00:05:21 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@dhcp-140-247-179-53.fas.harvard.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:05:51 Is there something like a named loop for CL? 00:06:06 (loop named name) 00:06:42 (i have no idea what a named loop for not CL is) 00:07:12 -!- sacho [~sacho@79-100-60-238.btc-net.bg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:07:42 sacho [~sacho@79-100-60-238.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 00:07:47 stassats: (let my-loop ((i 42)) (if (null i) t (my-loop (1- i)))) 00:08:03 s/null/zerop 00:08:12 CL doesn't need such silliness 00:08:16 I see. 00:08:29 didi: I think you want LABELS? 00:08:30 DaDaDOSPrompt [~DaDaDOSPr@184.99.7.19] has joined #lisp 00:08:41 Bike: It's what I'm using, actually. 00:09:21 (labels ((my-loop (i) (if (zerop i) t (my-loop (1- i))))) (my-loop 42)) 00:09:22 So why the question? 00:09:28 Bike: Exploration. 00:09:50 i think you want LOOP, (loop for i from 42 downto 0 ...) 00:10:00 labels is just as silly 00:10:03 for this 00:10:06 -!- shizzy0 [~user@c-24-91-161-73.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:10:33 or (do ((i 42 (1- i))) ((zerop i) t) #| Something |#) 00:10:38 well, yeah, I assume didi's example is supposed to be stripped down. 00:10:38 stassats: :^) It's just an example. It's more about computing a local, recursive, function. 00:10:40 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.202] has joined #lisp 00:10:44 In case you hate loop 00:10:54 Nah, /me likes loop. 00:11:03 didi: that's just what labels is for. I'm not sure why Scheme stuck that in the let mechanism, really. 00:11:06 I still don't know how I feel about it.. 00:11:56 Bike: considering that they have letrec 00:12:15 and thump fists on the chest saying "we're smaller than CL" 00:14:57 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has quit [Quit: #WeeChat #Mises #emacs] 00:16:58 -!- scottj [~scott@206.212.250.58] has left #lisp 00:18:16 Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has joined #lisp 00:25:00 Is it possible to destruct a struct, like we can destruct a list with (destructuring-bind (foo bar) foobar ...)? 00:25:14 xyxu [~Adium@58.41.12.190] has joined #lisp 00:25:15 hitecnologys [~noname@94.137.18.82] has joined #lisp 00:25:24 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-176-27.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 00:26:47 if your struct is a list 00:26:51 otherwise, no 00:26:58 use a class instead 00:27:02 -!- fukushima [~fukushima@z128.124-44-151.ppp.wakwak.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:31:12 -!- vervic [~vervic@vie-188-118-255-030.dsl.sil.at] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:31:36 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:32:14 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.169.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:33:10 can't you use with-slots for structures, too? 00:34:17 vervic [~vervic@vie-188-118-255-030.dsl.sil.at] has joined #lisp 00:35:47 antifuchs: nope 00:37:38 felideon [~felideon@184.170.255.36] has joined #lisp 00:41:35 -!- saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA123E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:42:36 saschakb [~skbierm@p4FEA123E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 00:46:08 -!- harish [~harish@cm50.beta157.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:52:01 -!- booyaa` [~booyaa@adsl-67-121-157-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:52:14 didi: you can use with-accessors, or write your own destructuring-struct-bind macro. 00:53:20 fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.5.148] has joined #lisp 00:54:32 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@108.60.121.114] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:54:50 -!- blackwolf [~blackwolf@ool-4575fc51.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:54:55 blackwolf [~blackwolf@ool-4575fc51.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 00:54:58 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@108.60.121.114] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 00:55:03 pjb: it's not specified to work with structs either 00:55:25 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:56:49 jfleming [~jfleming@46.243.25.78] has joined #lisp 00:57:22 stassats: defstruct talks of accessors. with-accessors should work with them AFAIK. 00:57:34 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 00:57:48 clhs says that it's "affected by defclass" 00:58:08 This is not exhaustive. 00:59:20 But I'd agree with you it looks like it's defined to work only on CLOS instances, and to access slots. 00:59:30 and it appears in the "objects" section 00:59:47 In practice, all the definitions of with-accessors I've see work as soon as you have a reader function and a (setf writer) function. 01:00:00 s/see/seen/ 01:00:27 But indeed, to be sure you'd better define your own "with-accessors*" or other macro. 01:00:40 if going by what it should expand into, then it should work 01:01:27 and it should work with (with-accessors ((x car)) (list 1 2 3)) 01:01:39 Well, the point is that it could be implemented differently. Eg. as a special operator working directly with the instance and defering or optimizing slot access. 01:02:30 and it appears to work on all implementations 01:05:02 prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-590c326b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 01:08:01 so, before it's not too late, i propose to infiltrate your programs with (with-accessors ((x getf)) plist) before the implementors realize it and shut it down 01:08:14 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75eded.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:08:27 s/getf/something-else/ 01:10:22 -!- Fade [~fade@66.207.216.43] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:11:35 jacius [~jacius@c-24-13-89-230.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:11:45 fade [~fade@outrider.deepsky.com] has joined #lisp 01:13:14 -!- fade is now known as Fade 01:16:18 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has joined #lisp 01:21:19 That would be worth a CDR at least :-) 01:21:39 -!- hitecnologys [~noname@94.137.18.82] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:21:54 -!- edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:23:54 i'm not sure as to uses 01:25:31 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:26:53 ianmcorvidae|alt [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 01:26:57 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:27:00 -!- ianmcorvidae|alt [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:27:12 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-72-79-223-53.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:27:12 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-72-79-223-53.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 01:27:12 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 01:27:53 kmee [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has joined #lisp 01:29:15 I deleted a package, modified package.lisp, tried to reload a system and I got "There is no package named "XY". what's up with that? 01:29:43 It's a girl. 01:30:14 you didn't load package.lisp 01:30:19 kmee: try to read what you write, and to find an answer! 01:30:44 stassats why not? I modified package.lisp and reloaded a system that depends on that package 01:31:03 and package.lisp is a top dependency 01:31:12 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:32:28 if it's loaded, then you messed up the package name 01:32:31 kmee: so you did (delete-package "A-PACKAGE") edited package.lisp so that it contains (defpackage "TOTO" (:use "XY")) and load it and you're suprized to get that error? 01:32:39 kmee: my advice: get a good night sleep. 01:32:58 pjb I never said I renamed the package 01:33:13 You said you modified package.lisp. Anything goes! 01:33:27 I didn't say I used RENAME-PACKAGE ! 01:33:47 -!- mtd_ is now known as mtd 01:34:03 package has the same name 01:34:16 obviously 01:34:21 and I'm getting above error 01:34:50 are you loading the right system? 01:34:56 yes 01:35:01 are all dependencies correct? 01:35:10 yes. I have just two files 01:35:17 two .lisp files and .asd 01:35:39 You keep not saying anything useful to help you! 01:35:58 We're led to believe you do not want to be helped. 01:36:05 and the second file has :depends-on ("package")? 01:36:10 I'm led to believe you don't want to help 01:36:28 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has joined #lisp 01:37:16 no. .asd file has :components ((:file "package") (:file "other-file"))) 01:37:32 sometimes #lisp reminds me of the glory days of #linuxhelp on austnet 01:37:45 kmee: does defsystem has :serial t? 01:37:50 yes 01:37:59 are you sure? 01:38:07 yes 01:38:55 in the right place? 01:39:37 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has joined #lisp 01:39:51 you're asking me same question three times. I have :serial t 01:40:01 and it's in the right place 01:40:16 How can we be sure? 01:40:21 kmee: Calm dude. Pasting stuff helps. 01:40:29 kmee: do you have any idea how we could be sure? 01:41:14 Perhaps, if we keep asking questions, getting 1 bit or 1/2 bit of information for each answer, eventually we may reconstruct your sources 01:41:45 -!- pnathan [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:41:54 -!- nha [~prefect@g225164195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:43:33 did you make your package depend on itself> 01:43:36 ? 01:43:41 harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-watvaqsqnociblde] has joined #lisp 01:43:51 like (defpackage foo (:use :foo)) 01:45:04 and did you save the file? 01:46:33 give me a moment 01:48:33 i created new package/system, same thing 01:48:34 http://paste.lisp.org/display/129475 01:49:10 im loading the system, deleting package, modifying package.lisp, and after reloading the system again package is not recreated 01:49:44 kmee: did you change your clock recently? 01:49:50 no 01:50:31 kmee: what is (asdf:asdf-version ) ? 01:50:51 "2.014" 01:51:15 and an unrelated protip, (asdf:defsystem #:foo) is the same as (defsystem foo) 01:51:34 holycow [~fekoff@69.172.160.67] has joined #lisp 01:52:07 kmee: do (asdf:system-definition-pathname :foo), does it show the same file? 01:52:35 holycow_ [~fekoff@69.172.160.67] has joined #lisp 01:52:39 it does 01:53:16 how do you modify it? 01:54:19 and how do you reload the system? 01:55:15 Demosthenes [~demo@med2c36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #lisp 01:55:40 and what's the airspeed of the unladen swallow, african? 01:56:16 85 km/h ? 01:56:30 found what's causing it. you have to actually change the file to be reloaded, not just resave it 01:56:35 nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-244-33.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:58:12 it's enough 01:58:25 enough to just resave it? 01:58:27 not in here 01:58:38 what's your editor? 01:58:47 emacs 01:59:08 how do you resave in emacs? 02:00:38 I did :w (using vim emulator). it didn't include (No changes need to be saved) echo in minibuffer 02:01:06 add a space and then delete it, and then use your vimy contraption 02:01:43 yes I did it earlier, works fine now 02:02:55 also just found about asdf:clear-system. no need to mess with package.lisp that way 02:03:23 ,reload-system in slime 02:05:11 yeah even better. thanks! 02:07:53 -!- prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-590c326b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:08:08 would be useful if ,reload-system deleted all the packages as well, to remove unused symbols after refactoring 02:13:04 not really 02:17:08 what's common lisp's equivalent of elisp's put? 02:18:28 Kron_ [~Kron@2.49.64.170] has joined #lisp 02:19:33 clhs put 02:19:33 Sorry, I couldn't find anything for put. 02:19:51 clhs get 02:19:51 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_get.htm 02:19:56 setf get 02:20:08 ^^ 02:20:34 or rather, "don't use symbols properties" 02:24:08 stassats: i see. 02:25:57 pnathan [~Adium@64.126.141.244] has joined #lisp 02:26:09 CLHS is so good. 02:30:59 VieiraN [~VieiraN@177.103.137.177] has joined #lisp 02:32:12 stassats: any reason symbols properties is discouraged? 02:35:32 mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has joined #lisp 02:36:19 when would you have both a value and a plist? whenever I need a list, I put a list into the value 02:37:14 plus, if I understand things correctly, plists always have dynamic extent 02:37:38 -!- mutley89 [~mutley89@cpc1-hudd6-0-0-cust741.4-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:38:55 erm, global extent 02:39:26 -!- kmee [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has quit [Quit: quit] 02:39:55 Phoodus: ok, thanks. 02:42:48 -!- nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:44:03 Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has joined #lisp 02:44:47 leo2007: because there are hashtables 02:44:58 -!- dekuked [~user@pool-108-20-217-59.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:49:51 mutley89 [~mutley89@cpc10-hudd10-2-0-cust160.4-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 02:50:40 -!- graspee [~graspee@02dd1c10.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: no time like the present] 02:51:18 -!- mensch [~mensch@c-67-189-240-148.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:55:29 tritchey [~tritchey@ip-64-134-226-126.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 02:57:15 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.5.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:58:11 Phoodus: p-lists are data structures. How could they have "global extent"? This is meaning less for data structure! 02:58:46 They could have a dynamic extent, but you cannot generalize, as any data structure, they could be allocated and forgotten at any time! 02:59:37 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:00:15 Yuuhi` [benni@p5483A06E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 03:00:55 -!- VieiraN [~VieiraN@177.103.137.177] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:02:19 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483A01D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:07:24 -!- harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-watvaqsqnociblde] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:08:27 gko [~gko@59-120-37-164.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 03:11:26 kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has joined #lisp 03:11:29 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-72-54.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:13:19 kennyd [~kennyd@78-1-141-142.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 03:14:01 slyrus [~chatzilla@12.132.197.125] has joined #lisp 03:20:23 saschakb` [~skbierm@p4FEA004D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 03:20:28 -!- dlowe [dlowe@digital.sanctuary.org] has left #lisp 03:20:31 dlowe [dlowe@digital.sanctuary.org] has joined #lisp 03:21:49 xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.195] has joined #lisp 03:23:48 -!- saschakb [~skbierm@p4FEA123E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:24:22 DDR_ [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-231.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 03:26:42 -!- DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-231.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:26:48 -!- DDR_ is now known as DDR 03:28:20 fukushima [~fukushima@z128.124-44-151.ppp.wakwak.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 03:36:07 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:37:45 -!- DataLinkDroid [~David@1.157.250.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:37:46 kevin01123 [~user@97-91-232-86.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 03:38:33 xecycle [~user@202.120.55.140] has joined #lisp 03:39:31 I wrote a macro to wrap another macro, is it better to expand it when defining it? And how? 03:39:52 No. 03:40:06 (defmacro m2 (args) `(m1 ,args)) 03:40:21 (defmacro m1 (args) `(progn ,args)) 03:40:32 Thanks. May I ask why? 03:41:09 xecycle: expanding it would be similar to copy and paste the compiled binary of a function into the source. It would be dumb. 03:41:54 pjb: But if I don't expand it, doesn't it get expanded more than one time? 03:42:10 What? 03:42:32 (macroexpand-1 '(m2 args)) -> (m1 args) 03:42:38 You can also write recursive macro that are expanded more than one time. 03:43:51 harish [~harish@119.234.0.28] has joined #lisp 03:43:57 -!- felideon [~felideon@184.170.255.36] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 03:44:17 If I have (defmacro m2 (args) `(lambda (a) (m1 ,args a))), is m1 expanded at runtime? 03:44:28 no 03:45:14 Thanks. How did the compiler do this? I see the output of macroexpand(-1) doesn't expand that. 03:45:21 xecycle: see http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/03_bbb.htm 03:46:29 Ah, so it recurse into the forms, right? And macroexpand in this case is not reliable, right? 03:46:47 It only does part of the job. 03:46:52 xecycle: #+clisp ext:expand-form 03:47:10 Thanks. 03:47:33 DataLinkDroid [~David@1.136.167.163] has joined #lisp 03:47:55 -!- kevin01123 [~user@97-91-232-86.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:50:56 Hussaind [~hussain@115.124.115.71] has joined #lisp 03:51:06 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 03:51:09 -!- Hussaind [~hussain@115.124.115.71] has left #lisp 03:54:18 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:54:29 bamaung [~user@119.75.40.26] has joined #lisp 03:58:51 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.94.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:59:43 lemoinem [~swoog@228-91-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has joined #lisp 04:05:16 isn't it possible to unintern keyword symbol? (unintern :foo) didn't do it 04:05:19 -!- fukushima [~fukushima@z128.124-44-151.ppp.wakwak.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 04:05:29 Are you sure? 04:06:03 -!- wtetzner [~wtetzner@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:06:13 -!- DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-231.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:06:33 kennyd: yes, it seenms that unintern is ineffective on keywords: (let ((k :foo)) (unintern k) (eq k (intern "FOO" "KEYWORD"))) returns T on all the implementations I have here. 04:06:36 yes. (find-symbol "FOO" :keyword) => :FOO 04:06:51 pnq [~nick@AC8111BB.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 04:07:37 not sure why keyword symbols are special in this regard 04:08:05 I don't remember anything special about unintern of symbols. But then, there's no reason to unintern them. 04:08:08 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:08:35 DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-231.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 04:09:17 SLIME completition listing unused keyword symbols would be one reason to unintern them 04:09:21 I'd be happy with an implementation that would make KEYWORD less ofa special case 04:10:37 n1tn4tsn0k [~nitnatsno@178.46.11.41] has joined #lisp 04:11:01 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:11:23 It's easy from slime to filter out or filter in keywords for completion. 04:12:37 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:12:49 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-72-79-223-53.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:12:50 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-72-79-223-53.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 04:12:50 ianmcorvidae 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known as kpreid 06:14:04 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 06:14:14 Are 25 lines too much for a function? 06:17:30 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 06:17:57 -!- LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@d54C06DE6.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:18:32 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:22:04 -!- Radium [~rajesh.na@117.203.14.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:23:26 didi: yes ;-) 06:23:35 :^( 06:23:42 i just wrote a 137 liner 06:23:43 *didi* is not happy 06:24:27 DataLinkDroid: 137 column line? 06:24:45 Radium [~rajesh.na@117.203.1.33] has joined #lisp 06:24:57 why are you so obsessed with counting the lines of your functions? 06:25:09 contains a macrolet, 9 flet functions, and 8 labels functions 06:25:43 DataLinkDroid: even if that function had only 17 lines, it would be too complex. 06:25:43 DataLinkDroid: Ah!, you like labels too. 06:25:55 but the body is 7 lines long 06:26:04 yep 06:26:28 irpanech0 [~user@24.68.147.165] has joined #lisp 06:27:04 H4ns: it's not too long 06:27:11 it's an ad hoc reporting function 06:28:01 the various components could be modified and factored out if needed in the future 06:28:36 but the point is that there is no point in doing that at this point :-) 06:29:13 -!- copec [~copec@64.244.102.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:30:16 copec [~copec@64.244.102.140] has joined #lisp 06:30:34 did i mention that there are ten supporting functions that *are* factored out? :) 06:30:41 mucker [~mucker@183.83.21.171] has joined #lisp 06:31:21 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:32:57 "haha" 06:37:39 and seriously, rules are there to be broken, but 06:37:46 *DataLinkDroid* loves rules 06:39:18 -!- nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:40:12 hi all. Is there tray module for stumpwm? 06:40:45 asvil: There is a modeline. 06:41:19 asvil: C-t ; mode-line 06:42:24 didi: i need one wrong app - skype) does mode-line support tray? 06:42:31 asvil: Nope. 06:42:41 asvil: You should use some other panel. 06:43:27 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 06:43:44 asvil: I've heard of people using gnome-panel, for example, but I don't use it myself. 06:44:49 -!- EarlGray^^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:45:20 didi: yes, I try to find lightweight solution, probably written by lisp/clx. 06:45:56 asvil: That could be a fun project. ;^) 06:47:27 -!- DataLinkDroid [~David@1.136.167.163] has quit [Quit: gotta go] 06:47:37 then another question, is there any docs about clx extension writing? 06:48:13 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.112.91] has joined #lisp 06:49:21 -!- xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.195] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:50:05 tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] 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joined #lisp 08:26:08 hi 08:26:58 mucker [~mucker@183.83.51.123] has joined #lisp 08:26:58 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.51.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:27:53 I'm trying to install cxml with asdf, but it fails: http://paste.lisp.org/display/129478 08:28:22 Please help me to understand what can I fix to install it. 08:31:26 nha [~prefect@g225144061.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 08:31:38 ura: maybe you should update cxml? 08:31:46 ura: or use quicklisp 08:32:18 mucker [~mucker@183.83.51.123] has joined #lisp 08:32:26 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.51.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:33:10 I don't have cxml yet, I'm just trying to install it. If it's a dated version, I don't know why asdf chose it. Thanks for hinting the quicklisp, I'll find out more about it right now. 08:33:31 Oddity- [~Oddity@d75-156-94-13.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 08:33:42 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:33:52 -!- Oddity- is now known as Oddity 08:33:54 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@d75-156-94-13.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:33:54 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 08:34:13 I tried to install cxml with (asdf-install:install 'cxml) 08:34:28 jewel [~jewel@183.62.46.82] has joined #lisp 08:34:45 ura: asdf and asdf-install are different software. and asdf-install has been superseded by quicklisp. 08:34:49 -!- kvsari [~kvsari@119-173-226-8.rev.home.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:34:50 -!- Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:34:52 tfb [~tfb@92.40.205.67.threembb.co.uk] has joined #lisp 08:34:55 benny` [~benny@i577A149A.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 08:35:24 -!- benny` is now known as benny 08:35:50 Ah now I understand, quicklisp.org website is not very helpful. I will try to "require" it probably sbcl already contains it. 08:36:15 probably it does not 08:36:25 and quicklisp.org website is very helpful. 08:36:46 and if it is not helpful for you, please tell us why. 08:37:45 I'm sorry I didn't found a links on homepage (they are styled black), I thought it was just a stub. Now I navigated deeper and reading. Thanks! 08:38:21 mucker [~mucker@183.83.51.123] has joined #lisp 08:38:39 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.51.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:41:28 -!- jewel [~jewel@183.62.46.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:42:21 *ura* finally installed cxml with quicklisp, it was pretty easy :) 08:42:23 Thanks! 08:44:04 mucker [~mucker@183.83.51.123] has joined #lisp 08:44:08 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.51.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:45:16 jdz: Here's the answer. The «now available» link is not immediately noticable. 08:45:24 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:45:50 to some people, yes. 08:46:29 i'm not sure how these people get around internets nowadays, though 08:46:49 jesusito [~user@90.165.181.186] has joined #lisp 08:47:29 It's black, and has thin underlining. I thought it's just emphasized as bold. 08:48:15 sure. poor you. 08:48:35 but we're all happy your problem is solved and now you're a happy lispnik! 08:48:42 treyka [~treyka@85.234.199.185] has joined #lisp 08:49:10 :] 08:49:27 mucker [~mucker@183.83.51.123] has joined #lisp 08:49:36 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.51.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:49:46 Yes, I am :) 08:49:54 inkjetunit [~wrwrwr@unaffiliated/inkjetunit] has joined #lisp 08:51:40 A bit more of offtopic, I just realized one more reason why link does not look like a link for me, with dashed underlining it resembles the ABBR tag (which shows a tooltip on mouseover). 08:52:10 Anyway, now it does not matter :) 08:53:29 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-212.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:53:38 -!- holycow_ [~fekoff@69.172.160.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:53:54 -!- holycow [~fekoff@69.172.160.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:54:30 mucker [~mucker@183.83.51.123] has joined #lisp 08:54:34 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-212.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:56:57 Modius``` [~user@cpe-70-123-128-240.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 08:57:38 jewel [~jewel@183.62.46.82] has joined #lisp 08:58:34 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 09:00:04 -!- Modius`` [~user@cpe-70-123-128-240.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:02:47 VieiraN [~VieiraN@177.68.152.157] has joined #lisp 09:07:59 -!- asvil [~asvil@178.121.164.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:08:26 asvil [~asvil@178.121.164.32] has joined #lisp 09:13:03 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 09:17:19 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.51.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:18:12 mucker [~mucker@183.83.51.123] has joined #lisp 09:18:31 -!- jewel [~jewel@183.62.46.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:18:38 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.51.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:18:42 -!- mutley89 [~mutley89@cpc10-hudd10-2-0-cust160.4-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:20:34 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-wspacajbebezvbyq] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:21:09 Flatlander [5b9bd29f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.155.210.159] has joined #lisp 09:23:19 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-212.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:24:01 mucker [~mucker@183.83.51.123] has joined #lisp 09:24:23 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-212.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:25:04 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:25:29 asvil` [~asvil@178.121.164.32] has joined #lisp 09:27:27 sacho_ [~sacho@79-100-60-238.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 09:29:43 -!- asvil` [~asvil@178.121.164.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:29:57 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.51.123] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:30:05 asvil` [~asvil@178.121.164.32] has joined #lisp 09:30:17 -!- asvil` [~asvil@178.121.164.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:30:19 -!- sacho [~sacho@79-100-60-238.btc-net.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:31:12 -!- vasily_pupkin [~avatar@109.86.168.179] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:31:27 -!- asvil [~asvil@178.121.164.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:31:39 asvil [~asvil@178.121.164.32] has joined #lisp 09:32:41 -!- asvil [~asvil@178.121.164.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:32:42 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 09:32:53 asvil [~asvil@178.121.164.32] has joined #lisp 09:33:29 mucker [~mucker@183.83.51.123] has joined #lisp 09:33:51 So, morning question about stumpwm tray is solved. 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Though ECL could be used to do something similar to MonoDroid. 12:21:17 Call me when you have £1k+ to pay me for doing that ^_- 12:21:50 -!- apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 12:21:59 ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #lisp 12:25:49 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.19.93] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:26:17 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:27:36 right now the biggest chance of lisp usage I have on android is parenscript or clojurescript 12:27:46 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:28:42 dialga [53c7c347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.199.195.71] has joined #lisp 12:28:57 hi. 12:29:34 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 12:29:43 dialga: hi 12:31:30 -!- nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:31:42 -!- jewel [~jewel@183.62.46.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:37:46 p_l: kawascheme works pretty well 12:40:03 -!- Guest17192 [user@nat/google/x-gazfvvikumpqwrvi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:40:48 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 12:43:48 dlowe: right, forgot about that one 12:44:56 -!- pnq [~nick@172.129.39.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:48:01 pnq [~nick@AC8127D4.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 12:48:47 jewel [~jewel@183.62.46.82] has joined #lisp 12:50:34 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@med2c36d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:53:33 potix2 [~potix2@116-65-209-206.rev.home.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 12:54:56 -!- xan_ [~xan@pc1.sakuravod-unet.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:58:13 -!- potix2 [~potix2@116-65-209-206.rev.home.ne.jp] has left #lisp 12:58:22 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:59:21 xan_ [~xan@pc1.sakuravod-unet.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 13:01:01 -!- inkjetunit [~wrwrwr@unaffiliated/inkjetunit] has quit [Quit: qqqqQQQ] 13:01:23 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 13:02:33 edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 13:03:12 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-174-240.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:05:37 -!- prip_ [~foo@host102-133-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:07:08 stlifey [~stlifey@119.121.234.210] has joined #lisp 13:07:27 -!- pnq [~nick@AC8127D4.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:07:58 -!- jewel [~jewel@183.62.46.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:08:29 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 13:10:10 "If printing an object readably is not possible, an error of type print-not-readable is signaled" 13:10:26 -!- xan_ [~xan@pc1.sakuravod-unet.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:10:49 Does that mean that when implementing my own print-object I should literally use SIGNAL instead of ERROR in the aforementioned case? 13:11:31 no 13:12:26 ok 13:13:30 Guest17192 [user@nat/google/x-rwklenqoprahazxw] has joined #lisp 13:14:34 dekuked [~user@static-98-164-147-69.axsne.net] has joined #lisp 13:17:08 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Bacteria] 13:19:02 madmuppet006 [~user@122-62-124-247.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 13:19:31 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@228-91-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:19:51 hlavaty [~user@91-65-218-223-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 13:19:51 lemoinem [~swoog@22-91-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has joined #lisp 13:20:51 -!- Flatlander [5b9bd29f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.155.210.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:21:18 msimoni [~m@194-166-95-52.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 13:26:06 jewel [~jewel@183.62.46.82] has joined #lisp 13:31:13 -!- xyxu [~Adium@58.41.12.190] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:31:52 -!- jewel [~jewel@183.62.46.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:33:52 -!- jasox [~jasox@178.239.26.130] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:35:45 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:37:33 pnathan [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has joined #lisp 13:37:40 Flatlander [5b9bd29f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.155.210.159] has joined #lisp 13:40:26 -!- pnathan [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has quit [Client Quit] 13:41:09 Flatlander: no 13:41:53 also, you should generally use (print-unreadable-object ...), which takes care of signalling the error 13:42:31 -!- chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-25-97.lns2.dea.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:42:42 (if *print-escape* (print-unreadable-object ...) 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It's the closest that you'll get to lisp here. 14:17:34 ... Why is the boston lisp meeting tonight not listed on the lispmeetings calendar? 14:18:54 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:19:20 inkjetunit [~wrwrwr@unaffiliated/inkjetunit] has joined #lisp 14:19:46 harish [~harish@119.234.160.63] has joined #lisp 14:23:51 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:27:26 leo2007: it does? 14:28:16 stassats: oh, sorry, apparently I mis-read. 14:30:12 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@119.121.234.210] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:03 -!- kilon [~kvirc@178.59.17.196] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:31:19 'morning 14:32:17 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 14:32:48 -!- guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: guyal] 14:33:46 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:34:32 harish_ 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SBCL happily accepts something like (print-unreadable-object (obj stream nil nil) ...) 18:01:08 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-179-46-82.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:01:08 -!- gigamonkey_ is now known as gigamonkey 18:01:32 note the messed up argument list which should be along (obj stream :type a :identity b) 18:02:01 now when trying to compile that with CLisp the compiler goes into an infinite loop 18:02:37 Flatlander: CLISP is probably trying to print the object while report that it can't. 18:03:01 while compiling? 18:03:28 Flatlander: you're *only* calling compile? 18:03:35 yep 18:03:52 nil doesn't sound like a valid keyword 18:03:57 I had huge problems already with something similar yesterday. Wasn't too fun to debug 18:03:58 sbcl should complain 18:04:09 neat. Yeah, looking at SBCL's defmacro parsing code is somewhere on my todo list. 18:04:16 And something similar happened with CCL 18:04:26 (print-unreadable-object (1 *standard-output* :foo nil) 1) errs 18:06:19 CCL says that "Serious errors encountered during compilation" 18:06:53 booyaa` [~booyaa@adsl-67-121-157-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 18:07:42 Flatlander: Can you test ECL too? :) 18:08:47 naryl: just a sec 18:09:22 pnq [~nick@172.129.146.19] has joined #lisp 18:09:30 compiles fine with ECL, no warnings, no runtime warnings 18:09:55 kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-7-79.w92-141.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 18:10:03 adnap_ [~adnap@rrcs-24-227-162-10.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:10:05 -!- booyaa` [~booyaa@adsl-67-121-157-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:10:05 -!- hlavaty [~user@91-65-218-223-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:10:05 -!- adnap [~adnap@rrcs-24-227-162-10.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:10:05 -!- Siphonblast [~Siphonbla@c-98-210-95-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:10:05 -!- jfleming [~jfleming@46.243.25.78] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:10:05 -!- ejohnson [~elliott@vr.elliottjohnson.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:10:05 -!- nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-7-79.w92-141.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:10:05 -!- zxq9 [~zxq9@FL1-119-244-163-13.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:10:05 -!- tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:10:05 -!- cataska_ [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:10:05 -!- gz [~gz@209-6-49-85.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:10:05 -!- df_ [~df@aldur.bowerham.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:10:05 -!- dryman [~dryman@OpenISDM.iis.sinica.edu.tw] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:10:05 -!- PECCU [~peccu@KD106179020073.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:10:20 SBCL, compiles, no warning, "invalid number of arguments" when ran 18:10:28 -!- sacho_ [~sacho@79-100-60-238.btc-net.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:10:41 hlavaty [~user@91-65-218-223-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 18:10:41 booyaa` [~booyaa@adsl-67-121-157-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 18:10:41 Siphonblast [~Siphonbla@c-98-210-95-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:10:41 ejohnson [~elliott@vr.elliottjohnson.net] has joined #lisp 18:10:41 zxq9 [~zxq9@FL1-119-244-163-13.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 18:10:41 tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has joined #lisp 18:10:41 cataska_ [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #lisp 18:10:41 gz [~gz@209-6-49-85.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 18:10:41 df_ [~df@aldur.bowerham.net] has joined #lisp 18:10:41 dryman [~dryman@OpenISDM.iis.sinica.edu.tw] has joined #lisp 18:10:41 PECCU [~peccu@KD106179020073.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 18:11:47 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA1194.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:12:43 -!- saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA1194.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 18:12:50 Flatlander_ [5b9bd29f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.155.210.159] has joined #lisp 18:14:36 -!- Flatlander [5b9bd29f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.155.210.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:14:36 -!- dialga [53c7c347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.199.195.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:15:38 plain "(defun foo (obj stream) (print-unreadable-object (obj stream nil nil) nil))" doesn't seem to crash CLisp but when it's inside (defmethod print-object ...) it does 18:15:48 -!- fukushima [~fukushima@z128.124-44-151.ppp.wakwak.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 18:17:15 sacho [~sacho@95-42-67-174.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 18:20:25 -!- nanoc [~conanhome@201-251-62-201.static.speedy.com.ar] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 18:23:06 tensorpudding [~michael@99.23.125.6] has joined #lisp 18:23:23 jfleming [~jfleming@46.243.25.78] has joined #lisp 18:24:17 Guthur [~user@212.183.140.52] has joined #lisp 18:26:30 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@188-67-27-120.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:28:54 nikodemus [~nikodemus@188-67-27-120.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 18:32:42 -!- EyesIsMine [~Eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:33:26 is there library to parse not so well-formed xml? 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The code is definitely not simpler. It's fun, but not so great. 18:48:40 -!- pnq [~nick@172.129.146.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:50:57 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@188-67-27-120.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:50:58 -!- hlavaty [~user@91-65-218-223-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:50:58 -!- booyaa` [~booyaa@adsl-67-121-157-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:50:58 -!- Siphonblast [~Siphonbla@c-98-210-95-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:50:58 -!- ejohnson [~elliott@vr.elliottjohnson.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:50:58 -!- zxq9 [~zxq9@FL1-119-244-163-13.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:50:58 -!- tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:50:58 -!- cataska_ [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:50:58 -!- gz [~gz@209-6-49-85.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:50:58 -!- df_ [~df@aldur.bowerham.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:50:58 -!- dryman [~dryman@OpenISDM.iis.sinica.edu.tw] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:50:58 -!- PECCU [~peccu@KD106179020073.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:50:58 hlavaty` [~user@91-65-218-223-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 18:51:25 -!- tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51:35 tr-808_ [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #lisp 18:51:41 tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #lisp 18:51:43 booyaa` [~booyaa@adsl-67-121-157-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 18:51:43 nikodemus [~nikodemus@188-67-27-120.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 18:51:43 Siphonblast [~Siphonbla@c-98-210-95-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:51:43 ejohnson [~elliott@vr.elliottjohnson.net] has joined #lisp 18:51:43 zxq9 [~zxq9@FL1-119-244-163-13.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 18:51:43 tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has joined #lisp 18:51:43 cataska_ [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #lisp 18:51:43 gz [~gz@209-6-49-85.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 18:51:43 df_ [~df@aldur.bowerham.net] has joined #lisp 18:51:43 dryman [~dryman@OpenISDM.iis.sinica.edu.tw] has joined #lisp 18:51:43 PECCU [~peccu@KD106179020073.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 18:54:46 -!- totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:56:32 totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:57:07 -!- froggey [~froggey@unaffiliated/froggey] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:58:14 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:58:29 compj [~compj@p54BF418F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:59:12 -!- asvil [~asvil@178.121.164.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:01:18 jguthrie_ [~jguthrie@kzo-pop-8.iserv.net] has joined #lisp 19:01:33 ynniv [~ynniv@c-76-23-252-81.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:04:24 shizzy0 [~user@c-24-91-161-73.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:04:44 -!- Nieros [~jguthrie@kzo-pop-8.iserv.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:04:51 So... You can defmethod based on a structure? 19:05:09 you can 19:05:28 LaPingvino [~MELP@d54C06DE6.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 19:05:30 Interesting. 19:06:10 -!- jguthrie_ is now known as Nieros^ 19:09:00 egnarts-ms [~smsmfk@121-158-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 19:09:59 -!- ccomendant [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/ccomendant] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:10:56 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:11:41 *didi* likes to read others code 19:12:10 Makes me feel dumb, but hey! :^) 19:12:37 *j_king* reading the atari 8-bit asm to draw the death star. 19:12:52 i think that's becuase by default at least defstruct structures are structure-class instances and therefore you can specialize 19:14:05 didi: reading code and answering "why" is really good for understanding, and seeing a lot of not-your-code helps get an idea of what is nice to read and what is a hairball 19:14:16 didi: You can specialize on any class: structure-, standard-, or built-in-. http://sellout.github.com/2012/03/03/common-lisp-type-hierarchy 19:14:45 oh nice, never seen that 19:15:34 I think it's probably too confusing in its current state. Suggestions welcome. 19:16:49 -!- LaPingvino [~MELP@d54C06DE6.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:17:32 ngz [~user@103.69.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 19:17:44 sellout: nil isn't a type. null is. 19:18:16 sellout: don't see cons on there, either 19:18:17 dlowe: nil is a type. It's the canonical empty type. 19:18:23 dlowe: nil is a type  it's the bottom type, or near enough. 19:18:50 don't see null on there, in any cas. 19:18:59 sellout: don't think fixnum and bignum are classes. 19:19:03 froggey [~froggey@unaffiliated/froggey] has joined #lisp 19:19:05 LaPingvino [~MELP@d54C06DE6.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 19:19:13 I want to generate a serializer from a class to json and back (with ability to chose custom type converters for slots, which slots to serialize, etc.). Do you recommend writing serializations separately (macro, function that creates apropriate handler closures, whatever) or defining a metaclass (which would add extra slot options?) 19:19:58 cons and nil are both on there, in with symbol, sequence, etc. 19:20:10 p_l: metaclasses don't compose well, but if that does not bother you, using the mop is fun and results in clearer application code, i thing. 19:20:13 think 19:20:26 pkhuong: bignum and fixnum aren't listed as classes, just types. 19:20:34 add^_ [~add^_^@m90-141-56-77.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 19:20:44 H4ns: can you expand on the "don't compose well" bit? 19:21:29 sellout: ah, I see. they mess up the type hierarchy as well (re unsigned-byte/byte). 19:21:36 p_l: a class can only have one metaclass. if you want to combine metaclass functionality, you need to combine them into new metaclasses that your application then uses as metaclass. 19:21:48 p_l: i'm not sure if that was understandable, let me know :) 19:21:55 oh, right. okay, never mind. 19:22:23 Like I said  it's not super-clear. But it hangs on my wall and is helpful to at least me ;) 19:22:38 H4ns: that I know. Can I just go with (defclass composed-metaclass (persistent-class serialized-class)) then add apropriate validation method? 19:23:16 (validate-superclass) 19:23:31 p_l: yes, that will usually work. you'll still have to make sure that the mop methods of the metaclasses work in a compatible fashion. 19:23:57 LaPingvino_ [~MELP@d54C06DE6.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 19:24:15 -!- LaPingvino [~MELP@d54C06DE6.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25:10 H4ns: well, I suspect that specializing things like slot-value-using-class might be hairy, but in this case I somehow doubt I'd actually want to add that one 19:25:45 p_l: right. i'd just try some. i find the mop rather rewarding. 19:26:30 H4ns: since this is more for making a DRY "spec" for an object, I suspect I might avoid some of the hairy stuff 19:26:53 though I have to say, I think a better "tutorial" for MOP would be useful :/ 19:27:05 p_l: any usage of the mop is slightly hairy because of the required boiler plate 19:27:24 I know 19:27:44 p_l: i have this xml/xsl access metaclass that is very small, did you see that? 19:27:48 asvil [~asvil@178.121.41.137] has joined #lisp 19:27:56 p_l: not really a tutorial, but a self-contained example. 19:28:12 It's just that different actual uses have it coded very differently, while books are either very detailed (AMOP, ho!) or jump around a bit too much 19:28:20 H4ns: no, but I'd like to see it 19:28:30 p_l: http://paste.lisp.org/display/127890 19:29:33 p_l: it is a metaclass that attaches xml document to clos instances and uses xpaths to read slot values from the xml document. there is also limited write access. 19:31:03 p_l: the slot's xpath is defined using the :xpath slot option. the document (an parsed cxml-stp document) is attached to an instance using the :document initarg. 19:32:59 -!- jasox [~jasox@178.239.26.130] has left #lisp 19:37:28 ccomendant [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/ccomendant] has joined #lisp 19:39:23 -!- am0c 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seconds] 20:48:45 gendl [~gendl@c-68-41-192-171.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:48:52 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has joined #lisp 20:48:59 howdy ho 20:49:14 hello gendl :) 20:49:19 Does net.aserve.client:do-http-request automatically re-try the connection if it hits a timeout? 20:49:28 I have the following code: 20:49:30 Scruffy [~Bolide@37.212.29.100] has joined #lisp 20:49:37 http://paste.lisp.org/display/129484 20:49:48 (the "the" in there is our GenDL referencing operator, not the CL "the). 20:49:59 In case the request hits the timeout, then code-or-error should be some type of error, and we call this function "error-action" which sends out an email. 20:50:01 gendl: no. but if you want support for franz inc's code, you'd be better off contacting support@franz.com. 20:50:17 ok. 20:50:23 if i try this with drakma i'll ask here 20:50:53 gendl: sure enough. drakma does not retry, that much i can say :) 20:52:10 H4ns: what is xml:xpath-find-string? 20:53:07 slyrus: hold on 20:53:30 slyrus: that is from plexxipus-xpath, i think. 20:53:51 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:54:22 can't find it 20:54:26 wait 20:54:28 that's what I thought too 20:55:12 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:55:22 ah, no. annotating 20:55:27 vpit3833 [~user@220-244-36-127.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 20:55:34 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.169.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:55:48 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.23.125.6] has quit [Quit: tensorpudding] 20:57:05 http://paste.lisp.org/display/129486 20:57:26 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 21:00:02 -!- zanoni [quassel@nat/indt/x-aykabfgeejbzxqta] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:13 so, small cl+ssl error when I try to make client stream. http://paste.lisp.org/display/129485 21:00:38 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit 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I seem to have one or few big XML files with the data in multiple elements. Fixing the xpath at defclass time seems at odds with that. 22:32:55 Nice MOP example though. 22:33:49 -!- ngz [~user@103.69.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:34:15 -!- BrokenCog [1000@ip98-162-161-219.pn.at.cox.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:34:38 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.112.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:35:07 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@176.97.27.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:35:31 mathrick [~mathrick@176.97.27.149] has joined #lisp 22:35:46 nydel [~nydel@wsip-70-166-32-108.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:41:56 araujo [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has joined #lisp 22:41:57 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has quit [Changing host] 22:41:57 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 22:42:26 -!- jreynoso [~jreynoso@187.193.152.244] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:42:44 Guthur [~user@212.183.128.23] has joined #lisp 22:43:38 -!- asvil [~asvil@178.121.41.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:43:56 apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:45:09 -!- apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 22:46:15 -!- guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: guyal] 22:47:01 tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has joined #lisp 22:49:16 -!- msimoni [~m@212-183-113-159.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:49:17 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 22:52:24 huangjs [~huangjs@190.8.100.83] has joined #lisp 23:00:35 -!- b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@178.77.25.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:05:21 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:07:18 DataLinkDroid [~David@110.145.249.185] has joined #lisp 23:07:21 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:11:39 btbngr [~btbngr@host86-171-39-175.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 23:12:14 -!- ignas__ [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:13:29 kejfowej [~Nucltinni@ip70-179-170-114.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #lisp 23:13:36 So Lisp keeps a regular chatlog? 23:13:41 What other channels do? 23:14:30 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@xdsl-77-86-196-131.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:14:55 -!- tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:14:59 kejfowej: there are two public logs actually. 23:15:05 Depends on the channel. 23:15:33 Wow, so if I decided to take revenge on an asshole Wikipedia admin, and knew his real-world details, I could spill it all out on here for the world to see on the logs. 23:16:00 That would be an awful use of time, and spam at the same time! 23:16:13 sshirokov, It would give him is epic just-desserts. 23:16:28 -!- kejfowej is now known as VIEUV 23:16:35 No, it would just pretty much frustrate everyone here and that's about it 23:16:37 surprisingly few epics involve IRC chatlogs. 23:16:42 VIEUV: it would be more telling of you 23:16:52 ^^ 23:23:05 -!- VIEUV is now known as Eght_Entourage 23:24:35 -!- Eght_Entourage [~Nucltinni@ip70-179-170-114.fv.ks.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Eght_Entourage] 23:27:29 peterhil` [~peterhil@xdsl-77-86-196-131.nebulazone.fi] has joined #lisp 23:28:50 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:29:28 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 23:29:35 jacius [~jacius@c-24-13-89-230.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:30:25 blechx [~blechx@rymdkoloni.se] has joined #lisp 23:31:28 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 23:35:05 -!- jguthrie [~jguthrie@99-54-58-83.lightspeed.dttnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:36:39 -!- tr-808_ [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:37:18 tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #lisp 23:38:24 jake__ [~jake@74.213.226.253] has joined #lisp 23:46:02 asdf smartness is annoying 23:46:50 -!- nha [~prefect@g225147134.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:48:25 Who's being smart with asdf? 23:48:32 We want names! 23:48:59 maybe it's a case of not being smart enough? :) 23:49:02 no idea, but it wants to load systems from all possible directories at once 23:49:05 which is annoying 23:49:52 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@c90636ec.virtua.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:50:25 fmeyer [~fmeyer@c90636ec.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 23:51:15 -!- tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 23:51:29 does asdf look in places other than *central-registry*? 23:51:38 asdf:*default-source-registries* 23:51:53 which i can't figure out in broad daylight 23:52:03 *stassats* starts cursing 23:54:33 -!- wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:44 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@c90636ec.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:56:21 Asdf also reads $CL_SOURCE_REGISTRY for colon separated paths to search 23:56:40 Paths ending in // are considered trees and searched recursively for systems 23:56:45 i set asdf:*default-source-registries* to NIL and still loads god knows what 23:56:54 francisl [~flavoie@bas1-montreal48-1176432531.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 23:57:08 Also take a look at ~/.config/common-lisp/source-registry.conf.d/ 23:57:24 well, i set it to nil, nothing should affect it 23:57:33 well, if it were sane, that is 23:58:01 ASDF slurps in configs from that directory according to: http://common-lisp.net/project/asdf/asdf/Controlling-where-ASDF-searches-for-systems.html 23:58:23 (where "according to" implies the syntax of those files is described there.) 23:59:20 *central-registry* is mostly a legacy search mode