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00:21:28 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 00:21:43 doomlord: read the CLHS, it's good, and infinitely better than flailing around. 00:21:48 -!- Vianny [~canaima@200.8.52.189] has left #lisp 00:22:18 -!- vwvwvwv [~vwvwvwv@adsl-75-51-65-9.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:22:34 I notice lisppaste seems to have been wiped -- anyone know if the content will be coming back? 00:22:36 -!- [SLB] is now known as [SLB]` 00:22:45 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 00:22:45 doomlord: in the meantime, (typep (make-array 4 :element-type 'float) '(simple-array float (4))) => T 00:22:51 -!- Angeliica [~Angelica@201.243.152.205] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:23:07 is there an archive somewhere? 00:23:13 -!- Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has quit [Quit: weil das Wetter so schön ist] 00:23:34 seems like a tragic loss if not... 00:23:55 danlentz: a few people put up tarballs in the last few days, there's some intent to restore pastes I think. check the logs 00:24:43 tar balls excellent thanks 00:25:34 ah make-array with appropriate parameters makes one, ok 00:27:06 Jubb [~ghost@pool-108-28-0-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:28:44 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:30:14 gigamonkey_ [~gigamonke@adsl-99-2-151-194.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:30:23 -!- booguie [~booguie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:31:12 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 00:31:14 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-76-254-22-55.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:31:15 -!- gigamonkey_ is now known as gigamonkey 00:32:06 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:32:59 tali713` [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:33:38 -!- tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36:10 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 00:37:20 -!- kjbrock [~user@63.110.51.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:37:49 is cl-ppcre included by default? 00:38:01 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:38:13 Included with what? 00:39:35 (ql:quickload :cl-ppcre) 00:39:46 vwvwvwv [~vwvwvwv@adsl-75-51-65-9.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:39:48 -!- guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: The Sleeper has Aquitten] 00:39:51 thanks kennyd 00:40:38 hugod [~user@70.24.177.33] has joined #lisp 00:41:13 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 00:41:19 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 00:41:34 I guess quickload isn't available on here, either 00:41:35 ugh 00:48:02 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:48:24 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.202.175] has joined #lisp 00:48:45 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@81-235-52-30-no79.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:49:51 qptain_Nemo [~qN@81-235-52-30-no79.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 00:51:21 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 00:51:30 -!- mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:51:55 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:52:07 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 00:52:20 cryptic: so install quicklisp? 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01:58:13 Hehe, from the arnesi page, "cps transformer - an ad-hoc, bug ridden implementation of half of call/cc." 01:59:21 p_l: a+ is maintained by someone 02:00:02 Xach: ach 02:00:30 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 02:00:44 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 02:00:55 so basically, arnesi is the legacy package, arnesi+ is maintained one? 9 02:01:13 -!- mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:48 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 02:02:53 I guess so 02:03:23 thanks. 02:03:51 just noticed arnesi+ in my irregular walk of the quicklisp distro and been wondering what exactly happened 02:06:44 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:09:43 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 02:10:25 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:11:50 jbaker19 [~joshua@c-98-233-111-131.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:12:10 Good evening! Any other noobs working through PCL at the moment? 02:16:20 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:18:49 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 02:24:17 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 02:25:28 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:28:24 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 02:30:12 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-47-50.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:34:52 I am 02:34:58 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:35:06 jbaker19: I am right now :) 02:35:36 FizzixNerd: Cool! How far in are you, and what platform are you using? 02:36:23 jbaker19: I am currently on the portable pathname library thingy. I have stopped working through it directly at the moment, as I have been writing a little bit of toy editor code. I use SBCL. 02:37:39 FizzixNerd: I am on the unit test practical, using ccl. So you're making a toy text editor? 02:38:14 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:38:24 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 02:40:07 jbaker19: At the moment, yes. I'm using the cl-charms package to get access to ncurses. Right now I'm wasting time trying to write macros and implement a rope data structure for holding the buffer text 02:40:46 FizzixNerd: a rope data structure? 02:41:48 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope_%28computer_science%29 02:43:13 jbaker19: above line was for you; sorry, forgot to name you 02:43:41 FizzixNerd: I'm tracking 02:45:08 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@c-76-117-5-156.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 02:45:15 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:46:30 FizzixNerd: Oooh. That looks cool 02:47:38 jbaker19: It's fun :) 02:48:23 FizzixNerd: So how did you come up with the desire to make a toy editor in particular? 02:48:27 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 02:50:20 rickardg [~user@c-96a0e355.026-29-73746f4.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 02:50:22 jbaker19: Mostly because I like emacs and because I wanted to try something that could start small but grow larger and more complex 02:50:29 -!- d3vnu11 [~devnull@174-30.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:51:15 i had the same urge but stopped mysefl 02:51:40 hohum_ [dcorbe@apollo.corbe.net] has joined #lisp 02:51:44 gigamonkey_ [~gigamonke@adsl-99-24-221-158.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:51:49 FizzixNerd: that seems like quite a sound way to start actually... 02:52:14 doomlord: It's been an enlightening experience. I've had to learn how to user asdf, git, cl-charms, packages, etc 02:52:43 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-2-151-194.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:52:43 -!- gigamonkey_ is now known as gigamonkey 02:52:50 FizzixNerd: so you didn't get exposed to asdf and packages in PCL? 02:53:15 FizzixNerd: seen http://common-lisp.net/project/flexichain/? 02:53:16 vwvwvwv [~vwvwvwv@adsl-75-51-65-9.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:53:28 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 02:53:31 emacs is a C program at heart isn't it; 02:54:24 jbaker19: I know packages are in PCL, but that are quite late in the book. I found that there are very few practical things between the first unit test thing and the 1000 things at the end of the book 02:54:36 -!- rickardg [~user@c-96a0e355.026-29-73746f4.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:54:42 FIzzixNerd: what does this editor of yours resemble 02:55:16 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:55:19 doomlord: it will resemble emacs. Right now, it resembles half an implementation of ropes and some movement code using charms 02:55:24 Bike: checking now 02:55:59 is it going to have lisp-editing features inbuilt (parenthesis balancing / perhaps highlighting.. ) 02:56:06 I think I'm going to follow along the ray tracer tutorial on youtube 02:56:52 doomlord: interesting question. In my experience, I get bored with projects before they becoming actually useful. However, I can say that in my MIND, yes it will have those things 02:57:04 doomlord: the whole point of an emacs-like editor is that you don't need to have much of anything "inbuilt" 02:57:08 doomlord: In my mind, it's also going to run elisp code though 02:57:24 FizzixNerd: it's part of the whole climacs project, of course 02:57:49 you should differentiate it by being Common Lisp all the way through perhaps 02:58:06 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 02:58:11 Bike: I see that. I felt like implementing the ropes myself, to practice the language in an ADT/algorithmic setting 02:58:37 doomlord: I prefer practicality over purity 02:59:02 practicality: one lisp dialect throughout :) also you're adding more to the world by trying another combination 02:59:05 FizzixNerd: sure. just thought you should know. 02:59:37 Bike: Thank you. I'm glad that I do know. Gives me a place to compare code and ideas. 03:00:05 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178025755.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:00:06 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.135.192] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:00:06 -!- zbigniew [~zb@2600:3c02:e000:3::8] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:00:06 -!- sshirokov [sshirokov@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:00:06 -!- sbryant [freenode@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:00:06 -!- CrazyEddy [~equaeval@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:00:06 -!- hohum [dcorbe@apollo.corbe.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:00:06 -!- gensym [~tg@85.158.178.76] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:00:06 -!- srcerer [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:00:06 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:00:06 -!- aerique [310225@xs8.xs4all.nl] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:00:06 -!- joshe [~joshe@opal.elsasser.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:00:06 -!- Netfeed [~netfeed@cinch/fan/netfeed] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:00:06 -!- cYmen [~cymen@squint.a-oben.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:00:06 -!- sepisult1um [r577nypyfs@213.251.184.143] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:00:06 -!- Yahovah_ [yann@orion.pi.edu.pk] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:00:34 is CLOS of interest in building such a thing and providing extentions 03:00:43 i dont thing elisp has CLOS does it 03:00:55 It does not. 03:00:58 MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-2-116-150.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 03:01:21 There's a CL implementation of emacs called Hemlock I think 03:01:31 Climacs too. 03:02:27 kjbrock [~user@173-11-106-198-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 03:03:19 Yeah, I'm definately not going for an original idea :) 03:03:23 -!- benny [~user@i577A7C6C.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:03:42 Of course, neither of them are widely used, so it's not like it's an unfilled possible niche. 03:03:54 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-116-150.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:04:05 daniel1 [~daniel@201.209.38.229] has joined #lisp 03:04:24 -!- daniel1 [~daniel@201.209.38.229] has left #lisp 03:05:08 is elisp closer to CL or scheme, out of interest 03:05:16 Interesting. It seems everyone uses a gap buffer for editing text. I'm sure I'll find out the hard way that ropes -- although beautiful in principle -- are not the best way of doing things :D 03:05:25 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:05:32 sepisult1um [r577nypyfs@213.251.184.143] has joined #lisp 03:05:32 gensym [~tg@85.158.178.76] has joined #lisp 03:05:32 Netfeed [~netfeed@cinch/fan/netfeed] has joined #lisp 03:05:32 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:05:32 aerique [310225@xs8.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 03:05:32 joshe [~joshe@opal.elsasser.org] has joined #lisp 03:05:32 cYmen [~cymen@squint.a-oben.org] has joined #lisp 03:05:32 Yahovah_ [yann@orion.pi.edu.pk] has joined #lisp 03:05:44 -!- vwvwvwv [~vwvwvwv@adsl-75-51-65-9.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 03:05:54 doomlord: elisp and CL both share a common root in MacLisp, afaiu 03:06:28 Scheme has been kind of its own thing since the 70s, but Common Lisp took Scheme's lexical scoping. 03:06:58 FizzixNerd: http://www.finseth.com/craft/ also 03:07:57 vwvwvwv [~vwvwvwv@adsl-75-51-65-9.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:08:00 Bike: Appreciated. Bookmarking. 03:08:15 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 03:08:18 *Xach* gets sad about dan weinreb, lisp emacs hacker 03:09:14 anyone here done things like BSP generators in lisp 03:09:44 Xach: someone retweeted a Lispjob at ITA and it made me ): 03:10:12 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-24-221-158.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:10:43 minion: what does BSP stand for? 03:10:43 Would you /please/ stop playing with me? 3 messages in 21 seconds is too many. 03:10:56 :| 03:11:38 binary space partition tree 03:12:44 *Xach* fondly remembers being a doom nerd before being a gimp nerd and then a lisp nerd 03:13:43 doomlord: there's a 3d game engine in lisp, "blackthorn". might include bsps 03:13:58 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:14:09 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-47-50.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 03:14:38 Bike: blackthorn does 3d? 03:14:38 -!- lggr 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otherwise pull from cache on key (concat sym1 sym1) 06:44:27 if that makes sense 06:44:32 rickardg [~user@c-96a0e355.026-29-73746f4.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 06:44:54 so id like the hash lookup to be really fast (ie not have to do #'equal on a list (sym1 sym2) 06:44:58 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 06:46:06 you think string concatenation is going to be faster than two eq tests and barely any list traversal? 06:46:40 hmm 06:46:47 guess i didnt think about that 06:47:13 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-139-227.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:47:25 so do you think the best way would be to just do (list sym1 sym2) and :test #'equal in the hash table? 06:47:45 sure. premature microoptimization is the root of all evil, etc 06:47:50 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 06:48:16 well, i profiled with the string oncat and its the slowest function in my app ;-] 06:48:20 *concat 06:48:50 lusory 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a look 08:45:29 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 08:45:34 Hi Tim 08:45:52 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.202.175] has quit [Client Quit] 08:46:35 idurand: for templating you can output html using sexpressions with cl-who or sexml, or you can use more traditional templating libraries like html-template or closure-template, I like sexml and closure-template. 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mighty have fallen... 14:07:02 Perhaps you should use (safely:non-consing-null-pointer) 14:07:11 Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.23.11.214] has joined #lisp 14:07:34 I mean, a lot of fine properties are not specified, so you should document your expectations in your sources. 14:07:47 -!- paul0 [~user@186.222.48.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:07:52 payforit [9902f71f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.153.2.247.31] has joined #lisp 14:08:16 francisl [~flavoie@199.84.162.167] has joined #lisp 14:09:14 pjb: Good point, though I am interested in the answer to my original question, if anyone who knows the implementation of SAPs is around. 14:09:28 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 14:09:30 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:09:44 (time (cffi:null-pointer))? 14:09:59 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-196-49.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:10:15 (disassemble (lambda () (cffi:null-pointer)))? 14:10:37 Just 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Wiki says that lisp machines used something like assembler that was optimized for compiled lisp code. Is this true? 15:25:12 Yes. 15:25:26 billitch [~billitch@bastille.ma3.tv] has joined #lisp 15:25:30 That is, they had an assembly language. 15:25:54 hitecnologys: lisp machines executed lisp code as directly as x86. Less so, arguably, depending on your stance on microcoding. 15:27:02 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:27:44 I used to think that lisp machines used lists of lisp operators, not single assembly language instructions. 15:27:57 Nope. 15:28:19 perhaps asembler was the compiler! 15:30:08 Why didn't they used lists? 15:30:13 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.34.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:30:30 hitecnologys: Think about it for a sec :) 15:30:53 How would you do a branch? 15:31:32 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:31:32 moore33: there was a (TR-?) 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