00:01:41 AlexHe [~AndChat32@117.136.0.215] has joined #lisp 00:02:15 yep, but there continues to be a non-adoption to GC systems in real-time for whatever reason 00:03:16 -!- two- [~textual@67.23.193.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:03:56 Let just add a few incremental GC algorithms to the various CL implementations and let's be happy with jitterfree computation. 00:04:38 I know, all we need to do is count the number of references to the conses! 00:06:55 -!- daem0n [~yaargh@unaffiliated/mryaargh] has quit [Quit: o/] 00:07:24 -!- paul0 [~paul0@189.115.61.215] has quit [Quit: paul0] 00:11:37 jasom: no. There are algorithms that just do the collection step by step each time you call cons. 00:11:48 So there is never any pause. 00:12:22 gigamonkey_ [~gigamonke@adsl-99-17-204-76.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:13:02 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-184-205-131.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:13:04 -!- gigamonkey_ is now known as gigamonkey 00:16:26 pjb: I know; it was a reference to a bad joke 00:16:56 http://catb.org/jargon/html/koans.html 00:17:46 -!- phadthai_ is now known as phadthai 00:21:06 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-137-160.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:21:32 ok. haha! 00:22:02 -!- AlexHe [~AndChat32@117.136.0.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:22:08 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:22:56 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-137-160.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:26:40 Joreji 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Preferably intra-file techniques, e.g. some "this is package Foo, everything after this point/in here will go into Foo instead of the package used by the rest of this library" 02:02:46 Modius`: (in-package :foo) ? 02:03:18 madnificent: What about *creating* package foo? 02:03:33 -!- jrockway [jrockway@itchy.jrock.us] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:03:33 (defpackage foo (:use :cl)) 02:03:55 madnificent: Is a defpackage and an in-package at the top of a single source-file kosher? 02:04:01 yes 02:04:53 Any real conventions in use for the naming conventions on these sub-packages? libname.sub or anything? Or is it uncommon enough that everyone just plays it by ear? 02:05:48 -!- ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:06:35 we don't have subpackgaes the way java has them, as far as i know. there is no nesting in the symbols. Peter Seibel uses com.gigamonkey.libraryname iirc. others seem to pick a reasonable single name for the package. 02:06:47 which, indeed, is not nice when the package names clash 02:06:48 ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #lisp 02:24:33 jake__ [~jake@74.213.226.253] has joined #lisp 02:26:27 ISF [~ivan@201.82.158.233] has joined #lisp 02:28:29 -!- jewel [~jewel@n112118239133.netvigator.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:33:47 madnificent: subpackages in java don't do much either 02:35:05 _access [~inode_lf@49.74.32.29] has joined #lisp 02:35:26 <_access>  02:35:30 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:35:32 <_access>  02:45:20 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:50:50 -!- mensch [~mensch@pool-72-70-237-219.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:51:59 mensch [~mensch@pool-71-127-12-67.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:54:12 -!- mensch [~mensch@pool-71-127-12-67.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:57:41 _access: well, not really. As an internationnal channel, it's rather English the working language. 02:58:06 Perhaps you could open a #lisp-zh channel? 02:58:53 (unicode is fun) 02:59:28 It's made for that. 03:01:12 <_access> pjb, the function "putprop",why I can't use it?this it error-log:EVAL: undefined function PUTPROP 03:01:21 Modius`: I feel it's simplier to avoid needing to define a package in asd files. Just use strings or keywords or uninterned symbols. And put a single defsystem form per asd file. 03:01:32 _access: because it's not standard. 03:01:44 <_access> pjb, the function had removed? 03:01:45 "undefined function PUTPROP" means it does not exist. 03:01:55 You can use instead: (setf (getf plist key) value) 03:02:04 <_access> pjb, I know 03:02:15 or (setf (get symbol key) value). 03:02:56 You may have fun trying: (macroexpand '(setf (get symbol key) value)) in different implementations. 03:02:59 <_access> pjb, thanks 03:04:12 _access: check http://paste.lisp.org/display/129657 03:06:06 brendyn [brendyn@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:65b4] has joined #lisp 03:11:46 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@c-107-3-142-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:15:03 -!- Siphonblast [~Siphonbla@c-98-210-95-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:27:09 dto [~dto@pool-96-233-56-218.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:29:38 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-153-3.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:30:02 -!- AlexHe [~AndChat32@117.136.0.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:31:58 saage [~saage@unaffiliated/saage] has joined #lisp 03:32:14 -!- saage_ [~saage@200.195.179.34] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:35:43 AlexHe [~AndChat32@117.136.0.167] has joined #lisp 03:44:19 -!- _access [~inode_lf@49.74.32.29] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:44:44 -!- irpanech0 [~user@24.68.147.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:46:37 irpanech0 [~user@24.68.147.165] has joined #lisp 03:57:16 -!- Yamazaki-kun [~bsa3@jetalone.facefault.org] has quit [Quit: reboot] 03:57:53 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@233-91-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:58:34 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.94.38] has joined #lisp 04:00:21 schmx [~marcus@c83-254-190-169.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 04:00:51 ski [~ski@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 04:08:19 andy_arvid [~user@201.24.147.238] has joined #lisp 04:10:06 Ralith_ [~ralith@63.64.64.178] has joined #lisp 04:10:26 -!- Ralith [~ralith@63.64.64.178] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:10:35 -!- Ralith_ is now known as Ralith 04:16:02 -!- lebro [~xmike@ool-18bab4b8.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:19:45 Yamazaki-kun [~bsa3@jetalone.facefault.org] has joined #lisp 04:20:32 -!- Yamazaki-kun [~bsa3@jetalone.facefault.org] has quit [Client Quit] 04:20:41 Yamazaki-kun [~bsa3@jetalone.facefault.org] has joined #lisp 04:20:45 Kron_ [~Kron@2.49.96.76] has joined #lisp 04:23:48 rdd [~rdd@c83-250-153-3.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 04:23:50 -!- loke [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:26:53 -!- benny [~benny@i577A87E6.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:29:15 -!- irpanech0 [~user@24.68.147.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:29:31 irpanech0 [~user@24.68.147.165] has joined #lisp 04:29:46 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-153-3.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:31:10 lebro [~xmike@ool-18bab4b8.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 04:31:49 -!- Modius` is now known as Modius 04:33:18 -!- xyxu [~Adium@180.158.178.70] has left #lisp 04:42:39 -!- saage [~saage@unaffiliated/saage] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:48:32 In SBCL, (time ) constantly says "0 bytes consed" - am I missing anything? 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05:49:40 dynamic-scoped 05:53:21 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.6.13] has joined #lisp 05:59:59 chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-25-97.lns2.dea.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 06:00:10 inaimathi [~inaimathi@bas1-toronto61-1279436554.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 06:05:06 -!- Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:07:08 -!- jacius [~jacius@c-24-13-89-230.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:14:59 dcguru [~chatzilla@66.129.60.130] has joined #lisp 06:15:15 -!- dcguru [~chatzilla@66.129.60.130] has quit [Client Quit] 06:18:53 -!- lebro [~xmike@ool-18bab4b8.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:24:15 -!- bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:42:42 leo2007: if it is, it should have a symbol in the package, and probably a symbol-value 06:45:05 if (eq var (symbol-value 'var)) fails, it's not special in that context, but that doesn't work for a positive test. Plus it involves static code compilation 06:45:24 assuming it's bound at all 06:46:40 I'm not sure a variable has any data about it being "dynamic", that's purely a compile-time decision as far as I can tell 06:47:43 hmm some implementations have specialp also like ECL, but it'd be unportable 06:48:11 dto [~dto@pool-96-233-56-218.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:48:47 right, I don't think one can (portably, at least) inspect a special variable's stack and such at runtime either 06:49:14 unless using a custom binding operator 06:50:00 gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 06:51:12 -!- unglue [~tristan@lvps176-28-16-172.dedicated.hosteurope.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:52:06 -!- jjkola_work [c064748e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.116.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:53:12 What's the typical SBCL per-allocation overhead for 32 and 64 bit? 06:54:51 unglue [~tristan@lvps176-28-16-172.dedicated.hosteurope.de] has joined #lisp 06:57:38 phadthai: thanks 06:58:13 b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@178.77.20.193] has joined #lisp 07:01:56 -!- ofan [~ofan@unaffiliated/ofan] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:02:03 -!- inaimathi [~inaimathi@bas1-toronto61-1279436554.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:08:52 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 07:10:44 ofan [~ofan@unaffiliated/ofan] has joined #lisp 07:16:36 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:17:11 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.227.117] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:19:49 -!- gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [] 07:21:57 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-105-205.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:22:35 kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-46-132.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 07:26:25 rdd [~rdd@c83-250-153-3.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 07:26:30 kaoa [82b41042@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.180.16.66] has joined #lisp 07:26:41 -!- kaoa [82b41042@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.180.16.66] has quit [Client Quit] 07:27:50 Modius: what kind of overhead? 07:36:12 kushal [~kdas@114.143.160.204] has joined #lisp 07:36:13 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.160.204] has quit [Changing host] 07:36:13 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 07:38:18 is there a list of all types and their parameters in the hyperspec? 07:39:18 -!- irpanech0 [~user@24.68.147.165] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:41:29 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.112.91] has joined #lisp 07:43:51 it is in 4.2 Types. Thanks 07:50:00 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 07:53:29 -!- pnq [~nick@AC81674F.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:57:37 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:59:20 insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-47-38.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 07:59:20 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-47-38.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Changing host] 07:59:20 insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has joined #lisp 08:00:22 -!- jake__ [~jake@74.213.226.253] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 08:01:57 alxchk [~user@95-109-219-67.dialup.umc.net.ua] has joined #lisp 08:06:01 -!- alxchk [~user@95-109-219-67.dialup.umc.net.ua] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:17:28 ebw [~user@krlh-4d037ccf.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 08:18:08 [6502] [58959a57@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.149.154.87] has joined #lisp 08:18:48 <[6502]> how do you forward declare functions in common lisp? 08:19:16 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:19:32 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:21:10 bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 08:21:44 [6502]: eval-when? 08:21:50 Croms [~Croms@x007022.bk-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #lisp 08:21:50 do you need to? 08:22:03 <[6502]> the only way i can think to is (defvar foo) (defun foo (x y z) (funcall foo x y z)) ... and later setting foo variable to point to the implementation 08:22:16 nope 08:22:31 a symbol can have both a value and a function 08:22:57 <[6502]> ezakimak: exactly... i'm using the function to call the function contained in the value 08:23:02 you can do (defvar foo) (defun foo ...) (setf foo #'foo) 08:23:25 yes but in your code foo's value is still nil, not the function foo 08:23:28 <[6502]> the problem is that i want to delay (defun foo ...) 08:23:54 so delay it 08:24:17 but if you try to evaluate (funcall foo ...) before foo's value is a function it will simply error 08:24:19 <[6502]> but other code calling foo before the definition will warn 08:24:30 right, it warns than foo's value is nil 08:24:48 as long as it is a function when the code is executed, you're fine 08:24:56 brb 08:25:12 -!- NimeshNeema [u2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kxtvkvrmgxohhrzi] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:26:02 benny` [~benny@i577A83F8.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 08:26:23 <[6502]> the technical visibility problem when compiling recursive function was a clear sign that something is dirty in this area 08:26:44 -!- benny` is now known as benny 08:28:19 (funcall foo ...) is not recursive 08:28:49 (funcall #'foo ...) would be 08:29:38 -!- jack_rabbit [~Jack_rabb@c-24-13-250-216.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:29:44 <[6502]> ezakimak: yes... like i said that is the only solution i can think to. I.e. defining foo as a trampoline ... and setting up the pointer to implementation later. Awkward at best 08:30:05 what, exactly, are you trying to do? a y-combinator? you can do that w/a lambda 08:30:19 and a helper wrapper 08:30:55 <[6502]> ezakimak: suppose you have a module and you want to export two functions A and B that are mutually recursive... how do you that in CL? 08:31:20 (export 'a 'b) 08:31:52 i'm assuming both a and b are defined in the same package 08:32:08 <[6502]> in which order do you define them in the package? 08:32:22 it doesn't matter, so long as they are both defined before you invoke them 08:32:40 <[6502]> and you just ignore warnings i suppose 08:32:53 you probably won't get a warning 08:33:29 n1tn4tsn0k [~nitnatsno@188.19.142.244] has joined #lisp 08:33:39 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 08:34:02 <[6502]> ezakimak: you mean compile-file delays warning about missing functions until the end of the package? 08:34:03 if you do, you may be able to supress it somehow 08:34:31 i just tried it at the repl and got a style-warning undefined function 08:34:37 it's a non-fatal error 08:35:14 <[6502]> i was wondering what is the "clean" CL way to do it 08:35:50 well, that is still the correct way to do it, simply (defun a () ... (b ...)) (defun b () ... (a ... )) 08:36:06 there might be a (declare ... ) syntax to surpress the warning 08:36:22 <[6502]> oh... ok. I'll investigate on it... thanks 08:36:29 -!- [6502] [58959a57@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.149.154.87] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:38:17 -!- BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-057-247.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:39:33 i've been hacking images in common lisp (currently using opticl), and notice that a more real-time display of my image buffer would help ... any ideas on the quickest route towards that end? 08:42:49 does (funcall (symbol-function 'foo) ...) compile clean? 08:43:06 for forward refs 08:43:26 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-181-27.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:45:17 -!- bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:47:03 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 08:50:10 tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 08:55:16 3.1.2.1.2 seems to be explicit about function calls allowing for forward refs: "If the operator is neither a 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bit generation script"? 12:58:47 i presume he means (random 2) 12:58:59 a function which when given an input seed will return either (true or false) or (0 or 1), however I'm looking for an answer with relatively equal distribution. 12:59:04 or something comparable. 12:59:04 wow. 12:59:24 Pseudomander: you are looking for a "function", not a "script" 12:59:56 Pseudomander: (random 2) gives you 0 or 1, equally distributed. The rest can be solved by using elt or aref. 13:00:14 Pseudomander: and why do you call it a "script"? 13:02:43 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.6.13] has joined #lisp 13:03:00 NimeshNeema [u2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcnfpygvjeudcckd] has joined #lisp 13:03:38 leo2007 [~leo@123.114.41.5] has joined #lisp 13:08:22 Matt_S_G [~Matt_S_G@gateway/tor-sasl/mattsg/x-78535695] has joined #lisp 13:12:51 hitecnologys [~noname@46.233.196.154] has joined #lisp 13:14:19 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-212.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:14:41 paddington [~andy@82-196-173-37.bb.systeamnat.se] has joined #lisp 13:15:17 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-160-73.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:15:31 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-argbxgcqbnuspysz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:16:46 hi 13:16:53 Hello 13:16:57 is there any good tutorial on bordeaux threads? 13:28:48 jonaskoelker [~jonas@d58c5bd2.rev.dansknet.dk] has joined #lisp 13:29:11 -!- antonv [5d7d3142@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:32:24 http://ryepup.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2010/11/21/coroutines-in-common-lisp-with-bordeaux-threads/ there sure is. 13:39:55 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:39:56 -!- tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:40:49 Can someone break down simply to me how to construct an array of bits, would I still append additional values with concatenate 13:42:42 -!- Phoodus [~foo@wsip-68-107-217-139.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:42:52 (make-array 32 :element-type 'bit :adjustable t :fill-pointer 0), and vector-push-extend. Arrays of bits also happen to be arrays. 13:43:55 Thank you very much! 13:45:04 (map-into (make-array 32 :element-type 'bit) (lambda () (random 2))) 13:45:32 -!- xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.195] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 13:45:45 from all the lisp-tips map-into that was like the most useful one.. by over 9000 13:46:02 xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.195] has joined #lisp 13:46:25 -!- pnq [~nick@AC814843.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:47:55 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 13:48:11 maxm-: glad to hear it 13:48:38 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:54:44 gigamonkey_ [~gigamonke@adsl-99-17-204-76.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:54:45 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-17-204-76.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:54:46 -!- gigamonkey_ is now known as gigamonkey 13:55:04 KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:55:16 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has joined #lisp 13:59:06 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-219-0-207.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:00:01 nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-219-0-207.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 14:02:21 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 14:03:43 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.94.38] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:04:08 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.94.38] has joined #lisp 14:05:39 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:09:19 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:12:46 leo2007: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/3d2204dd1ff43b75 14:13:28 -!- lain_ [~lain@e178075012.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:14:12 pjb: thanks 14:15:12 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 14:16:02 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 14:16:20 pjb: can symbol-value detect it too? 14:19:51 ccomendant [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/ccomendant] has joined #lisp 14:20:46 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 14:21:45 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@c-107-3-142-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 14:22:10 -!- treyka [~treyka@85.234.199.185] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:22:55 saage [~saage@200.195.179.34] has joined #lisp 14:22:56 -!- saage [~saage@200.195.179.34] has quit [Changing host] 14:22:56 saage [~saage@unaffiliated/saage] has joined #lisp 14:23:04 dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 14:25:25 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 14:29:11 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 14:29:26 leo2007: it cannot. (flet ((f () (let ((x 42)) (eql x (symbol-value 'x))))) (let ((x 42)) (declare (special x)) (f))) --> T ; it should return NIL. 14:31:20 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:31:25 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@31.24.92.183] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:32:36 MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-157-192.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 14:33:07 m7w [~chatzilla@31.24.92.183] has joined #lisp 14:33:29 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-219-0-207.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:33:48 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:34:05 saage_ [~saage@200.195.179.34] has joined #lisp 14:35:38 pjb: thanks, I'll keep that note for later. 14:36:04 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-192-236.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:37:32 -!- paddington [~andy@82-196-173-37.bb.systeamnat.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:37:59 -!- saage [~saage@unaffiliated/saage] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:39:19 -!- wtetzner_ [~wtetzner@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:39:22 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:39:30 homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-192-236.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:39:57 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 14:40:41 bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 14:40:53 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@99-28-161-110.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:40:54 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:41:52 aloysius21 [~user@75-121-79-112.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #lisp 14:41:54 -!- bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has quit [Client Quit] 14:45:21 -!- dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:46:00 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:46:53 DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-113-159.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 14:47:59 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has joined #lisp 14:51:35 Is doing (let ((x (the fixnum ...))) as effective as doing (let ((x ...)) (declare (type fixnum x)) ? 14:52:01 It doesn't do the same thing. 14:52:15 In the fixnum, you're telling the compiler the initial value is a fixnum. 14:52:19 treyka [~treyka@85.234.199.185] has joined #lisp 14:52:27 In declare you're telling the compiler x will always be bound to a fixnum. 14:52:33 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@c-67-169-182-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:53:17 has anyone tried to make a lisp kernel yet? 14:53:29 common* lisp 14:53:46 theos: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1848029/why-not-port-linux-kernel-to-common-lisp 14:53:59 theos: (defpackage "KERNEL" (:use "CL") (:export "LAMBDA" "COND" "CONS" "CAR" "CDR" "NULL")) ; there, done. 14:54:16 naryl thanks. i read that :D thats the first result on google :S 14:54:19 theos: oh, you mean the OS. See Movitz, LispMachines, Genera, etc. 14:54:50 It's rather dumb asking a question such as "Has anyone tried " about a language that's 53 years old 14:56:38 pjb thats the irony and sad thing. its 53 years old and still no famous OS written in it. nothing as compared to linux OSs or even the linux kernel. or bsd etc 14:56:54 Lisp Machine and Genera are quite famous. 14:56:59 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 14:57:05 where can i buy lisp machines? 14:57:33 -!- SplinterofChaos [~splintero@cblmdm24-52-84-142.buckeyecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:57:37 nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-219-0-207.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 14:57:41 last time i asked that question, someone said "buy any intel machine" :s 14:57:42 theos: have you ever heard of "Caneton Marco Polo, sablé parmesan aux asperges"? Have you ever heard of "Big Mac"? 14:58:00 theos: you can find lisp machine on eBay, sometimes. 14:58:04 pjb i heard of big mac yes 14:58:08 People who have them keep them. 14:58:35 Same as Apple computer: the second hand for Apple computer is much much smaller than for other computers, because people just don't sell them. 14:58:59 i mean not ancient lisp machines :D something that is currently maintained 14:59:21 theos: so you heard of Big Mac, which is shit, but not of some plate from La Tour d'Argent. That's why you've heard of MS-Windows and Linux, but not of Genera. 14:59:48 theos: this is irrelevant. If you have the money to buy it, it is maintained. 15:00:08 "Caneton Marco Polo, sablé parmesan aux asperges" is not made every day! 15:00:10 Duh! 15:02:04 any amd64 machine should do. 15:02:45 pjb dont take my questions personally. i aint against no lisp. i am just clearing the doubts in my mind. a bugatti veyron isnt made every day. but its made on order. if i could get a lisp machine made on order, i would buy it. dont want dust eating old machines. bah! 15:02:50 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:03:21 daem0n [~yaargh@host-89-241-98-140.as13285.net] has joined #lisp 15:03:25 -!- aloysius21 [~user@75-121-79-112.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:29 -!- daem0n [~yaargh@host-89-241-98-140.as13285.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:03:29 daem0n [~yaargh@unaffiliated/mryaargh] has joined #lisp 15:03:51 Modius: on SBCL, depends on whether there are assignments to X. There might be some cases when constraint propagation is aborted very early and the declaration would be more effective, but that should only happen very rarely. 15:04:14 pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 15:04:26 theos: Genera is sold. You can buy it. 15:05:22 theos: http://www.symbolics-dks.com/index.htm 15:05:38 -!- xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:06:48 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:07:24 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 15:09:15 pjb thanks. new versions of genera look are commercial. any open source OS in common lisp? 15:09:46 I told you! 15:09:47 Movitz 15:10:10 There are so many lisp OS you can't even get the full list when it's told to you. 15:10:18 i have movitz :D thanks. 15:10:51 pjb you may just give the link to that list :D 15:11:11 Use google. 15:11:49 SplinterofChaos [~splintero@cblmdm24-52-84-142.buckeyecom.net] has joined #lisp 15:12:25 (you talk like stallman. just saying) 15:12:44 I don't have his beard. 15:12:53 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:12:55 (if you need to make the difference). 15:13:01 thats a relief! 15:13:09 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OS! 15:23:07 my mistake :) 15:23:13 there was some writings about a CLOS 15:23:14 i want to! 15:23:31 it was just someones musing though iirc 15:23:47 Guthur typing movitz and clicking on im lucky gets me here "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnaeImQ0TSg" 15:23:49 :D 15:24:50 the desired link is the 6th link on the page >.> 15:25:13 google failed 15:25:23 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 15:26:17 sometimes i find what i want and the files dont exist anymore :) 15:26:19 maybe raise it as a bug 15:26:20 hehe 15:26:24 :D 15:30:38 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:31:01 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:32:00 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:32:58 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.114.41.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:33:45 karswell 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initially followed bunch of lisp related pages and ppl 15:56:59 and then "personal result" for every page had xach's face plastered on top 15:57:10 hehe 15:57:19 now disappeared since I added more ppl, it was a big incentive actually :-) 15:57:22 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:57:27 pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 15:57:59 s/for every page/for every google search/ 15:58:06 maxm-: do you like g+ 15:58:49 it seems pretty good once you add more ppl, and started to replace my reddit habit, which I quit cold turkey via /etc/hosts block 15:59:39 adding ppl is very hit and miss, you need to have someone share a circle with you, then trim out ppl who post crap, or move them into cicles set to "no posts" in default stream 16:00:06 -!- dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 16:00:07 shizzy0 [~user@c-24-91-161-73.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:00:24 dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 16:00:53 slyrus [~chatzilla@99-28-161-110.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:01:42 I can't see me signing up anytime soon, I only got a twitter account a couple of days ago 16:01:53 twitter has tons more spam 16:02:31 I felt i needed to get it, the local hackerspace were posting organisational stuff on it 16:02:37 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 16:03:02 the height of my social networking is IRC 16:03:15 *maxm-* is not very involved locally, I may go to LispNYC when they have meeting about something that interests me 16:04:12 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:04:23 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:05:05 There really hasn't been anything local up until about 1 month ago, now there is a hackerspace and fablab 16:05:25 I'm really only interested in getting access to a 3D printer and laser cutter 16:05:39 done a little CL advocacy at the hackerspace though, hehe 16:12:26 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:13:59 Pseudomander: thanks for the tutorial 16:14:10 -!- shizzy0 [~user@c-24-91-161-73.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has left #lisp 16:16:04 -!- sporous [~sporous@antispammeta/bot/irssi/sporous] has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:16:17 sporous [~sporous@antispammeta/bot/irssi/sporous] has joined #lisp 16:18:30 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-219-0-207.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:19:45 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:19:57 pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 16:20:19 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:22:52 attila_lendvai 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I've been meaning to start going. 16:29:46 sellout: any fablab? 16:30:01 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 16:30:26 if you are looking to do some fabrications they seem to be great places, the hackerspace, here anyway, has a software slant to it 16:31:02 unfortunately there seems to be much beer drinking which is not something I like to be around 16:31:27 Guthur: You know, I hadn't even heard that term before. But that looks like something I would be more interested in. The hackerspaces have 3D printers, but the CNC and circuit board stuff I don't know about. 16:32:52 -!- metaphysician [~matrix@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:32:55 -!- hitecnologys [~noname@46.233.196.154] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:32:59 Guthur: Where are you? I think if you don't like being around beer, it would be hard to go anywhere near here (Boulder, CO). 16:34:17 Hunh, it looks like no Fab Labs in Colorado  seems odd. I would have thought at least http://www.sparkfun.com/ would have one 16:34:41 angavrilov_ [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 16:34:48 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:35:03 lebro [~xmike@ool-18bab4b8.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 16:35:50 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:36:10 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 16:36:10 sellout: the fablabs, the successful ones, tend to be more community oriented 16:36:35 Guthur: In comparison to what? Hackerspaces? 16:36:38 when a big company/institution gets in control things can break down 16:37:06 sellout: no just in relation to sparkfun 16:37:09 Guthur: Oh, but Sparkfun is sort of the center of the Boulder hardware community. 16:37:21 They are pretty cool guys. 16:37:33 arrdem [~arrdem@pool-96-240-10-23.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:37:37 metaphysician [~matrix@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 16:37:38 sweet, I'm in Belfast 16:38:02 so yeah there is beer around I just try to avoid being near people consuming alcohol 16:38:10 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38:26 I mean, their business model is basically "buy bulk quantities of stuff (since that's generally all you can get from a manufacturer) and sell the individual pieces so hobbyists can play with it." 16:38:42 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:38:48 sellout: maybe you could champion a Fablab 16:39:01 contact the MIT guys 16:39:05 So you don't need to figure out what you're going to do with the other 999 ICs you had to get. 16:39:28 I'm not sure what is involve in setting it up, maybe getting sparkfun involved could give a head start 16:39:34 That would be cool. But I think I am out of free time. Have trouble even getting around to mowing the lawn now that I have a newborn. 16:39:51 But I shall talk about it at the next Boulder is for Robots meetup. 16:39:55 kk, yeah family is priority 16:40:16 hope you get some positive feedback 16:40:34 need out now, later 16:43:00 -!- ccomendant [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/ccomendant] has left #lisp 16:44:55 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:45:16 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has joined #lisp 16:50:59 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-17-204-76.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:51:20 ngz` [~user@233.41.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 16:53:44 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-179-47-169.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:54:05 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 16:54:15 jack_rabbit [~Jack_rabb@c-24-13-250-216.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:54:44 -!- ngz [~user@63.82.199.77.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:58:18 how do i pass a function in a lambda list ? 16:58:28 say i want to call later any function say sin 16:58:51 and i have (defun blah-blah-blah (f a b)......) 16:59:02 homie: with the FUNCTION special operator. 16:59:15 yes yes i did that with #'sin 16:59:16 eg. 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[~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 18:46:36 pbj: http://paste.lisp.org/+2S1O 18:47:26 I see no funcall there. 18:47:57 even with funcalls it tells me common-lisp::f is undefined..... 18:48:25 I also see tha tyou don't use emacs to indent you code 18:48:42 i use emacs 18:50:41 oh 18:50:43 it worked 18:51:15 i was using funcall #'f a b 18:51:22 now i did just use funcall f ab 18:51:37 err funcall f a b in my code and it worked 18:51:42 hmmmm 18:52:45 pjb: http://paste.lisp.org/+2S1O/1 this one works 18:53:21 Good. 18:53:44 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@94.202.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 18:54:45 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:54:47 have to think about what the difference between funcall #'f a b and funcall f a b is now....... 18:55:15 so in the first case it thinks it's a function in the function-namespace of common-lisp.... 18:55:23 Yes. 18:55:26 clhs function 18:55:26 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/a_fn.htm 19:02:29 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:04:33 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:06:12 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@94.202.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 19:06:40 stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 19:08:44 oh yes, doug mentioned it too, the sharp-quote thing is for referring to the function-namespace.... 19:08:53 bleh 19:09:13 and i thought i would have to use that anyway...... 19:11:24 -!- metaphysician [~matrix@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Quit: bye] 19:12:45 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:17:42 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@86.42.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:19:10 ngz` [~user@233.41.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 19:19:48 -!- jack_rabbit 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How do I get a threads implementation? 21:24:48 EyesIsMine [~Eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has joined #lisp 21:24:56 you use a Lisp that supports threads, like ccl or sbcl. 21:25:11 Ahh. 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23:54:29 -!- Guthur [~user@212.183.128.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:55:23 b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@178.77.12.183] has joined #lisp 23:55:28 yates [~user@nc-71-48-9-61.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 23:55:40 i find this statement in PCL extremely confusing: "All values in Common Lisp are, conceptually at least, references to objects." 23:56:45 what is the value of "a reference to an object"? 23:56:58 "what is the value of a value"? 23:57:07 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:57:28 what is meant by "value"? 23:57:54 i know what it _typically_ means in other languages, but lisp seems to be different... 23:58:00 nope. 23:59:13 well, in other languages such as C, "references" are implemented as pointers. so the "value" of a variable that is a pointer is a number 23:59:34 C doesn't have references. 23:59:47 what is meant by references?