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I'll tell Farzad when he/she/it next speaks. 00:40:18 Hey, guys, I need help a little. Is there's a way to check if string is all number or not except (equalp (coerce (parse-integer STRING :junk-allowed t) 'string) STRING)? 00:40:45 (every 'digit-char-p string) 00:41:01 If you meant "digit" instead of "number". 00:41:12 coerce 'string doesn't work on integers 00:41:24 And if it worked, it'd fail on "000123" ! 00:41:35 blackwol` [~blackwolf@ool-4575fc51.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 00:41:38 Yep, I meant dice. Thanks a lot. 00:42:05 -!- harish [~harish@cm108.zeta234.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:43:25 -!- blackwolf [~blackwolf@ool-4575fc51.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:43:42 if you want to get the number and check if it occupied the whole string, (defun ensure-parse-integer (x) (multiple-value-bind (integer position) (parse-integer x :junk-allowed t) (when (= (length x) position) integer))) 00:43:50 hitecnologys: what's great is not how compilers compile themselves, that's easy. It's how you bootstrap a compiler compiling itself. 00:45:48 stassats: You're solution is fine too, thanks. 00:45:53 c0atz1n [~c0atz1n@187.172.110.173] has joined #lisp 00:46:42 -!- chturne [~chturne@host86-148-233-236.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:46:51 pjb: Hah, lol. 00:46:52 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has joined #lisp 00:47:00 Oh, 00:47:06 You* 00:47:22 pspace [~andrew@li450-44.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 00:47:29 (every #'digit-char-p string) is better if all you want is just to check 00:47:37 lisptastic [b89139e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.145.57.226] has joined #lisp 00:47:49 hitecnologys: hint: you start writing a compiler for a subset of the language, or an interpreter, in another language. 00:48:04 hello there everyone 00:48:12 except that PARSE-INTEGER works on -23 00:48:13 hello here alone. 00:48:30 -!- pspace [~andrew@li450-44.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:48:31 stassats: well, hitecnologys' question is ill-formed. 00:49:30 pjb: would it be a good idea to get SBCL for windows? 00:49:43 pjb, stassats: All I need is just to check if whole string can be converted number. 00:49:48 I'm currently using clisp and ccl on MS-Windows. 00:50:08 lisptastic: there's somebody working on improving sbcl on MS-Windows, perhaps you want to help? 00:50:11 lisptastic: I was using SBCL. It works pretty well. 00:50:27 well im just a beginner 00:50:33 hitecnologys: then read it. "#C(1 3/2)" is a string that contains a number representation. 00:50:49 reading is not safe! 00:50:52 (defun string-contains-a-number-p (str) (ignore-errors (read-from-string str))) 00:51:27 There's a parse-number in a library. 00:51:35 clhs parse-number 00:51:35 Sorry, I couldn't find anything for parse-number. 00:51:37 brr 00:51:40 minion: parse-number 00:51:41 parse-number: parse-number accepts an arbitrary string and attempt to parse it into one of the standard Common Lisp number types, if possible, or else it signals an error of type invalid-number. http://www.cliki.net/parse-number 00:52:32 pjb: do you know of any guide to help me get CCL? 00:52:53 http://ccl.clozure.com/download.html 00:53:35 thank you 00:54:09 stassats: Thanks, I'll try everything and see which is better. 00:56:24 -!- hitecnologys [~Noname@46.233.227.247] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:57:22 dams69 [dams69@85-168-131-135.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 00:57:37 -!- dams69 [dams69@85-168-131-135.rev.numericable.fr] has left #lisp 01:00:55 -!- dmx [~dmx@adsl-67-121-157-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:00:55 lebro [~monx@ool-18babb78.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 01:03:21 -!- lisptastic [b89139e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.145.57.226] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:06:34 -!- abeaumont [~Alfredo@85.85-87-28.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:06:55 my ignorant python-drain bramaged self used to think reading numbers was trivial, until i started looking for parse-float and actually thinking about how numbers are represented in text form. 01:07:46 ameoba [~sean@c-24-22-33-249.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:08:22 abeaumont [~Alfredo@85.85-87-28.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es] has joined #lisp 01:09:55 -!- ameoba [~sean@c-24-22-33-249.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:10:09 -!- ameoba__ [~sean@c-24-22-33-249.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:11:54 pavelpenev: well, parsing is trivial enough. It's converting them to their internal representation that may be hairy. 01:12:11 lcc [~lcc-pi@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #lisp 01:12:33 fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-221-59.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 01:12:48 pjb: yes, thats why i used the term 'reading' 01:12:56 lcc in #lisp! 01:13:31 pavelpenev: I mentionned it because hitecnologys asked only for parsing. 01:14:03 -!- kanru [~kanru@nat/mozilla/x-xjvdrtachcwzuzbk] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:14:16 chturne [~chturne@host86-148-233-236.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 01:15:41 -!- c0atz1n [~c0atz1n@187.172.110.173] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:17:56 pjb: hi :-) 01:18:24 ameoba [~sean@c-24-22-33-249.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:21:32 -!- lcc [~lcc-pi@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:23:45 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129070110.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:29:25 Deston [~futune@S0106602ad0905680.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 01:31:05 -!- sytse [sytse@swielinga.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:33:43 -!- ipmonger [~ipmonger@c-68-81-244-69.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ipmonger] 01:33:48 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-59-201.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:34:54 sytse [sytse@swielinga.nl] has joined #lisp 01:41:09 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@110-174-168-43.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:41:28 saschakb [~skbierm@gateway/tor-sasl/saschakb] has joined #lisp 01:43:19 harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-fxxkztqojxdjzqch] has joined #lisp 01:43:22 nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-59-201.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 01:43:31 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-247-165.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:43:54 -!- chturne [~chturne@host86-148-233-236.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:45:18 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-247-165.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 01:47:11 -!- smanek [~smanek@173-228-44-49.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:49:53 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 01:55:18 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 01:56:08 -!- Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has quit [Quit: (quit :reason 'sleep)] 01:56:18 "lcc" is a C compiler ;-) 01:57:38 pjb: is it related to ccl? 01:57:53 Oladon [~Oladon@c-98-245-40-6.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:58:51 What's the best way to insert a (variable) word into a blank in a bunch of sentences? My thought is to make a function for each sentence that returns the sentence with the argument inserted into the blank, but I believe there's got to be a better way. Any suggestions? 01:59:33 what is a sentence? 01:59:37 what is a word? 01:59:44 ... a blank? 02:00:00 stassats: sentence as in a string... 02:00:04 word as in a string 02:00:11 Maybe you want SUBSTITUE ? 02:00:17 SUBSTITUTE even. 02:00:27 (concatenate 'string (up-to-var sentence) var (after-var sentence)) 02:00:30 can you describe your problem in the terms which people familiar with lisp will understand? 02:00:35 (concatenate 'string (subseq sentence 0 where) " neword " (subseq sentence where)) 02:00:43 mon_key: that's what I meant when I said making a function for each 02:00:53 Oladon: but I would advise you to use another data structure. 02:01:00 Oladon: pjb's version uses real CL even! 02:01:28 stassats: I can try. I have a list of names of people as strings, and a list of sentences/statements that need names inserted. 02:01:57 Oladon: is a sentence/statement a string? 02:01:58 Oladon: and there's also the interpol library. 02:02:00 Sorry. I'm still trying to exactly formulate my approach myself. 02:02:02 mon_key: yes 02:02:16 where would they be inserted? 02:02:22 The thing is that I want to be able to do this on the fly, multiple times per list item 02:02:22 instead of "_________"? 02:02:30 stassats: sure, or instead of whatever 02:02:43 Oladon: and you can also use format 02:02:48 Oladon: no what stassats is asking is important. think harder. 02:02:58 (format nil "Before ~A after" "word") => "Before word after" 02:03:14 pjb: nods, my plan was to create a function using format for each sentence 02:03:23 "Dear _______, you've just won 1,000,000£. Please e-mail us your banking details" 02:03:28 heh. 02:03:33 It's not for a mass mailer, but yes, that's the idea 02:03:46 (format nil "Dear ~A, you've just won 1,000,000£. Please e-mail us your banking details" "Oladon") => "Dear Oladon, you've just won 1,000,000£. Please e-mail us your banking details" 02:03:56 *Oladon* nods 02:04:00 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-96-255-130-43.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:04:06 I'm familiar with format, just thought there might be... something even better 02:04:15 *Oladon* frowns 02:04:23 i'm a multimillionaire by now, with all those millions i have won 02:04:28 stassats: :D 02:05:42 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-221-59.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:08:12 So... I guess pjb's idea might be easiest. 02:08:19 I can replace all the blanks with ~A fairly easily 02:08:28 -!- dnolen [~user@pool-68-161-100-12.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:08:34 then have a function which takes two strings and uses format to output the joined one 02:08:41 springz [~springz@123.151.195.1] has joined #lisp 02:11:00 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 02:11:04 don't forget to replace all ~ with ~~ 02:11:26 Nods, there shouldn't be any ~ in them, but I'll add that for posterity 02:12:17 for cases when somebody won an inderminet amount of GBP, ~million 02:12:26 heh 02:13:04 *Oladon* is actually writing a role-playing character peer-completed "personality test"... 02:13:34 not better than spam-emails, actually 02:13:38 heh 02:14:01 shrug, to each his own 02:14:40 -!- harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-fxxkztqojxdjzqch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:15:45 -!- _travis_ [~travis@c-24-127-49-108.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit 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I would love to run my tongue around your asshole slowly 04:29:01 opening it to where I can suck the shit right out of your rectum 04:29:03 oh yeahhhh 04:29:10 I want to saver those nice brown turds of yours 04:29:32 hopefully you havve been eating a lot of corn like I told you to so that I can saver those shit kernels that get stuck between my teeth 04:30:59 -!- ChorizoSmegma [~ChorizoSm@180.96.16.69] has left #lisp 04:31:15 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.1.1] 04:33:09 -!- mooglenorph [~marco@70-90-96-161-ma-ne.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:33:29 wat 04:34:04 -!- sytse [sytse@swielinga.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:34:33 *Oladon* boggles 04:37:17 -!- lcc_ [~lcc-pi@75-173-88-2.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:37:25 cola_zero [~cola_zero@www5116ue.sakura.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 04:37:33 lcc [~lcc-pi@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #lisp 04:41:26 sytse [sytse@swielinga.nl] has joined #lisp 04:44:22 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#lisp 11:22:22 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-154.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:22:42 bounding box for " " (space character) is zero 11:23:05 i am trying to find workaround 11:23:56 -!- statonjr [~statonjr@cpe-098-024-165-246.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: statonjr] 11:26:09 cfdm [~user@222.235.51.254] has joined #lisp 11:27:22 I don't deal with spaces so I haven't noticed that, but thanks for the heads-up 11:27:30 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-154.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:30:12 -!- ur5us [~ur5us@223.194.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:33:42 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-154.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:37:25 kanedank [~kanedank@pool-72-74-50-53.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:37:36 morning! 11:38:18 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:38:57 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@59.92.181.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:39:07 Guest81693 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I have to use advanced-width. 11:47:51 Yes, sounds logical. 11:48:24 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-154.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:49:07 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-154.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:51:25 I want to have a better understanding of macros; would the euler problems be good at helping me understand them? 11:51:48 Macros are brain-damaged compilers. 11:52:08 Usually they're best used to give convenient syntax to function calls. 11:52:26 e.g., (with-foo x) -> (do-with-foo (lambda () x)) 11:52:53 Occasionally they're used for things like loop. 11:52:55 kanedank: I've done the first few dozen problems or so in various languages, including lisp, i don't remember using a macro. 11:53:24 -!- hitecnologys [~Noname@94.137.45.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:53:27 hitecnologys1 [~Noname@46.233.248.49] has joined #lisp 11:53:43 hmm, okay. well I still don't really get macro calls, except that they seem to make what I would normally make a function call into a constant/inline one. 11:54:00 kanedank: Euler problems are not designed to exhibit the strong points of Lisp. 11:54:14 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:54:30 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 11:54:40 pjb: where does lisp look good then for a new project? especially for a newbie like me with little library experience? 11:55:04 kanedank: it's still good to do them in Lisp, to be able to compete on the DSLs terrain, but we could design a set of problem where lisp would shine and where other languages like C or Javascript would fail lamentably. 11:55:11 I was kind of hoping to find something easy to beat my head against, or at least a somewhat solved/known one in case I get stuck 11:55:23 kanedank: now, if you want to learn about macro have a look at Casting Spels in Lisp Conrad Barski, M.D. http://www.lisperati.com/casting.html 11:55:25 pjb: agreed, one of the problems me and my friends solved by looking at the input data and guessing(correctly on the first try). no code at all :) 11:55:40 -!- kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:56:23 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-182-50.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:56:50 kanedank: where lisp looks good, is where it has been designed for: symbolic computation. For example, maxima, symbolic derivation, theorem (or program) proving, etc. 11:58:10 kanedank: lisp is also very good to write compilers or interpreters. 11:58:19 ez271 [507997a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.121.151.166] has joined #lisp 11:58:25 Most of the other programming languages have started as lisp programs. 11:58:40 Smalltalk, Haskell, Javascript, etc. 11:59:54 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-154.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:59:55 Visual basic, cobol, ... 12:00:04 hmmm, problems a bit over my head atm :) 12:00:21 No, cobol didn't start as a lisp program, but lisp was used to good effect to solve Cobol Y2K problems. 12:00:37 scheme (ducks in case of lurking scheemers :) 12:00:45 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-49-243.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:01:04 clojure (ditto) 12:01:25 does any web framework in lisp have good support for REST? 12:01:30 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-154.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:01:39 kanedank: restas 12:02:13 -!- girzel [~user@50-56-99-223.static.cloud-ips.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:02:30 -!- ez271 [507997a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.121.151.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:02:36 pavelpenev: thanks! 12:02:59 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:03:44 I've played around with pythons flask, which enjoys some popularity, I find restas to be better. 12:08:43 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:10:26 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:10:28 Vutral_ [~ss@vutral.net] has joined #lisp 12:10:30 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:10:34 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@59.92.181.1] has quit [Quit: Kron awayyy!] 12:10:56 -!- acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:10:58 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:11:02 Kron_ [~Kron@59.92.181.1] has joined #lisp 12:11:13 acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has joined #lisp 12:11:28 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 12:11:48 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 12:12:52 antonv [2e35c344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.53.195.68] has joined #lisp 12:13:22 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 12:13:46 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:14:59 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 12:15:12 nanoc [~conanhome@201-251-62-201.static.speedy.com.ar] has joined #lisp 12:15:46 -!- EarlGray [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:15:58 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-154.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:16:44 EarlGray [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 12:16:54 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-154.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:22:11 there's no way to do /* */ like in cpp/c/java, right? 12:22:37 sure there is #| |# 12:22:43 #| this is a comment |# 12:23:16 kanedank: you can write a reader macro to do /* */ like in cpp/c/java. 12:23:17 ah, thanks! 12:23:58 pavelpenev: but #| is not #| like |# in C |# ! 12:24:18 thats why i just use ; 12:24:31 ; is not like in C either. 12:24:46 You'd have to write your own reader macro to make it as dumb as in C 12:26:27 #| |# is like (* *) in Pascal, not like /* */ in C. 12:26:34 i don't believe I've actually seen #| |# in code I've read 12:27:06 BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-034-009.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:27:26 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-154.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:30:12 kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 12:32:34 drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has joined #lisp 12:35:40 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-163-141.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 12:37:37 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-33-22.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:37:50 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-wbkscriozatksigu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:41:23 -!- Guest81693 [~am0c@121.128.78.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:44:39 hitecnologys [~Noname@109.120.32.151] has joined #lisp 12:44:39 -!- hitecnologys1 [~Noname@46.233.248.49] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:45:33 is there a well documented project that uses fivam? 12:45:37 fiveam* 12:46:44 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #lisp 12:49:08 -!- p_l|home [~pl@91.222.124.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:49:30 -!- gurrag [~gurrag@unaffiliated/gurrag] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:51:35 kenanb [~user@94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 12:52:06 -!- rbarraud_ [~rbarraud@222-155-139-54.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:55:51 -!- kenanb [~user@94.54.237.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:57:13 gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 12:58:01 Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has joined #lisp 13:02:26 -!- saschakb [~skbierm@gateway/tor-sasl/saschakb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:03:43 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 13:03:51 sigjuice: not directly 13:04:13 is there a way to look through quicklisp code to get a list of projects that use a particular library? 13:04:30 to use quicklisp/not look through quicklisp code 13:05:07 kanedank: You will be wondered but all projects are on github. 13:05:43 Sneps 3 is interesting as a case where migration of a lisp app to java was stiffled 13:06:06 kanedank: there isn't a direct function to do exactly that 13:06:23 kanedank: you could use (ql-dist:provided-systems t) and then ql-dist:required-systems to do it, though. 13:09:29 kushal [~kdas@114.143.161.186] has joined #lisp 13:09:29 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.161.186] has quit [Changing host] 13:09:29 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 13:09:38 hitecnologys: wait, all projects that are available through quicklisp are on github? I'm not really familiar with the advanced features of github, but I can run a query like that? 13:10:30 kanedank: Yes. They are in the quicklisp repository. 13:10:57 kanedank: incorrect. 13:11:15 hitecnologys: the list of projects is in github, but not all projects are. 13:11:23 usually you can find a fork there though 13:11:31 and project relationshionships are not in github 13:11:51 Xach: I'm not sure I understand what you said, is there a manual for quicklisp that documents those commands? 13:11:52 Xach: Hm, OK. But they are on github anyway. 13:12:08 hitecnologys: Not necessarily. 13:12:33 kanedank: no, sorry. i would like to make one. in the meantime, the functions are documented in the source (e.g. M-.) 13:12:57 Xach: okay, well thank you very much! thanks again for making something as awesome as quicklisp 13:13:06 kanedank: (ql-dist:provided-systems t) will give you a list of all systems. for each system, you could check the result of (ql-dist:required-systems ) to see if the target is in the list. 13:13:43 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 13:13:46 for each system, if target is in its list of required systems, save target as a user of said system. 13:19:07 and ql-dist:required systems only works with a given object, I can't just pass 'zsort or "zsort" or something? 13:20:17 wait, that really isn't an issue, stupid me 13:20:36 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.93.185] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:21:17 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.93.185] has joined #lisp 13:21:19 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.93.185] has left #lisp 13:22:13 Archenoth [~Archenoth@96.51.223.95] has joined #lisp 13:26:08 -!- nanoc [~conanhome@201-251-62-201.static.speedy.com.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:28:20 kanedank: you can get the name of a system object with (ql-dist:name object) 13:28:32 kanedank: or the system object for a given name with (ql-dist:system "zsort") 13:28:43 i think it would be better to work on names mostly 13:31:54 is this a good lisp code?: https://gist.github.com/3182048 13:31:58 dnolen [~user@cpe-69-203-204-197.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:33:03 kanedank: the initial indent is off. should be two spaces. 13:33:24 kanedank: i think i would also use dolist for the loops, and member for the membership check. otherwise that is the general idea. 13:33:44 oh, and i would probably accumulate and return a result instead of printing it directly. 13:36:18 -!- chu [~chu@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:36:37 Xach: ah, didn't know about dolist or member. 13:37:26 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:38:01 What kind of tutorial are you reading? 13:38:17 If you don't know about dolist or member, that must not be a lisp tutorial! 13:39:18 pcl, but I've been kind of skipping through it to try and get started quickly. 13:39:59 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 13:40:00 you can fill in the blanks as you go 13:40:22 it's a good idea to get experienced people to review, they can help point out better or more popular ways to do a task 13:40:47 thats what i did, i used a bunch of tutorials and skipped major parts of pcl 13:41:13 trigen [~MSX@devvers.tweaknet.net] has joined #lisp 13:41:40 yeah I've sat through and tried to just read pcl at least 2/3 times in the last year, but I always end up feeling stupid and never actually code anything. 13:42:14 I don't think that's bad as long as you don't start thinking that the way you get things working is the best way they could be working. 13:42:24 also, how the hell am I screwing up using "member"?: https://gist.github.com/3182082 13:42:37 Xach: ha, no worries there 13:43:05 kanedank: you're not screwing anything. As long as you pass the right object. 13:43:09 kanedank: when looking for strings, you have to pass a :test 13:43:18 kanedank: e.g. (member name list-of-strings :test 'string=) 13:43:46 leo2007 [~leo@123.114.43.4] has joined #lisp 13:44:07 nanoc [~conanhome@201-251-62-201.static.speedy.com.ar] has joined #lisp 13:44:57 -!- trigen_ [~MSX@2001:0:5ef5:79fb:30b7:123:2bd6:7949] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:45:08 kanedank: also, it might be good to call a system a system rather than "i" 13:46:20 Hello xach 13:47:33 Xach: okay, well thank you very much for all of the suggestions! 13:49:52 xach: remember that I asked for a feature to have SYSTEM-APROPOS also match system descriptions? I have a related wish... I'd love to see the output from SYSTEM-LIST or SYSTEM-APROPOS print those same descriptions together with the system names. It would be teh 4w3some :-) 13:50:39 I just wish Xach would shadow APROPOS so I didn't have to type SYSTEM- 13:51:23 Quadrescence: you can do that yourself! 13:51:45 pjb, I like defaults! 13:52:02 (shadow 'apropos) (defun apropos (x &optional p) (cl:apropos x (or p *package*)) (ql:system-apropos x)) 13:52:11 Quadrescence: rc files are made for that! 13:52:18 I 13:52:28 ve found no good way to distribute my rc files across several machines 13:52:34 git 13:52:55 Quadrescence: have a look at http://git.informatimago.com/viewgit/index.php?a=summary&p=public/rc 13:54:15 hey, I want to use fiveam/eos for my testing framework, but a lot of the examples I'm looking at (at least sheeple's) seem to interact with asdf a lot, is that normal for lisp tests? 13:54:31 zyq [57e37c83@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.227.124.131] has joined #lisp 13:54:36 Quadrescence: On a new system, I just git clone ; cd rc ; make symlinks # and I'm all set up. 13:55:00 pjb, make symlinks is a good idea 13:55:05 Is this still correct? (setq hunchentoot:*dispatch-table* (list (hunchentoot:create-regex-dispatcher "^/$" 'generate-index-page))) 13:55:09 -!- milanj [~milanj_@93-86-188-79.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:55:34 pjb: nice idea there. 13:56:54 Xach: hi. Small question about bbox for string (zpb-ttf). 13:57:03 asvil: ok 13:57:18 http://paste.lisp.org/+2SUA 13:57:39 ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has joined #lisp 13:58:13 You can see, that space has no bbox, but bbox of space with character bigger than bbox of that character. 13:58:43 So, is this behavior right? 13:58:47 yes 13:58:59 a space has no bounding box, but does have an origin and and advance width 13:59:07 bounding boxes are not additive 13:59:20 ok 13:59:32 the question "is the right" is hard to answer in detail, though. 13:59:41 it depends on what you want to do with it 14:00:45 It's a little uncomfortable to port clx font drawing code to ttf xrender drawing. 14:01:56 asvil: zpb-ttf:string-bounding-box is not a complex function; if you need different results, it might be simple to make your own. 14:02:19 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 14:07:49 superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 14:10:04 -!- 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use lisp as a shell? like lush etc? 19:19:46 yes 19:19:54 err, no 19:20:03 i only seen scsh.... 19:21:34 ah. no one's a bearded lisper enough to use it for absolutely everything huh? 19:21:56 nope 19:22:01 I use lisp for system programs instead of shell, but I don't use a repl for an interactive shell. 19:22:10 i do 19:22:20 'cause of all the ()'s? 19:22:25 i use normal shell beneath clim-listener 19:22:28 Xach, which system? 19:22:34 unix? osx? 19:22:51 bjorkintosh: unix-like systems. i don't use windows, but if i did, i might use lisp for system jobs there too. 19:22:55 but the normal shell in xterm/mrxvt is ugly....and does not give me history completion nor *prompt* 19:23:00 tho i set it up 19:23:31 Xach, how nicely does it work with the unix tools and whatnot? 19:24:05 -!- smanek [~smanek@173-228-44-49.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:24:49 smanek [~smanek@173-228-44-49.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 19:25:19 it's pretty good at driving them. i need to look into better ways to pipeline & redirect them. 19:26:09 aha. which cl do you use Xach? 19:26:12 sbcl? cmucl? 19:26:15 sbcl (same as everyone) 19:26:15 clisp? 19:26:18 haha. 19:26:27 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-96-255-130-43.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:26:56 a lot use emacs-lisp. far more than can be counted on the hairs of a pregnant camel during ramadan. 19:27:12 -!- anon119 [~bman@12.104.144.2] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:27:56 -!- jdz_ [~jdz@89.201.99.128] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28:15 sbcl for *nix systems programming. why not indeed. 19:28:30 jdz_ [~jdz@89.201.99.128] has joined #lisp 19:30:52 BBShortcut [~user@mar92-5-82-225-147-167.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:31:06 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-96-255-130-43.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:34:10 -!- EarlGray [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:34:54 *j_king* been experimenting with developing on sbcl and deploying with ecl 19:35:25 for simple stuff anyway that doesn't rely on sbcl extensions 19:36:29 last time I tried, which was two weeks ago, ecl wouldn't compile hunchentoot 19:36:33 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 19:36:57 but for standalone command line utils, i can see it being very handy. 19:37:32 EarlGray [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 19:37:45 -!- mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:39:42 Xach, so instead of using c, or perl/python, you substitute sbcl, correct? 19:40:03 -!- jdz_ [~jdz@89.201.99.128] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40:32 ur5us [~ur5us@223.194.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has joined #lisp 19:40:48 -!- EarlGray [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:40:56 bjorkintosh: i use CL most often, but I use other stuff sometimes. 19:41:05 jdz_ [~jdz@89.201.99.128] has joined #lisp 19:41:34 Fade: SBCL is pretty handy at that too 19:41:38 or CCL 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21:27:05 -!- lcc [~lcc-pi@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:27:07 I tried to give the input as a string and then as a var with with-input-from-string but it doesn't work 21:27:32 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:27:32 you're not using windows, are you? 21:28:31 stassats: yes, let's compute 12+30 with /usr/bin/bc; in a shell I would type bc then ENTER then 12+30 then ENTER then quit then ENTER, the result being displayed before quitting 21:28:48 no I don't 21:29:11 I use Emacs ;-) 21:29:25 that's irrelevant 21:29:38 under Debian 21:31:20 (sb-ext:run-program "bc" () :search t :input (make-string-input-stream "12+30\n") :output t) works fine 21:31:24 make \n a literal new line 21:32:39 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:33:53 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 21:34:13 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:34:16 -!- dronner [~j@162.135.77.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:35:26 although (+ 12 30) works better 21:35:39 stassats: OK it returns a process 21:36:11 stassats: 42 works even better here ;-) 21:36:32 still have to figure out how to get the output from a process but this will be okay I guess 21:36:36 well, since you know the answer, you can stop writing anything 21:36:50 ;-)) 21:36:51 Deston [~futune@S0106602ad0905680.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 21:37:13 (with-output-to-string (str) (sb-ext:run-program "bc" () :search t :input (make-string-input-stream "12+30\n") :output str)) 21:37:15 slyrus [~chatzilla@AMontsouris-551-1-23-18.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 21:37:20 -!- kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:37:59 sb-ext:process-output doesn't gives anything... 21:38:39 i solved your problem already 21:38:43 -!- eni [~eni@217.21.147.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:39:10 stassats: your last code gives me a string that is "standard_input error" 21:39:31 what did i say about \n? 21:40:31 to make it a literal newline 21:40:37 did you? 21:40:59 no 21:41:28 if you cannot do that, then (with-output-to-string (str) (sb-ext:run-program "bc" () :search t :input (make-string-input-stream (format nil "23+19~%")) :output str)) 21:41:48 hmm, it's quite stunning how well sbcl analyses code 21:42:04 sytse: could be better, though 21:42:13 BBShortcut: why do you use bc anyway? 21:42:36 it even manages to track whether a variable cannot have been changed since before a certain other object has been created, and if so, they will never eq 21:43:10 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:43:11 stassats: in practice I want to use sudo -kS 21:43:27 billstclair [~billstcla@p-69-195-53-4.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 21:43:27 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-69-195-53-4.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:43:27 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 21:43:36 statonjr [~statonjr@cpe-098-024-165-246.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:44:14 why not just disable password asking for sudo? 21:44:26 wait, it may not, I made a silly error 21:45:17 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.93.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:45:34 stassats: I wanted to know how to run-program and you very much helped me 21:46:04 maybe I will disable password for sudo but anyway now I know how to run-program 21:46:14 stassats: thank you 21:47:10 not that it's not really easy to drive arbitrary programs automatically 21:47:33 -!- yvdriess [~Beef@83.101.33.199] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:47:37 s/not/note/ 21:48:17 -!- ZabaQ [~johnfredc@ip-89-176-173-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:48:33 and sbcl creates a file into which it writes contents of the stream, and then uses this file to redirect standard input from it 21:48:40 so, it's not really secure for passwords 21:49:06 also, sudo won't accept password from stdin 21:49:30 p_l|home: why is that? 21:49:37 rswarbrick [~rswarbric@cl-1290.lon-02.gb.sixxs.net] has joined #lisp 21:49:39 is the manual lying to me? 21:50:35 ah, just noticed the -S option 21:50:47 my bad 21:50:53 a nice one isn't it? 21:53:05 -!- ace4016 [~ace4016@cpe-024-074-197-085.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: brb] 21:53:11 stassats: interesting, so I will probably disable passwords for sudo 21:54:12 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-33-22.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 21:54:18 you can use pipes, though 21:54:34 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:54:37 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 21:55:04 billstclair [~billstcla@p-69-195-54-39.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 21:55:04 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-69-195-54-39.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:55:05 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 21:55:51 stassats: what kind of pipes, Unix ones? 21:56:50 (with-output-to-string (str) (let* ((process (sb-ext:run-program "bc" () :search t :input :stream :output str :wait nil)) (stream (sb-ext:process-input process))) (write-line "23+19" stream) (write-line "quit" stream) (finish-output stream) (sb-ext:process-wait process))) 21:56:55 that will use pipes 21:57:14 ace4016 [~ace4016@cpe-024-074-197-085.ec.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:59:37 I find this better than changing sudoers, thanks 22:00:15 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 22:00:25 well, your program gets the password somewhere from a file still, so it's not entirely safe 22:00:40 it's better just not to run sudo 22:01:28 or anything from root 22:01:28 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:01:38 billstclair [~billstcla@p-69-195-54-39.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 22:01:38 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-69-195-54-39.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:01:38 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 22:02:37 -!- mast` [~alex@unaffiliated/mast/x-9924406] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:02:41 and i don't know why run-program is not using pipes for existing streams 22:03:02 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-245-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:04:17 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-96-255-130-43.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:06:27 you can also run with PTY allocated 22:06:41 what would that change? 22:07:01 the program being run thinks it's got a terminal (and will be able to open /dev/tty), and you get a stream for input and output (there's no stderr) 22:07:35 -!- ehu [~ehuels@089144206198.atnat0015.highway.a1.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:07:52 http://www.sbcl.org/manual/Running-external-programs.html the :pty argument 22:08:29 it doesn't change how streams are handled 22:08:38 p_l|home: how do you read/write to a pty? 22:08:49 francogrex [~user@109.130.82.223] has joined #lisp 22:09:11 gurrag [~gurrag@bb-216-195-184-91.gwi.net] has joined #lisp 22:09:11 -!- gurrag [~gurrag@bb-216-195-184-91.gwi.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:09:11 gurrag [~gurrag@unaffiliated/gurrag] has joined #lisp 22:09:29 BBShortcut: basically consider the stream the equivalent of serial line, and you're the terminal 22:10:17 you get apparently a bidirectional stream 22:10:30 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128230036.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:13:24 ltriant [~ltriant@110-174-168-43.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:15:14 since sudo works with stdin, you don't need pty 22:15:59 sure for bc and sudo it is okay 22:16:50 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-96-255-130-43.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:17:33 lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #lisp 22:19:22 I am not sure I want to know more about pty for the moment 22:19:22 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-96-255-130-43.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:19:40 Malkyre [~futune@S0106602ad0905680.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 22:19:56 neomage [~smanek@173-228-44-49.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 22:20:00 If you want to run something as root, it's better to make a special-purpose program and suid it 22:20:58 -!- Deston [~futune@S0106602ad0905680.wp.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:21:19 -!- waveman [~tim@124-170-25-10.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:21:25 or find a way to accomplish what you want to do as not root (e.g. there are ways to get low-ports without giving your program root access) 22:21:36 waveman [~tim@124-170-25-10.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 22:21:48 -!- waveman [~tim@124-170-25-10.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Client Quit] 22:22:26 -!- smanek [~smanek@173-228-44-49.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:23:56 jasom: my CL program will be specialized so I may indeed suid it 22:24:06 -!- gurrag [~gurrag@unaffiliated/gurrag] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:24:33 waveman [~tim@124-170-25-10.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 22:26:03 bam, i can repeatedly sighup sbcl by when using pty 22:27:13 anon119 [~bman@12.104.148.2] has joined #lisp 22:27:34 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.82.223] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:27:55 see you guys and many thanks for your help 22:27:59 -!- BBShortcut [~user@mar92-5-82-225-147-167.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:28:54 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-146-84.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:29:11 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.123.209] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:31:02 can anybody with slime run (let ((process (sb-ext:run-program "bc" () :pty t :search t :wait nil))) (close (sb-ext:process-pty process)))? 22:31:13 well, it will kill sbcl, so don't try if you don't want 22:31:55 returned T for me 22:32:10 jasom: can you do it in a newly started sbcl under slime? 22:32:27 oh, I have no idea what that will do in slime 22:32:50 Lisp connection closed unexpectedly: connection broken by remote peer 22:32:55 yep 22:32:57 thanks 22:33:03 there is no pty for slime, right? 22:33:09 *jasom* thinks about running in emacs -nw 22:33:11 -!- flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@200.238.1.1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:33:31 nope 22:33:31 well, if you run (let ((process (sb-ext:run-program "bc" () :pty t :search t :wait nil))) ) and then (let ((process (sb-ext:run-program "bc" () :pty t :search t :wait nil))) (close (sb-ext:process-pty process))) 22:33:34 same thing 22:33:35 it works fine 22:33:41 so, something is fishy 22:35:11 i hate it, each time i'm trying to fiddle with a small snippet of code i find a bug or two 22:41:46 a shorter test-case: (sb-ext:process-close (sb-ext:run-program "cat" () :pty t :search t :wait nil)) 22:42:04 funny thing is that it does happen only in slime 22:42:21 timack [~timack@hlfx50-2-142177100211.ppp-dynamic.dial.ns.bellaliant.net] has joined #lisp 22:42:31 i guess because it doesn't have a pty in slime, then gets one, then it gets closed 22:42:43 pspace [~andrew@li450-44.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 22:43:05 while in the terminal there is already one pty 22:44:39 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:44:57 ooh, does it call open with a pty arg without calling O_NOCTTY? 22:45:02 that's a bad idea. :) 22:45:24 google returns some crap about "pty ltd" 22:45:44 controlling ttys are an awesome thing. 22:46:10 (where by awesome I mean terrible horrible kludge that breaks everything) 22:46:52 it's a bug in run-program, certainly, but should be easy enough to fix. 22:49:39 foom: thanks for the solution, i would've been searching for O_NOCTTY for a long time 22:49:41 it works 22:50:34 man open 22:50:34 http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/open.1.html 22:51:07 specbot uses *apple*'s manpages? 22:51:22 well, as you can see 22:51:26 gurrag [~gurrag@unaffiliated/gurrag] has joined #lisp 22:51:57 open(1) is only standard on macos x, afaik 22:52:10 man 2 open 22:52:10 Sorry, I couldn't find anything for 2 open. 22:52:32 i can make it work with http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/ if it has a good index 22:52:37 well, however you ask it for a section 22:52:43 joshe: can't 22:52:55 that seems annoying 22:53:10 not many people even know that specbot has man 22:53:30 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:53:47 most people would probably just use M-x man or switch to a terminal, I know I would :) 22:54:33 specbot is really for showing things to other people 22:54:53 I was thinking more like manpages.debian.net or linux.die.net/man or something 22:55:05 ah, of course 22:55:10 -!- impulse [~impulse@65.92.151.209] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:55:37 impulse [~impulse@65.92.151.209] has joined #lisp 22:56:13 -!- gurrag [~gurrag@unaffiliated/gurrag] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:56:14 i use opengroup's ones to make sure that it's standard 22:56:30 right, but those aren't manpages 22:56:41 it's a good resource if you want the standard spec, for sure. :) 22:57:12 http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/open.html looks just like a man-page 22:58:28 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 23:00:01 they are the standard manpages 23:00:13 they don't cover OS specifics, but what is covered by standard 23:01:28 -!- rswarbrick [~rswarbric@cl-1290.lon-02.gb.sixxs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:01:30 I use freebsd's man service 23:01:42 it has manpages for all BSDs and Linux 23:01:50 pretty up-to-date usually 23:02:52 i usually just use whatever is installed 23:04:37 I've got Open Group's manpages as
p 23:06:51 -!- abeaumont [~Alfredo@85.85-87-28.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:07:00 abeaumont [~Alfredo@85.85-87-28.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es] has joined #lisp 23:10:10 -!- Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has quit [Quit: weil das Wetter so schön ist] 23:10:39 alright, (sb-ext:process-close (sb-ext:run-program "cat" () :pty t :search t :wait nil)) is fixed 23:10:58 so, something useful came out of the pty discussion 23:11:05 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-33-22.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:12:04 bugs, bugs never end 23:12:17 -!- pspace [~andrew@li450-44.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:23 -!- flanfl [~flanfl@cpc1-sgyl27-2-0-cust785.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:15:13 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-51.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:19:16 and i didn't know that one has to close the streams after using run-program 23:21:29 not for all streams, actually 23:22:51 -!- Guthur [~user@host86-148-164-73.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:23:09 -!- ferada [~ferada@dslb-188-097-117-130.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:24:36 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:25:09 -!- ski [~ski@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:29:28 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:29:40 who would've guessed that simply running programs is so hard 23:30:14 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-235-80.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: restart] 23:30:16 where do i subscribe to the "modern OS haters" mailing list? 23:30:25 -!- antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:30:33 -!- Malkyre [~futune@S0106602ad0905680.wp.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: eom] 23:31:30 cfy|debi` [~user@218.75.16.109] has joined #lisp 23:31:40 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-235-80.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:32:42 -!- agumonkey [~agu@85.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:32:54 -!- cfy|debian [~user@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:33:08 stassats, did you know (palindromep "stassats") => t ? 23:33:22 no shit! 23:33:50 (complement #'shit!) 23:34:01 or rather, "that's the joke" 23:34:10 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 23:34:21 (jokep **) ==> t 23:35:13 (define-symbol-macro this *) (define-symbol-macro that **) 23:35:23 good idea 23:35:25 stevejb [~user@50.46.149.21] has joined #lisp 23:36:07 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.114.43.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:36:44 ski [~ski@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 23:36:52 -!- rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:38:45 guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:41:04 -!- ski [~ski@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:41:38 Oladon [~Oladon@c-98-245-40-6.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:42:18 Has anyone created a unifying wrapper package for all of the implementations' MOPs? 23:42:48 isn't that what closer-mop is? 23:43:00 I don't remember. Is it? Let' 23:43:01 s see! 23:43:46 it is 23:43:49 Hm, it says it fills in gaps or rectifies broken MOP things. 23:47:36 zulu_inuoe [~zulu_inuo@c-174-58-204-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:48:23 ski [~ski@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 23:51:47 -!- Kvaks [~quassel@15.123.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:52:20 Quadrescence: it also gives you an unified API in case of differences 23:52:27 Kvaks [~quassel@15.123.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 23:52:35 oh okay, that's nice. 23:53:38 peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-51.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 23:55:34 -!- Harag [~phil@dsl-243-248-164.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:56:07 don't think, just use it 23:56:13 it's good for your health 23:56:32 dnolen [~user@rrcs-208-105-4-254.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:57:01 _Steeler_ [~Steeler@c-76-31-27-51.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:57:13 Is there a way to access a statically linked library in SBCL? What about LispWorks ? 23:57:25 stassats: since you're at it, how about fixing this too: "stub: The :REPORT option is not yet implemented" 23:57:36 i'm not at it! 23:58:04 Next issue: I've been contemplating how to write a macro akin to FLET or LABELS, but instead binding to lambda forms, i.e., something like LETREC: (letrec ((f (lambda (x) (* x x)))) (f 5)) == (labels ((f (x) (* x x))) (f 5)). The only way I can think of doing it is expanding the LETREC to a LABELS where the bodies of the LABELS-functions are something like: (apply arguments) 23:58:26 I can get away with it for toplevel definitions by setting the SYMBOL-FUNCTION, but now I want to do the same lexically 23:58:27 and it's not a bug, and i don't care about trace 23:58:57 Quadrescence: http://home.pipeline.com/~hbaker1/MetaCircular.html 23:59:52 Quadrescence: why do you want it?