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15:43:13 what? How does that even give you anything different from (mp-print-version)? 15:44:49 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs27127210.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 15:46:11 when I had (mp-print-versions) what would get called is (#:mp-print-versions) 15:46:18 -!- gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:47:13 PuffTheMagic: the asdf file is loaded before your application's package is defined. 15:47:35 actr6 doesnt define a package 15:47:38 just a system 15:48:07 and the asdf file is read in the same package as your actr6 thing? 15:48:42 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:48:50 not exactly sure what you mean by that 15:49:41 the asdf file is read with *package* bound to some package, and your software is as well. the two might or might not be the same. 15:49:44 NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has joined #lisp 15:51:46 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:51:52 in any case, you need to be aware of the fact that the asdf file is read before your software exists. in that situation, using some find-symbol/funcall trickery like what you do is the straightforward solution. 15:52:53 guess that explains why cl-postgress needed that too 15:53:18 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 15:53:25 PuffTheMagic: most of what you see in cl-postgress is done the way it is done because that is the way :) 15:55:49 -!- setmeaway [~setmeaway@119.201.52.168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56:12 setmeaway [stemearay@119.201.52.168] has joined #lisp 15:58:48 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:00:54 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-16-212.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:01:50 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:03:16 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-74-40.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 16:03:45 LiamH [~healy@pool-108-7-208-203.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:07:10 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:10:57 nydel [~jo@ip72-197-235-21.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:11:52 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:16:25 Hi everyone! 16:16:26 gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 16:18:19 hi!! 16:18:38 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:21:53 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:22:34 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-032-043.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:23:13 I have a good question, maybe. Almost everyone saw a reader macros. But how to define them? I definitely know that this is possible. Really, how? I want to write like this [symbol another symbol] or this #v(just a test)! I can't find a good tutorial or documentation about it. 16:23:55 c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 16:28:13 CLtL2? http://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node192.html 16:28:16 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:28:45 A google search for "lisp reader macro" returns some nice hits. 16:29:07 rtoym: I read some, they all seems to be incomplete. 16:29:25 How about http://dorophone.blogspot.com/2008/03/common-lisp-reader-macros-simple.html 16:29:29 zort-: Oh, that looks interesting. Nice. Thanks. 16:30:00 Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@178.115.251.206.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #lisp 16:30:16 -!- nydel [~jo@ip72-197-235-21.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:30:19 rtoym: I just read it. It's OK, but I prefer reading documentation pages about it. 16:30:20 Bike [~Glossina@63-229-128-245.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:31:06 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:32:01 ISF [~ivan@187.64.220.85] has joined #lisp 16:32:43 How about http://letoverlambda.com/index.cl/guest/chap4.html 16:33:16 sabra [~wol@67.174.222.215] has joined #lisp 16:35:55 rtyom: Oh, this looks better. Thank you. 16:36:05 rtoym* 16:37:13 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:37:43 -!- vwvwvwv [~vwvwvwv@adsl-75-51-66-181.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38:45 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:39:24 -!- Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@178.115.251.206.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has left #lisp 16:39:26 fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-101-227.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 16:39:45 <_tca> man its cold out s 16:39:45 Sorry, I couldn't find anything for its cold out s. 16:40:03 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:42:37 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 16:46:12 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:46:38 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-199-28.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:47:34 -!- jjkola [~jjkola@212-226-67-82-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:48:10 -!- vert2 [vert2@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-jhnzdgyncixukvwe] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:48:31 vert2 [vert2@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-vibtxoorwcwolzyq] has joined #lisp 16:49:05 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:50:26 -!- newcup [newcup@peruna.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:51:41 peterhil` [~peterhil@91-157-48-51.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 16:52:40 -!- fisxoj_ [~fisxoj@cpe-68-174-154-238.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:55:03 hitecnologys: Google is your friend 16:55:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:56:42 mmm: it's too rich to be my friend ;) 16:59:07 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:05:08 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:05:47 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 17:06:00 Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@77.117.247.27.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #lisp 17:06:19 -!- Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@77.117.247.27.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Client Quit] 17:06:44 mathrick_ [~mathrick@94.144.63.86] has joined #lisp 17:07:46 -!- mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:07:57 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-108-7-208-203.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:08:06 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:09:21 qptain_Nemo [~qN@81-235-52-30-no79.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 17:09:27 fisxoj_ [~fisxoj@cpe-68-174-154-238.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:09:48 pnpuff: =D 17:09:55 christophergonza [~user@c-67-160-209-64.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:10:12 Thank you, guys. Again. 17:10:54 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:10:55 -!- christophergonza [~user@c-67-160-209-64.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #lisp 17:12:47 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 17:14:25 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:15:19 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Quit: ] 17:16:54 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-60-84.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:17:09 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:17:14 -!- xan_ [~xan@18.111.91.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:18:29 -!- cpc26 [~user@fsf/member/cpc26] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:19:54 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:20:02 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:21:42 LiamH [~healy@pool-108-7-208-203.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:23:35 hi, do you guys use arnesi log utilities? is there any way to rotate files when they grow above certain size? 17:24:03 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:24:03 -!- paul0 [~user@186.222.48.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:24:04 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: Bye.] 17:24:09 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.140] has joined #lisp 17:26:23 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 17:27:19 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:27:45 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 17:29:06 -!- emma is now known as em 17:33:40 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:35:19 -!- NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:36:23 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:42:45 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:43:04 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:43:06 AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@99-136-83-34.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:44:37 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 17:45:08 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:45:10 -!- fourier [~fourier@fsf/member/fourier] has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:46:13 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 17:46:26 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:46:46 dnolen [~user@pool-108-54-21-53.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:47:31 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9] 17:48:25 bitonic [~user@027cae25.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 17:50:00 -!- AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@99-136-83-34.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:51:54 christophergonza [~user@c-67-160-209-64.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:53:35 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:56:28 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:58:49 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 18:00:32 yakov [~yakov@ip-83-149-3-57.nwgsm.ru] has joined #lisp 18:01:40 serichsen [~user@hmbg-4d06d0bc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 18:01:53 Good evening! 18:03:14 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:06:37 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:07:50 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 18:11:23 how come asdf:compile-system only loads the system if it compiles it 18:13:14 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:14:35 serichsen: Hi! 18:14:42 -!- RJ3000_ [~uid1@109.231.228.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:14:51 paul0 [~user@200.146.126.168.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 18:15:00 ioa [~xmike@dynamic2-248-005.usc.edu] has joined #lisp 18:16:11 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:21:03 -!- Daisy [Emhh@95.209.114.7.bredband.tre.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:22:42 -!- ISF [~ivan@187.64.220.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:22:58 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:25:49 ISF [~ivan@187.64.220.85] has joined #lisp 18:26:43 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:29:22 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:30:06 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-108-7-208-203.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:30:46 Daisy [~Daisy@94.191.149.111.bredband.tre.se] has joined #lisp 18:31:01 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:31:49 xan_ [~xan@dhcp-18-111-7-121.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #lisp 18:33:39 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:36:34 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:36:37 user123abc [~sally@c-67-171-79-251.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:38:18 answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has joined #lisp 18:42:17 -!- superflit [~superflit@75-171-196-125.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:42:42 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:45:18 LiamH [~healy@pool-108-7-208-203.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:46:25 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:46:55 jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has joined #lisp 18:48:28 EarlGray [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 18:52:25 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:53:28 derekv [~derekv@c-71-238-24-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:54:18 is there a lisp good for low level programming ala c (pointers etc) ? 18:55:36 yea...lisp. :P 18:55:43 you can have it generate asm 18:55:47 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.154.9] has joined #lisp 18:56:08 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:56:14 derekv: several implementations have pointers, like macptrs in ccl. 18:56:40 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Quit: ] 18:57:16 ace4016: just read this and I'm not really understanding it atm http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Address_of_a_variable#Common_Lisp 18:58:09 Bike: cool looking at ccl 18:59:09 actually I guess the original question I thought of was if there was a good language for teaching pointers and pointer arthimitic with a lower syntactic complexity than c/c++ 18:59:22 -!- mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59:42 m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.204.108] has joined #lisp 18:59:42 and less syntax makes me think lisp 18:59:45 stlifey [~stlifey@116.26.23.137] has joined #lisp 18:59:46 some simple assembly language? 19:00:06 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@116.26.23.137] has quit [Client Quit] 19:00:39 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 19:00:53 assembly for microcontrollers is usually as simple as you'll get 19:01:32 you can pick up something cheap like an avr or pic and try on those...but i guess that would involve obtaining hardware 19:02:18 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:03:23 Bike: yea I thought of that, it would be good in one respect but then harder to build out larger structures for the new programmer I think. Definatly has value though 19:04:28 GIVE ME SOME HOT LISP 19:04:41 -!- plantd is now known as theplanet 19:05:42 derekv: you could probably make a simple and useful macroassembler in lisp, something like sbcl vop generators. might be interesting for pedagogy. 19:05:53 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:06:30 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-101-227.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:06:56 -!- mpstyler [~mpstyler@176.73.151.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:08:22 Bike yea... one could probably without that much difficulty make a sort of high level assembler haveing some of the basic features of c 19:08:49 almost certainly this extists many times over already 19:10:29 -!- jasom [~aidenn@ip184-187-188-151.sb.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:11:11 *p_l* actually is doing a bit of work on macroassembler, but it might not be ready soon 19:11:29 RJ3000_ [~uid1@109.231.228.146] has joined #lisp 19:11:34 -!- 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it as an app from app store and I am using it with the cocoa interface how do I call ccl from the shell? I did read their docs but they talk about building it from source 20:07:56 fe[nl]ix: or so I understood it and is kinda confusing ? is the command line included in the app somewhere hidden perhaps ? :) 20:09:22 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:09:37 d3vnu11: The current App Store version can't be run in the shell (if you try, it'll start the GUI). It's a known issue: http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/ticket/956 20:09:59 fisxoj_ [~fisxoj@cpe-68-174-154-238.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:10:11 uhh six months ago 20:10:23 is there a command line version that one can load with ports or brew ? 20:10:32 would the two conflict somehow ? I guess no 20:10:35 sellout42: thanks :) 20:11:21 d3vnu11: just download it from clozure's website 20:12:19 p_l: doing it now thanks ..will this conflict with the app ? or will just eat double memory obviously if they run together but not conflict with each other ? 20:13:03 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:13:56 d3vnu11: Shouldn't conflict. 20:14:44 thanks 20:16:01 no conflict, but they are separate 20:16:13 the downloadable version can build itself the GUI part as well 20:16:26 has anyone compared memory usage between CCL and SBCL ? 20:16:30 e.g. to run a simple web app 20:16:40 I am sure it is not a big different but just curious if someone did 20:17:28 d3vnu11: CCL has rather lower memory use, but there are sometimes issues with libs (rare, and getting rarer). It also (in vanilla source, there were patches) doesn't run without threads iirc 20:18:42 well, base memory use. What happens once you load application data into the image is another story. 20:18:46 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:18:53 p_l: yes this is right well locally my app works with CCL so that's not an issue at the moment wasn't just sure if sbcl would be preferred or so but apparently not so yeah 20:19:00 my webapp under CCL is using ~9MB 20:19:02 pkhuong: yes clearly 20:19:11 axion: ah cool you are using ccl too :) 20:19:14 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.154.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:19:53 pkhuong: I found CCL to use less memory afterwards as well, but I didn't do extensive tests 20:21:47 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:22:06 p_l: you have to design the application for it, but SBCL has more extensive support for unboxed storage, especially on vectors. 20:22:47 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:25:05 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-61-220.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 20:26:02 pkhuong: interesting 20:26:33 pkhuong: btw, is there a way to mmap() something and "pack" it into SBCL-recognizable type? 20:26:45 p_l: yes. 20:26:48 i.e. add apropriate header in front, things like that 20:27:02 good. Been thinking of some fun experiments in that area 20:27:03 just do it. jsnell has some code. static vector might be useful for inspiration. 20:27:12 -!- Borbus_ is now known as Borbus 20:27:48 I was thinking of making read-only stuff that could be mmaped in and shared between multiple instances 20:27:52 -!- yakov [~yakov@ip-83-149-3-57.nwgsm.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:28:03 you'll need to pre-allocate space for the header, or use mmaping tricks that probably work everywhere except openbsd and maybe windows. 20:28:42 you could also just tenure that data and let the OS's VM management do its job. 20:29:11 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:30:17 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 20:30:26 -!- fisxoj_ [~fisxoj@cpe-68-174-154-238.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:32:10 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:32:21 riccardo [~riccardo@host220-90-dynamic.251-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 20:32:30 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Quit: http://www.cyphase.com/] 20:32:41 pkhuong: disk-loaded, possibly from slightly differing processes 20:32:52 if it were a case of load-then-fork, it would have been fine 20:33:32 other case would depend on KSM and that little modification on per-page sample would be 20:34:22 -!- NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:37:56 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:41:37 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:44:34 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 20:44:59 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 20:47:45 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [] 20:47:56 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:49:54 lcc [~lcc@71-32-105-113.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:50:36 -!- lcc [~lcc@71-32-105-113.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:51:05 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:51:30 -!- riccardo [~riccardo@host220-90-dynamic.251-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Sto andando via] 20:51:36 lcc [~lcc@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #lisp 20:51:37 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 20:54:18 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@CPE-124-184-0-174.lns10.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:57:23 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@110.151.240.31] has joined #lisp 20:57:31 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:58:22 balle [~balle@xdsl-188-155-209-1.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 21:00:23 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:00:36 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@110.151.240.31] has quit [Client Quit] 21:00:50 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9] 21:01:18 hi all! is there a common lisp for an armv7 processor? 21:01:43 balle: Clozure CL 21:04:08 great thats also supported by emacs slime :) 21:04:52 superflit [~superflit@75-171-244-191.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:05:25 balle: Indeed :) 21:05:38 -!- noogenesis is now known as derekv 21:05:43 Natch_r [~Natch@c-1dcce155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 21:06:30 now i only need to find a way to compile it on my open pandora than i can learn lisp while going by train yeeeha 21:07:01 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 21:07:05 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:08:36 -!- Natch [~Natch@c-1dcce155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:08:37 -!- Natch_r is now known as Natch 21:09:27 god dammit i'm interested in clozure now 21:09:33 lol :) 21:09:42 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:12:00 and i only wanted to learn lisp because of elisp but now i really enjoy that REPL-way of interactive incremental programming 21:12:20 REPL? Are you using SLIME, at least? 21:12:22 C-c C-c :) 21:12:26 felipe [~felipe@unaffiliated/felipe] has joined #lisp 21:12:27 yep 21:12:50 :) 21:15:02 pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 21:16:21 rswarbrick [~rswarbric@cpc1-cove3-0-0-cust941.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 21:16:33 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:18:43 -!- lolprog [~let@94-225-44-126.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:20:21 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:21:00 have you seen "lighttable" 21:21:21 knob [~knob@66-50-90-150.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 21:21:37 Hello... what is the typical (if any) extension given to lisp programs? 21:21:45 Is is program01.lisp ? 21:21:59 I know it's not necessary... would just like to start off with the correct "best practices" 21:22:15 knob: Yep. 21:22:18 <|3b|> common lisp source usually uses the .lisp extension 21:22:41 Nice =) 21:22:42 Thanks 21:22:42 doomlord, yes http://emacswiki.org/emacs/LightTable ;) 21:23:00 looks pretty interesting to me. 21:26:41 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:27:14 -!- ferada [~ferada@dslb-088-069-032-181.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:29:42 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:34:40 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 21:34:47 balle: so you actually *got* a pandora. congratz. 21:34:58 <-- preorderer from july 2009 -_- 21:35:52 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:36:16 What's "a pandora"? 21:36:26 openpandora.org 21:36:42 on my way.. thxs 21:37:11 -!- jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:37:33 wow... that thing looks... nifty! 21:37:51 Bluetooth! WiFi!!! 21:38:03 If I can hook that up to my cellphone... I could connect to my servers. 21:38:07 That thing looks nice 21:38:51 theoretically you might be able to stuff a hsdpa chip inside the case but I'm not sure if anyone tried it. 21:38:55 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:39:22 now plz buy one so they can fund producing my unit which I paid for 3 years ago ;) 21:39:37 all it takes is a modem and apropriate connection lines + software 21:39:55 And a license if you are transmitting. 21:39:56 yep, + a little space. 21:40:11 lol... looks pretty nifty! 21:40:17 -!- c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:40:20 rtoym: license is covered by manufacturer of the modem if you get a finished one 21:40:22 Not a gamer... yet I like the keyboard thingy 21:40:31 and the provider whose network you're using 21:41:02 situations where you need your own license is when you work with custom radio firmware or use your own BTS :) 21:41:09 knob: don't forget to visit the forums for some good preordering customers rage, that's essential part of the pandora experience. 21:42:08 lide, yes and i really really love it! my girlfriend too btw 21:42:24 p_l: He just said a chip. Not clear if that's a complete solution or not. I can imagine operators keeping you off their network if they don't recognize your IMEI or whatever. 21:42:28 I'm actually trying to get started with game development and I was intending to target the pandora too -_- oh well, maybe I get the unit in about... 2 months. 21:42:32 its great for gaming, net stuff and programming / writing 21:42:40 balle: good for you... *grinds teeth* 21:42:56 haha... I already saw 2 or 3 threads. 21:43:10 rtoym: no, operators use the sim card for authentication 21:43:12 I would doubt they do it on purpose.... yet stil... people want what they paid for 21:43:28 they're not malicious, they were just idiots. 21:43:40 yeh 21:43:56 What if they start a kickstarter,... so they can get even more $? 21:44:17 rtoym: a bit of fiddling and you should be able to fit a modem, the only problem is if you want voice as well, then you need to find one that will have proper firmware for it and connect the in and out audio lines 21:44:33 there was talk about it but I dunno about the specifics or conditions 21:44:48 p_l: Yes, but they use other info too. That's how my carrier figured I was using a smartphone, without paying for a data plan. (I had a basic $/MB data plan.) 21:45:27 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:45:45 Who sells just one hsdpa chip anyway? 21:46:03 rtoym: ... not my fault you had a plan from dickhead provider 21:46:24 also, you don't want to buy a chip, you want to take apart a small HSDPA modem :) 21:46:32 (like one of those USB ones 21:46:32 -!- Posterdati [~quassel@host45-237-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:46:33 oh I hate to order something and wait 21:46:33 ) 21:46:50 why can't they make a batch and sell it when it is in stock beats me.... 21:47:08 even if they want to have the cash first 2 years is just incredible 21:48:01 p_l: That's different. And simpler. And a dataplan ended up saving me money because the data I used on $/MB would have been more. 21:48:35 d3vnu11: https://www.dragonbox.de/en/27-main-consoles-and-upgrades 21:48:52 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:49:23 Posterdati [~quassel@host45-237-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 21:49:29 lide: http://boards.openpandora.org/index.php?/topic/9027-please-help-me-order-still-not-processed/ I mean WTF ? 21:49:57 2 years is too much even if you build your own components from scratch ;) 21:50:23 d3vnu11: lol. that's how the british guy rolls. 21:50:29 lide: thanks I saw that but I wouldn't order if is not in stock :) 21:50:47 lide: plus imho they treated the client like shit in the forum LOL 21:50:48 rtoym: ok, so they basically got flagged due to different usage pattern and suggested a better fitting plan. Sounds good. I'm just used to certain providers (mainly in USA, though 3 in UK does the same) being massive dicks 21:50:59 the german guy has them in stock. too bad I ordered mine not from him but this other guy, who has failed to get his shit together and deliver the units. 21:51:02 lide: like "wait for the better one" smoke bomb + or ask for a refund which never comes 21:51:04 WHAT 2 YEARS and still no pandora? we got ours after 4 or 5 months 21:51:15 in january 2012 iirc 21:51:33 balle: yes because you jumped the queue :) 21:51:49 sometime ago I ordered this http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64.aspx and had a similar experience 21:52:08 no reply to the emails etc... or I got some replies from the owner was like telling me WTF wait in line blah blah 21:52:14 n00b question: I just installed the clisp port on a FreeBSD machine I have. How do I start using it? I have emacs installed... yet, do I have to mod the emacs startup file in order for it to lead clisp? 21:52:17 I did hit him with a paypal refund so I got my money back 21:52:18 lide, is it a LIFO? ^^ 21:52:29 the old preorderers such as myself put the money in early and are still waiting, people who came after that paid a minute amount more and got their toy sooner or later (depending on at which point exactly they entered this retarded scheme) 21:52:34 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:52:36 balle: :D 21:52:49 balle: in a way yes. depends on when you entered. you got lucky man. 21:53:28 knob: I think you should just launch the REPL with clisp in console to start it ..but of course some people might be better positioned to tell you how to use slime as I don't use it but just to run clisp well clisp in console/terminal 21:53:33 i dont understand their algorythm 21:53:57 balle: they basically ran out of money because there were a lot of problems with chinese case manufacturers and some american pcb producing company that produced shitty boards that had an incredibly high fail rate etc. 21:54:13 balle: and now they need to sell more pandoras to fund the first ones :D 21:54:15 balle: well may be the business model is sell it the many ppl will give up and there is your profit :) 21:54:31 balle: and if that sounds like a pyramid scheme, you're not the first one to suggest that ;) 21:54:34 ah well if they had problems I am sorry for them 21:54:37 d3vnu11... thanks... on my way 21:54:47 I tried to install SLIME... yet I don't even know what the heck I did to the machine 21:54:51 I made a mess. 21:54:53 knob: and from there you should first install quicklisp you have it ? 21:55:03 No... haven't installed quicklisp 21:55:16 should it be in /usr/ports/lang/quicklisp? on my way to check it out 21:55:18 -!- mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:55:32 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 21:55:34 knob: http://www.quicklisp.org/beta/ from here you download it 21:55:40 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:55:47 thanks 21:55:51 Is it needed to run clisp? 21:56:24 knob: then you do like the command in clisp..first you start clips then (load "......//...quicklisp.lisp" 21:56:35 ohhh... ok ok 21:57:33 Ok... more n00b questions: clisp loaded from the terminal. Does quicklisp provide ease of use? Just wondering 21:57:36 -!- _d3f [~d3f@46.183.216.234] has quit [Quit: _d3f] 21:57:36 knob: then you just run through the instructions on the quicklisp page just substitute sbcl with clisp as you don't use sbcl 21:57:53 Ahh... that had me in doubt. ok ok 21:57:56 knob: I am also fairly new in lisp (so others might give you more input) but without quicklisp is a mess 21:58:22 knob: is like gems in ruby or ports in freebsd ...without ports you have to do all manually I guess? same without quicklisp :P 21:58:22 Ok, then I'll get it. I seem to be an expert in making messes inside BSD machines 21:58:25 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:58:33 10-4 21:59:25 I would order a pandora but I would email him first to see if he has it and if he swears he has one ready why not :) 22:00:14 -!- moore33 [~moore@ABordeaux-153-1-12-129.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:03:49 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 22:03:52 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-139-227.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:04:56 d3vnu11: evildragon is actually a nice guy, he's trying to fix things. if you ask him whether he has units in stock, he will not lie. 22:05:08 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:05:26 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:05:44 -!- rswarbrick [~rswarbric@cpc1-cove3-0-0-cust941.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:05:46 lide: will so ..sure I didn't doubt their sincerity lol just felt the pain for these waiting so long really..2 years is like record stuff 22:06:04 d3vnu11: I am considering moving my order over to him, but I would need to pay extra... because I got in early and the price has gone up 22:06:23 d3vnu11: 2 years? try 3. I paid for mine in july 2009. 22:06:35 lide: still extra might be better than none 22:06:49 lide: I think they are very lucky.. to have people so patient as clients 22:06:52 d3vnu11: some people paid in october 2008 or so and are still waiting. 22:06:58 d3vnu11: indeed. 22:07:01 lide: problem with such a long delay is that no cc company will refund you ever. 22:07:46 lide: 3 years gee imagine ordering an iphone 3s back then and getting it now o_O 22:07:54 :P 22:08:26 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:08:48 lide: they should give you one free not make you pay extra :P 22:09:35 maybe if I get some surprise ca$h from somewhere somehow in near future I'll get a 1GHz unit from the german guy. I'm really really fucking bored of waiting -_- I even lost interest a few times during these years, and then rediscovered it 22:09:46 d3vnu11: hear hear ;) 22:10:19 lide: if I order something online and it takes over a week I lose interest the only hope for 3 years would be forgetting it 22:10:33 lide: you should fight and get it ! shame on them :P 22:10:41 d3vnu11: yeah well being able to forget has been absolutely essential 22:11:10 perhaps you can even run a full web server on it 22:11:12 :D 22:11:25 d3vnu11: I even paid 10eur extra for "dev fund", I bet the guy just drank it. 22:11:30 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-238-039.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:11:47 lide: lol @ drunk it 22:14:15 -!- knob [~knob@66-50-90-150.prtc.net] has quit [] 22:14:28 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:17:32 anyway... I don't know the specifics of their lives. and the developers really got screwed over by other companies, namely "Circuit Co" or something, and some chinese plastic case molders. they have now moved the production to germany. 22:18:08 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:18:34 the chinese pissed me off the most during these years. it was obvious they were just fucking around taking advantage of funny westerners, probably screaming "we no speak engrish!" and laughing in their face 22:19:17 lide: but really no one pre pays anything in china 22:19:29 lide: because all do know that unless you are apple you do great screwed 22:19:29 + the project has been extremely stressful for the devs. so... I wish this all would just come to end :D 22:20:03 lide: like would you prepay 1000 or 10000 or 20000 to someone in china? I wouldn't ! 22:20:14 d3vnu11: the devs were super naive (read: stupid stupid stupid) and didn't really have a clue about how things work around where 22:20:37 d3vnu11: basically just a bunch of nerds with determination 22:20:46 lide: okay but you can't be stupid with other ppl money like if I have my own money and want to trash them OK or take a risk but with other ppl money I would be careful 22:21:00 d3vnu11: you're absolutely right. 22:21:03 lide: yes I see your point and I can understand that they meant well but were unlucky 22:21:25 lide: but then they should come to you /others and say hey this is what happened we have a loss of x $ and now we will pay it back... 22:21:30 lide: something like that :) 22:22:10 lide: this is a bit like kickstarter I don't really like it ..I mean the idea is noble and smart but too many times ppl don't produce it and bring in production difficulties like the issue 22:23:00 lide: I bet we could all come up with a fantastic alternative to the iphone in a dummy prototype..... kickstart it and then say "oh actually we can't build the phone to be transparent yet and with AI embedded on it but ...we will let you know when we can :) greetings from the bermuda" 22:23:01 d3vnu11: it was kind of a community project. I mean I personally considered it a risk investment on my part. they would not be making profit on the first batch. now they're producing the second and I don't know how long still until they start making money. 22:23:04 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: this computer sucks] 22:23:25 d3vnu11: lollol 22:23:49 lide: yes clearly they meant well and didn't go well... which is very often the case when you start something :( 22:24:04 yepyep 22:24:14 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:24:44 still shipping the new orders and not the old *is* a slap in the face 22:24:55 stupid nerds... ;p they should've done their homework and not work on baseless assumptions and naive mindset. 22:25:01 d3vnu11: tell me about it. 22:26:16 lide: not to mention that if the business doesn't go well support will be dead too in no time 22:26:30 I mean don't get me wrong ain't blaming them for trying 22:26:39 but still if you ask for money before you need to know what you are doing 22:27:02 indeed. 22:27:03 ppl work hard for the money etc. and is not like is a 50$ product or so that you say whatever is kinda pricey 22:27:10 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:27:27 but from the forums it looks like the UK guy is a black hole the German seems more sincere 22:27:34 at least he does some random shippings 22:27:58 I'm poor as fuck and have been on the verge of getting a refund but the longer you're in... 22:28:10 d3vnu11: yes that's the right interpretation 22:28:36 lide: i fear it would be harder to get a refund than the pandora but is just a feeling 22:28:39 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 22:28:49 -!- Starkey [~starkey@c-75-71-239-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:29:00 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29:09 lide: how much you paid for it ? 22:29:44 d3vnu11: actually the UK guy has paid the refunds, I'm not sure if he was threatened with legal action before doing so and how he acquired the money but he's been forced to return quite a lot of the old preorder payments 22:29:47 it seems nice thou I bet you can run a lot of lisp stuff on it :) 22:29:59 d3vnu11: hmm... ca. 380eur total iirc 22:30:12 lide: well no risk to ask ? then you can order in germany 22:30:19 d3vnu11: yes I'm looking forward to developing a touhou style game ;) 22:30:27 lide: or tell him where is my pandora plz ? 22:30:45 I would write a script to email him like... 22:30:47 every minute? 22:31:08 d3vnu11: the UK guy made some public announcement on the forums that his old preorderers would be getting an e-mail describing the situation or some bullshit like that, but I'm not counting on it :D gonna wait a few more days still. 22:31:32 lide: yeah I feel your pain..I hate these explanatory emails. 22:31:38 d3vnu11: also I can't currently even afford the extra payment to move my order to the german guy so I could get it instantly ;p 22:31:44 lide: lot of smoke bombs for nothing 22:32:13 lide: ah sorry to hear that...are you a student or tough job market ? 22:32:56 d3vnu11: also, the UK guy was the one that actually did all the hyping-up BS during the years, you know there's an inside joke about the "2 months" ETA. yes, it was ALWAYS two fucking months. back in july 2009 I made the money transaction thinking "2 months... I can wait" 22:33:13 -!- dnolen [~user@pool-108-54-21-53.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:33:17 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m90-141-58-142.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 22:33:34 d3vnu11: yeah student + my student support money was canceled because of lame shit 22:33:37 Good night! 22:33:43 -!- serichsen [~user@hmbg-4d06d0bc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:33:59 aww lide sorry to hear that 22:34:03 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:34:35 it's no big deal :P just hate the fucking bureaucrats 22:34:55 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.34.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:35:10 lide: did you ever do anything in lisp web or well lisp for web apps ? 22:35:24 nah I'm a complete noob in it 22:35:43 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-199-28.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:35:53 I have spent the couple last weeks setting up my linux desktop but I keep switching between projects and tasks 22:35:54 lide ah okay no problem :) I had some ideas to give sponsor some tutorials so that is why I asked 22:37:17 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:37:35 lide: think positive better times will come ! 22:37:37 I'm mostly interested in game programming but have also general theoretical interest 22:37:49 -!- Daisy [~Daisy@94.191.149.111.bredband.tre.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:38:06 d3vnu11: yeah, only 2 months more :) 22:38:45 lide: lol @ two months 22:40:26 -!- user123abc [~sally@c-67-171-79-251.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:42:03 Daisy [~Daisy@109.58.5.3.bredband.tre.se] has joined #lisp 22:43:44 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:46:18 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:46:50 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 22:52:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:53:07 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:53:45 -!- [SLB] is now known as [SLB]` 22:55:10 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:58:07 -!- Daisy [~Daisy@109.58.5.3.bredband.tre.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:59:04 acml [~user@92.45.155.252] has joined #lisp 23:01:16 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:03:56 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:04:06 Daisy [~Daisy@109.58.28.248.bredband.tre.se] has joined #lisp 23:05:04 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-209-251.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:06:06 -!- xan_ [~xan@dhcp-18-111-7-121.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:06:29 -!- xpoqz [~xpoqz@203.80-203-124.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:07:12 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:08:22 -!- zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@catv-89-132-196-182.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Changing host] 23:08:22 zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has joined #lisp 23:10:42 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.204.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:10:51 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:12:40 -!- acml [~user@92.45.155.252] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:40 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:14:43 daniel3 [~daniel@201.209.38.229] has joined #lisp 23:17:17 -!- daniel3 [~daniel@201.209.38.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:17:39 daniel3 [~daniel@201.209.38.229] has joined #lisp 23:18:25 -!- daniel3 is now known as ANDRES1 23:20:01 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:20:08 -!- bitonic [~user@027cae25.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:22:24 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:29:17 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:32:00 dotemacs_ [u801@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ndubgymfwugnjprd] has joined #lisp 23:32:24 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:32:42 I need to write an expect-style program that sends AT commands to the serial port and does something/sends other commands depending on the replies. What functions/libraries would you suggest I use for reading/writing to the port (will be using sbcl). 23:32:52 -!- dotemacs_ is now known as dotemacs 23:34:38 Can I just simply read bytes from the character device? Will they stay there until I read them? :) 23:36:44 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3549957/serial-port-communication-in-common-lisp  found this, looks hairy. 23:39:03 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:39:45 antoszka: you could try git://gitorious.org/~marsijanin/iolib/marsijanins-iolib.git 23:39:53 -!- deadghost [~deadghost@71-84-68-72.dhcp.rvsd.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:40:04 antoszka: he added support for serial ports to an old version of iolib 23:40:12 you could try to see if it works with current HEAD 23:40:19 fe[nl]ix: Thanks. 23:41:04 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 23:42:29 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:43:05 Hm.. Can't find anything serial-port-related in that checkout. 23:43:25 http://ryepup.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2009/09/28/talking-usb-serial-to-my-arduino-from-lisp-sbcl-on-linux/  also that, very basic with stty. Would probably suit me fine. 23:43:47 Not sure about buffers though, whether flushing output will be necessary. 23:45:55 antoszka: there's a branch named "serial" 23:46:16 p_l: No, I think they just wanted to screw me by making me switch. Before, I wasn't using enough data to make it worthwhile. 23:46:40 antoszka: https://github.com/ryepup/arduino-experiments/blob/master/src/serial.lisp <--- seems legit 23:46:43 rtoym: heh 23:47:40 antoszka: it seems rather feature complete. Hairy, but that's because it seems to set up all the lowlevel stuff and pack it into nice, standard I/O stream 23:47:44 -!- punee [~punee@213-245-106-105.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Quit: punee] 23:48:07 deadghost [~deadghost@71-84-68-72.dhcp.rvsd.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 23:48:46 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:51:19 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:52:09 p_l: Thx, too. 23:53:44 LiamH [~healy@pool-108-7-208-203.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:57:54 -!- otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:58:16 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]