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I can see in the archive.lisp file cmucl is supposed to be "detected" and the correct parameters for System::FD-Stream will be set. In my case, I try to write to an archive and get a message about FD-Stream being an undefined function. 06:40:47 any reason for using cmucl? 06:41:22 I thought the documentation was pretty good 06:43:11 organixpear: you'll be better off with SBCL, a fork of cmucl 06:44:01 knew that was comming 06:45:06 teggi [~teggi@123.20.26.103] has joined #lisp 06:48:19 the mop not being thread safe is a bother 06:48:46 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:48:55 H4ns: what do you mean specifically? 06:49:22 stassats`: i mean that finalize-inheritance and class-finalized-p lead to thread-unsafe code 06:50:02 stassats`: i.e. if i have some metaclass that uses the two in a thread-unsafe manner, i need to arrange for class finalization in the application manually. which kind of stinks. 06:51:54 H4ns: i don't think that anything is thread-safe in CL 06:52:12 stassats`: yes. this is kind of the larger problem. 06:52:20 so, you should rely on the goodwill of your implementation 06:52:40 stassats`: then i'm complaining about sbcl here :) 06:53:52 looks like sbcl is grabbing a world-lock on finalize-inheritance 06:54:20 stassats`: does this lock out calls to class-finalized-p? 06:55:13 don't think so, but why would you check class-finalized-p without the intention of calling finalize-inheritance? 06:56:27 -!- pskosinski [~pk@czu186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: http://www.redeclipse.net -- Fast-paced online FPS] 06:56:40 pskosinski [~pk@czu186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 06:57:18 stassats`: i would not. but i see the effect that apparently class-finalized-p is set even though the class is not fully finalized when i start a bunch of threads that use class-finalized-p/finalize-class 06:57:19 pdponze [~pierre@37.0.45.21] has joined #lisp 06:57:37 (this is with postmodern and dao classes) 06:58:21 is there anyway someone could help me modify archive to work with a development build of cmucl? 06:58:45 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:58:56 organixpear: if "help" is something other than "fix it for you" then yes. 06:59:22 organixpear: only if it's not for cmucl 06:59:53 H4ns: i would love a test-case 07:00:50 stassats`: i can understand that, but i fear i need to make progress on my problem right now. 07:01:39 if you know all your classes ahead of time, you can just finalize their inheritance at once 07:02:12 stassats`: i'll (finalize-all-subclasses (find-class 'pomo:dao-class)) 07:02:43 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:03:21 at first i feared that i'd have to list the classes explicitly, but finalizing all subclasses is just right. 07:04:11 xonox [~xonox@dynamic2-248-029.usc.edu] has joined #lisp 07:05:31 is iolib.syscalls intended to be used by external code? (ie is there an expectation that the api is stable?) 07:06:41 it uses posix syscalls, as long as the posix doesn't change 07:11:29 -!- sambio [~sam@190.57.227.107] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 07:12:16 -!- WzTian [~WzTian@adsl-76-200-130-250.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:19:26 asvil [~asvil@178.121.11.179] has joined #lisp 07:26:28 -!- organixpear [~organixpe@96-42-14-128.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:38:54 jewel [~jewel@196-215-139-123.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:41:29 francogrex [~user@109.130.94.167] has joined #lisp 07:43:42 a number is represented in a file I have as 1.47634d7, (format t "~S" 1.47634d7) -> 1.47634d7 [no good] , (format t "~F" 1.47634d7) -> 14763400.0, [also no good], what me wants: (format t "~???" 1.47634d7) -> 14763400 07:44:34 (format t "~a" (floor 1.47634d7))? 07:44:50 (format t "~a" (truncate 1.47634d7 0.1)) 07:45:10 s/0.1// 07:46:24 ok, thanks. so there is no format directive, one has to manipulate the number itself... but fine 07:47:27 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-3-7.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:47:31 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-148-156.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:47:58 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:49:29 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 07:49:37 -!- rootlocus [~rootlocus@124-149-121-174.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:51:24 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.94.167] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:52:41 impulse [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-2925079134.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 07:56:06 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: pnpuff] 07:57:13 m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.228.109] has joined #lisp 07:58:03 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Quit: ] 07:59:54 -!- Bike [~Glossina@63-230-173-253.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: dead] 08:01:28 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-022-215.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 08:02:54 kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 08:03:25 -!- n00b6502 [~ceti331@host81-157-102-115.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:09:33 -!- xonox [~xonox@dynamic2-248-029.usc.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:11:44 Is it possible to do something like (defmethod (setf value) ((keyw (eql (compute-keyw-list))) (place place-class)) ...)? I want to allow just a certain set of keywords to be `setf'ed. 08:12:10 didi: not with standard method combination 08:12:24 didi: you can either generate multiple method or use a custom method combination. 08:12:26 you just want to check them? 08:13:01 No. Just to allow a set of. Like (:foo :bar :baz) but not :quux. 08:13:23 so, you want to check for them 08:13:37 then just have (assert (member keyword '(:foo :bar :baz))) 08:13:52 Aaaah... 08:13:53 Nice. 08:13:58 stassats`: Thank you. 08:14:04 H4ns: And thank you too. 08:15:21 alternatively, (check-type x (member :foo :bar :baz)) 08:15:34 it may represent some type benefits 08:17:11 Cool. I'll use (check-type ...). 08:18:27 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-3-7.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:21:19 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Quit: brb, ow just fixed a bug in my mode parser] 08:21:31 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 08:22:48 pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 08:23:12 Actually, I'm going to use the (assert ...) one because I want to compute the keyword list and AFAICS (check-type ...) doesn't evaluate (member ...). 08:23:43 you want to compute it each time this function is called? 08:24:06 -!- Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-50-85.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:24:50 stassats`: No, just the first time I define it. 08:24:55 I see what you mean. 08:25:11 Hum... 08:25:31 Well, I guess it's not a big deal computing it every time. 08:25:43 It's just a lookup. 08:26:07 well, you can put it into a variable 08:26:32 - 08:26:55 stassats`: And use (deftype ...)? 08:27:19 depends on what you mean by "compute" 08:27:38 if it's known at compile-time, then yes, deftype would do 08:27:43 does your list of keywords constitute a "type"? 08:27:50 H4ns: Yes. 08:28:07 if it's not, then a variable + assert, and variable is initialized at run-time 08:28:34 H4ns: It's actually an enum. 08:29:24 but then, why are the enum members only known at run time? 08:29:38 H4ns: It's "groveled". 08:30:54 CFFI has this `foreign-enum-keyword-list' that returns a list of the enums. 08:31:19 didi: sounds like it would be available at compile time, too 08:32:20 Yeah. `deftype' is looking very tempting. I think I'll give it a shot. 08:33:45 note that even when you've defined it as a type, you cannot specialize a method on it. 08:34:48 H4ns: oic. Thanks for the warning. 08:36:04 but you can check-type it 08:47:08 woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 08:50:34 `check-type' seems to be working great. Thank you. 08:55:34 longlene [~loong0@112.3.253.27] has joined #lisp 08:59:08 agumonkey [~agu@235.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 09:03:37 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:04:37 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:05:34 eldar [~CLD@pppoe-220-199-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 09:08:46 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-218-96-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:13:39 punee [~punee@213-245-106-105.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 09:22:02 francogrex [~user@109.130.94.167] has joined #lisp 09:25:22 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:31:54 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 09:33:54 gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 09:34:02 something puzzels me (introduction and suspense...) 09:35:12 when I (defparameter *whatever* [BIG-LIST]... that big-list occupies a place and space in memory. How to deallocate this space without shutting the lisp system? 09:35:31 unintern? reset to nil ? 09:35:37 (setf *whatever* nil) 09:36:28 hmmm and in sbcl H4ns do you know how to find out in bytes how many thet *whatever* obj is taking? 09:36:32 H4ns: If you just unintern the symbol from your package, will it get gc'ed? 09:36:56 francogrex: there is no real way. you can look at (room) 09:37:03 ok 09:37:32 antoszka: yes. when you unintern the symbol, it will not reference that large object anymore and the object will then be gc'ed, unless other references exist. 09:37:47 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:38:39 example of (room): Dynamic space usage is: 46,574,016 bytes, Read-only space usage is: 2,888 bytes and then there is a breakdown for the dynamic space. it's useful 09:39:19 -!- Daisy [Daisy@host-78-78-215-214.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:39:31 after (gc) -> Dynamic space usage is: 33,983,048 bytes ... 09:41:15 would it be correct to say then that the system now occupies about 34 MB in the memory? 09:41:19 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-59-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:41:58 it would not be entirely wrong, for some value of "occupy" 09:42:09 cool 09:46:54 but it would not be entirely right either 09:47:15 -!- agumonkey [~agu@235.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:48:37 agumonkey [~agu@235.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 09:50:42 stlifey [~stlifey@116.26.30.67] has joined #lisp 09:51:09 tali713`` [~user@64.196.22.19] has joined #lisp 09:51:43 -!- tali713`` [~user@64.196.22.19] has quit [Client Quit] 09:52:09 how would you compare ccache to CL compilation? I mean in CL you have a single process compiling all the sources, and when you recompile a function you're just doing that, not the whole file, not running a linker, etc 09:52:25 cmm: my interest was to find out the mem space for a single object, but doing the diff before and after object is in (or out) is not going to be accurate since du-ynamic mem keeps changing for unobservable reasons 09:53:26 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 09:53:31 francogrex: there is no accurate way to measure the size of an arbitrary object in a portable fashion, and to my knowledge, most implementations do not provide that information in a non-portable fashion either 09:53:41 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@116.26.30.67] has quit [Client Quit] 09:53:49 francogrex: so what you can do is observe room to get a rough idea of memory usage. that is about it. 09:54:54 -!- pdponze [~pierre@37.0.45.21] has quit [Quit: pdponze] 09:55:00 in ecl though I'm thinking, if using GDB, there may be a way... tricky but 09:58:30 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:01:04 _d3f [~d3f@nl1.ovpn.to] has joined #lisp 10:04:17 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.94.167] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:05:34 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.61.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:06:33 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@178.74.75.19] has joined #lisp 10:07:46 add^_ [~add^_@m90-141-53-95.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 10:08:25 zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has joined #lisp 10:08:43 -!- asvil [~asvil@178.121.11.179] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:10:21 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-163-3.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 10:12:15 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:13:40 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:13:58 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:15:24 Daisy [Eile@host-217-214-234-99.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 10:19:53 morning 10:23:04 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 10:23:52 wbooze: morning! 10:26:03 <_d3f> good morning wbooze ^^ 10:28:43 -!- NimeshNeema [u2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kggluonihdgqhzuv] has quit [Excess Flood] 10:28:53 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:30:46 NimeshNeema [u2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yjyoxmlwajxxznlj] has joined #lisp 10:33:32 I'd like to get hexdump-style output of the memory at a CFFI foreign pointer for debugging purposes, is there any code out there that does that? 10:37:01 -!- pskosinski [~pk@czu186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 10:37:28 pskosinski [~pk@czu186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 10:37:36 df_: Not that I know, but mem-aref should be your friend 10:38:35 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 10:39:04 df_: here is some code that you could adapt: http://paste.lisp.org/display/131687 10:40:20 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:40:37 thanks, I'll have a go 10:42:38 kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-63-233.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 10:45:48 -!- Daisy [Eile@host-217-214-234-99.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:52:07 http://paste.lisp.org/display/131687#1 - looks good, thanks 10:53:07 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:54:58 (make-string ...) is not cool! 10:55:07 ~vt is cool 10:56:55 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 11:03:42 stassats`: What does the 'v' do? 11:04:00 clhs 22.3 11:04:00 Formatted Output: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/22_c.htm 11:05:08 stassats`: I was looking through that section, but I couldn't find it. (I am blind I know :-)) 11:05:30 search for "In place of a prefix parameter to a directive, V " 11:05:45 stassats`: Thanks. 11:06:36 - 11:06:54 + 11:09:25 rootlocus [~rootlocus@124-149-121-174.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 11:09:36 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 11:19:20 http://paste.lisp.org/display/131687#2 with ~t 11:20:52 ykm [~ykm@124.155.255.212] has joined #lisp 11:24:06 c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 11:25:09 even easier, with ~<: http://paste.lisp.org/display/131687#3 11:25:27 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:26:30 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 11:27:40 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:27:47 Is cl-fuse maintained? 11:27:58 minion: cl-fuse 11:27:58 cl-fuse: No definition was found in the first 5 lines of http://www.cliki.net/cl-fuse 11:28:15 hey, what happened to cliki! 11:28:24 it looks modern and ugly at the same time 11:28:34 lol 11:28:39 snapshot seems to be missing something. Like c library build instructions. :) 11:30:11 it only looks okish in firefox 11:32:07 razieliyo [~user@unaffiliated/razieliyo] has joined #lisp 11:32:15 hi 11:32:48 I would like to implement a path finding algorithm in lisp, and I'd like to show a grid with the maze so that I can see the path 11:32:59 which graphic lib would you recommend me? 11:33:08 it's a simple rendering 11:33:29 just a maze and a ball moving within it 11:33:32 razieliyo: lispbuilder-sdl is one option 11:33:39 pavelpenev: okay, thanks! 11:34:19 just make a gif! 11:34:24 oh man, i'm trying to clear my draw-pane here, but the input foucs is on the interactor always..... 11:34:31 wtf 11:34:36 minion: skippy? 11:34:36 skippy: No definition was found in the first 5 lines of http://www.cliki.net/skippy 11:34:47 minion: cliki? 11:34:47 cliki: No definition was found in the first 5 lines of http://www.cliki.net/cliki 11:34:51 haha 11:35:03 fuck, they broke cliki sufficiently for minion to have problems 11:35:03 minion: srsly 11:35:04 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``srsly''. 11:35:09 ahha 11:35:22 minion: wtf 11:35:22 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``wtf''. 11:35:58 minion: minion? 11:35:59 minion: No definition was found in the first 5 lines of http://www.cliki.net/minion 11:36:00 minion: finding my pennis 11:36:01 does torturing a poor bot with things beyond its comprehension please you? 11:36:04 lol 11:36:07 would you stop? 11:36:11 well, thanks for the help 11:36:12 bye! 11:36:15 -!- razieliyo [~user@unaffiliated/razieliyo] has quit [Client Quit] 11:36:31 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:36:35 leo2007 [~leo@216.185.105.36] has joined #lisp 11:36:35 -!- leo2007 [~leo@216.185.105.36] has quit [Excess Flood] 11:37:17 ?source does not work anymore, great 11:39:26 setmeaway [~setmeaway@119.201.52.168] has joined #lisp 11:39:40 Whitesquall [~notwhites@109.225.61.82] has joined #lisp 11:41:00 leo2007 [~leo@216.185.105.36] has joined #lisp 11:41:06 stassats`: I think you should ask archimag or/and vsedach about the new cliki. 11:42:15 hey 11:45:17 -!- zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:49:45 TylerLing [~tyler@125.125.243.30] has joined #lisp 11:50:11 -!- TylerLing [~tyler@125.125.243.30] has left #lisp 11:51:03 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 11:52:36 -!- woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:53:09 -!- leo2007 [~leo@216.185.105.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:57:09 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 11:58:35 Joreji [~thomas@77-23-116-225-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 12:00:40 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:53 woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 12:02:50 leo2007 [~leo@95.215.60.37] has joined #lisp 12:03:26 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-216-172-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 12:03:31 -!- eldar [~CLD@pppoe-220-199-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:05:30 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:06:41 oh man 12:08:23 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-23-116-225-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:08:33 wbooze: can you stop with your interjections? 12:09:28 NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has joined #lisp 12:09:33 -!- NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has left #lisp 12:10:17 -!- ykm [~ykm@124.155.255.212] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15:46 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-63-233.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:18:23 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-3-7.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 12:18:34 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 12:18:59 -!- leo2007 [~leo@95.215.60.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:19:27 yes, ok, but can you help me understand why the clearing of the pane does not work with this code and pic here http://picpaste.de/draw-frame1-35Ifdk2I.png http://paste.lisp.org/display/131678#1 12:20:08 it's told to find the named-pane and still the input focus is in the interactor, and it clears there.... 12:21:19 because it's broken? 12:21:47 meh 12:22:21 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@94.144.63.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:22:36 -!- PuercoPop [~PuercoPop@190.41.173.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:22:46 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-216-172-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:22:49 eldar [~CLD@pppoe-207-61-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 12:27:45 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-163-3.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:30:22 Whitesqu_ [~notwhites@109.225.61.82] has joined #lisp 12:30:22 -!- Whitesqu_ [~notwhites@109.225.61.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:36:57 Whitesqu_ [~notwhites@109.225.61.82] has joined #lisp 12:38:15 kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-63-233.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 12:38:21 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-239-239.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 12:38:32 stassats`: you're not helpful. Rather, you should point #lispcafe! 12:38:46 Hello 12:40:24 -!- Whitesqu_ [~notwhites@109.225.61.82] has left #lisp 12:40:31 -!- Whitesquall [~notwhites@109.225.61.82] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:41:51 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-163-3.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:41:52 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-163-3.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:43:58 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: mental vacuum] 12:44:25 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 12:44:35 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-163-3.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:48:22 pjb: Are you in #lispcafe? 12:48:29 pjb: Do you enjoy rambling dolts there? 12:49:44 clearly, there should be #lispconcentrationchannel 12:50:30 francogrex [~user@109.130.94.167] has joined #lisp 12:50:34 #lisplager? 12:51:10 right, and lure them in by saying it's about beer 12:51:18 mrSpec [~Spec@net-93-159-145-154.connected.pl] has joined #lisp 12:51:18 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@net-93-159-145-154.connected.pl] has quit [Changing host] 12:51:18 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 12:52:25 MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-156-72.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 12:52:36 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:57:04 zodiac1111 [~zodiac111@124.90.129.225] has joined #lisp 12:57:21 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-156-72.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: brb] 12:58:06 Xach: well, for now #lispcafe gets a better serious lisp dicussion / rambling dolts ratio than #lisp 12:59:11 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:04:39 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-3-7.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:04 Whitesquall [~notwhites@109.225.61.82] has joined #lisp 13:05:47 Is there a way to set an acceptor's document-root after starting hunchentoot? 13:06:23 -!- Whitesquall [~notwhites@109.225.61.82] has quit [Client Quit] 13:06:45 Kenjin: (setf (hunchentoot:acceptor-document-root *acceptor*) "/foo") maybe? 13:06:50 Whitesquall [~notwhites@109.225.61.82] has joined #lisp 13:06:58 Kenjin: you may want to have a look at the documentation. 13:07:19 H4ns: I've tried that. But isn't the *acceptor* only available in the context of a request? 13:07:38 MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-127-22.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 13:07:44 Kenjin: *acceptor* is a special variable that you need to define yourself. you can call it *foo*, too, if you like 13:07:47 you should save it 13:07:50 oh 13:08:01 strg [~strg@a89-182-23-97.net-htp.de] has joined #lisp 13:08:02 I thought I was set by hunchentoot. Thanks 13:08:42 well, hunchentoot:*acceptor* is set, but you need to save it yourself if you want to modify it outside of requests 13:08:43 Kenjin: hunchentoot binds hunchentoot:*acceptor* during request processing, but i'm talking about a special variable of your own making. 13:08:58 stassats`: that, frankly, is not the right direction 13:09:17 Kenjin: set your special variable to the acceptor that you create when you start hunchentoot. 13:09:20 hey, i'm saying the exact thing you're saying 13:09:36 -!- VieiraN [~VieiraN@189.110.154.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:10:46 I'm also trying to understand this behavior http://paste.lisp.org/display/131688 13:11:33 this is actually why I'm trying to set document-root 13:12:08 Kenjin: first off, you need to save the return value of make-instance somehow so that you can access the acceptor later on. 13:12:41 -!- Whitesquall [~notwhites@109.225.61.82] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:13:00 Whitesquall [~notwhites@109.225.61.82] has joined #lisp 13:13:20 thing is, I'm starting hunchentoot without saving the accessor in the heroku build pack and trying to set the root in my app. It's probably best I change the build pack to save the acceptor 13:13:41 Kenjin: or pass the document-root when creating the acceptor 13:13:55 Kenjin: i don't know why the pushed version does not work 13:14:10 interestingly enough, (hunchentoot:create-folder-dispatcher-and-handler "/t/" "/tmp/") works 13:14:13 but not / 13:14:43 maybe because there is some other handler dealing with /? 13:14:55 H4ns: the pushed version would solve my problem. I'm not fond of having the build pack needing another variable passed in to set the doc root 13:15:00 nope 13:15:26 stassats`: that's interesting. I did not think of trying that 13:15:29 Kenjin: i don't know anything about the build pack, so i can't help. 13:16:58 H4ns: No problem. Thanks. 13:17:01 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:17:32 drl_ [~lat@110.139.229.172] has joined #lisp 13:18:52 I assume there is no way to get a list of all acceptors? I don't see anything about that on the docs 13:19:03 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 13:19:23 Kenjin: hunchentoot does not store the acceptors. you need to do it if you want to keep them. 13:20:43 How do I find the bug in my code which caused this error message: Evaluation aborted on #. 13:21:06 drl_: first, you look at the backtrace 13:21:09 drl_: look in the debugger before aborting it 13:22:16 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 13:23:16 H4ns, stassats` thanks 13:23:33 i say it's a bug in hunchentoot 13:24:24 stassats`: how do i reproduce it? 13:24:30 pasting 13:25:06 H4ns and stassats` , thanks. I check this out more carefully in the morning. 13:25:11 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 13:25:49 H4ns: http://paste.lisp.org/display/131688#1 13:27:32 interesting, i'll look into fixing it. 13:28:00 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Client Quit] 13:29:24 mmmhhh. 13:29:24 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:29:42 *H4ns* looks at request-pathname in disgust 13:29:47 :) hehe 13:30:37 stlifey [~stlifey@116.26.30.67] has joined #lisp 13:30:57 H4ns: the easy fix is just to remove the first "" from the result of (ppcre:split "/" (url-decode (script-name request))) 13:32:40 no, does not work 13:32:46 stassats`: that does not fix the problem for me either 13:32:49 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 13:33:17 stassats`: the whole thing is so dense that i'm tempted to rewrite it from scratch 13:33:29 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-157-60.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:36:35 H4ns and stassats` , I found it. Thanks again! 13:36:47 and besides, are directory traversals in urls even useful? 13:37:09 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:37:14 i mean, does /../ have any defined semantics as a path component in http? 13:37:36 No. 13:37:42 It's up to the server. 13:37:43 that's what i thought. 13:37:45 H4ns: well, it's usually a good way to look where you're not supposed to look 13:38:07 ok, i'll drop that and rewrite the thing so that it can be understood. 13:38:09 but i guess it's better not to break backwards compatibility 13:38:25 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:38:32 stassats`: i'm not sure i agree 13:38:58 unless you can show that it's really harmful 13:39:17 stassats`: what's not documented is not a feature. 13:39:43 :) what it's documented? 13:39:56 i don't know what you'll win with removing it, but rewriting which might depend on it won't be fun 13:40:21 hm. 13:40:27 H4ns: but it clearly was an observable behaviour 13:41:29 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.94.167] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:41:45 ok. i'll keep the functionality but still rewrite it. 13:44:58 is there something I can change or should I way for the rewrite :) 13:45:06 /s/way/wait 13:45:18 -!- woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:45:23 i'll have this fixed in a while. 13:45:47 H4ns: Thanks. 13:46:25 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-5d81a9c6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:51:27 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-127-22.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:56:51 chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] has joined #lisp 13:59:03 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-022-215.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:59:15 Jubb [~ghost@pool-108-28-0-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:00:33 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:01:49 did anyone get at anytime a lisp/mcclim almost feature-complete almost bug-free setup yet ? 14:01:59 haha 14:02:07 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:02:38 ok that answers it..... 14:02:40 lol 14:03:23 i don't get why two defmethods add like that.... 14:03:39 stassats`, Kenjin: how's this as a fix: http://paste.lisp.org/display/131688#2 14:04:06 both are primary and none calls the other or anyother explicitly....yet the behaviour is as i added them 14:04:23 not what i thought of..... 14:04:53 cause i even got rid of the call-next-method things..... 14:04:59 wbooze: the reason why you're the only person in this channel talking about mcclim is that nobody else is trying to use it anymore. 14:05:45 H4ns: :end1 will falter if path is too short 14:05:59 ah, thanks 14:06:48 -!- Whitesquall [~notwhites@109.225.61.82] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:06:56 H4ns: so they use the full version of lispworks ide then ? 14:07:07 H4ns: or the franz one ? 14:07:15 Whitesquall [~notwhites@109.225.61.82] has joined #lisp 14:07:16 -!- iLogical is now known as Antidisestablish 14:07:29 wbooze: if they desire to actually use clim, yes. 14:07:29 -!- Whitesquall [~notwhites@109.225.61.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07:39 -!- Antidisestablish is now known as donaldDuck 14:07:49 and we are left with crap.... 14:07:49 from what i heard, they are not significantly less buggy 14:07:52 omg 14:07:57 wbooze: my advice is to learn html5 and wait for 10 years until I read all lisp machine papers and materials, and learn all about X and find the money to write clim 3000 super awesome next-gen. 14:08:07 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:08:15 H4ns: looks really neat, compared to the current version 14:08:17 wbooze: clim itself is far from being non-crap 14:08:22 heh you see 14:08:30 so, if you decided to use clim, you're doomed either way 14:09:04 dunno, am not sure in that respect.... 14:09:16 Kenjin: i think so, too. the major bother being the relatively complicated regular expression now, but the old one had one too. here's an update: http://paste.lisp.org/display/131688#3 14:09:23 they may have left it extra crappy.... 14:09:29 lol 14:11:02 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m90-141-53-95.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 14:11:04 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.20.26.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:11:17 i tried once to use the lispworks thing or allegro, and they worked ok too i think.... 14:11:32 it's just the personal versions won't give you all the features... 14:11:36 H4ns: the same goes for (char sanitized 0) 14:11:36 MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-127-22.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 14:11:58 images are restricted as well as evaluation times or so... 14:12:01 wbooze: capi? that shit is probably worth the money. 14:12:08 rdd [~rdd@c83-250-157-60.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 14:12:16 hmmm 14:12:18 H4ns: (test "/" "/") => Index 0 out of bounds for (SIMPLE-ARRAY CHARACTER (0)), should be nonnegative and <0. 14:12:19 stassats`: thanks again 14:12:35 (test "/" "/a") => The bounding indices 0 and 2 are bad for a sequence of length 1. 14:12:48 *wbooze* yawns 14:12:52 wbooze: in a nutshell: clim is not worth it. 14:12:58 although it won't be called like that 14:13:00 -!- strg [~strg@a89-182-23-97.net-htp.de] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 14:13:44 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 14:13:59 pavelpenev: you can use capi in the personal edition of LW 14:14:31 do you know how much you actually pay for a personal user full version ? 14:14:40 and, of course, who needs capi shmapi, when you have commonqt 14:14:46 wbooze: they have a price list. 14:14:53 oh didn't see that yet 14:16:13 fewwww 14:16:29 *stassats`* uses programs written using commonqt everyday 14:16:46 1200 euro 14:16:58 -!- zodiac1111 [~zodiac111@124.90.129.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:17:10 wbooze: It's a big boy system. 14:17:23 http://paste.lisp.org/display/131688#4 14:18:00 instead of returning nil when attempting to go beyond the root, the root's parent is now treated to be the root itself, like in unix 14:22:17 I'm in trouble: it's right to do: (ql:quickload "commonqt") ? - i get a strange error - Thanks for the appreciated help! 14:23:35 "Thanks for the appreciated help!" is indeed a strange error 14:26:20 stassats`: http://pastebin.com/VDTeuEvy . Thanks! :) 14:26:53 oh, of course, it's called "qt" 14:26:55 he forgot the install step 14:27:09 ? 14:27:30 H4ns: that seems to fix it 14:27:41 urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-213-34.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 14:27:44 Kenjin: thanks for testing 14:27:46 pnpuff: are you debian or ubuntu? 14:27:48 on 14:28:01 Why this happen? I'm a new quicklisp user. Tried to ask in #quiclisp but no response for now. 14:28:12 pnpuff: check out (ql:system-apropos "qt") 14:28:16 pnpuff: it's called "qt", i just told you 14:29:00 H4ns: btw, is there something I need to do when calling create-folder-dispatcher-and-handler to have hunchentoot pickup the index.html present in the path dir? 14:29:51 Kenjin: yes, you need a separate dispatcher and handler to connect index.html to the directory root 14:30:20 H4ns: oh, thanks. Didn't know that 14:30:21 Kenjin: that's probably not ideal, but i don't think i want to fix that right now. if you like, open an issue on github 14:30:58 H4ns: ;) So the intended default behavior should be to pick it up? 14:31:17 Kenjin: that is how most web servers work, so yes. 14:31:35 upstream commit: https://github.com/edicl/hunchentoot/commit/7af98731e8c1b41dc62d29fa3f81acdef3d119bd 14:31:52 H4ns: that's why I assumed hunchentoot would do that also ;) 14:32:10 H4ns: nice ;) 14:34:22 H4ns: Do you know if there is a list of security fixes for Hunchentoot? 14:35:52 loke: no, there is none 14:35:54 Some time ago, I handed over a specialised application to a customer (a major bank) that I built on Hunchentoot. After they did their security check, they came back and reported the fact that you could access files outside the directores given using file-dispatcher. Turns out that that bug had been fixed already shortly after I had delivered the version to them. 14:36:28 i just don't use hunchentoot for serving static files 14:36:38 Now, I upgraded them to the latest Hunchentoot at the time, but I'm pretty sure they haven't updated since, and they seem to have no intention to do so in the next few years either... 14:37:21 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-002-071.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 14:37:23 pnpuff: so, did you get it working? 14:37:25 This is an application that the bank uses from the branch offices to before certain transactions... 14:37:29 KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:37:54 stassats`: no. 14:38:04 loke: i'm sorry, but i can't help here. if you want to do an audit on the code base, please share what you find. 14:38:04 (just in case anyone wanted to know if Hunchentoot is used in some major production environments) 14:38:14 pnpuff: what's the error now? 14:38:33 H4ns: That's the thing, I have done an informal audit, and didn't find anything. But it was anything but exhaustive. 14:39:24 loke: that's the point about security. you'll have to spend until your pocket is empty and the spending hurt you enough to make you believe you're secure. 14:39:55 H4ns: Yeah... But question was mainly whethr or not security-related fixes are flagged in the bug tracker so they can be searched for. 14:40:38 not to my knowledge, but please do have a look 14:40:51 H4ns: OK, sure. 14:41:03 H4ns: You are the maintainer, yes? 14:41:10 loke: that is correct. 14:41:29 stassats`: http://pastebin.com/SYdmsyKF (after (ql:quickload "qt") ) 14:41:36 H4ns: OK, I'll let you know what is found. The last one (the one you had already fixed) was found by the client's internal security audit. 14:41:44 pnpuff: ok, are you using ubuntu or debian? 14:41:47 or some other linux? 14:41:57 some other 14:42:09 loke: thanks! please do have a look at the change that i've just committed. it certainly has the potential to be a security bug. 14:42:26 pnpuff: you need to install qmake, libqt4-dev and libsmokeqt4-dev 14:42:33 however are they called there 14:43:03 *Fare* feels like it's time to upgrade hunchentoot at work. 14:43:32 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-199-207-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 14:43:55 Fare: not an entirely bad idea, given the thread stability fixes that m.lemoine has contributed. 14:44:23 yup, I saw that, too. 14:44:44 our servers crash more often than we'd like, and that could be a cause. 14:44:54 (or not) 14:44:56 Fare: how do they crash? 14:45:08 stassats`: so which it's the convenience of an 'automatic installation'? :) 14:45:15 dunno. core dump. This usually suggests thread issues. 14:45:50 Fare: My client hasn't gone live yet, but once they do, they'll have several hundred branch offices accessing the application, and it's quite heavy on the EventSource (push) stuff. 14:46:16 -!- eldar [~CLD@pppoe-207-61-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:46:16 Fare: what platform are you using? 14:46:21 our worst stability issue in the past was a linux kernel threading bug in obscure conditions combined with CCL optimizations relying on FPU state being preserved which it was not. 14:46:30 piko [~piko@ip4-83-240-108-205.cust.nbox.cz] has joined #lisp 14:46:40 My deployment is on Linux/SBCL 14:46:54 our other service is linux sbcl 14:47:03 but doesn't use hunchentoot 14:47:07 Ah 14:47:12 pnpuff: quicklisp only installs lisp libraries 14:47:18 not C or C++ libraries 14:47:26 OK, brb 14:48:37 However, it does compile some C libraries 14:51:40 pjb: it does? where, how? 14:51:45 you mean, via cffi? 14:51:57 -!- angavrilov 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That keeps busy during the week ends. 17:08:47 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1168074916.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 17:11:15 in how many Hubble volumes? 17:12:23 wbooze: irc is for procrastinating during work. Who works on weekends? 17:12:38 maybe one have, to say, a dog in an Hubble volume but 0 dogs in another.. and so on. 17:13:29 Am I right in thinking that the Hubble sphere is bigger than the light cone anyways? 17:14:22 -!- chinitacaliente [~guarrilla@77.224.37.171] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:17:12 MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-224-125.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 17:19:42 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:19:54 Joreji [~thomas@77-23-116-225-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 17:19:58 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22:12 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 17:24:37 PuercoPop [~PuercoPop@190.41.173.174] has joined #lisp 17:28:03 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 17:30:55 -!- longlene [~loong0@112.3.253.27] has left #lisp 17:34:13 yes, but was a way to say that sometimes they're completely unreachable. :) 17:37:04 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:37:22 pnpuff: you can't load things that aren't systems 17:37:35 pnpuff: projects do not always have systems by the same name 17:39:06 Xach: would it be a good idea to rename commonqt system from qt to commonqt and add a qt system which depends on commonqt? 17:39:20 maybe 17:39:34 because the naming is quite confusing 17:39:39 even i sometimes fall for it 17:40:54 make it so 17:40:55 -!- woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:41:12 woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 17:41:19 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@116.26.30.67] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 17:41:29 stassats`: thanks. Now commonqt works just fine! :) 17:42:53 Xach: ok, will do in the near future 17:43:02 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 17:43:51 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.155] has joined #lisp 17:44:17 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:44:45 piko [~piko@ip4-83-240-108-205.cust.nbox.cz] has joined #lisp 17:47:08 Joreji_ [~thomas@77-23-116-225-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 17:47:24 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 17:48:34 Because of Smoke (qt) , that was an unsatisfied dependency. ;) 17:51:25 i'll put later a better description on which and how and to install dependencies 17:52:01 linux users got it easy, maybe i'll put some rebuilt binaries for windows 17:53:08 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Quit: ] 17:53:31 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 17:54:20 of course, it'll be great if quicklisp could install them automatically 17:54:26 yes 17:54:43 steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1168074916.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 17:56:16 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-23-116-225-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:56:45 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@77-23-116-225-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:58:07 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:00:07 stassats`: I think depends at less from the linux distro. (to say I think in slackware (after , to say, a full installation) it's present but in other distros no) 18:00:18 Does anyone know if there is a montezuma mailing list? All I find is a google groups thing with old posts. 18:00:41 woudshoo: there is and that is the place to discuss 18:00:48 woudshoo: it is not very active 18:01:10 Xach: Hm, now I have to figure out how to get google groups in gnus. 18:01:37 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-72-228-189-184.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:01:59 Xach: A kind of quicklisp related question. Do you have ideas on how to get the documentation more accessible? 18:02:10 Xach: I mean documentation of the packages. 18:02:16 -!- kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:02:38 Xach: Often/Sometimes there is documentation included and it is slightly cumbersome to get to. 18:02:44 some don't have any 18:03:03 Xach: I slowly feel the need to write something that gets me easily to the docs (if it exists.) 18:03:06 fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-209-176.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 18:03:55 woudshoo: you can look at manifest. 18:04:41 Xach: do you have plans to replace asdf? 18:05:09 I want to set up a programming environment for lisp but come on, emacs? I hate GUIs 18:05:14 my plan is: wait until somebody else does it 18:05:28 zolk3ri: emacs is a text interface 18:05:58 daimrod: Yes I know, but that is just for docstrings isn't it? I would like to also open html/pdf if that exists easily. 18:06:01 oh really 18:06:11 text-based user interface? 18:06:15 yes 18:06:29 woudshoo: iirc it also read README. 18:06:40 then help me out here, I type emacs and a window pops up 18:06:41 zolk3ri: emacs -nw 18:06:43 ty 18:06:48 thank you 18:06:49 !! 18:07:05 even the window that pops up contains mostly text 18:07:09 zolk3ri: or install an emacs without x11 (emacs-nox11 or some such) 18:07:19 user52882 [~user52882@188-223-37-134.zone14.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:07:20 but why are you running an X server and not a bare console? 18:07:21 daimrod: Ah, maybe there is start there. As I said I slowly feel the need, so maybe I will try to see if I can expand manifest. 18:07:32 stassats`: because wmfs is cool 18:08:07 but you hate GUIs, how come? 18:08:23 http://89.132.196.182/ss/2012-07-13-223247_1280x1024_scrot.png 18:08:24 zolk3ri: you can remove the tool-bar, the menu-bar and the scroll-bar. 18:08:33 oh, good old cwm :) 18:08:48 zolk3ri: stumpwm is even cooler :) 18:09:27 zolk3ri: looks too graphical 18:09:29 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Quit: ] 18:09:33 lol 18:09:42 -!- kanedank [~user@pool-72-74-50-53.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:09:48 tomrom1 [~Adium@adsl-dyn244.78-98-117.t-com.sk] has joined #lisp 18:09:56 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 18:09:56 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:11:52 anyone suggests clfswm or some other wm? 18:12:10 eclipse! 18:13:01 -!- trbotime [~radicalca@66.96.251.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:18:28 zolk3ri: http://i.imgur.com/4v0ds.png guess which one is the gui :) 18:18:41 -!- tomrom1 [~Adium@adsl-dyn244.78-98-117.t-com.sk] has left #lisp 18:19:42 :P 18:20:06 the right one! 18:20:09 lol 18:20:24 do I even need emacs and slime? hmm 18:20:36 yes 18:20:37 yes 18:20:41 why? 18:20:49 pdponze [~pierre@37.0.45.21] has joined #lisp 18:20:59 zolk3ri: you don't, you can use ed, but do you wouldn't want to. 18:21:05 to use Common Lisp in a convenient fashion 18:21:12 zolk3ri: it is the awesome sauce 18:21:49 -!- pdponze [~pierre@37.0.45.21] has left #lisp 18:21:59 ed gives you the feeling you are falling into an abyss..... 18:22:02 all dark around you 18:22:13 nothing to hold on 18:22:21 unless you know the shortcuts! 18:22:24 lol 18:22:47 "lol" 18:22:56 or trained them long enough.... 18:22:58 is stumpwm stable these days? 18:23:05 what implementation do you run it on? 18:23:09 if i had a penny each time wbooze said "lol", i'd have a lot of pennies 18:23:17 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 18:23:21 erm, stump worked mostly for me last time 18:23:24 guys gimme some links about emacs + slime or about lisp programming env in general 18:23:28 or do I have to google it myself? :P 18:23:37 minion: please tell zolk3ri about slime.mov 18:23:37 zolk3ri: have a look at slime.mov: "using SLIME" video by Marco Baringer, http://common-lisp.net/project/movies/movies/slime.mov 18:23:44 ty 18:23:47 zolk3ri: http://www.mohiji.org/2011/01/modern-common-lisp-on-linux/ 18:23:50 zolk3ri: http://cliki.net/ will have all you need 18:23:51 zolk3ri: yrrwlcm 18:23:58 s/rr/r/ 18:24:11 woah thank you guys, _too_ helpful 18:24:12 :P 18:24:15 and can clisp or ccl bootstrap sbcl these days? 18:24:30 Fare: should be able to 18:24:32 clisp can 18:24:53 *Fare* thinks of building sbcl on nixos 18:24:57 -!- user52882 [~user52882@188-223-37-134.zone14.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:25:37 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:25:49 wow 18:26:01 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 18:26:39 -!- BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:27:15 -!- chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9-rc1] 18:27:19 BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has joined #lisp 18:27:54 H4ns: that page is awesome 18:28:28 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1168074916.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 18:29:14 zolk3ri: http://www.cliki.net/Getting%20Started ;) 18:30:31 nha [~prefect@koln-5d81a9c6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 18:30:46 anyway guys, why can't I use up-arrow in maxima if I'm using it with let's say SBCL? it does work with GCL only :( 18:32:00 you can do it with rlwrap 18:34:26 add^_ [~add^_@m90-141-53-95.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 18:43:53 any good movies to watch? 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representation of floating-point numbers? 22:34:05 I think you might want the ieee-floats library 22:34:47 http://common-lisp.net/project/ieee-floats/ 22:35:16 -!- punee [~punee@213-245-106-105.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Quit: punee] 22:35:56 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:36:01 awesome, thank you. 22:36:49 -!- poindontcare [~user@c-50-131-221-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:37:00 on a separate note, do you (all) have any opinion on siebel's "practical common lisp" vs graham's "ansi common lisp"? 22:37:24 poindontcare [~user@c-50-131-221-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:38:17 both good 22:38:33 -!- AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.37] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:38:36 tho i found the html appearance of seibels weird.... 22:38:51 the pages are interlink only from the toplevel... 22:39:11 you can't switch to other pages easily, you have to go back or so... 22:39:48 wbooze: the html version is only a second class citizen. buy the real book. 22:39:55 one is not a replacement for the other tho.... 22:40:16 that much is clear.... 22:40:21 Didn't Graham's book had some slightly odd stylistic things? Like not using CLOS, or something. 22:40:44 Bike: it is not covering all of cl, but i think it is worth reading anyway 22:41:12 currently re-reading keene's oop stuff 22:41:21 i'm confused again... 22:41:47 I see. 22:41:51 and i got farther away than the first time read.... 22:44:29 AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.37] has joined #lisp 22:48:59 -!- jfe_ [~jfe@ool-18bfe75c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: afk] 22:49:22 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 22:49:53 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 22:51:29 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 22:53:17 jfe_ [~jfe@ool-18bfe75c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 22:54:19 i'm reading graham's book, though i'm skipping some of the problems related to algorithms i'm not familiar with. 22:54:36 i think i'll need to spend a year or so really getting comfortable with lisp before i can say i'm a lisp programmer :) 22:56:45 one of the things that strikes me about lisp is the number of utility functions one has to memorize :-/ 22:57:49 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:57:57 minion: please tell Bike about graham crackers 22:57:58 Bike: have a look at graham crackers: http://www.cs.northwestern.edu/academics/courses/325/readings/graham/graham-notes.html 22:58:53 sykopomp: yeah, that must be what I was thinking of, thanks. 23:00:21 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:01:52 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-239-239.dsl.telepac.pt] has left #lisp 23:01:57 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-239-239.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 23:02:40 sykopomp: looked at the pi yet? 23:03:04 H4ns: SD card should be here early next week, along with an hdmi cable, so I can actually use it :S 23:03:33 uh. ok :) 23:04:09 I thought it would be best to wait a few days than reformat my wife's camera sd card just to play around for a few hours. :) 23:05:05 sykopomp: a 4gb card should be available for $10 in your supermarket 23:05:15 sykopomp: i'd be too tempted :) 23:06:51 I almost was, but I'm exercising self-control! 23:07:01 heh. 23:08:46 I have a good 2 months or so to just play around with it before it's sent off to its sacred backup mission, too, so that'll be fun. Might order a second one for here if things work out. I hear there's a new model coming out with some fixes, soon. 23:09:10 H4ns: have you compared CCL to, say, ECL and CLISP, as far as performance goes? 23:09:30 -!- paul0 [~paul0@186.222.48.210] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09:30 no, i've just installed ccl and started hacking :) 23:13:15 -!- bitonic [~user@027cae25.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:14:24 -!- two- [~textual@c-67-171-131-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 23:14:24 -!- BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has quit [*.net *.split] 23:14:24 -!- prxq__ [~mommer@mnhm-590c2df5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 23:14:24 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [*.net *.split] 23:14:24 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [*.net *.split] 23:14:24 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has quit [*.net *.split] 23:14:24 -!- ThomasH [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has quit [*.net *.split] 23:14:24 -!- Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has quit [*.net *.split] 23:14:29 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 23:14:44 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #lisp 23:14:50 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 23:15:34 BlastHardcheese [chris@pool-108-38-205-87.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:15:34 two- [~textual@c-67-171-131-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:15:34 prxq__ [~mommer@mnhm-590c2df5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 23:15:34 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 23:15:34 drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has joined #lisp 23:15:34 ThomasH [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has joined #lisp 23:15:34 Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has joined #lisp 23:15:39 -!- BlastHardcheese [chris@pool-108-38-205-87.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 23:16:02 -!- gurrag [~gurrag@unaffiliated/gurrag] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:11 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 23:22:47 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 23:33:00 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-63-233.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:34:58 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@101.168.20.195] has joined #lisp 23:35:45 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-18-162.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 23:35:49 -!- Natch [~Natch@c-1dcce155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:37:23 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@101.168.20.195] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:37:27 DataLinkD2 [~DataLinkD@101.168.20.195] has joined #lisp 23:39:23 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 23:40:37 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:41:37 -!- Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has quit [Quit: (quit :reason 'sleep)] 23:42:42 -!- jfe_ [~jfe@ool-18bfe75c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: afk] 23:44:09 jfe_ [~jfe@ool-18bfe75c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 23:45:04 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 23:45:16 Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has joined #lisp 23:46:48 -!- two- [~textual@c-67-171-131-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:48:46 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.231.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:53:30 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:54:52 -!- pskosinski [~pk@czu186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: http://www.redeclipse.net -- Fast-paced online FPS] 23:59:23 -!- agumonkey [~agu@235.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]