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Need I permission to publish translation of cltl2ed from author and digital press? 05:53:32 yes 05:53:36 probably 05:54:03 Natch [~Natch@178.73.212.230] has joined #lisp 05:54:55 -!- borkman is now known as BobViolence 05:55:04 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 05:55:04 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 05:55:04 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 05:55:08 nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p57AD7D98.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 05:56:30 they have tel number! 05:57:42 -!- sporous [~sporous@antispammeta/bot/irssi/sporous] has quit [Disconnected by services] 05:57:54 sporous [~sporous@antispammeta/bot/irssi/sporous] has joined #lisp 05:59:19 -!- Ralith [~ralith@63.64.64.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:59:36 licensed to Butterworth-Heinemann 05:59:46 digi press belongs to DEC 05:59:56 and apple has the full sources .... 06:00:04 weheh 06:00:10 Ralith [~ralith@63.64.64.178] has joined #lisp 06:01:43 peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-51.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 06:02:05 homie: does it mean that i need to ask apple? 06:02:14 "apple"* 06:03:41 -!- spacefrogg^ is now known as spacefrogg 06:05:04 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 06:05:21 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 06:11:27 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:13:43 -!- echo-area [~user@123.120.225.32] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:13:54 -!- lisporu [~chatzilla@124.123.173.211] has left #lisp 06:17:35 -!- v0|d [~user@85.110.123.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:21:26 slyrus [~chatzilla@99-28-163-106.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:31:18 DrForr [~jgoff@d149031.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 06:32:35 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.193.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:35:29 asvil: no idea, call them and ask ?! 06:36:08 homie: )ok 06:36:20 harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-edydkkpuudkvdkuz] has joined #lisp 06:36:20 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-16-10.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 06:37:17 so symbolics is the one who sells macsyma ? 06:37:47 heh genera+macsyma = $500 06:37:56 not bad 06:38:45 -!- nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p57AD7D98.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:42:47 gko [~user@220.228.255.202] has joined #lisp 06:46:12 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 06:47:01 tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 06:47:01 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:47:24 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:48:38 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@125-239-196-121.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:52:20 -!- Myk267 [~myk@adsl-71-149-255-106.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Myk267] 06:59:14 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 07:00:20 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:00:30 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Quit: .] 07:00:57 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.113.210] has joined #lisp 07:05:51 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-226-248.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: sleep] 07:08:50 -!- fantazo_ [~fantazo@91.119.48.229] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:12:41 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-148-93.as43234.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:13:58 MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-148-93.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 07:15:31 Quaydon [~aaaaaaa@cpe-024-074-028-225.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 07:17:26 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-16-10.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 07:18:00 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 07:23:36 treyka [~treyka@85.234.199.185] has joined #lisp 07:24:30 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.113.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:24:54 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.113.210] has joined #lisp 07:32:47 flanfl [~flanfl@cpc2-sgyl22-0-0-cust619.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 07:36:03 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 07:36:03 ZabaQ [~jconnors@85.207.11.34] has joined #lisp 07:36:12 -!- irpanech6 is now known as irpanech6_ 07:37:22 rbarraud [~rbarraud@125-239-196-121.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 07:38:25 -!- irpanech6_ is now known as irpanech6 07:39:36 stlifey [~stlifey@121.11.119.163] has joined #lisp 07:42:11 -!- Ralith_ [~ralith@63.64.64.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:42:18 Ralith_ [~ralith@63.64.64.178] has joined #lisp 07:42:28 dekuked [~dekuked@c-75-68-165-28.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:42:32 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:43:25 hey, I'm using fedora 17, and sbcl 10.57, but when I M-. over a basic cl function it takes me to an empty buffer. Is this a fedora specific issue? Or an sbcl one? 07:44:09 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-16-10.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 07:44:10 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLink@1.144.6.66] has quit [Quit: Bye] 07:44:14 Mn ? 07:44:24 slime ? 07:44:51 yep 07:45:22 -!- mindCrime [~prhodes@c-67-162-98-95.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:45:38 -!- irpanech6 [~user@24.68.147.165] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:45:38 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:45:54 sykopomp, mon_key, drewc: found the clsql problem, but another question surfaced ... but this I'm asking on #sbcl 07:46:00 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:46:26 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 07:46:31 irpanech6 [~user@24.68.147.165] has joined #lisp 07:47:17 <|3b|> dekuked: what is the name of the empty buffer? 07:47:38 insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-7-47.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 07:47:38 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-7-47.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Changing host] 07:47:38 insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has joined #lisp 07:48:45 mindCrime [~prhodes@c-67-162-98-95.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:50:18 -!- wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-89-0-129-98.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:51:21 wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-89-0-129-98.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 07:52:35 c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-monxreopehztgyin] has joined #lisp 07:53:49 -!- mindCrime [~prhodes@c-67-162-98-95.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:54:27 AeroNotix [~xeno@aeak84.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 07:55:15 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:57:58 Blkt [5bdae005@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.218.224.5] has joined #lisp 07:58:50 good morning everyone 07:58:55 mindCrime [~prhodes@c-67-162-98-95.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:58:59 -!- Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:00:56 dekuked: do you have the source installed? 08:01:37 -!- ticking [~janpaulbu@87.253.189.132] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 08:02:27 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@aeak84.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 08:03:32 ticking [~janpaulbu@87.253.189.132] has joined #lisp 08:03:49 -!- ticking [~janpaulbu@87.253.189.132] has quit [Client Quit] 08:06:49 pkhuong: ah, I don't think so. 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What I mean by this is that the thread is shown as running but it has stopped doing its job 10:25:44 KDr2 [~kdr2@123.122.103.166] has joined #lisp 10:29:02 hitecnologys [~No_Name@109.120.39.20] has joined #lisp 10:32:06 nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has joined #lisp 10:34:20 Kenjin: M-x slime-list-thread, and look at the keybindings. There's one to run the debugger in the thread at point. 10:34:25 am0c_ [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 10:36:57 pkhuong: thanks 10:42:18 does that work while connectec 10:42:24 connected to a remote image? 10:42:40 I'm getting "no frame at point". I think I'm missing something 10:43:44 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@121.11.119.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:44:33 treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has joined #lisp 10:44:45 -!- mindCrime [~prhodes@c-67-162-98-95.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:46:29 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:46:54 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 10:48:29 mindCrime [~prhodes@c-67-162-98-95.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:48:31 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 10:49:40 -!- Posterdati [~tapioca@host113-237-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:51:53 ... I just found out about an industrial espionage virus in AutoLISP o_O 10:53:05 harish [~harish@119.234.128.248] has joined #lisp 10:55:51 -!- hitecnologys [~No_Name@109.120.39.20] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:56:08 hitecnologys [~No_Name@109.120.39.20] has joined #lisp 10:56:34 alama [~jessealam@stgt-5f702687.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 10:56:59 Kenjin: yes, it works in remote images. 10:57:35 stlifey [~stlifey@116.26.24.153] has joined #lisp 10:59:46 -!- hitecnologys [~No_Name@109.120.39.20] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 10:59:48 hitecnologys1 [~No_Name@109.120.39.20] has joined #lisp 11:03:43 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-170-213.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:04:20 is it a privelege escalation in the autolisp environment? 11:05:12 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-150-32.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:05:33 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:05:41 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-150-32.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:06:26 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:06:33 mathrick__ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 11:07:13 -!- xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.194] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:09:33 xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.194] has joined #lisp 11:10:24 -!- kanru [~kanru@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:11:41 -!- Mazingaro [~Tetsuja@host113-237-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16:44 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 11:17:31 -!- Blkt [5bdae005@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.218.224.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:17:33 Fade: no, it copies itself to your AutoCAD projects and sends copies of drawings to china 11:17:47 lol 11:17:56 well, that's subtle. 11:18:08 Fade: it covers every windows AutoCAD version since 2000 11:18:25 has bits of VBScript to deal with windows as well 11:18:55 -!- KDr2 [~kdr2@123.122.103.166] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19:22 KDr2 [~kdr2@li378-127.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 11:19:29 -!- KDr2 [~kdr2@li378-127.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19:49 apparently it went epidemic in Peru and quite probably known file drops are abandoned after the author drowned in deluge of project files 11:21:24 given how barratrous the business culture in the united states is, I'm kind of surprised that MSFT hasn't been named in a class action for loss of IP/income 11:21:38 it's really sort of amazing, and, I guess, off topic. 11:22:05 Fade: Actually... I'd say that in the end, they aren't as much guilty as they are viewed regarding the "quality" 11:22:41 and their developer deals are probably best when it goes for bang per buck for a new company 11:24:39 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:27:39 Blkt [5bdae005@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.218.224.5] has joined #lisp 11:30:02 -!- treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:31:11 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-170-213.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 11:31:25 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-170-213.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:34:10 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:34:42 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-67-249-228-147.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 11:34:49 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:35:30 kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-67-249-228-147.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:35:41 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-170-213.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:36:13 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@115.242.162.39] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:36:16 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.136.187] has joined #lisp 11:36:35 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:36:50 ticking [~janpaulbu@tmo-097-82.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #lisp 11:39:05 KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:39:33 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 11:40:07 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@192.81.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:40:35 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 11:43:25 treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has joined #lisp 11:44:34 Posterdati [~tapioca@host113-237-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 11:44:41 melontrolly [~fold@71-11-241-160.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has joined #lisp 11:45:47 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 11:46:39 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:46:50 kpal [~kpal@janus-nat-128-240-225-120.ncl.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 11:47:05 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 11:47:05 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:47:25 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:52:38 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@125-239-196-121.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:54:53 pnq [~nick@ACA27C2A.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 11:57:55 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:00:02 saage [~saage@unaffiliated/saage] has joined #lisp 12:00:15 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:18 -!- saage [~saage@unaffiliated/saage] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:04:35 gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 12:08:22 dnolen [~user@cpe-69-203-204-197.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:10:29 apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:10:40 visar [~visar@46.217.68.169] has joined #lisp 12:11:13 -!- visar [~visar@46.217.68.169] has left #lisp 12:18:21 -!- mathrick__ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:18:29 I've decided that Land of Lisp presents a *terrible* style. 12:18:32 -!- LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@d54C06DE6.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:18:45 mathrick__ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 12:18:48 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129029023.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 12:19:47 What do you mean? 12:19:49 ChibaPet: from looking at the source code available at the book's web site briefly, i'd agree 12:20:56 Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #lisp 12:21:17 Is there a standard way of representing C-style curly bracket code in Lisp-style syntax? 12:21:23 Aethaeryn: no. 12:21:27 Three things. First, the author is making a stab at being Scheme-friendly with variables like "lst" and so forth. Second, he's using variables like "lst" and "lit" when he should be using properly descriptive variable names. Third, the code he presents is absolutely lacking comments. If he's aiming at new(ish) programmers, he's not teaching them a useful style. 12:21:45 Aethaeryn: no. Fortunately. 12:21:57 Aethaeryn: there's no standard way. 12:22:05 Aethaeryn: you have two extremum choices. 12:22:17 Aethaeryn: I mean, it's been tried, and there's 2-3 packages that offer a sexp syntax for C, but I don't think anyone's used them except their authors. 12:22:22 Aethaeryn: either you represent in sexps the C syntactic tree. It's quite bad, C syntax is horrible. 12:22:40 Aethaeryn: or you represent a program in sexps, that you can easily convert into C. 12:22:44 -!- Yuuhi`` [benni@p5483B169.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:22:46 BeWhy [~chatzilla@c-76-124-138-194.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:22:51 You can of course do a mix. 12:23:01 ChibaPet: I remembered getting pissed off at long variable names when I had to type BASIC games in, though (: 12:23:17 Aethaeryn: one way would be to have a representation of the C syntactic tree, used to generate the C code, and to wrap that over with lisp macros to present a usable language. 12:23:40 pkhuong: yeah, learning to type at the same time you try to learn programming. That can be a problem. 12:23:46 Same as emacs+slime+cl. 12:23:51 Aethaeryn: h, you meant "Sexp-based C" 12:23:53 *ah 12:23:57 pkhuong: I'm half-inclined to grin and acknowledge that, but this is Lisp, where we can have hyphens. No constand shift-reach for underscores. 12:24:22 Aethaeryn: have a look at http://paste.lisp.org/display/25134 12:24:31 pjb: I learned to type because I had to to get my programs into the computer. :) 12:24:36 underscore was for line continuation, and everything was case-folded. Youngsters. 12:24:44 (notice I don't deal with indentation, because emacs already does that well.) 12:24:55 -!- nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:25:01 -!- antonv [2e35c32a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.53.195.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:25:07 pkhuong: No underscore in variable names? Hm. My memory grows hazy., 12:25:29 (This was BASIC on a TI 99/4a for what it's worth.) 12:25:49 ksergio [~sgarcia@mail.ageophysics.com] has joined #lisp 12:26:49 -!- mindCrime [~prhodes@c-67-162-98-95.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:26:49 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-68-152.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:26:52 anyway, IIUC, Conrad's trying to emulate that experience with LoL. Maybe he's right that it's better in the end. Doesn't seem like it can end up worse than what I see with most first-year undergrads. 12:26:55 antonv [2e35c32a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.53.195.42] has joined #lisp 12:28:22 I like the book's approach. So far I've listed the sum of my complaints. 12:28:45 I think it's related to the observation that in such environment, the more "educated" people lagged behind people who got handed simple instruction sheets and simply got something on screen 12:28:56 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-67-151.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 12:30:04 pjb: Ah, yes, that's what I was looking for, I think. 12:30:36 I guess it's no worse than Norvig, where you can't actually complete the exercises generally without tactics learned in the following chapter. 12:30:38 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:31:57 Oh well. That's enough kvetching for this morning. Carry on. 12:32:49 p_l: Well, not sexp-based C in particular, but C-style (i.e. the curly bracket languages) 12:32:57 I just figured that C would be the most likely one to already exist. 12:33:25 Aethaeryn: then you might be interested in LinJ as well (it does java 1.4) 12:35:15 gekko_ [~jjk@78.157.103.6] has joined #lisp 12:36:21 kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 12:38:41 -!- EarlGray [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:38:47 EarlGray^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 12:39:30 ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has joined #lisp 12:40:22 pjb: wait a minute, that post is from 5 years, 9 months ago! 12:40:57 pjb: good job finding it 12:41:49 penguin [~user@c83-249-214-228.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 12:43:48 I'm new to lisp and scheme, (reading SICP). I installed guile as scheme interpreter, but how can I have it evaluate scripts without having to define (display "")? i.e. is there a way to just show "7" if the script is (+ 3 4)? 12:44:05 Aethaeryn: easy: google for site:paste.lisp.org pjb linc 12:44:05 penguin: this channel is about common lisp. see #scheme for scheme help 12:44:38 H4ns: OK. 12:44:40 penguin: Are you using the repl? 12:44:48 repl? 12:44:56 penguin: Have a look in the documentation. 12:45:02 REPL = Read Eval Print Loop 12:45:14 (loop (print (eval (read)))) 12:45:59 pjb: it's also on the front page of google for 'lisp "linc"' and 'common lisp "linc"', but apparently you have to put it in literal quotes because otherwise Google thinks it's smarter than the person typing the query and silently corrects without even the spelling error warning. 12:46:08 (loop(print(eval(poop))), the read eval poop loop! 12:46:10 My initial thought was that I just do the exercises in *scratch* buffer in emacs, but turns out elisp is quite different (from a noobs perspective) than scheme 12:46:13 lol 12:46:26 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@38.117.156.114] has joined #lisp 12:46:34 penguin: when programming in lisp, scheme, basic, etc, we tend to avoid batch processing. Sending card decks to the operators and getting print outs 2 hours later if not 20 hours later, is not good for programmer productivity. 12:46:49 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:47:03 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:47:05 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:47:08 -!- xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.194] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:47:15 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 12:47:16 -!- EarlGray^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:47:24 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:47:28 pjb: Ideal for me would be to just eval the code in emacs. But I don't know how to do that for non-elisp code. 12:47:43 penguin: therefore John McCarthy invented time sharing, so that you can have conversational interaction with the computer. 12:47:44 Aethaeryn: there's also sexpc and scexp (yes, both exist, and they're different projects) 12:47:48 EarlGray [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 12:47:49 penguin SLIME 12:47:53 penguin: M-x scheme RET 12:48:37 Sorry, it's M-x run-scheme RET Before, configure scheme-program-name with M-x customize-variable RET scheme-program-name RET 12:49:53 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 12:49:57 penguin: also, better try mit-scheme (or bigloo) than guile to do sicp exercises. An alternative is Racket which has a sicp mode. 12:50:48 Thanks everyone for very fast replies. I have some documentation to read now. Slime looks very interesting. 12:51:10 SLIME is for common lisp though, I didn't realize you're using scheme 12:51:31 penguin: but slime/swank works with CL by default. There's a swank backend for a few scheme implementations, but it's harder to configure AFAIK and flakier to run. 12:52:07 there are some modes for scheme, though 12:52:29 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@192.81.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 12:52:58 #scheme is a great place to discuss scheme, and it has a larger population of people that actually use that language rather than assuming 12:53:18 Hm, yes, I remember reading about slime in regards to my window manager (stumpwm) which lets you use slime. 12:54:06 H4ns: yes. but the ball is rolling now, and people just keep helping me here instead. You're all too nice. :) 12:54:26 penguin: you'd be helped better by people who actually use scheme. 12:55:09 Hmmm... Is it just scheme, el, and cl these days? 12:55:18 penguin: if you ask me about doing an apendisectomy or about building a nuclear reactor, I'll help as gladly. Not that I know more about that than I know about scheme. 12:56:03 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 12:56:50 Yes, sorry, didn't know about #scheme. I'll ask any further questions there. Thanks for the help. 12:57:20 Be sure to come back when you want to do sicp exercises in CL thought! 12:57:34 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@115.184.56.222] has joined #lisp 12:57:48 penguin: there's an #emacs too for some emacs-specific stuff, too 12:58:23 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@38.117.156.114] has quit [Quit: gigamonkey] 12:58:52 ahh it's a wonderful day 12:59:26 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@38.117.156.114] has joined #lisp 13:00:23 hmm 13:00:41 I wonder how many Scheme interpreters have been written in Common Lisp. 13:00:59 Aethaeryn: there's a r4rs named pseudo-scheme. 13:01:34 pjb: can an r4rs run sicp? 13:01:35 Aethaeryn: some applications implement a "portability layer" to write like if it was scheme but compiled with CL compilers. 13:01:41 Aethaeryn: mostly yes. 13:01:51 So, then, in some way it's kinda possible to do sicp 13:01:58 ? 13:02:09 kanru [~kanru@61-228-144-54.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:02:23 In more than one way yes. 13:07:48 damn, none of these packages are in quicklisp 13:09:08 Aethaeryn: ancient code need some refactoring and asdf system written for them. 13:09:41 -!- gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:10:06 -!- kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:10:41 They often have either ad-hoc system construction or use some version of defsystem. 13:11:50 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA27C2A.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:13:01 sicp doesn't use continuations, iirc. 13:13:15 So it should be trivial to write an SICP interpreter in CL. 13:14:15 Trivial to write, but not trivial to install unless it's in Quicklisp :-P 13:14:18 The proof: it's already been done! It's called pseudo-scheme. 13:14:19 Yuuhi [benni@p5483B169.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:15:05 [SLB] [~slabua@host97-170-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 13:15:05 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@host97-170-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 13:15:05 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 13:17:52 -!- apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 13:19:35 wakeup_ [~wakeup@xdsl-89-0-179-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:22:02 -!- wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-89-0-129-98.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:22:28 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:24:03 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 13:25:03 -!- wahjava [pampean@fsf/member/wahjava] has quit [Quit: Whenever we are together, its always estatically palpitating!] 13:25:07 zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has joined #lisp 13:28:56 -!- EarlGray [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:30:32 any clsql people available? question about :auto-increment resp. :autoincrement-sequence 13:30:38 EarlGray [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 13:30:55 flip214: I have worked on it 13:30:58 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@38.117.156.114] has quit [Quit: gigamonkey] 13:31:11 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 13:31:29 flip214: I dont know terribly much about its autoincrement stuff but I can look it up for you pretty quickly generally 13:31:35 bobbysmith007: are you Russ T from the changelog? thanks for telling ;) 13:31:57 flip214: indeed I am ... its not a secret if its easily googlable 13:32:23 well, I've got a sequence that I want to use for a table ... so I specified :autoincrement-sequence in the def-view-class, but when I look at the class definition with the inspector it's not there 13:33:13 and furthermore, I defined a class that _had_ that set (manually via setf) - but other views that use that as superclass don't inherit the :autoincrement-sequence thing ... 13:33:44 flip214: I assume postgreql? (not that there should be a huge difference at that layer, but... ) 13:36:32 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@38.117.156.114] has joined #lisp 13:37:05 flip214: as far as inheriting meta-class slot values I dont see how that would work without doing something else (such as adding an init-instance method that fills that slot in the metaclass from the slot on the superclass) 13:38:14 flip214: either way... that is going to be pretty special code. A paste of your class definition might help determine why the slot is not being filled from its init-arg 13:38:26 bobbysmith007: please take a look at http://paste.lisp.org/display/130220 13:38:57 I don't think that this would be so special ... I define a primary key class, and want to reuse it for some tables. sounds pretty normal to me. 13:39:37 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:39:39 EarlGray^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 13:39:44 and yes, postgresql 13:40:38 flip214: well, the slot autoincrement-sequence on the slot is set for me without explicitly setf'ing it when i evaluate the first class 13:40:53 -!- mathrick__ is now known as matheick 13:41:28 flip214: are you looking at the class definition or the slot definition? because the autoincrement-sequence slot on the id slot-definition seems set 13:41:39 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@192.81.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:42:19 bobbysmith007: yes, you're right. for %id-with-sequence it's set *if it's the first definition*. Re-definition doesn't seem to work. 13:42:44 ivan-kan` [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has joined #lisp 13:42:48 and the derived class has autoincrement-sequence NIL for me. 13:43:01 -!- matheick is now known as mathrick 13:43:01 -!- EarlGray [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:43:58 phax [~phax@adsl-68-74-59-158.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 13:43:58 -!- phax [~phax@adsl-68-74-59-158.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:43:58 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 13:44:03 -!- penguin [~user@c83-249-214-228.bredband.comhem.se] has left #lisp 13:44:25 flip214: I see that the id slot on authors is nil as you mention... I am trying to determine if this is because it is an effective-slot rather than a direct-slot (and if so what would need to be done to make that work) 13:44:45 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:44:49 flip214: err the autoincrement-sequence slot on the id slot-definition 13:46:13 and shouldn't a redefinition work, too? but that might be mop-defined behaviour. 13:46:35 [SLB] [~slabua@host97-170-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 13:46:35 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@host97-170-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 13:46:35 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 13:46:59 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:47:10 You know... It occurs to me that this channel might be better named #common-lisp or #cl or somesuch if it wishes to exclude lisps other than CL from general discussion. I wonder if there's a history of the channel extant that addresses this. 13:47:23 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 13:47:35 uh 13:47:35 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@192.81.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 13:47:47 kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 13:47:58 ChibaPet: I guess the inhabitants tell newcomers that fairly quickly :) 13:47:59 ChibaPet: right. and we should stop calling partial application "currying", too. 13:49:14 H4ns: That hair has split ends. 13:49:46 it's not uncommon! 13:49:55 at least it is common lisp! 13:50:18 i don't know i would embrace an uncommon lisp tho! 13:50:20 tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:50:21 if* 13:50:24 lol 13:50:32 ChibaPet: demanding that a channel should be what someone might think the name may mean has never worked well. 13:50:36 flip214: all the other meta-slot properties are correctly transfering to the child class though, so it seems like there must be a bug here... Unfortunately I need to feed my infant so I am going to be AFK for a little while... I will try to get back to this afterward if you are still around. 13:51:29 maybe we should rename it to more common lisp ? 13:51:33 lol 13:51:41 H4ns: Right, and I'm fine with this being focussed on Common Lisp despite it being called #lisp. My point is that we should gently guide people towards more appropriate resources, rather than bludgeoning them. 13:51:57 ChibaPet: and we don't do that? 13:52:09 if anyone knows what method is responsible for making effective slot definitions from direct ones, that might help me debug this 13:52:20 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@190.8.100.83] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:52:28 bobbysmith007: no problem. I've got a loop that sets it in all derived classes ;/ 13:52:50 bobbysmith007: compute-effective-slot-definition maybe? 13:53:35 H4ns: thanks! thats where I will start 13:53:51 bobbysmith007: This talks about setting up direct slots a bit: http://www.franz.com/support/documentation/8.2/doc/mop/concepts.html 13:54:47 ./sql/metaclasses.lisp line 462 looks like a hit 13:55:09 flip214: and I see that the slot in question is missed in compute-effective-slot, so this is definitely a bug, and I will push a patch after feeding 13:55:14 bobbysmith007: you may want to look at this https://github.com/slyrus/xml-class/blob/master/xml-class.lisp#L91 for a simple metaclass 13:55:20 -!- Quaydon [~aaaaaaa@cpe-024-074-028-225.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:56:01 bobbysmith007: thanks a lot. github, or where would I find it? 13:56:26 -!- dropster [~Kim@port284.ds1-oebr.adsl.cybercity.dk] has left #lisp 13:57:17 flip214: https://github.com/unwashedmeme/clsql/ first and then later in the official b9 repo 13:57:41 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 13:57:50 urandom__ [~user@p54B0E6C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:58:04 bobbysmith007: ok, thanks. there are multiple clsql on github, else I wouldn't have asked. good feeding! 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I'm writing C. mmm. 14:51:39 You can do it. 14:51:56 You may use a C interpreter (there are a few of them). 14:52:33 Or you can send the code to gcc, compile it to a dynamically loadable library, and unload the old version and load the new version in your running C process. 14:53:09 Note: this is something that is (or was) done by Xcode, there was a demo where they recompiled an Objective-C class, and it was loaded in a running program for testing. 14:54:04 kushal [~kdas@114.143.161.37] has joined #lisp 14:54:05 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.161.37] has quit [Changing host] 14:54:05 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 14:54:08 kliph [~user@144.92.35.150] has joined #lisp 14:58:18 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has joined #lisp 15:02:14 yeah, I'm hacking a "server" program tho, so I still have to restart the server to check for the changes 15:02:37 I'm hacking the backend part, not an extension that I can just dynamically load, which offers a better flexibility 15:02:51 just wanted to say that I got some nice habits working with CL/SLIME, really :) 15:03:17 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:03:32 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:49 alama [~jessealam@stgt-5f702687.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 15:03:50 pnathan [~Adium@75.87.250.229] has joined #lisp 15:04:05 dim: but again, you can bind C-M-x to C-x C-s M-x compile RET RET and put the commands in the makefile to reload the server. 15:04:14 s/reload/rerun/ 15:04:22 sure I could 15:04:35 I would if the code size was not what it is 15:04:37 Which is why emacs is the best IDS. 15:04:39 IDE. 15:04:43 I concur 15:05:00 I just won't recompile PostgreSQL each time I lazily do C-M-x 15:05:01 What? Is your program bigger than Firefox? 15:05:14 It's PostgreSQL? 15:05:21 yes 15:05:29 And you're touching root files? 15:05:49 you mean backend ones? 15:06:04 In the Makefine dependencies. 15:06:15 oh, those, no, it's not that bad 15:06:24 then again I'm not really wanting to have C-M-x 15:06:29 Usually when you modify a C file, make just compile this one and redo the linkedit. 15:06:44 Which is fast even on big programs. 15:06:51 the pg build system will still examine each and every directory 15:07:05 and the make install step (necessary to restart the daemon) is taking several seconds 15:07:08 Only if you touch a widely included header, or if you're using C++ (with templates) would it be slower. 15:07:23 my best move I think is to get out of CL habits when doing C 15:07:40 with a crappy build system, just checking what needs to be built can take several seconds. 15:07:54 btw, pjb, thanks for the suggestion, I might have just done that in another context 15:08:57 _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 15:10:20 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 15:10:45 _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 15:11:57 araujo [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has joined #lisp 15:11:57 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has quit [Changing host] 15:11:57 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 15:12:01 srolls [~user@c-76-126-212-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:12:26 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 15:12:50 _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 15:12:54 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 15:14:17 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:14:38 -!- ivan-kan` [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:15:00 hitecnologys [~No_Name@178.74.81.118] has joined #lisp 15:15:32 wahjava [chinoa@fsf/member/wahjava] has joined #lisp 15:17:40 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:17:48 -!- hitecnologys1 [~No_Name@109.120.39.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:18:00 -!- am0c_ [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:18:20 flip214: https://github.com/unwashedmeme/clsql/ has been updated with that patch... I havent run all the tests yet (though I dont think this would have changed anything). I did verify that the change made the inheritance work as expected in the REPL though. 15:18:29 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:20:59 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:21:44 _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 15:23:46 -!- rootlocus [~rootlocus@124-169-16-50.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:27:03 -!- UFO686 [~zhangyh@183.160.103.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:28:04 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@192.81.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 15:28:40 araujo [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has joined #lisp 15:28:40 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has quit [Changing host] 15:28:40 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 15:30:51 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31:09 -!- wakeup_ [~wakeup@xdsl-89-0-179-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:32:53 ivan4th [~ivan4th@smtp.igrade.ru] has joined #lisp 15:33:15 -!- Blkt [5bdae005@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.218.224.5] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:33:30 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 15:34:01 milanj [~milanj_@178-223-170-236.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 15:34:17 ikki [~ikki@187.193.204.218] has joined #lisp 15:34:30 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:34:38 sellout [~Adium@pool-71-175-46-91.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:35:51 _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 15:35:51 ynniv [~ynniv@c-50-133-193-236.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:37:14 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:38:15 wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-89-0-179-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:39:19 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:40:45 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@38.117.156.114] has joined #lisp 15:44:36 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has joined #lisp 15:45:58 bobbysmith007: thanks, already saw the commit. will try, thanks A LOT for the quick help! 15:47:19 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47:41 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 15:50:01 brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:51:08 -!- ikki [~ikki@187.193.204.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:51:17 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52:04 _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 15:52:11 tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:52:20 mon_key: "I'm not sure how to fix the encoding errors in the imported pages. It 15:52:20 looks like most of them are Latin-1 and are already escaped as junk 15:52:20 characters, but I remember there were a few articles/edits that 15:52:20 weren't escaped. I think it's ok to leave the junk in there and let 15:52:20 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:52:24 people fix errors manually. 15:52:48 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 15:52:48 yikes, did not mean for the CR to be copied and pasted there 15:53:24 *drewc* will use *scratch* to paste and remove the CR's from now on 15:54:06 (got that email from the person who wrote the new cliki) 15:54:21 morning 15:54:31 bobbysmith007: no, there's some bug there. 15:55:18 ikki [~ikki@187.193.168.246] has joined #lisp 15:55:46 cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has joined #lisp 15:57:45 previously the autoincrement-sequence value had to be quoted, ie. 'my-sequence 15:57:51 but this now gives me an error: 15:58:16 'GETGLOBALKEY fell through ETYPECASE expression. Wanted one of (CLSQL-SYS::%SQL-EXPRESSION ... SYMBOL STRING NULL). 15:58:24 cheezus1 [~Adium@75-119-242-38.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 16:01:01 If I do ":autoincrement-sequence my-sequence" without a QUOTE it works ... but that's different to the previous behaviour. 16:01:20 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-170-213.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:01:21 don't think that this is ok - might break every other attribute, too 16:01:47 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04:28 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:06:42 -!- Quaydon [~aaaaaaa@cpe-024-074-028-225.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:06:51 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:07:38 -!- hitecnologys [~No_Name@178.74.81.118] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:08:38 wahahah 16:08:49 pnq [~nick@AC8399C0.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 16:09:05 i had the same defs in both cl-user and clim-user package and gc threw me into ldb 16:09:12 after some time.... 16:09:30 and *gc-inhibit* is set to false somehow.... 16:09:46 hitecnologys [~No_Name@178.74.81.118] has joined #lisp 16:10:42 they were all toplevel and package interned...heh 16:11:13 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.247.218] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 16:12:09 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-170-213.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:12:21 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-73-86.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 16:14:49 drewc: certainly not a problem for me to ignore the encoding funk just figured it was one of those things that you might wanna be aware of if you weren't already. 16:15:11 -!- alama [~jessealam@stgt-5f702687.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:17:25 -!- pnathan [~Adium@75.87.250.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:19:42 -!- kpal [~kpal@janus-nat-128-240-225-120.ncl.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:35 pnathan [~Adium@75.87.250.229] has joined #lisp 16:21:14 -!- hitecnologys [~No_Name@178.74.81.118] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:22:54 -!- BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-057-247.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:23:04 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has joined #lisp 16:23:11 _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 16:23:32 Quaydon [~aaaaaaa@cpe-024-074-028-225.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:25:27 zfx- [~zfx@195.99.195.92] has joined #lisp 16:26:17 Myk267 [~myk@adsl-71-149-250-130.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:28:54 k0001 [~k0001@200.5.223.219] has joined #lisp 16:29:55 -!- zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:30:34 -!- zfx- [~zfx@195.99.195.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:32:29 -!- pnathan [~Adium@75.87.250.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:34:08 mon_key: and thank you for that, i wasn't aware before 16:34:23 hitecnologys [~No_Name@178.74.81.118] has joined #lisp 16:37:30 -!- cheezus1 [~Adium@75-119-242-38.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:38:47 saage [~saage@unaffiliated/saage] has joined #lisp 16:39:02 cheezus1 [~Adium@75-119-242-38.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 16:41:03 -!- hitecnologys [~No_Name@178.74.81.118] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:42:00 tensorpudding [~michael@99.148.204.90] has joined #lisp 16:42:22 /names #jazzscheme 16:44:31 kushal [~kdas@114.143.161.37] has joined #lisp 16:44:31 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.161.37] has quit [Changing host] 16:44:31 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 16:45:03 hitecnologys [~No_Name@178.74.81.118] has joined #lisp 16:46:15 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:46:20 it kind of sucks there is no 2-.. Maybe alexandria should have it 16:47:08 And no 2* and no ^2 either. 16:47:11 well same amount of them as there are first/second/third 16:47:28 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@192.81.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:47:28 -!- treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:47:29 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:47:51 LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@d54C06DE6.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 16:47:52 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 16:48:07 maxm: but actually, in expressions you should write (+ x 1), not (1+ x) Compiler generate the same code for those expressions. 16:48:28 coz I hate that my code looks ugly, where I'm accessing 1st and 2nd element of something, and index calculation visually looks different, ie (1- len) vs (- len 2) 16:48:30 maxm: #'1+ should only used when passed to functions: (mapcar #'1+ list-of-nums) 16:48:39 maxm: my point. 16:48:46 Do not write (1- len). 16:49:06 1- and 1+ should only be used in (function 1+) (function 1-), never in expressions. 16:49:40 don't know if I agree with that.. If you eliminate all shortcuts, you got scheme 16:50:22 Well, I use (1+ x), but if I have several additions, then I use (+ x 0) (+ x 1) (+ x 2) 16:50:37 _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 16:51:07 -!- hitecnologys [~No_Name@178.74.81.118] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:52:08 -!- gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:54:53 -!- ticking [~janpaulbu@tmo-097-82.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:54:59 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:55:34 jesusito [~user@195.pool85-49-115.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 16:55:52 _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 16:58:47 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@192.81.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 16:59:40 I like what pjb says, 1- is confusing as hell 17:00:06 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@38.117.156.114] has quit [Quit: gigamonkey] 17:00:56 fantazo [~fantazo@91.119.48.229] 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it's in the same scope of the outer ()'s 17:05:07 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.86.21] has joined #lisp 17:05:08 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.86.21] has quit [Changing host] 17:05:08 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 17:05:14 the same level 17:05:22 maxm: addition is commutative 17:05:38 maxm: you can use vertical spacing, ie. multiple spaces before the 2. 17:06:01 that's what I sometimes do, to get a tabular layout - with >2 extra spaces before such things 17:06:11 -!- jesusito [~user@195.pool85-49-115.dynamic.orange.es] has left #lisp 17:06:23 (+ 2 (foo (bar (baz)))) 17:07:00 flip214: yea I have add special case to my paredit on steroids thing, it automatically normalizes () ) or () Just keeping typing ) does that. 17:07:30 fe[nl]ix: doesn't work for non-commutative things - function calls with positional parameters, /, etc. 17:09:07 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:09:14 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Also, ideally this value would be some sort of sql-expression [getglobalkey] if it is eventually being written out as sql, though as I said, I have not dealt with that slot specifically in the past 18:26:21 though it does seem like that could be worth running through a (dequote) if thats really all thats preventing this from working either way 18:27:13 treyka [~treyka@85.234.199.185] has joined #lisp 18:31:35 -!- wahjava [chinoa@fsf/member/wahjava] has quit [Quit: Whenever we are together, its always estatically palpitating!] 18:35:21 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:36:28 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@192.81.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 18:38:51 -!- cheezus1 [~Adium@75-119-242-38.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:40:39 Guthur [~user@host86-150-159-169.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 18:41:08 -!- JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-209-64.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- 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[~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:49:49 it is just some example code from the land of lisp book that uses it - if it does not work, no worries 19:51:56 I think you might find a few examples like that in LoL 19:52:16 He used clisp through afaik 19:52:52 [6502] [5e24f17b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.36.241.123] has joined #lisp 19:54:22 I guess I am just gonna leave out the clisp specific parts - worked fine so far :) 19:54:37 ISF [~ivan@201.82.158.233] has joined #lisp 19:56:46 yeah, might be fine, I've never worked through the book myself 20:02:18 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 20:03:13 -!- saage [~saage@unaffiliated/saage] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:04:51 s0ber_ [~s0ber@114-36-244-186.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:05:09 -!- k0001 [~k0001@200.5.223.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:06:54 k0001 [~k0001@200.5.223.163] has joined #lisp 20:07:18 -!- s0ber 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timeout: 245 seconds] 20:24:25 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.158.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:24:43 steffi_s: there's some page that tells how to get the LoL examples working in SBCL, too. perhaps that helps? 20:25:13 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:25:15 flip214: do you know the url? this would be great! 20:25:44 -!- k0001 [~k0001@200.5.223.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:26:21 http://landoflisp.com/source.html references a blog for sbcl, and there's http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1851948 20:26:31 are, the powers of lmgtfy .... 20:29:19 hmm hmm, the blog is dead it seems, but the hackernews post answers are helpful! Thanks a lot! 20:31:26 -!- wahjava [macula@fsf/member/wahjava] has quit [Quit: Whenever we are together, its always estatically palpitating!] 20:31:40 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0143.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:34:19 -!- mmalorni [~mmalorni@modemcable162.45-59-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:38:50 -!- Myk267 [~myk@adsl-71-149-250-130.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Myk267] 20:40:10 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA22615.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:40:59 dfox [~dfox@89.177.105.49] has joined #lisp 20:41:21 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:43:26 -!- LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@d54C06DE6.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Going to sleep] 20:46:29 -!- prip [~foo@95.234.123.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:48:41 ugly uuuuuuglehhhh! 20:48:56 nohhooooope 20:48:58 neva! 20:49:11 (cons (cons (car (cons (cons (car (make-rat 'n1 'd1)) (cdr (make-rat 'n2 'd2))) (cons (cdr (make-rat 'n1 'd1)) (car (make-rat 'n2 'd2))))) (cdr (cons (cons (car (make-rat 'n1 'd1)) (cdr (make-rat 'n2 'd2))) (cons (cdr (make-rat 'n1 'd1)) (car (make-rat 'n2 'd2)))))) (cons (cdr (make-rat 'n1 'd1)) (cdr (make-rat 'n2 'd2)))) 20:49:20 lol 20:49:26 *Spion* runs away 20:49:30 -!- moah [~moah@dslb-188-109-174-053.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #lisp 20:50:01 zfx [~zfx@host109-152-189-14.range109-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 20:50:54 I have a primary setf method which converts its argument prior to setting the slot-value e.g. (setf (foo object) "YES") will set the slot-value to :YES. In general should the method's return value be "YES", :YES, or as (values "YES" YES)? 20:51:29 er (values "YES" :YES) 20:53:13 mon_key: I would signal an error. 20:54:18 pkhuong: the conversion is _intensional_ :) 20:54:30 two- [~textual@c-67-171-131-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:55:06 -!- zwick [~zwick@12.200.95.45] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:58:30 then there's no right answer. Any choice would be confusing to someone expecting a setf-function. Document and hope for the best. 20:58:35 prip [~foo@host250-126-dynamic.42-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 20:59:08 pkhuong: OK. thanks! 20:59:16 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-211-229.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:15 <[6502]> Really LoL describes Python as buggy and unreliable? 21:03:07 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has left #lisp 21:05:38 -!- ksergio [~sgarcia@mail.ageophysics.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:06:08 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@215-91-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:49 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.90.45] has joined #lisp 21:08:08 pkhuong: So where foo is a slot accessor a (defmethod (setf foo) :after (val (obj bar))) which somehow mutated the val w/r/t to the corresponding slot-value would be considered confusing/bad-form? 21:10:23 -!- saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0143.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:10:54 hammermoon 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