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(defpackage :foo (:use :cl) (shadow #:time) (export #:time)) (defun foo:time ()) 01:27:08 S11001001 [~sirian@c-98-216-249-29.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:27:15 -!- S11001001 [~sirian@c-98-216-249-29.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 01:27:16 S11001001 [~sirian@fsf/member/S11001001] has joined #lisp 01:27:28 -!- kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has quit [Quit: return 0;] 01:27:30 I am getting "The function TIME is predefined in Clozure CL." 01:29:04 springz [~springz@116.231.109.177] has joined #lisp 01:30:17 definitely. 01:30:26 forgot : before shadow and export 01:30:36 it should work? 01:30:47 yes, with :. 01:30:52 options are keywords. 01:31:03 I thought I was odoing exactly that in my actual code. moment 01:32:38 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has joined #lisp 01:33:42 "Since implementations might allow extended options an error of type program-error should be signaled if an option is present that is not actually supported in the host implementation." 01:34:01 if you didn't get an error for (defpackage :foo (:use :cl) (shadow #:time) (export #:time)), then it's a bug in the implementation. 01:34:13 In ccl, it signals an error. 01:34:56 ah 01:35:23 -!- sezo [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has quit [Quit: #yhiselamu | www.yhiselamu.ee] 01:35:32 sezo [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has joined #lisp 01:35:41 pjb i just typed that wrongly in the channel 01:36:49 (defpackage :foo (:use :cl) (:shadow #:time) (:export #:time)) (defun foo:time ()) (foo:time) --> nil ; works perfectly. 01:37:01 yes it works. 01:37:18 but try omitting (shadow #:time) 01:37:34 That would be incorrect. 01:37:40 then add it, and recompile the defpackage form in slime, or reload the system 01:38:08 Yes, using defpackage on an existing package is implementation dependant. 01:38:24 Most implementation do the right thing, but there may be corner cases. 01:38:42 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-118-199.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:39:02 CCL doesn't seem to. I'm getting error I pasted 01:40:03 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 01:40:14 if I delete-package first it works 01:40:37 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:40:41 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:41:12 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 01:42:10 even if it's not a bug according to standard, i doubt they deliberately did this on purpose. should i report it? 01:42:20 s/deliberately// 01:42:44 flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@177.142.160.5] has joined #lisp 01:44:27 sezo: you can always report it. 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This is why some people appear to be bright. Until you hear them speak.] 04:40:17 centipedefarmer [~centipede@75-170-150-249.desm.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:40:18 -!- guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: guyal] 04:41:13 Hussaind [~hussain@115.124.115.71] has joined #lisp 04:41:17 -!- Hussaind [~hussain@115.124.115.71] has left #lisp 04:43:33 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:49:35 -!- centipedefarmer [~centipede@75-170-150-249.desm.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 04:50:26 stumbles [~stumbles@2001:44b8:41ae:1900:219:d1ff:fe10:f770] has joined #lisp 04:54:02 Hi, I thought I understood the difference between SET and SETQ, but I don't understand why these two examples give a different result: http://paste.lisp.org/+2SCJ 04:58:44 stumbles: there's an additional difference in what kinds of variables SET and SETQ can set 04:58:53 stumbles: SETQ can also modify lexical variables 04:58:56 SET can not 04:59:57 nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has joined #lisp 05:00:12 antifucks: thanks! So I guess that means my examples would give the same result if I was using DEFPARAMETER rather than LET. 05:01:09 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@99.102.73.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:04:02 yeah, that's right. 05:04:24 thanks very much 05:04:43 sure thing (: 05:09:41 -!- Archenoth [~Archenoth@96.51.223.95] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:11:00 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-177-48.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 05:12:26 -!- Framedragger [~k@unaffiliated/framedragger] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:18:58 bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 05:28:02 -!- milanj [~milanj_@109-93-17-173.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:30:20 mcurry [~user@pool-96-240-10-148.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:30:50 -!- jayne [~jayne@freenode/staff/jayne] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:30:55 jayne_ [~jayne@freenode/staff/jayne] has joined #lisp 05:32:28 -!- pnq [~nick@AC81E337.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:34:15 pnq [~nick@ACA3BFE5.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 05:34:31 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 05:34:39 -!- mcurry [~user@pool-96-240-10-148.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:38:16 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 05:42:15 guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:48:36 hitecnologys [~No_Name@46.233.206.224] has joined #lisp 05:49:57 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:50:09 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:51:13 Framedragger [~k@unaffiliated/framedragger] has joined #lisp 05:53:46 Hussaind [~hussain@115.124.115.71] has joined #lisp 05:53:49 -!- Hussaind [~hussain@115.124.115.71] has left #lisp 05:54:59 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.82.185] has joined #lisp 05:59:56 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:01:31 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-026-015.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 06:04:03 jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-5.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:05:52 -!- lemonodor [~lemonodor@cpe-76-172-30-205.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: lemonodor] 06:15:03 -!- spacefrogg^ is now known as spacefrogg 06:18:50 alama [~jessealam@host114-247-static.87-94-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 06:24:10 JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-209-64.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 06:28:27 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 06:31:49 -!- alama [~jessealam@host114-247-static.87-94-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 06:32:53 -!- DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-122-163.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:33:31 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.82.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:34:04 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-16-10.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 06:39:56 stumbles: http://paste.lisp.org/display/130051#1 06:42:20 -!- Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-51-103.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 06:47:19 DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-118-108.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 06:48:45 tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 06:53:18 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Quit: .] 06:57:19 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-5.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:57:32 shifty [~user@114-198-36-60.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 07:01:28 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 07:03:42 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:05:05 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-198-210.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: sleep? sleep] 07:05:08 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 07:06:28 benny [~benny@i577A7C31.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 07:08:09 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.133.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 07:08:11 -!- fantazo_ [~fantazo@91.119.238.65] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:10:44 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:12:09 insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-22-249.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 07:12:09 -!- insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-22-249.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Changing host] 07:12:09 insomnia1alt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has joined #lisp 07:13:13 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.133.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:14:14 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.181.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 07:15:33 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:15:34 -!- insomnia1alt is now known as insomniaSalt 07:18:45 Is it possible to create a package, that imports most of CL except for CLOS? Or is there a better way for toying around with AMOP's Closette? 07:19:49 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:20:38 ez271 [506d3e82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.109.62.130] has joined #lisp 07:20:48 -!- ez271 [506d3e82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.109.62.130] has quit [Client Quit] 07:21:44 ez271 [506d3e82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.109.62.130] has joined #lisp 07:23:27 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-026-015.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:24:30 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 07:24:36 Joreji [~thomas@ht-210.humtec.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 07:24:54 huangjs [~huangjs@190.8.100.83] has joined #lisp 07:25:06 -!- kami`` is now known as kami 07:25:34 antoszka: I recommend finding a port of tiny-clos from scheme. 07:26:18 Zhivago: But isn't that quite the opposite to what I need :)? 07:26:45 A CLOS-less Lisp (Common enough to implement Closette). 07:27:13 Well, it depends on why you're doing it. 07:27:43 kiczales recommends tiny-close over clossette for learning MOP. 07:28:29 -!- irpanech6 [~user@24.68.147.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:28:39 Just import CL, shadowing the stuff you redefine. 07:28:47 irpanech6 [~user@24.68.147.165] has joined #lisp 07:29:27 Ah, ok. Thanks for the hint. 07:31:55 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:32:27 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:35:55 -!- arrsim [~user@128.250.116.167] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:36:24 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-015-060.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 07:38:14 -!- sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:38:29 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129208046.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:40:17 sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has joined #lisp 07:42:45 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:44:06 pjb: great, thanks for that! 07:45:24 lumbumbum [~gra@p72-0-226-118-static.acedsl.com] has joined #lisp 07:52:30 -!- Myk267 [~myk@adsl-71-149-255-106.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:54:16 -!- lumbumbum 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too 09:20:05 those are all before sicp books....i know 09:20:38 thanks, i have downloaded "Concrete Abstractions An Introduction to Computer Science using Scheme" now in pdf format 09:20:43 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@115.242.197.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:20:46 looks fine 09:20:52 well the last one is good too 09:21:07 actually all three 09:21:32 but why all the books about functional programming are over 500 pages? 09:21:33 but the last one says it's a before sicp book explicitly 09:22:11 you wouldn't want one which is less..... 09:22:16 eheh 09:22:23 :) 09:22:49 c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-yogazqvowushcatz] has joined #lisp 09:22:54 thank you homie 09:22:58 np 09:23:01 i need to go now 09:23:02 ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has joined #lisp 09:23:09 -!- WhoSayIn [~WhoSayIn@vps.barbardata.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:24:25 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@193.136.27.164] has joined #lisp 09:27:26 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@115.241.31.82] has joined #lisp 09:29:20 -!- jcazevedo 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It's about programming. It just happen to use scheme for its example, but you can find them examples translated to different languages on the web (including C++! and of course CL). 10:50:17 -!- gko [~user@220.228.255.202] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:52:44 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@115.241.31.82] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:53:16 -!- hitecnologys1 [~No_Name@46.233.249.217] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:54:04 ZabaQ [~jconnors@85.207.11.34] has joined #lisp 10:55:41 hitecnologys [~No_Name@46.233.249.217] has joined #lisp 10:57:50 Croms [~Croms@dhcp-089-098-010-207.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 11:01:17 -!- Facefox [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:01:38 -!- nipra [nipra@dagmar.corp.linkedin.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:03:03 xaccrocheur [~xaccroche@41.140.46.181] has joined #lisp 11:03:16 Bonjour 11:04:58 guys, what is a sure way of testing if a CL package is working in emacs ? I'm trying clonsigna here but don't know where to start 11:05:26 -!- Blkt [5bdae005@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.218.224.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:06:26 xaccrocheur: What do you mean with a CL package working in emacs? 11:07:22 Facefox [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:07:26 -!- Facefox [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:07:47 RenJuan [~juan@cpe-72-228-189-184.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:08:26 when I naively try to "require" a package that I made sure is added to load-path, I get insulted "Cannot open load file: :clonsigna 11:08:26 " 11:08:47 Common Lisp is not Emacs Lisp 11:09:14 And when I try to use CL syntax (I required 'cl of course) I get a "Symbol's function definition is void: use-package" 11:09:55 @daimrod no kidding 11:09:57 Facefox [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:10:51 daimrod: you don't say ? I thought that because they had a different names, they were the same thing ;) 11:11:20 The cl package doesn't implement CL, it only implements some of the most common idioms of CL in Elisp. You can't use CL systems within Emacs. 11:12:16 daimrod: arg, that I did not know 11:13:03 Is there a way to connect to a mail (imap and if possible pop) server using only barebones emacs ? 11:13:04 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:13:25 -!- Framedragger [~k@unaffiliated/framedragger] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:13:36 gnus has at least one imap backend 11:13:53 though #emacs is a better place to ask. 11:14:41 xaccrocheur: btw you can call CL in emacs with slime-eval, and manipulate emacs via CL with swank:eval-in-emacs. 11:14:59 Blkt [5bdae005@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.218.224.5] has joined #lisp 11:15:32 daimrod: slime frightens me more than my mom :( 11:16:55 It's just Firebug for Common Lisp. 11:19:16 I watched this video the other day http://common-lisp.net/project/movies/movies/slime.mov and I though that it was really overkill 11:19:51 it is. 11:20:00 but your "firebug" formulation is clever and reassuring indeed :) 11:20:01 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:20:22 -!- keltvek_ is now known as keltvek 11:21:18 alama [~jessealam@host114-247-static.87-94-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 11:22:25 just imagine Firebug in Emacs, and now you can put a SWANK server in every CL apps and connect to it remotely from your Emacs. 11:23:24 -!- Facefox [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:24:18 nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has joined #lisp 11:25:41 -!- harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-ozcxnaxksimhwyhl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:25:53 Facefox [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:25:57 -!- Facefox [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:26:02 And what about http://www.lisp.se/emacs-cl/ ? Does it work ? 11:28:08 -!- alama [~jessealam@host114-247-static.87-94-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:28:16 I don't know, I don't think so. If you want an Emacs in CL look at Climacs or Hemlock. 11:28:45 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:29:26 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:29:30 Facefox [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:29:34 -!- Facefox [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:29:42 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has joined #lisp 11:30:23 Facefox [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:30:27 -!- Facefox [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:30:40 daimrod: did'nt you mean "if you want CL in emacs"? 11:31:05 prabuinet [~prabuinet@117.213.102.41] has joined #lisp 11:31:54 wow, climacs is indeed CL in emacs 11:31:59 Facefox [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:32:03 -!- Facefox [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:32:32 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:32:42 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 11:32:57 -!- b_ [~chatzilla@cpc14-acto3-2-0-cust114.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:33:05 Facefox [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:33:09 alama [~jessealam@host114-247-static.87-94-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 11:33:15 -!- Facefox [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:35:59 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.1.1] 11:38:46 Facefox [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:39:32 -!- DGASAU [~user@91.218.144.129] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:41:59 could anyone explain me why (documentation (find-class 'class) t) fails if class has metaclass closer-mop:funcallable-standard-class? (I'm using SBCL) 11:42:06 "To start experimenting with Hemlock, load the CLX and Hemlock subsystems, then type (ed). This should open an X11 window for the editor (actually two windows; the smaller window contains the minibuffer)" :) 11:42:44 class t ? 11:43:07 isn't that special ? 11:43:58 sorry, class was a kind of placeholder 11:44:15 think it as (documentation (find-class 'foo) t) 11:44:22 Hi, I'm getting "undefined function MYFUN" error when doing ql:quick load 11:44:31 but actually have MYFUN in my file 11:44:39 any idea what is the problem? 11:44:47 what's the actual function call you do? 11:45:07 prabuinet: seems like you have a special character in your function name 11:45:17 prabuinet: (when you call it) 11:45:27 my function name is bget-folder 11:45:40 i call my function in defparameter 11:45:56 prabuinet: according to what you pasted, it is MYFUN 11:46:27 H4ns: sorry i just pasted for an example 11:46:31 i paste the real code now 11:46:52 minion: tell prabuinet about lisppaste 11:46:52 prabuinet: please see lisppaste: lisppaste is an IRC bot that runs under the nickname "lisppaste" and can be used (only for the #lisp IRC channel!) at http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp - or http://paste.lisp.org/ for other destinations 11:47:50 prabuinet: Check if the file containing ?MYFUN is in your .asd 11:47:56 http://paste.lisp.org/+2SCR 11:47:56 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 11:48:44 Undefined function BGET-FOLDER called with arguments ("tal") . 11:48:45 [Condition of type CCL::UNDEFINED-FUNCTION-CALL] 11:48:59 prabuinet: you _might_ try defining the function before calling it. 11:49:54 H4ns: not working 11:51:19 prabuinet: works for me. 11:52:10 i'm using closure cl 11:52:29 would that be any reason? 11:52:31 -!- alama [~jessealam@host114-247-static.87-94-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:52:32 where is bget-folder defined? 11:53:19 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.241.184] has quit [Quit: my website: http://stardiviner.dyndns-blog.com/] 11:53:24 prabuinet: works on ccl for me, too. 11:54:00 prabuinet: http://paste.lisp.org/display/130059#1 11:54:01 Blkt: check my paste http://paste.lisp.org/+2SCR 11:54:24 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-177-48.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:54:25 prabuinet: sorry, I was looking at earlier paste 11:54:32 prabuinet: you probably did not recompile your file when you tried changing the order of the defparameter and defun 11:55:10 H4ns: is order important? 11:55:26 prabuinet: no. it is not important if you do not care if it works. 11:55:28 no, it isn't 11:55:28 (...) 11:56:00 yes, it is important. if the defparamter is loaded before the defun, the function won't exist and can't be called to initialize the parameter value. 11:56:19 by a simple experiment, you can find out whether the order matters. 11:57:24 ok 11:57:26 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 11:58:14 H4ns: but it doesent matter if you're working only with function definitions, does it? 11:58:41 Blkt: the compile won't complain if you call a function before defining it in the same compilation unit 11:59:14 got it, thanks 11:59:17 Blkt: note that if you call some function f in file a that is defined in file b, you'll have to load file b before a. 11:59:31 yes 11:59:41 it works after rearranging the functions and defparameter and recompiling 11:59:51 gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 12:00:53 thanks 12:01:22 is there any cl compiler showing the line number of errors? 12:02:16 highlighting like Racket does.. 12:02:18 who needs line numbers when you can just have your editor show where the error occured 12:02:50 stassats: During compilation? It most probably happened in the compiler. 12:03:09 stassats: is it possible to make emacs show where the error occured? 12:03:22 slime does it 12:03:31 prabuinet: M-p/M-n work for me to locate the previous and next error in a cl source file 12:04:56 H4ns: this works after loading the file? 12:05:30 apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:05:50 prabuinet: after compiling with slime (i.e. C-c C-k or ,load) 12:06:00 -!- apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 12:06:02 Blkt_ [5bdae005@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.218.224.5] has joined #lisp 12:07:31 -!- Blkt [5bdae005@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.218.224.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:09:36 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-164-31.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 12:11:38 H4ns: thanks its working 12:13:57 Is there a portable way to get a function's lambda-list? 12:15:13 naryl: it is hairy. swank has code that has been re-used by several others, so you may want to do that as well 12:21:09 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:23:24 tritchey_ [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:23:24 -!- tritchey_ [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:23:56 ksergio [~sgarcia@mail.ageophysics.com] has joined #lisp 12:23:58 tritchey_ [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:24:13 -!- ZabaQ [~jconnors@85.207.11.34] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:25:02 if swank's code is being reused by many others, sholudn't we split it off to a separate library then? 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;D) 14:26:46 *j_king* pretend python is CL at the office. 14:27:00 my delusions are strong. 14:28:10 asmer: i use cxml 14:28:27 H4ns: did you record the 'ruby vs lisp' talk? 14:29:31 gensym: i did, but it was less of a talk and more of a discussion, so i don't know how enjoyable it will be. 14:29:48 gensym: i'll put it up nevertheless 14:30:17 H4ns: great! 14:31:10 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Quit: cya] 14:33:03 -!- guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: guyal] 14:33:33 -!- Facefox [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:34:13 H4ns, I got (#) using chtml and css-selectors 14:34:26 any way to get attributes and innerHTML? 14:35:27 attributes: yes, innerHTML: no 14:36:24 lichtblau, ok, how I can do this? 14:38:09 awkwardly, as in any DOM implementation. You have worked before with DOM in another language? 14:38:18 leo2007 [~leo@123.123.249.10] has joined #lisp 14:38:54 dom:attributes, dom:get-attribute, etc. 14:39:31 flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@186.192.87.33] has joined #lisp 14:40:07 milanj [~milanj_@109-93-17-173.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 14:40:33 lichtblau, I've tried dom:attributes as in cxml manual, but without luck. Applicable method not found for RUNE-DOM::ELEMENT. 14:40:54 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 14:42:37 Facefox [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:44:20 that's rather suspicious. Can you paste a test case? To paste.lisp.org/new/lisp 14:47:56 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:48:21 -!- antonv [2e35c32a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.53.195.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:50:30 -!- DrForr [~jgoff@d149031.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:57:23 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-75-237.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 14:59:39 *sykopomp* found this on github. Looks nice! https://github.com/m2ym/optima 15:00:37 m2ym has some very interesting things 15:00:49 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@205.233.9.181] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 15:00:56 serkio [~sgarcia@mail.ageophysics.com] has joined #lisp 15:01:12 sykopomp: Oh, I figured it was a maxima reboot :D 15:01:49 jasox_ [~jasox@178.239.26.130] has joined #lisp 15:03:08 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:03:48 -!- dropster [~Kim@port284.ds1-oebr.adsl.cybercity.dk] has left #lisp 15:04:45 -!- Facefox [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:04:49 -!- Croms [~Croms@dhcp-089-098-010-207.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 15:05:01 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 15:06:10 Facefox [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:06:19 -!- Facefox [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:06:50 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Ubuntu 12.04 crashes/overheats on simple tasks on my laptop, i need to choose something else 15:54:35 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-21-100.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:54:57 b_: maybe it's your laptop's hardware? 15:55:02 what kind of laptop is that? 15:55:03 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.92.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:55:23 i use that exact setup with an old 2007 lappy that I added an ssd and non-standard RAM to and it works just fine 15:55:43 -!- tr-808_ [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:55:43 non-standard as in, off-spec. 15:55:45 no, windows 7 flies silently on all tasks 15:55:59 Use Ubuntu 12.04 with xfce or something 15:56:11 b_: don't use bloated GUIs 15:56:13 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.92.197] has joined #lisp 15:56:31 tr-808_ [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #lisp 15:56:42 my workstation though is Arch w/ stumpwm on X 15:56:50 no desktop env at all. 15:57:01 Arch64 with xmonad here 15:57:24 stumpwm is made w/ teh CL 15:57:26 sloceater [~codeless@c19B200C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #lisp 15:57:28 -!- sloceater [~codeless@c19B200C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has left #lisp 15:57:32 sloceater [~codeless@c19B200C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #lisp 15:57:37 NeedMoreDesu [~user@109.122.0.30] has joined #lisp 15:58:01 it's quite nice to have a repl right at my fingertips no matter where I am. ;) 15:59:17 -!- tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:00:09 tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #lisp 16:01:07 i just connected usb keyboad, the thing is burning my hands, mm so arch sounds good 16:01:58 -!- tr-808_ [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:02:05 will look into these, thanks j_king and p_l 16:03:05 tr-808_ [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #lisp 16:03:33 guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:04:13 btw: no problem with my laptop with lisp,its other stuff: torrent clients, browser etc,everything just overheats, maybe linux doesnt set cpu power mode down once its up, dont know 16:05:00 -!- tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:06:12 tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #lisp 16:06:52 you might want to disable js and flash to make the browser more lightweight cpu-wise, but yeah I'd look at power management stats and options 16:07:54 i try use tor browser wit everything disabled anyway, but my point being why should i have to, when windows 7 has no problems at all 16:08:13 -!- tr-808_ [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:09:12 srolls [~user@c-76-126-212-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:09:27 tr-808_ [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #lisp 16:09:41 now the pain will be setting up emacs/lisp/iolibs!/my projects again on new installation 16:09:55 antgreen [~user@bas3-toronto06-1177890597.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 16:10:22 why reinstall? 16:10:31 b_: you have to because laptop makers design for windows and not for linux 16:10:48 most laptop makers. 16:10:50 dlowe: or because recent GNOME is heavy as fuck 16:11:08 p_l: YES 16:11:22 p_l: only if your GPU sucks 16:11:27 -!- tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:11:37 laptop makers don't have much to do there that actually impacts linux, there were serious issues however with AMD chips due to BIOS makers being incapable of writing code for something that barely managed to pass as IBM PC compatible 16:11:46 and it acts windows like 'do you wanna send error report?' or ubuntu software center, when that thing and then crashes 16:12:21 p_l: low power modes are infamously unstable on laptops 16:12:26 tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #lisp 16:12:37 my gpu sucks, true 16:12:40 dlowe: ok, sometimes you have issues because you bought something with nVidia Optimus or AMD's equivalent, and you don't have a way to shut it down properly, so even when you use the sucky internal GPU, GeForce burns power 16:13:14 yeah, if you don't have a nice gpu, you can forget about gnome 3. There's still plenty of alternatives 16:13:18 Cinnamon 16:13:29 unstable parts is usually suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk (both often fail on GPU drivers, btw) 16:13:38 xcfe, lxde, etc 16:13:54 Cinnamon kept crashing! wow i remember i was so happy with older ubuntus long ago on even an older laptop 16:13:57 or even a simple wm without a desktop environment 16:14:23 yep, suspending fails mostly on mine 16:14:25 OT alert 16:14:39 oops. Sorry, I thought this was a different channel 16:15:01 we're *cough* trying to optimize his lisp environment 16:15:03 heh 16:15:08 lol 16:15:12 -!- tr-808_ [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:15:15 :D 16:15:56 b_: just actually configure your laptop instead of relying on Ubuntu and use something sensible (FVWM, XFCE?, XMonad, Stump etc.). 16:16:15 tr-808_ [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #lisp 16:16:33 b_: setting up is simple: copy /etc/apt, ~/.emacs, ~/quicklisp from the old machine 16:17:02 p_l, yes will try these ones before giving up. thanks! 16:17:23 -!- tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:17:41 fe[nl]ix: umm even for moving to arch? maybe apt works there also.., so it will read /etc/apt and install everything? 16:17:50 aah 16:18:20 arch 16:18:23 tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #lisp 16:18:49 well arch seems to be popular (based on 2 to 0) choice for lisp users here 16:19:08 b_: well, /etc/apt is just for Debian derivatives 16:19:12 you also could use apt and uninstall most things, install xfce-desktop 16:19:19 without reinstalling 16:20:14 b_: your sample is much too small 16:21:38 most active people here use Ubuntu or Debian 16:21:55 -!- tr-808_ [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:22:02 -!- Facefox [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:22:21 Debian here. 16:22:27 flanfl [~flanfl@cpc2-sgyl22-0-0-cust619.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 16:22:51 tr-808_ [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #lisp 16:23:13 -!- tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:24:07 *maxm* prefer software that works, so I'm on opensuse :-) When I decided to expiriment and try ubuntu a few years back, it was kernel panicking right off the boot screen (this is quad opteron numa box) 16:24:24 maybe now its better, but redhat/suse were only linuxes that even booted on the machine 16:24:27 tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #lisp 16:24:54 i like anecdotes too 16:25:11 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 16:25:36 ah sorry, thought you were detoxing stassats 16:25:44 *maxm* goes back to his usual actuvities 16:25:54 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 16:26:00 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@99-28-163-106.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:26:40 #lispcafe, apparently :) 16:26:45 Blkt [~bar@164.132.80.77] has joined #lisp 16:27:23 -!- Joreji [~thomas@ht-210.humtec.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:27:38 -!- alama [~jessealam@host114-247-static.87-94-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:28:37 -!- tr-808_ [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:29:33 tr-808_ [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #lisp 16:29:38 -!- tr-808 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Does "nil" have some meaning (is it the abbrev. of something) ? 18:08:03 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl6-180-16.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 18:08:07 phao: It's a word. 18:08:11 phao: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nil 18:08:21 zilch, zip 18:08:28 ye olle engrish for null 18:08:28 ah... 18:08:31 lol 18:08:51 I would prefer it if we just used: "Ye Olde Nout" 18:09:16 (sb-ext:exeunt) 18:09:43 alternatively, there's a Lisp dialect, NIL, New Implementation of Lisp 18:10:53 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:11:12 -!- saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA00D5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:11:33 kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-34-145.w92-148.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 18:13:19 sabalaba [~Adium@2602:306:cfc8:8c30:c9ea:1863:40dc:d2a0] has joined #lisp 18:14:53 -!- nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-45-144.w92-148.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:16:47 -!- phao [phao@177.146.130.140] has left #lisp 18:19:14 jamesf 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[~prabuinet@117.197.196.248] has quit [Quit: prabuinet] 19:24:48 does hunchentoot have something that lets me host a folder as a fallback based on root? i'd prefer to have it host index.html from the public folder by default (for instance) 19:25:03 -!- magnificrab [~duranain@202.168.106.176.dynamic.rev.eftel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:25:04 jfleming: no :P 19:25:14 Can we get specbot on #clnoobs? 19:25:37 naryl: it seemed like a reasonable guess, anyway. 19:25:54 so far i can do this for a subfolder, but not for root, apparently 19:25:58 naryl: and what about minion? 19:26:41 #clnoobs needs clhs more often but having both won't hurt. 19:27:06 magnificrab [~duranain@202.168.106.176.dynamic.rev.eftel.com] has joined #lisp 19:27:11 madnificent: Would it work to set the last item in tbnl:*dispatch-table* as a #'create-folder-dispatcher-and-handler, and set more specific handlers before it in the table? 19:27:25 Or is that what you already tried? 19:27:45 jfleming: it would in theory, however if i try to set that on "/" as a base path, then it doesn't collect any files... 19:27:58 jfleming: if i set it under /html/ then it does what i'd want it to do, yes 19:28:01 flanfl [~flanfl@cpc2-sgyl22-0-0-cust619.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 19:28:11 Sounds like an edge-case bug. 19:28:23 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29:45 -!- puchacz_ [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:30:22 -!- specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:22 -!- minion [~minion@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:31:10 i think it's doing something that i should be able to configure. it seems to be hosting what hunchentoot wants to hast by default... and i'd be surprised if it wouldn't be configurable... 19:32:26 specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has joined 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There's also #'asdf:getenv, for the quick-and-dirty approach. I'm not aware of a system dedicated specifically to environment variables. 22:06:33 mon_key [~user@unaffiliated/monkey/x-267253] has joined #lisp 22:07:59 pinterface: thanks, asdf:getenv is good for me 22:08:02 -!- lemonodor [~lemonodor@mobile-198-228-210-043.mycingular.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:09:59 sloceater [~codeless@c19B200C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #lisp 22:11:58 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:14:55 tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:15:18 -!- sloceater [~codeless@c19B200C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:16:09 dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 22:18:10 kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-117-216.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 22:19:11 -!- albertlee [~albertlee@59.108.40.194] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:22:49 -!- flanfl [~flanfl@cpc2-sgyl22-0-0-cust619.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 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