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However, they are being inserted without the needed quotations marks. Please tell me how to fix this. 01:30:07 What quotation mark? 01:30:14 (I didn't read PCL). 01:32:28 Perhaps they're not strings that you're pushing ... 01:32:45 (type-of ...) might be useful to diagnose this. 01:33:07 drl: maybe you used read instead of read-line in prompt-read? 01:33:12 perhaps there's a prompt-read-line ? 01:33:57 I used read-line. 01:34:53 drl: you haven't said what you mean by "needed" quotation marks 01:35:17 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:35:44 DataLinkDroid, I mean I want them there. 01:35:57 did you type them in?? 01:36:37 drl: What's record look like at the end of whatever it is you're doing? 01:36:46 If I type them in, they are there. But I don't want to have to do that. 01:37:03 then you have to add them programmatically 01:37:29 Try: (push (format nil "\"~S\"" (prompt-read "Comment: ")) (nth 11 record)) 01:37:46 (concatenate 'string "\"" (prompt-read "blah") "\"") 01:38:19 Bike, do you mean when save in a file. 01:39:04 drl: Okay, I think you may be confused about printing functions. Try (print "asdf") and (princ "asdf") on the REPL? 01:39:33 princ doesn't print readably. 01:39:38 use prin1 or print to print readably. 01:43:24 -!- dnolen [~user@pool-96-224-18-215.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:43:42 -!- bruno_coelho [~bruno_coe@177.134.157.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:44:51 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 01:44:54 drl: if you use read-line, you get a string. Strings don't contain quotes, unless you type them in. 01:45:22 (map 'list (function identity) "Hello") => (#\H #\e #\l #\l #\o) ; no quote. 01:46:12 (map 'list (function identity) "\"Hello\"") => (#\H #\e #\l #\l #\o) ; explicit quotes. 01:46:22 (map 'list (function identity) "\"Hello\"") => (#\" #\H #\e #\l #\l #\o #\") ; explicit quotes 01:47:12 pib, that puts two quotation marks on each side of the word. 01:47:34 Yes. 01:48:09 One here --> (#\" #\H #\e #\l #\l #\o #\") <-- and one here. 01:48:15 two in total. 01:48:16 pjb, ""word"" 01:48:34 there are only two quotes here. 01:48:36 drl: in all programming languages (of which i am aware), the quotation marks delimit a string, but do not form a part of it. 01:49:12 drl: you may be confused by Lisp's tendency to show strings with quotation marks at the REPL prompt 01:49:13 DataLinkDroid, Yes, I know. 01:49:50 that merely shows that the value is a string 01:49:55 and not, say, a number 01:55:38 -!- __dict__ [~jake@74.213.226.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:55:53 __dict__ [~jake@74.213.226.253] has joined #lisp 01:58:29 jack_rabbit [~Jack_rabb@c-24-13-250-216.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:59:45 pjb, this does what I want: (push (format nil "~S" (prompt-read "Comment: ")) Thanks for help pjb and everyone! 02:00:07 -!- jack_rabbit [~Jack_rabb@c-24-13-250-216.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:03:28 drl: that's fine, but i'm not sure why you would want to store away the comment with quotation marks. wouldn't you just add them, if necessary, when it comes time to printing the comments? 02:04:51 -!- daem0n [~yaargh@unaffiliated/mryaargh] has quit [Quit: o/] 02:05:34 KognizantKog [~user@72.168.55.98] has joined #lisp 02:06:16 -!- milanj [~milanj_@109-92-112-58.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:07:12 DataLinkDroid, this way they print properly without me having to add them. I want to be able to edit the file with emacs if needed. Without the quotation marks it would be very difficult to know when one comment ends and another begins. 02:08:49 drl: well, it's unambiguous when you PUSH, so there's no reason to quote there, but you could quote later when you print out that list you just PUSHed onto. 02:08:57 drl: you're doing it wrong. 02:09:03 drl: use print or prin1 to print readably! 02:09:10 drl: read the clhs. 02:09:26 -!- Ralith_ is now known as Ralith 02:09:37 drl: "print readably" means adding the quotes in the case of strings 02:10:26 (print "my string") prints the characters: "my string" 02:10:42 which is exactly what you want in your database file 02:12:08 bruno_coelho [~bruno_coe@177.134.157.32] has joined #lisp 02:12:25 DataLinkDroid, thanks. For some reason I didn't try that. I'm learning. Thanks again for the help! 02:12:34 -!- bruno_coelho [~bruno_coe@177.134.157.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:12:48 -!- zulu_inuoe [~zulu_inuo@c-174-58-204-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #lisp 02:12:55 drl: no worries. ask again whenever things don't work as you expect 02:16:47 pjb, thanks! For some reason I thought that print was only used to write to a file. The problem is that I don't get to program as much I need to to keep things fresh in my mind. 02:17:15 drl: notice that format ~S = prin1 ~A = princ and ~W = write. 02:18:02 so you can use (prin1 data stream), (print data stream) or (format stream "~S" data) to write data readably to a stream. 02:18:41 or (let ((*print-readably* t)) (format stream "~W" data) #|or|# (write data stream)) 02:20:31 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@78-1-149-201.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:22:42 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-16-10.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 02:23:41 pjb and everyone, thanks again! 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http://www.cliki.net/Gray%20streams 09:16:35 foocraft_ [~ewanas@89.211.156.189] has joined #lisp 09:18:10 Levenson [~Levenson@office-gw.skytel.spb.ru] has joined #lisp 09:19:35 H4ns: what makes lparallel nice ? 09:20:27 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 09:20:31 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@86.42.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 09:20:35 What free software best shows off McClim's uses and abilities? Also, is there any documentation with a lot of screen shots? 09:20:48 fe[nl]ix: i've just used it to decouple a long running process from a web interface. it took longer than the proxy timeout for processing. 09:21:13 fe[nl]ix: it was just very easy to turn the whole handler into a future and then have the frontend poll the future. 09:21:20 peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined #lisp 09:21:21 Is this guide valid for McClim: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw43/CLIM/html/climguide-2.htm 09:21:57 fe[nl]ix: and as lparallel uses a configurable thread pool, i got serialization for requests at the same time, but scheduling all futures to a pool with one thread. 09:22:15 fe[nl]ix: using low-level constructs, it would have been rather messy. 09:23:05 hitecnologys [~noname@46.233.209.147] has joined #lisp 09:23:24 fe[nl]ix: http://paste.lisp.org/display/129693 09:24:09 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:24:53 springz [~springz@118.143.64.134] has joined #lisp 09:26:11 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 09:27:17 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 09:30:38 I second drl's first queestion. 09:32:15 drl/naryl: i am not aware of any software based on mcclim that has a sizeable user population. 09:32:52 drl/naryl: clim is nice from a hackers perspective, but it is a hard sell on users who have had previous exposure to contemporary gui systems. 09:36:23 -!- DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-113-159.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 09:37:35 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:37:40 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 09:41:43 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 09:42:28 b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@178.77.25.74] has joined #lisp 09:43:42 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-wgwqmwomoismzpdm] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:44:20 Wasn't it also slow like molasses? Or have that been remedied? 09:44:34 arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has joined #lisp 09:45:17 -!- Phooodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:45:26 IMHO implementing certain ideas from CLIM on top of, let's say, CommonQT would be much more useful 09:45:34 Phoodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 09:46:24 gko [~gko@42-75-79-53.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 09:46:30 -!- gko [~gko@42-75-79-53.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has left #lisp 09:46:46 FreeArtMan [~fam@213.175.106.134] has joined #lisp 09:46:59 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-212.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:47:28 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-212.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:49:10 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@193.136.27.164] has joined #lisp 09:50:54 p_l: Why not implement CLIM itself on top of CommonQT? 09:51:25 (Because IIRC McCLIM still looks ugly and doesn't support many platforms. Both can be solved with Qt) 09:52:01 the inherent complexity of CLIM won't be solved that way, however 09:52:48 the thing is just alien, on bare life support from commercial vendors and hated by original authors 09:53:10 hated ? 09:53:13 with all due respect to the basic ideas and the near-lisp-machine experience and all 09:53:36 fe[nl]ix: well, DUIM is very different IIRC 09:53:43 that wasn't my impression of Scott's feelings 09:53:52 perhaps "hated" is too strong, yes 09:54:07 who cares what scott hates, really? 09:54:42 gko [~gko@42-75-79-53.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 09:54:50 it's not something to care about, but I think it is not a completely uninteresting data point 09:55:05 the question really is whether clim is a good abstraction layer for user interfaces 09:55:52 and, as the original designer and developer, Scott's ideas have a significant weight IMO 09:56:03 jasox [~jasox@178.239.26.130] has joined #lisp 09:56:09 -!- gko [~gko@42-75-79-53.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:56:20 i'd rather judge the work than the judgement of the creator 09:56:31 H4ns: That's why we need at least one modern useful application in CLIM. Theorising won't help much IMO. 09:56:38 i think CLIM is a bit lacking for dynamic UIs. it wants the pane hiararchy defined up-front. 09:56:42 because, quite frankly, authors often give their work more love than makes sense. 09:56:43 About its usefulness. 09:56:53 (I may well grossly misrepresent Scott here, anyway) 09:57:23 this could be alleviated by having more gadget classes 09:57:42 naryl: the fact that even though clim has been available for many years and mcclim is also pretty old now tells something about how useful it is for creating real-world applications, i think. 09:57:58 naryl: i'd say it is theoretically nice, but not practically useful. 09:58:22 they said the same thing about Lisp! 09:58:25 Hussaind [~hussain@115.124.115.71] has joined #lisp 09:58:32 (sorry) 09:58:35 with some right to it. 09:58:46 ah, the old argument from popularity 09:58:55 cmm: ;) 09:59:27 -!- Hussaind [~hussain@115.124.115.71] has left #lisp 09:59:28 i think the love for clim really comes from the fact that there is a specification, not some implementation of something that is ill-defined. and that is certainly a value in itself. 09:59:40 -!- springz [~springz@118.143.64.134] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:04 but contrasted to lisp, popularity is a good measure for clim because it caters for the user, not the programmer. lisp can be made invisible to the user, clim can not. 10:00:17 H4ns: There may be another reason. The only free CLIM implementation is not crossplatform so n addition to making the useful application itself you'll have to hack on McCLIM a lot. 10:00:40 btw, i'd love to work on McCLIM, if they dual-license it as something non-GPL 10:00:44 CL implementations OTOH are immediately usable. 10:01:04 as it stands now, i'm implementing my own, and don't even look at the source of McCLIM 10:01:16 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-hroujiwnfsqxwmfs] has joined #lisp 10:01:25 jdz: your own clim implementation? 10:01:35 H4ns: yah, for web apps 10:01:51 what happened to beach's new shiny CLIM, by the way? 10:01:52 jdz: ah, that'll be interesting. 10:02:03 cmm: it's on hold 10:02:58 TimKack [~user@c-2ec2be18-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #lisp 10:03:15 -!- AlexHe [~AndChat32@60.247.127.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:03:57 jdz: You should ask them for permission to use the code in your non-GPL project. I don't understand why non-copyleft fans would stay away from GPL as if it's a EULA. If there's some incompatibility between your chosen licenses talk it over with the developers. 10:05:29 naryl: belief system is incompatible with GPL 10:06:45 Hussaind [~hussain@115.124.115.71] has joined #lisp 10:07:54 Seriously, is CLIM quick these days? The small testing I did looked interesting and I would like to love it. 10:09:27 cymew: (progn (ql:quickload "clim-listener") (clim-listener:run-listener)) 10:10:01 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:11:17 cymew: well, that exact form will of course not work 10:11:24 cymew: but you get the idea 10:11:49 -!- TimKack [~user@c-2ec2be18-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:12:50 zfx [~zfx@109.174.157.242] has joined #lisp 10:12:53 -!- zfx [~zfx@109.174.157.242] has quit [Changing host] 10:12:53 zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has joined #lisp 10:14:56 linsy [~ev@462977126.samara.svrv.ru] has joined #lisp 10:16:32 -!- Hussaind [~hussain@115.124.115.71] has left #lisp 10:17:14 TimKack [~user@c-2ec23c4f-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #lisp 10:18:21 -!- hitecnologys [~noname@46.233.209.147] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:20:54 -!- holycow 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I've narrowed this down to a couple expressions 15:12:38 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-cwbyhxyiaopokdfl] has joined #lisp 15:12:39 any hints on what to look for in macroexpand output? 15:12:55 for # 15:13:44 ozialien [~ozi@206.29.182.228] has joined #lisp 15:13:47 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483B033.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:13:52 yeah that is what I thought, but no #<> stuff in the print so far 15:13:57 lemme cut down this file further 15:14:06 you are using macroexpand-all, not just macroexpand? 15:14:47 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.85] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:15:21 also look for a macro which have default parameters looking like &key (test #'eql) 15:15:52 what's the best way to profile code that uses an external lib through cffi? (so I can tell if the lib is being slow or what) 15:16:18 kpreid: ah no. which package is that in? 15:16:22 dekuked: any kind of profiling 15:16:36 oh, duh, I forgot that was nonstandard, sorry 15:16:49 dash: none, use slime C-c M-m 15:16:56 -!- xyxu [~Adium@180.158.178.70] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:16:57 stassats: any recommended method/program? 15:17:10 brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:17:11 stassats: Ah. I did use that yes. 15:17:20 notice M 15:17:38 dekuked: a profiler included with your implementation 15:18:23 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 15:18:53 dash: sb-cltl2 has a macroexpand-all, fwiw. 15:19:08 ah. 15:19:10 -!- c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-bqvmpkcqnkdjreih] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:19:30 i was already using the slime command for it apparently :) 15:22:22 kpreid: (def-vtable same-guard (audited-by-magic-verb (this auditor) (eql auditor +selfless+))) is enough to produce the error 15:22:37 C-c M-m gets me this: http://bpaste.net/show/30331/ 15:22:59 let's take the details back to our channel 15:23:13 jewel [~jewel@196.215.168.233] has joined #lisp 15:23:24 okay. i feel less like i've forgotten all I knew about CL :) 15:27:09 is compiling this form with C-c C-c cause the error? 15:30:36 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@86.42.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 15:30:38 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:35:30 -!- zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 15:37:20 I'm having a lot of trouble writing this function, and I think I might need to use macros. 15:37:52 So, I'm trying to write a function that takes a list and creates a tree of all possible orders that list can take. 15:38:22 -!- LaughingMan [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:38:23 for f sake, you don't need to use macros 15:38:58 djanatyn: combinations? 15:39:40 djanatyn: look at map-combinations in alexandria 15:39:43 you just need some practice with recursion 15:40:13 for example, I want (make-tree '(1 2 3)) to return '(1 (2 (3) 3 (2)) 2 (1 (3) 3 (1)) 3 (1 (2) 2 (1))) 15:40:32 dlowe: sorry :) 15:40:50 I was just wondering if using macros would make this easier. 15:40:56 no. not a chance. 15:40:57 no, it would not 15:41:18 okay, thank you. 15:41:40 Is what I'm doing okay, or is there a better way of representing trees? 15:41:46 your output seems poorly-defined 15:42:26 -!- jewel [~jewel@196.215.168.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:42:28 so you want to generate a tree and not a list of the permuted lists? 15:42:50 a list of the permutated lists would also be cool 15:43:19 actually, that would probably be easier to work with. 15:43:31 try and solve your problem for a list of size 2 15:43:56 then see if you can generalize it to lists of size n 15:44:25 by having it call itself on a smaller version of the problem 15:44:33 or more specifically, reduce all problems of size >2 to size 2 ;) 15:45:01 oGMo: That sounds less specific ;) 15:45:38 -!- treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:46:22 sellout: heh .. i mean more specific than "generalize to size N" since that doesn't necessarily imply recursion, but yeah 15:50:45 -!- dash [~washort@hactar.greyface.org] has left #lisp 15:54:43 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:55:12 jewel [~jewel@196-209-224-164.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:55:24 -!- hitecnologys [~noname@46.233.209.147] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:56:21 ski [~ski@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 15:56:25 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 15:57:35 macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-17-133.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 15:57:41 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128148102.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:58:24 -!- teggi [~teggi@113.172.40.96] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:59:35 -!- tsenart_ [~tsenart@217.110.45.3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:06 -!- ski [~ski@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:02:35 hitecnologys [~noname@46.233.209.147] has joined #lisp 16:07:41 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:08:44 -!- hitecnologys [~noname@46.233.209.147] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:12:15 benny` [~benny@i577A35C5.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 16:12:54 -!- benny` is now known as benny 16:14:54 -!- ccomendant [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/ccomendant] has left #lisp 16:18:35 -!- DGASAU [~user@91.218.144.129] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:19:02 -!- DGASAU`` is now known as DGASAU 16:21:51 -!- totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:22:19 jacius [~jacius@c-24-13-89-230.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:26:11 I was looking at the tests for sbcl, and there seemed to be a gc test. How did that bug in the gc get introduced? 16:28:08 -!- ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:30:04 -!- nanoc [~conanhome@201-251-62-201.static.speedy.com.ar] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 16:30:35 kushal [~kdas@114.143.163.204] has joined #lisp 16:30:36 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.163.204] has quit [Changing host] 16:30:36 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 16:32:09 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:34:01 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.85] has joined #lisp 16:36:31 -!- yakov [~yakov@77.72.122.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:40:11 -!- scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 16:40:18 dekuked: it's rather hard to implement full coverage in a GC test 16:40:55 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128148102.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 16:43:52 scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has joined #lisp 16:44:09 pnpuff [~uu@95.233.55.162] has joined #lisp 16:44:09 -!- pnpuff [~uu@95.233.55.162] has quit [Changing host] 16:44:09 pnpuff [~uu@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 16:44:09 dekuked: what bug? 16:44:56 -!- lifeng [~lifeng@bb116-14-147-210.singnet.com.sg] has left #lisp 16:49:16 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:50:49 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-cwbyhxyiaopokdfl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:52:54 -!- paddington [~andy@82-196-173-37.bb.systeamnat.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:54:06 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 16:56:10 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:56:31 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 16:59:15 -!- vervic [~vervic@84.114.246.246] has quit [Quit: vervic] 17:00:22 vervic [~vervic@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 17:01:54 metaphysician [~matrix@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 17:05:21 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@86.42.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 17:05:25 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@99-28-161-110.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:08:21 [SLB] [~slabua@host163-69-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 17:08:23 -!- wolkefm [~wolkefm@aolclient-24-33-91-111.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:08:35 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@host163-69-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 17:08:35 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 17:10:41 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@46.28.98.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:11:12 -!- dekuked [~user@static-98-164-147-69.axsne.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:11:26 dekuked [~user@static-98-164-147-69.axsne.net] has joined #lisp 17:14:54 this, I think: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/936304 17:15:05 just going through the reddit lisp and saw that 17:19:57 irpanech0 [~user@184.66.174.87] has joined #lisp 17:20:05 -!- metaphysician [~matrix@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:20:09 *sykopomp* really needs to use git-bisect more! 17:21:43 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:22:18 metaphysician [~matrix@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 17:23:28 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:24:37 inaimathi [~inaimathi@174.137.255.113] has joined #lisp 17:24:50 m7w [~chatzilla@46.28.98.102] has joined #lisp 17:25:51 -!- srcerer_ is now known as srcerer 17:28:22 ski [~ski@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 17:30:24 sds [~sam@cl-pat-tr.clearspring.com] has joined #lisp 17:30:51 -!- sds is now known as Guest13508 17:31:07 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.180.97] has joined #lisp 17:32:30 vantage|home [~vantage@13.32-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 17:32:59 Does Xach still hang out here? 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