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I didn't see anything on the website about removing packages. 00:32:51 rm -rf quicklisp/ 00:33:03 don't listen to zmv 00:33:03 ravster: There isn't much point in removing packages  they don't load automatically or anything like that. 00:33:15 unless you mean "is there [...] to remove *only* [...]" :P 00:33:23 ravster: The sources just sit there ready to be used. 00:33:26 stassats is right, don't listen to me. I'm never right. 00:33:38 but you're right just now 00:33:53 LogicBomb. 00:34:03 CamelCase. 00:34:14 logic-bomb. 00:34:37 |logic bomb.| 00:35:08 ravster: there isn't a terse way to remove a project and all its dependencies, no. 00:35:44 zmv: not really a bomb, you said you're never right, but the previous statement was right, so you're sometimes right, and the statement "i'm never right" was just one of the wrong ones 00:35:52 antoszka: okay 00:35:55 ravster: the pieces are in place to write it - you can ask what projects a project requires, and then work recursively, though you'd have to go above & beyond to only delete things that have become "garbage" 00:36:10 Xach: I see 00:36:20 antoszka: but they consume disk space! 00:36:43 stassats: :D thats why I want to do it. I'm ocd when it comes to disk-space. 00:37:00 Xach: so the present way is to just go into the directories and delete them manually? 00:37:15 Or treat the OCD :) 00:37:23 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:37:27 antoszka: hehe. that too. 00:37:28 ravster: my current way is never to delete them. 00:37:52 OCD or not, it depends on where you run it, i've used on a phone, disk space matters there 00:38:04 used quicklisp, that is 00:38:22 ravster: Think of it as a cache  you might need those systems just when your internet connection is down. 00:39:02 stassats: it does, but not enough to need to remove lisp packages 00:39:12 One could delete everything, then retry loading all the software one cares about. 00:39:16 stassats: what cl and what phone was that? (just curious) 00:39:33 antoszka: cool, and I guess it helps with reverting to a previous version too. 00:39:46 or imagine a 3rd world war, the internet is about to be crumbled, but you want to install a utility library by gwking, but you deleted it previously, so your downloading overloads the last remnants of the internet and everything goes dark 00:39:59 antoszka: ccl, some android phone 00:40:19 stassats: cool. I should learn to program on those. 00:40:43 kpreid: :) yeah, that would be a cleaner way to do it. 00:40:56 thanks, that will cost me SO MANY picodollars 00:41:08 stassats: can you do much yet with ccl on android? are there any libraries for interfacing with whatever the system provides (sockets/gui/whatever)? 00:41:27 well, you can do anything there's to do 00:41:59 potentially, one can use qt, through necessitas, but i haven't tried to figure how 00:41:59 Exactly. That's why I download everything quicklisp provides every month on all my computer. So that when WWIII or the dictatorship^Wgovernment decides to shut down the Internet whatever occurs first, I will still have the sources of everything. 00:43:26 *p_l|home* simply often can't connect to internet 00:43:44 do you fly so often? 00:45:51 stassats: no, but there's a lot of situations that can interdict my internet access, including freak weather 00:46:13 chu [~chu@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 00:47:44 Vutral [~ss@vutral.net] has joined #lisp 00:47:45 -!- Vutral [~ss@vutral.net] has quit [Changing host] 00:47:45 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 00:47:48 you guys are joking but my dad forgot to pay the internet bill last week, so i had no connection for a day and really needed a quicklisp library. Had to play civilization all day instead. 00:48:04 harsh times 00:48:09 haha 00:48:14 pavelpenev: :) 00:48:16 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Changing host] 00:48:16 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@musicbrainz/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 00:49:10 -!- chturne [~chturne@host86-167-79-19.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:49:13 try weather frying several routing nodes, damaging roads, and only one tech left at the ISP because the rest is on vacation 00:49:33 have two isps 00:49:35 p_l|home: yikes 00:49:44 stassats: not possible in my area... yet 00:49:50 and you can make Xach poorer twice as fast 00:50:04 well, there's mobile access, but for other reasons I couldn't use that 00:50:34 fortunately in october, the POTS service is coming here 00:52:09 is there something like typep which works for classes? 00:52:19 typep 00:52:20 "typep" 00:52:53 of, from the CLHS i seemed to derive that it worked for standard-class but not for classes 00:53:50 so (typep foo (find-class 'foo-class)) should 'work', right? 00:54:04 it will work 00:54:22 Do you ask questions about water and then clarify that you meant deuterium oxide? 00:55:00 Xach: i don't find the glossary statement about type specifier clear, that's why i wanted to double-check. 00:55:19 clhs 4.2.3 00:55:19 Type Specifiers: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/04_bc.htm 00:55:23 Vicfred [~Grothendi@189.228.13.234] has joined #lisp 00:55:57 grmbl, why doesn't the glossary link to that page 00:56:10 to keep #lisp busy 00:56:35 and typep does link 00:57:21 stassats: looks like it does. i assumed the glossary would be where to look 00:57:23 pterygota [~user@cpe-76-188-1-129.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:57:26 anyways, the clhs isn't going to change. thanks! 00:58:38 am0c [~am0c@203.246.179.173] has joined #lisp 01:00:57 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@S0106602ad090cd68.vc.shawcable.net] has left #lisp 01:04:25 madnificent: if you want to write a clearer proposal, you can do so on http://www.cliki.net/Proposed%20ANSI%20Revisions%20and%20Clarifications 01:05:09 madnificent: even (typep foo 'foo-class) will work. 01:05:22 defclass defines a type with the same name as the class. 01:05:33 pjb: thanks 01:06:13 -!- DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 01:09:38 coder` [~user@dslb-178-007-031-162.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 01:10:08 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 01:10:44 peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-51.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 01:11:28 zenbalrog [~yaaic@adsl-98-86-6-134.tys.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 01:14:58 harish [~harish@111.65.29.5] has joined #lisp 01:24:04 djao_ [~djao@cpe-74-72-226-19.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:24:27 -!- djao_ [~djao@cpe-74-72-226-19.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:26:47 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has joined #lisp 01:27:40 -!- ticking 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they're usually archaic ones. 04:28:41 ASau: I did mention "usually", did I? 04:28:51 _tca_: in case of SBCL you can try (setf sb-ext:*evaluator-mode* :interpret) 04:28:52 Sure. 04:29:14 Anyway, there is no common API for that kind of thing 04:29:29 In short, "you shouldn't want it." 04:29:29 you can kludge something up with a simple wrapper macro, though 04:29:52 -!- alvis [~user@tx-184-6-177-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:30:17 Well, M-. usually does better job ;) 04:30:35 Well... 04:30:47 I know some cases where you really might want it, 04:31:06 but such highly reflexive environments are usually tricky to work with. 04:31:46 Implementing the above kludge is trivial compared to the rest. 04:32:33 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-36-181-224.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has left #lisp 04:38:19 kushal [kdas@nat/redhat/x-nidecxodsuoqdnxt] has joined #lisp 04:38:19 -!- kushal [kdas@nat/redhat/x-nidecxodsuoqdnxt] has quit [Changing host] 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08:21:32 _tca_: have a look at http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/com/informatimago/small-cl-pgms/ibcl/index.html 08:21:52 Guest38531: is it you? 08:22:04 -!- Guest38531 is now known as pjb 08:22:08 ok 08:22:11 yes. 08:22:31 Pattern matching 08:22:31 connect/disconnect 08:22:39 DGASAU [~user@91.218.144.129] has joined #lisp 08:24:20 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-131.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:24:22 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: again.] 08:24:50 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 08:25:14 -!- pjb is now known as Guest95947 08:25:20 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:27:59 (koon-ut-kal-if-fee-p pjb) 08:28:57 Sorry, it's late for me. What do you mean? 08:30:09 On OSDev, http://wiki.osdev.org/Main_Page they have a few Bare Bones pages describing how to make a "hello world" kernel and boot it, in various programming language. Somebody with a little time could write there a page describing how to compile and boot Movitz, so people interested in kernel hacking may be interested in writing their kernel in Common Lisp. 08:30:20 -!- Guest95947 is now known as pjb` 08:30:32 -!- pjb` is now known as pjb 08:30:32 tcr1 [~tcr@41.78.164.200] has joined #lisp 08:31:15 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@41.78.164.200] has quit [Client Quit] 08:32:15 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 08:35:17 hmmm 08:35:44 I can think of a way to get SBCL in pure CL form to boot on PC (look ma, no C!)... but I can't be arsed 08:36:06 And I'd probably hit tons of obscure bugs due to missed dependencies on external libs :P 08:39:43 pjb: renaming yourself to Guest63158 isn't exactly helpful :) 08:39:48 -!- JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-211-58.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:40:22 also, a lisp kernel could be something fun to hack on from time to time 08:41:43 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-163-116.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:42:12 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-163-116.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 08:43:12 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 08:43:50 madnificent: depends how much you're willing to deviate from "whole OS in CL" 08:44:34 -!- xan_ [~xan@fanzine.igalia.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:48:50 is there a CL solution to produce html from some markdown or asciidoc format? 08:49:09 http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-markdown/ 08:50:54 madnificent: otoh, I'm really tempted to build a subset of CL, running on top of CL, that you could then compile to self-standing binary 08:52:36 -!- asvil [~asvil@178.121.59.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:55:49 see ECL? 08:56:25 dim: too much runtime involved 08:56:59 partially because it is a "full" CL 08:57:16 p_l|home: i don't think a lisp-only os is a viable option in the mid-long run, but it could be something fun to toy with nonetheless. i don't grasp what you want to do with the subset of CL. can you rephrase? 08:59:19 madnificent: having full CL environment as devtool, compiling closed, finalized code that can't change and doesn't depend on anything, which I can load into *whatever* 08:59:21 bege [~bege@91.146.170.203] has joined #lisp 08:59:44 p_l|home: oh, so stripping the eval out of the kernel? 08:59:47 could be considered a form of Scheme48's core system 08:59:52 but having all else of CL? 08:59:54 madnificent: and possibly other things 09:00:09 no reflection etc. 09:00:29 asvil [~asvil@178.120.135.226] has joined #lisp 09:00:51 isn't going to start feeling like parenscript? 09:01:06 kinda like parenscript, but with some effects caused by different target 09:01:52 for example, I planned on building a type system, with type derivation and such, so I could have for example untagged doubles passed in register arguments/stack 09:02:14 GC optional, too 09:02:55 well, it'd be better than no lisp, however it would still somewhat suck. i might use it on some dedicated hardware though! i have some ideas about how i want an engine to respond and behave. i'd like to build some custom control software sometime in the distant future. 09:03:27 madnificent: it's about fitting the space between assembly and full lisp 09:03:31 you want something like C, but written in lisp and with a dev-tool which gives you lisp-like features. can we still have lambda functions though? 09:04:19 either case, i'd check it out if you'd build something like that 09:04:26 Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has joined #lisp 09:04:51 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl6-182-232.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 09:05:27 something along the lines of prescheme 09:05:55 maybe even a part of a system to generate code in different languages (think meta-macro system :D) 09:07:12 bitonic [~user@host86-138-96-5.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 09:10:11 my experience with parenscript does remove some of craze i have about this 09:11:48 well, for me a bit of that is from how troublesome it's sometimes to write certain code which would be much better autogenerated 09:12:52 I want something where I could use Lisp techniques to create, for example, a small, self-contained decision tree with Q-learning bits... in *code*, not through writing some abstraction 09:13:13 or rather, making it into abstraction that will actually compile into code 09:20:19 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:21:18 pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 09:21:27 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:22:29 understandable 09:27:43 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 09:27:44 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 09:27:44 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 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(eg. when we reconnect after a disconnection). We have to do a /msg nickserv release NICK PASSWORD /nick NICK /msg nickserv identify PASSWORD danse to satisfy it, and even, sometimes it doesn't work, you have to wait. 18:22:37 p_l|home: have a look at Movitz http://common-lisp.net/project/movitz/ 18:23:09 There's no need to restrict oneself to a subset of CL to write a kernel. On the other hand, The garbage collector is NOT specified in CLHS! :-) 18:23:13 Clearly the world is ready for a punctuation mark indicating humor 18:23:40 dlowe: There are several tags available for that: etc. 18:23:44 pjb: The addition of a FREE function isn't prohibited, either 18:23:51 Indeed. 18:24:24 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 18:24:24 So, if your kernel design couldn't accomodate for a GC in it, you could manage your memory just like in C kernels. 18:25:02 But AFAICS, a good incremental GC, or a good real time GC could be perfectly used in a kernel. 18:26:32 tsuru` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-250-64.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 18:27:07 -!- Phoodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:28:15 -!- kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:29:25 a good realtime gc would be great for a lot of things 18:29:37 kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has joined #lisp 18:30:38 take a bit of headache out of games, for instance 18:30:44 -!- ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:31:21 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.123.250.201] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.1.1] 18:33:54 -!- CrazyEddy [~superexto@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:34:17 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@190.8.100.83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:35:04 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-142-148.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:35:10 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 18:35:28 -!- net4all [~net4all@bacon.lysator.liu.se] has left #lisp 18:43:01 pjb: being able to suspend garbage collection may be important though 18:44:30 -!- auganov [~auganov@77-254-179-31.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:44:43 auganov [~auganov@83.238.158.122] has joined #lisp 18:44:55 fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-229-92.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 18:49:56 CrazyEddy [~cyclonite@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 18:51:30 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@36.249.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 18:56:59 madnificent: indeed, I was about to mention a (without-gc (do-something-time-dependent)) macro for device drivers. 19:03:15 Mezon [b89139bc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.145.57.188] has joined #lisp 19:04:35 DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 19:14:46 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-23-109-205-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:15:54 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-141-210.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:19:41 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@214-106-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:21:04 -!- sytse [sytse@swielinga.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:24:11 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:24:24 sytse [sytse@swielinga.nl] has joined #lisp 19:25:57 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-192-27.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: rebooting into 3.x] 19:29:31 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-192-27.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:30:09 bitonic [~user@host86-138-96-5.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 19:31:41 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@36.249.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:34:42 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:42:31 -!- agumonkey [~agu@85.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:42:33 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl6-182-232.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 19:43:26 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:43:50 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 19:43:58 *madnificent* would like a utility to figure out how much space a certain struct/array/thing uses 19:45:07 madnificent: (time (vector 1 2 3)) 19:46:03 sykopomp: 0 bytes consed... unlikely 19:46:54 bah. SBCL ruins everything. 19:48:14 sykopomp: however, if you greatly exaggerate it and do it, say 10000 times, then --for reasonably large items-- it could yield an indication of the size 19:48:46 agumonkey [~agu@85.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 19:48:56 CCL and CLISP are both kind enough to give you useful information there. 19:49:48 sykopomp: just repeat that a couple thousand times. 19:51:19 pkhuong: yes, that's almost literally what i hinted at used as an indicator 19:51:33 but SBCL is a smartass when it comes to (loop repeat X do ...) 19:51:47 :( 19:52:26 sykopomp: i just tried collecting them, and removing the size of the built conses from that. that should give me a reasonable estimate 19:52:36 oGMo: realtime GC might be overkill for most games 19:52:48 useless consing is useless. (defun opaque-identity (x) x) is usually enough. 19:52:49 oGMo: what you need is a sensible upper bound on pause time 19:52:49 -!- Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has quit [Quit: weil das Wetter so schön ist] 19:54:33 pjb: as for OS, I believe nyef's adventures in sbcl-os land hit a rather different snag related to memory management 19:54:50 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:56:10 something about needing a way to specify that certain code modules live in specific memory areas 19:56:33 pkhuong: odd, that conses more than putting everything in a list and subtracting the size of the conses from it 19:56:51 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 19:57:41 how do you know the size of conses? 19:58:53 stassats: i created another loop in which i always placed the same element. 20:01:38 then your math is bad 20:04:46 snearch [~snearch@g224254121.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 20:08:50 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@m37-2-248-224.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 20:12:09 -!- jnbek|wc [~jnbek@pdpc/supporter/active/jnbek] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:17:37 saschakb [~skbierm@p4FEA0F1F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:20:59 Phoodus [~foo@wsip-68-107-217-139.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:21:42 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:25:24 -!- nanoc [~conanhome@201.251.103.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:29:55 kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 20:30:26 -!- flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@186.192.87.33] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31:54 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:33:30 ameoba_ [~ameoba@71-20-29-59.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined #lisp 20:35:56 lebro [~monx@ool-18babb78.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 20:37:55 -!- Mezon [b89139bc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.145.57.188] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:39:46 In anycase, the point of using lisp to write an OS wouldn't be to replicate Unix. I'd rather use more radical ideas, such as in EROS http://eros-os.org (eg. no I/O: the OS ensure the memory is persistent, etc). 20:42:42 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-192-27.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:46:07 -!- milanj [~milanj_@79-101-138-51.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:46:35 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-192-27.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:47:13 why doesn't #'+ work? 20:47:27 sorry, #'1+ 20:47:39 ah. because I was typing #'+1. 20:47:41 *bitonic* hides 20:48:06 *j_king* slaps bitonic around with a large trout! 20:51:19 milanj [~milanj_@79-101-138-51.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 20:53:56 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-163-116.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55:00 Vicfred [~Grothendi@189.143.96.159] has joined #lisp 20:55:50 -!- coliv [c7aca961@gateway/web/freenode/ip.199.172.169.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:56:01 easiere [506d3e82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.109.62.130] has joined #lisp 20:57:29 quasisane [~sanep@c-24-218-184-186.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:00:10 jnbek|wc [~jnbek@pdpc/supporter/active/jnbek] has joined #lisp 21:00:20 em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 21:00:49 eni [~eni@31.171.153.34] has joined #lisp 21:01:26 Cowmoo [~Cowmoo@cambridge-vxty.basistech.com] has joined #lisp 21:02:06 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.214.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:03:17 Arbamisto [~Arbamisto@67.197.37.202] has joined #lisp 21:03:31 (function 1) cannot work. (function \+1) could be defined. 21:04:24 And 1- made me lose time twice already. (1- x) is not (- 1 x) 21:06:09 -!- milanj [~milanj_@79-101-138-51.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:08:36 -!- k0001 [~k0001@200.41.137.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:08:56 flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@186.192.87.33] has joined #lisp 21:09:46 -!- drdo [~drdo@roach0.drdo.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:10:49 milanj [~milanj_@79-101-138-51.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 21:13:56 -!- jnbek|wc [~jnbek@pdpc/supporter/active/jnbek] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:15:20 drdo [~drdo@roach0.drdo.eu] has joined #lisp 21:15:20 jnbek|wc [~jnbek@74-220-196-96.bluehost.com] has joined #lisp 21:15:21 -!- jnbek|wc [~jnbek@74-220-196-96.bluehost.com] has quit [Changing host] 21:15:21 jnbek|wc [~jnbek@pdpc/supporter/active/jnbek] has joined #lisp 21:16:22 -!- jnbek|wc [~jnbek@pdpc/supporter/active/jnbek] has quit [Client Quit] 21:17:04 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@119.121.151.248] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 21:17:05 -!- easiere [506d3e82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.109.62.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:17:18 jnbek|wc [~jnbek@74-220-196-96.bluehost.com] has joined #lisp 21:17:18 -!- jnbek|wc [~jnbek@74-220-196-96.bluehost.com] has quit [Changing host] 21:17:18 jnbek|wc [~jnbek@pdpc/supporter/active/jnbek] has joined #lisp 21:20:09 -!- antgreen [~user@70.50.66.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:22:37 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:22:37 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-2-149-60.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:25:07 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 21:30:40 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-002-098.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:32:50 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.158.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:34:20 pjb: a shortcut for (- x 1) is *way* more useful than one for (- 1 x) 21:36:46 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-131.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:33 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-33-22.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 21:38:12 -!- eni [~eni@31.171.153.34] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:38:35 the difference between zero and zero is not that much :) 21:41:01 jasom: both are useful. I often use 1-x ie. (- 1 x). 21:41:16 -!- asvil [~asvil@178.120.135.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:44:46 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable151.155-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:46:48 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 21:47:34 -!- Bucciarati [~buccia@www.inscatolati.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:48:41 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-124-58.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:48:51 Bucciarati [~buccia@www.inscatolati.net] has joined #lisp 21:48:52 dim: depends. 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23:04:12 (or x y) 23:04:19 oh, of course. thanks. 23:05:58 bege [~bege@91.146.170.203] has joined #lisp 23:10:26 -!- bege [~bege@91.146.170.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:10:33 -!- steffi_s [marioooh@nat/hackerschool.com/x-pvhtmtavyhiemida] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 23:11:28 -!- punee [~punee@set25-1-88-166-168-141.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: punee] 23:13:15 nanoc [~conanhome@201.251.103.66] has joined #lisp 23:14:26 -!- scrimohsin [~scrimohsi@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has quit [Quit: scrimohsin] 23:17:23 -!- ebobby [~fms@38.111.144.18] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:17:44 scrimohsin [~scrimohsi@static-50-43-23-161.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has joined #lisp 23:17:45 -!- scrimohsin [~scrimohsi@static-50-43-23-161.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:17:45 scrimohsin [~scrimohsi@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has joined #lisp 23:23:44 RedneckRod [~RedneckRo@user-12hc0mo.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 23:23:52 asoom100 [~asoom100@84.235.73.217] has joined #lisp 23:25:30 hi 23:27:54 hi 23:28:38 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-96-255-130-43.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:28:44 -!- RedneckRod [~RedneckRo@user-12hc0mo.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 23:28:53 arrsim [~user@russell.its.unimelb.edu.au] has joined #lisp 23:29:47 -!- snearch [~snearch@g224254121.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:30:47 what is this room? 23:33:36 ISF [~ivan@201.82.158.233] has joined #lisp 23:34:19 -!- bitonic [~user@host86-138-96-5.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:34:43 asoom100: it's about Common Lisp, the famous programming language. 23:34:52 asoom100: you can type: /topic 23:36:46 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-96-255-130-43.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:37:50 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.158.233] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:39:02 ISF [~ivan@201.82.158.233] has joined #lisp 23:39:41 Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has joined #lisp 23:41:04 -!- asoom100 [~asoom100@84.235.73.217] has left #lisp 23:41:14 asoom100: Legendary Richard Matthew Stallman. 23:41:24 damn. 23:46:59 lifeng [~lifeng@bb116-14-140-189.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 23:47:20 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.158.233] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:48:29 ISF [~ivan@201.82.158.233] has joined #lisp 23:50:46 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-96-255-130-43.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp