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For example, (+ 2) would be the partial application of + and 2? 00:07:42 -!- lebro [~xmike@ool-18bab6ce.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:08:12 SrPx: you can, but you should take care of your syntax 00:08:21 how and why? 00:08:41 -!- treyka [~treyka@85.234.199.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:08:56 You could write something that would evaluate ((lambda (x y z) (+ x y z)) 3 4) --> (lambda (z) (+ 7 z)) 00:09:13 But why should (+ 2) be a partial evaluation? The CL rules makes it a complete evaluation. 00:09:21 Even (+) --> 0. 00:09:33 treyka [~treyka@85.234.199.185] has joined #lisp 00:09:58 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-hknpsbuhnzkqduwq] has joined #lisp 00:10:07 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:10:11 -!- echo-are` is now known as echo-area 00:11:20 hmm 00:11:49 -!- wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:52 If you want to keep CL syntax, you could write a lambda macro such as (lambda (z) (+ (f 3) 4 z)) that would call (f 3) and sum the result to 4 giving s and compile to (lambda (z) (+ s z)). 00:13:22 LiamH [~healy@pool-74-96-13-228.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:13:25 That is: the lambda parameter would be the un-evaluated variables, and everything else would be evaluated as early as possible. 00:14:07 -!- pnq [~nick@AC817869.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:14:14 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 00:14:41 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:20:01 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 00:20:39 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91.119.112.29] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:22:23 hmm 00:24:33 pjb: does this make sense? (map ((* (/ (width box) 2)) (+ (center box))) (cartesian [-1 1][-1 1][-1 1])) 00:24:53 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@125-239-196-121.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:25:06 I don't know much lisp yet, just reading stuff and imagining how it would work. it was supposed to be a function that returns the vertices of a box. 00:25:14 is this how lisp looks? 00:25:52 (the cartesian stuff would return the coordinates, [-1,-1,-1 00:26:23 [-1,-1,-1], [-1,-1,1] and so on. then it would multiply each vertex by half width of the box, and add the center position of the box. 00:27:00 but this would only work if (+ (center box)) meant the partial application of binary sum 00:27:04 and same for * 00:27:13 -!- Framedragger [~k@unaffiliated/framedragger] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:30:42 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has joined #lisp 00:31:30 -!- lebro1 [~xmike@ool-18bab6ce.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:32:21 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-74-96-13-228.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:32:56 -!- antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:34:12 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:35:14 -!- jasox is now known as felah 00:40:21 -!- harish [~harish@cm108.zeta234.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:42:58 SrPx: it doesn't make obvious sense, but as I said, you can write a function to interpret it as you want. 00:43:28 SrPx: It's the CL:EVAL function that gives meaning to any CL expression. 00:43:51 (+ 3 4 5) means something in CL because (eval '(+ 3 4 5)) => 12 00:44:19 SrPx: so you only have to write a partial-eval function and see if (partial-eval '(map ((* (/ (width box) 2)) (+ (center box))) (cartesian [-1 1][-1 1][-1 1]))) makes any sense. 00:44:58 sorry, I was asking if I could make it make sense. 00:45:02 so, yes? 00:45:10 Yes. Definitely. 00:45:25 writting a partial-eval funtion is the same as a macro? 00:45:32 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 00:45:39 You'd have to write a reader macro for #\[ and to implement the partial-eval function. 00:45:56 macro writing, and writing functions such as partial-eval can be similar indeed. 00:46:07 But you could also implement partial-eval as a compiler. 00:46:07 kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-134-219.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 00:46:59 hmm 00:47:16 -!- kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-134-219.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 00:47:25 saage [~saage@200.195.179.34] has joined #lisp 00:47:26 -!- saage [~saage@200.195.179.34] has quit [Changing host] 00:47:26 saage [~saage@unaffiliated/saage] has joined #lisp 00:47:32 Re-read chapter 4 of sicp, or any text on partial evaluation. 00:47:42 mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has joined #lisp 00:47:52 LiamH [~healy@vpn219118.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 00:49:57 as a response to the original addition example, you'd have to have some sort of finalizer to actually manifest the current result 00:50:24 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:50:27 because anything you add together would be treated as just part of the whole sum 00:50:54 returning whatever it needs to continue the addition, not returning a number 00:51:58 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@78-1-145-241.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:52:08 assuming the "any number of parameters" semantics of CL:+ 00:52:22 -!- felah [~jasox@178.239.26.130] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:54:12 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-49-206.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 00:59:32 guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:02:03 SrPx: when designing a syntax, it's better in general to make thing explicit. 01:02:14 -!- NimeshNeema [u2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hpeqaktzhbvfrhzi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:14 -!- SeanTAllen [u4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-audbjvkkummombkk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:02:15 -!- lsenta [u6454@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qrnspiemieynlbwb] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:02:16 -!- rvirding [u5943@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qfrmadpcsvbutjeu] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 01:02:25 -!- antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:02:55 pjb explicit? 01:03:01 felah_ [~felah@effic.me] has joined #lisp 01:03:01 hmm 01:03:56 x(+ 2 x) is better than (+ 2 y) which is better than (+ 2), because this allows you to write x(+ 2 x y) where we can clearly see that y is a free variable, while in (+ 2 x y) we don't know any difference between x and y, and in (+ 2 y) we don't see why there should be an x, and if there should be one, where? (doesn't matter for +, but would matter for most other operations). 01:03:56 -!- sezo [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has quit [Quit: #yhiselamu | www.yhiselamu.ee (EOF)] 01:05:33 hmm maybe... 01:05:42 what is sicp? 01:05:50 Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-4.html http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/ 01:06:08 -!- ozialien [~ernest@ip68-0-179-160.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:06:10 and now that you said, can x(+ 2 x) be a valid syntax? (either because of the symbol and the lack of spaces and parenthesys?) 01:06:10 -!- felah_ is now known as felah 01:06:16 SrPx: it can. 01:06:34 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 01:07:00 Of course, (lambda (x) (+ 2 x)) is as good, but you can write a #\ reader macro to read x(+ 2 x) as the same (or as a different data structure, as you want/need). 01:08:45 SrPx: see for example http://paste.lisp.org/display/72575 01:10:20 hmm 01:10:21 or rather: http://paste.lisp.org/display/71958 01:10:58 harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-duslvxfbufbjdama] has joined #lisp 01:16:08 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:16:29 that book is very interesting, is it a common reading for scheme programmers? 01:16:41 For all programmer, it should be. 01:16:57 It's indeed the book for the first course of MIT CS students. 01:17:04 http://web.mit.edu/alexmv/6.S184/ 01:20:47 syamajala [~syamajala@dyn-bway-130-59.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 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has joined #lisp 07:30:01 if common lisp has a long AI history, why not design game AI and monster AI in CL? 07:30:29 I suspect that it has to do with historical design decisions of lisp implementations. 07:30:51 -!- Guest62668 [~ivan@201.82.158.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:30:57 Which tend to be bloated monsters that pre-invented dynamic linkage. 07:31:08 Zhivago: what do you mean? are there specific reasons common lisp is NOT suitable for game programming? 07:31:17 No more so than for javascript. 07:31:22 so common lisp programs tend to be bloated? that wasnt my impression. o.o 07:31:31 I said _implementations_, not programs. 07:31:34 okay. 07:31:36 codora: when computer gaming started, performance of mainstream platforms was too low for lisp. that is why traditionally, c and c++ have been used most for implementing games. 07:31:48 You might do best with ECLS. 07:32:01 That compiles to C and uses the system's dynamic and/or static linkage systems. 07:32:05 H4ns: so there's no reason now to not use CL for game programming? 07:32:21 what if i found a way to hardware accelerate CL? would that help? 07:32:22 Or you might find that the size of sbcl/cmucl isn't an issue anymore. 07:32:33 codora: no reason other than it is not very popular, so you'll not find a lot of help or other coders doing the same thing. 07:32:37 Magic hardware doesn't last very long. 07:32:41 true. 07:32:54 I think AI is not so important to a commercial game 07:32:56 hmm. 07:32:59 I suggest approaching it from another angle -- what do you require for your game? 07:33:09 i require speed and flexibility. 07:33:12 codora: but there _are_ people writing games in lisp, ask dto when he is here. 07:33:24 i personally prefer lisp 07:33:27 Well, flexiblity is largely meaningless. 07:33:48 "come to #lisp if you want to be talked out of using lisp" 07:33:54 If you like lisp, then use lisp. 07:34:02 H4ns: i know, right? 07:34:30 A lot MMO games use some script, ex Lua,python. I think lisp/scheme are good for it too. 07:34:35 Probably the most fundamental issues will be implementation dependent; such as a choice of gc. 07:34:47 hmm. does anyone know if there's an asynchronous concurrency network i/o library for lisp yet? 07:34:58 If you could technically write your game in javascript, then CL should be fine. 07:35:01 like node.js ? 07:35:10 or eventmachine (ruby) 07:35:28 node.lisp would be cool 07:35:47 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 07:35:50 except not a wrapper for node.js 07:35:51 It would require throwing out most existing libraries. 07:36:06 Which is actually the best thing about node.js. 07:36:17 ye 07:36:22 i dont like javascript. 07:36:24 They've chosen a powerful set of limitations. 07:36:28 Why not? 07:36:39 Not that it's actually relevant. 07:36:44 it's slow, and the syntax is ugly. just my personal preference. 07:36:47 I recently wrote some node.js. and it's very cool for such thing 07:36:55 Well, the first point is bullshit. 07:37:13 and your arguments warrant an /ignore 07:37:17 node.js is quite fast. 07:37:18 There are js implementations that compete well with lisp implementations. 07:37:50 v8 certainly does 07:37:52 node.js + CL backend ? 07:38:08 the worst of both worlds! 07:38:08 Which is why "if you could technically do it with js, then cl will probably be fine" works -- they have similar run-time profiles. 07:38:11 right tool do right thing 07:38:31 Zhivago: i came here to get advice for my ideas for a common lisp game framework and an async concurrency library (among other things) not getting trolled in favor of fucking javascript of all things. 07:38:55 codora: I suspect that you have a severe reading comprehension deficit that is causing you to be confused. 07:39:16 Zhivago: i have read several books on common lips. RTFM is not MY problem, sir. 07:39:23 *lisp 07:39:29 A lot of lisp libraries would be rewrite. 07:39:33 KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:39:34 That was a good example of your reading comprehension deficit. 07:39:35 so you can fuck off. 07:39:41 -!- DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-122-163.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:39:46 You read some imaginary text and replied to it rather than what I actually wrote. 07:39:52 codora: you came for advice and now you swear 07:40:08 ...... let's cool down. 07:40:09 H4ns: i'm not pleased with this channel. since i am no longer welcome, i'll go. 07:40:14 codora: bye 07:40:18 have fun with your stupid troll. 07:40:21 -!- codora [~unf@pool-71-164-173-216.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 07:40:39 sigh 07:41:58 -!- treyka [~treyka@85.234.199.185] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 07:42:43 -!- spacefrogg^ is now known as spacefrogg 07:42:44 we should listen and think about different ideas. why he so angry. 07:42:57 He has a reading problem. 07:43:08 kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has joined #lisp 07:43:33 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg_ 07:43:39 -!- spacefrogg_ is now known as spacefrogg 07:43:58 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:44:42 codora [~unf@pool-71-164-173-216.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 07:44:49 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:45:20 http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=sbcl&lang2=v8 07:46:56 -!- DataLinkDroid [~David@110.145.181.110] has quit [Quit: Bye] 07:47:39 And? 07:47:56 lisp is better! woho. and? 07:48:13 *codora* adds a few people to his /ignore and lurks 07:48:47 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-7-19.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:49:27 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91.119.112.29] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:49:57 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:50:09 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 07:53:15 impomatic [~digital_w@87.115.178.251] has joined #lisp 07:54:14 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 07:57:13 DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-122-163.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 07:57:22 NeedMoreDesu [~user@109.122.22.147] has joined #lisp 07:59:24 treyka [~treyka@85.234.199.185] has joined #lisp 07:59:51 -!- rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:00:29 <|3b|> codora: you might have better luck in #lispgames, if anyone is awake there 08:00:32 cpu speed is not the point, IO waiting is. 08:01:41 kilon [~kilon@178.59.17.196] has joined #lisp 08:01:57 -!- impomatic is now known as john_metcalf 08:02:18 rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has joined #lisp 08:02:27 I am just starting with postmodern and have only read the quickstart, I find use like: (query "select * from table limit 2" :alists) simplest for reading, 08:02:55 but i see there are other options of defining classes etc, is it worth spending time getting to know those things? 08:03:03 b_: i like s-sql 08:03:35 *|3b|* uses s-sql but not the class stuff 08:03:44 yes, i should be using that :) any other tips for a smooth beginning ? 08:03:49 I have function-one and function-two, running function-two inside function-one. I have arg in function-two which I use to create a closure. Can I share arg's visibility for function-one? 08:04:27 <|3b|> if the variable binding is visible to both functions, it will be shared 08:05:08 *|3b|* isn't sure exactly what you mean though, so can't suggest how to get there from what you have 08:05:22 b_: sometimes, you pomo:sql-compile and the :raw s-sql clause are very useful, i.e. for composing queries 08:06:04 I need to analyse pg_stats* table (reads) and see what the db is upto thats all 08:06:30 b_: i rarely use alists. plists are much more convenient imo 08:07:21 got it, and quickstart mentions problems with timestamps, i would be doing lot of time calcs on the results 08:07:23 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:07:46 b_: i use local-time, it is much better than simple-date 08:08:17 Thank you very much, better get to it now :) 08:08:40 b_: just depend on :cl-postgres+local-time before :postmodern and you're all set 08:09:20 hmm will do 08:09:53 |3b|: say, i have (defun f2 (name) (list (lambda() name) (lambda(arg) (setq name arg)))) I want to run it in function f1, and use f2's-name in f1. 08:10:12 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-7-19.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:11:04 NeedMoreDesu: maybe you want name to be a special variable? 08:11:53 I tried that. That falls to be global value, no? 08:12:28 *|3b|* still can't really tell what you are trying to do 08:12:43 nha [~prefect@f052066057.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 08:13:10 NeedMoreDesu: http://paste.lisp.org/display/130021 08:13:10 <|3b|> you can return functions from f2 to read and write F2's NAME 08:13:49 tcr1 [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 08:15:21 H4ns: but it can't create closures, right? 08:15:47 NeedMoreDesu: i don't understand you either. 08:16:36 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-7-19.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 08:17:19 varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 08:19:59 |3b|: Yep, but that's functions. I can't have the same variable, right? 08:20:58 <|3b|> would a symbol macro that calls the functions be close enough? 08:21:11 Need: What actual problem are you trying to solve? 08:23:01 -!- john_metcalf [~digital_w@87.115.178.251] has quit [Quit: http://RetroProgramming.com] 08:23:05 yakov [~yakov@77.72.122.210] has joined #lisp 08:25:06 -!- DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-122-163.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 08:25:39 DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-122-163.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 08:26:11 -!- DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-122-163.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Client Quit] 08:26:27 http://paste.lisp.org/display/130022 08:27:31 <|3b|> you don't need a PROGN with LOOP's DO clause 08:28:19 I took it from SA, and there was the same comment. 08:29:44 So, what's the actual problem? 08:30:41 I'm trying to make inheritance. And it surely don't work, cuz in board-post :info I use name. 08:31:08 -!- pnq [~nick@AC82E845.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:31:41 *|3b|* would suggest reading AMOP for ideas on implementing object systems 08:32:33 -!- hitecnologys [~No_Name@46.233.206.224] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:32:34 <|3b|> with the way that is designed, it looks like the correct usage would be to call the GETNAME accessor rather than trying to use it directly 08:33:11 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@188.250.121.193] has joined #lisp 08:33:27 <|3b|> and possibly use hash tables instead of plists, if you always want unique keys 08:34:15 Yep, it would work. But that way I must do something very strange if variable don't naturally have getter. 08:34:40 <|3b|> you seem to already be doing something fairly strange :p 08:36:05 It's strange to hear about strange on lispy channel. 08:36:08 -!- codora [~unf@pool-71-164-173-216.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:36:53 <|3b|> not really, lots of people do strange things with lisp :) 08:37:44 flanfl [~flanfl@cpc2-sgyl22-0-0-cust619.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 08:38:05 -!- fantasticsid [~user@178.18.16.11] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 08:40:46 A class here is a set of accessor constructors? 08:40:50 codora [~unf@pool-71-164-173-216.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 08:41:31 If so, I don't see what the original question about function names applies. 08:42:10 <|3b|> Zhivago: i think the problem is that board-post-class closes over a different NAME than the accessors built by named-thing-class 08:43:11 I suggest that you close over 'self' or something instead, and then access that. 08:44:08 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:44:23 Alternately, you would probably need to invest in macrology to handle your inheritance. 08:44:43 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:46:23 >I suggest that you close over 'self' or something instead, and then access that. 08:46:38 What do you mean? Can you explain, please? 08:46:56 <|3b|> possibly one of the javascript OO patterns that doesn't actually use the JS prototype inheritance would do what you want? 08:48:08 Well, consider (defun foo-class (self name) (list :getName (lambda () (value self name))) 08:51:48 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:52:20 What is value? That way, I need to use :getName every time? 08:52:29 segv_ [~mb@i59F7B502.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 08:52:36 It's whatever looks up name in self. 08:53:33 Personally, I think that what you're doing is misguided and inefficient. 08:53:49 But it might be a valuable learning experience in what not to do. 08:56:32 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:58:53 iocor [~textual@87.194.167.19] has joined #lisp 08:58:57 -!- iocor [~textual@87.194.167.19] has quit [Changing host] 08:58:57 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 09:01:31 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@188.250.121.193] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 09:06:45 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 09:07:51 rootzlevel [~hpd@static.6.236.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lisp 09:08:08 -!- rootzlevel [~hpd@static.6.236.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Client Quit] 09:09:27 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:10:27 mofaph [~user@183.17.201.40] has joined #lisp 09:11:06 is there a way to have a class that inherits from string? 09:11:23 Blkt [5bdae005@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.218.224.5] has joined #lisp 09:11:31 I'm interested to make an object that can be used as a string (i.e. standard functions like string-upcase would work on it) but I need to be able to distinguish it from a string in certain situations.. 09:11:35 -!- EyesIsMine [~Eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:13:21 rbarraud [~rbarraud@125-239-196-121.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 09:13:35 bah, lufthansa plane broke right before take-off 09:13:54 lol, sort of 09:14:12 fe[nl]ix: that's pretty good, definitely better than to break after take-off ;) 09:14:47 H4ns: I'll try to get to Berlin somehow 09:15:04 fe[nl]ix: i wish you luck. did they not offer you another flight? 09:15:59 mishoo: i think the answer is no. strings are not clos instances, so they cannot be subclassed. 09:16:45 H4ns: not yet. they're trying to repair the cargo door. maybe it will still depart 09:18:07 DrForr [~jgoff@d149031.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 09:18:19 yeah, that's what I thought.. thanks anyway 09:18:21 (class-of "foo") 09:18:26 They are CLOS instances. 09:18:44 But they are system-classes, and may only be subclassed if the system permits it. 09:22:14 i knew that i could not describe it technically correct :/ 09:22:24 mishoo: sorry for that. 09:24:27 How do i limit the number of rows returned in s-sql :( 09:24:57 b_: (pomo:query (:limit (:select ...) 1)) 09:25:08 -!- codora [~unf@pool-71-164-173-216.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:25:40 gaidal [~gaidal@h164n1-m-sp-d4.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #lisp 09:26:43 could it be that sbcl, when quiting via EOF (C-d) on the terminal does not close child process in the same way it does when calling sb-ext:quit? 09:26:50 mathrick__ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 09:27:01 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:27:31 i have some process hanging around after my lisp has exited, if i manually close them via sb-ext:*exit-hooks* it's fine, and if i sb-ext:quit (without the exit-hooks) it's also fine; but if i C-d then they don't get closed. 09:27:44 mishoo: thanks 09:32:05 Is this correct way if I am interested in differences of time (intervals): (query (:limit (:select (:type 'order_date timestamp) :from :order) 1) :plists) 09:32:14 where order_date is timestamp with timezone 09:32:39 segv_: what does ps show ? 09:32:40 b_: there is alow :row and :alist 09:32:43 also* 09:32:48 mofaph` [~user@183.17.201.40] has joined #lisp 09:32:53 -!- nha [~prefect@f052066057.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:32:54 -!- mofaph` [~user@183.17.201.40] has left #lisp 09:33:11 john_metcalf [~digital_w@87.115.178.251] has joined #lisp 09:33:55 -!- mofaph [~user@183.17.201.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:34:02 daimrod: ok 09:34:59 -!- lars_t_h_ [~lars_t_h@002129208046.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:35:51 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@193.136.27.164] has joined #lisp 09:39:14 -!- arrsim [~user@128.250.116.167] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:40:22 -!- EarlGray^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:40:57 EarlGray [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 09:42:36 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 09:45:01 fe[nl]ix: while i'm running or afterwards? 09:45:22 kushal [kdas@nat/redhat/x-xkmtwlgecrajcptz] has joined #lisp 09:45:22 -!- kushal [kdas@nat/redhat/x-xkmtwlgecrajcptz] has quit [Changing host] 09:45:22 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 09:47:50 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 09:48:28 I need something strange... I need a generic function to call itself with one argument replaced if it's of specified type. And a way for users to declare such functions. 09:50:02 I suggest that you replace 'type' with 'class'. 09:50:08 And then see defmethod. 09:51:56 fe[nl]ix: sorry, my bad. i was just being stupid and not seeing the process which sbcl was infact leaving alive (because that's exatly what i told it to do). 09:52:41 Zhivago: Yes, it's class. It needs to call itself replacing one object-argument by another. But they're not in the same hierarchy so I can't use call-next-method and will have to hack lambda-lists anyway. 09:53:32 So, just call the generic function recursively. 09:54:09 I don't know what arguments the user will want to declare it with. I only know that the first argument is an object. 09:54:12 could anyone tell me why (documentation (find-class 'class) t) fails if class has metaclass closer-mop:funcallable-standard-class ? (I'm using SBCL) 09:54:34 The user knows, so let them tell you. 09:58:20 Zhivago: Then recursively call it with another argument and transparently passing the rest of the ordinary arguments and all &key and &optional arguments? Ok, I'm just scared of messing it up. :) 09:59:02 The user will only tell me the lambda-list. 10:00:56 -!- younder [~john@69.248.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:09:03 -!- treyka [~treyka@85.234.199.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:10:34 gigamonkey_ [~gigamonke@adsl-99-2-150-175.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 10:10:58 ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has joined #lisp 10:11:29 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-2-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:11:30 -!- gigamonkey_ is now known as gigamonkey 10:16:10 -!- harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-duslvxfbufbjdama] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:21:41 -!- springz [~springz@116.231.109.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:23:29 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:28:38 -!- segv_ [~mb@i59F7B502.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:33:47 karswell 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thought it was disk based 12:56:23 besides, "in memory + log db (nosql)" is not very descriptive. maybe you can brag a bit more about the features? 12:56:26 yeah it is disk based but its the only db written in lisp i know of 12:56:33 hitecnologys [~No_Name@46.233.206.224] has joined #lisp 12:56:38 snearch [~snearch@f053013111.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 12:56:45 bknr-datastore is written in lisp, in-memory and nosql as well 12:57:57 H4ns: thats the problem its difficult to explain, its not a document db or a object db per se ... you the developer chose what the best model is for storing your data, it could be lists, hashtable, structure etc 12:58:25 never used bknr-datastore so cant comment 12:58:51 it is an in-memory transaction system with binary logging and snapshots. 12:58:59 I remember another commercial DB is written in lisp 13:00:27 RethinkDB 13:00:34 http://blog.rethinkdb.com/rethinkdb-is-switching-over-to-lisp 13:01:04 In mem log db is useful for web operate. 13:01:17 albertlee: please click on the link that you've just posted. 13:01:43 er./..... fooll..... 13:01:47 -!- Guest62668 [~ivan@143.106.196.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:02:19 damn... 13:03:36 do you know kx.com , KDB+ ? 13:05:46 -!- rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:06:09 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.94.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:06:29 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:06:41 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.92.198] has joined #lisp 13:07:30 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:08:49 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.116.107] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:08:58 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.116.107] has joined #lisp 13:09:45 nope 13:11:58 It's a commercial Array-based in-mem database, and it's blading fast & expensive. It's written in K (APL family) 13:12:01 -!- killer_ [~killer@124.253.210.194] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 13:12:23 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-67-249-228-147.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 13:14:03 it has a time & dataset limit version for download, it's interesting. 13:14:51 kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-67-249-228-147.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:14:56 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:19:38 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA121C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 13:20:22 saage [~saage@unaffiliated/saage] has joined #lisp 13:23:43 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.241.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:23:59 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.16] has joined #lisp 13:27:27 Kron_ [~Kron@2.49.96.76] has joined #lisp 13:28:18 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.16] has quit [Client Quit] 13:28:25 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:31:58 nha [~prefect@g225144200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 13:40:07 -!- kilon [~kilon@178.59.17.196] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 13:44:04 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.16] has joined #lisp 13:45:25 -!- nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:50:36 -!- john_metcalf [~digital_w@87.115.178.251] has quit [Quit: john_metcalf] 13:52:24 leo2007 [~leo@123.114.40.176] has joined #lisp 14:01:08 -!- treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:02:57 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 14:04:14 hello all 14:04:20 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-141-189.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:05:12 stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.241.202] has joined #lisp 14:05:42 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.241.202] has quit [Client Quit] 14:06:50 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-141-189.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:10:20 -!- yakov [~yakov@77.72.122.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:12:22 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-134-222.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:12:27 fantazo [~fantazo@91.119.112.29] has joined #lisp 14:13:57 -!- gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:14:00 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-134-222.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:14:28 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@70.83.76.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 14:14:38 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-141-189.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:14:46 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 14:16:18 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-134-222.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:17:05 -!- saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA121C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:20:55 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 14:22:04 codora [~unf@unaffiliated/bandu] has joined #lisp 14:23:39 gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 14:24:26 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24:29 it would be cool if there was an event-driven asynchronous network i/o for cl. imagine how fast it would be! 14:25:51 b_ [~chatzilla@cpc14-acto3-2-0-cust114.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 14:26:31 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053013111.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 14:27:19 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 14:27:32 have a look at zeroMQ 14:28:26 H4ns: I made it :) 14:28:37 fe[nl]ix: \o/ congrats! 14:29:16 fe[nl]ix: i'm meeting with willen in the cafe at 1830, we need to bring some stuff upstairs and i'm disabled. if you don't have anything better to do, please join! 14:29:23 any Berlinese here available for an early meeting ? 14:30:05 H4ns: ok, will do 14:30:06 willeM 14:30:11 fe[nl]ix: cool, thanks! 14:30:30 broekema ? 14:30:36 fe[nl]ix: correct 14:30:44 -!- b_ [~chatzilla@cpc14-acto3-2-0-cust114.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:31:49 oooh, shiny. 14:32:04 zeromq looks neat o: 14:35:29 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@70.83.76.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:38:03 O: 14:38:43 dbushenko: i could write a thin wrapper for zmq, and use that for the p2p app i want to write! thank you! 14:39:00 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:39:20 codora: I believe, there is a zmq-CL connector 14:39:39 it's listed somewhere on the site 14:39:40 several of them. there even is an official one. 14:40:26 http://zguide.zeromq.org/lisp:hwclient oh. 14:40:42 *codora* grins. 14:40:51 :-) 14:41:15 the official cl interface is pretty consy, though. be aware of that if you need speed. 14:41:37 this is neat. this'll make writing my app infintely easier, because i dont have to write a huge event-driven concurrency library from scratch 14:41:46 okay. 14:42:25 is there some doc online comparing consy and less-consy ways of doing the same thing? 14:42:58 H4ns: did it cause you problems ? 14:43:31 fe[nl]ix: the consyness? it did, as i was benchmarking 0mq against low-level infiniband performance. 14:43:43 that was fun :) 14:46:10 treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has joined #lisp 14:46:25 -!- dropster [~Kim@port284.ds1-oebr.adsl.cybercity.dk] has left #lisp 14:47:58 b_ [~chatzilla@cpc14-acto3-2-0-cust114.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 14:49:18 -!- agumonkey [~agu@197.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:49:28 Natch| [~Natch|@178.73.212.231] has joined #lisp 14:50:00 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-16-10.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:51:01 _schulte_ [~eschulte@99.102.73.158] has joined #lisp 14:51:29 prince_j1mmys [~mischa@pool-71-249-62-88.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:51:58 -!- prince_jammys [~mischa@pool-68-237-81-142.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:52:50 -!- codora [~unf@unaffiliated/bandu] has left #lisp 14:55:01 melontrolly [~fold@99-181-48-105.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:58:16 is there any suggested middle ground for creating XML documents between hard-coded XML strings and using stp:append-node / make-element / etc...? 14:59:09 slyrus: cxml:with-element? 14:59:22 slyrus: or is that what you mean by "hard-coded" 14:59:57 no, hard-coded just means "..." 15:00:05 slyrus: cxml:with-elemen 15:00:06 t 15:00:14 :) 15:01:31 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:02:41 EyesIsMine [~Eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has joined #lisp 15:03:08 slyrus: use the sxml compatibility mode of cxml 15:03:23 Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-51-103.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 15:04:24 yeah, that sounds like what i was thinking about 15:05:40 dlowe: where's that? :) 15:05:48 it's part of cxml 15:06:12 http://common-lisp.net/project/cxml/xmls-compat.html 15:06:45 *slyrus* got confused between xmls and sxml 15:06:48 (define .....(foo? foo?).....) what does that say ? 15:07:00 homie: that's Scheme 15:07:05 yes yes 15:07:16 loke: not necessarily, that could be a define macro. 15:07:29 but i can't make sense out of it 15:07:30 what it means would depend on the semantics implemented by that macro. 15:07:30 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 15:07:31 pjb: right. But not very likely 15:07:36 (oddp oddp) ..... 15:07:40 lol 15:08:06 homie: you should expand the ..... 15:09:39 sorry i don't get you 15:10:10 Since you said yes to the question whether it was scheme, we could answer, but not without knowing what there is instead of the ..... 15:10:34 dlowe: no, the xmls stuff doesn't seem to be what i'm looking for 15:10:35 (define (f foo?) (foo? foo?)) is different from (define (foo? foo?) (+ foo? foo?)) 15:11:00 oh 15:11:03 -!- ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:11:09 slyrus: too bad. I found it very useful when combined with backquotes 15:11:23 ok, i'll read on scheme stuff then 15:11:32 dlowe: hmm... maybe it is then. you have any examples lying around? 15:12:23 -!- chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-58-169-13-80.lns2.civ.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:12:49 (cxml-xmls:map-node sink `("root" (("id" ,my-id) ("name" ,my-name)) ("description" () "foo"))) 15:13:23 The later functions are just accessors for convenience 15:14:12 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [] 15:14:27 ok, thanks 15:15:11 -!- b_ [~chatzilla@cpc14-acto3-2-0-cust114.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:15:13 -!- Dodek [am291698@duch.mimuw.edu.pl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:22:06 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 15:22:40 kami`` [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has joined #lisp 15:22:43 dlowe: not sure what I'm doing wrong wrt namespaces, but I'm getting "serializing with :INCLUDE-NAMESPACE-URI, but node was created without namespace URI" on your simple example 15:24:51 -!- kami` [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:25:19 -!- dbushenko [~dim@86.57.253.61] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:25:37 I just typed it in without trying it 15:25:44 use :include-namespace-url nil 15:28:01 right, but I need namespaces :) 15:31:15 ah, there we go. needs to be a cons, not a list. 15:33:00 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@99.102.73.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:33:50 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 15:36:37 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:39:59 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-ylutjjzkyimrxxza] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:41:04 hmm... now why did my indentation for a backquoted list switch styles when i moved the sexpr? 15:42:50 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:44:22 -!- EyesIsMine [~Eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:46:24 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA121C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 15:47:03 naiv [~quassel@AAnnecy-552-1-290-233.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 15:47:55 -!- hitecnologys [~No_Name@46.233.206.224] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:51:05 -!- treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:55:17 paul0 [~paul0@189.26.138.234.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 15:58:55 EyesIsMine [~Eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has joined #lisp 16:01:03 hitecnologys [~No_Name@46.233.206.224] has joined #lisp 16:01:25 -!- flanfl [~flanfl@cpc2-sgyl22-0-0-cust619.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:03:42 alama [~jessealam@host114-247-static.87-94-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 16:03:58 -!- hitecnologys [~No_Name@46.233.206.224] has quit [Client Quit] 16:04:02 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:04:07 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:05:42 jewel [~jewel@196.215.220.160] has joined #lisp 16:06:45 -!- Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-51-103.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:47 so I get the indentation style I want in (let ...) but not otherwise. hrm... 16:10:16 stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.241.184] has joined #lisp 16:10:19 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91.119.112.29] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:57 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:15:55 wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has joined #lisp 16:17:36 kushal [~kdas@114.143.160.133] has joined #lisp 16:17:37 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.160.133] has quit [Changing host] 16:17:37 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 16:19:50 -!- segv_ [~mb@i59F7B502.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: segv_] 16:20:26 -!- antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:22:38 fantazo [~fantazo@91.119.112.29] has joined #lisp 16:28:02 lichtblau: around? 16:29:07 nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p5089DE2C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:32:10 depends on the question! 16:34:17 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 16:37:09 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.241.184] has quit [Quit: my website: http://stardiviner.dyndns-blog.com/] 16:37:30 pnq [~nick@172.129.62.38] has joined #lisp 16:41:29 jjkola [~jjkola@xdsl-83-150-83-66.nebulazone.fi] has joined #lisp 16:43:44 Well, somebody asked a few days ago about my longest symbol name. Here it is: *rock-paper-scissors-gun-dynamite-nuke-lightning-devil-dragon-alien-water-bowl-air-moon-sponge-wolf-cockroach-tree-man-woman-monkey-snake-axe-fire-sun* 16:45:50 i'd let that pass code review 16:45:52 +1 16:46:40 i once used rock-paper-scissors-lizard-spock, but you've got me beat. 16:46:41 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 16:47:39 rock/paper/scissors I know - what are the hand signs for the rest? 16:48:01 Fade: there's a rps-101 now. http://www.umop.com/rps101.htm 16:48:11 spock is obvious. lizard is like a handpuppet talking 16:48:13 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:48:43 kushal [~kdas@114.143.160.133] has joined #lisp 16:48:44 not lizard-spock? bah 16:48:45 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.160.133] has quit [Changing host] 16:48:45 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 16:49:55 pjb: have you implemented this game? 16:50:17 Yes. 16:50:19 the normal representation must be huge. 16:50:29 http://informatimago.com/develop/lisp/com/informatimago/small-cl-pgms/rpsls/index.html 16:50:36 Well, not the 101 yet. 16:50:41 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:50:50 I just need to process the html page. 16:51:01 -!- pnq [~nick@172.129.62.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:51:21 The web page describing all the interactions is only 365814 bytes. 16:51:53 The core representation needs only an ordered list of the objects, so it's rather small. 16:52:21 But we want to add the natural language expression for each interaction. It's funny how there are specific words for some of them. 16:52:27 lichtblau: question has to do with namespaces in stp: http://paste.lisp.org/display/130039 16:53:25 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:53:28 not sure if I'm doing with a busted xml parser on the other end or if the propfind element isn't really in the namespace I think it should be in 16:53:36 s/doing/dealing/ 16:53:36 m7w [~chatzilla@31.24.92.22] has joined #lisp 16:53:50 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 16:54:54 I'm voting for busted parser at the other end. 16:54:58 Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-51-103.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 16:56:58 slyrus: btw, luke gorrie is in town starting sat! come meet up (: 16:57:02 slyrus: the DAV namespace is "DAV:" iirc 16:57:37 d'oh! 16:57:38 thanks kpreid 16:57:43 antifuchs: awesome! 16:57:43 all xmlns are URLs (and should be absolute URLs); WebDAV does the oddball thing of defining a scheme for its ns 16:58:00 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trying to use the stp interfaces to build even marginally complex xml documents is madness! 23:47:28 the xmls stuff makes it a lot easier 23:47:31 slyrus: I thought that was a requirement for XML, hehe 23:48:05 I sort of jest, though when you start playing around with schemas it can get a little head frying 23:48:41 not sure if any CL xml libs process schemas 23:49:15 cxml does 23:49:32 I've used the relax-ng stuff a fair amount for soiree 23:49:55 ah, but that's different than xml schemas... 23:50:00 i was using Visual Studio at the time, which actually isn't too bad for it 23:50:20 the relax-ng stuff is actually pretty nice, imo 23:50:22 for schemas that is 23:50:26 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.116.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:50:48 slyrus: I did see nice things said, but MSVS did not support it out of the box afaik 23:51:08 *slyrus* keeps his blinders on and pretends he doesn't know what MSVS is :) 23:51:10 I was using it at work so my option were some what limited 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