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Even with pretty much empty ccl-init.lisp 00:35:36 only thing I remember upgrading is slime... gonna try cvs updating it or something 00:36:34 maxm: slime/swank have different modes, perhaps that's that? 00:36:49 swank:*globally-redirect-io* ? 00:37:18 well it was working fine, my ccl did not change, but my slime did, gonna try to get to the bottom of it. 00:37:35 or perhaps swank:*communication-style* (member nil :fd-handler :sigio :spawn) ; but it may be outdated, I don't know. 00:37:48 check your ~/.swank.lisp and the manua. 00:37:51 manual 00:38:11 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:38:46 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has joined #lisp 00:39:05 *communication-style* is spawn, *globally-redirect-io* nil 00:39:18 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:39:41 it appears from repeating (bt:all-threads), that active 100% cpu thraed is "reader-thread" 00:40:30 I have *globally-redirect-io* t. 00:40:58 do you set it specifically, or its default? I don't change any swank globals from defaults anywhere 00:41:32 specifically in ~/.swank.lisp: (defparameter swank:*globally-redirect-io* t) 00:41:44 But check the manual, it may not be relevant. 00:42:02 Bacteria [~Bacteria@dyn-130-194-155-39.its.monash.edu.au] has joined #lisp 00:44:37 hww wtf is swank-indentation-cache-thread? it seems always active too 00:47:00 stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.249.201] has joined #lisp 00:47:51 fantazo [~fantazo@91.119.101.47] has joined #lisp 00:50:33 zodiac1111 [~zodiac111@124.90.130.187] has joined #lisp 00:52:03 updating to cvs slime did not help.. I think its some nikodemus hackery on slime-indent.. 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That's 10 users per implementation! 01:51:06 can't be just 300 users... github full of lisp stuff I had no time to checkout yet :-) 01:51:14 flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@177.142.160.5] has joined #lisp 01:51:15 SLIME HEAD might not. 01:51:20 300 prolifix users. 01:53:09 pseudomander [~pseudoman@101.165.37.46] has joined #lisp 01:54:44 teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has joined #lisp 01:55:09 -!- tensorpudding_ is now known as tensorpudding 02:11:05 k0001 [~k0001@host76.190-228-122.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 02:35:07 -!- zodiac1111 [~zodiac111@124.90.130.187] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:38:06 zodiac1111 [~zodiac111@124.90.130.187] has joined #lisp 02:41:47 tvaalen [~r@67.217.170.35] has joined #lisp 02:45:53 -!- ravster [~user@184.175.28.107] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:46:12 -!- tvaalen [~r@67.217.170.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:55:26 chu [~chu@CPE-58-169-13-80.lns2.civ.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 02:55:27 -!- chu [~chu@CPE-58-169-13-80.lns2.civ.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 02:55:27 chu [~chu@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 02:56:07 -!- flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@177.142.160.5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:59:20 -!- joast [~rick@98.145.85.206] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:00:08 -!- ignas__ [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:02:13 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 03:02:37 -!- felher [~whitedrag@fasel.nerd2nerd.org] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 03:02:42 steffi_s [~marioooh@184.152.73.25] has joined #lisp 03:04:24 -!- asdfhjkl [~bob@i5E879A7F.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:05:58 tvaalen [~r@67.217.170.35] has joined #lisp 03:08:08 Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-50-85.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 03:08:54 -!- dfox [~dfox@89.177.105.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:12:04 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@184.152.73.25] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 03:14:49 -!- tvaalen [~r@67.217.170.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:16:35 Good morning/afternoon/evening/night 03:17:34 hello 03:18:18 joast [~rick@98.145.85.206] has joined #lisp 03:20:03 Kron_ [~Kron@2.49.82.19] has joined #lisp 03:21:34 dfox [~dfox@2001:470:9d8f:0:4261:86ff:fe8e:8446] has joined #lisp 03:24:02 -!- ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 03:29:05 tvaalen [~r@67.217.170.35] has joined #lisp 03:30:00 -!- phax_ [~phax@adsl-68-73-146-213.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:33:26 -!- tvaalen [~r@67.217.170.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:35:31 p9f [~p9f@95.106.42.170] has joined #lisp 03:36:44 Hi. Could anybody tell me, where is function slime-connect located? In what file? 03:37:44 Tried grep "slime-connect" *.lisp in slime package directory - nothing. 03:37:52 steffi_s [~marioooh@184.152.73.25] has joined #lisp 03:38:17 It's an Emacs Lisp function :p 03:38:25 in slime.el 03:38:33 (find-function) 03:38:48 Oh, silly me. 03:38:50 Thanks. 03:39:10 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:42:50 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129030155.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:43:03 -!- jesusito [~user@179.pool85-49-109.dynamic.orange.es] has left #lisp 03:43:36 hah 03:45:16 -!- p9f [~p9f@95.106.42.170] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:52:01 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 03:52:55 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-lbymzzfgneeezvzv] has joined #lisp 03:56:53 ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #lisp 04:02:19 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:04:22 alvis` [~user@tx-184-6-177-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 04:06:06 -!- alvis 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and not rebooting the box.. I patch system every weekend, but did not reboot yet... 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[~user@122.168.222.198] has joined #lisp 12:19:02 and besides does the semantics allow todo that with every unwind-protect ? 12:19:18 <|3b|> looks a bit silly, but don't see anything obviously illegal 12:19:23 oh ok 12:19:38 you mean syntx-wise ok 12:19:39 <|3b|> #+ affects an entire form 12:19:51 yes but what about the semantics here ? 12:19:53 <|3b|> so it either reads the whole thing or none of it 12:20:10 i need some help making the movitz .img file. can someone help? 12:20:13 <|3b|> if it reads it at all, the inner #+ with the same feature will get read too 12:20:13 yep i'm aware of that 12:20:25 gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 12:21:05 i mean is there a semantic restriciton to not use that idiom ? 12:21:06 <|3b|> ah, ignore the noise then :) 12:22:09 what if i changed all the unwind-protects that way in mcclim over night ? 12:22:19 <|3b|> trying to get no interrupts in the unwind-protect cleanup? 12:22:53 i'm not sure what i'm doing, i read in the sbcl manual, that many lisp libs don't do it correctly or so..... 12:22:57 *|3b|* suspect using without-interrupts for 'every' instance of anything would be bad 12:23:17 yes but inner scopes allow it again! 12:23:36 <|3b|> what are you trying to prevent from being interrupted? 12:23:39 <|3b|> and why? 12:24:02 <|3b|> not having a good answer for those in each specific use sounds like a good case of "not doing it correctly" 12:24:07 thread safety ? 12:24:11 non-local jumps ? 12:24:21 i don't know....something along that line i suppose.... 12:24:44 <|3b|> "i have no idea what i'm doing" doesn't sound like a good reason to add a bunch fo without-interrupts 12:25:25 section 12.1.3 of sbcl manual 12:26:34 homie: I'd advocating disabling interrupts in the cleanup forms in an uwp by default (and requiring the user to explicitly allow them); other people disagree. 12:27:32 hmmm, ok the above idiom is suggested for interactive passages.... 12:27:34 it seems 12:27:44 like debugging stuff etc.... 12:27:56 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.195.174] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:28:00 i have to rethink..... 12:28:10 meh 12:28:10 <|3b|> is that specifically the part about terminate-thread? 12:28:14 non-local exits out of cleanup forms have particular semantic constraints 12:28:16 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.195.174] has joined #lisp 12:29:15 there's a cleanup issue about it 12:29:24 where ? 12:29:41 in clhs 12:29:48 daimrod [~daimrod@sbrk.org] has joined #lisp 12:29:50 ok will read now 12:31:56 ok then i have a scope error too 12:32:05 waahahah 12:32:20 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@119.111.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 12:37:29 Are any lisp implementations that can take advantage of non-EQL constants? That is, optimize code for constants where re-evaluating the defconstant form creates a non-EQL constant? 12:37:44 punee [~punee@set25-1-88-166-168-141.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 12:38:13 mcspiff [~user@CPE78cd8ec16698-CM78cd8ec16695.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 12:40:15 <|3b|> do you mean optimize for the specific case of non-conformant code, or do you mean do optimizations that would be broken by the non-conformant code? 12:40:24 anyone familiar with paiprolog and know how to remove predicates from the kb? 12:40:33 I believe it is (<-- ...) 12:40:48 *|3b|* doesn't know in either case, but assumes the latter is common (at least embedding the actual values in compiled code for example) 12:41:00 but it does not seem to work correctly for me, or I'm using it wrong 12:42:53 How can I see the location in the file system from where code is run? 12:43:50 |3b|, I think I mean the former. 12:43:55 But interested in the latter too. 12:44:40 I often have a lot of structs for which I want to declare as constant but end up having to do a defvar instead, but it seems like the compiler can't take advantage of my intentions. 12:45:49 Quadrescence: I use a symbol macro and load-time-value + type declarations in that sort of cases. 12:46:09 jewel [~jewel@196-210-197-27.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:46:27 pkhuong, would you care to write a short example? 12:46:54 -!- ski [~ski@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:47:05 Guthur` [~user@host86-148-164-73.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 12:47:11 ski [~ski@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 12:47:15 (defglobal **foo** (make-foo)) (define-symbol-macro +foo+ (load-time-value (the foo **foo**))). 12:47:27 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@a94-133-182-32.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 12:47:34 benny [~user@i577A7F87.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 12:48:40 -!- Guthur [~user@host31-53-155-234.range31-53.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:49:22 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:49:28 hm 12:49:32 -!- Arbamisto [~Arbamisto@67.197.37.202] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:49:52 Arbamisto [~Arbamisto@67.197.37.202] has joined #lisp 12:51:06 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: trivial-irc-0.0.3] 12:52:27 sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has joined #lisp 12:53:12 steffi_s [~marioooh@184.152.73.25] has joined #lisp 12:54:48 -!- ski [~ski@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:55:24 ski [~ski@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 12:57:16 Suthe [~Suthe@99.Red-79-156-38.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:01:14 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@a94-133-182-32.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 13:02:19 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-229-86-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:02:25 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 13:07:46 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@119.121.235.215] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:08:08 stlifey [~stlifey@121.11.118.161] has joined #lisp 13:08:15 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:08:17 Is it possible to catch reader errors, i.e symbol not found? 13:10:27 It's always possible to handle conditions. Whether the aivailable restarts are useful is another matter. 13:11:16 stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.245.108] has joined #lisp 13:12:06 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.245.108] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:12:53 pkhuong: good point. Would I be correct in assuming these are all documented in clhs? 13:15:55 edgar-rft [~me@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 13:16:32 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 13:17:51 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 13:18:53 basically, I have a package with symbols that are just constants. Based on the symbol name, these could be generated at runtime. But looking at the restarts sbcl throws, im not sure it would work. I was thinking 13:19:20 I could just catch, define, rerun 13:20:05 but it doesnt seem like sbcl will let me do that 13:20:08 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-137-155.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:22:09 KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:23:08 Yuuhi [benni@p54839F01.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:26:19 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:28:10 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-137-155.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:30:06 -!- madrik [~user@122.168.222.198] has left #lisp 13:33:40 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@a94-133-182-32.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:34:37 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:34:41 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75d6e2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:36:09 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-137-155.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:37:25 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-137-155.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:38:49 -!- kensai [~kensai@dslb-188-099-239-174.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 13:40:57 pseudomander [~pseudoman@101.165.37.46] has joined #lisp 13:44:23 -!- wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-89-0-98-244.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:45:48 wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-89-0-98-244.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:47:18 josemanuel [~josemanue@226.199.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 13:49:03 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129168143.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 13:49:10 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@bdd230.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 13:49:36 AeroNotix [~xeno@bdd230.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 13:50:27 flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@177.142.160.5] has joined #lisp 13:53:45 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@119.111.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 13:54:44 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.129] has joined #lisp 13:54:58 (hello 'world) 13:58:06 -!- djanatyn [~user@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:58:34 djanatyn [~user@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has joined #lisp 14:00:24 how can i make something like (read-delimited-list #\Newline stream) to work? ^___^ 14:01:51 pnpuff [~luca@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 14:02:07 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:07:12 -!- pnpuff [~luca@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:07:43 foreignFunction: 1) write function read-delimited list 2) see it work 14:08:27 foreignFunction: or are you asking here to find someone write the function for you? 14:08:32 <|3b|> set #\newline to not be a whitespace char? 14:08:34 H4ns: it's already written 14:10:17 uh, nice. some day i'll know all of cl 14:10:56 <|3b|> (let ((*readtable* (copy-readtable))) (set-syntax-from-char #\newline #\a) (read-delimited-list #\newline ...)) works here 14:11:02 -!- sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:12:01 sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has joined #lisp 14:12:25 |3b|: 14:12:37 *|3b|* doesn't know what if any other problems that would cause though, might confuse embedded multi-line normal lists for example 14:12:47 Whoa, CCL has funky DISASSEMBLE output 14:13:08 <|3b|> yeah, seems it does 14:13:16 -!- pseudomander [~pseudoman@101.165.37.46] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:13:29 <|3b|> might just need to re implement it from READ and PEEK-CHAR to not ignore newlines 14:14:04 |3b|: but then it will stop reading on first #\a character, will it not? 14:14:35 <|3b|> no, that set the syntax type of #\newline to be the same as that of #\a 14:14:46 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-197-27.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:15:05 |3b|: oh, just type? so it will not be same char? 14:15:06 <|3b|> so 'constituent' instead of 'whitespace' 14:15:37 <|3b|> right 14:16:06 |3b|: thanks then! \(^^)/ 14:16:20 <|3b|> like i said though, it isn't a very good solution :) 14:16:51 <|3b|> another alternative would be READ-LINE followed by calling READ-FROM-STRING in a loop 14:17:44 Hummm. So i read-line, then read-from-string, then cons? 14:18:31 *|3b|* would probably use LOOP COLLECT, but something like that 14:19:08 oh, loop 14:20:16 *foreignFunction* still not fully mastered loop and ashamed for this =^___^= 14:20:20 <|3b|> actually, i guess that isn't right either, and fails in same cases 14:20:29 <|3b|> so back to original READ + PEEK-CHAR loop 14:21:21 dnolen [~user@cpe-69-203-204-197.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:21:55 <|3b|> or maybe READ-PRESERVING-WHITESPACE instead of READ 14:22:28 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:23:29 Why does your readtable binding solution signal "Illegal character #\\Newline. [Condition of type CCL::SIMPLE-READER-ERROR]" if the newline is not preceded by whitespace? 14:23:57 <|3b|> oops, that's another problem :) 14:24:04 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@226.199.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 14:24:11 <|3b|> it tries to include the #\newline in the preceding token 14:24:19 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@bdd230.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:24:46 aha. usig #\) instead of #\a avoids that particular problem 14:24:47 AeroNotix [~xeno@bdd230.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 14:26:08 <|3b|> yeah, 'terminating macro char' is probably a better syntax type 14:27:46 <|3b|> would be better to define a specific macro char that didn't complain when seen while trying to read a normal list, but not sure you could define it to not return anything, which is what whitespace should do 14:28:17 -!- smanek [~smanek@204.28.125.157] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:28:35 <|3b|> though i guess #+ does something like that, so might work 14:28:50 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@184.152.73.25] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 14:29:52 <|3b|> yeah, replacing set-syntax-from-char with (set-macro-character #\newline (lambda (s c) (values))) seems to work 14:31:48 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@bdd230.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:32:03 steffi_s [~marioooh@184.152.73.25] has joined #lisp 14:32:30 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@119.111.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 14:33:44 <|3b|> foreignFunction: can't think of anything obviously wrong with using set-macro-character and read-delimited-list, not sure if that is actually cleaner than READ-PRESERVING-WHITESPACE + PEEK-CHAR loop or not though 14:35:08 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-211.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:38:00 |3b|: at least it's easier than reimplementing (read), imo ^___^ 14:41:12 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Bacteria] 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It's an interesting idea. 16:17:29 take your sources to read on your tablet for holiday, if a trip is boring :) 16:17:40 But then you could probably just write such a thing in Common Lisp directly. I think adlai lendvai and dwim.hu guys had something along those line 16:18:17 nkraft [~nkraft@ip72-192-253-246.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:18:18 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 16:18:44 I will check with him, thx 16:19:00 -!- Arbamisto [~Arbamisto@67.197.37.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:19:03 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 16:19:15 <|3b|> doesn't seem like it would be too hard to build out of colorize and some code-walker lib 16:19:51 <|3b|> or by asking swank where things are defined instead of walking the code by hand 16:20:19 Arbamisto [~Arbamisto@67.197.37.202] has joined #lisp 16:22:05 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-238-195.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:22:10 I should but that in docbrowser 16:22:18 Should be trivial 16:22:46 loke: you mean trivial to write or it is written already? 16:22:53 trivial to write 16:23:06 maxm: you actually MUST dispatch on *print-readably* in print-object. print-unreadable-object does just that. 16:23:50 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has joined #lisp 16:23:55 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-sgdtnlydvtuxmgna] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:24:27 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-djncypsuihjcvarw] has joined #lisp 16:24:37 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-69-203-204-197.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:28:34 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@cpe-72-227-171-11.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:23 steffi_s [~marioooh@cpe-72-227-171-11.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:31:41 heh clisp *print-readbly* can't be read by other lisps 16:32:03 coz it prints 'make-instance as |CLOS|:|MAKE-INSTANCE| 16:36:15 This should be reported as a bug. 16:36:49 That said, CL doesn't impose that symbols exported from CL have CL as home package. 16:37:06 can you do it pls (if you can reproduce)? I don't really subscribe to clisp, and my version is who knows from where 16:37:21 ok, I'll do it. 16:41:09 any paiprolog users come across the retract not removing facts when you use a var eg. (?- (retract (some-fact ?X))) 16:46:14 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-211.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:47:46 -!- lemonodor [~lemonodor@cpe-76-172-30-205.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: lemonodor] 16:48:44 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:50:21 lemonodor [~lemonodor@cpe-76-172-30-205.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:51:02 -!- SHUPFS [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:56:04 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 16:56:59 tensorpudding [~michael@99.148.200.61] has joined #lisp 16:58:17 springz [~springz@118.26.56.145] has joined #lisp 16:58:22 LittleCreature [~fearofmus@unaffiliated/fearofmusic] has joined #lisp 16:59:28 SHUPFS [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 17:01:20 -!- wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-89-0-98-244.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:01:28 hi, i remember once reading a very brief academic paper on lisp where a set of around 10 rules was used to describe the whole language... i was wondering if anyone knew which paper i am thinking of, i would like to read it again but i cannot remember the title or author 17:01:35 dnolen [~user@cpe-69-203-204-197.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:02:06 The original paper is: http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/com/informatimago/small-cl-pgms/aim-8/index.html 17:02:38 But there's a lot of papers written since, that present 1-page lisp or scheme interpreters. 17:02:57 lolprog [~let@94-225-44-126.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 17:03:13 H4ns: i got around to trying clojure on a raspberry pi -- painfully slow it was like watching paint dry -- 38 seconds to get a prompt from start up command line 17:04:29 what java did you use? 17:04:41 java-7-jdk 17:04:52 from the wheezy debian repos 17:05:15 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 17:05:54 i dont think that is the paper im looking for... i know im being quite vague however 17:05:55 java unfortunatly is probably always going to be a pig on the raspi as getting it working using jazelle is probably not going to happen as it requires lots of license fees 17:06:26 LittleCreature: in the AIM serie there's the first scheme paper too. 17:06:32 ukscone: jazelle was also a flop, afaik 17:06:43 jazelle-rtm aka jazelle-2 is better 17:06:51 but has rather different target 17:07:16 Snaffu [~No@oh-69-34-16-39.sta.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 17:07:22 p_l|backup: yup as far as i know it requires that someone (not sure who) has to pay license fees to use it and then sign lots of ndas 17:07:48 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-165-83.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 17:08:50 ukscone: it was also not really effective 17:09:38 pity though as there are a lot of things that use JVM which would be nice to have 17:09:52 but just too slow to be worth looking at 17:10:37 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-211.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:10:45 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 17:11:47 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-211.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:13:32 For newbies slowness is a good thing: they can see how drawing algorithms work, they can see immediately what O(n^2) or O(2^n) mean, etc. 17:14:37 yeah although 38seconds to get a prompt and about 3 seconds to do (+ 1 2 3) is a bit much 17:15:00 pity that CCL won't work on it 17:16:12 it will eventually just if i am the one doing it it will be quite a while as i have several other things that take priority so won't be able to really hit it for a few weeks and will have to learn a lot 17:16:15 to do it 17:16:43 as i'll have tpo brush up on arm assembler, vfp AND lisp 17:16:53 I've been wondering, how practical is it to use LLVM as a JIT on ARM? 17:17:05 pkhuong: well, Android 3.x uses it 17:17:36 (for renderscript - from LLVM bytecode to ARM/x86/mips/shader/DSP/whatever) 17:18:31 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@119.111.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:19:34 -!- lemonodor [~lemonodor@cpe-76-172-30-205.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: lemonodor] 17:19:36 personally, I've been wondering about using LLVM with SBCL for some time, but my compiler-fu is nowhere close 17:21:49 I've been thinking about starting from scratch, to better exploit the availability of a compiler at runtime, instead of trying to be very smart. That's lead to a project that specialises C (and clang blocks) at runtime (: 17:22:02 *maxm* added the most useful thing to log4cl since I wrote it, quick save/restore of named configurations, autosaving to ~/.log4cl-configurations file. lets you do stuff like (log:restore :debugging-crap-a) or (log:restore :feature-b)) etc 17:23:08 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Quit: cya] 17:23:44 -!- smithzv [~smithzv@99-71-111-56.lightspeed.whtnil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:24:16 I hope to release the kickass slime integration pretty soon too.. Just need to figure out whats the current fad on including .el files into one's system, and pushing them to Emacs that slime is loaded / connected from 17:25:10 runciter [~mrw@c-71-204-145-111.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:27:55 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-djncypsuihjcvarw] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:28:31 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:28:49 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@181.132.160.27] has joined #lisp 17:28:50 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@181.132.160.27] has quit [Changing host] 17:28:50 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has joined #lisp 17:30:43 -!- tsuru` [~charlie@adsl-98-87-46-253.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31:51 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@119.111.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 17:32:10 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-69-203-204-197.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:33:26 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-211.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:34:19 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-211.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:38:36 -!- nkraft [~nkraft@ip72-192-253-246.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving on a jet plane...] 17:38:57 -!- zxq9 [~zxq9@FL1-119-244-163-13.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:41:52 -!- runciter [~mrw@c-71-204-145-111.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:41:58 -!- nha [~prefect@g230118158.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:43:15 -!- SHUPFS [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:44:36 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-211.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46:11 SHUPFS [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 17:46:20 -!- Snaffu [~No@oh-69-34-16-39.sta.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:52:15 steffi_s_ [~marioooh@cpe-72-227-171-11.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:52:16 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@cpe-72-227-171-11.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:52:18 -!- steffi_s_ is now known as steffi_s 17:53:41 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:54:31 snearch [~snearch@f053012171.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 17:56:32 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-tdkdsfbllnsnqdco] has joined #lisp 17:57:14 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129168143.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:59:54 DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-25-105.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 18:02:09 killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has joined #lisp 18:02:22 maxm: I'm right now debugging the NIH log thing dlw wrote at ITA 18:02:24 sigh 18:03:29 anybody using abcl ? 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18:36:47 i don't get it..... 18:36:58 something requires jna.jar 18:37:06 homie: add it to classpath 18:37:10 i put it in the source into the dist/ dir 18:37:11 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:37:39 where is the classpath specified when building with ant ? 18:37:46 is it in the build.xml file ? 18:38:24 homie: build.xml, CLASSPATH environment variable, etc. 18:39:15 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.114.35.219] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.1.1] 18:40:07 -!- springz [~springz@118.26.56.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:40:46 ok 18:40:49 -!- danishman [~kvirc@62.243.156.218] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:42:30 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 18:45:37 -!- meiji11 [~user@S0106f8d111247e29.mh.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:47:14 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053012171.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:47:44 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@119.111.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 18:50:13 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@cpe-72-227-171-11.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 18:55:22 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:55:37 -!- LittleCreature [~fearofmus@unaffiliated/fearofmusic] has left #lisp 18:56:11 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:59:41 macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-17-133.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 19:02:04 k0001 [~k0001@host76.190-228-122.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 19:12:55 lemonodor [~lemonodor@cpe-76-172-30-205.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:21:57 -!- 31NABD042 is now known as mafs 19:25:22 z1l0g [~jgw@216.99.214.24] has joined #lisp 19:25:33 greetingz lisp ppl 19:26:28 nope 19:26:39 don't know how to require jna 19:26:43 over and over 19:26:59 i even set the classpath env variable.... 19:27:00 how does one remove a method from PRINT-OBJECT? For example: 19:27:04 (defmethod print-object ((x myclass) stream) (format stream "#" (myclass-name x))) 19:27:16 how would I remove that? 19:29:16 more specifically, what are the proper args to REMOVE-METHOD for the above 19:30:10 *|3b|* would guess something returned by FIND-METHOD 19:30:39 and what would the proper args to FIND-METHOD be? 19:31:32 -!- alexander__b [~alexander@140.100.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:31:37 jsoftw [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined #lisp 19:31:57 clhs find-method 19:31:57 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_find_m.htm 19:31:57 jewel [~jewel@196-210-197-27.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:32:37 is franz publishing/selling some kind of full IDE ala lispworks? 19:34:48 nkraft [~nkraft@ip72-192-253-246.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 19:35:37 alexander__b [~alexander@140.100.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 19:35:47 hmm, must have been looking at a different version of CLHS last night; didn't see any examples... 19:36:34 are there better ways of removing a method? 19:37:05 <|3b|> if you just need to remove 1 or 2 you can use the slime inspector on the GF 19:37:47 but slime is just using REMOVE-METHOD? 19:37:54 <|3b|> i would expect so 19:38:06 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:39:01 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:39:17 I guess one simply rolls a custom tool if a lot of removals are needed 19:39:56 meiji11 [~user@S0106f8d111247e29.mh.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 19:40:16 if there is that many you should probably question why you added them 19:40:58 *|3b|* tends to just leave them there or restart 19:41:25 right; this is just an exercise. was trying to emmulate DEFSTRUCT's :print-function for Classes 19:41:58 -!- teggi [~teggi@113.172.45.222] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:42:03 for structures one could just redefine the structure to remove the print-function 19:42:26 steffi_s [~marioooh@38.117.157.140] has joined #lisp 19:42:51 wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-89-0-98-244.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:43:19 -!- flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@186.192.87.33] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43:19 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:44 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:48:51 -!- meiji11 [~user@S0106f8d111247e29.mh.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:20 I guess I could re-run (defmethod print-object (x myclass) stream) (format stream "#" (type-of x))) 19:50:12 does anyone know if the free version of Allegro CL comes with Franz Prolog implementation? 19:50:17 z1l0g: (remove-method (function print-object) (find-method (function print-object) '() '(myclass t))) 19:50:35 the default output is implementation-dependent I think, right? 19:50:56 z1l0g: you should use print-unreadable-object 19:51:20 oh, okay - I was trying to stuff something other than nil in there 19:51:33 (defmethod print-object ((self myclass) stream) (print-unreadable-object (self stream :identity t :type t) (print 'hi stream)) self) 19:52:08 oh, right, to revent unexpected uglyness 19:52:13 *prevent 19:52:22 Notice print-unreadable-object doesn't return the object, but print-object must return it, to be conforming. 19:54:02 well, once again, #lisp has been an enlightening experience - THANKS! 19:55:42 -!- z1l0g [~jgw@216.99.214.24] has quit [Quit: That's it for today] 19:56:08 osa1 [~sinan@81.95.121.102] has joined #lisp 19:56:48 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:57:14 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:57:56 -!- Myk267 [~myk@adsl-71-149-250-130.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Myk267] 20:02:08 -!- wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-89-0-98-244.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: 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20:11:59 ok 20:12:18 actually, i don't think it's been debugged for anything but sbcl 20:12:25 couldn't load cffi and cffi-uffi-compat too.... 20:12:27 and on sbcl -- it might as well have been using sb-cover 20:12:36 I think cffi works on ecl 20:12:47 ok do you know why sbcl is demanding more memory all of a sudden ? 20:12:58 nope here it faulted with cffi 20:12:59 not that images made with asdf-dependency-grovel may not be functional 20:13:02 i mean ecl 20:13:20 you use more libraries? some of them eat more memory? 20:13:27 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:13:27 no 20:13:31 the same .sbclrc 20:13:37 nothing new 20:13:50 and somehow i got that behaviour as of late.... 20:13:51 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:13:53 don'tknow why 20:14:14 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:15:16 -!- lobo_d_b 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