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certain hunchentoot functions? the docs say the non-asterisk versions are for people subclassing request or reply, but i don't understand the need for two names... 02:55:32 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:55:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:56:53 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 02:57:23 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-157-60.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:57:56 -!- superflit [~superflit@65-128-64-24.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:57:57 rdd [~rdd@c83-250-157-60.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 02:58:52 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 03:00:15 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has joined #lisp 03:00:37 -!- benny [~user@i577A7BFC.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:00:45 -!- Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has quit [Quit: (quit :reason 'sleep)] 03:05:29 jleija 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of the function, and yes, where "closest" means the most specific lexically. 03:43:58 gotcha 03:44:11 aslan69 [~aslan69@c-75-71-21-183.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:44:23 rdd [~rdd@c83-250-157-60.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 03:44:48 I don't really see the utility in named blocks (other than breaking out from deep within nested loops) but I haven't been around it much 03:45:11 it seems like it's more a consequence of not having both return and break 03:45:29 What's the difference? 03:46:03 for CL it's perfectly cromulant, for translating a language into CL it is slightly annoying but not really a problem 03:46:39 I guess it's partly that a loop in CL returns a value 03:46:46 so the lines are much more blurry 03:46:50 it's all good though 03:47:04 They're basically the same mechanism. You can return no values if you want. 03:47:12 It's a lexical transfer of control. 03:48:05 If you're translating C or whatever, just translate that as a DO, a break as a RETURN, and a return as a RETURN-FROM function-name. easy. 03:49:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:49:57 I'm just putting a nil block inside function defs, which means I don't have to carry context down into subtrees of the AST as I go 03:50:06 but I'll probably fix it when I go back and fix scoping 03:50:43 doing that kind of transfer of control is usually suspect, anyway. 03:50:48 Really? It seems intuitive to me that a return statement ought to "know" where it's returning from. 03:52:26 ltbarcly: also note that http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/m_loop_f.htm#loop-finish exists (which can be seen as 'break') 03:52:44 bike: when can it ever not be the nearest enclosing defun? 03:53:09 ltbarcly: I think pretty much all my use cases for RETURN-FROM involve local non-function blocks. 03:53:28 sykopomp: so you return from your outer function from within a lambda or something? 03:53:44 oh, nm 03:53:45 or a labels. 03:53:46 I misread 03:54:10 I use return-from a lot for things like condition handlers. 03:54:32 but when I use LOOP, LOOP-FINISH and RETURN suffice. 03:54:33 ltbarcly: I mean, which function code is in is lexically available information for a language like C, just like what blocks you're in the lexical extent of is available in CL. 03:54:52 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:55:22 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 03:55:38 I see your point, but I'm not as good with CL so it's a little foreign to me, and returning from, say, a function call, seems like it is a good way to produce unmaintainable spaghetti code 03:56:02 ok, that is not what I meant to say 03:56:18 it depends on whether you're already writing spaghetti. 03:56:43 like a lot of CL, you can use it as part of your etruscan edifices, but you could also just write good code. 03:56:57 sometimes you really are working with particularly hairy control flow (by apparent necessity) 03:57:13 I mean this, which I'm not even sure is legal: 03:57:13 (defun foo () 03:57:13 (return-from bar 123)) 03:57:13 (defun bar () 03:57:13 (foo) 03:57:14 (do-something-here)) 03:57:23 -!- Euthy` [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:57:30 it's not, because return-from is lexical. 03:57:40 ahh, ok 03:57:48 so all is right with the world 03:57:51 ltbarcly: that would be throw/catch, which is a good deal hairier but also available. 03:57:53 presumably you would have to define foo inside of bar then? 03:58:15 Yeah, like (defun bar () (labels ((foo () (return-from bar 123))) (foo) (never-runs))) 03:58:18 but you can do (defun foo () (throw 'bar 123)) (defun bar () (catch 'bar (foo) (this-will-not-execute))) 03:58:19 probably miscounted parens 03:58:45 Bike: catch/throw are just as 'hairy' as block/return-from, but dynamic instead of lexical. 03:59:00 yeah, I mean they're what ltbarcly is thinking of as spaghettiish, though. 03:59:16 yea, but it's not sneaky because you are throwing from the outer function 03:59:44 reading foo, you can go along and then see 'throw' and know that execution is going to jump out somewhere 03:59:54 >https://github.com/sykopomp/memento-mori/blob/develop/src/memento-mori.lisp#L413 explain this code to me 04:00:03 I've become unable to understand it, myself. 04:00:17 but in my return-from example (which happily is illegal), you can't tell from reading the code that the function is just going to return suddenly 04:00:21 Oh my. 04:00:29 although foo could be a macro or something, in which case it still could :/ 04:00:43 The best part is that I can't actually break that up into smaller functions. 04:00:44 ltbarcly: well, don't make a macro for that then, and all is well 04:00:56 sykopomp: that looks about like 95% of the lisp code I have ever seen 04:01:04 which isn't a good thing, but it's true 04:01:16 tagbody, catch, restart-bind, handler-bind, and loop. wow 04:01:31 restart-case* 04:01:36 -!- AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@mobile-166-147-067-126.mycingular.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:01:40 AlbireoX`Laptop [~AlbireoX@mobile-166-147-067-126.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 04:01:43 -!- THREEfG is now known as gf3 04:01:48 there's 3 different catches, too. 04:02:07 I assure you, it is all there for Good Reasons 04:02:10 you could use a simple loop instead of a tagbody, I guess 04:02:28 wouldn't make much of a difference 04:02:32 yeah. 04:02:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:02:57 oh 04:03:10 and that whole block is wrapped in a without-interrupts, which has a with-interrupts somewhere in there 04:03:27 and a (return), too 04:03:32 :) 04:03:50 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:04:04 that doesn't make me as sad as this: http://www.franz.com/~jkf/ifstar.txt 04:04:06 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:04:07 I feel like this should be part of some sort of test. 04:04:21 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 04:04:22 oh, if*! 04:04:22 Euthy [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #lisp 04:04:24 "draw the control flow graph for the following function" for an undergrad you don't like. 04:05:01 Bike: http://www.imgbase.info/images/safe-wallpapers/video_games/portal/13301_portal_now_youre_thinking_with_portals.jpg 04:05:08 if* is embarrassing to me, and I have nothing to do with it nor do I know who did it 04:05:24 it's like the definition of braindamage 04:05:32 Haha. 04:05:39 ltbarcly: eh. It is what it is. 04:05:41 also, I bet there are at least 3 major bugs in that code 04:06:11 In if*? I thought everybody at allegro used it. they would have found it by now. 04:06:13 ltbarcly: maybe, but it's been around for a long time and was written (iirc) by one of the main developers/maintainers of one of the major Lisp implementations. 04:06:36 -!- AlbireoX`Laptop [~AlbireoX@mobile-166-147-067-126.mycingular.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:07:07 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.158.132.201] has joined #lisp 04:07:51 ha! 04:08:53 duko_ [~duko@cpe-76-174-26-24.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:09:28 hi I want to find a atom in a list that would match the value of a string 04:09:49 and I'm wondering if the best way to do this... is to recurse through the list 04:10:06 or if there is a convenience function for doing this 04:10:30 clhs find 04:10:31 duko_: everything that isn't a list is an atom. 04:10:31 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_find_.htm 04:10:47 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:11:50 duko_: (find "foo" '(foo bar baz) :test #'string= :key #'string-downcase) 04:12:09 sykopomp thanks 04:12:27 duko_: by 'atom', did you mean 'symbol'? 04:12:36 that is more helpful to me than you can know 04:12:44 yes 04:13:03 duko_: did I just do your homework? 04:13:13 no 04:13:18 ok 04:13:38 i say that because I'm not familiar with the syntax around `=` 04:13:42 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@91-157-48-51.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:13:51 I think I can study this piece of code 04:14:03 and I will learn something 04:14:09 sorry, not #' 04:14:27 (find "foo" '(foo bar baz) :test (function string=) :key (function string-downcase)) 04:14:37 = is part of the function's name :) 04:15:06 thank you 04:15:43 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:17:07 -!- aslan69 [~aslan69@c-75-71-21-183.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: aslan69] 04:17:34 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:18:34 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 04:20:02 joekarma [~joekarma@184.151.222.97] has joined #lisp 04:20:04 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@184.151.222.97] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:22:20 tiglog [~topeak@61.149.231.9] has joined #lisp 04:22:53 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:24:16 -!- Mazingaro [~Tetsuja@host110-237-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:25:02 mathrick: one can want to run a Common Lisp, a scheme, or a Zeta-Lisp on a LispOS (or any other OS). And also different CL implementations, for different purposes. Some are optimized at generating fast code, some are optimized at helping the programmer debug, and so on. 04:25:54 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:27:31 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:29:40 -!- pspace [~andrew@17.244.173.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:30:28 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-147-102.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:34:11 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-169-83-25.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:34:28 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:34:58 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.158.132.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:35:02 joekarma [~joekarma@184.151.222.97] has joined #lisp 04:35:03 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 04:36:32 AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.247] has joined #lisp 04:37:01 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:37:07 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-179-47-15.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:37:17 kushal [~kdas@114.143.167.139] has joined #lisp 04:37:17 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.167.139] has quit [Changing host] 04:37:18 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 04:38:46 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:39:10 lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #lisp 04:39:20 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:41:13 minion: memo for Thomas: the point of the specification often not imposing to signal an error, is to allow implementations generating code as fast as gcc. There are not a lot of lisp customers wanting that however, hence most implementation signal much more errors than specified. 04:41:14 Remembered. I'll tell Thomas when he/she/it next speaks. 04:42:44 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178025755.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 04:42:59 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@81-235-52-30-no79.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:43:04 p_l: how do you get a z/OS environment? 04:43:04 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 04:43:58 pjb: among somewhat accessible, is the FANDEZHI mainframe system, which actually runs off Hercules S/370 emulator 04:44:23 you can also find a copy of ADCD 1.10 preinstalled for Hercules on TPB 04:45:51 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-204-244-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 04:46:00 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:47:59 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 04:48:28 dim: sure, I'd be interested. No money for now. 04:48:58 p_l: I tried fandezhi, but has been kicked off: they don't like newbies. 04:49:57 -!- madalu [~user@unaffiliated/madalu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:50:22 pjb: weird 04:50:43 -!- vwvwvwv [~vwvwvwv@99-130-100-63.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:50:49 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:51:26 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.158.132.201] has joined #lisp 04:53:37 -!- SsvRrwQ [~user@24.68.50.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:54:42 SsvRrwQ [~user@24.68.50.61] has joined #lisp 04:55:28 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-upfebgifesupvqdl] has joined #lisp 04:55:29 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-upfebgifesupvqdl] has quit [Changing host] 04:55:29 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 04:56:30 p_l: on their forum, they have a lot of newbies complaining for the same. We're just trying to learn the system, and when we come back to it, our accounts are disabled, and when we complain, the admin says we tried to run priviledged commands to subvert the system. 04:56:44 Apparently, the security of z/OS depends on user not running supervisor commands. 04:57:41 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:58:02 ASau [~user@95-26-212-54.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 04:59:09 nipra [~Adium@61.12.27.114] has joined #lisp 05:02:12 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 05:03:29 pjb: interesting. Didn't have such experience there, but I didn't get too far ... yet 05:04:31 as for security, I think it's more the RACF sending complaints to sysop and sysop not willing to delve deeper 05:04:51 i.e. nothing happens to system, but automated system kills you anyway 05:07:18 all seems to be quite recent 05:07:21 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:08:49 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 05:08:51 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:09:37 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.56.6] has joined #lisp 05:09:38 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.56.6] has quit [Changing host] 05:09:38 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 05:09:46 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:10:42 heh. 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[Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:36:25 (format nil "^R~A^r" s) can someone tell me what ^R and ^r means 06:36:31 Nothing. 06:36:41 (format nil "^R~A^r" 42) => "^R42^r" 06:37:31 jasox: is this in stumpwm, perchance? 06:37:49 yes, Bike 06:38:09 It's a stumpwm thing, not a lisp thing. Check the manual under "Colors". 06:38:36 As far as Lisp is considered it's just as pjb said. 06:38:40 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@94.144.63.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:38:54 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 06:39:13 abeaumont [~abeaumont@237.Red-79-155-170.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 06:39:22 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:39:55 mpstyler [~mpstyler@176.73.151.79] has joined #lisp 06:39:56 reverse color, found it 06:42:34 superflit [~superflit@65-128-41-237.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 06:43:45 -!- zmyrgel` [~user@a91-153-150-75.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #lisp 06:44:27 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 06:44:30 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.200.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:47:56 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:48:38 -!- sabalaba [~Adium@c-67-180-195-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit 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[~jcazevedo@188.250.84.83] has quit [Client Quit] 09:25:34 -!- doh` [~user@39.112.212.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:26:36 is it okay to add symbols to *FEATURES*? 09:26:38 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 09:26:43 doh` [~user@39.112.212.212] has joined #lisp 09:28:11 robot-beethoven: it's not unheard of, though I'm not sure there's a consensus on it being a good idea. 09:30:43 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:31:13 robot-beethoven: you can add all the symbols you want to *features*. 09:31:41 However, since I'd advise to limit the use of #+ and #- reader macros, that would imply to limit the symbols you put on *features*. 09:32:01 Notably, you often can just test if a package is present instead of testing for a feature. 09:32:20 robot-beethoven: what's a good idea, is not to put random keywords in *features*. 09:32:34 If you put a symbol from your own package, then there's no risk of collision and it's entirely safe. 09:32:47 Of course, it means you have to qualify your symbol when you test it in #+/#-. 09:33:08 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:33:09 (push my-pkg:my-feature *features*) #+my-pkg:my-feature (do-something) 09:34:10 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.1] 09:34:31 Of course, that means that you need to have this package before testing the feature ;-) 09:34:36 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:37:21 1/0 09:37:42 Oops, I thought that was a REPL :-) 09:38:02 pjb: thanks for advice 09:38:39 robot-beethoven: what use did you have in mind> 09:38:40 ? 09:38:53 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 09:40:19 -!- bitonic [~user@93-40-117-107.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:43:46 bitonic [~user@93-40-117-107.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 09:46:08 xpoqz 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So (#+42 hello world) == (world). 09:47:08 So you can put on *features* any other kind of lisp object safely. 09:47:30 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 09:47:30 (push 42 *features*) (push '(some-secret-data) *features*) etc. 09:48:10 Apart breaking unsuspicious programs, and slowing down the reading of programs using #+/#-, this should have no impact. 09:49:27 However, some implementations reject non symbol and non (not ) (and ) (or ) features in #+/#-. 09:50:05 This is somewhat more strict than what would be required by conformity I'd say, but it's acceptable. 09:51:46 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #lisp 09:54:22 -!- xpoqz [~xpoqz@203.80-203-124.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:54:27 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:56:27 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 09:59:29 rjmt__ [~uid1@46-65-28-90.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 10:00:24 -!- bitonic [~user@93-40-117-107.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:01:55 bitonic [~user@93-40-117-107.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 10:03:00 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:04:33 RebelBunny [~RebelBunn@108-250-133-41.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 10:08:12 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:14:05 zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@catv-89-132-196-182.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 10:14:51 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:19:58 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:20:24 Harag [~phil@dsl-242-247-138.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:23:29 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:23:42 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 10:25:56 -!- kanru` [~kanru@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:26:03 -!- ASau [~user@95-26-212-54.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:27:07 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:28:54 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@193.136.27.164] has joined #lisp 10:31:56 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:38:44 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:43:40 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:47:19 elderK [~k@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has joined #lisp 10:47:23 Hey guys 10:47:33 What's the deal with threading in CL? 10:47:58 I've been reading (for an hour or two) about threading in the most popular lisp implementations and I'm still not really certain on the situation as it were. 10:48:21 Like, SBCL supports threads on *NIX and there's a fork in development now (for quite some time) to support threading on Windows. 10:48:52 ECL has a fantastic FFI, apparently, due to the fact that it compiles straight down to C and allows you to define foreign lambdas inline. 10:49:50 CLISP supports no multi-threading at all, as far as I can discern. I'm not sure about GCL or it's state of development. The developer mailing lists seem to be quite active and the repository to still have commits albeit not so frequently. At least, not the repository that I can access from the GCL website. 10:49:59 So! 10:50:09 ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has joined #lisp 10:50:17 I'm asking you guys because you are the resident CL gurus and have probably dealt with threading issues :) 10:50:33 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:55:41 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:55:52 CLISP has threading, but it in default builds it is not enabled, because maineiners very conservative and want to release it only fully tested 10:56:57 as far as I know, the current limitation is that defclass and similar forms are not thread safe, but if they are performed before spawining threads, then everything goes OK 10:57:01 something like that 10:57:22 CCL supports threads and on *NIX and on Windows 10:57:43 in short, threading is very available in CL today 10:58:01 CCL being Clozure or Corman? 10:58:07 Clozure 10:58:21 I can't remember if that's free? 10:58:23 very good lisp 10:58:35 free 10:58:54 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:59:05 So things like defun, defstruct, deftype etc are not thread safe. 10:59:38 That doesn't seem to be too big of a deal considering threads. at least for my needs, wouldn't define new types but rather just execute general code and handle various things 11:00:04 I assume CCL or some lisp with threading has their own way of obtaining locks of some sort, like, semaphores, mutexes, etc. 11:00:27 And with all of this, has some support for asynchronous IO /or/ allows you to call out to C and C call in to lisp? 11:00:31 Or some thunk that calls into lisp? 11:00:39 what I said about defclass was only about current status of threading development in CLISP 11:01:45 elderK: threads are not part of the standard, it's implementation specific. But, there are libraries out there to harmonize things. Bordeaux threads used to be the thing for threads. 11:01:50 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:02:03 Many imps have thread support of some kind. 11:02:34 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.48] has quit [Quit: (save-lisp-and-die)] 11:02:36 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:03:16 Aye. I wasn't expecting it to be portable support. 11:03:16 -!- doh` [~user@39.112.212.212] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03:18 But, good support. 11:03:25 doh` [~user@39.112.212.212] has joined #lisp 11:03:30 In /some/ implementation that supports Windows would be nice. 11:04:37 chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] has joined #lisp 11:08:27 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.48] has joined #lisp 11:09:14 -!- zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@catv-89-132-196-182.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [] 11:09:17 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 11:11:35 I don't use Windows, and haven't for many years, but I see what you mean. I think one of the commercial lisps for windows had quite good support for all the modern stuff not in the standard. I can't remember which ones, but people around here (or google) should know. 11:12:24 That reminds me I need to upgrade SBCL. 11:12:25 I think it may have been allegro or lispworks 11:12:37 Lispworks sound familiar 11:14:03 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.48] has quit [Quit: (save-lisp-and-die)] 11:14:28 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.48] has joined #lisp 11:15:31 -!- doh` [~user@39.112.212.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:18:19 doh` [~user@39.112.212.212] has joined #lisp 11:18:33 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:20:52 -!- doh` [~user@39.112.212.212] has left #lisp 11:21:21 CLISP's experimental support of threading seems pretty nicely designed, imo. 11:21:21 Like, well thought out. 11:21:29 The Franz documentation seems a little... 11:21:30 well 11:21:31 hit-and-miss 11:21:34 or scattershot 11:21:38 I'm not sure what term fits best :) 11:21:56 (At least regarding 9.0's SMP stuff) 11:22:04 peterhil [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined #lisp 11:22:21 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:22:26 http://ecls.sourceforge.net/new-manual/ch27.html 11:22:27 :) 11:25:48 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 11:27:16 willijar [~quassel@134.151.144.246] has joined #lisp 11:27:39 -!- lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 11:30:16 Alright. a ltitle more reading then bed :) 11:30:18 thanks for your help, guys. 11:30:21 I appreciate it. 11:30:37 Every time I've come in here you've all been so helpful. 11:30:39 thanks :) 11:30:41 See you! 11:30:44 -!- elderK [~k@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has left #lisp 11:30:56 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 11:31:05 tritchey_ [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:31:42 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 11:32:31 -!- agumonkey [~agu@235.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:34:11 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:34:51 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.48] has quit [Quit: (save-lisp-and-die)] 11:35:12 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.48] has joined #lisp 11:35:19 -!- tritchey_ [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:37:06 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 11:39:51 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:40:45 guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 11:45:02 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 11:49:26 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 11:49:37 -!- bitonic [~user@93-40-117-107.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:54:51 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 11:55:10 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:58:35 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:01:59 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-008-139.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 12:02:03 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.48] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:07:55 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:11:10 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:12:01 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:14:14 bitonic [~user@93-40-117-107.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 12:17:08 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 12:20:04 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:20:05 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-67-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:21:03 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Disconnected by services] 12:21:44 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 12:26:15 agumonkey [~agu@208.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 12:28:35 -!- chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:30:52 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:30:52 -!- bitonic [~user@93-40-117-107.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:32:54 bitonic [~user@93-40-117-107.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 12:35:27 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:38:47 Cymew: LW has most of the "nice modern stuff", I believe, but lacks a bit in terms of certain tools afaik. For example, I think ACL's COM support was best, then LW, then an open source project 12:41:02 -!- bitonic [~user@93-40-117-107.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:42:09 bitonic [~user@93-40-117-107.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 12:43:58 So maybe ACL is the one to recommend then. What is COM? It's nothing I've needed but that doesn't mean much I guess. 12:44:10 LiamH [~healy@129-2-129-145.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #lisp 12:44:20 Cymew: a very useful thing on windows 12:44:25 ok 12:44:35 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:45:16 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:45:17 -!- bitonic [~user@93-40-117-107.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:45:24 though LW has enough support as well 12:45:52 also, ACL seems to have better C++ interface in SWIG 12:45:59 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@24.106.194.14] has joined #lisp 12:46:07 bitonic [~user@93-40-117-107.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 12:49:07 -!- moore33 [~moore@ABordeaux-153-1-31-85.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:49:07 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:49:28 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 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Are you there? 15:14:06 -!- ltbarcly [~ltbarcly@pool-71-116-78-211.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:14:43 I am here 15:16:28 Are you here? 15:17:24 -!- CampinSam [~user@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:17:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:17:44 Xach: I'd find it useful to be able to specify a fasl dir to buildapp 15:18:13 findiggle [~kirkwood@173-10-106-172-BusName-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:18:23 I can imagine some reasons for wanting that, what's yours? 15:18:28 I'm using ASDF_OUTPUT_TRANSLATIONS now which seems to do the job 15:19:28 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:38 well, we're using make to create binaries and the Makefiles are using buildapp. Just like you usually have an obj/ directory for all the .o files in C, it's nice to have a separate object directory for Lisp files that is weeped by 'make clean' rather than all fasls going to ~/.cache/ 15:20:12 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:21:11 I'll check it out. 15:21:27 *Xach* is glad buildapp is in use 15:22:08 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:22:37 coolio thanks 15:22:37 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@gray-46.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has joined #lisp 15:22:37 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@gray-46.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has quit [Changing host] 15:22:37 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has joined #lisp 15:23:18 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 15:23:43 answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has joined #lisp 15:24:36 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-215-120-246.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:25:20 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-215-120-246.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:26:48 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:27:01 -!- asciilifeform [~asciilife@pool-71-191-43-115.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:28:29 asciilifeform [~asciilife@pool-71-191-43-115.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:28:52 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 15:28:56 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:29:34 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 15:29:38 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@x-132-204-243-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 15:29:50 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-fmksshyftpehnnlm] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:29:58 -!- pjb is now known as Guest95002 15:31:01 -!- Guest95002 is now known as pjb` 15:31:10 Xach: Also, when a build fails, the output file still seems to be created. 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Read http://weitz.de/packages.html for clarification. 15:55:27 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56:00 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 15:56:10 Xach: thx 15:56:42 tcr: my fault. 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Konversation terminated!] 21:53:35 ok 21:54:31 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:55:55 killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has joined #lisp 21:56:22 -!- punee [~punee@213-245-106-105.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Quit: punee] 21:57:29 steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178025755.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 21:57:37 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 21:59:12 guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:01:32 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:01:40 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 22:03:06 ASau [~user@95-26-212-54.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 22:03:20 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:04:01 tritchey [~tritchey@2602:306:3660:1860:4dc7:9a47:1a1a:ddcd] has joined #lisp 22:05:01 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping 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I'm using SBCL 1.0.58, Aquamacs 2.4 (emacs 23.3.50.1), and slime from github (nablaone/slime). I've posted a gist that shows the issue here: https://gist.github.com/3796771. Any help is much appreciated 22:20:56 did you compile with threads enabled ? or with --fancy ? 22:21:39 kmb: restarts and the backtrace don't print in the repl buffer usually, they show up in sldb. 22:22:20 and sldb is shown in the repl buffer, or it pops into foreground or so.... 22:22:22 understood, but the debugger frame/buffer is not showing up 22:22:55 mine is works with 1.0.58 in emacs 23.4.1 and slime 2012-09-09 22:23:03 I'm using (slime-setup '(slime-fancy)) 22:24:23 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:24:44 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@188.250.84.83] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 22:24:45 kmb: I think he meant when you compiled/installed sbcl, if it's compiled with --fancy (fancy functionality or just with threads. 22:24:54 uh 22:24:55 ) 22:25:01 I don't think that has anything to do with slime. 22:25:23 maybe it has todo with his emacs ? was it working before ? 22:25:32 with earlier versions of sbcl ? 22:25:36 and the same setup in emacs ? 22:26:02 threads don't have to do anything with it 22:26:09 wbooze: it was working in the past, but that was a long time ago, using previous versions of both emacs and sbcl. I've been away from CL for about a year. 22:26:41 kmb: do M-x toggle-debug-on-error 22:27:02 or start emacs with emacs --debug-init 22:28:09 wbooze: no 22:28:55 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:30:14 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 22:31:26 stassats: interesting, I enabled debug on error and the backtrace mentions dime. I have dime installed (slime for open dylan), so maybe the two are in conflict. I'll disable dime and see if it gets better 22:32:52 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:33:06 -!- drewc [~user@212.110.167.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:35:07 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@188.250.84.83] has joined #lisp 22:35:14 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:35:55 sweet! that was it, somehow having dime and slime at the same time was causing a conflict in the two fighting over subprocess handing for the inferior runtime. Now the sldb buffer pops up as I expect. 22:36:25 that was your punishment for using a lisp without parenthesis 22:36:40 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178025755.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 22:36:59 stassats: good one, and extra verbose to boot! 22:37:19 trigen [~MSX@devvers.tweaknet.net] has joined #lisp 22:39:10 wbooze, stassats: thanks! 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