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04:30:22 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@CPE-121-217-241-27.lnse3.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 04:30:27 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 04:32:52 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:33:13 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-147-102.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:33:29 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-147-102.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 04:35:36 gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 04:37:17 does anyone have a good begineers guide to lisp, I've tried finding one but no luck 04:37:59 orangepnut: http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/, http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/ 04:38:10 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:41:09 Bike, thank you :) 04:41:44 the first is better if you're already a programmer, the second is more for total newbies, as I understand. 04:42:11 wbooze 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I'd agree with it being good for beginners. :) 04:44:39 go straight to Gentle Intro (Bike's second link) if you're one of them. 04:45:26 brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:45:40 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-166-248.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:45:58 -!- Jubb [~ghost@pool-108-28-0-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:46:48 okay, ty 04:50:02 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:51:10 ^pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 04:54:26 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:59:00 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 05:02:14 -!- tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.148.202.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:03:42 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:03:49 -!- chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] 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Here, the source is not a text but a runtime object 07:26:04 fchurca [~fchurca@190.51.104.33] has joined #lisp 07:27:00 -!- ^pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has left #lisp 07:27:00 ^pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 07:27:16 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:29:21 -!- fchurca [~fchurca@190.51.104.33] has quit [Client Quit] 07:32:54 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 07:35:27 egp_: oh? 07:37:43 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:39:40 -!- leo2007 [~leo@182.48.109.8] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.1] 07:39:53 doomlord [~ceti331@host81-157-102-115.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 07:41:49 -!- nydel [~jo@ip72-197-235-21.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:45:43 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 07:48:52 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:50:11 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:51:11 zmyrgel [~user@a91-153-150-75.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 07:52:29 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 07:53:00 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 07:55:45 -!- ram_ [6cfa8529@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.250.133.41] has left #lisp 07:56:25 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:56:41 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:59:19 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 08:00:14 c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 08:00:46 bitonic [~user@93-40-105-65.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 08:01:07 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 08:01:30 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:03:19 Harag [~phil@dsl-242-247-138.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:03:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:04:42 -!- ^pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has left #lisp 08:09:26 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 08:10:12 MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-117-165.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 08:13:59 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:15:05 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 08:15:21 who changed the setup of cl-net recently on the lisppaste account? lisppaste stopped working due to a software upgrade, I think. 08:17:07 what is this lisppaste? 08:17:52 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:18:07 Orii: it's our pastebin 08:18:15 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:18:29 amazing :') 08:18:50 ehu: stassats or drewc 08:19:07 it's got source code coloring and block matching and other programming related niceness. 08:19:14 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 08:19:44 lisp is so cool 08:20:30 H4ns: ok. well, it wasn't drewc, he said, so I'll need to look at stassats. 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http://blog.quicklisp.org/2012/05/updates-coming-soon.html 09:58:04 eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #lisp 09:58:05 -!- eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Changing host] 09:58:05 eli [~eli@racket/eli] has joined #lisp 09:58:25 ehu: and i'll doing the cleanup now 09:58:26 daimrod: ok. that leaves me exactly today to do the release of cl-irc. 09:58:29 s/doing/do/ 09:58:39 stassats: perfect. it's a much needed effort. 09:58:57 did you also commit the code changes that have been made in the past back to the lisppaste repository? 09:59:12 no 09:59:44 i created a new git repostiry (without really preserving any old commits) 09:59:52 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:00:15 ok. that's fine as well, I just mean to ask if the code that's there is being preserved in a repository. 10:00:34 i later will put it on github 10:01:25 stassats: i've also just committed a change which should make cl-irc much more future-proof with respect to irc-deamon changes (such as the reply-code 328 that we've seen roughly 4 years ago, which broke all cl-irc bots because the code was unknown) 10:01:27 loke [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 10:01:40 that'll be in quicklisp next month, I hope. 10:01:48 good, i guess 10:01:58 are you loading cl-irc from quicklisp as well? 10:02:05 yes 10:02:14 major changes! good! 10:02:26 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:02:54 *ehu* wonders if this is the start of a new database driven paste engine which doesn't take 40min to start up 10:03:08 yes, i will do that too 10:03:18 oh man! you're my hero. 10:03:23 but not necessarily a database, just an index 10:04:49 the Subversion project spreads the "pristine files" database over a number of directories. should we do the same? ie: all pastes starting with 13 go into ./pastes/13/ 10:05:13 it's said to reduce the access times to the files 10:06:28 fuck, did i say that i didn't want to remove anything important? i just did 10:06:33 are there backups on cl.net? 10:07:49 no, that's bad 10:08:27 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:08:32 no offline it says, are there online ones? 10:09:42 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:11:10 gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 10:13:06 stassats: lemme check. 10:13:44 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 10:13:53 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:14:35 stassats: sorry, no, there's no recent snapshot. 10:14:51 how old is the most-recent one? 10:15:15 I thought there would be one of a few months old, but even that's not the case. 10:16:57 -!- saschakb [~skbierm@gateway/tor-sasl/saschakb] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:18:38 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:19:05 saschakb 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DAX LOVES ME VERY MUCH. Also /msg ow hi] 11:17:03 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 11:19:15 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:22:20 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 11:23:22 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 11:23:34 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-153-76.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:23:45 -!- n00b4life [~n00b4life@5ED457D4.cm-7-5b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:24:56 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 11:26:32 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 11:27:23 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 11:30:55 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:31:54 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:33:21 ehu: any chance of a cl-irc-latest.tar.gz or similar? 11:34:46 -!- 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all the pastes 11:42:36 trying to use google cache to recover some of them, google doesn't like too many requests 11:42:56 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:43:13 i was using paste.lisp.org to write my novel :( 11:43:45 and the few pastes i recovered are just spam 11:44:16 at least now lisppaste starts quite fast 11:44:20 hah 11:44:29 stassats: can't you try to recover some of them with tools like testdisk or foremost? 11:44:41 i don't think so 11:45:27 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 11:45:37 you can mark September 23 in your calendars as the great paste exodus 11:46:16 huh 11:46:59 *pavelpenev* will slaughter a lamb every year on September 23rd in order to please the backup gods. 11:47:43 i guess the time spent on recovering could be better spent on fighting spam 11:49:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:55:30 lggr 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joined #lisp 14:05:07 ehu, I intended to ask CL user here for negative things ;) 14:06:18 I don't want to make war, but Lisp family users may have some very good points about another Lisp Dialect . 14:07:03 the negative thing: it's not Common Lisp 14:07:18 and, most (everything?) of Clojure could have been implemented within CL. 14:07:34 s/within/on top of/ 14:07:55 madnificent, I thought they build it to help extending Lisp land on Java & .NET with concurrency & parallel, at least, that's what they said. I agree that it's young . 14:08:02 seamless jvm integration? software transactional memory? 14:08:13 ABCL has jvm integration 14:08:38 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:08:42 H4ns, as they said, yes. 14:10:24 stassats: arguably not as nice as clojure's. Though it should be fixable with some macrology 14:10:44 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-145-245.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:11:27 i like cl because it is powerful and does not change. when all these disco languages du jour are dead, cl will still be there. 14:11:38 megamind: I dislike the syntax sugar in clojure, and the dual namespace it has (IMHO more annoying than CL namespaces) 14:11:58 which lisp would you suggest for a newbie? 14:12:05 Common Lisp 14:12:06 Things I like about clojure: JVM interop, case-sensitivity, arrays and hashmaps as primatives 14:12:24 ludston: Common Lisp is case-sensitive 14:12:25 gkeith_lt [gkeith@nat/google/x-enkmbdrpyjwkldvc] has joined #lisp 14:12:27 p_l, same here , I stop half way on reading "Joy of Clojure" 14:12:37 sorry, common lisp impelementation* 14:12:41 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:12:44 Netfeed: SBCL 14:13:17 stassats: Technically yes, but in practice, you have to bend over to get it. 14:13:25 stassats: best one? 14:13:32 Netfeed: of course! 14:13:51 :) 14:13:52 ludston: bend over? it's trivial 14:14:16 ludston: the only problem is people not expecting it to be case-sensitive 14:14:17 stassats: Trivial as in |ImCaseSensitive| vs ImCaseSensitive 14:14:27 ludston: :invert WFM when I need it. 14:14:55 ludston: (setf (readtable-case *readtable*) :preserve) 14:15:14 :invert would work better with already existing symbols 14:17:09 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:17:38 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 14:17:53 stassats: I'm writing this down, but it's like you said no one expects it and it'll piss people if I use it in a project 14:18:03 megamind: they could have used a bridge or a targetted implementation like abcl for that. i see no reason for clojure. 14:18:23 ludston: well, people are aware of it, most of the maintained libraries are ok with it 14:18:53 madnificent: The reason for clojure is multithreading. 14:19:05 but the argument was "it's there if you want it" 14:19:06 megamind: if that was the goal, the development time spent on clojure could have been spent much much better. i think it's an ego-trip. i have thought lisp could've been built better on various occasions, on many i learned i was wrong afterwards. i have the same feeling with clojure 14:19:26 stassats: Yeah, you're right. 14:19:46 ludston: point with that is that clojure is so slow, that a single threaded app can still be faster. plus, you could do the same thing with lisp, if you spend enough time on the implementation of those features. 14:19:46 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-190-124.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:20:08 ludston: and that time was available, they built clojure 14:20:35 madnificent: The aim isn't to have code that executes fast, the aim is to write code fast. If we wanted fast multithreading we'd use C 14:20:35 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20:36 Jubb [~ghost@pool-108-28-0-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:20:51 they could have improved cl-stm. 14:21:03 ludston: and in what way is clojure so much faster to write code in? 14:21:15 wouldn't the fact that there's loads of great java libraries that can interact with clojure be a point in its favour? 14:21:15 ludston: well, i write fast in CL and the resulting code is fast enough most of the time 14:21:18 madnificent: Clojure solves the social side of multithreading, i.e. noob programmers, better than any other lisp 14:21:36 and when it's not, i can make it faster easily without resorting to third-party languages 14:21:45 steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178025755.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 14:21:58 madnificent, yeah, ego-trip. Whoever don't want to make their own Lisp implementation ? The Clojure author 've already made some before there are clojure. So I think it's just how he himself affected from what he have been programming in , like .. java ? 14:21:59 ludston: you want to say "it doesn't fix jack shit"? because that is not a treat of clojure, it's some library you give your users. 14:22:00 daimrod: it's a question of defaults. Making STM work in an environment full of mutation is hard. 14:22:08 Netfeed: that's a bridge. ABCL can do the same. 14:22:08 Are there any particular issues (or packages) I should be aware of when handling Unicode data with CL? 14:22:25 arnsholt: make sure your implementation supports unicode :) 14:22:26 megamind: i don't want to make my own implementation 14:22:32 megamind: i work on improving SBCL instead 14:22:58 megamind: you're saying what? i can't easily parse the sentence. 14:23:02 madnificent: "you want to say "it doesn't fix jack shit"? because that is not a treat of clojure, it's some library you give your users." I have no idea what that meant. 14:23:03 stassats, which mean SBCL matched your implementation perfectly ;) 14:23:11 KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:23:19 madnificent: Sounds like a good first step, yeah. It's Allegro which seems to be reasonable 14:23:22 a non-existing implementation? 14:23:25 -!- samebchase [~samuel@codesurfers.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:23:37 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:23:40 (But not sure if it supports full Unicode or only UCS-2 from what I've skimmed so far) 14:23:58 stassats, SBCL 14:24:06 megamind: i don't follow you 14:24:21 ludston: multithreading is a language (or implementation) feature, i'd say. however easy multithreading seems to be macrology or other support. a parallel mapper for instance. there is no reason to make a different language for this. 14:24:50 ludston: as in: it doesn't solve a problem on the language level. they should have built a library (lparallel walks some of that) 14:24:57 arnsholt: try and char-code a high enough value. 14:25:44 pkhuong: wouldn't it be reasonable to expect something in *features* about it? 14:27:43 madnificent: Oh, I understand what you're saying. I won't argue with you then about it being about ego, but I would like to see abcl with these libraries and a community behind them before I'd move to it. 14:27:57 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:28:23 pkhuong: harder than implementing a new language?(it's a real question) I think they could have make a CL-STM-USER package instead. 14:28:57 madnificent: There's a features entry, but the manual is a bit fuzzy about whether it's UTF-16 or UCS-2 14:29:08 But pkhuong's idea is decent 14:29:19 arnsholt: ok 14:29:23 arnsholt: thanks 14:29:26 -!- Jubb [~ghost@pool-108-28-0-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Jubb] 14:29:52 I guess half the battle with CL is building up the language to meet your needs, but that's assuming I'm smart enough to know what I need. 14:31:06 daimrod: probably as hard, for little gain. If I'm going to FFI with a host language, I'd rather it be direct to C, C++ or Java than CL. 14:31:18 ludston: i think lparallel works under abcl. you probably want to write some (reader?) macros to make it all happen as nicely as you'd expect in clojure (though please leave out the [ ]). however, you'd be targetting something that isn't bound to change in 6 months, so your part of the application will keep working regardless of the implementation. 14:31:49 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 14:33:09 daimrod: writing a compiler is easy, especially if the target is as nice as the JVM and we're not bound by pre-existing standards. The hard part is making the ecosystem gel, especially developer support. 14:33:35 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-68-174-154-238.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:34:01 nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-219-55-21.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 14:34:14 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:34:36 -!- Orii [~user1@pool-71-173-143-109.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:35:32 pkhuong, you got my point. it's a pain actually. 14:35:50 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:36:01 kyl [~kyle_dev@deathstar.tyrfingr.is] has joined #lisp 14:36:03 madnificent: If you care, looks like it's UCS-2. (code-char #X10080) (which is a Linear B character) returns nil at any rate 14:36:50 at any rate? 14:36:59 (code-char #X10080) => #\LINEAR_B_IDEOGRAM_B100_MAN 14:37:11 stassats: on ACL? 14:37:40 Huh. Maybe it's something with my Allegro setup 14:37:44 pkhuong: i supposed "any rate" wasn't constrained to ACL 14:37:56 stassats: I don't see why one would. 14:38:32 arnsholt: it's not ACL 14:38:52 megamind: I didn't realise I was responding to any point of yours. 14:39:02 stassats: Right, that explains it 14:39:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:40:08 samebchase [~samuel@codesurfers.net] has joined #lisp 14:40:14 char-code-limit => 65536 on ACL 8.2 14:40:32 madnificent: In what cases does [] kill the lisp? 14:40:46 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 14:41:03 stassats: Ah right, that would've been the best thing to check. Thanks 14:41:25 as opposed to 1114112 on SBCL 14:42:13 pkhuong, that's about both FFI and new compiler 14:42:31 Maybe I'll try to get it running on SBCL then. Some of the code I might end up interfacing with depends on Allegro, but not sure if the specific bits I need do 14:42:43 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:42:56 [SLB]` [~slabua@host171-53-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 14:42:57 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 14:42:59 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@host171-53-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 14:42:59 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 14:43:43 Usually I would love to join the hate on clojure, but I've been learning ruby this weekend, and... clojure is a a great language :) 14:44:09 :-) 14:44:58 pavelpenev, you mean: compare to ruby ? 14:45:16 arnsholt: or, maybe you can work with vectors of bytes (say, in utf-8) or of codepoints directly. 14:45:42 megamind: Ruby is like Harry Potter magic. 14:45:58 megamind: It is definitely a step up for a ruby programmer to learn clojure :) 14:46:26 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:46:35 Actually, mostly Rails is like Harry Potter magic. 14:48:11 pkhuong: Yeah, that's probably an option as well. Not sure I really want to muck through that stuff though =) 14:48:33 For my current project it probably doesn't matter all that much, but might in the future 14:50:44 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:51:41 -!- samebchase [~samuel@codesurfers.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:52:34 -!- kyl [~kyle_dev@deathstar.tyrfingr.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:52:41 Mazingaro [~Tetsuja@host110-237-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 14:52:44 samebchase [~samuel@codesurfers.net] has joined #lisp 14:52:52 -!- gkeith_lt [gkeith@nat/google/x-enkmbdrpyjwkldvc] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:52:53 mcspiff [~user@bas16-ottawa23-845424551.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 14:53:55 -!- mcspiff [~user@bas16-ottawa23-845424551.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:54:16 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.200.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:54:41 arnsholt: right; it depends on which is more painful between that and switching away from ACL's stuff... Keep in mind SBCL isn't very good with badly encoded data too. You can insert replacement characters, but you lose information that way. 14:55:09 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-219-55-21.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:55:22 Hmm, good to know. Thanks for the pointers! 14:57:15 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:58:35 -!- samebchase [~samuel@codesurfers.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:59:12 kyl [~kyle_dev@deathstar.tyrfingr.is] has joined #lisp 15:01:37 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:01:40 -!- ludston [~patience@CPE-121-218-240-135.lnse4.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:04:31 Aiwass [~user@188.26.252.194] has joined #lisp 15:04:52 -!- Guest29702 [~xubuntu@186.34.174.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:05:49 -!- kyl [~kyle_dev@deathstar.tyrfingr.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:06:38 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:07:11 kyl [~kyle_dev@deathstar.tyrfingr.is] has joined #lisp 15:09:11 -!- bitonic [~user@93-40-105-65.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:10:02 samebchase [~samuel@codesurfers.net] has joined #lisp 15:11:30 -!- 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New: cl-irc 0.9.1, Drakma 1.2.7, Hunchentoot 1.2.4, SBCL 1.0.58, CMUCL 20c 16:47:07 kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-37-19-235.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:47:52 -!- gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:49:36 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:49:48 phew 16:51:17 wowww 16:51:58 is it? 16:52:29 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Farewell, farewell, God knows when we shall meet again. --Shakespeare] 16:52:48 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 16:53:07 stassats: to me? 16:53:19 ehu: no 16:53:42 stassats: need more IPs to increase speed of retrieval? 16:53:58 (you could use your own and cl-net, at least) 16:54:18 google doesn't have much of /xml ones, it seems 16:55:05 so we need to scrape from the html responses? 16:55:46 i don't think that the old pastes are that important 16:56:22 ok. well, let's improve the infrastructure now that it starts really speedy :-) 16:57:34 at least i recovered the first paste 16:57:43 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:58:33 and it seems that rss clients have gone mad 16:58:51 because of the deletion? 16:58:57 i guess 16:59:14 or bots, i don't know 16:59:19 i see allsrots of crazy things 16:59:23 in the log 17:00:08 decade old browsers and what-not 17:00:56 this is really strange 17:04:18 -!- blbef [~chatzilla@089144206113.atnat0015.highway.a1.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:04:25 ehu: i can host a long-running lisp process on two ip addresses (normally), one of them may disconnect every once in a while. if you make it simple enough to quickload, i'll start running it right away. 17:04:53 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:07:11 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 17:08:41 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:09:40 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:10:58 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:11:10 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:13:50 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@252.160-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 17:13:50 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@252.160-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Changing host] 17:13:50 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 17:14:21 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 17:14:36 nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-136-162-47.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 17:15:41 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:19:11 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:20:34 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-136-162-47.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:20:43 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:22:21 blbef [~chatzilla@089144206179.atnat0015.highway.a1.net] has joined #lisp 17:25:13 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:26:10 -!- keltvek [~keltvek@89-212-113-105.static.t-2.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:26:27 -!- benny [~user@i577A7AB0.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.1.1] 17:27:53 keltvek [~keltvek@89-212-113-105.static.t-2.net] has joined #lisp 17:28:05 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 17:29:38 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-95-30.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 17:29:43 -!- poindontcare [~user@c-50-131-221-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:29:59 poindontcare [~user@c-50-131-221-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:31:16 -!- sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31:22 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:31:34 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-95-30.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 17:31:54 benny [~user@i577A7AB0.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 17:33:46 sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has joined #lisp 17:35:23 bitonic [~user@93-40-105-65.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 17:37:49 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:38:00 sabalaba [~Adium@199-188-193-145.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined #lisp 17:40:16 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 17:42:57 so, more interesting news about lisppaste, turns out, it was being ddosed, because there was a paste exposing a ddoser for not doing a good job at dosing and not giving money back 17:44:29 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:45:31 justicefries [~justicefr@c-24-9-171-36.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:46:27 i guess he wanted to restore his reputation, perhaps which led to lisppaste going down, and then ehu couldn't restart it because there was too many old files, which i then started deleting, and accidentally deleted all the old pastes 17:46:31 funny story 17:47:12 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 17:47:48 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-95-30.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 17:51:59 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:52:28 -!- jlf [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/jlf] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:53:25 HG` [~HG@95.154.204.242] has joined #lisp 17:53:43 hohum [dcorbe@apollo.corbe.net] has joined #lisp 17:53:53 an no backup of old pastes exists? 17:54:05 :( 17:54:31 nooooo! it's possible? 17:55:32 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:57:12 -!- chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9-rc1] 17:57:47 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:57:58 -!- sweet_kid is now known as xrosnight 17:58:12 -!- xrosnight is now known as sweet_kid 17:58:27 -!- saschakb [~skbierm@gateway/tor-sasl/saschakb] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:58:29 -!- [SLB] is now known as [SLB]` 17:58:33 _d3f [~d3f@79.172.193.130] has joined #lisp 18:00:08 -!- mhi^ [~mhi@mhi.sanctioned.net] has left #lisp 18:01:21 pnpuff: yup. it is. 18:01:36 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 18:01:58 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:04:40 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:07:56 let it be a lesson for the future: we want backups. also, we should be able to fetch some of them from the waybackmachine, no? 18:08:22 only a small subset of the past 18:10:33 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:11:20 saschakb [~skbierm@gateway/tor-sasl/saschakb] has joined #lisp 18:13:57 jlf [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/jlf] has joined #lisp 18:14:53 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17:51 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-145-245.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:18:03 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:18:42 tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has joined #lisp 18:19:20 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Quit: ] 18:21:22 sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 18:23:38 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:24:55 I guess there'll be some broken links in blog posts, but it's not too reasonable to expect a paste server for code pastes to store that stuff indefinitely. 18:25:38 Fade: well, it's not ideal, yes 18:25:40 -!- sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:25:55 sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 18:26:55 stepnem [~stepnem@82.208.57.182] has joined #lisp 18:27:39 jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has joined #lisp 18:30:13 -!- sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:30:30 sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 18:30:31 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:31:45 this ddoser, is he still ddosing? 18:32:26 yes 18:34:00 sad example of people who can not find application to themselves 18:34:22 antonv: well, it pays money, apparently 18:34:46 -!- sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:35:00 sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 18:35:16 summon joy: life it's short, sometimes perfectible, but goes on! happy lisp !! ;) 18:35:53 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:37:49 -!- sroh [~user@39.112.212.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:39:19 -!- sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:39:36 sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 18:39:43 apparently, he's as incapable as the party in the paste claims :-) 18:39:50 he can't even get 1 site out of the air. 18:40:04 -!- justicefries [~justicefr@c-24-9-171-36.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 18:40:27 let alone a site with a strong load balancing infrastructure. 18:40:39 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:40:47 I have a mirror of paste.lisp.org as of May 30 2011. Uploading it to my ftp server. 18:41:02 that'd be cool 18:42:05 stassats: that's another solution: we can serve the old pastes statically. 18:42:13 nobody is going to annotate them anyway. 18:42:31 (or so I hope) 18:42:37 Sometimes I want to annotate old pastes. Eg. when there's a new version of something. 18:42:52 ok. well, it's a start. 18:43:52 -!- sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:44:01 4.8 GB it'll take some time to upload. 18:44:06 sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 18:44:23 francogrex [~user@109.130.93.54] has joined #lisp 18:44:38 pjb: are those the xml versions or the plain html documents? (or both?) 18:44:49 pjb: well, we only need .xml files 18:44:56 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:44:59 http://paste.lisp.org/display/132011 how can I get rid of this closure ? 18:45:00 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:45:47 francogrex: try pressing backspace enough times 18:45:50 it'll disappear 18:45:51 -!- benny [~user@i577A7AB0.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:46:07 lol 18:46:24 (that means that i don't get what's the question is about) 18:46:26 it will but it will be replaced by deadful emptyness! 18:46:51 it's a black hole? 18:47:09 stassats: simply elegantly concatenate all string elements of a list into one large string 18:47:38 why would that require closures? 18:47:52 Yes, there are xml too /home/pjb/src/lisp/web/paste.lisp.org/display/54308/xml 18:47:54 it doesn't the closure was accidental 18:47:56 francogrex: I think you really need to think about your problem again. 18:48:06 this is really the worst solution to it that I ever saw. 18:48:14 francogrex: (format nil "~{~a~}" list) 18:48:17 I suspected so 18:48:25 -!- sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:48:26 errr 18:48:42 sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 18:49:17 francogrex: you can solve that with recursion, if you want to, but you should be able to do without the enclosing Y variable. 18:49:28 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:49:54 benny [~user@i577A7AB0.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 18:49:54 (which means your routine isn't re-entrant or thread-safe) 18:51:55 yeah ... hmm *^_^* 18:52:58 -!- sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:53:14 sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 18:53:58 fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-67-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 18:54:44 lol >__< 18:55:19 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:57:31 -!- sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:57:47 sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 18:57:50 anyone here dabled with 'lisp500' 18:59:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:00:14 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:02:04 -!- sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:02:17 sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 19:04:48 caoliver [~chatzilla@24-236-215-112.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:05:12 francogrex: how about: (defun conrec (x) (apply #'concatenate 'string x)) 19:05:41 Anyone here familiar with both SDL and openGL? 19:06:37 -!- sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:06:52 sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 19:07:18 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:07:26 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:07:31 francogrex: or, if you want to copy the bytes an exponential number of times: (defun conrec (x) (if (endp x) "" (concatenate 'string (conrec (rest x)) (car x)))) 19:09:58 doomlord: I've booted it a couple of times. 19:10:04 deadghost [~deadghost@71-84-68-72.dhcp.rvsd.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:10:23 ehu: yes, format nil of stassats is the most straightforward really I don't know why I am complicating trivial things; see what I had tried earlier: (apply (lambda (x) (concatenate 'string x)) (list "A" "B" "C" "D")) and for a good measure of humor : (reduce (LAMBDA (X) (CONCATENATE 'STRING X)) (LIST "A" "B" "C" "D")) ... yeah 19:10:45 i'm just browsing someone's extention of it on github now 19:10:52 1629 line version hehe 19:10:59 How big! 19:11:10 -!- sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:11:28 sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 19:11:39 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 19:11:45 looking at what it does and doen't do ... lisp500 will be pretty limited i guess 19:11:49 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:11:56 it's relative. 19:12:24 Whether you target arduino or raspberry pi. 19:12:53 being able to extend directly appeals to me 19:12:59 scheme48 19:13:33 worked nicely on very limited hardware (1998 EPOC (symbian 16-bit) machines) 19:14:14 scheme is the one more commonly embedded in c, right 19:14:31 scheme48 is pretty interesting 19:15:00 mit-scheme it's quite dangerous :) 19:15:09 doomlord: that's indeed the advantage of small sources: you can more easily understand and modify them. 19:15:25 -!- sabalaba [~Adium@199-188-193-145.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:15:43 -!- sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:15:45 mrSpec [~Spec@81.253.63.159] has joined #lisp 19:15:45 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@81.253.63.159] has quit [Changing host] 19:15:45 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 19:15:58 sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 19:17:33 -!- Guest29702 [~xubuntu@186.34.174.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:18:08 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 19:18:28 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.200.20] has joined #lisp 19:19:11 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:20:13 hi, (declaim (sb-ext:muffle-conditions style-warning)) doesn't get rid of style warnings when defining a method without defining a generic first. I know I should be defining generics, but just for quick programs I would like to muffle these warnings somehow 19:20:16 -!- sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:20:32 Perhaps it's not a style-warning? 19:20:33 sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 19:20:39 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-145-245.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 19:21:21 I'm not sure how to verify, but the output is "STYLE-WARNING: Implicitly creating new generic function [...]" 19:21:31 -!- HG` [~HG@95.154.204.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:22:13 cddr [~user@108-89-212-211.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:23:43 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:24:49 -!- sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:25:02 sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 19:26:16 It all makes sense now! NIH syndrome can be due to a belief that the GPL infects software just by association 19:27:00 cddr? 19:27:01 pjb: I verified with putting it through handler-case and it is a style-warning 19:27:05 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.93.54] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27:08 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:28:09 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:28:58 some implementations have a flag to disable those warnings. 19:29:22 -!- sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:29:37 sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 19:29:41 slilo [~user@host-94-251-99-133.bbcustomer.zsttk.net] has joined #lisp 19:30:20 sorry, typed into wrong buffer 19:30:33 Still seemed pertinent here yet. 19:31:26 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 19:31:58 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 19:32:39 pjb: using sbcl; every source I find is telling me to use muffle-conditions but it's not working http://paste.lisp.org/display/132013 19:33:06 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:33:55 -!- sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:34:10 sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 19:34:48 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:34:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:36:21 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:36:46 Guest35 [~Guest35@hermes.weelya.com] has joined #lisp 19:36:48 egn: perhaps it's a bug? ask on #sbcl 19:37:18 pjb: will do 19:37:53 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@a94-133-182-103.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 19:38:28 -!- sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:38:43 sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 19:39:28 -!- Guest35 [~Guest35@hermes.weelya.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:39:48 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@a94-133-182-103.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Client Quit] 19:40:22 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:40:58 Amadiro_ [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 19:43:01 -!- sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:43:03 -!- SanderM [~quassel@vhe-400104.sshn.net] has quit [Quit: I need to take it elsewhere.] 19:47:31 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:48:19 -!- [1]mpstyler [~mpstyler@176.73.151.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:49:01 -!- VieiraN [~VieiraN@189-46-159-143.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:49:39 VieiraN [~VieiraN@189-46-159-143.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #lisp 19:50:46 [1]mpstyler [~mpstyler@176.73.151.79] has joined #lisp 19:51:54 -!- aoh [~aki@adsl-99-115.netplaza.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:52:26 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:52:50 sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 19:55:00 ah 'lisp5000' (the 1600 line lisp) is aparently just "lisp500" formatted & commented :) 19:55:25 oh! 19:55:46 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-145-245.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:56:26 okapi [~okapi@ool-44c763d6.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 19:57:01 -!- sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:59:14 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:00:27 -!- poindontcare [~user@c-50-131-221-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:38 i'm working myself through the common lisp book and i'm at the macro-building chapter and i've just done the do-primes example, is there any special reason why (random 100) would always evaluate to 89 in bash, but works most of the time in the lisp prompt? 20:00:42 poindontcare [~user@c-50-131-221-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:02:15 lol :) 20:02:25 89 is a prime and a fibonaccy. 20:02:31 very nice number to evaluate to. 20:02:41 89 is a prime and a fibonacci. 20:03:52 -!- Amadiro_ [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:04:08 setting *radom-state* seemed to work 20:04:33 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:04:39 sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 20:06:56 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:08:52 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:08:55 -!- sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:09:09 sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 20:09:09 -!- sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has quit [Client Quit] 20:10:13 ncw [~ncw@host86-184-78-118.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 20:10:13 Netfeed: (89 89 89 89 89 89 ) seems like a very random sequence to me. 20:11:07 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-204-244-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [] 20:13:17 i rather have my radom a bit more random :) 20:13:50 pseudo-random 20:14:57 of course 20:16:19 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:16:50 lagged fibonacci , lol :) 20:16:55 Amadiro [jonathri@dalvik.ping.uio.no] has joined #lisp 20:18:49 zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@catv-89-132-196-182.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 20:19:25 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-182-152.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:20:16 -!- zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@catv-89-132-196-182.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Changing host] 20:20:16 zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has joined #lisp 20:21:35 brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:22:32 -!- Amadiro [jonathri@dalvik.ping.uio.no] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 20:22:39 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:23:43 Amadiro [jonathri@dalvik.ping.uio.no] has joined #lisp 20:24:41 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:24:45 but the random numbers generator algorithms used in lisp are all in CALGO ? 20:25:35 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:26:02 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 20:26:52 seminumerical algorithms 20:27:11 peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-51.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 20:32:30 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.200.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:34:52 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:36:06 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:37:57 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:41:56 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-117-165.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:42:27 pnpuff: probably not. Knuth doesn't cover modern (post 80's) PRNGs. 20:44:25 yes phuong : MT it's excluded and so on .. 20:44:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:44:35 -!- gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 20:46:49 Sure, if you exclude the PRNGs that aren't in seminumerical algorithms, they're all in there. 20:49:22 minimal standard ;) 20:49:40 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:51:45 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-95-30.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 20:53:19 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:55:25 galdor [galdor@78.193.30.12] has joined #lisp 20:56:52 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:57:46 So the paste.lisp.org xml files I have are uploaded to ftp://ftp.informatimago.com/pub/lisp-mirrors/paste.lisp.org-display-xml.tar.bz2 20:57:51 But I noticed I have more raw files, so I'm preparing a tarball for all I have. 20:57:56 I couldn't just rsync it to the ftp server because there are smaller limits there on the number of entries in directories 20:57:57 20:58:31 good work!! 20:59:54 -!- VieiraN [~VieiraN@189-46-159-143.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:00:23 -!- galdor [galdor@78.193.30.12] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 21:00:50 galdor [galdor@78.193.30.12] has joined #lisp 21:01:41 pjb: so, i should wait for another tarball? 21:02:44 pjb: you can just put all the files into xxx.xml to avoid the directory limit 21:03:10 stassats: you plan to split them out again? 21:03:44 no, not into a single file 21:04:25 they are no in paste-number/xml, it'd could be made into paste-number.xml 21:04:42 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: .] 21:04:42 ah. right. 21:04:48 s/no/now/ 21:05:05 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:05:40 clintm [~cmoore@001e52f0de2b.click-network.com] has joined #lisp 21:08:07 -!- [1]mpstyler [~mpstyler@176.73.151.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:10:18 stassats: I'm preparing a tarball with all I have indeed. 4.8 GB uncompressed. 21:10:32 ok, good 21:10:56 all you have meaning _all_ you have? i just need /xml files 21:11:27 -!- bitonic [~user@93-40-105-65.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:11:36 if the previous tarball has all /xml files, then i'm set 21:11:40 All the xml I have are in ftp://ftp.informatimago.com/pub/lisp-mirrors/paste.lisp.org-display-xml.tar.bz2 21:11:49 oh, ok, great 21:12:06 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:12:18 i'll massage them into lisppaste tomorrow, thanks 21:12:40 But as I mentionned, I have 24787 xml files, 31998 raw files and 137201 +something files. 21:13:08 So you may want to process the 137201 +something HTML files/directories. 21:13:15 well, raw files are of no use here, since they just have paste content, no metadata 21:13:42 -!- Kvaks [~quassel@95.161.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:13:44 the number of raw files will be grater than xml, since there's a raw file for each annotation 21:13:52 Well, if anything else, they're in directories named for the paste number, so at least one cound still provide that link. 21:14:42 Ok, so we can assume there's the same, but that's still 24787 pastes in /display/ vs. 137201 in /+ 21:15:10 s/there's/they're/ 21:15:18 Kvaks [~quassel@95.161.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 21:16:42 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:19:16 -!- lolprog [~let@94-225-44-126.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:23:35 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:26:12 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 21:26:43 anyone used 'lisp500' in 64bit mode, its crashing for me, my first guess is its got pointer assumptions for 32bit (from where it crashes, turning strings into its objects) 21:27:55 (gcc -m32 isn't working ..) 21:29:29 orangepnut [~cody@fl-184-4-188-163.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 21:29:29 -!- orangepnut [~cody@fl-184-4-188-163.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:29:29 orangepnut [~cody@unaffiliated/orangepnut] has joined #lisp 21:29:41 ah fixed it 21:30:03 sabalaba [~Adium@2602:306:cfc8:8c30:7965:737e:99ff:ac3] has joined #lisp 21:30:26 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 21:30:42 Otherwise, I ran it without problem on 64-bit gentoo AFAIR. 21:31:19 (ok to compile 32bit, i had to get gcc-multilib) 21:31:35 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:31:54 hmmm. 21:32:20 works now, but from what i could see it was doing all sorts of pointer arithmetic, a hash attempt was crashing 21:32:31 i had sizeof(int)=4 sizeof(void*)=8 21:32:32 But indeed, with -m32: gcc -o lisp500 -m32 lisp500.c -ldl -lm 21:32:43 ah ok same. 21:33:29 foeniks [~fevon@vpn11.hotsplots.net] has joined #lisp 21:34:17 i guess no one is going to want to use lisp500 on a 64bit system.. 21:34:27 or rather 64bit data-set 21:35:40 -!- caoliver [~chatzilla@24-236-215-112.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 21:35:42 It might be nice to upgrade it to be able to work on any word size, but otherwise, if you're on a 64-bit machine, you probably want more from a lisp system than what lisp500 can provide, both in terms of memory management and in terms of compiler optimizations. 21:36:14 yeah thats what i though. let me see how far my attention span goes 21:36:52 learn the code by fixing that :) .. or go and learn F# 21:37:48 why do you want to use lisp500? 21:38:24 a small embedable lisp ? 21:38:39 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:38:40 being a very small sourcebase it might be easy to customize 21:38:43 lisp500 is embeddable? 21:38:45 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:39:29 here's where you tell me there's other lisps that are easier to embed in a c program i guess 21:39:36 ecl is embeddable... 21:39:58 ah the "e" stands for .. 21:40:07 ok 21:42:36 -!- foeniks [~fevon@vpn11.hotsplots.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:43:02 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:43:35 -!- ncw [~ncw@host86-184-78-118.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:38 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Quit: http://www.cyphase.com/] 21:44:30 ncw [~ncw@host86-184-78-118.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 21:44:58 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@82.208.57.182] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:45:31 lisp500 doesn't appear to parse floats 21:46:49 seems to parse them perfectly: ? (+ 1 3.4123456e5) --> ;0: 341236 21:46:56 only it converts them to integers. 21:47:03 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.48] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:47:06 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 21:48:08 still complaining for me 21:48:33 (+ 1 3.142e4) ... Cell FLOAT not bound ... i did run it loading "init500.lisp" 21:48:59 i got this off google code ; perhaps its diverged. it says its been reformated to make it readable 21:49:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:52:04 -!- Bike [~Glossina@207-224-16-147.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:53:32 VieiraN [~VieiraN@189-46-159-143.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #lisp 21:56:30 sbenitezb [~sbenitezb@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 21:57:45 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:58:49 weird. it *does* handle floats. but *not* if i load "init500.lisp" 21:59:25 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 22:00:55 -!- sbenitezb [~sbenitezb@186.136.23.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:01:07 sbenitezb [~sbenitezb@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 22:03:26 same result here after load init500. ? 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22:53:06 wbooze: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_by_by.htm 22:53:09 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:53:33 no i read it but i don't get it 22:54:00 specifically what did you not get? 22:54:37 i have code here which enables cyrillic input and does add some (ldb (byte 2 13) state) to some xlib function or so here and i don't know what the magic is.... 22:54:57 where does the 13 come from ? 22:55:31 ok i seen him use (keysym 6 '#blah) or so for the cyrillic part 22:55:31 from length of whatever stuff it loads from 'state' 22:56:10 wbooze: ldb extracts some bits out of an integer number. byte is used to specify the size and position of the bits to extract 22:56:14 i know that 6 is the cyrill input method, but dunno about what 13 would mean or if i would have to alter it in case of another input method.... 22:56:43 wbooze: so 2 and 13 come from the specification of the binary format that you're dealing with. 2 is the length of the bit field, 13 is the position. 22:57:18 wbooze: as usual, it helps to follow some of the clhs references and to also try out some things on the repl. 22:57:25 so 2 bits for the char width 22:57:30 if you want 22:57:44 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m90-141-50-89.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 22:57:55 and 13 is the field in the card16 struct or so 22:57:59 ahah 22:58:05 erm bit 22:58:17 yep ok, so i don't change that 22:58:34 bleh, thank you man 22:58:55 just talking with you got me there.... 22:59:17 uh? what's it you're dealing with? 22:59:41 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:59:50 enabling xkeyboard extension on clx for mcclim ? 23:00:11 -!- poindontcare [~user@c-50-131-221-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:13 i don't feel guilty to have you deal with that :) 23:00:22 erm 23:00:27 poindontcare [~user@c-50-131-221-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:00:30 nvm xkb stuff yes 23:04:33 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:05:26 H4ns: by "there" he means "having ldb understood", not enabling xkyeboard 23:06:12 antonv: ah, thanks for clarifying. 23:06:47 xpoqz [~xpoqz@203.80-203-124.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 23:07:55 -!- Guest29702 [~xubuntu@186.34.174.223] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 23:08:05 -!- Natch [~Natch@c-1dcce155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:08:47 -!- robde [~robde@p5085BD74.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Bye.] 23:09:01 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-145-245.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:09:08 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-145-245.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:09:23 -!- slilo [~user@host-94-251-99-133.bbcustomer.zsttk.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:10:15 Natch [~Natch@c-1dcce155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 23:11:14 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:13:17 -!- keltvek [~keltvek@89-212-113-105.static.t-2.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:13:47 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-37-19-235.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:14:07 kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-37-19-235.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:14:10 -!- ncw [~ncw@host86-184-78-118.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:14:39 -!- justicefries [~justicefr@c-24-9-171-36.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:14:49 mwolfe [~mwolfe@99-32-248-91.uvs.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:16:02 keltvek [~keltvek@89-212-113-105.static.t-2.net] has joined #lisp 23:17:30 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:21:41 -!- dfox [~dfox@rei.ipv6.dfox.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:23:40 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A3FB2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:24:03 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:26:06 -!- mwolfe [~mwolfe@99-32-248-91.uvs.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net] has left #lisp 23:29:07 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:31:47 Bike [~Glossina@207-224-16-147.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:35:10 jji [~jji@c220-239-125-8.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 23:35:10 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 23:35:22 nha_ [~prefect@koln-5d8174ee.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 23:35:57 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:37:52 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-5d816c34.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:38:27 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-128-165.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:40:28 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:40:54 -!- saschakb [~skbierm@gateway/tor-sasl/saschakb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:41:37 saschakb [~skbierm@gateway/tor-sasl/saschakb] has joined #lisp 23:43:09 null- [~null-@unaffiliated/null-] has joined #lisp 23:44:12 dfox [~dfox@89.177.105.49] has joined #lisp 23:44:39 And here is the all "mirror" I have of paste.lisp.org ftp://ftp.informatimago.com/pub/lisp-mirrors/paste.lisp.org--20110530.tar.bz2 23:45:20 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:45:25 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:47:33 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:48:55 paul0 [~paul0@189.114.197.90.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 23:49:07 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:54:00 -!- saschakb [~skbierm@gateway/tor-sasl/saschakb] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:54:34 ftp? not gopher? 23:54:53 mwolfe [~user@99-32-248-91.uvs.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:56:04 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]