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01:12:37 wbooze: hmmm ... pairs in lisp ... there must be some CONStuction that allows one to have a pair together :) 01:13:01 oh duh 01:14:13 yeah yeah cons 01:14:28 kanedank [~kanedank@c-75-68-165-28.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:14:39 building up, and taking apart is my problem.... 01:14:55 especially....for longer constructs.... 01:15:13 have to do it first recursively i know..... 01:15:27 will do it tomorrow 01:15:43 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.133.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:16:22 (defun pair (automobile something-obscene) (let ((payr (make-array 2))) (setf (aref payr 0) automobile (aref payr 1) something-obscene) payr)) 01:16:25 no recursion necessary! 01:16:35 it's a common pattern for Lispers to invent their own pairs, since it lacks them. 01:17:09 well i usesd cons 01:17:11 if only there was a LOOP that might allow one to, say, COLLECT the pairs ... 01:17:13 sometimes we invent our own IF statements, but they're not necessary for Lisp programming most of the time, so it's only an intellectual exercise. 01:17:18 and it got hairy somehow 01:17:52 Henry Baker has a nice webpage somewhere with convenient definitions for things like local functions. 01:18:17 *drewc* does not know what the problem/solution is, so he is just saying what he knows for fun really. 01:19:04 lol 01:19:12 thanks for the hint 01:20:10 -!- timack [~timack@hlfx50-2-142177100229.ppp-dynamic.dial.ns.bellaliant.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:22:00 timack [~timack@hlfx64-2a-210.ns.sympatico.ca] has joined #lisp 01:22:17 yep, reading about things and getting them into your blood are two pair shoes! 01:22:24 lol 01:22:39 *wbooze* syringes! 01:23:38 -!- Phoodus [~foo@wsip-68-107-217-139.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:33:33 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 01:34:29 -!- steffi_s [marioooh@nat/hackerschool.com/x-uvdizuslumjbspji] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 01:36:48 hh 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I have since written my own dispatcher library that I am using now... and the pimrary web server that I use now is hunchentoot. Butm UCW came out before hunchentoot, so is not hunchentoot based. Neither is my library for that matter. 05:33:29 But* ... not Butm ... 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He posted the source but it went down. Does anyone has a copy? 09:05:57 -!- DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-25-105.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 09:06:46 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:07:31 -!- tiripamwe [29dd9f55@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.221.159.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:08:30 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 09:09:09 I'm pretty sure Gabor Melis left his email address in a couple public mailing lists. 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slots are each effectively sets (expressed as lists, simple enough), but what I'm looking to do now is express a certain heirachy of slots, something like "slot C is the union of slot A and slot B." Has this been done before? Don't want to re-invent the wheel if I don't need to. 13:35:22 agumonkey [~agu@85.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 13:35:58 implementation dependent ? 13:36:26 homie: I'd be fine with implementation dependent 13:38:45 BigOne [~user@101.228.122.199] has joined #lisp 13:38:54 Hello? 13:39:24 I have some question on common-lisp implementation. 13:39:59 What implementation of common-lisp is more popular, clozure or sbcl? 13:43:13 -!- alama [~jessealam@stgt-5f702687.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:43:45 teggi [~teggi@113.172.45.222] has joined #lisp 13:44:01 BigOne: sbcl AFIK 13:46:12 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.251.45] has quit [Quit: my website: http://stardiviner.dyndns-blog.com/] 13:47:30 rootlocus [~rootlocus@124-169-143-110.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 13:49:33 jasox: As I know, the clozure is better than sbcl on thread program. 13:51:24 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053006106.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:52:07 not really, sbcl has pretty good threading on linux, windows is problematic 13:52:37 thx maxm 13:53:31 but... 13:53:47 Has sbcl pretty good threading on freebsd? 13:55:24 I had personally only tried it on linux, (CCL also) so can't comment.. As far as linux is concerned both SBCL and Clozure (CCL) have excellent threading, from reading other people expiriences, CCL threading also works good on Macs and windows.. Can't comment on other OS 13:56:45 anyway, you probably want to keep your program portable, bordeaux-threads is de-facto standard threading wrapper library, so you should have no problem writing code that will work on both 13:56:47 thanks for your information, maxm. 13:56:59 if you plan to do a lot of therading, check out lparallel 13:58:21 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.148.204.90] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:58:32 tensorpudding [~michael@99.148.204.90] has joined #lisp 14:00:33 -!- BigOne [~user@101.228.122.199] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:01:19 -!- pnq [~nick@AC821858.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:01:19 BigOne [~user@101.228.122.199] has joined #lisp 14:01:30 -!- BigOne [~user@101.228.122.199] has left #lisp 14:03:51 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@184.152.73.25] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 14:11:14 jasox` [~user@178.239.26.130] has joined #lisp 14:13:21 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 14:16:39 mcspiff: how about defining a read function for C that returns the union of A and B? or do you want something different?? 14:20:09 hagish [~hagish@p578bf62b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 14:23:48 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@static-64-61-115-26.isp.broadviewnet.net] has joined #lisp 14:27:29 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@116.26.24.153] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 14:29:29 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@static-64-61-115-26.isp.broadviewnet.net] has quit [Quit: gigamonkey] 14:29:41 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:30:34 flip214: That's basically what I've ended up with, a macro around defclass that lets me define those readers automatically 14:30:39 tashbear [~hucktash@unaffiliated/el-tash/x-7763973] has joined #lisp 14:32:34 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91.119.48.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:35:25 -!- wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-89-0-155-98.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:36:20 steffi_s [marioooh@nat/hackerschool.com/x-imlsgagchljgdaio] has joined #lisp 14:37:03 wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-78-35-53-154.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:38:08 hh [~fhifan84@cpe-76-90-2-187.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:39:31 -!- steffi_s [marioooh@nat/hackerschool.com/x-imlsgagchljgdaio] has quit [Client Quit] 14:42:01 wahjava [argot@fsf/member/wahjava] has joined #lisp 14:43:15 ZC|Mobile [~weechat@108-222-196-145.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:43:16 -!- ZC|Mobile [~weechat@108-222-196-145.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:43:16 ZC|Mobile [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has joined #lisp 14:45:04 fantazo [~fantazo@91.119.194.8] has joined #lisp 14:52:25 -!- lnostdal_ [~lnostdal@180.190.182.173] has quit [Quit: cyas!] 14:53:22 -!- jasox` [~user@178.239.26.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:53:46 jasox` [~user@178.239.26.130] has joined #lisp 14:57:12 -!- Sorella [~quildreen@189-12-93-5.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Changing host] 14:57:12 Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has joined #lisp 14:57:35 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Bacteria] 15:07:20 -!- EarlGray^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:07:36 EarlGray^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 15:09:42 alama [~jessealam@stgt-5f702687.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 15:11:15 -!- guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: guyal] 15:11:57 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-241-133.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:13:21 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:13:57 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 15:14:27 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91.119.194.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:15:07 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Client Quit] 15:16:40 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.134.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:17:38 flanfl [~flanfl@cpc2-sgyl22-0-0-cust619.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 15:19:01 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.134.41] has joined #lisp 15:19:16 angavrilov_ [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 15:19:20 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:20:03 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:20:15 steffi_s [marioooh@nat/hackerschool.com/x-aoyvjuyqlvcompnt] has joined #lisp 15:23:08 -!- wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-78-35-53-154.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:24:14 wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-78-35-53-154.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:25:26 -!- tiripamwe [29dd9f53@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.221.159.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:25:27 mcspiff: I think that alexandria should have a (defclass* class-name parents default-slot-options slots ...), where default-slot-options already includes :init-arg and :accessor values ... 15:25:40 (as default, that is) 15:28:07 -!- bege [~bege@212.16.150.105] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:28:36 has anyone come across a proper multiplication table for turing machines? 15:28:58 to take any two arbitrary numbers and multiply them 15:29:28 dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 15:33:30 -!- sellout [~Adium@pool-71-175-46-91.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:34:18 tiripamwe [29dd9f55@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.221.159.85] has joined #lisp 15:38:11 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 15:38:21 -!- tiripamwe [29dd9f55@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.221.159.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:39:41 quazimodo: good question. 15:40:10 quazimodo: it's so painful to write turing machine programs, that I started writing a compiler 15:40:35 quazimodo: one problem is that TM are somewhat optimized for base-1. 15:40:50 o_o 15:40:55 oh on a separate note, 15:40:58 -!- Guthur [~user@212.183.128.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:41:09 i was going through my dir of loose scripts and i found one of yours 15:41:13 But you could use any number of symbols, so you could also implement a base-10 multiplication. Much harder. 15:41:21 whats script.lisp? 15:41:39 It's a file I load from my other /usr/bin/clisp scripts in my ~/bin 15:41:52 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:41:53 just useful utilities? 15:42:48 See for example: mfod newpassword one-of radio 15:42:49 yes. 15:43:10 i haven't done lisp in so long 15:43:16 had to quickly learn python 15:43:26 http://git.informatimago.com/viewgit/index.php?a=summary&p=public/bin 15:43:29 ever done python, pjb? 15:43:41 No, not really. 15:43:58 I did a little ruby and php. 15:44:30 I think I'd like ruby more, but ATM its python 15:44:33 -!- BobViolence is now known as shupfs 15:44:36 extremely readable code 15:44:51 *quazimodo* wonders if lisp is considered readable 15:45:33 I find it more readable than most other code bases, for two reasons: 1- it's more concise. 2- programmer use macros (to define abstractions). 15:46:02 That means that 1- you have to read less code to understand what happens, 2- you need to read less code to understand what happens (usually). 15:46:07 are you talking abut common lisp ? 15:46:15 All lisp with macros. 15:46:41 pjb: interesting that you say that, there was a guy in #python that considered macros (specifically lisp macros as he uses lisp too) to be nightmares for readability 15:46:57 That's what people who don't know lisp think, indeed. 15:47:24 "omg how can we read code if people make up new keywords with unknown syntax all ze time" 15:47:25 maybe :D 15:47:48 TOO MANY FUGGIN BRACKETS SHIT 15:48:02 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:48:10 :P 15:48:20 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 15:48:29 quazimodo: Some macro definitions might be a bit harsh.. But chances are there is no need to even decrypt them. 15:48:43 seems like i'm at the mercy of pcl again! 15:48:45 bleh 15:48:59 the book, or the CLOS? 15:49:22 no portable common loops 15:49:30 so the CLOS 15:49:34 ah yes 15:49:43 i dont understand the CLOS -=at all=- 15:49:53 *quazimodo* runs off to read 15:50:08 quazimodo: Or run off to play around with it. 15:50:26 i'm on clim-listener, and tried to point the mouse over some file and right click it for getting a menu presentation 15:50:33 instead i get into the debugger 15:50:46 worked before 15:50:58 now on sbcl-1.0.57 it won't 15:51:51 neither the new mcclim nor the old mcclim work the way like above... 15:51:53 what the shitfuck 15:52:06 methods dont 'belong' to their class/instances 15:52:36 nope 15:52:40 they don't 15:52:43 they get looked up 15:53:07 more loosely coupled but greater flexibility ..... 15:53:26 flexible, or broken? 15:53:30 -!- abeaumont_ is now known as abeaumont 15:53:30 heh 15:53:43 well yes the semantics of looking up maybe..... 15:54:04 quazimodo: To make it more fun these methods you're talking about are instances of method objects. 15:54:16 cd ../ 15:54:18 quazimodo: flexible. It encourages a style of design that's nicer to deal with (imo) than having to deal with objects that 'have' code in them. 15:54:21 dammit 15:54:49 schmx: methods are objects too in python 15:54:58 each method is its own object 15:55:05 but it has a parent i guess 15:55:10 *schmx* agrees with sykopomp. Once one gets used to CLOS (or other systems much like it) then it is a pain to work with something else. 15:56:05 quazimodo: Don't worry about it. Just play around with it. Maybe read some good books on the topic. 15:56:11 quazimodo: #'foo can refer to a function or a generic function. That means that you can turn regular functions into generic ones only when you need extensible behavior. 15:56:25 and then all you need to do is to replace the function definition with a defgeneric + defmethod. 15:56:49 sykopomp: lisp is really, really different :) 15:56:50 haha 15:56:58 every time i come back to it, its weirdness weirds me otu 15:57:00 One problem with classic OO, is that the methods are not saved with the objects in the databases. 15:57:18 quazimodo: Whatever. Go read a book and try to write something in it. 15:57:19 On the other hand, lisp could store the method in the databases along with objects, but we don't do that with CLOS. 15:58:04 hrm 15:58:08 yeah im reading more 15:58:18 quazimodo: read harder. 15:58:26 code moar! 15:58:33 sykopomp: haha i detect frustration :P 15:59:10 ok 15:59:34 quazimodo: I think it's the frustration of every week I look in this channel and someone is talking about how lisp is really different from language XYZ. 16:00:00 Probably some truth to it, of course. :) 16:00:02 part of the territory of being lisp 16:00:26 Someone tweeted today that Lisp has more pundits than programmers. 16:00:43 probably 16:01:02 quazimodo: But yeah. The CL object system is different from the "standard" OO. Personally I prefer it. I have a nicer time writing cleaner code, and dreaming up things in it. It "gets in the way" less. 16:01:16 -!- jasox` [~user@178.239.26.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:26 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@38.137.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 16:01:36 jasox` [~user@178.239.26.130] has joined #lisp 16:01:43 quazimodo: Not just the OO that does that. Lisp has some nice features. Also it has big annoying chunks. (: 16:01:55 lol 16:01:59 big annoying chunks :P 16:02:15 hrm does make-instance return an object or actually create it 16:02:35 seems like it returns it 16:02:47 -!- jasox` [~user@178.239.26.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:48 make-instance does whatever you tell it to do. Usually, it's meant to create an instance, initializes it, and returns it. 16:03:25 quazimodo: You might enjoy the book "Object-Oriented Programming in Common Lisp" by Keene. 16:03:32 quazimodo: if you have questions about what lisp functions do, you can read CLHS. For example: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_mk_ins.htm 16:04:04 quazimodo: PCL also has a great intro to using CLOS. I recommend starting there, although i haven't read Keene's book :) 16:04:10 sykopomp: yeah i know the hyperspec 16:04:10 quazimodo: I don't think it will help you write more code though. But if you're interested in behaviour of CLOS then it's quite nice. 16:04:14 i guess i just wanted to chat about it 16:04:30 at the moment, i'm forced to write in python 16:04:36 because the libs I need to use are in python 16:04:53 quazimodo: #lispcafe is supposedly more chatty. People here can get quite annoyed by too much noise. :) 16:05:01 of course #lispcafe is pretty silent ;) 16:05:18 quazimodo: http://common-lisp.net/project/clpython/ 16:05:24 yep there are 3 people 16:05:47 #lispgames is a pretty chatty place if you also happen to be into games. 16:09:45 -!- wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-78-35-53-154.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:10:28 wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-78-35-53-154.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:11:44 stlifey [~stlifey@116.26.24.153] has joined #lisp 16:11:44 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:02 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:15:32 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 16:19:56 -!- alama [~jessealam@stgt-5f702687.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:23:33 nauar [~Grunt@18.Red-193-152-191.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 16:26:03 pnq [~nick@ACA20C86.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 16:26:13 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:26:26 -!- nauar [~Grunt@18.Red-193-152-191.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:28:00 MysteryBanshee [~nomnom@host109-150-240-129.range109-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 16:28:28 (Z) chJYBbYnh 16:28:35 -!- MysteryBanshee [~nomnom@host109-150-240-129.range109-150.btcentralplus.com] has left #lisp 16:28:58 gna [~gna@141.138.137.48] has joined #lisp 16:29:01 Hyperiod [6d96f081@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.150.240.129] has joined #lisp 16:30:26 i need that key that was pasted here, otherwise a baby will die! 16:30:32 :> 16:30:34 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:31:16 *Hyperiod* needs to upgrade to the latest version of lisp... 16:32:34 loke [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 16:33:05 -!- Ralith_ [~ralith@63.64.64.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:36:23 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@176.222.168.194] has joined #lisp 16:36:24 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@176.222.168.194] has quit [Changing host] 16:36:24 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 16:37:47 Hello 16:38:03 [6502] [5e24f17b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.36.241.123] has joined #lisp 16:38:23 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-241-133.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:39:01 <[6502]> Yo. Why the optional result form of dolist and dotimes is a single form and not an implicit progn? 16:39:54 Most likely because it would look very weird 16:40:28 Aiwass [~user@5-12-0-176.residential.rdsnet.ro] has joined #lisp 16:41:47 -!- CrazyEddy [~irreprehe@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:42:05 <[6502]> loke: i agree... actually I even find weird the single result form 16:42:39 Yeah. I can happily admit that I have never used that form in DOLISP 16:42:41 DOLIST 16:42:57 If I need something more advanced than a simple list iteration I head directly to LOOP :-) 16:44:41 in sbcl, in the arguments list given to run-program, if a string is clearly specified (inline), everything is okay, if a parameter of the function that call run-program is used, error "The value VARIABLE is not of type SEQUENCE." is raised. the variable is of type string, an equal applied on the inline string and variable returns true 16:44:55 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 16:45:05 *maxm* heads for iterate.. well loop if its something like simple sum or simple collect, but once I started hitting some performance holes, I started storing sequences in vectors, so (iterate .... (vcollect elem)) is pretty useful for making fill-pointer vectors 16:45:22 Aiwass: show your code 16:45:29 Aiwass: please paste the code 16:45:48 i want the code too! 16:45:49 lol 16:45:55 maxm: is vcollect much better than VECTOR-PUSH-EXTEND? 16:46:12 (meta-process (run-program "/usr/bin/metaflac" 16:46:13 '(filename "--show-tag=TRACKNUMBER" "--show-tag=ARTIST" "--show-tag=TITLE" ) 16:46:13 :output :stream)) 16:46:24 it's the filename variable that is with problems 16:46:55 Args is supposed to be a list 16:47:02 yes 16:47:22 Aiwass: ah 16:47:23 loke: it uses vector push extend, but you don't have to initialize the vector yourself.. ie (iterate (for i from 0 to 10) (vcollect i)) is shorter then (let ((a (make-array 0 :adjustable t fill-pointer t))) (dotimes (i 10) (vector-push-extend i a)) a) 16:47:32 :output should go outside the args list 16:47:33 <[6502]> Aiwass: may be you mean (list filename ...) instead of a quoted list? 16:47:35 Aiwass: you have a quote there 16:47:45 CrazyEddy [~complier@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 16:48:01 I will try this way 16:48:28 oh yeah 16:48:36 Silly me. forget what I said 16:48:37 -!- gna [~gna@141.138.137.48] has left #lisp 16:48:40 Aiwass` [~user@5-12-0-176.residential.rdsnet.ro] has joined #lisp 16:49:35 yes, that was the problem, thank you. I had no examples, except with '() as args lit 16:50:02 lukys [~lukys@88-104-46-249.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lisp 16:51:36 -!- Aiwass [~user@5-12-0-176.residential.rdsnet.ro] has left #lisp 16:51:43 -!- Aiwass` [~user@5-12-0-176.residential.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Client Quit] 16:53:15 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:53:32 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 16:55:59 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA20C86.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:58:35 hello chaps, has anyone noticed a string of characters in this channel? 17:01:15 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:01:55 -!- rootlocus [~rootlocus@124-169-143-110.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:04:12 <[6502]> sure both LOOP and ITERATE look quite odd guys in common lisp (despite ITERATE being described as more "lispy") 17:04:50 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:04:58 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:05:17 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:07:22 -!- zanoni [quassel@nat/indt/x-stgrxalcbfrpprea] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:14:42 <[6502]> in (iterate (generating i '(1 2 3)) (collect (next i)) (collect (next i)) (collect 42)) the result should be (1 2 42 3 42) or (1 2 42 3) ? 17:15:12 slyrus [~chatzilla@99-28-163-106.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:17:55 jewel [~jewel@196.215.148.118] has joined #lisp 17:18:56 -!- wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-78-35-53-154.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:18:58 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:19:09 -!- lukys [~lukys@88-104-46-249.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #lisp 17:19:59 morning 17:20:02 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:20:24 wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-78-35-53-154.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:21:52 [6502]: (1 2 42 3) 17:22:23 [6502]: I get an error, "'(1 2 3) should be a symbol" 17:23:11 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@38.137.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 17:23:28 <[6502]> flip214: sorry, it should be (generating i in '(1 2 3)) 17:23:48 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 17:24:16 <[6502]> daimrod: thanks, so iteration stops in the middle at first (next ...) call that gets evaluated on an exhausted generator 17:25:19 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@38.137.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 17:25:37 [6502]: That's what looks the most logical to me. 17:29:08 <[6502]> daimrod: I agree. I have sort of a discomfort however thinking to (next ...) calls that may quit the loop being buried into deep expressions 17:31:04 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33:42 any of you who can call himself hardcore lisper ? 17:33:56 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 17:35:10 homie: nobody is that puerile here 17:35:16 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Quit: cya] 17:35:23 oh ok 17:36:08 -!- harish [~harish@119.234.188.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:36:08 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:36:11 *[6502]* has a tatoo reading suppa-duppa-lispa 17:36:32 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:37:24 -!- SrPx [b1110f44@gateway/web/freenode/ip.177.17.15.68] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:37:54 on which body part ?! 17:37:56 lol 17:38:21 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 17:38:40 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:39:29 flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@186.192.87.33] has joined #lisp 17:40:52 ebobby [~fms@70-36-138-190.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 17:45:15 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:48:03 nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p5089C0AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:49:43 dmizzle [~dmizzle@c-76-23-19-120.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:52:06 SrPx [b1110f44@gateway/web/freenode/ip.177.17.15.68] has joined #lisp 18:09:30 alama [~jessealam@stgt-5f702687.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 18:15:24 #lisp'ers: There is a 3 month full-time contract (could be extended) that one of the companies I contract for is offering, and they have asked me to search. So, if you are available for the next 3 months, for contract work, please /msg me and I can tell you more. 18:16:14 *drewc* got a contract about 5 years ago with a similar thing posted to #lisp, so figures this is a good place to start from. 18:16:17 CampinSam [~user@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 18:16:47 -!- wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-78-35-53-154.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:18:22 wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-78-35-53-154.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:23:15 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-234-017.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 18:29:08 -!- angavrilov_ [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:29:34 -!- setmeaway2 [~setmeaway@118.45.149.206] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:36:49 -!- EarlGray^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:40:01 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA1024.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:44:20 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze 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http://paste.lisp.org/display/130239 21:32:31 i'm not sure i got the gcd thing right there in sub-rat 21:37:17 nope 21:37:23 wasn't 21:39:40 Guthur [~user@host86-150-89-176.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 21:43:03 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91.119.194.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45:42 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:46:03 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.113.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:46:05 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 21:46:33 -!- nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p5089C0AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:49:50 kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 21:52:43 ok corrected some bloody errors 21:52:51 http://paste.lisp.org/display/130241 21:54:39 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 21:57:46 <[6502]> homie: why nesting labels? 21:58:12 -!- brandonz 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