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No matter what :type argument I supply to asdf:make-build, it says "In COMPILE-FILE-PATHNAME, the type LIB is unsupported." 01:22:33 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:22:37 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:23:30 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:24:19 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has joined #lisp 01:25:41 It looks like the error is in ECL's version of asdf:operate, but my slime doesn't have a source location for that function 01:25:54 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 01:28:55 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 01:29:45 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:29:46 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 01:33:25 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has left #lisp 01:34:20 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:34:58 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@101.169.123.146] has joined #lisp 01:36:20 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:39:11 -!- karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:44:11 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 01:45:03 triliyn: i don't know, sorry, but the mailing list is always helpful 01:46:38 matt_d [~user@2001:470:1f05:776:e5f0:ab23:789f:4642] has joined #lisp 01:47:18 Tedl [~tedl@99-67-233-232.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:48:10 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Quit: o7] 01:48:27 Xach: okay, thanks 01:49:25 karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 01:50:59 -!- matt_d [~user@2001:470:1f05:776:e5f0:ab23:789f:4642] has left #lisp 01:51:48 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:52:05 harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-ltrkflhsemcbwppp] has joined #lisp 01:55:10 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 01:55:17 Xach: sorry, but how do I find the mailing list? The website says http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=30035, but that seems to just be a redirect to their github page 01:56:04 https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ecls-list 01:56:27 Thanks 01:57:04 -!- godseyeview [~godseyevi@99-14-26-190.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:00:07 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:00:58 sbcl keeps whining about missing asdf-install binaries when I launch it. how do I get rid of it? 02:01:29 lide: can you lisppaste the exact message? 02:01:33 -!- karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:53 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:02:23 it says asdf-binary-locations not found, but that's not the problem, I want to tell sbcl not to load it :) 02:02:31 -!- Tedl [~tedl@99-67-233-232.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has left #lisp 02:02:41 or is there a reason not to ? 02:03:06 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it directly without writing second line? 04:39:24 "make funtion dolist"? What does that mean? 04:39:30 <|3b|> FORMAT can iterate over lists, so you could avoid using DOLIST if you wanted to 04:40:03 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1168074916.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 04:40:08 Bike: sorry, I meant using macro DOLIST 04:40:21 thanks |3b| 04:40:26 What's wrong with dolist? 04:40:58 I was just curious to know that if we can or can't :) 04:41:11 (defun dump-db () (map nil (formatter "~{~a:~20t~a~%~}~%") *db*)) would work, I think 04:41:26 But the function is going to have to iterate over *db* somehow. 04:41:52 <|3b|> (format t "~{~{~a:~10t~a~%~}~%~}" *db*) might work 04:41:59 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:42:24 -!- jjkola [~androirc@212-226-74-113-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:42:33 Ohh I still don't know "map", I'm neophyte to lisp. BTW thanks Bike, |3b| :) 04:43:27 I just don't understand your intent. You're going to be iterating over *db* somehow, whether it's dolist or whatever else doesn't seem important. 04:43:32 <|3b|> Bike: don't think function returned by FORMATTER takes the right arguments to use like that 04:43:57 <|3b|> Bike: i'm guessing intent is just to explore what is possible while learning 04:44:01 oh yeah, you have to give it a stream too. 04:44:28 you could make it even more ridiculous by currying t I suppose 04:44:47 :S 04:45:21 I didn't mean the map nil thing as a thing you should actually do, just to be clear. dolist is fine. 04:46:07 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.129.94.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:46:30 -!- junhao [~user@c-68-39-255-80.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:46:30 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:46:54 hmm 04:46:57 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:47:32 <|3b|> MAP would be a reasonable way to 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07:14:00 didi: if you know the exact version of SBCL on the client machine, i think it does 07:14:20 didi: but the format can change across versions, it's not as standardized like bytecode IIUC 07:14:57 madnificent: I see. 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09:09:29 doomlord [~ceti331@host81-157-102-115.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 09:09:59 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #lisp 09:10:07 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 09:12:13 I'm guessing the best way to install a system wide library is to put it inside `/usr/share/foo' and add a entry to `/etc/common-lisp/source-registry.conf.d/'. 09:13:05 Although `/usr/share/foo/' might be debatable. 09:13:21 didi: how does what you try to do interact with quicklisp? 09:13:47 H4ns: Quicklisp is aware of system instalations. 09:13:58 where will the fasls be stored? 09:14:13 (in the home-dir of the user, i presume) 09:14:13 madnificent: That I don't know. 09:14:18 -!- bitonic [~user@027cae25.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:14:26 didi: you mean that quicklisp loads whatever asdf is configured to load, yes 09:15:02 didi: but that is not my question. quicklisp loads libraries that can be compiled together. adding system-defined libraries to the mix is bound to cause problems. 09:15:05 -!- Mazingaro [~Tetsuja@host57-4-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:15:22 H4ns: That's a problem we have to solve then. 09:15:26 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:15:33 didi: if you insist on marrying lisp libraries to your operating system's package management system, you'd better marry quicklisp to your operating system 09:15:47 H4ns: That would be awesome. 09:15:49 I agree. 09:16:19 didi: i'm not sure if it is a worthwhile idea, but at least if you try to do something in that respect, look at how successful these attempts where with other languages that have their own package management system 09:16:38 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:16:38 didi: like ruby (gems), perl (cpan), node (npm) 09:16:41 didi: i would like that too. it could 'fix' lisp on distributions. even if the distribution would be tied to the quicklisp version which was available at the time, it would work a gazilion times better than what we have now. 09:17:00 H4ns: Various languages have their own package managers and also many applications that are written in those languages are installed in my system. 09:17:14 H4ns: or better: like making real packages from whatever quicklisp needs to install. it's 'just' a bridge between the package manager and quicklisp. 09:17:15 didi: i can tell you, from experience, that in the end, using the language specific package management system always worked better for me than trying to use what the operating system have to offer. 09:17:19 H4ns: They both coexist. 09:18:02 didi: first advice we give here, if someone comes with package install problems, is to uninstall anything that their operating system had in terms of lisp libraries and use quicklisp. 09:18:24 didi: and that advice, in all due respect, is not congruent with your effort. 09:18:28 apt-get install drakma; or emerge -av drakma; sound interesting to me. 09:18:42 madnificent: sounds like being bound to fail for me 09:18:48 H4ns: why? 09:19:40 madnificent: because as soon as i use some library that the system does not have, using quicklisp, i'll likely have conflicts with what the system has installed and what quicklisp wants as prerequisite. 09:19:42 H4ns: thing is: users use what their package manager offers when they're learning a language. they're not too sure about everything. having a better integration with what they'll have by default doesn't sound all that bad. 09:20:02 H4ns: no, i want that thing to go to quicklisp! 09:20:05 madnificent: an idea that does not work in practice is a bad idea. 09:20:11 loke [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 09:20:15 there are no bad ideas, only bad people 09:20:17 madnificent: ah, i see. 09:20:18 H4ns: as in: the package manager makes the call to the quicklisp release of the time. 09:20:41 for a polyglot programmer it's really annoying having to learn a different package manager for each language 09:20:51 madnificent: that does not sound as bad as an idea. as i said, if such a thing is to work, it'd rather use quicklisp. 09:21:01 df_: it is annoying, but it is also a fact. 09:21:01 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:21:07 H4ns: it might just be a (currently) badly implemented idea 09:21:27 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:22:21 i kind of lack the imagination how apt (or emerge, or port) should learn all the package names in quicklisp so that i could install every package that is in quicklisp using them 09:22:42 export everything from quicklisp and import it to the package manager database? 09:23:00 H4ns: i recon. i suggest didi solves that :) 09:23:09 didi: enjoy 09:23:15 Go didi! 09:23:18 Go me! 09:23:23 minion: shant! 09:23:26 does torturing a poor bot with things beyond its comprehension please you? 09:23:51 ah well, go didi it is 09:24:02 heheheh. 09:24:10 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 09:24:13 well, although I'm glad with quicklisp I'd like to have quicklisp releases being imported in debian packages ... perhaps as a quicklisp.debian.org pool? 09:24:53 like the backports one... 09:25:46 hmmm, discussed since 2011 ... http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-common-lisp-devel/2011-September/002926.html 09:29:31 flip214: interesting 09:30:58 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:31:43 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:31:53 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:32:41 bubo [~bubo@91.224.149.58] has joined #lisp 09:34:20 add^_ [~add^_@m90-130-63-206.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 09:38:37 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has 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It might be not too hard. Open an implementation, try to load it and return 0 or 1. 15:42:32 didi: do you mean "package" in the CL sense? 15:42:38 Xach: Yes. 15:43:34 kanru` [~kanru@kanru.info] has joined #lisp 15:43:41 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-131-169.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:43:57 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-157-95.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:45:16 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-205-234.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:45:32 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-209-176.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45:51 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-95.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:47:12 ikki [~ikki@189.247.91.46] has joined #lisp 15:47:15 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:47:42 -!- agumonkey [~agu@235.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:48:12 didi: then which package? How will you configure from where you're loading? 15:48:27 drewna` [~user@unlv-nat-131-216-14-38.dhcp.unlv.edu] has joined #lisp 15:48:34 Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has joined #lisp 15:48:46 p_l|backup: What do you mean? 15:48:47 autoconf is really for source-based deployment of C apps using braindamaged workarounds and ugliest choice for scripting ever 15:49:34 maybe if you have C that's somehow dependent on lisp 15:49:37 didi: the source of a lisp package can be installed anywhere. Even not at all. You may use require, load, asdf or quickload to (down)load it. 15:49:48 vert2 [vert2@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-vrdjkjtufxaqfrbs] has joined #lisp 15:49:57 for require with a single argument, asdf and quickload, you need some configuration. 15:50:19 (need or can provide) 15:50:27 Oh, ASDF has places to look for it as I understand it correctly. 15:50:40 if* 15:50:40 Yes, and require and quicklisp too. 15:50:47 Nice. 15:50:58 didi: why are you doing this..? 15:51:20 quicklisp already does the job of autoconf. 15:51:33 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:51:36 oGMo: To write Lisp applications. 15:51:41 quicklisp already does the job of autoconf. 15:51:44 didi: oh .. then don't do that heh 15:51:52 pjb: eh .. asdf more does the job of autoconf 15:51:53 oGMo: But I like Lisp... 15:51:59 :^( 15:52:00 didi: then embrace it. 15:52:05 H4ns: I am. 15:52:21 didi: no. you try to assimilate it into your world. 15:52:22 didi: i mean, don't use autoconf. it's entirely unnecessary. just write your asdf description and that does it all. 15:52:38 tensorpudding [~michael@108.87.18.210] has joined #lisp 15:53:35 oGMo: Ah, but think about this: you got my foo.tar.gz and now want to use it. 15:53:44 asdf is autoconf, make, install, and load. quicklisp is distribution. 15:53:50 didi: well, you should be submitting to quicklisp! 15:53:59 oGMo: You don't know Lisp. 15:54:01 didi: quicklisp gets the tar balls itself, and installs them itself. 15:54:10 didi: if you need to distribute a tarball, it has the ASD .. you simply symlink that to your *central-repository* and asdf does the rest. 15:54:18 oGMo: Yeah. 15:54:21 oGMo: right? 15:54:26 didi: if you want to use a library or program not in quicklisp distribution, just untar it in ~/quicklisp/local-projects and go on with ql:quickload. 15:54:35 -!- antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:54:55 didi: what does the application do? 15:55:02 didi: oh .. if you're distributing something you just want someone to run, you just need a shellscript .. put the cwd in *central-repository* and go 15:55:11 oGMo++ 15:55:36 but you don't want or need autoconf 15:55:43 snits [~snits@inet-hqmc07-o.oracle.com] has joined #lisp 15:55:55 oGMo: You might. My application depend on a foreign library, for example. 15:56:30 itym incf! 15:56:33 ;) 15:57:13 didi: only if you need to compile C, and that's separate. CFFI manages loading the shared libs. 15:57:17 gerred [~justicefr@50-76-131-66-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:57:26 oGMo: cffi-grovel 15:57:28 (if you only need to grovel, cffi does that too obviously) 15:57:29 didi: quicklisp may not be the way to package a stand alone application to be distributed and integrated in a system. 15:57:34 didi: again, cffi does that 15:58:22 m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.234.188] has joined #lisp 15:58:25 -!- justicefries [~justicefr@50-76-131-66-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:58:28 didi: for one thing, each user has his own quicklisp, with his own set of libraries and versions installed. Once you distribute your application, you're not here to maintain it when its dependencies change. So you want to distribute with your application all the lisp libraries/version it depends on too. 15:58:29 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:59:18 yeah of course you could always just dump the whole thing to a core and make an executable binary, but ;) 16:00:01 didi: once you have a stand alone source or binary system, you just have to package it according to the plateform you want to distribute it to: .deb on debian, .rpm on redhat, .ebuild on gentoo, .pkg on MacOSX, etc. 16:00:13 didi: said otherwise: it's totally independent from lisp. 16:01:16 can someone remind me where can I find the description of an approach to "regex" parser implementation that takes a "regex" and returns a parser function that is composed of other parser functions? 16:01:23 Again, if you distribute the source (and you must distribute the source if it contains GPL'ed code), then you must include all its lisp dependencies, you can't count on quicklisp, because libraries in quicklisp change every month. You have a bitrot half time of about one month! 16:01:32 ignas: cl-ppcre? 16:01:38 I can't manage to recall where I have read about it, so I can't explain the thing so google would understand me :) 16:01:48 pkhuong, I know the library, but it is just one example of usage of such a pattern 16:01:52 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02:04 -!- sellout42 [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:02:05 " 16:02:08 Using closures for code generation" is a classic 16:02:09 and I want to look up the texts that describe the pattern itself :/ 16:02:19 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:24 ahh 16:02:24 agumonkey [~agu@235.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 16:02:36 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:02:48 -!- robonyankitty [~mechanyan@li125-243.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:03:03 pkhuong, thanks, you are awesome :) 16:03:11 pjb: You're describing dynamic libraries. And we work with them in Linux. We might do the same thing with Lisp. Even better if we somehow integrate Quicklisp with Debian. 16:03:16 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:03:20 -!- agumonkey [~agu@235.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:03:34 pjb: Au contraire 16:03:38 didi: integration of quicklisp would be no good. 16:03:51 Xach: what? You implemented multi-version dependencies? 16:04:01 mechanyancat [~mechanyan@li125-243.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 16:04:14 You implemented system-wide quicklisp instead of ~/quicklisp ? 16:04:15 pjb: You can go back to any prior version of the quicklisp dist and the libraries will be consistent peers of each other 16:04:38 And then when you run application A you break application B? 16:04:40 If you want a snapshot of the world of CL in June, 2011, you can use that for your code, and it will not change. 16:04:51 Xach: Awesome. 16:05:00 That's why I mean by "you must include all its lisp dependencies". 16:05:28 pjb: But "you can't count on quicklisp" does not go with that. 16:05:38 ok. 16:05:43 duko [~duko@static-71-177-221-121.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:05:51 You can use Quicklisp to obtain all those dependencies (lazily if needed) 16:05:55 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 16:06:38 Is it a documented feature? 16:06:54 pjb: I have written about it on the blog and mention it sometimes during release announcements 16:07:13 http://blog.quicklisp.org/2011/08/going-back-in-dist-time.html is the most documentation available now 16:07:45 Ok. I don't consider blogs as documentation or reference material. But that's just my age that's showing I guess. 16:08:03 pjb: Me neither. I would like to write a proper manual, but until then, that is the best info available. 16:08:35 -!- hiredman [~hiredman@ip67-152-53-125.z53-152-67.customer.algx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:08:38 ok. Thanks. 16:09:00 -!- bitonic [~user@vm-shell1.doc.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:01 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:10:03 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:10:04 hiredman [~hiredman@ip67-152-53-125.z53-152-67.customer.algx.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:21 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 16:11:25 Someone advised me to care about concurrency for the good of my career. 16:11:53 since I'm writing something with CL that could benefit from concurrency I would like to know what people here think about this 16:12:03 I am basically ignorant about concurrency 16:12:19 and maybe this is an indicator that I should not worry about this 16:12:37 I did find this link while googling: http://www.indiegogo.com/SBCL-Threading-Improvements-1 16:12:39 There was a parallel lisp once. 16:12:54 Somebody should write a lisp targetting cuda. 16:13:00 -!- paolo_m [~user@2-228-95-110.ip190.fastwebnet.it] has left #lisp 16:13:13 pjb: do you think it will happen? 16:13:25 and should I try porting my project to clojure? 16:13:31 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6047098/any-lisp-extensions-for-cuda 16:13:35 Eventually, all language will have to work for GPUs. 16:14:12 -!- kanru` [~kanru@kanru.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:14:24 duko: seen lparallel? 16:14:26 there's cl-cuda, is that not sufficient? 16:14:48 (i'm not asserting that it is) 16:14:48 concurrency isn't parallelism. 16:15:08 as I said, I am basically ignorant 16:15:10 agumonkey [~agu@235.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 16:15:15 I don't know if these things are adequate 16:15:57 but I know that I can learn about them and use them if the right software is available to me when I need it 16:16:08 duko: there's libraries for common lisp to do just about every popular type of concurrency. 16:16:15 slash parallelism 16:16:43 ok thank you 16:16:46 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:17:24 lparallel, eager-future, chanl, various implementations of erlang-style concurrency, cl-stm 16:17:26 just to mention a few. 16:17:45 the advantage of using CL is that you'll be able to use a wider variety of them (to learn them all) in a single language. 16:18:13 -!- kpal [~kpal@janus-nat-128-240-225-120.ncl.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:21:14 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:24:01 jamie- [~prep@31.45.222.48] has joined #lisp 16:24:17 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:25:32 I am typing this in a single line: (ql:quickload :foo) (foo:something) (in-package :foo) 16:25:58 it works fine, I am in chess package, but when I type the next line I get transfered back to the old package (in my case CL-USER). why is that? 16:26:04 i am in foo package even 16:27:50 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:31:41 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:32:25 jamie-: Are you using SLIME? 16:32:36 jamie-: I don't see this behavior here. 16:33:46 yes slime 16:34:07 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:34:20 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:34:50 Is it expected behaviour that I can't specialise a method by KEYWORD in SBCL? 16:35:18 naryl: KEYWORD is a type, not a class. 16:35:19 slime inspector says SYMBOL is a BUILT-IN-CLASS but KEYWORD is not. 16:35:29 Ralith [~ralith@d142-058-014-108.wireless.sfu.ca] has joined #lisp 16:35:40 the spec even says as much. 16:35:56 So this https://github.com/gordon-quad/chipmunk-wrapper/blob/master/shape.lisp#L11 16:36:03 Shouldn't work in confirming implementations? 16:36:13 *conforming 16:36:22 may or may not. The code isn't conforming. 16:37:13 jamie-: For example, (ql:quickload :alexandria) (alexandria:emptyp nil) (in-package :alexandria) works as expected here. 16:38:26 NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has joined #lisp 16:38:36 Joreji [~thomas@72-142.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 16:39:30 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 16:40:24 -!- coldnew [~user@27.105.0.126] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:41:07 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@170.86.15.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:43:39 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:44:57 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:45:53 -!- Joreji [~thomas@72-142.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:48:53 duko: Here is a somewhat easy to digest intro to parallel computing: https://computing.llnl.gov/tutorials/parallel_comp/ 16:49:13 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-37-19-235.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:49:15 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 16:49:34 kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-37-19-235.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:49:37 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-155-193-40.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:50:11 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 16:51:08 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-155-193-40.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:51:19 didi ok I will try to upgrade SLIME, I am using a pretty old version 16:52:02 jamie-: Don't forget to use the same versions for SLIME and swank. It can cause problems. 16:52:30 how can I seek to the end of a file? 16:52:42 remote: two-arg version of FILE-POSITION 16:52:43 (file-position stream (file-length stream)) 16:53:00 pjb: bogus. use :end. 16:53:03 However, on a text file file-length may return nil. 16:53:05 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:53:18 now I know you know that becasue you know lisp well but how can I find out this kind of thing easily? 16:53:18 There's no :end in conforming file-position. 16:53:22 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:53:34 pjb: why do you think that? 16:53:57 remote: lots of practice. 16:54:07 remote: lots of code reading, book reading, spec reading, code writing 16:54:16 this seems to be a hard part of learning the language 16:54:24 there is no royal road to proficiency 16:54:25 Xach: because I have clhs file-position open in the other buffer. 16:54:43 pjb: do you also have the glossary for "file position designator" open? 16:54:51 remote google for CLHS file position, it's first hit 16:55:04 I have never had great luck with google for things like this. 16:55:12 clhs file-position 16:55:12 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_file_p.htm 16:55:15 ok 16:55:16 Xach: I did not. Good tip (hint). Thanks. 16:55:18 You have to know the terminology to get good results, and when you know, you know how to look directly. 16:55:29 yes 16:55:38 pjb: I will write about it! 16:55:43 that is true 16:55:47 pjb: i only learned it in the last 12 months or so 16:56:12 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:57:05 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:57:05 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:57:36 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 16:57:59 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 17:00:18 -!- gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:00:37 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:02:16 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:03:13 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 17:03:51 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:03:57 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:05:56 -!- agumonkey [~agu@235.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:06:25 Demosthenes [~demo@mc62036d0.tmodns.net] has joined #lisp 17:09:07 pavelpenev: thanks 17:09:56 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 17:10:03 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 17:10:40 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:11:20 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 17:12:07 agumonkey [~agu@235.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 17:12:55 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-023-117.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:13:18 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:14:07 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:15:49 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 17:17:44 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:17:51 -!- agumonkey [~agu@235.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:18:21 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:19:00 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 17:20:24 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:21:07 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:23:27 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 17:23:32 -!- Ralith [~ralith@d142-058-014-108.wireless.sfu.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:24:06 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:24:22 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:25:32 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:26:24 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 17:27:15 killerbo1 [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has joined #lisp 17:27:18 Ralith [~ralith@d142-058-014-108.wireless.sfu.ca] has joined #lisp 17:27:20 agumonkey [~agu@235.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 17:28:47 -!- ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:30:13 -!- killerbo1 is now known as killerboy 17:30:37 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:31:35 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:32:34 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 17:35:56 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:36:32 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:36:52 why the fuck does lggr keep lagging 17:37:04 he has been joining quiting for weeks now 17:37:12 and no one is complaining about it 17:37:15 so annoying 17:37:16 What is lggr? 17:37:22 flooding this channel with garbage 17:37:36 the guy that keeps joing and leaving this channel 17:37:36 *Xach* has joins and parts ignored, never saw it 17:37:40 every 5 mins 17:37:49 you know your IRC client has an ignore feature 17:38:03 Probably best to ask lggr about it. 17:38:09 how 17:38:31 telepathy 17:38:31 first of all i am using webchat.freenode.net 17:38:33 /msg lggr Why do you keep joining and parting? 17:38:47 so im not using a client 17:38:50 -!- c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-osoofqnormwgdhxd] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:39:20 i mean arent u guys bothered by it? 17:39:36 resharpersux: like Xach, I have joins and parts on ignore. 17:39:44 remote: I would guess that most people see it and don't care or have it ignored. 17:39:48 resharpersux, rather 17:39:49 the majority of messages in this channel are joins and parts anyway 17:39:54 -!- `fogus [~fogus@burke-matrex.d-a-s.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:40:08 ya 17:40:20 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:40:27 resharpersux: I'm more bothered by your flawed typing than I am by timeouts. 17:40:28 but when u are trying to talk and this thing keeps getting in between ur sentences 17:40:33 -!- gerred [~justicefr@50-76-131-66-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:40:35 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.35.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:40:50 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.35.111] has joined #lisp 17:40:51 justicefries [~justicefr@50-76-131-66-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 17:40:54 resharpersux: I agree that it would be nice if it didn't happen any more, I think the best way to achieve that is to talk to lggr about it. 17:41:15 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:41:27 ya 17:41:57 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:42:19 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-204-244-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 17:46:05 yeah I see it, if I look for it, perhaps the web based IRC client sends some sort of signal for "active" windows 17:46:17 in any case you should get a real IRC client 17:46:29 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:46:33 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:46:49 bitonic [~user@027cae25.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 17:47:21 Not really. 17:48:53 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:50:08 -!- agumonkey [~agu@235.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:52:04 -!- justicefries [~justicefr@50-76-131-66-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 17:52:52 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:53:11 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 17:55:27 -!- NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:56:56 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:57:20 i used to have a bip server running in my house to keep me logged into irc all the time 17:57:20 -!- jamie- [~prep@31.45.222.48] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:57:31 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@mc62036d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:57:32 but since i moved i've been lazy and just use irccloud.com 18:01:16 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:02:41 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:03:28 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:03:35 -!- iLogical is now known as basharTheGreat 18:03:39 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:04:10 agumonkey [~agu@235.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 18:04:24 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:05:28 any suggestions how to get cl+ssl to load correctly 18:05:46 fails to load libssl.so 18:05:50 -!- _tca_ is now known as _tca 18:06:13 OK, now I have a *very* crappy m4 macro to check for CL packages. That will do for now as m4 and shell is no fun at all. 18:06:26 zmyrgel: Do you have it installed? 18:06:27 if I give correct value ("libssl.so.17.1") it just spews bunch of "undefined symbol" lines 18:06:37 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:06:45 didi: yes, part of base install 18:06:57 didi: I have /usr/lib/libssl.so.17.1 18:07:40 the cl+ssl tries to load libssl.so.15.1 and libssl.so.16.0 which I don't have 18:07:47 Ah... 18:07:56 That might be the problem. 18:08:05 zmyrgel: base install of what? 18:08:13 Xach: OpenBSD 18:09:16 OpenBSD 5.1 (amd64) to be precise 18:09:45 nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-219-129-59.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 18:09:48 having issues with ncurses package too but I'd like the cl+ssl working first 18:11:07 zmyrgel: By the numbers, looks like a major bump. 18:11:39 evening 18:12:20 didi: yeah, but I'd assume it would work as it works just fine on my linux box 18:12:21 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:13:23 zmyrgel: That's interesting. Is it the same version of libssl? 18:13:27 seems to be openssl 1.0.0f 18:13:54 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:13:55 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: brb] 18:14:04 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Client Quit] 18:14:30 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:14:47 didi: slackware -current seems to use 1.0.1 version 18:15:17 zmyrgel: That's openssl, right? What's the version of libssl? 18:16:12 brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:16:18 didi: isn't libssl part of openssl? 18:17:03 zmyrgel: I don't know. Maybe. But libraries normally have different version numbers from the applications. 18:17:35 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:17:40 didi: steps are taken by library writers to ensure compatibility from version to version. 18:17:42 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:18:02 pjb: Sure, but it looks like a major bump. 18:18:42 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.91.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:19:44 JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-211-58.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 18:21:17 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:22:11 slackware seems to use different versioning scheme 0.9.8 vs. 17.1 18:22:50 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.135.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:24:04 zmyrgel: Hehe, `pkg-config --version libssl' => 0.26 here (Ubuntu). I don't know. 18:24:51 gabnet [~gabnet@ACaen-257-1-99-198.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 18:24:56 OH, it might be pkg-config's version. 18:25:13 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:30:27 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:32:02 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:32:44 justicefries [~justicefr@50-76-131-66-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 18:36:00 uselpa [~uselpa@83.99.17.41] has joined #lisp 18:36:07 okflo [~user@93-82-157-44.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 18:36:09 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:36:54 -!- uselpa [~uselpa@83.99.17.41] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38:06 -!- bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has left #lisp 18:39:26 -!- okflo [~user@93-82-157-44.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has left #lisp 18:40:24 hswe [~hswe@blackhole.space150.com] has joined #lisp 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I guess SBCL 22:14:15 why may i ask? 22:15:16 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:16:06 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:18:15 -!- mstevens [~user@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:05 sellout42 [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:19:18 Orpheus: avalanche of different effects 22:19:46 different effects? 22:19:53 Orpheus: it's fast, it's got good library support and works well under linux (with threads, unicode etc.), which leads to more code being well supported on it 22:20:08 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:20:23 It's probably also one of the least problematic to use with SLIME - historically at least, CLISP used to have some issue with SLIME - I don't know if they are still current 22:20:46 also, note that official release of CLISP didn't happen in long time (though unlike GCL, the project is not dead) 22:21:35 i see 22:21:39 thanks 22:23:58 -!- alama [~textual@stgt-5f7170db.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:24:17 urandom__ [~user@p548A1E14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 22:25:41 sabalaba [~Adium@c-67-180-195-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:26:06 I could be wrong, but I don't think CLISP optimizes tail calls. 22:26:24 postfuturist: it does. 22:26:26 Does sbcl do? 22:26:35 antoszka: yes. 22:26:40 Cool. 22:26:57 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:27:07 Are there mainstream CL implementations that don't these days? I know it's not mandated by the spec. 22:27:31 ABCL, probably. 22:28:35 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:29:21 pkhuong: clisp blows up on really simple recursive function: http://pastebin.com/UtB2ziSx 22:30:52 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:30:58 postfuturist: compile it. 22:32:55 Fare: what about "Titles considered harmful."? 22:33:53 so CLISP only optimizes tail calls on compiled functions, and it apparently doesn't compile anything by default. 22:34:41 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has quit [Quit: gute nacht/good night/dobranoc] 22:34:41 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:14 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:36:08 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-47-254.cascadeaccess.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:36:08 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-47-254.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 22:37:55 -!- kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:38:12 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 22:38:38 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 22:38:42 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:39:04 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:17 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 22:40:54 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 22:41:55 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:48:33 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:50:22 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:54:21 ikki [~ikki@189.195.66.127] has joined #lisp 22:54:31 -!- sellout42 [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:54:59 -!- basharTheGreat [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:56:52 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:00:29 -!- doomlord [~ceti331@host81-157-102-115.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:00:55 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 23:03:32 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-147-102.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 23:03:46 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:09:57 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:10:37 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:13:45 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:14:13 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:16:04 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:20:27 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:21:00 wccoder [~wccoder@S01060026f3c6bad7.no.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 23:23:23 -!- Ralith [~ralith@d142-058-093-249.wireless.sfu.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:24:47 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:28:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:30:42 how much harder is it to code is lisp without emacs/slime? 23:31:26 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.150.233.160] has joined #lisp 23:31:43 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Quit: ] 23:33:04 Orpheus: emacs and slime are very supportive. 23:36:13 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:37:40 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 23:37:46 Orpheus, it's possible, but probably requires much more discipline. 23:38:10 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:38:17 as in, write tests early, run tests often. 23:39:15 [SLB]` [~slabua@host57-169-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 23:39:24 writing an article about your library may also tend to have debug it and clean it up a lot. 23:39:39 to have YOU debug it... 23:39:45 it's not gonna debug itself. 23:39:54 Orpheus: think of it less as being harder without .. it's probably not any harder than writing anything else without emacs/slime .. it's just so much easier than other things _with_ emacs/slime 23:39:59 Xach: when is the next quicklisp cut? 23:40:31 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 23:40:49 Orpheus, lest you use a magnet and a steady hand... you're writing with SOMETHING... so the question might be less emacs/slime vs nothing than emacs/slime vs something you have in mind. 23:41:05 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.149] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:41:06 i rather just do it all in nano 23:41:16 idk 23:41:30 justicefries [~justicefr@50-76-131-66-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 23:41:32 heh 23:41:34 i just want to learn lisp and create stuff 23:41:39 not bother with emacs 23:42:12 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:42:50 Orpheus, can nano balance parens? 23:43:12 balance parens? 23:43:27 Balance parens. 23:43:42 Not that emacs is THAT much different from nano for everyday use. 23:43:53 are you an advanced nano user? 23:44:02 findiggle1 [~kirkwood@50-194-56-154-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 23:44:06 i use it more then any text editor 23:44:29 not sure if you would consider me advanced though 23:44:36 AFAIR, it can't balance parens. 23:44:36 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178025755.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 23:44:50 why bother with hammers and saws and chisels and planes and lathes .. you've got a half-eaten shoe with an intact sole, and you just want to do some woodworking ;) 23:44:51 i got a copy of land of lisp and i just want to learn XD 23:46:28 land of lisp is fun 23:46:35 Fare: October 23:46:35 -!- postfuturist [~sgoss@chirashi.kavi.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:46:38 it's not all best practices, tho 23:46:46 Xach: just before ILC? 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Possibly on the 6th 23:46:58 or after? 23:47:01 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:47:07 ILC is on the 21st 23:47:18 I hope to be able to say "it's all in quicklisp" 23:47:58 any chance of seeing you there? 23:47:58 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:48:17 Fare: best practices? 23:48:30 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:48:43 Fare: no chance 23:48:51 ok. 23:49:45 *Fare* considers changing the title & intro considering where the paper went. Maybe it ought to have been two papers, after all, or three. 23:51:06 there's parametric polymorphism vs ad-hoc polymorphism, stafeful vs parallel, interface-passing vs object oriented. 23:51:24 stateful vs pure 23:51:36 I didn't tackle sequential vs parallel. 23:51:53 but yeah, maybe I should address that, too. 23:52:31 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.150.233.160] has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:53:24 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:55:19 *cmm* would find something like "let's disentangle identity, data type and dispatch from each other and see what happens" natural 23:56:16 FSVO "natural", I guess 23:56:29 but everything else sort of follows 23:57:21 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:58:53 -!- Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has quit [Quit: weil das Wetter so schön ist]