00:00:08 I started solving project euler problems. Am I in the right direction? 00:00:30 -!- VeganRhino [~quassel@ip72-201-177-173.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 00:00:47 -!- kanru` [~kanru@111-249-153-213.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:02:28 VeganRhino [~quassel@ip72-201-177-173.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 00:03:51 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:04:21 -!- VeganRhino [~quassel@ip72-201-177-173.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:04:38 VeganRhino [~quassel@ip72-201-177-173.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 00:05:07 No, #Lispcafe is not for beginners, it's for non-lisp related discussions. 00:05:16 VeganRhino: beginners may ask on #clnoobs 00:05:19 VeganRhino: no 00:06:12 The truth is that we don't have a set of lisp exercises. 00:06:33 -!- VeganRhino [~quassel@ip72-201-177-173.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:06:51 The closest, is L-99, which is originally a set of prolog exercises. http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~meidanis/courses/mc336/2006s2/funcional/L-99_Ninety-Nine_Lisp_Problems.html http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/l99/index.html 00:07:17 There are lisp books that have exercises however. Notably PAIP. 00:07:59 pjb: wasn't lispgardeners merged with lispcafe as it served mostly the same purpose? how and why has clnoobs split from that? 00:08:12 -!- VieiraN [~VieiraN@187.10.241.67] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:08:24 Because #clnoobs was needed. 00:09:02 Instead of Project Euler, perhaps: http://www.spoj.pl/ are better exercises for a lisper. I've not watched closely Project Euler, so I cannot really tell. 00:09:37 -!- ebobby [~fms@38.111.144.18] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:10:01 madnificent: check http://cliki.net/IRC 00:10:21 -!- [6502] [5e24deb2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.36.222.178] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:10:48 VeganRhino [~quassel@ip72-201-177-173.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 00:11:09 -!- VeganRhino [~quassel@ip72-201-177-173.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:11:20 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@101.171.66.109] has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:12:18 iocor [~textual@89-168-109-131.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lisp 00:12:30 -!- iocor [~textual@89-168-109-131.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Changing host] 00:12:30 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 00:14:43 VeganRhino [~quassel@ip72-201-177-173.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 00:15:09 -!- lcc [~user@75-173-69-129.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:16:56 -!- WzTian [~WzTian@adsl-76-200-131-234.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:17:05 -!- HaskellHacker [625504e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.85.4.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:17:06 WzTian [~WzTian@adsl-76-200-131-234.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:17:38 lcc [~lcc-pi@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #lisp 00:18:11 ok thanks 00:18:11 VeganRhino, memo from pjb: have a look at the logs, you left too early. 00:18:43 ok 00:19:46 pjb: i still don't see why we spawned cl-noobs 00:22:42 Because #lisp is hostile to newbies. 00:23:28 it is not 00:23:36 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 00:24:13 At what level am i considered "not a noob"? 00:24:14 In #lisp, there's a general expectation of cluefulness. 00:24:32 Not really. 00:24:46 Well, just read the logs of when #clnoobs was created. 00:28:10 ISF [~ivan@201.82.158.74] has joined #lisp 00:28:31 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 00:29:38 sellout42 [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:35:16 [rudi] mcclim, the (* 2 3) of clos 00:35:20 I don't get it 00:36:59 where's dr strandh, i want him to talk about how great (Mc)CLIM is. 00:37:10 No idea. 00:38:04 There are some references to him on a web page and a few papers in a university in New Zeland, but I'm not sure it's entirely posterior to Bordeaux and his "disappearance" from irc. 00:38:08 zodiac1111 [~zodiac111@124.90.134.235] has joined #lisp 00:38:18 http://www.cliki.net/Robert%20Strandh 00:39:50 maybe I'll shoot him an email 00:40:11 kenanb [kenanb@188.38.181.115] has joined #lisp 00:42:30 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-66-73-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 00:44:01 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@101.171.66.109] has joined #lisp 00:44:22 Oh thanks. 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I was reading Practical Common LISP, and I came across a very puzzling piece of code for me... 02:57:00 Archenoth: yes? 02:57:09 Just ask 02:57:21 In the pathname abstraction section, there is a piece of code "(or (pathname-directory pathname) (list :relative))", that when the first statement fails, the second gains the pathname argument... 02:57:46 loke_erc: Yes, I was getting to it... Just added background since I am sure a lot of you are familiar with PCL 02:58:04 Archenoth: not "fails", but rather "when it returns nil" 02:58:25 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@101.171.66.109] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:58:34 Indeed... Is nil not "false" in the case of an "or"? 02:58:42 yes 02:58:50 but "false" is different from "fail" 02:58:56 Ah. 02:58:56 lcc [~lcc-pi@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #lisp 02:58:57 fail implies an exception is raised 02:59:18 Well, my question lies in how pathname shuffles over to the second statement when the first returns nil. 02:59:25 loke_erc: Yeah? 02:59:34 "shuffles over"? 02:59:36 Well, that's the definition of OR 02:59:37 Well. I won't say that anymore then. 02:59:51 (OR X Y) returns X if X is non-NIL, otherwise it returns Y 03:00:24 Yes... But, when you send in a pathname that makes the first list return nil... 03:00:35 The second returns as (:relative pathname) somehow 03:00:43 Archenoth: if the pathname has no directory component) 03:01:21 (make-pathname :name "foo") would create such a pathname 03:01:46 Archenoth: the context is: «(append (or (pathname-directory pathname) (list :relative)) (list (file-namestring pathname))) 03:02:12 So, if (pathname-directory pathname) is nil, it's like (append (list :relative) (list (file-namestring pathname))). 03:02:26 Which in turn is like (list :relative (file-namestring pathname)). 03:02:26 Bike: Yes... Bu when you eval this "(or (pathname-directory "home/") (list :relative))" 03:02:31 (Without the concat) 03:02:45 It returns "(:RELATIVE "home")" 03:02:54 Oh, no, that's the result of pathname-directory. 03:02:57 -!- benny [~user@i577A1DAD.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:02:57 Archenoth: yes 03:03:04 Oh..? 03:03:08 Try it: (pathname-directory "home/") 03:03:28 Archenoth: Also, try (pathname-directory "/home/") to see the difference 03:04:17 ....Ohhhh. Ha, it almost looked as though the variable was moving over a statement, leave it to me to miss that. 03:04:21 -!- localhost [~IceChat9@cpe-76-188-161-222.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Do fish get thirsty?] 03:04:43 Well, thanks. I feel dumb now though... :o 03:05:33 Archenoth: I'm glad you understand now. :-) 03:05:52 -!- syamajala [~syamajala@c-75-68-106-118.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:06:27 Indeed... Thanks~! 03:12:14 scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has joined #lisp 03:15:47 Yuuhi` [benni@p54839F60.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 03:16:12 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:17:30 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483B8E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:22:33 Modius [~user@cpe-70-123-128-240.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:22:59 What's the trick used by apps like Hunchentoot webserver to print directly to the Emacs/slime repl from another thread? 03:23:34 Modius: What I do is usually to bind *DEBUG-OUTPUT* before the thread is started 03:23:37 something like this: 03:23:39 printing to *terminal-io*, maybe? 03:23:43 -!- zodiac1111 [~zodiac111@124.90.134.235] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:24:01 loke_erc: I think you're right (vaguely remember that now) 03:24:09 (let ((out *debug-output*)) (bordeaux-threads:make-thread #'(lambda () (format out "from the thread~%)))) 03:24:23 anon119 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[~mattrepl@pool-72-66-73-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:54:58 antgreen [user@nat/redhat/x-ytdwlmqtlmhkzaor] has joined #lisp 12:55:06 i have three functions which take a function as an argument. they will all call the function N times with a value Q_n_i as a result. is there a way for me to call a fourth function, with as arguments the values Q_n_0 Q_n_1 Q_n_2, without storing the intermediate results? 12:55:30 or is that a place where call/cc would be appropriate? 12:56:25 i didn't understand your description 12:56:39 can you paste the code? prose i a poor substitute for code 12:56:53 stassats`: yeah, i could make a paste with pseudocode of it :) 12:57:12 why pseudo, paste lisp code 12:57:15 fold [~fold@71-8-117-85.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #lisp 12:57:19 madnificent: the three functions are basically generators. call/cc would work to implement them. 12:57:47 stassats`: the contents of the functions is rather complex, so that doesn't seem appropriate 12:58:05 madnificent: in common lisp, you need to have your generator functions store their state explicitly. or use a continuation library. 12:58:08 H4ns: but we don't have call/cc. is there a way around? 12:58:33 madnificent: bounded continuations like in cl-cont should work. 12:58:37 there is no way that i can tell them to only return after the other ones have returned too? 12:58:45 well, you can't get away without storing it in any way, stack is a storage too 12:58:46 hmm, i can check cl-cont. that's now for me :) 12:58:47 thanks 12:59:20 stassats`: yes, i meant storing the result of all values with which the function had been called 13:01:15 m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.214.238] has joined #lisp 13:01:49 -!- teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:01:58 -!- apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 13:02:11 stassats`: quite a lot of blanks when trying to paste it :/ http://paste.lisp.org/display/131140 13:02:42 (and it is seemingly without meaning in the paste) 13:02:43 madnificent: did you ever look at series? 13:03:06 teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has joined #lisp 13:03:16 H4ns: i have ever looked at it, yes. i don't know how this would solve it... (the random isn't the source at all) 13:03:44 pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 13:03:57 madnificent: as far as i remember, series has an extensible generators abstraction. 13:05:23 that would mean throwing around quite a lot of code tbh. but i could use iterate's generators too, in that case. unless those of series work differently (and i'll check) 13:05:31 madnificent: life is tough. 13:05:50 madnificent: in particular if you made a mistake in structuring your code :) 13:07:21 i don't necessarily see it as a wrong structure in the code at the moment. i find it odd that i can't work around this, but it wasn't planned 13:07:25 (to be worked around) 13:09:32 tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.148.197.210] has joined #lisp 13:10:20 *madnificent* doesn't see the generators in the CLTL2 appendix describing series 13:11:03 madnificent: i may remember wrong. could be that they're named differently. in any case, they'll likely require you to restructure your code, so you could as well use something that you already know. 13:13:44 fwiw: i was also interested from a theoretical point-of-view 13:14:28 jcubed [~jaj@199.180.145.100] has joined #lisp 13:15:50 your paste didn't shed any light as to what it's supposed to do 13:17:47 saschakb [~skbierm@gateway/tor-sasl/saschakb] has joined #lisp 13:18:52 stassats`: i know, it wasn't so trivial to throw it into easy-to-understand code after all ;) so perhaps... code isn't so optimal to explain things of which others don't know what the meaning will be 13:19:12 the problem is that what you want to do cannot be expressed in common lisp 13:19:43 pjb: what's up? this is your keyword. 13:20:58 LoL 13:21:01 madnificent: i was hoping for definitions of magic-operator and some-magic-function 13:21:48 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22:30 stassats`: if he had those definitions, he'd not need to ask. 13:22:57 H4ns: well, with storing results 13:23:58 stassats`: he wants (mapcar #'function (f1) (f2) (f3)) without having f1-f3 return lists 13:24:11 add^_ [~add^_@m90-141-59-147.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 13:24:25 steffi_s [~marioooh@184.152.73.25] has joined #lisp 13:24:25 stassats`: words fail me, now it is up to your imagination to understand :) 13:24:28 stassats`: yeah, i know. basically generate-a is called three times. each time with a different lambda function (though for all i care, that may be the same). so, eacho f the lambda functions gets called 100 times. the goal is to get some-magic-function to be called every time each of the lambda functions have been called once, it receives the arguments each of the lambda functions received. the goal is to do that witho 13:24:28 all the results one of the lambda functions had :) 13:24:47 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@184.152.73.25] has quit [Client Quit] 13:24:50 H4ns: that's very concise (the mapcar) 13:25:07 -!- lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:25:40 answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has joined #lisp 13:26:05 madnificent: my proposal: buy more memory, use the mapcar, wrap up 13:26:39 now i need to imagine what problem could be solved with this 13:27:00 lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #lisp 13:27:19 H4ns: i could do that. but it'd be suboptimal 13:27:30 madnificent: because? 13:27:33 stassats`: basically, the construction of an index over multiple tables. 13:28:07 -!- agumonkey [~agu@201.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:28:18 H4ns: because it will be running on more than one server, so buying ram will need to be done for each of te servers. i don't like it. but it is certainly possible 13:28:30 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 13:28:32 i might just manage anyways though 13:28:45 have you measured the overhead already? 13:28:50 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:29:11 stassats`: we have estimated it. as in: we need N GBytes for this array etc etc :) but i'm obviously implementing at this stage 13:29:57 also, i don't think there is much wrong with a bit of theoretical interest in the matter. you don't come to lisp because it is immediately obvious it will be better, i think. you have to toy and try and realize that it really can be. 13:30:21 leo2007 [~leo@123.123.255.73] has joined #lisp 13:30:51 apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:31:19 exit 13:31:23 haha oops 13:31:24 -!- apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 13:32:38 VieiraN [~VieiraN@187.10.241.67] has joined #lisp 13:33:32 ice_ [~ice@222.130.131.31] has joined #lisp 13:34:49 madnificent: http://paste.lisp.org/display/131140#1 ? 13:35:47 stassats`: so basically, he can create his continuations manually. 13:35:47 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m90-141-59-147.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36:13 naiv [~quassel@AAnnecy-552-1-374-118.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:36:16 -!- ice_ [~ice@222.130.131.31] has quit [Client Quit] 13:36:38 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-155-194.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:36:46 well, of course if i knew all the unknowns, i could remove value-generator altogether and drive it directly from the loop 13:37:19 add^_ [~add^_@m212-152-15-136.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 13:37:26 -!- Archenoth [~archenoth@96.51.223.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:37:38 ice_ [~ice@222.130.131.31] has joined #lisp 13:37:42 VieiraN_ [~VieiraN@187.10.241.67] has joined #lisp 13:38:20 -!- VieiraN [~VieiraN@187.10.241.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:39:18 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:39:18 -!- tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:40:16 -!- mskou72 [~mskou72@0x50a277b6.cpe.ge-0-1-0-1109.rdnqu2.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:40:44 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.123.255.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:41:15 -!- antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:41:27 stassats`: te method heading of generate-a is fixed. 13:41:47 what? 13:41:52 if not, ten that would indeed have been the implementation i'd go for 13:42:07 (defun generate-a (function) ...) that function is fixed 13:42:22 what does it mean for a function to be fixed? 13:42:32 if it would have worked like value-generator, then i'd do it your way 13:42:35 -!- ice_ [~ice@222.130.131.31] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:42:35 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:42:38 that's the thing i will not change 13:42:50 it would require more than a day refactoring work 13:43:16 well, then don't change i 13:46:14 madnificent: you're screwed. 13:46:44 H4ns: :) 13:46:46 not being able to describe what you're doing is a sign that you don't really understand it yourself 13:47:47 -!- nkkarthik [~nkkarthik@smtpbt.pramati.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:49:50 stassats`: you are totally right. i have no clue what i want. odd though that H4ns answered it correctly immediately and that i grasped the solution. and that i grasp that your solution is not a solution. wait, perhaps the problem might potentially lie on the other end of the communication. no, that could never be. not to be rude, but it's a tad odd :) 13:50:43 yrk [~user@pat152.library-public.border1-rt.dartmouth.edu] has joined #lisp 13:50:44 -!- yrk [~user@pat152.library-public.border1-rt.dartmouth.edu] has quit [Changing host] 13:50:44 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 13:51:06 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 13:52:28 tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.85] has joined #lisp 13:52:32 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 13:52:38 -!- saschakb [~skbierm@gateway/tor-sasl/saschakb] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:52:42 you should be able to explain it to anyone 13:53:34 i still don't see how the fact that i doesn't change affects the problem 13:53:36 can you explain your code to your mom and dad? i can dumbify it enough for them, but in general, they don't grasp the key issues. let's get back to #lisp, where the grass is green 13:55:36 stassats`: for the sake of it, say that i don't have access to #'generate-a, that i can only call it. at least, that's how i'm looking at it right now. i could extend it with some effort 13:56:20 damn, "i" is confusing 13:56:31 i though you were talking about a varaible 13:56:53 ehu [~ehuels@31.136.195.106] has joined #lisp 13:56:55 I don't quite get what you are doing either. In particular the arguments to some-magic-function in your paste are the argument variables to your lambdas, which looks like a typo 13:56:58 "i can only call it" indeed makes things strange from there on :) 13:57:58 Vivitron`: it doesn't map to common lisp code, that's why. but H4ns summarized it quite good: (mapcar #'function (f1) (f2) (f3)) without having f1-f3 return lists 13:58:38 Vivitron`: only, the way of getting the values is limited to what #'generate-a provides (as in: you can't change that function) 13:58:39 madnificent: no, not in that sentence, in "i will not change", i though you were talking about variable not changing 14:00:05 stassats`: haha. we should never use i as a variable anymore! 14:00:18 well, there's a reason they type it as I 14:00:41 lispers used to write all code in caps, same problem 14:01:59 madnificent: their keyboards would input only all caps, so... 14:02:08 madnificent: I think I get it now 14:03:07 schoppenhauer 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madnificent: you need to learn how to structure your code correctly in the first place :) 14:14:03 madnificent: just nagging. ignore me. 14:14:32 H4ns: it's not the structure of the code. it's a problem that, in itself, aside from what it implies for the code, intruiges me. everytime i see it i get this feeling that it should be possible to solve it. 14:14:34 it's better to structure it so that you can easily restructure it, even if it was initially wrong 14:14:42 H4ns: and i don't mind the nagging at all :P 14:16:37 -!- VieiraN_ is now known as VieiraN 14:19:35 kushal [~kdas@114.143.161.99] has joined #lisp 14:19:36 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.161.99] has quit [Changing host] 14:19:36 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 14:20:36 -!- pskosinski [~pk@czu186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:21:34 agumonkey [~agu@201.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 14:22:24 pskosinski [~pk@czu186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 14:23:37 -!- 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stassats`: i think i'll succumb to H4ns and your nagging and reimplement the parts which need to be reimplemented for the generator-approach. not sure what it'll do in terms of speed 14:57:40 nkkarthik [~nkkarthik@219.91.239.233] has joined #lisp 14:57:45 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59:17 -!- sambio_ is now known as sambio 14:59:20 you don't need call/cc or threads to have a generator... 14:59:41 sykopomp: madnificent didn't want to have a generator 14:59:52 sykopomp: certainly not. you can also capture your generator state explcitly 15:00:22 which is what i'm thinking of doing 15:00:43 sykopomp: he wanted to have three existing iterators to be executed in lockstep 15:00:59 lockstep <3 15:01:17 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m212-152-15-136.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:02:13 naeg_ [~naeg@188045137166.atmpu0061.highway.a1.net] has joined #lisp 15:02:40 -!- naeg [~naeg@188045137166.atmpu0061.highway.a1.net] 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working on implementing continued fraction arithmetic in SBCL. Since a continued fraction of an irational number is infinite in general, is there an easy way to use lazy evaluation in order to get a more accurate representation of the number in memory? 15:30:37 ocmsRzr: you can just use thunks to delay evaluation? 15:31:00 I'm kind of a lisp noob, what are thunks? 15:31:22 functions 15:32:00 -!- zodiac1111 [~zodiac111@124.90.134.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:32:26 WzTian [~WzTian@adsl-76-200-131-234.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:32:58 something like (defmacro delay (&rest exprs) `(lambda nil ,@exprs)), (defmacro lazy-cons (a b) `(cons ,a (delay ,b))), (defun force (thunk) (funcall thunk)), (defun lazy-cdr (cons) (if (functionp (cdr cons)) (force (cdr cons)) (cdr cons)) 15:34:45 specifically a function that takes no args. 15:36:20 leo2007 [~leo@123.123.255.73] has joined #lisp 15:36:25 *madnificent* found why he didn't want generators from the start. his with-reverted-file-position becomes an issue in that case 15:36:48 Bike: that's a stream. lazy cons (should) also delay the car and the cons itself. 15:37:10 ocmsRzr: look at https://bitbucket.org/tarballs_are_good/computable-reals . 15:38:38 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 15:39:20 pkhuong: thanks 15:41:27 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@adsl-99-190-99-176.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:41:38 Bike: thanks for the pointers, I'm really green when it comes to lisp. I don't have a good mental model for backquote and leading comma syntax (ie `(cons ,a (delay ,b)) ) 15:41:53 what does that mean? 15:43:06 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:43:38 (list 'cons a (list 'delay b)), mostly 15:44:26 slyrus_ [~chatzilla@adsl-99-190-99-176.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:44:34 jdz [~jdz@91.105.18.48] has joined #lisp 15:45:05 FreeArtMan [~fam@93.177.213.54] has joined #lisp 15:45:32 PuercoPop420 [~PuercoPop@190.41.173.174] has joined #lisp 15:46:38 style question: should I avoid calling (list 'a 'b 'c)? I call (list) directly a lot when I'm solving problems 15:47:04 ocmsRzr: I switch rather quickly to structures or classes. 15:47:22 or multiple values if it makes sense. 15:47:27 mjl [~superjudg@37-46-176-66.customers.ownit.se] has joined #lisp 15:47:38 -!- PuercoPop [~PuercoPop@190.41.173.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:49:03 -!- sellout421 is now known as sellout 15:50:59 here is an example of code I wrote demonstrating what I mean: 15:51:01 https://github.com/dbjergaard/Ninety-Nine-Lisp-Problems/blob/master/p14.lisp 15:51:22 -!- nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-235-21.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: quit] 15:51:26 is it stylistically correct to use list the way I do? 15:51:59 -!- mjl [~superjudg@37-46-176-66.customers.ownit.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:52:08 there's no reason to use APPEND with singletons. I'd rewrite that with CONS or LIST*. 15:52:09 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@37-46-176-67.customers.ownit.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:52:24 I'd also use complete words, like duplicate and list. 15:52:51 also (when list ....) 15:53:02 That cond could arguably be an IF; I don't have strong feelings about that. 15:53:33 Some people are strongly opposed to using WHEN for its return value, or to pun lists as booleans ;) 15:53:45 yeah, I was writing these one after the other and got in the habit of cond all the time 15:54:42 phuong, did you mean put? 15:55:36 JuanDaugherty: no, I meant pun. 15:56:29 singletons are lists with single elements ie '(a)? 15:57:02 just checking 15:57:37 naryl: unfortunately trivial-irc from the other dude does not compile 15:57:45 ocmsRzr: yes. Formally, they're single-element sets, but close enough ;) 15:58:10 are lists and sets semantically different in lisp? 15:58:43 there's no sets in lisp 15:59:26 hope you guys dont mind me being off topic, but i have the chance to buy a new laptop soon for school 15:59:56 chitofan: i do mind 16:00:24 ok nvm :( 16:00:58 ocmsRzr: Semantically yes. 16:00:59 -!- nkkarthik [~nkkarthik@219.91.239.233] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:01:07 ocmsRzr: just like semantically, a cons cell is different from a list. 16:01:16 homie [~user@xdsl-84-44-155-194.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:01:28 but like cons cells are used to represent lists, lists are used to represent sets. 16:01:28 chitofan: I don't mind, but I haven't been here long enough to matter 16:01:36 (union '(1 2 3) '(3 4 5)) => (2 1 3 4 5) 16:02:10 chitofan: you can talk us about your laptop in #lispcafe 16:02:46 ok thanks :) 16:02:47 how come union flips the order 16:02:59 ocmsRzr: (list* (car lst) (car lst) (duplicate (cdr lst))) 16:03:05 ocmsRzr: because sets are not ordered. 16:03:14 ocmsRzr: lists are ordered, but not sets. 16:03:49 -!- jdz [~jdz@91.105.18.48] has quit [Quit: Byebye.] 16:03:55 Also, in lists, you can have duplication of elements, but not in sets, so (set-equal '(1 1) '(1)) --> T ; with (defun set-equal (a b) (and (subsetp a b) (subsetp b a))) 16:04:12 Both the lists (1 1) and (1) represent the same set {1}. 16:04:23 I see 16:04:29 There are an infinite number of list representing the same set. 16:04:55 so there are set constructs in common lisp, but lists are not sets 16:05:10 Yes. But lists can represent sets. 16:05:14 there are functions which work on lists as though they are sets 16:05:16 There is no list either in lisp. 16:05:18 but there are no sets 16:05:21 only chains of cons cells. 16:05:30 pjb: NIL is a list! 16:06:26 ocmsRzr: check https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!msg/comp.lang.lisp/-dL9iqvBWgk/uhevTzXjpmEJ and https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!msg/comp.lang.lisp/Nvdio3taI0Q/bn_VqLTaxG4J 16:06:34 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:09:15 -!- _travis_ [~travis@c-24-127-49-108.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:10:27 -!- naeg_ [~naeg@188045137166.atmpu0061.highway.a1.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:10:29 add^_ [~add^_@m212-152-15-136.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 16:11:53 a cons cell contains data and a pointer to the next cons cell? 16:12:16 it's a linked list 16:12:24 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m212-152-15-136.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Client Quit] 16:12:37 -!- Vivitron` [~Vivitron`@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: trivial-irc-0.0.3] 16:13:26 -!- ChibaPet [~ChibaPet@fsf/member/chibapet] has left #lisp 16:13:49 MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-237-46.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 16:13:52 ocmsRzr: actually a cons cell just has two slots, that can contain anything you want. 16:14:20 When you put in the cdr a list (ie a cons cell or NIL), then you have a cons cell that you can call a list. 16:14:37 all this is reminding me of Genesis from lispacademy.org 16:15:02 If the last cons cell cdr of the chain contains NIL, then it's a proper list. If there's no last cons cell, then it's a circular list. If there's something else in the last cons cell cdr, then it's a dotted-list. 16:15:17 -!- ehu [~ehuels@31.136.195.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:15:18 anon119 [~bman@12.104.144.2] has joined #lisp 16:15:25 minion: please tell ocmsRzr about PCL 16:15:26 ocmsRzr: have a look at PCL: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 16:16:09 lkjh [57920bba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.146.11.186] has joined #lisp 16:16:18 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 16:16:21 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@adsl-99-190-99-176.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:16:30 hello 16:16:40 hello 16:16:49 is there some way to stop the loading of a file? 16:16:50 is it appropriate to ask about "Land of Lisp" here or should I ask in #lispcafe? 16:17:03 some kind of return working at toplevel or so? 16:17:14 lkjh: signal a condition, or throw an object in the toplevel of the file. 16:17:37 (catch :stop (load "file.lisp")) with a (throw :stop nil) in the toplevel of the file. 16:17:37 lkjh: there is no 16:18:21 (handler-case (load "file.lisp") (condition (cnd) (princ cnd))) with a (error "Some error") or (signal (make-condition 'some-condition)) in the toplevel of the file. 16:18:36 THe later having the advantage of being optional: if there's no handler for the condition, then signal ignores it. 16:18:40 pjb: thanks 16:18:49 lkjh: the usual way to prevent loading a part of a file is to enclose it inside PROGN 16:19:11 and use a reader conditional to disable it 16:19:15 lkjh: loading a file is basically applying a REPL on it. 16:19:26 so you can write your file as a script, and do whatever you want from it. 16:20:55 lkjh: but if you can control the loading itself and able to do what pjb proposes, then you will be able to split that file into several and load only the files you need 16:21:51 It depends on what this file is. Indeed, if it's part of a library or a program loadeed with asdf, it'd be better to manage this problem with separate files. 16:22:26 if it's a script, then you can exit it altogether, using implementation provided exit function 16:24:50 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 16:25:08 basically it's a scripting system 16:25:50 I plan to load a files in a directory, and if the file is not needed under current conditions, it should stop loading 16:26:34 lkjh: it's better to decide that outside of the fiel. 16:26:35 file. 16:26:55 You can do it with asdf, or you can write a loader.lisp file containing this logic. 16:27:07 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.123.255.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:27:32 -!- jack_rabbit [~Jack_rabb@c-98-212-128-247.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:28:44 well, in this case I would have to modify both the actual script and the loader if something changes (and this is a development helper, so things will change quite often) 16:28:53 iLogical_ [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 16:28:58 seems more complicated to me 16:30:06 kenanb [kenanb@149.140.169.61] has joined #lisp 16:30:07 -!- tensorpudding_ is now known as tensorpudding 16:30:37 saschakb [~skbierm@gateway/tor-sasl/saschakb] has joined #lisp 16:30:57 DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-118-10.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 16:31:55 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-212-128-247.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:32:14 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:32:53 -!- wibble37 [~user@31.221.13.71] has left #lisp 16:33:08 nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-235-21.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:34:32 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 16:36:54 -!- SsvRrwQ [~user@24.68.50.61] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:37:51 -!- gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:40:58 -!- VeganRhino [~quassel@ip72-201-177-173.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:45:00 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-212-128-247.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:47:52 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-212-128-247.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:48:26 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-212-128-247.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:48:43 slyrus_ [~chatzilla@adsl-99-190-99-176.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:48:53 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:49:07 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-212-128-247.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:49:09 <_schulte_> anyone know of good libraries for computational linguistics? A quicklisp search turns up nothing. 16:49:23 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:50:33 mgra [~defn@78-3-52-47.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 16:50:40 lol elnode is pretty fun to mess around with. sharing org-mode files on the fly over the web is neat. 16:50:50 ... /offtopic 16:51:22 j_king: not /offtopic, /join #lispcafe 16:51:55 hello, I am trying to get this "land of lisp" webserver running. does anybody know that book and that chapter? can anybody tell me how to cleanly exit the webserver, once it is started? 16:52:35 it is started by (serve #'hello-request-handler), but how do I exit that and get back to a repl? 16:52:52 mgra: is that a hunchentoot server? 16:53:26 no, it is a webserver you write during the chapter of the book, no a pre-existing server. 16:53:27 -!- kenanb [kenanb@149.140.169.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:53:29 _schulte_: you could use general libraries: http://www.cliki.net/linear%20algebra 16:53:46 -!- PuercoPop420 [~PuercoPop@190.41.173.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:53:46 mgra: then I don't know. I only browsed LoL. 16:53:55 it uses CLISP and trying to Ctrl-C that in CLISP makes CLISP go down. 16:54:05 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@adsl-99-190-99-176.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:54:38 <_schulte_> pjb: thanks, I probably will, but first I want to make sure I'm not re-inventing any wheels (and I know many people have used CL for computational linguistics in the past) 16:54:38 -!- ferada [~ferada@dslb-188-107-069-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:54:39 I think my more general question would be how to get out of an infinite loop in CLISp gracefully. 16:54:51 What chapter? 16:54:58 Usually, C-c is it. 16:55:09 mgra: (catch :bye (serve (lambda (&rest args) (throw :bye :bye)))) 16:55:12 chapter 13. 16:55:20 http://landoflisp.com/webserver.lisp 16:55:39 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:55:41 if that's the server you're talking about, I don't see any obvious way of getting out of it normally. You'll have to force a non-local exit within your handler. 16:56:34 this is it, yes. it's unfortunate that somebody reading the book is left finding out how to get out of it on his own. 16:56:48 you can also (block bye (serve (lambda (&rest args) (return-from bye :done)))) 16:56:59 especially when Ctrl-C doesnt seem to work. 16:57:07 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:57:19 thanks, I'll try that. 16:57:38 C-c does a user-break in CLISP. 16:57:43 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-184-192.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 17:00:54 sellout42 [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:02:25 mgra: works for me: http://paste.lisp.org/+2T6V 17:02:35 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 17:03:46 Also works in an xterm. 17:04:58 and works also in slime. 17:05:05 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:05:44 mgra: so, where are you using it? In a terminal perphaps you have configured C-c to send a different signal than SIGINT? 17:06:01 What version of clisp do you have? I'm using 2.49+ 17:06:25 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 17:09:56 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:10:00 pjb: I'm using the newest one on Windows 7. When I C-c it, I cant get back into the normal repl. 17:10:49 yes, it is 2.49. 17:11:42 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 17:11:59 tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:12:04 msg Jasko 17:14:20 Ah, well, MS-Windows doesn't have signals 17:14:39 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-010-236.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:14:40 ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has joined #lisp 17:14:44 Try to run clisp from emacs or slime. 17:15:20 Why don't you use linux? It's $free and free! 17:16:00 I'm on holidays and have only a windows laptop. ;) 17:18:08 I think I should contact the author to make him somehow deal with this in a new edition/printing of the book. 17:19:14 Yes, erase that system, and install linux. 17:19:16 it cant be that i'm the first one who tried to make this run on windows, can it? 17:19:24 It works well in cygwin in a terminal. 17:19:25 -!- WzTian [~WzTian@adsl-76-200-131-234.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:19:36 its not my machine. 17:19:42 Most probably you're the first: nobody use windows. 17:19:55 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.56.117] has joined #lisp 17:19:55 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.56.117] has quit [Changing host] 17:19:55 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 17:20:15 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Client Quit] 17:20:31 -!- eni [~eni@31.171.153.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:20:45 WzTian [~WzTian@adsl-76-200-131-234.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:21:07 pbgc [~pbgc@bl6-130-235.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 17:21:11 I rather thought the target audience of the book wasnt linux only, since the guy mentions his choice of clisp was because it provides a nice environment in windows with readline and whatnot. 17:21:42 but ok, thanks for your advice. now I know whats wrong. 17:22:08 Otherwise, it works well with clisp in MS-Windows. 17:22:29 on MS-Windows-7 64-bit. 17:23:08 Lowl3v3l [~lowl3v3l@p54B90F9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 17:23:21 So it works for me 100% in all configurations. 17:23:24 Vivitron` [~Vivitron`@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:23:48 Otherwise, I don't know anything about MS-Windows, so I cannot help you debugging it on MS-Window. 17:24:56 PuercoPop420 [~PuercoPop@190.237.7.137] has joined #lisp 17:25:19 well, then I dont know either. do you have the "big" or "small" version of CLISP installed on win7? 17:25:46 I don't know, I just click on the icon on the desktop. 17:26:12 yrk [~user@pat152.library-public.border2-rt.dartmouth.edu] has joined #lisp 17:26:16 -!- yrk [~user@pat152.library-public.border2-rt.dartmouth.edu] has quit [Changing host] 17:26:16 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 17:26:33 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:26:42 In clisp 2.49, IIRC, there's no distinction between big and small anymore: modules are loaded dynamically when you require them. 17:27:02 Probably you could ask on the clisp maillist. 17:28:00 2.49 is still offered in big/small incarnations, http://sourceforge.net/projects/clisp/files/clisp/2.49/ 17:30:20 *mgra* waves goodbye. 17:30:24 mgra: you can install linux on a VM. All the windows stuff I have to do for school is done on an XP running in a VirtualBox under linux. 17:31:04 puchacz_ [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 17:32:01 pavelpenev: I'd still like to find out why it doesnt work and inform the book guy about how to fix it if necessary. 17:32:18 so bye. ;) 17:32:22 -!- mgra [~defn@78-3-52-47.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has left #lisp 17:33:19 francogrex [~user@109.130.35.169] has joined #lisp 17:35:34 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:36:17 jcubed_ [~jaj@199.180.145.100] has joined #lisp 17:36:18 -!- jcubed [~jaj@199.180.145.100] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:36:18 -!- jcubed_ is now known as jcubed 17:36:21 -!- Lowl3v3l [~lowl3v3l@p54B90F9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #lisp 17:37:32 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.35.169] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38:41 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 17:41:36 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 17:44:12 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:46:49 -!- pskosinski [~pk@czu186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:48:42 -!- sellout42 [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:49:47 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:50:35 -!- ipmonger [~ipmonger@c-76-26-112-202.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:55:56 killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has joined #lisp 18:00:11 -!- otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:01:27 ipmonger [~ipmonger@c-76-26-112-202.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:02:02 pskosinski [~pk@czu186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:02:42 -!- BountyX [~andrew@76.14.65.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:04:07 -!- ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:05:22 black_joe [~Norton@75.104.132.171] has joined #lisp 18:06:07 sellout42 [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:06:17 -!- ocmsRzr [~user@152.3.68.83] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:09:06 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:09:24 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 18:11:36 -!- sellout42 [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:12:48 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:16:47 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:17:45 sellout42 [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:18:20 -!- black_joe [~Norton@75.104.132.171] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:44 -!- bitonic [~user@li146-81.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:23:09 -!- milanj [~milanj_@79-101-250-114.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:25:33 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-237-46.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:30:38 -!- tsuru`` [~charlie@adsl-98-87-46-75.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:32:53 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 18:34:06 -!- ipmonger [~ipmonger@c-76-26-112-202.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:34:37 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.235.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:36:26 ipmonger [~ipmonger@c-76-26-112-202.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:36:29 -!- tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:36:43 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.176.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 18:41:14 BIGBOOMBA [b8609635@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.96.150.53] has joined #lisp 18:41:47 i was wondering if mcclim is written in lisp using the FFI or if part of it is written in C 18:42:56 AFAIK it's entirely written in Lisp. 18:42:57 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@193.136.27.164] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 18:42:58 BIGBOOMBA: It uses CLX, which is a lisp implementation of the X protocol which is language agnostic. No C involved. 18:43:18 BIGBOOMBA: but then, if it uses FFI, most probably the called functions are written in C! 18:43:35 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Quit: ] 18:43:43 of course :) 18:43:55 McCLIM has backends that work in various ways. Some of them might call C libraries, but not all of them do. 18:44:02 CLX is just one backend. 18:44:04 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:44:17 right, cause not every target system uses X 18:44:44 does mcclim work on windows at all? 18:45:02 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 18:46:36 Yes. You can run McCLIM with a X backend on MS-Windows. Why couldn't you? 18:47:18 wait, what? i thought that windows didn't use X 18:47:20 -!- pbgc [~pbgc@bl6-130-235.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 18:47:25 i know very little about windows 18:47:32 It doesn't. You could install X, though that's not a very interesting way to get it working. 18:47:52 BIGBOOMBA: is there a bigger question in play here? or are you just interested specifically in mcclim? 18:49:03 well, i was gonna make a little poker analysis thing and i thought it would be cool if i could also use it to play with my dad, and he's on windows 18:49:28 how's sbcl android port progressing ? 18:49:47 /j #ruby 18:50:12 i got mcclim working on my debian system and wanted to know if i could create the toy to work on linux and then install it on my dad's comp without rewriting it 18:50:28 what does android use for example instead of X ? 18:50:42 BIGBOOMBA: Doesn't seem likely to me. It seems like doing it via a web browser would be the easiest thing. 18:51:12 so in that case i would use an html generation library instead of mcclim 18:51:50 otwieracz [~gonet9@2001:470:90bc::2] has joined #lisp 18:52:09 Something like that, yes. 18:53:29 Lispers! 18:53:38 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:53:38 -!- FreeArtMan [~fam@93.177.213.54] has quit [Quit: Out of this 3D] 18:53:44 Heey, wait 18:53:57 Life is in danger! 18:54:18 Anyone have idea how to set selection-clipboard contents with CLX and save life? 18:55:25 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Quit: brb. 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20:38:40 depends on the implementation. 20:38:41 depends on the debugger 20:38:56 Usually typing the number of the restart, or some command with the restart number or name. 20:39:02 in SLIME, you can usually just press the number on your keyboard, or click on the restart itself. 20:39:12 most debuggers actually tell you how to select the restart 20:39:33 Or have some inline help that you can invoke with ? or h or :h or help 20:39:37 If you want to run the restart in your -code-, though... 20:39:40 clhs invoke-restart 20:39:41 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_invo_1.htm 20:39:48 this is ecl 20:39:50 That is, if you really really do not read the manual. 20:39:58 ^want to 20:40:22 well, if somebody can point me to a useable manual, I will happily read it 20:40:28 udzinari [~udzinari@ip-89-102-31-29.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 20:41:15 rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has joined #lisp 20:41:16 lkjh: http://ecls.sourceforge.net/new-manual/index.html 20:41:27 /rename #lisp to #google 20:41:41 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:42:00 pjb: the keyword was useable ... 20:42:44 it's out of date and most of the intersting details are missing 20:43:05 That's not what they say on http://ecls.sourceforge.net/resources.html 20:43:09 lkjh: :h 20:43:19 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:43:21 lkjh: type that in the debugger. 20:45:00 found it at the end of :h, thanks 20:45:20 pjb: well, they are wrong 20:45:37 pjb: try to compare it with the functions in the export.h header 20:47:52 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:51:58 -!- udzinari [~udzinari@ip-89-102-31-29.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: I'll be back] 20:52:05 dan64- [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has joined #lisp 20:52:35 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 20:52:36 udzinari [~udzinari@ip-89-102-31-29.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 20:52:57 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:53:46 -!- antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:55:20 fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-229-92.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 20:56:19 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has quit [Quit: dobranoc] 21:06:36 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.214.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:10:02 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-96-255-130-43.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:11:04 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-212-128-247.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:15:26 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 21:15:28 -!- ipmonger [~ipmonger@c-76-26-112-202.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ipmonger] 21:16:54 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:19:07 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:22:58 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 21:25:13 homie` [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-233.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:26:10 tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.85] has joined #lisp 21:26:16 gurrag [~gurrag@bb-216-195-184-91.gwi.net] has joined #lisp 21:26:17 -!- gurrag [~gurrag@bb-216-195-184-91.gwi.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:26:17 gurrag [~gurrag@unaffiliated/gurrag] has joined #lisp 21:26:45 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-155-194.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:28:08 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-84-44-155-194.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:30:08 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:33:03 Modius [~user@cpe-70-123-128-240.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:33:51 Is there a library that already does "give me a property list that's this existing property list with this property replaced/put on the front"? Easy to write; but wondering if it already exists. Doesn't mutate the original, tail-shares what it can. 21:34:09 Modius: list* does it. 21:34:16 pjb: Not if it already exists 21:34:45 (getf (list* :k2 22 '(:k1 1 :k2 2 :k3 3)) :k2) => 22 21:35:06 You're not breaking abstraction, are you? 21:35:18 pjb: 2 k2s in the list though 21:35:25 No there is not. 21:35:42 (list* :k2 22 '(:k1 1 :k2 2 :k3 3)) => (:K2 22 :K1 1 :K2 2 :K3 3) 21:35:54 (let ((new (list* :k2 22 '(:k1 1 :k2 2 :k3 3)))) (list (getf new :k2) (getf new :k2))) => (22 22) 21:35:57 see it's the same. 21:36:14 If you look the cons cells, you're breaking abstration. 21:36:27 If you call this a billion times, you'll get a list with a billion elements. 21:36:54 Yes. But since it'll be shared a billion times, it'll be O(1). 21:38:50 -!- tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.85] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:41:39 nanoc [~conanhome@201.251.103.66] has joined #lisp 21:44:14 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 21:45:02 eni [~eni@31.171.153.34] has joined #lisp 21:46:09 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 21:47:47 -!- rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:49:30 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m212-152-15-136.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 21:49:35 -!- udzinari [~udzinari@ip-89-102-31-29.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: zzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzz] 21:51:56 -!- jjkola [~androirc@193-64-20-92-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has quit [Quit: quit] 21:53:45 rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has joined #lisp 21:55:58 pjb: what do you mean by shared in that last sentence? 21:57:10 If you shadow an entry in a plist, you can easily backtrace. So even if you don't share the tail in a data structure, you keep references in the stack. 21:57:19 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has left #lisp 21:57:34 -!- steffi_s [marioooh@nat/hackerschool.com/x-fhgckawfzmheegsl] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 21:57:53 *madnificent* discovered prog1 only returns the primary value the hard way 21:58:10 that's why there's multiple-value-prog1 21:58:32 pjb: yeah, i discovered that about 5 seconds later :) 22:01:04 let's say i have a directory pathname... what's the simplest way for me to find the age of the most recently udpated file in that directory? (such as for invalidating a cache) 22:01:24 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 22:01:36 robot-beethoven: file-write-date on the directory is what i use. 22:02:08 Modifying files won't modify a directory. 22:02:24 if that doesn't do what you need, you have to jump through some hoops to get the answer in a unixy way. 22:03:43 can't you search for the maximum in the list of (map #'file-write-date (directory path)) 22:04:08 Furthermore, file-write-date has only a second resolution on unix file systems. Try: ls --full-time 22:04:29 madnificent: the implementation of directory is not consistent. 22:04:35 some functions and macros for managing files and directories in a script-like fashion would be welcome 22:04:36 robot-beethoven: the right thing to do, would be to use inotify. 22:04:57 apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:05:22 Xach: ah, i keep forgetting that. CL's file handling is dirty 22:05:34 what about using cl-fad's walk-directory with file-write-date? 22:05:34 unix's is not much better either. 22:05:38 and quite sexy at the same time... odd 22:05:48 I don't think it's dirty, but it helps to know when it doesn't do what you might want it to do. 22:06:40 it seems like it often doesn't do what you'd want it to do. they kept it broad (which is nice), but that made too many spots to be kept open. i'm not saying that they could have done a better job, it's just not optimal for me at the time. 22:08:29 noige [~jarrod@66.151.153.1] has joined #lisp 22:08:57 -!- noige [~jarrod@66.151.153.1] has quit [Client Quit] 22:10:47 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-180-8.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:11:13 -!- apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 22:11:22 -!- puchacz_ [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:12:52 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-180-8.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has 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