00:01:12 replore_ [~replore@FL1-125-198-49-191.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 00:02:40 -!- smithzv [~smithzv@99-71-111-56.lightspeed.whtnil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:03:46 will just substitute all dots by hypens, don't know what it is and how to fix it "properly" 00:06:59 flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@187.105.3.184] has joined #lisp 00:11:05 -!- replore_ [~replore@FL1-125-198-49-191.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:11:25 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-233-56-218.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:12:02 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:12:06 antonv: > is an escape character? 00:12:15 antonv: or a separator for logical pathnames? 00:12:32 antonv I'd like to know too. I wonder if this could be considered a bug. out of CLISP, SBCL, CCL, LispWorks, Allegro only CCL does this 00:12:38 I suppose on windows, \ makes for a poor escape character, so they picked > instead 00:13:21 escaping the \. to say it isn't separating file name from file type 00:13:26 use native-namestring 00:13:41 I think it's a kind of escape, because CCL assumes probably that windows does not allow mroe than one . in name 00:13:47 ccl:native-translated-namestring 00:13:48 native-namestring? 00:13:59 xcvb-driver:native-namestring is your friend. 00:14:40 no - it's the CL standard that distinguishes between a . that separates name from type from one that doesn't. 00:14:57 then each implementation deals with that distinction the way it chooses 00:14:59 fukushim_ [~fukushima@z128.124-44-151.ppp.wakwak.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 00:15:15 CCL chooses to escape those chars that could cause an issue 00:15:58 on the other lisp, you want to use xcvb-driver:parse-native-namestring 00:16:26 -!- fukushima [~fukushima@z128.124-44-151.ppp.wakwak.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:17:56 FareTower: any other reliable ways to tranfer file names between lisps? 00:18:54 not that I know of -- and even xcvb-driver:native-namestring only does something non-trivial on sbcl and ccl at this time. 00:19:04 what's the smiley for patches accepted ? 00:21:20 or you could use iolib and native namestrings all around 00:21:53 FareTower: btw, just tried to quickload xcvb - it complains about ASDF version - wants more recent than the current quicklisp has 00:22:11 iolib doesn't work on windows (( 00:22:32 there is a iolib windows branch somewhere 00:23:23 get the xcvb-0.583 tarball and the latest asdf from common-lisp.net 00:25:07 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:25:09 ok. for now I will just rist to put #P"bla-bla" into s-exprs and pass them between lisps - I this case I need the program to work on different computers therefore rely only on QL available libraries 00:25:13 dto [~dto@pool-96-233-56-218.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:25:17 *risk 00:25:25 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:26:48 Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 00:27:18 negroid [~nobody@24-119-49-248.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #lisp 00:27:18 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-16-10.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 00:28:06 DrPete [~DrPete@unaffiliated/drpete] has joined #lisp 00:28:29 -!- nha [~prefect@f052235151.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:28:31 harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-cwyskozunlnlvhlz] has joined #lisp 00:28:38 -!- guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: guyal] 00:28:55 -!- ozialien [~ernest@ip68-0-179-160.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:29:15 You can write a verifier to check that your pathnames are "portable enough" 00:30:16 smithzv [~smithzv@99-71-111-56.lightspeed.whtnil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:30:45 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:30:49 why dont they teach lisp in college 00:30:58 is it because its too complex? 00:31:00 maybe I'll do so 00:31:25 but I have error in case the pathname is bad, so I notice it anyway 00:31:33 guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:31:52 -!- ceti331_ [~walterlyn@host86-168-6-8.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ceti331_] 00:33:47 -!- flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@187.105.3.184] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:34:17 another approach may be to just use strings 00:34:20 ceti331_ [~walterlyn@host86-168-6-8.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 00:35:05 if user gives me base directory as as string, I could keept is as a string and add subdirectories by performing string operations 00:36:06 or shadow merge-pathnames so it cleans up the pathname string? 00:40:02 DataLinkDroid: don't know, it should return pathname object, not a string 00:40:08 or define your own NAMESTRING 00:40:13 kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-67-249-228-147.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:40:16 antonv: true 00:40:17 negroid: why would they? 00:40:27 some colleges teach scheme 00:40:32 hence my namestring suggestion 00:42:17 wait -- the code is yours. Don't you control which version of YOUR code gets run? Can't you similarly control the version of its dependencies? 00:43:45 DataLinkDroid: yes, maybe. Actually yes, pathname functions are ok, I just need an external format for them. Probably the FareTower's xcvb-drive:native-namestring is excactly this solution 00:44:29 FareTower: I hope others will run this code to, down't want them to bother with manual download of tarballs (I can of course commit the sources into by repository) 00:44:30 dkasak [dkasak@s0.barwen.ch] has joined #lisp 00:44:47 *my repository 00:44:59 antonv: quicklisp will be updated eventually 00:45:13 antonv: if it's urgent, ship the whole software with its dependencies 00:45:23 yes; they I will probably switch 00:45:42 not urgent, I just want working version now to move to other problems 00:46:00 will keep in mind xcvb-driver:native-namestring 00:46:01 -!- nicdev_ [user@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:4986] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:46:02 -!- dkasak [dkasak@s0.barwen.ch] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 00:46:35 dkasak [~dkasak@s0.barwen.ch] has joined #lisp 00:46:45 one of the variants is to borrow just code I need from it 00:47:25 for now I replaced dots with hypens, it is working already while we chat 00:47:39 -!- jasox [~user@178.239.26.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:48:26 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-179-46-230.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: gigamonkey] 00:48:33 -!- dkasak [~dkasak@s0.barwen.ch] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 00:49:01 nicdev_ [user@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:4986] has joined #lisp 00:50:18 dkasak [~dkasak@s0.barwen.ch] has joined #lisp 00:54:23 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 00:57:10 slyrus_ [~chatzilla@137.164.119.50] has joined #lisp 00:59:53 i have an interesting small problem, haven't figured out the most elegant way to solve it on lisp 01:00:34 -!- kanru` [~user@61-228-152-219.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:00:37 I have an object and some functions on that object; the fuctions usually taks some significant time 01:01:15 -!- sbryant [freenode@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 01:01:15 -!- sshirokov [sshirokov@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:45 i want to creat another object, kind of cache-wrapper 01:01:55 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@137.164.119.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:02:09 when I call a function on the cache-wrapper, first time it performs actual execution, next time just returns the cached value 01:02:40 antonv: i think there is memoization library out there. 01:02:47 yes, memoization 01:02:48 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:02:48 antonv: are they true functions? 01:03:22 there is also the newish lparallel library, which i haven't used, but looks good 01:03:25 DataLinkDroid: sufficiently true, that I agree that actual exectution happens only once 01:03:53 antonv: are you using defun or defmethod, is what DataLinkDroid wanted to know 01:04:05 defmethod 01:04:27 i wanted to know if the same input always produces the same output 01:04:42 such true functions can be memoised 01:04:53 -!- drwho [~drwho@137.229.79.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:05:10 antonv: also, for objects, you can do with a subclass of the original class. or, if you want to go all cool, you can use the MOP to create a metaclass which doesn't contain all the slots, but which does order itself in the same way in the call hierarchy. you could combine that with closer-mop to optionally enable caching. 01:05:34 DataLinkDroid: ah, then i misunderstood :) 01:06:13 the metaclass thing sounds cool, i might try it some day. 01:07:47 madnificent: obviously I want to go all cool 01:08:44 -!- tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:10:04 *madnificent* mustn't think about this right now, but would pick the MOP for reimplementing 01:11:01 if not for the fun of doing it or because i'd assume i'd have some wanted property wrt garbage collection, i'd really just use the memoise library. it'll do what you want. 01:13:59 -!- alvis [~user@tx-184-6-183-246.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:14:23 yes, maybe, and in my case I don't want to mess with the original (not cached) class. The caching functionality should be outside of the underlying object 01:15:42 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128101218.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:17:22 actually memoization is really enough for me (before asking the question I was thinking I need something more complex...) 01:19:51 and now cache-wrappers are needed! 01:23:01 good, thanks. instead of 4 slots I will have just 2 01:24:09 tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has joined #lisp 01:24:22 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:25:22 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 01:25:39 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has joined #lisp 01:28:21 lemoinem [~swoog@199.180.99.230] has joined #lisp 01:30:44 antonv: i imagine something like (defclass foo () (...)) (defclass cached-foo (cached-wrapper) ((class-to-cache :initform 'foo)) (:metaclass cached-wrapper-meta)) 01:31:14 antonv: the last of which could be turned into a macro which creates cached-foo when you say (cached-wrapper foo) 01:32:50 madnificent: ok, I understand the idea more or less; but I will leave this excerciese to the next time I will have appropriate problem 01:33:41 -!- hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1279584440.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:34:56 I see memoization is just OK, and the library is available as (ql:quickload "memoization")) 01:35:06 hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1279584440.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 01:35:25 it doesn't look to be thread-safe, but for me it's ok 01:36:04 antonv: i'd leave it until you want to have some fun. for any practical use, i'd probably end up going for memoization. i'd have to have a very specific need if i'd start building something like cached-wrapper not for fun. 01:36:47 -!- paul0 [~paul0@186.222.49.181] has quit [Quit: paul0] 01:42:03 antonv: see fare-memoization 01:42:10 it does memoization right. 01:42:21 sshirokov [sshirokov@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has joined #lisp 01:42:23 and it's maintained 01:42:25 drwho [~drwho@216-122-174-206.gci.net] has joined #lisp 01:43:02 antonv: do not use "memoization" - the thing from the early 1990s 01:43:04 the lparallel library has some useful concepts like a "future" which, once it takes on a value, it stays the same. i'm thinking it could be used to do a thread safe memoisation 01:43:58 p.s. i don't know anything about FareTower's memoization 01:44:06 is there a library that evaluates which global variables take up space for your GC? 01:44:50 ok, fare-memoization isn't thread-safe. 01:45:45 -!- wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-78-35-56-99.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:45:53 FareTower: thanks for the info 01:46:06 will use it 01:46:10 FareTower: just out of interest, where does "fare" come from? it means "to do" in italian, so i think you must be a "doer" :) 01:46:41 jnbek [~jnbek@pdpc/supporter/active/jnbek] has joined #lisp 01:47:01 -!- drwho [~drwho@216-122-174-206.gci.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:47:38 In my case, it's short for "Francois-Rene". 01:47:43 FareTower: so, what does fare-memoization fix? 01:47:46 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:47:58 madnificent, see the README. As compared to what? 01:48:03 to memoization? 01:48:06 yes 01:48:19 FareTower: ok :) 01:48:36 DataLinkDroid: and tower means a reflective tower. that means that FareTower must be a bunch of todos about todos about todos about ... 01:48:42 well, marty hall's 1993 memoization library treats memoization as if it were trace. 01:48:53 which ironically looks like /my/ life 01:49:11 :-) 01:49:32 which is wrong. Mass-unmemoization of all functions is seldom what you want, for instance. 01:49:51 aha, so it's an evolutionary step :) 01:50:10 it's a nice experiment, but lacks principle in its API, has examples that make for very bad programming 01:50:36 it can't handle multiple return values, and may fail in presence of inlining. 01:50:42 jasox [~user@178.239.26.130] has joined #lisp 01:50:49 fare-memoization it is :) 01:51:16 to answer in more details, I'd have to look at its ugly code again. 01:52:21 so, I'm a perl programmer, where is the best place for a perl programmer to start with lisp? 01:53:13 fare-memoization in addition to getting these things right, has an API to access the memoization table, and to select a normalization function to be called on argument lists. 01:53:22 jnbek: i think PCL 01:53:27 minion: tell jnbek about PCL 01:53:27 jnbek: direct your attention towards PCL: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 01:53:29 jnbek: cool. i have a perl background too 01:53:31 jnbek: practical common lisp? land of lisp? 01:54:09 however, it's perl... there's really no knowing what jnbek knows or not. my guess is still the PCL though. 01:54:42 oh, and you can use fare-memoization with weak hash-tables, if your implementation has them. 01:55:08 FareTower: nice. you think of everything! :) 01:55:23 yes, I see the parameter in memoize 01:55:26 I work for a Perl shop, I'm not a 'master' by any means, but I'm not a n00b either :) 01:56:08 we were talking about 'lispy' coding the other day, and i got a dumbfounded look from everyone when i asked if i should learn lisp or not 01:56:18 jnbek: no worries. i'm not a larry wall wizard either 01:56:23 DataLinkDroid, no I don't, but I do take into account feedback from users. I'm not releasing a library in 1993 that remains unmaintained for 20 years. 01:56:44 The first version of my library wasn't so good to look at. 01:56:59 (It did get the basics right, and that's all) 01:57:16 acting on feedback may be even better than thinking of everything 01:57:21 jnbek: the PCL is a very practical book, it throws around examples. with perl you can also write some things quickly, however lisp applications will be easier to maintain. go for it. 01:57:25 it takes many attempts to get the API just right and modular. 01:57:56 jnbek: do take into account that it is a very well-written book and that, although the wording doesn't seem complex, its contents may need some time to sink in. 01:58:03 lisp seems like a good place to start looking into for a different perspective on programming. I always find myself doing perl things the same way over and over, and i know there are other ways to do stuff.. 01:58:10 the previous version of the API tried to do too much, didn't do it well, and didn't do it in a modular way. 01:59:01 jnbek: you will find CL to be much nicer than perl, but you will have to develop a little toolset for yourself to address all the system admin chores you might use perl to do 01:59:27 whereas perl is geared to that right out of the box 01:59:47 hmm, ok, i can dig that 01:59:50 jnbek: mainly, CL doesn't come with as much batteries included as Perl, and quicklisp is not as rich, documented and easy to navigate as CPAN. 02:00:17 but CL has many other advantages. If you want plenty of existing code you might investigate Racket, too. 02:00:39 jnbek: oh, anything you read about libaries: asdf still exists, asdf-install should be murdered and has been replaced by quicklisp. 02:01:00 lol, ok 02:01:04 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:05 springz [~springz@116.231.109.177] has joined #lisp 02:01:12 i'm sure i'll be in here asking all manner of questions 02:01:29 recently, I wrote inferior-shell to replace 90% of my uses of a shell in scripting. Can be useful for things you'd use perl for scripting, too. 02:01:42 FareTower: is it published? 02:01:42 And cl-ppcre has the regex power you want. 02:02:08 probably it's to early to overflow jnbek with libraries info? 02:02:22 madnificent, yes, it's on qitab. http://common-lisp.net/project/qitab/ 02:02:30 no, cl-ppcre is good to know for a perl programmer 02:02:33 -!- jasox [~user@178.239.26.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:49 pnq [~nick@172.130.24.51] has joined #lisp 02:02:57 let him learn to define a function, create list or array 02:03:02 pnathan1 [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has joined #lisp 02:03:04 main diff is that you don't have the "raw regex syntax" you have in perl source code 02:06:00 an earlier version is in quicklisp, but there have been significant improvements/bugfixes in error handling since. I hope quicklisp catches up, soon. 02:06:17 -!- pnathan [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:06:50 FareTower: if i want to recompile a library when loading it with ql:quickload, what is the easies way? 02:07:51 it doesn't have the :force argument as asdf:load-op has 02:08:04 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:08:13 load it with quickload, then do (asdf:load-system :foo :force t) ? 02:08:31 actually, if quicklisp is loaded, asdf:load-system might work... does it? 02:08:42 should I specyfy custom asdf pathaname translation to my custom and emtptty directory? 02:09:42 asdf:load-system after load-op possible, although not very satisfying (loading two times) 02:10:06 try it just one time -- does it work? 02:10:24 It might, if quicklisp already downloaded the thing 02:10:42 which if it didn't you don't need :force t 02:10:44 no, loaded quicklisp is not enough. quicklisp:quickload works by providing a handler for asdf:missing-component, downloading component from internet and calling "retry" restart 02:11:34 you could send xach a patch for providing keyword arguments to quickload 02:12:21 I thought about this, but don't really like the idea to duplicate all the possible options of the underlying API (asdf) in the top API (quicklisp) 02:12:32 &allow-other-keys 02:12:37 and (remove-keys ...) 02:13:16 I think quicklisp works that way - handling asdf:missing component - because there is no way in asdf to find out all the dependencies of a component (is it so?) 02:13:41 quicklisp precompiles the list of dependencies for components in quicklisp 02:14:25 (by building them one by one) 02:14:30 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 02:15:04 if we have dependencies, then we could simplify (ql:quickload) into a simpler call (qucklisp:install) which just downloads the depencencies to file system 02:15:17 and then we do usual (asdf:operate ...) 02:15:23 and provide the options we need 02:15:48 that way avoid transferring arguments for asdf through ql:quickload parameters 02:17:03 i think a :force-recompile on ql:quickload is a reasonable thing 02:17:13 or maybe it should be ql:slowload 02:17:34 (clarification: quicklosp doesn't have this ql:install call, I just want it to have one) 02:18:01 send suggestions / patches to quicklisp on github 02:18:13 DataLinkDroid: imho this solution has disadvantabe of duplicating functionality between quicklisp and asdf 02:18:59 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Client Quit] 02:19:11 imho introducing ql:install which just enssures components are on fs, and then working through asdf is beter factorization 02:19:15 quicklisp already duplicate asdf functionality 02:19:42 stlifey [~stlifey@119.121.183.222] has joined #lisp 02:20:06 I will ask someday about possiblility to use the dependency information in quicklisp distro - how reliable it is to use it 02:20:24 it's reliable enough to work for quicklisp (: 02:20:44 but check out #quicklisp for more targeted development discussion 02:20:49 i have doubt because ql:quickload doesn't use it, it handles asdf:missing-component condition 02:21:05 rtoym [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has joined #lisp 02:21:30 FareTower: anyway, I am currious, is it possible to retreive dependency information of an asdf system jusing just asdf API? 02:21:49 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.132.113.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:21:51 *using just asdf API 02:23:06 antonv: not easily. To do it reliably, you have to start a clean image, build the system, and see what was loaded with it. 02:23:11 (more precisely, ql uses asdf:missing-dependency) 02:23:16 which is how quicklisp itself does it. 02:23:31 reason is: the .asd file may itself load some other systems 02:23:46 it's arbitrary lisp code 02:23:54 sbryant [freenode@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has joined #lisp 02:24:02 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@78-1-159-97.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:24:04 and some files do, even though modern asdf's have :defsystem-depends-on 02:24:21 (which does the same, except in a more declarative way) 02:25:13 that's unfortunate! 02:25:14 quicklisp then records that data in a database 02:25:25 antonv: adopt xcvb! 02:25:47 i was thinking of introducing some asdf:nop operation, which does nothing but just collects dependencies when iterating over dependency tree 02:26:14 strange. I just updated paredit and it doesn't insert a newline when I ) anymore. Surreal. 02:26:16 but if they writting arbitrary code in .asd files there is no way to determine dependencies without loading the system ((( 02:26:34 antonv: won't work with asdf 02:26:44 antonv: if you want declarative, use xcvb, not asdf. 02:27:05 sykopomp, what when you open the next ( ? 02:27:34 (| -> ()| 02:27:42 as opposed to (| -> ()\n| 02:27:44 FareTower: how does xcvb play with quicklisp? 02:28:41 DataLinkDroid, not at this point. 02:28:48 ok 02:28:49 on my TODO list. 02:30:05 snarkyjack [~snarkyjac@adsl-74-160-81-213.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 02:31:27 *FareTower* wants a heap inverter that computes which roots link to a given node, then adds up estimated node sizes to tell which roots are hogging the image. 02:31:50 does such a library already exist? 02:32:14 haven't seen anything like that 02:32:32 me either, but haven't looked 02:33:09 *maxm-* had some lack with (sb-vm::map-referencing-objects 'print :dynamic obj) 02:33:12 luck 02:33:25 maxm-: nice 02:33:32 but beware that above sometimes crashes / blows up satck 02:33:34 stack 02:33:37 hum 02:34:44 Oddity [~Oddity@d75-156-93-80.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 02:34:45 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@d75-156-93-80.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Changing host] 02:34:45 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 02:34:53 the surprises I seen were actully stefil tests that have arguments, they keep references to arguments after they run.. ie (stefil:deftest foo (x)) once used, keeps reference to x 02:34:54 -!- snarkyjack [~snarkyjac@adsl-74-160-81-213.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:35:39 also slime keeps references for all presentation in REPL, so you need to C-c M-o repl, and also type nil a few times to clear out * ** and *** 02:35:51 maxm-: oh, that may explain things 02:36:05 I use stefil, and after sufficient tests it blows my memory 02:36:39 something else too.. Ahh obviously lambdas closed over the variables keep references to variables alive, and if such lambda was passed as callback or such to foreign code, that can keep stuff alive 02:36:41 or *something* blows my memory -- could be something stupid *I* do. 02:36:43 totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:37:02 I want to know. 02:37:56 probably something stupid *I* do. 02:39:59 Natch| [~natch@178.73.212.235] has joined #lisp 02:41:25 joast [~rick@98.145.85.206] has joined #lisp 03:00:54 -!- FareTower [fare@nat/google/x-prloltdokagatsil] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:01:53 -!- DrPete [~DrPete@unaffiliated/drpete] has left #lisp 03:03:10 Quadresce [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 03:03:59 shifty`` [~user@114-198-36-60.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 03:04:14 djanatyn` [~user@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has joined #lisp 03:05:45 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:05:46 -!- 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they define a class ptester-source-file 08:15:24 ASau` [~user@93-80-4-160.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 08:16:08 -!- arborist [~arborist@e182019028.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:19:19 -!- ASau [~user@93-80-107-158.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:19:35 minion: are you there? 08:19:36 yes 08:20:18 minion: memo for wakeup: abstract away the notion of source file reference, with subclasses for text files (line/column) and for binary files (index position). 08:20:18 Remembered. 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But the right number of arguments you shall pass 09:26:19 Backtrace: 09:26:19 0: (CLBENCH:PREPORT)[:EXTERNAL] 09:26:19 1: (SB-INT:SIMPLE-EVAL-IN-LEXENV (APPLY #'CLBENCH:PREPORT (CLBENCH:TRACKING 20 5 10000)) #) 09:26:39 2: (SWANK::EVAL-REGION "(apply #'clbench:preport (clbench:tracking 20 5 10000))\n") 09:26:41 dim: certainly pasting stack traces here is wrong 09:26:44 -!- b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@31.176.159.147] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:26:45 I don't think the other part is interesting 09:26:49 oh sorry 09:27:00 I though that the first 3 lines would be enough hence ok to post directly 09:27:12 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 09:27:45 the stack trace is not actually helpful, sorry :/ 09:27:57 H4ns: if you need broad compatibility, you can quit/exit by funcalling (find-symbol "EXIT" "SB-EXT"), and handling an undefined-function by funcalling sb-ext:quit 09:28:10 H4ns: for me neither 09:28:41 (you probably know this but hey) 09:28:47 Kryztof: the beauty of your proposed solution is not apparent to me. 09:29:10 H4ns: another try at http://paste.lisp.org/display/129863 ? 09:29:16 it does not involve anything fundamentally fragile like detecting the sbcl version 09:29:39 dim: how many arguments does clbench:prereport require? 09:29:50 which was your proposed solution, which you described as "not nice". At least this way you detect the functionality that you are actually using, rather than some unreliable proxy for it 09:30:29 (defun preport (jobs times executes all min max avg slow-queries) 09:30:35 so, 8, it seems 09:31:10 Kryztof: i'd prefer to call sb-ext:quit and not be bothered with a deprecation notice. 09:31:12 I will soon be able to publish that source, mind you, I just have to clean out some SQL file names and content from the source dir 09:31:18 dim: so why do you call it without parameters? 09:31:20 the CL part is all ok to publish, I think 09:31:27 <|3b|> the call in frame 2 is suspect, if i'm looking at the right clbench, since tracking calls preport itself 09:31:56 ahah 09:31:57 (defun tracking (duration jobs times-per-job) "run a benchmark for the tracking env" (apply #'preport 09:32:05 I had changed that and forgotten I did 09:32:13 yw 09:32:16 it's another case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand just did 09:32:20 thx much, yes 09:32:42 and I must have tried something else entirely in CCL 09:32:45 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128139075.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 09:33:15 I'm using CCL on the devel machine and SBCL on the testing machine where it's much easier to go with easily available debian packages 09:34:10 H4ns: sorry, I was advising you against using something broken, not suggesting that this was the best of all possible worlds. You're of course free to carry on using sb-ext:quit and handle the deprecation warning 09:35:01 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.1.1] 09:35:10 Kryztof: i guess i don't quite understand why sb-ext:quit cannot be fixed and must be deprecated 09:35:35 Hussaind [~hussain@115.124.115.71] has joined #lisp 09:35:51 do you want to understand, or if I try to find out and explain will you just bite my head off again? 09:36:09 -!- Hussaind [~hussain@115.124.115.71] has left #lisp 09:36:11 Kryztof: no, i'm genuinely interested and i'm not biting. 09:36:43 EyesIsMine [~Eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has joined #lisp 09:39:42 antonv, Kryztof - thanks 09:40:27 I suspect that probably the main reason is that sb-ext:quit has in fact historically not quit in child threads 09:41:24 -!- kilon [~kvirc@178.59.17.196] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 09:41:36 and probably someone has become attached to that behaviour 09:42:26 I will happily own to being not authoritative on this 09:48:40 harish [~harish@119.234.200.204] has joined #lisp 09:55:22 <_8david> it's still a change to a function which all of SBCL's users need, and which could have been changed instead in a way that would have affected only few of those 09:58:57 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 09:59:30 chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-25-97.lns2.dea.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 09:59:58 yes. The consequences of the effect might have been more severe in the semantics-change case, localised to the few who use it that way? 10:03:25 we have the usual problem of not knowing who uses SBCL for what, and also people only noticing things some way after it's been discussed and implemented -- which can make tradeoff-based decision making hard. 10:03:39 <_8david> hands up: who ever noticed QUIT not quitting and did _not_ consider that a bug? 10:03:52 I suppose that's why some projects define beauty or aesthetics as a criterion 10:04:32 because it at least gives a mechanism for making decisions in the almost total absence of information 10:04:53 imho this comes from the old linux thing where processes and threads were kind of the same thing underneath, and a one could have created some hybrid of two with the right syscall 10:05:33 I remember something like clone() or such, that has a bitmask of flags of which parts to share, and which to COW, ie vm/address spaces, file handles, signals etc 10:05:47 donno if its still the case or no in modern linux 10:05:50 could anyone tell me how to ensure that a parallel (threaded) program using random number can be reexecuted in order to get the same results (it's an experiment)? 10:06:43 <_8david> I don't see any parallels to Linux, but I guess only dan_b would be able to say. 10:06:47 given a random state, copy it and bind the copy to *random-state* before starting work 10:06:48 <_8david> anyawy, I'm not arguing for further changes to be made now -- I was too lazy to state my position when nikodemus made his changes, and I'm not planning on having that discussion now either. 10:07:10 yeah, we can make more incompatible changes in a year or two instead ;-) 10:07:16 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:07:28 _8david: the parallels are that _exit() was used to terminate these "threado-processes", simularly to how sb-ext:quit 10:07:32 well, i have upgraded my sbcl for now, but i'd be happy to see the deprecation go away. 10:08:22 <_8david> my point was more that when users say "your changes are dumb, are I don't like them, because I had to write two lines of workaround" then let's not say "but you can write two lines of code as a workaround" like that's a meaningful answer. :-) 10:09:00 ah, but my point was "those are the wrong two lines to write as a workaround" 10:09:25 "at least this workaround won't break when you least expect it" 10:09:28 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:10:04 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:12:11 Kryztof: I do that, but I use lparallel:pmapcar to call a function that uses random, so I can't tell the order in which items in the list call random 10:13:50 Hm. Initialize each thread's random-state based on the outer random state and some hash of the arguments to the mapped function? 10:15:08 -!- DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-113-159.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:15:22 so, fix outer random state seeding it, fix each random state in every thread, and then what about the function? 10:16:12 then it's OK -- each thread has its own state so can't be affected by any others? 10:16:35 not sure I see what any remaining problem is 10:16:50 edgar-rft [~me@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 10:17:35 I just don't get the hash part of your previous question 10:18:00 you mean to use the hash as a seed? 10:18:02 right 10:18:11 I got it now 10:18:14 thanks 10:18:14 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@86.42.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 10:18:19 good luck! 10:18:24 thanks :) 10:29:36 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-162-199.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:31:43 ignas__ [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has joined #lisp 10:34:20 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 10:39:11 -!- ace4016 [~ace4016@cpe-024-074-197-085.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: When there's nothing left to burn you have to set yourself on fire.] 10:42:32 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 10:46:04 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:47:54 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 10:48:08 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:50:47 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:56:31 H4ns: sb-ext:exit or ext:exit or ccl:exit, etc. all have the big problem of being implementation dependant. Obviously, you want a portability layer. I use my very own com.informatimago.pjb:quit function 10:56:50 asvil [~asvil@178.124.22.79] has joined #lisp 10:57:38 -!- Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@h081217030118.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:57:53 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 10:58:38 Hi all. Can I define my abbreviation for clx card8, card16? 10:59:23 (deftype card8 () '(unsigned-byte 8)) 10:59:42 (deftype card8 () '(integer 0 255)) works too. 11:00:06 Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@h081217030118.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 11:01:27 pjb: yes it is for type, but I need it for X11 protocol reading|writing using with-buffer-request-*. I found define-accessor, but this macro seems to be internal use only. 11:01:48 -!- abeaumont [~Alfredo@90.165.165.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02:31 asvil: well, you're probably expanding clx, so using this internal operation sounds ok. 11:02:37 if you're writing a clx extension, you should be using define-accessor 11:02:46 look at the other extensions in the source 11:02:48 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-214-61.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 11:04:17 ok, thx 11:08:14 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:08:53 abeaumont [~Alfredo@90.165.165.246] has joined #lisp 11:10:10 treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has joined #lisp 11:11:55 -!- zxq9 [~zxq9@FL1-119-244-163-13.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:16:24 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128139075.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:17:41 -!- treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:18:35 Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-16-175.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 11:29:51 treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has joined #lisp 11:29:51 jiroukaja [~jiroukaja@softbank221094150218.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 11:34:24 -!- Dunrong` [~user@119.255.44.227] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:35:48 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:36:16 Harag [~phil@dsl-244-50-247.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:40:03 -!- drl_ [~lat@110.139.229.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:40:03 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:41:42 -!- smithzv [~smithzv@99-71-111-56.lightspeed.whtnil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:42:15 I wish there was an operator that works like LET+TAGBODY, or like PROG but without the implicit BLOCK 11:46:40 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:05 mobydick [~textual@d122-109-134-238.adl801.sa.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 11:48:49 kushal [kdas@nat/redhat/x-sezfadhrhdlagfjl] has joined #lisp 11:48:49 -!- kushal [kdas@nat/redhat/x-sezfadhrhdlagfjl] has quit [Changing host] 11:48:50 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 11:49:00 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:50:34 tcr: that seems pretty trivial to make 11:51:21 famous last words - have you considered declarations? 11:52:22 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 11:52:44 that said it's not hard with parse-body, still I just like it being there 11:53:19 Yuuhi [benni@p5483A51F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:54:25 -!- arrsim` [~user@2001:44b8:415c:cc01:a800:4ff:fe00:a04] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:55:19 drl_ [~lat@110.139.229.172] has joined #lisp 11:55:19 drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has joined #lisp 11:59:28 nanoc [~conanhome@201-251-62-201.static.speedy.com.ar] has joined #lisp 12:00:05 -!- treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:01:04 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-63-81.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:01:50 apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:02:08 -!- apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 12:06:27 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:07:38 -!- vervic [~vervic@84.114.246.246] has quit [Quit: vervic] 12:14:21 HI all.. Can someone please explain the basics of how Hunchentoot can be used to manage the unique data/requests of multiple users at the same time? Similar to the way say, Facebook has multiple users logged in at the same time. Is this called session handling? 12:15:22 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 12:16:52 mobydick: read up on sessions, hunchentoot has support for them 12:18:28 mobydick: in short, a session is attached to the user/browser. when he logs in you set the user's name in the session. you can then access that session when certain requests arrive. for instance http://books.com/my-books would check the user's session. see which user is logged in, and return the books for that user. 12:19:50 mobydick: also, #lispweb might be of interest to you (it's very low traffic) 12:24:38 magnificent, thanks that should be enough info to get started 12:25:15 please use tab completion, it's bad enough that others have started using my nickname 12:25:37 mobydick: and enjoy! it's fun to play with for the first time :) 12:27:54 treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has joined #lisp 12:29:45 yep totally agree its pretty exciting learning about all these different avenues of functionality with lisp.. each time you learn something new it opens up a whole bunch of possibilities 12:29:59 peterhil [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined #lisp 12:30:12 sorry about the nickname, how do I make my comment be directed at you? (tab completion?) 12:31:02 mobydick: type "ma" and push TAB. 12:31:14 madnificent: maybe you should start prefixing it with reverse domain name notation :D 12:34:03 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.241.61] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 12:34:29 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.241.61] has joined #lisp 12:36:13 dlowe: this is :com.knowified.madnificent :P but i prefer you to use the package local nickname :madnificent ? 12:36:17 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:38:31 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.241.61] has quit [Client Quit] 12:38:34 -!- nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:39:03 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:39:32 -!- |3b| [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:39:40 |3b| [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:41:09 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.241.61] has joined #lisp 12:42:22 mrSpec [~Spec@89-68-55-121.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 12:42:22 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@89-68-55-121.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 12:42:23 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 12:46:18 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA11B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 12:47:04 -!- mobydick [~textual@d122-109-134-238.adl801.sa.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 12:50:17 fantazo [~fantazo@91.119.75.149] has joined #lisp 12:51:07 -!- mucker [~mucker@202.65.155.202] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:52:55 -!- hugoduncan is now known as hugod 12:53:25 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 12:53:27 smithzv [~smithzv@99-71-111-56.lightspeed.whtnil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 12:58:02 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-67-249-228-147.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 12:58:11 luis: I don't think there's any sane way to implement memory-memory XCHG with CAS. 12:58:29 kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-67-249-228-147.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:58:40 It's also pretty much x86 only, I think. 13:01:55 pnq [~nick@AC8187F8.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 13:01:59 <_8david> so we've got a find_gnumake, but whitespacely-canonical-filenames also wants a gnu find, and we don't have a find_gnufind yet. How would you feel about find autodetection there? Overkill or desirable? 13:15:38 -!- saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA11B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:16:40 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 13:16:52 -!- Quadresce is now known as Quadrescence 13:18:43 mucker [~mucker@183.83.15.231] has joined #lisp 13:18:54 -!- asvil [~asvil@178.124.22.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:20:03 -!- treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:21:35 yakov_ [~androirc@77.72.122.210] has joined #lisp 13:21:45 -!- yakov [~yakov@77.72.122.210] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:22:32 _8david: are we coopting #lisp back? 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I seem to be missing it. 13:55:07 Ugh. It's too early, clearly. 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So if anyone objects to the abovementioned autodetection, please object over in #sbcl. 14:35:45 *redline6561_* just wraps a single funcall with handler-case + a simple-error clause 14:38:49 (defmethod no-applicable-method ((fun (eql (function x))) &rest args) (print `(,foo has no applicable method for ,@args))) 14:38:57 treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has joined #lisp 14:39:02 (defgeneric x (z)) (x 42) 14:39:42 s/foo/fun/ in defmethod above. 14:40:11 ahhh 14:40:11 antgreen [~user@70.50.67.67] has joined #lisp 14:43:46 But for a specific function it's easier to just define a default method. 14:44:12 or do something for all functions: (defmethod no-applicable-method ((fun t) &rest args) (print `(,fun has no applicable method for ,@args))) 14:45:30 pjb: clever! danke. :) 14:46:24 -!- pnq [~nick@AC8187F8.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:47:43 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49:50 stlifey 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prabuinet: if not, you can #'push the #p"/path/to/the/folder/with/asd/in/it" to asdf:*contral-registry* 16:04:57 <|3b|> move the directory, or make a symlink 16:05:22 prabuinet: ^ what |3b| says 16:05:48 vervic_ [~vervic@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 16:06:06 Kron_ [~Kron@2.49.96.76] has joined #lisp 16:06:33 ok 16:06:53 -!- vervic_ [~vervic@84.114.246.246] has quit [Client Quit] 16:07:29 -!- vervic [~vervic@84.114.246.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:09:14 -!- Kron__ [~Kron@2.49.96.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:09:23 i created a symbolic link, now its trying to load my project .. but now getting other error : "error while loading rfc2388" 16:09:42 -!- Blkt [5bdae005@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.218.224.5] has quit [] 16:09:46 rfc2388 loads properly if i load directly from sbcl 16:09:54 this is not working from slime 16:10:15 madnificent: any idea? 16:10:23 wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has joined #lisp 16:10:27 Just add your projects directory to the search path in the asdf config. 16:10:36 it'll find your individual non-quicklisp projects recursively. 16:12:31 prabuinet: are you using require or asdf:load-op instead of #'ql:quickload ? 16:12:40 -!- SplinterOfChaos [~soc@cblmdm24-52-84-142.buckeyecom.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12:45 ql:quickload 16:12:53 mucker [~mucker@183.83.227.117] has joined #lisp 16:13:20 -!- ignas__ [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:13:22 i'm looking at a solution : 16:13:23 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10866478/how-do-i-get-quicklisp-to-load-rfc2388-in-slime 16:13:32 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA12D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:14:02 irpanech6 [~user@184.66.174.87] has joined #lisp 16:14:05 prabuinet: it shouldn't be too complex, but i kind-of lack the time to hold your hand right. someone else will likely answer soon. 16:14:19 m7w [~chatzilla@31.24.92.39] has joined #lisp 16:14:58 madnificent: no problem i'll try .. thanks. brb 16:16:08 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[~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 18:35:53 -!- Harag [~phil@dsl-244-50-247.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #lisp 18:38:34 There isn't much to set up apart from enable the unicode USE flag and setting a UTF-8 LANG and LC_ALL in the environment. 18:38:39 enabling* 18:40:18 -!- edgar-rft [~me@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: Mental vacuum] 18:40:51 no no no, never set LC_ALL 18:40:54 -!- jewel [~jewel@196.215.168.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:41:28 LC_ALL is evilness incarnate 18:42:30 paul0 [~paul0@186.222.49.181] has joined #lisp 18:44:00 fe[nl]ix: Why's that? 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seconds] 23:08:16 ho, thanks jsnell you save me the trouble to put the code :) 23:08:48 it seemed obvious where that question was going ;-) 23:08:51 I guess the author of the Land of Lisp should have explained this :p 23:09:33 flanfl: why in C is ++ an operator, but not +++ or ++++ or +++++ ? 23:10:20 if + is a binary operator and ++ a unary operation, then +++ is ... ? 23:11:03 zerory operation 23:11:14 I've no idea, I never thought of that 23:13:08 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:14:03 saage [~saage@200.195.179.34] has joined #lisp 23:14:03 -!- saage [~saage@200.195.179.34] has quit [Changing host] 23:14:03 saage [~saage@unaffiliated/saage] has joined #lisp 23:14:14 flanfl: do you need more help? 23:15:35 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@86.42.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 23:15:49 antonv: nope so far I'm good, thanks 23:15:55 ( 23:15:58 )) 23:16:42 usually, I see the word nullary being used in that case 23:17:03 and what about ++++: minus-unary? 23:17:14 -!- kwmiebach__ [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-78-3-182.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:17:21 why not 23:17:41 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:17:46 kwmiebach__ [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-78-3-182.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:18:11 what whould it mean i wonder 23:18:47 nullary is constant, consumes no operands 23:18:54 unary consumes one operand 23:19:06 munus-unary should produce an operand 23:23:48 but operators already return a result... so does that mean it will return two results? 23:24:33 This is the whole reason we have multiple values in CL. 23:24:36 hz, I don't know how to apply them useful 23:25:16 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@12.14.132.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:25:38 i can't even think how to use unary +++ 23:25:43 nullary 23:26:10 conusmes no operands, but what it returns? 23:26:26 antonv: It just returns 1, which you can then pass as an argument to + to simulate ++. 23:26:36 it\s a random desision, just like ++ adds 1 but not 7 23:26:46 ok +++ returns 1 23:26:51 -!- sporous [~sporous@antispammeta/bot/irssi/sporous] has quit [Disconnected by services] 23:27:02 +++ + 1 = 2 23:27:03 sporous [~sporous@antispammeta/bot/irssi/sporous] has joined #lisp 23:28:30 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@c9063460.virtua.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:29:08 -!- sellout [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:29:29 DataLinkDroid [~David@1.140.190.15] has joined #lisp 23:29:37 it must return 2, because foo (a) { return ++++a; }; ... foo(1) returns 3. 23:30:26 but before it returns 2, it has to make dragons fly out of your nose. 23:32:24 i was thinking if ++++ may be a repeater for nearby operation. for example ++++ 3*5 = 3* (3*5) 23:33:36 but don't see how to make it sonsistent with ++++1 == 3 23:33:45 *consistent 23:34:09 Phooodus [~foo@wsip-68-107-217-139.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 23:34:36 since it returns two results, I'd say it tweaks the next operation, so foo(++++) ; foo() actually calls foo(2) ; foo(2), but the second time, it has sent the dragons flying back into your nose. 23:34:38 then we will need to define operatos of fractional unarity and so on 23:35:18 hard work 23:35:28 -!- Phoodus [~foo@wsip-68-107-217-139.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:36:05 or foo(++++) ; bar() captures the continuation of the first ++++ and feeds it to bar. It's a C-ish call/cc. 23:36:18 -!- mveety [~mveety@66.33.236.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:36:20 -!- paul0 [~paul0@186.222.49.181] has quit [Quit: paul0] 23:36:23 perfect C syntax for call/cc 23:36:31 mveety [~mveety@66.33.236.136] has joined #lisp 23:38:02 jasox [~user@178.239.26.130] has joined #lisp 23:41:10 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43:31 -!- wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:44:29 -!- kwmiebach__ [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-78-3-182.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:45:00 -!- flanfl [~flanfl@cpc2-sgyl22-0-0-cust619.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46:04 yes, but it's not minus-unary, it just unary, captures something and feeds a result further 23:46:22 oh that flanfl with his operatos 23:50:05 -!- apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 23:53:06 ozialien [~ozi@ip68-0-179-160.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 23:53:28 AndChat| [~David@1.146.57.107] has joined #lisp 23:53:52 -!- AndChat| [~David@1.146.57.107] has quit [Client Quit] 23:53:55 flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@187.105.3.184] has joined #lisp 23:54:33 AndChat| [~David@1.146.63.169] has joined #lisp 23:54:52 -!- AndChat| [~David@1.146.63.169] has quit [Client Quit] 23:55:02 -!- DataLinkDroid [~David@1.140.190.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:55:30 paul0 [~paul0@186.222.49.181] has joined #lisp 23:58:42 guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:59:24 -!- jasox [~user@178.239.26.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:59:59 -!- _3b [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]