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[~fmeyer@186.220.5.148] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:43:32 (typep #(1 2 3 4) '(array t 4)) <-- what type value with a "4" in it, if any, makes that true? 03:43:47 harish [~harish@119.234.210.137] has joined #lisp 03:43:57 fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.5.148] has joined #lisp 03:45:15 Modius```: (typep #(1 2 3 4) '(array t (4))) => T, if that's what you mean? 03:46:09 Bike: Yes it is - thanks! 03:47:23 Modius```: (array t 4) is four-dimensional arrays, if you're wondering. 03:47:42 -!- booyaa` [~booyaa@adsl-67-121-157-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 03:48:27 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.5.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:50:27 pnq [~nick@ACA39940.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 03:51:29 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 03:53:51 DataLinkDroid [~David@110.141.210.42] has joined #lisp 03:55:06 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:57:46 -!- lemoinem 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would be suprised if it did not 05:41:26 Turns out I had compiled it unithreaded, as evidently that's default. a recompile fixed it 05:44:14 --fancy does that, no? 05:45:25 seems so. 05:45:49 -!- sacho [~sacho@95-42-67-174.btc-net.bg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:51:28 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 05:55:41 -!- _3b [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:56:24 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-253-53.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:56:43 -!- |3b| [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:59:54 jjkola_work [c064748e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.116.142] has joined #lisp 06:02:40 are slot :type args supposed to be limited to atomic type specifiers? 06:07:01 slyrus: no 06:07:28 n1tn4tsn0k [~nitnatsno@37.79.32.49] has joined #lisp 06:07:50 -!- n1tn4tsn0k [~nitnatsno@37.79.32.49] has quit [Client Quit] 06:08:18 -!- alvis` [~user@tx-184-6-180-2.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: 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Is there any stream xml serializer? I mean generating stream xml for xmpp, fo example. 06:29:38 -!- treyka [~treyka@85.234.199.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:30:17 asvil: cxml 06:33:23 -!- guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: guyal] 06:33:25 -!- EvilTosha-ub [~eviltosha@isa1.alpha-pc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:34:04 -!- fukushima [~fukushima@z128.124-44-151.ppp.wakwak.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 06:40:30 corburn [~corburn@24-121-174-145.npg.sta.suddenlink.net] has joined #lisp 06:42:58 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-212.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:44:13 Levenson [~Levenson@office-gw.skytel.spb.ru] has joined #lisp 06:45:46 fukushima [~fukushima@z128.124-44-151.ppp.wakwak.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 06:51:39 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-219-130-105.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:51:52 -!- Levenson [~Levenson@office-gw.skytel.spb.ru] has left #lisp 06:56:37 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 06:58:30 -!- DataLinkDroid [~David@110.141.210.42] has quit [Quit: Bye] 07:01:17 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Quit: .] 07:02:48 tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has joined #lisp 07:03:42 H4ns: thanks. But I need generate only beginnig xml, example "", and is it possible with cxml? I found that there is no function for SAX generating events. 07:07:01 -!- jguthrie [~jguthrie@99-54-58-83.lightspeed.dttnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:12:51 -!- Bike [~Glossina@207-225-94-191.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: sleep] 07:15:27 H4ns: Seems the recompilation (and restart) of the spam rule database fixed the spamassassin errors on c-l.net, didn't it? 07:17:53 ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has joined #lisp 07:18:22 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:20:12 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 07:20:40 nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-244-33.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 07:22:53 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.112.91] has joined #lisp 07:23:01 nha [~prefect@g225073082.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 07:23:10 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl6-181-48.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 07:24:10 araujo [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has joined #lisp 07:24:10 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has quit [Changing host] 07:24:10 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 07:25:23 kilon [~kvirc@178.59.17.196] has joined #lisp 07:25:51 jguthrie [~jguthrie@99-54-58-83.lightspeed.dttnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 07:26:24 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.169.64] has joined #lisp 07:27:00 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d013076.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 07:28:46 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-47-24.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:33:41 -!- tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 07:43:28 tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 07:44:22 -!- VieiraN [~VieiraN@177.103.137.177] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:45:26 n1tn4tsn0k [~nitnatsno@37.79.32.49] has joined #lisp 07:46:54 -!- egnarts-ms [~smsmfk@155-18-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:51:07 PUTTA [~SLOW@61.4.76.2] has joined #lisp 07:52:05 moah [~moah@dslb-188-109-144-218.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 07:52:20 _3b [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 07:54:32 b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@178.77.25.45] has joined #lisp 07:54:57 lips for auto lips? 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09:24:10 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:24:14 tiglog [~topeak@123.114.123.26] has joined #lisp 09:24:37 -!- DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-122-201.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 09:24:59 -!- clog [~nef@bespin.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:25:05 clog [~nef@bespin.org] has joined #lisp 09:25:31 swig, probably 09:25:47 relatedly 09:25:48 dnm: get my message? 09:28:41 Hussaind [~hussain@115.124.115.71] has joined #lisp 09:28:42 tcr1 [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 09:29:12 -!- Hussaind [~hussain@115.124.115.71] has left #lisp 09:29:45 Ralith: have you used swig on c++ files? 09:29:52 nope! 09:29:54 gaidal [~gaidal@h164n1-m-sp-d4.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #lisp 09:30:18 ok :-) 09:35:09 wanze [~wanze@61.139.105.97] has joined #lisp 09:35:41 -!- xan_ [~xan@220.111.134.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:36:10 -!- treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:37:02 hello new comer test 09:37:44 wanze: tests should be done in #test, not in #lisp. 09:38:19 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:39:39 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@apn-94-44-85-183.vodafone.hu] has joined #lisp 09:39:39 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@apn-94-44-85-183.vodafone.hu] has quit [Changing host] 09:39:39 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 09:40:21 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 09:40:33 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.0.97.1] 09:41:42 o thanks 09:43:29 sacho [~sacho@95-42-96-143.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 09:45:48 -!- wanze [~wanze@61.139.105.97] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:46:24 wanze [~wanze@61.139.105.97] has joined #lisp 09:46:58 -!- wanze [~wanze@61.139.105.97] has quit [Client Quit] 09:47:40 swig barfs on "clas foo;" 09:49:37 nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-244-33.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 09:51:15 treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has joined #lisp 09:54:05 prxq: Looks like a syntax error to me as well. 09:55:46 -!- tiglog [~topeak@123.114.123.26] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:56:04 xan_ [~xan@pc1.sakuravod-unet.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 09:56:05 nydel0g [~nydel@ip72-197-244-33.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 09:56:11 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 09:56:18 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-212.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:56:40 echo-are` [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 09:56:49 -!- nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-244-33.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:56:54 -!- nydel0g [~nydel@ip72-197-244-33.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:58:39 -!- tcr1 is now known as tcr 09:58:47 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:58:51 asvil: that is not xml 09:59:04 ehu: i think so, for now. 09:59:25 H4ns: It probably is stream xml) 09:59:27 -!- echo-are` is now known as echo-area 09:59:51 pkhuong: gcc has no problem with it 10:01:35 prxq: sure. for gcc, clas foo; declares a variable named foo of type clas. 10:01:58 But swig and humans are more intelligence than that. 10:02:53 wanze [~wanze@61.139.105.97] has joined #lisp 10:03:13 -!- Scruffy [~Bolide@37.212.29.100] has quit [Quit: https://twitter.com/hexc0de твиттани;)] 10:03:46 Scruffy [~Bolide@37.212.29.100] has joined #lisp 10:06:00 -!- wanze [~wanze@61.139.105.97] has quit [Client Quit] 10:06:16 I guess someone might define a type named "clas". 10:09:31 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:12:01 nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-244-33.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 10:15:59 -!- nha [~prefect@dhcp-15-215.math.tu-berlin.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:17:00 -!- harish [~harish@119.234.210.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:21:47 pkhuong: cool stuff thanks. I was thinking along the same lines for later, ie generating C side chunks for compilation 10:22:10 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.22.68] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:22:51 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:23:17 cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.22.68] has joined #lisp 10:23:20 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@apn-94-44-85-183.vodafone.hu] has joined #lisp 10:23:26 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@apn-94-44-85-183.vodafone.hu] has quit [Changing host] 10:23:26 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 10:24:58 maxm-: there's no runtime codegen. All the C stuff is compiled in a so, once, ahead of time. 10:25:14 doh, did not recognized that from quick browse 10:26:29 maxm-: pipelining on medium-length subsequences at a time suffices to avoid the most egregious issues with straight unfused map (needing to cons ginormous intermediate vectors, wasting cache and sometimes too fine-grained work units) 10:26:32 would it be possible to implement sliding window min/max type calculation? such type thing seems to be really popular with financial time series 10:26:49 *maxm-* has lame and probably really in-efficient implementation on C++ side using a multiset 10:28:07 I solved my in-efficiecy problems mostly by massive caching, as disk/memory sizes grew to the point, you can effectively cache every reasonably possible moving average or such over tick data in last 10 years 10:28:24 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:28:50 -!- malaparte [~P@124-149-65-154.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:28:51 harish [~harish@119.234.183.0] has joined #lisp 10:29:18 sorted multiset? ;) yeah. I think there's a trick to make heaps more efficient on that sort of workloads... Either way, I don't think I'd try to implement that as a map or reduce operation. Better write a dedicated routine. 10:29:29 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 10:29:43 -!- b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@178.77.25.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:30:02 *tcr* wonders if cat << EOF  | sbcl script /dev/stdin will work 10:30:38 -!- springz [~springz@116.231.109.177] has quit [Quit: go off work] 10:30:54 error opening #P"/dev/stdin": No such file or directory 10:31:15 tcr: /proc/self/fd/0 ? 10:31:21 /dev/fd/0? 10:31:39 same 10:31:43 /dev/tty is supposed to be current console pty, but sometimes screwy under multi-tty emacs 10:32:25 maxm-: nothing in tcr's question indicated that he'd be interested in reading from the tty, or does it? 10:32:53 *maxm-* sometimes makes too many assumptions about what people are trying to do 10:33:22 tcr: guess we want to support "-script -"? 10:34:03 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:34:23 I'm on quite an old version, though. Can someone confirm it doesn't work on a reasonably current version either, please? 10:35:41 tcr: works for me: echo '(sb-ext:quit)' | sbcl -script /dev/fd/0 10:36:04 tcr: are you sure you did not want "cat <<< EOF"? 10:36:25 jdz: what is '<<<'? 10:36:27 i might be talking nonsense, since i don't use this stuff 10:36:39 tcr: works here as well. 10:36:39 H4ns: ah ok thanks 10:36:49 oh, nvm my babbling 10:36:58 i wonder why sbcl still prints the "* " prompt 10:37:22 Well, I guess an upgrade would be nice at some point. 1.0.42 is getting rather old. :-) 10:38:14 tcr: I think we were all missing a dash on --script (: 10:39:13 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-212.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:39:16 tcr: works correctly with --script /dev/stdin on darwin. 10:39:25 ok 10:39:40 I will use eval $(cat < pkhuong: http://paste.lisp.org/display/129501 ? 10:41:40 tcr: why not simply use (eval (read *standard-input*)) then? document-here works by reading character by character 10:43:15 b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@178.77.1.197] has joined #lisp 10:46:03 H4ns: ah... looks like a bug in the #! line skipping logic: file-position doesn't work on /dev/stdin. 10:47:49 H4ns: So the initial parenthesis is skipped over... A space will work around that issue. Not sure how/whether to fix this. 10:49:16 pkhuong: ok. i was just wondering. 10:49:41 pjb, pkhuong: you guys are right. there's something fishy with this code. 10:49:45 thx 10:50:27 What? My fish is not fresh? 11:03:55 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 11:08:58 nha [~prefect@dhcp-15-215.math.tu-berlin.de] has joined #lisp 11:09:27 ignas__ [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has joined #lisp 11:11:29 yea 1st parentesis is skipped here too 11:11:35 you need to start file with empty newline 11:12:03 spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 11:12:50 btw my solution (which will work on any posix complient unix is) mkfifo /tmp/$$ && sbcl -script /tmp/$$ &; cat </tmp/$$ ... here doc EOF ; rm /tmp/$$ 11:13:09 note you need to start sbcl with & or it will block 11:13:25 metaphysician [~matrix@117.219.4.21] has joined #lisp 11:13:27 -!- metaphysician [~matrix@117.219.4.21] has quit [Changing host] 11:13:27 metaphysician [~matrix@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 11:13:53 also has advantage that you can feed sbcl stuff form by form with several here docs, until you send it (quit), or just kill %1 11:16:16 actually no I'm wrong.. you can only connect to it once, /me is forgetting his unix 11:16:32 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-174-10.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:18:00 fsgxdroid [~fsgxdroid@112.244.35.213.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 11:18:30 -!- hyPiRion [~jeannikl@178.21.132.8] has left #lisp 11:24:08 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:25:14 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 11:26:17 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-212.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:28:15 -!- dsp1_ is now known as dsp1 11:28:30 -!- nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-244-33.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: quit] 11:29:40 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0DC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 11:30:09 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #lisp 11:35:22 ngz [~user@103.69.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 11:35:42 hi! what do you recommend - lispworks or lispbox? afaik they are both IDEs for lisp. 11:36:56 lispworks is nice, but commercial; the free version is limited. A lot of people here use Emacs and SLIME; lispbox bundles that with an implementation, but I don't know how well-maintained it is nowadays. 11:37:50 hmm so lispbox should be a good start? 11:38:22 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-103-161.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:38:30 theos: if you can install emacs and a CL implementation (e.g. Clozure CL or SBCL), you can just install quicklisp and use it to install and setup slime with (ql:quickload "quicklisp-slime-helper"). 11:39:10 i have installed emacs and clisp already. so i need to install quicklisp? 11:39:23 theos: http://www.mohiji.org/2011/01/modern-common-lisp-on-linux/ 11:40:46 thanks 11:41:10 so no need for lispbox then :/ 11:42:12 -!- djinni` [~djinni@li125-242.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 11:42:14 I like to believe the setup process is getting better streamlined by the month, making tools like lispbox not as helpful as they once were. 11:45:25 ah did xach made quicklisp? 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13:06:55 xecycle: with-open-file 13:07:13 imho he means literally parse < >> etc, and convert to :if-exists :append etc 13:07:26 Xach: Know that, but somewhat verbose. maxm- is right. 13:07:31 There are none. 13:07:47 So am going to write one. 13:08:00 imho better name would be with-io-syntax or such 13:08:15 with-brief-io-syntax 13:08:30 That suggests a relationship with with-standard-io-syntax that isn't there. 13:08:31 xecycle: Don't use macros to save typing. Your macro will just replace ">>" with ":direction :append" and "<" with ":direction :input" 13:08:42 maxm-: Thanks for the hint. I'm not very familiar with such things. 13:08:44 -!- nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:08:57 naryl: +1 13:09:09 Not quite. Appending is :direction :output :if-exists :append 13:09:20 right :) 13:09:24 naryl: But may some day add (s | "pipe-to-this-program) or something more. 13:09:25 Xach: does not change the point 13:09:46 jdz: It saves more typing. 13:09:55 minion: chant 13:09:55 MORE TYPING 13:10:03 xecycle: the worst part of your approach, IMHO, is the infix notation 13:10:05 I agree it's not a win overall. 13:10:13 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0DC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 13:10:24 -!- kilon [~kvirc@178.59.17.196] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 13:10:32 p_l: What do you suggest then? 13:10:34 -!- Modius``` [~user@cpe-70-123-128-240.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:11:03 xecycle: go out, get some fresh air, rest your fingers, that should cure your macrolitys 13:11:14 or macrolitis 13:11:15 Xach hey. does your quicklisp.lisp have trouble with clisp when installing? because i get some errors when i try to install quicklisp 13:11:28 theos: It does not have any trouble that I know of with the latest clisp. 13:11:37 theos: It does not work on old clisps 13:11:42 xecycle: something either keeping prefix notation, or kicking syntax completely (like LOOP) 13:11:42 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 13:12:02 jdz: There is no simple replacement for (s | "pipe-to-this-program) to pipe. 13:12:06 *maxm-* loves coming to #lisp to have it explained to him why he should not be coding anything :-) 13:12:08 (simple and portable) 13:12:16 naryl: are you sure? 13:12:23 your proposed macros are troublesome to read due to being "similar but different" 13:12:27 theos: Are you using the latest CLISP? 13:12:31 Xach maybe my clisp is old. i get this error "DEFPACKAGE QL-CLISP: There is no symbol EXT::PROBE-PATHNAME ." 13:12:36 "pipe" and "program" cannot be portable 13:12:38 p_l: like LOOP? Now that most of us are familiar with those notations I'd better simply use that. 13:12:50 jdz: (with-pipe-to-program (s "smth") (format s "hi!")) Like this? 13:13:06 theos: what do you get from (cl:lisp-implementation-version)? 13:14:11 -!- r126f [~ruwin126@120.142.67.254] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:14:13 Xach "2.44.1 (2008-02-23) (built 3475986783) and then error :D 13:15:01 theos: that is too old. try 2.49. 13:15:28 Xach ah! thanks i will upgrade. 13:15:34 naryl: was that a question? 13:15:53 -!- Scruffy [~Bolide@37.212.29.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:16:28 Scruffy [~Bolide@37.212.73.157] has joined #lisp 13:18:53 jguthrie [~jguthrie@70-91-123-129-BusName-mi.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:24:21 hmm lokks like lots of dependencies there 13:25:33 -!- jguthrie [~jguthrie@70-91-123-129-BusName-mi.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:25:36 ngz [~user@103.69.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 13:25:38 theos: for clisp? 13:25:56 Do you have the option not to use CLISP? It's my least favorite active CL implementation. 13:25:57 yes Xach . i use ubuntu 10.04 :D 13:26:26 theos: and you find it funny? 13:26:38 your least favorite? my least favorite from now on :D you suggest sbcl? 13:26:51 sbcl is my most favorite 13:26:51 A guy once recommended clisp to me on Windows. Though I think clozure would be much better. 13:27:24 Now that you use Linux you'd better use sbcl. 13:28:18 Xach ok then. its sbcl. i was a little confused choosing the right CL implementation. thanks 13:28:44 theos: ecl has potential too. But currently sbcl is the best unless you have special requirements. 13:28:55 theos: there are a lot of options and some reasons for each. sbcl is my favorite. it's also the most popular in general. 13:29:15 nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-244-33.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 13:29:32 Yeah, e.g. Maxima on Arch Linux uses sbcl. 13:29:35 hmm i have heard of ecl. it looks good. i shall use sbcl to get started 13:29:37 theos: Like ABCL if you need to use some Java libraries. Or still ECL if you're writing a plugin in CL. 13:29:51 For a C application e.g. 13:30:23 naryl someone wrote an ecl plugin for xchat :) 13:31:27 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 13:32:09 francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has joined #lisp 13:32:11 (and i was looking for such a plugin so that i can run CL scripts with xchat) 13:32:50 I just use xchat-guile. 13:33:20 Guile isn't the greatest, I know. But plugins don't tend to be very large, either. 13:33:48 does it have a CL plugin? 13:33:53 -!- mensch [~mensch@c-67-189-240-148.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:33:54 No. 13:34:02 :/ 13:34:03 dlowe: Plugins can be larger than the original program. Like Emacs. 13:34:06 francogrex [~user@109.130.19.93] has joined #lisp 13:34:17 xecycle: sure, but IRC client plugins? 13:34:33 Emacs doesn't have plugins, in any case. 13:34:44 Not the way people usually mean plugins 13:34:48 xyxu [~Adium@180.157.5.32] has joined #lisp 13:34:55 dlowe: That depends on what do you want out of your IRC client. 13:35:08 xecycle: If I wanted that much, I'd use erc 13:35:28 So you mean once a plugin is shipped with Emacs itself it's not a plugin anymore. 13:38:07 Radium_ [~rajesh.na@117.203.4.222] has joined #lisp 13:38:09 No. A plugin is written to a interface comprised of hooks into some host software. In emacs, the host software is indistinguishable from the extension. 13:40:33 Xach any way to uninstall quicklisp? 13:40:34 -!- nha [~prefect@dhcp-15-215.math.tu-berlin.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:40:45 theos: Remove the directory. 13:41:17 theos: remove or move the ~/quicklisp directory 13:41:19 thanks 13:41:26 theos: not happy with it? 13:41:48 Xach no. i love it. just want to reinstall it properly with sbcl 13:41:59 theos: no need. it's already installed properly. 13:42:12 last time it had errors with clisp. and i continued everytime 13:42:13 try sbcl --load ~/quicklisp/setup.lisp and evaluate (ql:add-to-init-file) 13:43:20 hmm sbcl has some shortcomings i guess. for example, the cursor cant be moved backwards. up key doesnt get the last command issued 13:43:28 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:44:01 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 13:44:03 no auto-complete either. or maybe i have to read the manual 13:44:09 theos: there are a few ways to get that. 13:44:14 theos: rlwrap and slime. 13:44:15 theos: the most popular way is to use slime (that's what i do) 13:44:25 theos: we rarely use the bare repl. rather, we use slime. 13:44:38 theos: but you can also (ql:quickload "linedit") and (linedit:install-repl) to get completion, navigation, and history. 13:44:51 dang, this lag is awful 13:44:52 http://xach.com/lisp/linedit-screencast.gif shows an example 13:45:05 thanks.slime looks like a good thing. how can i install slime? 13:45:15 theos: (ql:quickload "quicklisp-slime-helper") 13:45:29 quicklisp way :) 13:45:32 icrazyhack [~horieyui@202.120.202.123] has joined #lisp 13:46:43 dlowe: an irc client plugin could be an IA with lots of meninges. 13:46:46 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@12.132.197.125] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:46:46 -!- ejohnson [~elliott@vr.elliottjohnson.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:46:46 -!- zxq9 [~zxq9@FL1-119-244-163-13.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:46:46 -!- cataska_ [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:46:46 -!- gz [~gz@209-6-49-85.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:46:46 -!- df_ [~df@aldur.bowerham.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:46:46 -!- dryman [~dryman@OpenISDM.iis.sinica.edu.tw] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:46:46 -!- PECCU [~peccu@KD106179020073.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:47:05 why does everyone want to argue with me on this? 13:47:46 Levenson [~Levenson@office-gw.skytel.spb.ru] has joined #lisp 13:47:47 slyrus [~chatzilla@12.132.197.125] has joined #lisp 13:47:47 ejohnson [~elliott@vr.elliottjohnson.net] has joined #lisp 13:47:47 zxq9 [~zxq9@FL1-119-244-163-13.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 13:47:47 cataska_ [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #lisp 13:47:47 gz [~gz@209-6-49-85.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 13:47:47 df_ [~df@aldur.bowerham.net] has joined #lisp 13:47:47 dryman [~dryman@OpenISDM.iis.sinica.edu.tw] has joined #lisp 13:47:47 PECCU [~peccu@KD106179020073.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 13:48:54 quicklisp still fails on ele-bdb, the library paths are incorrect. Can I modify that? 13:48:55 dekuked [~user@pool-108-20-217-59.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:49:05 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.19.93] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:51:09 You can hack on a local copy of elephant to change its configuration. 13:52:40 Ah, found my-config.sexp. 13:53:05 Xach: I'm pretty sad that I had to leave the meeting. It sounded amazing. 13:54:25 everything installed perfectly 13:54:30 dlowe: i saw you at the start, when did you head out? 13:54:51 it was a fun meeting and a fun dinner 13:54:53 I had to leave just before it started to take care of family stuff 13:55:23 I don't really know how the talk went over, but I didn't get as anxious during the talk as I thought I might, and there were some good questions afterwards (including one from rms) 13:55:25 Yikes. My BDB version is 5.3, but it said supports 4.5 & 4.6 --- Can I assume backward compatibility? 13:56:00 xecycle: It seems to me that elephant is a lot of work to get working and I'm not sure it's worth the hassle 13:56:14 Did you have your heart set on it? Maybe there's an easier alternative. 13:56:14 >_< 13:56:21 -!- Levenson [~Levenson@office-gw.skytel.spb.ru] has left #lisp 13:57:54 Elephant's pre-build config needs make me think there's some room to have something to do exactly that (some kind of persistent configuration store somewhere) 13:59:24 xecycle: Most popular "alternatives" are AFAIK 13:59:32 minion: postmodern 13:59:32 postmodern: Postmodern is an interface to PostgreSQL SQL databases. http://www.cliki.net/postmodern 13:59:41 minion: bknr.datastore 13:59:41 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``bknr.datastore''. 13:59:48 It depends on what you wnat to do. 14:00:01 naryl: postmodern does not have anything for object persistence. 14:00:18 H4ns: I think it has an ORM to PgSQL. 14:00:29 oh, *object* persistence, ok. 14:00:31 naryl: it does not. it has a row representation metaclass. 14:00:44 evenson [~evenson@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 14:00:56 cl-perec is more like an orm. 14:00:57 minion: rucksack 14:00:57 rucksack: Rucksack is a persistence library for Common Lisp. http://www.cliki.net/rucksack 14:01:02 naryl: So it's SQL again. I'd want some small key-value stores sometimes. 14:01:28 xecycle: And there is always mongo. 14:01:31 I've used rucksack. It's a bit persnickety 14:01:49 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has joined #lisp 14:02:05 naryl: Know that. But BDB is more appealing to me. 14:02:06 fast, though 14:04:00 i've used rucksack and its insert performance is rather abysmal 14:04:55 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:05:31 xecycle: if you're still on elephant, I'm pretty sure the switch from 4.x to 5 isn't transparent. 14:05:44 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has joined #lisp 14:05:48 slyrus: I would have thought it would be quick fast. Is that with a lot of indexes? 14:06:14 pkhuong: No, just want to try it. But it said it doesn't support that by now. 14:08:03 not really a lot of indices, but a lot of objects. I've tried to disable the indexes, etc... but it always bogs down trying to load 1e6 objects or so... 14:09:35 um, where would I find .emacs files that are targeted at cl stuff? 14:09:58 kilon [~kilon@77.49.0.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr] has joined #lisp 14:11:29 maxm-: what does he mean? 14:12:33 err? 14:12:39 now i need to learn how to use emacs :S 14:12:46 theos: worth it 14:12:58 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:13:04 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 14:13:15 Xach: There's a problem installing xcvb with quicklisp. It wants a newer asdf than I have but after doing (ql:quickload 'asdf) qucklisp can't find any systems. 14:13:28 naryl: get a newer asdf then. 14:13:36 Xach i hope so :) i know the basic shortcuts. everything looks good 14:13:40 (ql:quickload 'asdf) doesn't do it? 14:14:05 theos: the minimum necessary to get SLIME running is much smaller now, thanks to Quicklisp. 14:14:07 naryl: no. it uses your system's asdf. 14:14:25 theos: ... unless you want to use *both* Common Lisp and Clojure 14:14:37 just CL for now :) 14:14:45 ok. Weird. I have two versions then and old one is loaded with init file and the newer one with ql. 14:15:54 What will you do with xcvb? 14:15:55 theos: swank-Clojure for unknown reasons doesn't track slime CVS but uses the release version... 14:16:24 p_l quicklisp has made most of the things easy 14:16:36 didnt try clojure yet 14:16:43 Xach: See if it works. :) 14:16:50 p_l: they claim it's because the slime folks won't commit to "stable releases" 14:17:10 o those slime folks 14:17:11 quicklisp is our stable releases 14:17:35 Thanks Xach! 14:17:37 slyrus: I think they don't want people to try CL ;) 14:17:38 *Xach* is a release engineer with a release engineering degree from devry 14:18:02 slyrus: did that mess with slime deadlocks got resolved? 14:18:43 Xach: some more and we'll find a way to give honoris causa doctorate for QL ;) 14:19:56 oh, plurals of plurals, stop hurting my brain! 14:20:07 stassats: it seems to be fixed for the moment 14:20:23 alright 14:20:54 -!- Zypeh [~zypeh@60.54.27.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:21:07 so I'm trying to map a slightly silly xml file to some classes/objects using H4ns xml-class stuff 14:21:33 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 14:22:15 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:22:22 does slime connect to an online server? 14:22:29 and I'm having trouble deciding what to do w.r.t. naming slots/classes when I get sets of sets 14:23:19 Zypeh [~zypeh@60.54.27.176] has joined #lisp 14:23:32 because in emacs it says "connected" 14:23:41 theos: server is started in the target process (usually lisp image, but there are implementations for R and others) 14:23:43 i've got radii, which can have multiple instances of radius. but an element can have multiple radii. what should I call the field that contains the multiple radii objects? 14:23:49 theos: then SLIME connects to it 14:23:51 radii-list? 14:23:53 radiis? 14:24:01 oh thanks p_l 14:24:49 *H4ns* can't resist 14:24:52 radieschen 14:24:58 :D 14:25:24 there's probably a joke-in-german there i didn't get 14:25:36 fe[nl]ix: you may want to know that libfixposix doesn't build on freebsd 9: configure: error: Cannot find NSIG in 14:25:56 slyrus: it means radish 14:26:02 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:26:05 heh 14:27:08 radiii 14:27:11 clearly 14:27:48 I'm shocked and dismayed that the culture that makes such good use of qux didn't land on that immediately. 14:28:53 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has joined #lisp 14:29:52 galdor: send me a tarball of your /usr/include 14:30:35 fe[nl]ix: on freebsd, NSIG is defined in sys/signal.h, but __BSD_VISIBLE need to be defined 14:30:46 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-174-10.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 14:30:48 -!- icrazyhack [~horieyui@202.120.202.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:30:52 kmcorbett_ [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has joined #lisp 14:31:00 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 14:31:02 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:02 -!- kmcorbett_ is now known as kmcorbett 14:32:06 kmcorbett_ [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has joined #lisp 14:32:09 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:32:09 -!- kmcorbett_ is now known as kmcorbett 14:33:02 -!- nyef_ is now known as nyef 14:33:02 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:16 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has joined #lisp 14:34:21 hi BLM pals 14:34:54 What's the M stand for there? 14:35:03 meeting 14:35:08 Masonry 14:35:29 Ah, then hello. And congratulations on handling Stallman's trolling such such grace. 14:35:46 ... what trolling? 14:36:05 The usual "you should only accept free software" thing. 14:36:14 nha [~prefect@f052065208.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 14:36:15 Well, GPLv3 centrism more than that. 14:36:24 you guys has a meeting with stallman and he was trolling? epic 14:36:52 "Only accept software compatible with GPLv3" which of course eliminates GPLv2, early BSD, and others. The meeting wasn't with Stallman, he simply attended. 14:37:01 I didn't really take it that way. 14:37:12 theos: some of the stuff you might learn about the guy is astounding. For example from people who foolishly agreed to provide accommodation to him 14:37:22 :D 14:37:27 "repent, sinners" 14:37:38 I took it as trolling. I respect and admire the guy, and it was mildly disappointing to me. 14:37:57 Anyway, at South Station, so I'm heading underground. BBL. 14:37:58 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-212.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:37:59 It was actually fairly polite, but still a potentially explosive issue. 14:38:11 It seemed to me more saying "You should have a formal policy and here's one to consider" 14:38:35 I agree that I should have a formal policy but I do not intend to go with something like "gpl3 only" 14:39:02 i dont like gpl. donno if things changed in gpl3 14:39:13 theos: they went weirder 14:40:17 p_l and people will use gpl3 now :/ 14:40:18 what did stallman do? 14:40:35 theos: that's not much of a problem 14:40:54 though AGPL makes me run 14:40:55 dekuked: He asked me if I had a formal policy regardin the licenses of the projects I redistribute. 14:41:02 there are bigger problems... 14:41:29 dekuked: I said there was not a formal policy, but in practice the licenses of the software must permit me to redistribute things, and he suggested what I mentioned above. 14:42:34 outside of EULA-style and some specific commercial licenses, I don't think there's any license that actually impacts QL 14:43:24 DaDaDOSPrompt [~DaDaDOSPr@184.99.7.19] has joined #lisp 14:44:02 p_l: cl-http 14:44:24 Stallman wasn't trolling. He is extremely earnest and absolutely dedicated to a particular view of computer rights. 14:44:52 sacho [~sacho@95-42-96-143.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 14:46:24 Xach: yes. And iirc it's one of the few bigger libraries with public sourcecode that is what falls under basically "commercial license" 14:46:38 I imagine he only attended because he heard there was software being distributed and he wanted to say his piece 14:46:45 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-kjqnqqrbkijnrsxs] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:46:59 -!- sacho_ [~sacho@95-42-96-143.btc-net.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:48:25 Xach: CL-HTTP is a very messy variant of the CMU one, isn't it? 14:49:20 cl-http has a proper license now? 14:49:47 p_l: What is the cmu one? 14:50:04 H4ns: no 14:51:39 Xach: CMU was basically BSD with requirement that modifications to project's code (but not *uses* of said project) were shared back with CMU 14:52:27 p_l: cl-http seems like an amateur's attempt to make a license from scratch, to me 14:52:33 so using CL-HTTP as an example, under CMU license, if you made it work with ASDF or port it to iolib, you'd be required to send the patches to CMU 14:52:46 does anyone use cl-http? 14:53:01 stassats: the clinton white house! 14:53:04 Xach: it seems to me like a hodge-podge of ideas stamped into remnants of MIT/BSD/CMU license 14:53:19 that sounds unenforceable 14:53:23 Xach: which clinton? 14:53:23 stassats: lispm.dyndns.org used till recently, afaik 14:53:41 df_: it was more of courtesy-based rule rather than enforced one 14:53:49 stassats: Richard Clinton Stallman 14:53:55 think of it as a much milder LGPL 14:55:45 btw, anyone knows what happened to lispm.dyndns.org? 14:56:04 did the lispm running it give up its Magic Smoke? 14:57:08 -!- yakov [~yakov@77.72.122.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:57:31 kmcorbett_ [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has joined #lisp 14:57:33 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:57:36 -!- kmcorbett_ is now known as kmcorbett 14:59:37 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-foocbapqbvoftryr] has joined #lisp 15:01:21 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:25 -!- nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-244-33.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: quit] 15:02:00 -!- LaughingMan [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:04:17 srolls [~user@c-76-126-212-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:06:11 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.140.148] has joined #lisp 15:09:23 -!- kilon [~kilon@77.49.0.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:09:54 -!- Skola [~Skola@89.184.179.185] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:10:11 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:12:16 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:14:12 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-foocbapqbvoftryr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:15:00 tritchey [~tritchey@ip-64-134-226-126.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 15:16:00 -!- edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:16:00 -!- Guest27814 [~user@114-198-37-54.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:16:00 -!- aerique [310225@xs8.xs4all.nl] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:16:00 -!- tali713 [~tali713@c-75-72-193-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:16:00 -!- j_king [~jking@mortar.walled.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:16:00 -!- fooc [foocraft@ibawizard.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:16:22 edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 15:16:23 Guest27814 [~user@114-198-37-54.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 15:16:23 aerique [310225@xs8.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 15:16:23 tali713 [~tali713@c-75-72-193-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:16:23 j_king [~jking@mortar.walled.net] has joined #lisp 15:16:23 fooc [foocraft@ibawizard.net] has joined #lisp 15:16:37 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:17:12 Daniel, I'd hoped that he had attended because he's a Lisp fan. I was evidently wrong. I do like the GPLv3 protection against patents. In general I like the license. And I think it would be wholly wrong to exclude software that's considered incompatible with it. 15:17:14 -!- guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: guyal] 15:17:22 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 15:18:58 The only other surprise about the meeting last night was the ITA fellow who evidently hasn't been deluged with history and cogitation surrounding the Common Lisp standardization process. There was an air of "why haven't you people thought of this" about it when it seemed that everyone in the room had thought about it quite a bit without finding a workable resolution. 15:19:07 ChibaPet: it's up to the applications to be careful not to use in the same executable GPL3 and GPL2 libraries. 15:19:33 Right. And so Xach's notion of providing metadata is the perfect solution. 15:19:34 dobby156 [~dobson@host-78-147-194-119.as13285.net] has joined #lisp 15:19:35 hi 15:19:43 Yeah, and foom knew some of the answers to his questions, as well. 15:19:53 ChibaPet: the only requirement Xach should make is that a normalized :license attribute be set in all defsystems. 15:19:55 brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:20:08 foom? Was that the ITA fellow? 15:20:10 kilon [~kilon@77.49.0.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr] has joined #lisp 15:20:12 foom was the ita fellow 15:20:14 quick question what is a fair standard Linux Scheme interpretter 15:20:25 dobby156: #scheme probably can help better than #lisp 15:20:29 dobby156: you should ask in #scheme 15:20:30 I am using the wizard book but it doesn't recommend one 15:20:42 dobby156: but you should probably use Racket 15:20:43 dobby156: I'd suggest looking at #racket as well. There's a lot of activity there, and it's a Scheme. 15:20:55 Notably, GPL is ambiguous, and GPL2 may mean GPL2+ (GPL2+ is compatible with GPL3, but not GPL2), so you have to check the exact license when it's GPL2, perhaps it's actually GPL2+. 15:21:06 ChibaPet: careful, it's not scheme 15:21:17 Alright, sorry, it *can be* a Scheme. 15:21:20 dlowe: thanks that will do fine I don't have any programming problems at the moment other tha waht to use 15:22:07 "Racket is a Scheme" http://racket-lang.org/new-name.html 15:22:38 dlowe: But it doesn't conform to r6rs or r7rs explicitly. It can, but not by default. 15:23:06 okay, it's not a modern scheme. Lets talk about CL now. 15:24:06 So, back to the talk, and CL. Xach's Kool Aid was quite good and it made me want to duplicate his build environment for other CL implementations. 15:24:45 I reallly don't think I am going to go near any edge cases just yet 15:24:47 It also made me want to stuff in a mechanism for having knobs by which individual packages can be selected, beyond "take the latest". 15:24:54 anyone transcript the talk? 15:24:55 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-76-254-23-139.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: gigamonkey] 15:25:11 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 15:26:43 ChibaPet: mechanism for inclusion in QL or for slotting in QL? 15:27:17 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:28:04 -!- ccomendant [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/ccomendant] has left #lisp 15:34:31 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 15:37:00 -!- EyesIsMine [~Eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:37:06 -!- xan_ [~xan@pc1.sakuravod-unet.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:37:25 I've seeing a common idiom lately. A `for' loop (using a macro, doesn't matter) at elements of a sequence and a conditional with a `push' to accumulate only certain elements. Couldn't this be done with `loop'? 15:37:47 didi: loop can do that 15:37:57 -!- Radium_ [~rajesh.na@117.203.4.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:37:59 (loop for el in seq when predicate collect el) 15:38:04 jdz [~jdz@host229-71-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 15:38:04 Aha! 15:38:06 -!- nha [~prefect@f052065208.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:38:07 or 15:38:09 Nice. 15:38:11 only that IN doesn't work with sequence 15:38:22 (remove-if-not pred seq) 15:38:32 hmm... forgot :when, last tiem I did that I used :do 15:38:36 (with a hashset) 15:38:51 *dlowe* prefers remove-if-not. 15:39:03 *stassats* prefers not to cons a new sequence 15:39:16 *dlowe* prefers not to prematurely optimize. 15:39:43 Premature optimization is distinct from an awareness of the cost of various methods. 15:39:45 dlowe: it's not performance optimization 15:39:52 Why not write a remove-if-not-f. 15:40:13 dlowe: I was already supposed to optimize, and remove-if-not had incorrect semantics 15:40:19 -!- sacho [~sacho@95-42-96-143.btc-net.bg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:40:26 it was an interview question ;) 15:41:15 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@188-143-65-33.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #lisp 15:41:16 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@188-143-65-33.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Changing host] 15:41:16 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:42:32 -!- treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:44:15 Also, can LOOP use forms and RETURN? 15:44:25 (loop named didi) 15:46:07 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has joined #lisp 15:46:21 For example: 15:47:27 didi: yes 15:48:26 stassats: Nice. I couldn't figure out if that was the normal LOOP or something else. 15:48:48 you could try reading clhs loop 15:48:51 clhs loop 15:48:52 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_loop.htm 15:49:47 Right. 15:49:59 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:50:46 -!- asvil [~asvil@178.121.41.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:51:08 Is there a list of CL idioms that I can read over? 15:51:43 Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 15:51:43 sure. look at the systems distributed with quicklisp, or buy a copy of PAIP 15:51:46 xecycle: no 15:52:04 PAIP? Thanks. 15:52:26 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has quit [Quit: Quit] 15:52:33 minion: please tell xecycle about PAIP 15:52:34 xecycle: direct your attention towards PAIP: Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming: Case Studies in Common Lisp by Peter Norvig. http://www.cliki.net/PAIP 15:53:42 Yikes. $72 on Amazon. 15:53:59 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has joined #lisp 15:54:02 could probably get it used from powell's 15:54:11 xecycle: raid a library at university 15:55:40 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:56:04 Search at my school lib returned this -> Programming paradigms in LISP. Probably not the same, what about this one? 15:56:32 EyesIsMine [~Eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has joined #lisp 15:56:39 PAIP is an excellent CL tutorial treatment with highly idiomatic examples. 15:56:43 I don't know about that one. 15:59:21 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:59:43 -!- kpal [~kpal@janus-nat-128-240-225-120.ncl.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:59:50 there's also PCL 16:00:00 minion: tell xecycle about PCL 16:00:00 xecycle: have a look at PCL: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 16:00:16 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@190.8.100.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:00:44 the online version is free to browse. 16:02:25 PAIP doesn't seem like a book you just "read" from cover to cover imo. I use it more like a reference text. It's so thick and dense. 16:02:41 Lots of good stuff in it but hard to read cover to cover. 16:02:53 -!- Zypeh [~zypeh@60.54.27.176] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:03:13 Honestly? Read the first half straight through over the course of about a week or so. 16:03:20 hum. It is a large book, but I read it linearly. 16:03:32 *Fade* seconds nyeff 16:03:33 I liked reading it cover to cover. It helped to code along. 16:03:34 -f 16:04:15 also, the coding along is fun and helps cement the text. 16:04:16 As with a lot of programming books I read when I was new, I thought I got the gist of what he was saying, until I tried to do the code, and my version failed over and over until I got it. 16:04:25 -!- xecycle [~user@2001:da8:8000:e104:ca0a:a9ff:fe72:7a0d] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:04:45 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@ip-64-134-226-126.public.wayport.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 16:05:21 the later chapters on implementing prolog and then scheme pretty much blew my mind. 16:05:41 I ended up spending a lot of time on the code in those sections, and it was totally worth it. 16:07:26 Oh wait, conflating PAIP w/ http://www.amazon.com/Artificial-Intelligence-Modern-Approach-Edition/dp/0137903952/ref=pd_sim_b_1 16:07:38 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:07:47 All my opinions apply to that one. I have none on PAIP. :) 16:08:08 imo PAIP is the most important CL book. 16:09:29 just code. 16:09:59 pkhuong: and read. or you're doomed to repeat history. 16:11:04 I'm currently re-working through SICP. 16:11:52 -!- SHODAN [~shozan@c-2cb4e253.011-86-73746f30.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12:22 -!- xyxu [~Adium@180.157.5.32] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:12:44 -!- dobby156 [~dobson@host-78-147-194-119.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:13:12 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 16:13:43 SHODAN [~shozan@c-2cb4e253.011-86-73746f30.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 16:14:17 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has left #lisp 16:15:11 -!- BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-057-247.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:30 -!- springz [~springz@211.95.76.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:15:49 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:16:43 BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-057-247.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:17:00 MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-2-137-171.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 16:17:16 jacius [~jacius@c-24-13-89-230.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:18:42 naiv_ [~quassel@AAnnecy-552-1-240-114.w90-4.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:18:54 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-139-57.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:19:39 -!- naiv [~quassel@AAnnecy-552-1-262-63.w92-157.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:24:12 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.165] has joined #lisp 16:25:00 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:25:14 MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-138-108.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 16:25:36 adu [~ajr@ip-64-134-96-117.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 16:25:41 <_schulte_> anyone know if there exists a CL library for parsing and manipulating ASTs from C code? 16:26:56 that's a confused question 16:26:59 ... C code ASTs, or a lisp library that you call from C to manipulate ASTs? 16:27:41 <_schulte_> sorry, I'd like to take a file of C code, use CL to parse that into the corresponding AST (of C code), and then use CL to manipulate that AST 16:27:49 <_schulte_> is that clear? 16:28:19 MoALTz__ [~no@host-92-2-138-208.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 16:28:22 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-2-137-171.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:30:26 there was one by Juliusz Chroboczek, but I can't find the homepage 16:31:46 m7w [~chatzilla@46.28.98.189] has joined #lisp 16:31:50 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-138-108.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:32:07 MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-2-124-92.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 16:32:44 <_schulte_> yea, I don't see it on his software page 16:32:55 <_schulte_> I'll look around some more 16:33:56 corburn [~corburn@24-121-174-145.npg.sta.suddenlink.net] has joined #lisp 16:35:00 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 16:35:10 _schulte_: wrap libclang if you want a complete solution. 16:35:24 -!- MoALTz__ [~no@host-92-2-138-208.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:35:59 <_schulte_> pkhuong: yea, I thought of that, but was hoping a CL library would have a more lispy API... although that may be the most robust solution 16:37:20 wrapping usually includes the creation of a lispy api ;) I hear guthur is interested in that angle as well. 16:37:37 _schulte_: writing something to generate cffi? 16:37:47 MoALTz__ [~no@host-92-2-124-92.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 16:37:59 tritchey [~tritchey@108.60.121.114] has joined #lisp 16:38:08 <_schulte_> oGMo: nope, just doing GP type stuff on extant C code 16:38:13 ah 16:38:32 _schulte_: juliusz had a CL version of CPC, and I extracted the C parser from it: http://common-lisp.net/~sionescu/misc/parcl.tar.gz 16:39:00 -!- chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-25-97.lns2.dea.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:39:02 but it doesn't support GCC extensions 16:39:06 oh... it may be simpler to wrap the nasty stuff in CPP macros ans generate c code then. 16:39:24 <_schulte_> fe[nl]ix: thanks 16:40:54 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-2-124-92.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:41:36 galdor: try adding -D__BSD_VISIBLE to the relevant line in build/m4/custom_checks.m4, then run autoreconf and configure 16:41:53 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:42:22 -!- MoALTz__ [~no@host-92-2-124-92.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:44:31 -!- saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0DC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:46:45 huangjs [~huangjs@200.54.109.17] has joined #lisp 16:46:52 HG` [~HG@dsbg-4db5978c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 16:46:56 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 16:47:25 francogrex [~user@109.130.19.93] has joined #lisp 16:47:48 H4ns: https://github.com/slyrus/xml-class 16:48:33 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:50:35 slyrus: what is xml-class? 16:50:49 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:51:01 it's a packaged up version of h4ns' xml metaclass example he re-pasted yesterday 16:51:12 i haven't decided if it's useful or not, but it was an interesting exercise 16:51:21 clearly it needs a README 16:51:30 <_schulte_> fe[nl]ix: so parcl works, but I had to manually strip out all comments... Nice internal representation though, thanks for sharing 16:51:37 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:51:57 -!- HG` [~HG@dsbg-4db5978c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:52:05 I don't have time to read through all the code, but the name makes it look like something that might be quite useful to me soonish. 16:52:43 Ok. maybe tonight i'll get to some documentation/README writing 16:54:53 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:56:33 lilin [~lilin@116.19.167.215] has joined #lisp 16:57:14 pnq [~nick@AC8242A6.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 17:00:24 I got droid sdk and ndk installed, to build ecl, and now what? 17:01:17 francogrex: now prepare for pain. Try getting ECLs configure script to build a binary using compilers from NDK, targeting ARMv5TE 17:02:42 *francogrex* is getting the bottle of vodka 17:03:18 it's just that i am totally unfamiliar with the ndk... if I start with a toy example 17:03:33 I foresee a lot of issues with linking to correct libc 17:03:35 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 17:04:10 great, starting with a great morale 17:04:29 glad to help 17:04:33 ^_- 17:04:53 you did, but not letting me waste my time 17:05:01 -!- lilin [~lilin@116.19.167.215] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:05:37 it is possible, but... 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Yes, I agree with you on pretty much all the points you raised. I think most of the people in the room did. But I think CL needs to become significantly more popular than it is to generate the energy needed for such a process. People in that room were talking at points about why CL didn't make it, and if that crowd feels that way then something needs to budge. 17:53:05 -!- tyson1 [~Ian@184-94-21-130.dedicated.allstream.net] has left #lisp 17:53:44 And yes, some of that is in and of itself a barrier to acceptance, so solving the problem would go a long ways to solving the problem, but that's where we are. 17:53:44 -!- sacho [~sacho@95-42-67-174.btc-net.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:53:54 towards* 17:55:42 loading hunchentoot seems to fail. rfc2388 lib's maintainer's name has characters my sbcl won't handle 17:55:49 what was the problem, again? 17:56:21 stassats`: Duplication of effort, lack of standardization for things that didn't make it into the first standardization process. FFI, sockets, etc. 17:56:34 guaqua: it's utf-8, make sure your sbcl uses it 17:56:51 stassats`: would've thought that's the default 17:56:56 it's not 17:57:03 hnngh 17:57:09 guaqua: only if you have a utf-8 environment, I think. 17:57:14 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 17:57:17 nanoc [~conanhome@201-251-62-201.static.speedy.com.ar] has joined #lisp 17:57:23 ChibaPet: some people don't think that these things should be standardized 17:57:33 mine *should* be all unicode 17:58:06 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-192-142.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:58:30 oh well, went the easy way. just removed all non-ascii. must figure this out at some later time 17:58:50 stassats`: My only point would be when I first started looking at how to support non-blocking sockets in a portable way, I found that there was no real portable way. That sort of thing is an impediment to adoption. 17:59:39 i do specify this: :coding-system utf-8-unix in my slime-lisp-implementations 17:59:55 it's for slime 18:00:16 ChibaPet: iolib does the job for me 18:00:40 stassats`: And that's where I was pointed, but then folks made noises about it not working well on Windows, for instance. 18:00:59 i don't care for windows, for instance 18:01:05 that's why this stuff can't be standardized. 18:01:06 I'm looking at it from the other side: I don't really mind writing sbcl-specific code. But I want to be able to use the vast library of existing third-party CL libs. Of course, those libs are not sbcl-only, nor should they be. So, they all depend on some portability layer for something-or-other. 18:01:12 there's always a broken platform 18:01:27 :sb-unicode is in *features* ... 18:01:40 Nor do I. I actively dislike Windows. But if I want a cross-platform solution, I want it mean more than "We do GNU/Linux *and* BSD-derivatives." 18:01:43 This stuff *can* be standardized -- it doesn't have to be a single impl that works across all platforms, it has to be a single API. 18:02:02 gabnet [~gabnet@ACaen-257-1-31-234.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 18:02:03 ChibaPet: then help make iolib better on windows 18:02:22 foom: windows didn't even have an api for sockets in the 3.11 days. 18:02:29 that's after the CLHS 18:02:45 i don't see how the standardization would exempt people from actually implementing things 18:02:45 (there was an api, but third party) 18:02:57 stassats`: My desire for standardization and cross-platform compatibility is in a large part so that I can do sane things and have them work on Windows without my having to pay any more attention to Windows than that. :P 18:03:10 so, my point is: there's always a platform which can't implement the standard one way or another. 18:03:22 then, if that's the "standard" what good is a standard? 18:03:25 ChibaPet: so, you're only interested in talk? 18:03:29 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 18:03:31 eh 18:03:39 CL-USER> sb-impl::*default-external-format* => :US-ASCII 18:03:40 ChibaPet: develop on ABCL 18:03:43 is this it? 18:03:54 windows supports sockets now. and threads. and unicode. 18:04:00 guaqua: yes, it means it's not utf-8 18:04:02 stassats`: No, you must not have read what I just said. Let me put it a different way. I don't wish to do anything to support Windows, but I want that support made available to me with no effort. 18:04:03 someone knows how i rapidly get some app working which plots 200 values per second 18:04:07 guaqua: set LANG accordingly 18:04:19 ChibaPet: and i want a pony 18:04:39 stassats`: You're more likely to end up with a pony than I am to end up with what I want, for what it's worth. :P 18:04:49 Vutral: yes. someone does. :-) 18:04:50 SrPx [b18565cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.177.133.101.203] has joined #lisp 18:05:12 ChibaPet: nope. develop on ABCL. 18:05:13 Any suggestion to start learning List, for an experienced programmer? 18:05:16 I mean, Python runs great on windows, for example. 18:05:35 minion: please tell SrPx about PCL 18:05:35 SrPx: please look at PCL: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 18:05:44 SrPx: and join #clnoobs :D 18:06:05 okay? 18:06:08 So, anyway, right now I can go out and build against Qt and I get everything I want. Maybe that means I can get what I want to Smoke or whatever mechanism folks use to integrate Qt. (ehu: I'm not a JVM fan or I'd give more time to Clojure.) 18:06:41 tensorpudding [~michael@99.23.125.6] has joined #lisp 18:06:42 ChibaPet: my point is: others have done that work. Use it. 18:07:01 I'm thankful but is there a more compact tutorial, though? Just some examples of the overall syntax will do it ... 18:07:13 the jvm is one big portability layer 18:07:13 SrPx: you want to learn it or what? 18:07:47 stassats`: thanks a bunch! mac dumbness, this is :( 18:07:56 stassats`: there's too much unrelated info on this tutorial, I'm being honest. 18:08:06 it's not a tutorial 18:08:08 would've never happened on linux, sane defaults 18:08:15 SrPx: never heard anybody say that about PCL. 18:08:17 book* 18:08:20 SrPx: it's a book to learn Common Lisp 18:08:24 SrPx: Here, try this: http://www.lisperati.com/casting.html 18:08:40 and this one is for kids 18:08:51 you won't learn Common Lisp with it 18:09:01 Fare [~Fare@216.239.55.82] has joined #lisp 18:09:06 massive. fixed the problem 18:09:20 guaqua: it could happen everywhere 18:09:30 s/everywhere/anywhere/ 18:09:38 yeah. when you start programs from the gui, this tends to happen :/ 18:09:39 stassats`: He might decide to shell out for a book after reading it. 18:09:48 Hello Fare. 18:10:00 i start the window manager via .xsession on linux so i normally set these things there 18:10:59 Fare: Where will you put your photos from yesterday? 18:11:40 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:13:44 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 18:15:24 Fare: http://paste.lisp.org/display/129508 18:17:50 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:18:13 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@181.132.179.139] has joined #lisp 18:18:30 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@181.132.179.139] has quit [Changing host] 18:18:30 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has joined #lisp 18:20:54 Siphonblast [~Siphonbla@c-98-210-95-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:21:37 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@188-143-65-33.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #lisp 18:21:37 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@188-143-65-33.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Changing host] 18:21:37 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 18:31:58 nyef 18:32:00 hi 18:32:02 yay 18:32:24 ebw` [~user@krlh-4d0372e8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 18:32:33 Aside from the two-line comment at the top about grovelled constants, that's a literal copy-paste from what I'm running over here. 18:33:51 There's another bit about (add-fd-handler (create-signalfd '(#.sigterm)) :input #'handle-sigterm), but that should be easy for you to work out for yourself. 18:35:05 Xach: can you send me email to remind me to send it this weekend? The camera is home. 18:35:07 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:35:11 I intend to put it all on picasa 18:35:31 nyef: what about the case where we have to emulate signalfd, e.g. on BSD? 18:35:49 then we're not blocking the signal, but handling it from a small C library. 18:36:00 (aka libfixposix) 18:36:15 Xach: thanks for yesterday 18:36:26 -!- ebw [~user@krlh-4d0340cf.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:37:15 Xach: regarding an xcvb tarball... should I just name it xcvb-${version}.tar.gz and your scripts will find it? Or need I have a symlink with a fixed name? 18:37:54 Fare: a fixed name is easiest for me. 18:38:16 FreeArtMan [~fam@93.177.213.54] has joined #lisp 18:38:24 Fare: Once IGNORE-SIGTERM is run, the SBCL runtime will no longer pitch a fit about the signal being blocked / unblocked / whatever. You just can't call into lisp from the handler anymore. 18:38:34 Or do anything with the lisp heap spaces, really. 18:40:40 minion: do you use iolib? 18:40:41 here i am, brain the size of a planet, and all i do is answer your silly questions all day... maybe you have time to use iolib 18:42:02 nyef: OK 18:43:20 Annotated your paste with these comments: http://paste.lisp.org/+2RXG/1 18:43:48 antgreen [user@nat/redhat/x-wpkzpciwascwbbhf] has joined #lisp 18:43:59 stassats`, btw, thanks for being quick at updating sbcl with the latest asdf, btw. 18:44:40 no problem, btw 18:45:14 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl6-181-48.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 18:45:16 So if I'm understanding this well, Lisp is pretty much the language with the minimal syntax available. You can also do almost anything other languages do with advanced syntax by just using it's functions correctly? 18:45:42 I'd say that honor goes to forth 18:46:00 Not unlambda? 18:46:05 where the syntax is literally space-delimited words 18:46:21 well, there's whitespace too 18:46:31 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 18:46:32 but people actually use forth 18:46:39 what about whitespace? it's one of the languages with least syntax around. 18:46:46 hmm 18:46:51 hah. beat ya to it :) 18:47:04 only operator-applying syntax is minimal, other syntax in cl is usual 18:47:21 But Lisp is pretty much a language that is independent of computer, memory, etc., is not it? 18:47:43 Hardware-optional! 18:47:57 SrPx: you can run any language in your head 18:48:23 LOL@whitespace!? 18:48:30 HQ9+ ? 18:48:30 SrPx: It's a language like any other, with some advantages from its consistency (if you ignore LOOP) and a fairly high-level vantage point with regard to memory management and such. 18:48:46 if you ignore LOOP? 18:48:52 loop is consistent 18:49:00 stassats`: Just not with CL. 18:49:05 but it is not lispy 18:49:08 it's in CL 18:49:12 so, it's consistent 18:49:19 In Whitespace, spaces are significant (just like in Python). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_%28programming_language%29 18:50:46 nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-219-130-105.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 18:57:04 Whitespace isn't nearly as cool as https://github.com/gueststar/Ursala https://github.com/gueststar/Ursala/blob/master/doc/manual.pdf?raw=true 18:58:25 saschakb [~skbierm@p4FEA0DC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:58:45 -!- sacho_ [~sacho@95-42-67-174.btc-net.bg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:59:16 sacho_ [~sacho@95-42-67-174.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 19:07:14 I've just installed common lisp, is there a way to make this start the console with white background instead? (eye problems) http://pastebin.com/wU66yReU 19:07:40 GCL? 19:07:55 really? who told you to get GCL? 19:07:56 yes 19:08:02 everyone ;s 19:08:09 it's the worst choice possible you could've made 19:08:20 so how do I get started with lisp? 19:08:23 Can't be the worst choice possible. 19:08:25 I've not really made a choice, just downloaded it 19:09:06 SrPx: get a decent implementation first, like Clozure Common Lisp 19:09:10 GCL is not a good implementation of Common Lisp, relative to everything else available now. 19:09:25 Xach: i doubt it even implements CL fully 19:09:37 Even CLISP is better 19:09:39 SrPx: and slime 19:09:42 and quicklisp 19:10:00 http://mohiji.nfshost.com/2011/01/modern-common-lisp-on-windows/ has a guide, though it recommends clisp instead of clozure 19:10:13 Okay, googling, but what are those 19:10:35 they are implementations of common lisp 19:10:45 except for slime and quicklisp 19:11:41 Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #lisp 19:11:52 And what are those? 19:12:08 you have google, don't you? 19:13:27 what happened to gcl? 19:13:40 dekuked: nothing 19:13:57 GCL saw activity of a sort as recently as two years ago. 19:16:14 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl6-181-48.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 19:16:34 -!- FreeArtMan [~fam@93.177.213.54] has quit [Quit: Out of this 3D] 19:16:43 H4ns: I've abused your xml-class some more. take a look and see if you still recognize if you get a chance. 19:22:28 -!- Vivitron` [~user@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:24:13 Vivitron` [~user@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:24:32 tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.23.123.173] has joined #lisp 19:25:26 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.23.125.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:26:33 dekuked` [~user@pool-108-20-217-59.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:27:02 -!- adu [~ajr@ip-64-134-96-117.public.wayport.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 19:27:21 -!- ngz [~user@103.69.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:27:42 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 19:27:46 -!- dekuked [~user@pool-108-20-217-59.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:36:58 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 19:38:47 the latest debian gcl can't compile asdf. 19:41:32 [SLB] [~slabua@host67-61-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 19:41:33 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@host67-61-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 19:41:34 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 19:43:28 asvil [~asvil@178.121.41.137] has joined #lisp 19:49:14 -!- Fare [~Fare@216.239.55.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:50:55 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-253-53.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:51:17 -!- b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@178.77.1.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:53:44 /join #freenode 19:54:04 treyka [~treyka@85.234.199.185] has joined #lisp 19:54:13 -!- corburn [~corburn@24-121-174-145.npg.sta.suddenlink.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:58:54 -!- pnq [~nick@AC8242A6.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:59:05 -!- dekuked` [~user@pool-108-20-217-59.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 19:59:21 felideon [~felideon@184.170.255.36] has joined #lisp 19:59:50 dekuked` [~user@pool-108-20-217-59.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:00:51 slyrus: i looked at it briefly, good to see it be used. i wrote it for a prototype that got discarded. 20:07:40 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@212.64.103.87.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 20:08:05 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@212.64.103.87.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Client Quit] 20:08:38 -!- shizzy0 [~user@c-24-91-161-73.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08:55 -!- edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:09:53 sacho [~sacho@95-42-67-174.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 20:10:55 -!- adeht [void@flash.ignite.lol.vc] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10:59 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:12:05 -!- gabnet [~gabnet@ACaen-257-1-31-234.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #lisp 20:12:50 -!- sacho_ [~sacho@95-42-67-174.btc-net.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:17:08 -!- moah [~moah@dslb-188-109-144-218.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #lisp 20:17:42 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:17:47 MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-133-16.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 20:18:28 _death [void@flash.ignite.lol.vc] has joined #lisp 20:18:33 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-219-130-105.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:19:25 gabnet [~gabnet@ACaen-257-1-31-234.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 20:20:36 rdd [~rdd@c83-250-153-3.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 20:23:11 -!- nanoc [~conanhome@201-251-62-201.static.speedy.com.ar] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 20:24:08 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@2.49.96.76] has quit [Quit: Kron awayyy!] 20:24:14 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:24:44 um, is there a good collection of .emacs configured to work with cl? I want to try cool emacs stuff :P 20:25:43 s0ber_ [~s0ber@114-36-246-23.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:25:52 Fare [~Fare@216.239.55.82] has joined #lisp 20:28:05 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-25-201-216.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:28:11 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 20:33:05 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@pool-70-22-217-21.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:34:25 use slime and install paredit, done. 20:35:39 is there an easy way to load previous commands in slime? the up button moves the command up, which is kind of not what I'm used to for a repl 20:36:31 M-p 20:37:28 tyson1 [~Ian@bas1-toronto06-1096637508.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 20:38:44 -!- sacho [~sacho@95-42-67-174.btc-net.bg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39:12 sacho [~sacho@95-42-67-174.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 20:39:35 nyef, tali713: thanks! 20:40:27 And I'll second the recommendation for paredit. 20:40:49 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 20:41:14 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@h164n1-m-sp-d4.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:44:24 guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:45:12 -!- tyson1 [~Ian@bas1-toronto06-1096637508.dsl.bell.ca] has left #lisp 20:47:35 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-174-10.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:48:06 -!- antgreen [user@nat/redhat/x-wpkzpciwascwbbhf] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:50:47 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@108.60.121.114] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 20:56:27 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 20:59:59 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 21:01:16 pnq [~nick@ACA23185.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 21:01:56 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.165] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:02:27 -!- zanoni [quassel@nat/indt/x-ccfcdgcgndothbli] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05:24 -!- asvil [~asvil@178.121.41.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:05:24 -!- BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-057-247.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:05:49 BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-057-247.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:05:56 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.92.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:07:07 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.94.185] has joined #lisp 21:09:28 Guthur [~user@host86-173-124-202.range86-173.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 21:09:30 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129184005.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 21:14:29 -!- francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:15:54 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:16:18 -!- Posterdati [~tapioca@host13-229-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:16:46 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053005029.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:19:27 francogrex [~user@109.130.19.93] has joined #lisp 21:20:39 -!- n1nt4tsn0k|1 [~nitnatsno@178.47.227.220] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22:25 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:26:07 apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:27:16 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.19.93] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:27:52 impomatic [~digital_w@227.127.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 21:28:10 Posterdati [~tapioca@host85-230-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 21:29:28 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:30:51 rillo2 [~patrick@p5DD6A25F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:30:54 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@46.28.98.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:32:58 -!- impomatic [~digital_w@227.127.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: http://retroprogramming.com] 21:33:49 -!- apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 21:37:01 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d013076.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39:10 corburn [~corburn@24-121-174-145.npg.sta.suddenlink.net] has joined #lisp 21:40:31 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@12.132.197.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:41:16 -!- corburn [~corburn@24-121-174-145.npg.sta.suddenlink.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:42:17 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:45:17 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 21:45:37 dekuked`: M-p for prev, M-n for next. M-p also works after you type in a prefix, so you can search history for a particular command 21:47:24 lutok [~Lucky@ip98-169-240-101.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 21:47:33 -!- lutok [~Lucky@ip98-169-240-101.dc.dc.cox.net] has left #lisp 21:49:05 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:50:33 [SLB] [~slabua@host67-61-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 21:50:34 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@host67-61-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 21:50:34 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 21:52:05 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@200.54.109.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:53:25 -!- Siphonblast [~Siphonbla@c-98-210-95-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:54:51 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 21:55:58 jawhn [~jawhn@rrcs-24-123-106-250.central.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:56:27 -!- jawhn [~jawhn@rrcs-24-123-106-250.central.biz.rr.com] has left #lisp 22:02:11 tritchey [~tritchey@76-220-32-249.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:03:39 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@76-220-32-249.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has left #lisp 22:06:27 -!- rillo2 [~patrick@p5DD6A25F.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 22:07:32 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:14:39 -!- dekuked` [~user@pool-108-20-217-59.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:14:47 -!- TimKack [~user@46.194.175.26] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:40 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:23:54 -!- EvilTosha-ub [~eviltosha@isa1.alpha-pc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:28:09 -!- Fare [~Fare@216.239.55.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:29:22 -!- jdz [~jdz@host229-71-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Byebye.] 22:32:08 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:35:50 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA23185.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:36:42 (defun aaa (l) ((first l) 3)) 22:36:45 why this won't work? 22:36:58 Supposed to return a list with the first element of l and 3 22:37:14 Err... `(,(first l) 3) 22:37:18 sacho_ [~sacho@95-42-67-174.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 22:37:22 Or (list (first l) 3) 22:37:22 ,? 22:38:25 -!- rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:38:28 comma not inside backquote 22:38:51 ... Not with what I posted. 22:38:54 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:39:01 That thing before the first paren was a backquote. 22:39:19 oh god 22:39:44 A more normal way is (list (first l) 3) 22:39:55 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-012.vpn.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 22:39:58 "l" is a pretty bad name for a variable. very easy to confuse with 1 or I 22:40:13 Xach: just trying to figure out the things 22:40:17 "list" is better 22:40:21 -!- sacho [~sacho@95-42-67-174.btc-net.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:40:28 Xach: what do ` and , do ? 22:41:10 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.163.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:41:13 SrPx: it's syntax for a kind of template system 22:41:24 SrPx: If I were you, I would not bother with it yet. 22:43:09 hmm 22:43:24 '(1 2 myList) 22:43:31 if myList is (1 2 3) this will be 22:43:34 (1 2 (1 2 3)) 22:43:40 "myList", bah 22:43:43 how to make it be (1 2 1 2 3) instead 22:43:57 SrPx: have you read practical common lisp yet? 22:44:22 I'm reading it just now, stopped a little bit to play with the list 22:47:26 -!- kilon_alios [~kilon@188.4.72.173.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:32 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@pool-70-22-217-21.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:49:51 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:50:48 nydel [~nydel@wsip-70-166-32-108.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:51:16 *stassats`* set on a journey to write his first method-combination 22:51:31 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 22:51:55 huangjs [~huangjs@200.54.109.17] has joined #lisp 22:55:29 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-253-53.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 22:56:12 SrPx: '(1 2 myList) evalutes to (1 2 MYLIST), not (1 2 (1 2 3)) 22:56:29 (list 1 2 myList) would evaluate to (1 2 (1 2 3)) 22:56:36 wops, this 22:56:38 (list* 1 2 myList) would evaluate to (1 2 1 2 3) 22:56:57 list*? 22:57:11 homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-192-142.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:57:23 list* 22:59:36 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.112.91] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:03:45 why did movitz not get developed further ? 23:04:47 homie: because of the global economic recession 23:08:06 alright, got me a new shiny CONCAT method combination 23:08:06 hmmm 23:08:25 timack [~timack@hlfx50-2-142177100192.ppp-dynamic.dial.ns.bellaliant.net] has joined #lisp 23:08:46 :cls command fails in los0 image created via sbcl 23:09:10 but every other works, apart from the annoying kbd qwerty layout..... 23:09:19 and it did boot! 23:09:21 heh 23:09:32 booted into with qemu 23:09:48 can you watch youtube videos on it? 23:09:54 no 23:09:55 lol 23:10:02 then it's not ready 23:11:18 what a shame, no porn support! 23:11:19 lol 23:12:58 magnet porn, north pole doing south and vice versa.... 23:13:02 lol 23:13:28 you can stop saying "lol" 23:14:45 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@xdsl-77-86-196-131.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:14:46 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16:46 *stassats`* is not sure on actually using CONCAT mc, because sometimes i want a different order 23:17:19 i added a :single qualifier, which stops from concatenating further methods, but it's not enough 23:18:36 maybe there're not that many exceptions, though 23:21:58 -!- gabnet [~gabnet@ACaen-257-1-31-234.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 23:23:52 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:26:06 edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 23:29:59 -!- Guthur [~user@host86-173-124-202.range86-173.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:30:59 -!- timack [~timack@hlfx50-2-142177100192.ppp-dynamic.dial.ns.bellaliant.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:32:00 timor101 [~icke@port-92-195-64-36.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 23:33:21 -!- edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:34:12 edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 23:34:58 pnq [~nick@ACA31A99.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 23:39:12 -!- ozzloy is now known as newname 23:39:17 -!- newname is now known as ozzloy 23:40:05 peterhil [~peterhil@xdsl-77-86-196-131.nebulazone.fi] has joined #lisp 23:41:12 hm, it's actually not so bad, so, basically, what i'm doing is i have a method DESCRIPTION which provides a textual description for an object, some classes share the same description, so i can have (defmethod description concat ((x dated-class)) (date x)) and several (defmethod description concat ((x subclass)) "some-description") 23:41:37 and the result is "19 May 2012 description" 23:42:54 ur5us [~ur5us@253.194.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has joined #lisp 23:45:26 -!- edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:45:35 and i also can call it (description object :combine nil) to just get "some-description" 23:46:52 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@200.54.109.17] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:51:25 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:53:11 -!- timor101 [~icke@port-92-195-64-36.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:56:44 francisl [~flavoie@bas1-montreal48-1176432531.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 23:59:11 -!- fsgxdroid [~fsgxdroid@112.244.35.213.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]