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I use debian, so should I find a ppa? or what? 00:50:08 build it from source 00:50:39 or grab a binary, if you don't want to build 00:51:20 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl5-182-72.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 00:51:59 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:52:22 stassats: thank you for your help 00:54:22 -!- edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:57:52 -!- nydel [~nydel@wsip-70-166-32-108.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:59:34 -!- vervic [~vervic@vie-188-118-255-030.dsl.sil.at] has quit [Quit: vervic] 01:00:45 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:04:02 looks like it installed okay, but what does this mean?: https://gist.github.com/2728441 01:04:16 nothing important 01:05:54 . 01:07:46 neoesque [~neoesque@140.109.127.21] has joined #lisp 01:08:21 wtetzner [~wtetzner@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:09:30 -!- wtetzner [~wtetzner@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:09:31 wtetzner_ [~wtetzner@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:09:42 -!- wtetzner_ is now known as wtetzner 01:10:36 araujo [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has joined #lisp 01:10:36 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has quit [Changing host] 01:10:37 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 01:19:17 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:21:28 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-103-161.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:21:42 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA31A99.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:24:31 homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-192-142.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 01:28:24 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-012.vpn.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:33:14 dekuked` [~user@pool-108-20-217-59.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:33:45 edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 01:35:29 -!- dekuked [~user@pool-108-20-217-59.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:35:42 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-50-252.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 01:37:15 codelurker [~codelurke@c-65-96-208-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:42:09 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl5-182-72.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 01:45:20 -!- bieber [~quassel@97.97.75.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:45:32 z1l0g [~jgw@216.99.214.24] has joined #lisp 01:46:27 xyxu [~Adium@180.157.5.32] has joined #lisp 01:49:30 -!- codelurker [~codelurke@c-65-96-208-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 01:50:50 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:51:28 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 01:51:57 why doesn't this work? (setf commands '(+ - * /)) (defun asmd (x y) ((pop commands) x y)) 01:52:26 because CL doesn't evaluate the first place of a list 01:52:28 when evaluating 01:52:30 bieber [~quassel@97.97.75.169] has joined #lisp 01:52:41 try (defun asmd (x y) (funcall (pop commands) x y)) 01:53:03 ah, ok. makes sense 01:54:36 thanks! 01:56:21 tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has joined #lisp 02:04:19 mensch [~mensch@c-67-189-240-148.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:04:38 Fare [~Fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 02:12:09 -!- Fare [~Fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:13:47 -!- guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: guyal] 02:15:27 _nix00 [~Adium@219.82.66.81] has joined #lisp 02:21:04 springz [~springz@101.68.91.6] has joined #lisp 02:23:32 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@xdsl-77-86-196-131.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:24:53 jleija [~jleija@50.8.10.126] has joined #lisp 02:26:35 zophy [~zophy__@24.220.134.76] has joined #lisp 02:27:49 -!- _nix00 [~Adium@219.82.66.81] has left #lisp 02:30:54 peterhil [~peterhil@xdsl-77-86-196-131.nebulazone.fi] has joined #lisp 02:41:53 -!- harish [~harish@119.234.183.0] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:44:21 -!- dekuked` [~user@pool-108-20-217-59.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:49:51 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@140.109.127.21] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 02:56:39 wolkefm [~wolkefm@129.137.194.196] has joined #lisp 02:57:03 shizzy0 [~user@c-24-91-161-73.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:57:32 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 03:00:37 Yuuhi``` [benni@p5483BC1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 03:02:44 -!- Yuuhi`` [benni@p5483A8F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:02:50 neoesque [~neoesque@140.109.127.21] has joined #lisp 03:06:05 Kron_ [~Kron@2.49.96.76] has joined #lisp 03:09:03 chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-25-97.lns2.dea.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 03:09:22 wztian [~quassel@125.33.79.189] has joined #lisp 03:11:45 teddy_y [4730093d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.48.9.61] has joined #lisp 03:11:54 is wxcl still maintained? 03:12:53 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:13:13 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@181.132.179.139] has joined #lisp 03:13:21 probably not. 03:13:23 This documentation was generated 25 May 2006 from the original sources by Albert v.0.4.9. 03:13:29 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@181.132.179.139] has quit [Changing host] 03:13:29 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has joined #lisp 03:14:19 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:15:09 teddy_y: lisp is 53 years old. A software can be maintained only after it reaches version 1.0. 03:15:36 and only when the programmer is not at the loo! 03:15:41 -!- dsabanin [~dsabanin@195.208.164.212] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:15:49 -!- zophy [~zophy__@24.220.134.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:16:21 teddy_y: furthermore, this is freedom software: YOU have the freedom to maintain it any second you like! 03:17:57 http://www.wxcl-project.org/ 03:19:41 -!- wtetzner [~wtetzner@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:20:13 teggi [~teggi@113.172.40.96] has joined #lisp 03:22:35 -!- springz [~springz@101.68.91.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:23:51 what do I need for this to rtn T? (functionp (car '(+ - *))) 03:24:22 z1l0g: read clhs. 03:24:31 functionp returns a generalized boolean, not t. 03:24:38 rtn? would you like to buy a vowel? 03:24:42 If you want nil or t from a generalized boolean, you can use (not (not )) 03:25:11 + is a symbol, not a function, therefore (functionp '+) --> NIL. 03:25:15 heh, sorry, trying to grep CL way of doing things; thought it was normal predicate 03:25:41 Siphonblast [~Siphonbla@c-98-210-95-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:25:48 (symbol-function '+) may return a function. 03:26:01 It is a normal predicate. 03:26:08 trying to create test for elements _not_ a math operator 03:26:09 Normally predicates return generalized booleans. 03:26:23 functions are not math operators. 03:26:40 (defvar *math-operators* '(+ - *)) (member '+ *math-operators*) 03:26:46 teddy_y: according to Google translate http://www.wxcl-project.org/ is about pediatrics (medical doctor for children), has nothing to do with http://sourceforge.net/projects/wxcl/ 03:27:51 ic, need to create a custom set. ty 03:28:29 You could take shortcuts but you'd have to be careful. 03:30:39 sacho_ [~sacho@95-42-67-174.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 03:31:36 guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:33:37 saschakb` [~skbierm@p4FEA0E95.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 03:35:05 -!- saschakb [~skbierm@p4FEA0DC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:35:10 wtetzner [~wtetzner@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:35:11 springz [~springz@124.160.188.140] has joined #lisp 03:37:40 -!- wolkefm [~wolkefm@129.137.194.196] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:42:14 tritchey [~tritchey@76-220-32-249.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:47:02 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@76-220-32-249.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:47:41 -!- saschakb` [~skbierm@p4FEA0E95.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:50:02 good morning. 03:51:16 Early bird! 03:51:38 -!- wztian [~quassel@125.33.79.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:51:40 Yup! I woke up at 05:30, competition anxiety. (Heading off in an hour) 03:51:41 What's up here? 03:52:13 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 03:52:33 hacking, lotta hacking 03:52:48 why are you hacking Lotta? 03:53:36 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:53:45 Sorry. What are you hacking on? 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[~flavoie@bas1-montreal48-1176432531.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl] 06:45:34 good morning 06:45:37 -!- ebw` is now known as ebw 06:45:38 -!- Phoodus [~foo@wsip-68-107-217-139.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:45:40 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:46:02 o/ 06:50:57 Reading up on conditions, restarts and error handling: Why did they choose not to use standard-object as a superclass on conditions? 06:51:30 -!- pnathan [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:52:17 _nix00 [~Adium@58.101.228.48] has joined #lisp 06:52:37 -!- _nix00 [~Adium@58.101.228.48] has left #lisp 06:53:52 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 06:54:56 Siphonblast [~Siphonbla@c-98-210-95-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:56:50 bieber [~quassel@97.97.75.169] has joined #lisp 06:56:59 has anyone implemented a regexp-based version of hunchentoot's define-easy-handler? i'm looking for something that would figure out the lambda list from the uri regexp 06:57:49 chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-25-97.lns2.dea.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 06:57:50 i'd be content with being able to define uris like "/foo/ guaqua: hi, take a loot to restas. 07:56:09 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.163.235] has joined #lisp 07:57:12 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-184-138.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 08:03:19 asvil: looks nice 08:03:22 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:03:23 ebw: read again. 08:05:47 m7w [~chatzilla@31.24.92.12] has joined #lisp 08:06:13 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-103-161.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:06:40 asvil: it does something i was looking for :/ 08:06:46 ebw: an implementation can perfectly well use standard-class as metaclass of condition. Actually, it's the case in all the implementations on my system. Try: clall -r '(class-of (find-class (quote condition)))' 08:08:08 guaqua: yes) 08:08:56 asvil: mostly i was looking for a short way to implement what django's urls do 08:09:12 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-93-69.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 08:09:48 restas does that, but it does something more aswell 08:10:06 moah [~moah@dslb-188-109-144-218.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 08:10:36 -!- kvsari [~kvsari@119-173-226-90.rev.home.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:10:54 any suggestions on a simple way to parse 2-character hex numbers from a string (such as "#ab32c8")? 08:11:02 ebw: and clall -r '(typep (make-condition (quote condition)) (quote standard-object))' returns T for 2/3 of the implementations. 08:11:22 robot-beethoven: parse-integer. Why? 08:11:46 robot-beethoven: do you have a reading disability? 08:12:21 pjb: no, I thought I remembered a function such as parse-integer, but couldn't recall the name 08:12:46 was reading through all the 'read' varieties 08:13:45 -!- mel0on [~user@h-91-136.a146.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 08:14:00 robot-beethoven: you don't need to remember the names. Just consult the dictionaries: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/c_number.htm or http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/c_string.htm ; it must be amongst one or the others. 08:14:56 also: (apropos "INTEGER" "CL") (apropos "NUMBER" "CL") (apropos "PARSE" "CL") (apropos "READ" "CL") 08:17:27 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-212.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:19:14 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 08:21:50 *robot-beethoven* didn't know there was apropos! 08:28:04 -!- Ralith [~ralith@63.64.64.178] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:28:34 Ralith [~ralith@63.64.64.178] has joined #lisp 08:30:53 pjb: Ok, but that is implementation defined (according to pcl). 08:31:34 pjb: but I think it doesn't matter, I was simply surprised 08:32:17 Kwucks [cbdb88d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.219.136.216] has joined #lisp 08:34:36 -!- jjkola_work [c064748e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.116.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:38:23 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:45:06 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-016.vpn.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 08:48:23 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Bacteria] 08:48:27 mel0on [~user@h-91-136.a146.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 08:49:02 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 08:56:17 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129043034.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 08:56:23 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.23.123.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:00:14 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-8-156-221.as43234.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:00:36 MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-8-238-159.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 09:05:35 Fare [~Fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 09:09:53 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 09:10:04 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Bacteria] 09:13:52 benny` [~benny@i577A1D84.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 09:14:04 -!- benny` is now known as benny 09:16:15 nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-219-130-105.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 09:16:19 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-8-238-159.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: brb] 09:16:34 MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-238-159.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 09:19:32 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:22:30 egnarts-ms [~smsmfk@35-158-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 09:23:50 Hussaind [~hussain@115.124.115.71] has joined #lisp 09:24:04 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 09:24:30 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 09:25:38 -!- Hussaind [~hussain@115.124.115.71] has left #lisp 09:26:11 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 09:31:09 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-212.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:31:28 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 09:31:48 kilon_alios [~kilon@188.4.9.123.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr] has joined #lisp 09:31:48 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-212.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:33:08 -!- kilon [~kilon@77.49.254.50.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:34:56 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0CC3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 09:37:42 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 09:38:10 yakov [~yakov@77.72.122.210] has joined #lisp 09:38:49 wolkefm [~wolkefm@129.137.194.196] has joined #lisp 09:38:55 http://pastebin.com/hMDCjwbE 09:39:50 I'm working in elisp and my switch statement keeps defaulting to the otherwise, I'm not entirely sure as to why. Anyone have some insight? 09:40:24 wolkefm: elisp is on #emacs. 09:40:30 sorry 09:40:47 Also, use http://paste.lisp.org/new 09:41:01 wolkefm: case use eql. 09:41:27 wolkefm: So unless userInput is bound to the very same string that's in the source of the case form, it won't match. 09:42:51 You could do: (let* ((form (defun  (case  ("0" )))) (string (first (third (seventh form))))) (eval form) (evalResponse string)) ; but if you get a string with buffer-substring there's no way it could be eql to a string in the source form. 09:43:18 And even, what I propose here would not work after compiling to a file and loading the compiled file 09:44:09 I could create my own case macro that uses a diffrent equality function correct? 09:44:24 errr. function - not macro 09:44:49 Yes. Or you could (case (parse-integer str) (0 ) (1 ) ) 09:45:25 ahhh. That is far more simplistic. 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11:22:15 Radium_ [~rajesh.na@117.203.2.165] has joined #lisp 11:22:23 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-67-249-228-147.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 11:23:02 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 11:24:34 Howdy 11:28:13 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-212.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:34:01 -!- chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-25-97.lns2.dea.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:39:08 -!- metaphysician [~matrix@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:43:44 -!- ignas__ is now known as ignas 11:46:56 man I just spent hours debugging an extra weird resize event, that seemed to come randomly, and jiggle my window a bit when mouse first enters it 11:46:56 Sorry, I couldn't find anything for I just spent hours debugging an extra weird resize event, that seemed to come randomly, and jiggle my window a bit when mouse first enters it. 11:47:07 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA22C9B.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:47:49 -!- rognv [~point9@180.191.36.61] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:48:27 -!- benny [~benny@i577A1D84.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:37 man it's like, man, be careful with what you say, man! 11:48:38 Sorry, I couldn't find anything for it's like, man, be careful with what you say, man!. 11:48:39 finally noticed, its because I have a crosshairs, and the label on top, with initial text of "", so when it first displays text, rest of the window is resized by 10 pixels.. But if window was created with mouse already in the area (to be occupied by window), crosshairs update the label before rest of teh window 11:48:48 so there is no extra resize 11:49:00 pnq [~nick@ACA22C9B.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 11:49:11 snearch [~snearch@f053001143.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 11:49:20 *maxm-* hates it when an obvious thing took such a large chunk of debugging time 11:51:08 chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-25-97.lns2.dea.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 11:55:36 -!- Siphonblast [~Siphonbla@c-98-210-95-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:55:56 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:57:25 MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-224-123.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 11:59:47 acieroid` [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has joined #lisp 11:59:59 -!- acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:00:52 -!- kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:05:20 Does anybody know any good networking framework for lisp? 12:06:21 some people swear by iolib 12:06:23 you'll probably find at least 5 competing implementations, some of them good.. iolib usocket whatever thing sykopomp uses 12:07:10 cl-ev for libevent too 12:08:07 -!- Radium_ [~rajesh.na@117.203.2.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:08:31 -!- acieroid` is now known as acieroid 12:10:21 apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:12:10 Thanks. iolib seems to be good. 12:13:29 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA22C9B.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:14:08 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:17:33 pnq [~nick@ACA22C9B.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 12:20:39 Flatlander [5b9bd29f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.155.210.159] has joined #lisp 12:20:57 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-224-123.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:23:20 -!- guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: guyal] 12:27:08 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA22C9B.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:27:23 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 12:30:17 pnq [~nick@ACA22C9B.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 12:41:04 Radium [~rajesh.na@117.203.6.81] has joined #lisp 12:41:35 jacius [~jacius@c-24-13-89-230.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:42:01 MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-122-131.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 12:45:00 -!- nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-244-33.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:45:46 nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-244-33.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 12:46:42 MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-2-120-54.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 12:46:54 leo2007 [~leo@123.123.252.85] has joined #lisp 12:49:29 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-122-131.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:52:14 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-153-3.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:53:06 rdd [~rdd@c83-250-153-3.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 12:54:46 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59:18 n1nt4tsn0k|1 [~nitnatsno@178.47.227.220] has joined #lisp 12:59:38 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA22C9B.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:01:57 -!- n1tn4tsn0k [~nitnatsno@178.47.227.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:02:42 pnq [~nick@ACA22C9B.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 13:03:22 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@c-67-169-182-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:05:10 hi 13:05:20 please I need a good tutorial on mod_lisp :) 13:07:25 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.87.31] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:44 lemoinem [~swoog@124-91-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has joined #lisp 13:07:45 KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:10:24 I'm trying to render some fonts with cl-vectors and zpb-ttf but the results are a bit blurry. Anybody have any idea how hard it would be to get hinting working with it? 13:12:01 rendering at very small size? 13:13:13 bruno_coelho [~bruno_coe@177.133.122.82] has joined #lisp 13:13:18 Something under 18 points I'd think 13:14:29 I don't remember the size, but the text on the screenshot on the project homepage use zpb-ttf too: http://projects.tuxee.net/cl-vectors/ 13:14:50 and it's not too blury 13:15:54 I guess it's a matter of taste but IMHO the edges are a bit too blurry 13:17:43 -!- nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-244-33.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: quit] 13:18:34 When you look at the "Round cap" in that screenshot, for example, the "R" is clearly too blurred while the "cap" looks very thin compared to it 13:21:24 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA22C9B.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:21:27 Flatlander: Nice, the patents expired two years ago! It looks like you'd have to implement a VM for TrueType; iirc, the thing is an ugly mess (: 13:22:01 I need help to build dynamic websites using hunchentoot, is there any good tutorial? I'm reading http://newartisans.com/2007/11/running-common-lisp-behind-apache/ 13:22:38 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-50-252.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:22:44 oh well, I guess I'll have to use freetype for the text rendering. I'd really like to stick to plain CL libraries though. 13:23:13 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 13:23:58 Posterdati: why involve Apache? 13:24:19 Flatlander: It's not too hard to do, I just haven't done it. Go for it! 13:24:52 -!- bruno_coelho [~bruno_coe@177.133.122.82] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:25:03 bruno_coelho [~bruno_coe@177.133.122.82] has joined #lisp 13:25:07 loke: I've got no experience in that field, I know that hunchentoot could act like apache, ok no problem... I need only some hints 13:25:37 loke: hunchentoot will be better for me 13:25:50 I love hunchentoot 13:26:05 the italian gavino 13:26:09 It's very easy to put together very powerful frameworks 13:26:33 Posterdati: You can have a look at my Docbrowser project for an example of how Hunchentoot can be used in ajax applications. 13:26:43 loke: thanks 13:26:48 For the AJAX stuff, especially look at the search.lisp 13:27:07 Xach: I'm kinda busy with other stuff. 13:27:09 http://code.google.com/p/docbrowser/source/checkout 13:27:26 loke I don't want to use java, javascript or macromedia flash 13:27:48 I really wish someone good at this kind of stuff would put up a kickstarter or something, I'd surely sponsor it... 13:27:49 Posterdati: well, then don't look at search.lisp, but rather server.lisp and docbrowser.lisp 13:28:37 loke: it is possible to build animations? 13:28:44 Posterdati: animations? 13:28:46 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 13:28:57 Posterdati: On the client side? Normally, you'd use HTML/CSS/JS for that 13:29:11 loke: yes like animated effects and so on 13:29:22 Everyone's busy with something. 13:29:25 loke: yes generating javascript code from server 13:29:27 Posterdati: That is orthogonal to the choice of server-side technology 13:29:35 Posterdati: that's a bad idea in the long run 13:29:42 loke: so what? 13:29:56 -!- Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has quit [Quit: weil das Wetter so schön ist] 13:30:00 Xach: ? 13:30:14 Posterdati: The only somewhat stable solutions that are not impossible to debug would be Coffescript or Dart. 13:30:32 Or GWT, but you didn't want Java 13:31:03 loke: I'd like to use only Lisp if possible 13:31:32 Posterdati: Don't. There is no decent solution for that on the client side. 13:31:46 ok 13:31:48 And no, parenscript is not a decent solution 13:32:21 loke: but I can still use Lisp to modify page contents and do databases houskeeping 13:32:36 Xach: since you have been doing a lot of that kind of stuff, what's the state of image loading libraries in lisp? 13:32:42 Posterdati: of course. all that is server side. That's Lisp. Look at how I do it in Docbrowser 13:33:09 Posterdati: I built myself a template language that compiles a template into Lisp. 13:33:19 (the code for that one is in parser.lisp) 13:33:34 loke: and how to perform client-side animations? 13:33:37 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 13:33:45 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 13:33:48 Basically, you got a template like this: http://code.google.com/p/docbrowser/source/browse/src/template/show_package.tmpl 13:34:00 And you feed it a Lisp alist with the data 13:34:22 Flatlander: I haven't been doing it, actually. I mostly generate images, not consume them. but Opticl seems promising. 13:35:29 hagish_ [~hagish@p5DCBE649.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:35:56 Xach: that was my choice too. But it seems to rely on a bunch of other libraries for the image loading part, some of which are unmaintained, rely on foreign libraries or just buggy 13:37:31 xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.195] has joined #lisp 13:38:37 The way for it to get better is to make it better. 13:39:24 loke: I saw show_package.tmpl 13:39:30 yep 13:39:51 loke: is it possible to modify it using Lisp to achieve a movin background page, for example? 13:40:39 Posterdati: the question itself sounds weird to me. Either I totally misunderstand your question, or you have misunderstood what a html template does. 13:41:11 Animations run on the client (i.e. in the browser). There is no Lisp running in the browser. 13:41:23 loke: you use this template to generate html pages I guess 13:41:51 Posterdati: Well yes. (although the template language can generate any text output, not just html) 13:41:51 loke: yes, but I've to generate the javascript to do animations on client side 13:42:34 Posterdati: well, if you really want to do that, you'd be able to feed the javascript from a hunhcnetoot handler that generates the javascript from Lisp using the Parenscript library 13:42:44 loke: yes 13:42:45 It's a mess to debug, but it's there if you want it. 13:42:59 loke: I need that kind of feature 13:43:27 Posterdati: well, that would be two lines of code 13:43:40 loke: the question is, do I need javascript to do animations on the client-side? 13:43:44 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-2-120-54.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:43:50 Posterdati: well, yes and no 13:44:09 Posterdati: there are certain animations you can do using CSS alone 13:44:10 loke: I mean as non commercial solution 13:44:12 gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:44:50 anything more advanced than that needs Javascript. However, there are plenty of libraries (JQuery in particular) that has lots of animation primitives built in 13:45:07 That allows you to do animations with a minimum of Javascript 13:45:33 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl5-182-72.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 13:45:34 loke: thanks 13:45:47 Xach, well, I haven't done that kind of stuff before. How big project would a CL library that reliably handles a handful of the most common image formats be? 13:46:22 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl5-182-72.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Client Quit] 13:46:32 -!- Radium [~rajesh.na@117.203.6.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:46:43 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-175-228.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:48:10 there is already a bunch of related projects around, some handle loading specific formats, some just saving a one and so. So part of the work is already done 13:48:17 kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-67-249-228-147.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:48:33 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:53:38 frito [~androirc@cpc27-sotn9-2-0-cust25.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 13:55:49 Flatlander: which are unmaintained/buggy? 13:56:27 cl-jpeg for jpegs, retrospectiff for tiffs and zpng/png-read for png 13:56:33 at least png-read fails on ECL and CLisp. Probably TCO related 13:56:36 are all supposed to work 13:57:11 in answer to your question, I think it would be about as big of a project as opticl 13:57:44 sorry to hear there are png-read bugs in certain platforms, but getting the png-read maintainers to accept a patch shouldn't be that hard 13:58:39 I quite like png-read so I'm going to have a look at it 13:58:48 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 14:01:30 I'm pretty sure ramarren would be receptive to ecl/clisp-related patches 14:01:52 let me know if you have any clisp/ecl opticl problems that aren't down in png-read 14:03:41 MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-139-234.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 14:03:50 -!- xyxu [~Adium@180.157.5.32] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:03:53 inkjetunit [~iju202@unaffiliated/inkjetunit] has joined #lisp 14:04:29 wztian_ [~quassel@125.33.79.189] has joined #lisp 14:05:07 aww, crap. png-read works beatifully with SBCL but now my own compositing operations are acting up 14:05:21 sea4ever [~user@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has joined #lisp 14:05:49 My lisp interpreter is /almost/ ready to be 'complete'! (Yes, I'm the same guy from a few months ago) 14:06:16 something funky going on with alpha channels after loading png's it seems... 14:07:51 huangjs [~huangjs@190.8.100.83] has joined #lisp 14:10:46 phweh, I was just messing up the scaling on the opengl side of things 14:10:59 dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 14:13:05 slyrus: you asked about things opticl should do -- reading and writing various formats is actually one 14:14:14 because having a bunch of libraries, each for a single format, gets old fast -- and then you need to figure out what shape the data comes and goes 14:16:26 FWIW I fully agree 14:17:35 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl5-182-72.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 14:20:15 -!- chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-25-97.lns2.dea.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:21:37 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:21:54 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 14:23:03 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24:00 tritchey [~tritchey@ip-64-134-226-126.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 14:24:48 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 14:24:51 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@ip-64-134-226-126.public.wayport.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:25:06 tritchey [~tritchey@ip-64-134-226-126.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 14:27:50 -!- nikodemus` [~nikodemus@178-55-142-42.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:27:58 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:28:04 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl5-182-72.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 14:28:34 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 14:28:41 -!- frito [~androirc@cpc27-sotn9-2-0-cust25.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:29:21 I don't believe opticl needs to do the heavy lifting 14:29:30 quicklisp makes it possible to split the work up reasonably 14:29:35 Mazingaro [~Tetsuja@host85-230-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 14:29:51 but, yes, a unifying layer on top of those, which opticl does, to some degree, is a good thing 14:30:11 but I see nikodemus has gone to has bbq :( 14:32:53 Flatlander: i'm interested in more examples of opticl being used in gui apps. I've rigged up a toy opengl example and also spectacle, my clim image viewer. more would be good. 14:36:08 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-139-234.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:36:54 edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 14:37:33 I'm currently trying to build a good foundation for multimedia projects based on opengl/openal/cl-vectors and some of my own stuff, so I'm not yet using opticl for anything more advanced 14:37:38 -!- wztian_ [~quassel@125.33.79.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:37:59 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:40:04 after I get the basics working I'm going to add a gui toolkit to the thing, I could use opticl for some texture manipulation demos there 14:43:24 -!- saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0CC3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:44:27 -!- z1l0g [~jgw@216.99.214.24] has left #lisp 14:44:45 the problem is that to get the bitmaps smoothly to the gpu I needed yet another image format of my own (foreign ARGB8), so to use any of the CL libraries I either need to convert the data on the fly or modify the libraries 14:46:38 -!- n1nt4tsn0k|1 [~nitnatsno@178.47.227.220] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:48:25 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51:04 flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@187.105.3.184] has joined #lisp 14:51:21 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Quit: ] 14:53:25 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 14:55:43 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.163.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:55:45 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:57:12 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl5-182-72.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 14:57:45 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 14:58:29 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-175-228.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 15:00:05 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:00:30 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has joined #lisp 15:01:31 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:03:32 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 15:04:44 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-175-228.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:04:52 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:05:04 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 15:05:06 -!- xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:05:38 H4ns: hi. around? was the qitab project recently established? 15:08:54 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:09:23 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 15:11:03 pnathan [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has joined #lisp 15:11:21 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.95.236] has joined #lisp 15:12:04 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl5-182-72.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 15:13:10 H4ns: added 2 redirects (stderr to /dev/null) in the script which causes the daily qitab error to be sent by cron 15:13:31 n1tn4tsn0k [~nitnatsno@178.47.227.220] has joined #lisp 15:13:31 the mail should be silent again. 15:14:14 metaphysician [~matrix@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 15:16:10 slilo [~user@host-94-251-99-133.bbcustomer.zsttk.net] has joined #lisp 15:19:34 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@ip-64-134-226-126.public.wayport.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:20:10 lucasaiu [~user@gw.lipn.univ-paris13.fr] has joined #lisp 15:21:01 -!- lucasaiu [~user@gw.lipn.univ-paris13.fr] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:21:57 tritchey [~tritchey@ip-64-134-226-126.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 15:31:32 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 15:31:39 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:34:01 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:35:50 what would be the clean way to add a flag (-I /usr/local/include) to the list of arguments passed to gcc by the CFFI groveller ? 15:36:27 it seems the user isn't supposed to do this, I may be missing something 15:39:47 -!- fmu [UNKNOWN@unaffiliated/fmu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:40:58 Hi all. How can I set output of 'format' to string var? 15:41:23 slilo: (with-output-to-string (stream) (format stream "...")) 15:41:41 (with-output-to-string (out var) (format out "")) 15:41:44 fmu [UNKNOWN@unaffiliated/fmu] has joined #lisp 15:41:52 -!- tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:41:55 but your var better be a string with a fill-pointer and possibly adjustable 15:42:52 thank you 15:43:00 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-222-106.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 15:43:44 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:44:25 Radium [~rajesh.na@117.203.6.81] has joined #lisp 15:47:53 kvsari [~kvsari@119-173-226-31.rev.home.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:48:06 -!- sacho [~sacho@95-42-96-143.btc-net.bg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:48:26 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:50:06 slilo: if all you want to do is print to a string, using nil as a stream as in 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17:46:33 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@ip-64-134-226-126.public.wayport.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 17:48:58 -!- teggi [~teggi@113.172.40.96] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:51:50 ThomasH [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has joined #lisp 17:52:11 Greetings lispers 17:52:34 Morninig 17:53:27 -!- ykm [~ykm@182.237.186.22] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:59:19 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:00:45 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 18:01:12 ocharles_ [u411@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dtzijtphjrrhkzlg] has joined #lisp 18:02:21 This is strange. Using SLIME + SBCL, I get an error when I `(defun my-len (list) (if (null list) 0 (+ 1 (my-len (rest list)))))' and `(step (my-len '(3 2 1)))'. 18:02:38 what error? 18:02:47 Let's see. 18:02:54 ah, stepping 18:03:00 you can stop trying 18:03:05 Oh. 18:03:08 OK. 18:03:11 but if you want, declare debug to 3 18:03:24 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 18:09:14 Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has joined #lisp 18:09:17 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:09:29 regarding cl-jpeg, anybody know what the return value of decode-image is supposed to be. (values #(r g b ...) width height something) I assume? 18:09:33 stassats`: OK, I give up. How do I do that? 18:09:42 (declare (optimize debug)) 18:09:45 naturally 18:09:46 :^( 18:10:03 stassats`: Still error. 18:10:11 where did you put this? 18:10:16 (defun my-len (list) (declare (optimize debug))(if (null list) 0 (+ 1 (my-len (rest list))))) 18:10:53 works for me 18:11:25 SBCL 1.0.55 here. 18:11:46 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA2298E.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:11:53 well, stepping on sbcl is pointless, so you're not missing anything 18:11:59 hehe, OK. 18:13:27 pnq [~nick@ACA2298E.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 18:13:41 Why is stepping on sBCL pointless? 18:14:14 because sbcl optimizes too much 18:16:13 only way to do effective debugging on sbcl is a good logging library :-) 18:16:22 SeanTAllen [u4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgcwypxlbrtsvqhq] has joined #lisp 18:17:02 altho I had some success with doing (proclaim (notinline)) for every symbol in CL package 18:17:31 Or learn to read the backtrace. 18:17:33 then you can actually step through aref, +/- and see indexes and such.. But it breaks very easily on non-trivial functions with AVER's and such 18:17:48 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Quit: ] 18:18:13 or learn to see problems just by looking at the code 18:18:19 I think stepping on SBCL is still useful for the types of logic errors an inexperienced developer will encounter. 18:18:31 It's a good learning tool. 18:18:44 ThomasH: well thats assuming you end up knowing where the problem is, ie program crashes or gives type error. These are easy to handle.. What more hard is to debug a problem, where you don't quite know whats going on, other then program is not working right 18:18:44 ThomasH: does it work for you? 18:19:12 stassats`: You bet! 18:19:45 maxm-: that's what TRACE is for 18:21:11 -!- Flatlander [5b9bd29f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.155.210.159] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:21:51 maxm-: If you really don't have an idea where the problem is at, you can always start adding BREAKs. That is generally a last resort, though. 18:22:32 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA2298E.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:23:28 Hum, there is not clozure package at the Ubuntu repos. I'll play with CLISP then. 18:24:19 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:24:32 pnq [~nick@ACA2298E.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 18:25:03 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 18:25:04 -!- apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 18:28:29 didi: better to install sbcl downloaded straight from sbcl.org 18:28:51 ah scratch that now i see. 18:32:35 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:33:02 nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-244-33.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 18:33:24 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:34:01 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 18:34:52 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 18:36:33 benny` [~benny@i577A70AF.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 18:36:47 -!- benny` is now known as benny 18:37:57 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has 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holycow_ [~fekoff@69.172.160.67] has joined #lisp 21:02:46 ehu: sorry for not communicating that i fixed it. 21:08:35 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:09:52 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 21:14:38 H4ns: no problem. I'll do it. 21:15:01 H4ns (remove the redirects, that is) 21:15:50 H4ns: done. 21:17:52 -!- Guest27814 is now known as shifty 21:18:18 ehu: thanks! 21:18:44 np. 21:28:42 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-253-53.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 21:45:53 -!- guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: guyal] 21:46:51 -!- n1tn4tsn0k [~nitnatsno@178.47.227.220] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:47:45 -!- zophy [~zophy__@host-18-111-111-24-static.midco.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48:53 -!- fsgxdroid [~fsgxdroid@112.244.35.213.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:51:31 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:51:43 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:52:23 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:52:58 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@124-91-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:17 lemoinem [~swoog@67-91-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has joined #lisp 21:54:47 yates [~user@nc-71-48-9-61.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 21:54:56 are there any examples of wxwidgets apps using common lisp and wxcl? 21:55:14 saschakb` [~skbierm@p4FEA0034.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 21:56:42 -!- saschakb [~skbierm@p4FEA01C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:00:14 -!- ura [~ura@unaffiliated/ura] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:00:16 yates: there once had been, but I must search first... 22:01:26 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-222-106.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:02:11 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-253-53.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:03:59 yates: the only demos I know for sure are in the "examples" directory of the wxcl tarball 22:04:50 yates: but the wxcl demos from 2006, it's questionable if they still run with wxWidgets versions from 2012 22:05:12 yates: wxcl is pretty much dead since summer 2006 22:06:40 did it ever reach any level of completition to be that useful anyway? 22:06:40 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 22:06:59 I remember looking at it back in ~2009 I think or earlier 22:07:26 p_l: i don't remember *any* serious application except some deoms 22:07:30 *demos 22:07:45 -!- sacho [~sacho@95-42-90-0.btc-net.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:08:39 there was a wxcl homepage for some years after 2006, but it semms to have disappeard into the internet nirvana 22:09:49 yeah. I dropped it because I sensed that starting from scratch might be just as much productive 22:10:21 though haskell binding to wx might be useful if someone wants to work on one for CL 22:12:13 codelurker [~codelurke@c-65-96-208-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:14:10 edgar-rft: ok, thanks 22:14:34 Kvaks [~quassel@15.123.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 22:14:56 antonv [5d7d3142@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.66] has joined #lisp 22:15:31 yates: I'm afraid that wxcl is dead that p_l is right, starting from scratch would probably the fastest way to re-animate the wxcl project 22:17:03 oh please don't. if you need a portable GUI library contribute to commonqt or the gtk3 wrapper 22:17:08 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-50-252.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 22:17:48 fe[nl]ix: I handn't seriously considered to work on wxcl 22:18:23 guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:19:16 fe[nl]ix: commonqt doesn't look as capable as wx 22:19:25 as powerful 22:19:33 jacius [~jacius@c-24-13-89-230.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:21:46 which gtk3 toolkit would you recommend? cells-gtk3? 22:22:57 yates: the problem with wxcl is that wxWidgets supports many GUI platforms, where *all* of the supported GUIs themselves are still under development 22:23:36 yates: maintaining wxWidgets as a C++ library already is horror 22:23:46 not so much 22:23:50 i've done it under c++ 22:24:15 yates: maintaining wxcl as a wrapper for wxWidgets is the horror of the horror, it's like permenent work in circles 22:24:46 yates: I still haven't worked with gtk3, I'm using CLX instead 22:25:19 Isn't clx an entirely different level of abstraction? 22:25:54 yates: I don't know a single project using wxWidgets that ever was stable for more than a few months 22:26:13 audacity 22:26:38 antoszka: yes, CLX is very low-level, I only wanted to say that I've never worked with gtk3 22:26:45 Uhm. 22:27:06 audacity has been around for, what, ten years? 22:27:37 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75c02e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:27:44 Yes, but it's neither stable, nor of high quality. 22:27:58 And I'm afraid the toolkit is one of the reasons. 22:28:00 yates: I'm the moderator of the German Audacity forum and I can tell that wxWidgets is the main problem why Audacity after ten years is still in a very childish invancy level 22:29:29 antoszka: what toolkit? CLX talks the X core protocol 22:30:06 edgar-rft: the problem is, i can find no mature and powerful gui toolkits for cl 22:30:31 yates: yes, that's a problem with CL 22:31:01 edgar-rft: can you be more specific re: the problems with wx? a specific problem? 22:31:17 edgar-rft: I'm talking about audacity's problems. 22:31:21 I feel someone with the urge to say "GUIs are not a part of CL therefore they're not a problem with the CL language." 22:31:26 edgar-rft: Basically same thing you're saying. 22:32:06 Quadrescence: and you would drive people away from cl 22:32:25 That attitude with C doesn't seem to be driving people away! 22:32:56 the situation is not the same with c 22:33:07 or c++ 22:33:09 ;) 22:33:17 yates: the problem is *not* wx itself. The problem is that nearly every year there appears a new version of some Windows, Mac or Linux GUI toolkit and then it first takes a while until wx is updated to the new toolkit functions 22:33:42 jake__ [~jake@74.213.226.253] has joined #lisp 22:33:50 maintaining wx is permanantly working in circles 22:33:57 someone who says qt is not as powerful as wx got to be a troll 22:34:10 I didn't mean that wx is *bad* software 22:35:02 i mean't the commonqt toolkit didn't look all that complete or fully developed. 22:35:04 meant 22:35:31 qt and wxw are frameworks, I'd rather use a library, ergo gtk2/3 22:36:07 also Quadrescence is right that GUI stuff is *not* part of the CL specification 22:36:19 never said it was. 22:36:19 qt can be used as a library 22:36:41 qt hijacks the signal handlers of the process where it's loaded, that's *very* annoying 22:36:55 all because they expect you to use their facility for executing external programs 22:37:02 yates: commonqt is quite complete and usable 22:37:18 stassats: do you mean you can use qt "directly" instead of going through something like commonqt? 22:37:29 what? 22:38:00 wipe off your screen 22:38:10 dto [~dto@pool-96-233-56-218.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:38:40 *stassats* doesn't understand what's going on 22:39:09 my question was in response to this: 18:36 qt can be used as a library 22:39:47 i don't understand the question 22:40:20 DYNAMICALLY LOAD THE LIBRARY BINARY INSTEAD OF USE THE ALREADY-MADE WRAPPER? 22:40:29 i don't think the question was that difficult 22:40:58 Quadrescence: it just doesn't make sense to me 22:41:04 -!- codelurker [~codelurke@c-65-96-208-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 22:41:09 i was talking about frameworks vs library 22:41:17 me too 22:41:45 stassats: which would you call commonqt? 22:42:03 an interface to qt 22:42:26 is it a framework, a library, or neither? 22:42:38 whatever you want 22:42:54 i give up. 22:42:59 good 22:44:17 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has joined #lisp 22:44:30 commonqt is what commonly called "bindings"... ie if there is C/C++ land library xyz, then other languages often have "xyz bindings", or speaking from other side, "does xyz has X language bindings" 22:44:55 maxm-: that makes sense. thanks. 22:45:10 commonqt is a very good set bindings for qt. I find it much faster to develop gui with it, then with native QtScript, qt designer, or natively on c++ 22:45:24 fe[nl]ix was talking that qt is trying to be all encompassing, i said that you can only parts of it. i don't get what prompted the question 22:45:37 maxm-: thanks for the recommendation. that definitely swerves me back towards commonqt 22:46:58 we look forward to seeing your glorious code. 22:47:50 Fade: are you talking to me? 22:48:06 *yates* hopes not. 22:48:56 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.112.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:49:46 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:50:25 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 22:50:48 you aren't in persuit of hacks and glory? 22:51:27 looks more like whining 22:51:59 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 22:52:05 why is the smoke library required for commonqt? 22:52:15 because c++ is fucked up 22:52:24 ^^^ 22:56:46 -!- ngz [~user@219.13.97.84.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:57:04 and Qt does some extra tricks outside C++ standard, too 22:57:24 p_l: well, that's why smoke is possible 22:57:31 true 22:57:52 though from what I understand, current smoke compiler can generate data for non-QT stuff 22:58:41 which version of qt does the current commonqt use? 22:58:53 4.8? 22:59:13 whatever is current stable is the target 22:59:18 whichever you have lying around 22:59:36 but yes, it works with 4.5+ 22:59:47 good 22:59:57 (possibly 4.4 as well, but licensing was problematic before) 23:00:24 stassats: version 0.3 23:05:12 -!- FareTower [tunes@nat/google/x-koppdrfkmaqznxfy] has left #lisp 23:06:03 -!- Kvaks [~quassel@15.123.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:14 Kvaks [~quassel@15.123.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 23:09:33 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-oqkpzjyzxqiemvjd] has joined #lisp 23:10:30 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 23:11:52 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129122004.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 23:16:05 -!- Kvaks [~quassel@15.123.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:35 Kvaks [~quassel@15.123.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 23:29:19 -!- guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: guyal] 23:29:52 -!- kilon [~kilon@130.43.29.2.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:30:31 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:30:43 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:30:59 ur5us [~ur5us@253.194.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has joined #lisp 23:37:17 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl5-182-72.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 23:39:02 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-253-53.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 23:39:05 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:42:02 kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has joined #lisp 23:50:53 -!- SrPx [b18565cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.177.133.101.203] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:52:18 jcazevedo_ [~jcazevedo@bl5-182-72.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 23:52:49 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl5-182-72.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:52:55 -!- jcazevedo_ is now known as jcazevedo 23:53:28 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-253-53.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:55:11 -!- vervic [~vervic@vie-188-118-255-030.dsl.sil.at] has quit [Quit: vervic]