00:05:18 Mazingaro [~Tetsuja@host49-216-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 00:05:22 hi 00:07:01 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:15:40 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128029050.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:22:41 -!- statonjr [~statonjr@cpe-098-024-165-246.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: statonjr] 00:24:02 tensorpudding_ [~michael@108.87.20.248] has joined #lisp 00:25:29 -!- tensorpudding_ [~michael@108.87.20.248] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 00:25:38 hi 00:26:11 tensorpudding_ [~michael@108.87.20.248] has joined #lisp 00:27:01 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.32.61.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:27:22 -!- tensorpudding_ [~michael@108.87.20.248] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 00:27:39 Is there a way to have Slime query which lisp I want to use? 00:28:01 Quadrescence: C-u M-x slime 00:28:16 tensorpudding_ [~michael@108.87.20.248] has joined #lisp 00:29:27 M-- M-x slime also works 00:30:36 madalu [~user@unaffiliated/madalu] has joined #lisp 00:31:03 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has joined #lisp 00:31:21 blackwol` [~blackwolf@ool-4575fc51.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 00:32:56 -!- blackwolf [~blackwolf@ool-4575fc51.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:33:19 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-216-155-214-172.cascadeaccess.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:34:25 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-216-155-214-172.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 00:39:25 -!- harish [~harish@119.234.212.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:39:55 francisl [~flavoie@bas1-montreal48-1176342129.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 00:44:14 -!- rk[idle] is now known as rk[caldwell] 00:44:18 tensorpudding__ [~michael@99.148.202.192] has joined #lisp 00:44:45 -!- tensorpudding__ is now known as tensorpudding 00:48:25 -!- tensorpudding_ [~michael@108.87.20.248] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:48:31 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:50:25 -!- toekutr [~user@50-0-51-2.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:53:00 Sakako [~sakako@130.56.93.239] has joined #lisp 00:53:36 -!- Mazingaro [~Tetsuja@host49-216-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:54:35 Vivitron [~user@pool-173-48-170-228.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:56:58 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:57:08 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-76-254-19-133.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:57:15 -!- Tordek [tordek@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-zsxvdbsnnqvydprc] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:57:19 -!- francisl [~flavoie@bas1-montreal48-1176342129.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl] 00:58:01 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-76-254-19-133.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:58:40 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-76-254-19-133.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:01:39 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-182-209-72.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:02:38 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-182-209-72.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 01:03:37 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-216-155-214-172.cascadeaccess.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:03:48 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-216-155-214-172.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 01:04:21 -!- Radium [~rajesh.na@117.203.21.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:07:52 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-76-254-19-133.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: gigamonkey] 01:09:07 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 01:11:31 tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:14:34 c0atz1n [~c0atz1n@189.238.8.172] has joined #lisp 01:14:38 o how i hate github readme files :/ 01:16:12 -!- hyoyoung [seoz@enlightenment2.osuosl.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:21:50 why :( 01:24:37 stlifey [~stlifey@119.121.145.93] has joined #lisp 01:24:52 maybe he hates markdown or something? 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01:40:59 francisl [~flavoie@bas1-montreal48-1176342129.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 01:41:12 you want to embed all of emacs into whatever app github uses for parsing markup just for that? 01:41:24 you can export from orgmode to html, they could use that. in fact, i'd use it myself, if github would support html, but they don't... 01:42:00 Deltafire [~chris@82-71-44-155.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #lisp 01:42:05 the only proper format for README should be something that is perfectly readable in notepad 01:42:33 like orgmode? 01:42:57 if it looks readable in notepad why does it matter that it gets parsed into html? 01:43:19 because github messes it up, try it, i can't tell you more 01:43:36 maybe they should just leave it as plain text 01:43:38 I'm with tensorpudding. READMEs shouldn't need to be parsed; they should be plain text 01:43:42 -!- sykopomp` is now known as sykopomp 01:43:56 -!- Sakako [~sakako@130.56.93.239] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:44:03 i didn't say they should be plain text 01:44:07 i think they should use markdown 01:44:12 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:44:34 Sakako: Right, they shouldn't need to be  but it's a value-add. What they should never do is make it worse  which is apparently what happens with orgmode. 01:44:36 do you want your textbooks to be parsed? do you want math formulas to be easily readable? we have made fonts and added typesetting for a reason. i want to code with syntax highlighting, and i want my manuals to be the same. 01:44:43 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 01:44:50 README is not a manual 01:45:34 manuals should be in some combination of html, pdf, docbook, manpages, infopages 01:46:09 regardless, this is even more offtopic as when i posted it for a lisp library :) 01:47:10 hyoyoung [seoz@enlightenment2.osuosl.org] has joined #lisp 01:55:12 asdf1234 [92010103@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.1.1.3] has joined #lisp 01:55:24 -!- Apocalypse666 [~root@186.59.50.36] has quit [Quit: El que se va sin que lo hechen, volvera sin que lo llamen!!] 01:56:26 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c122-107-122-25.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 01:59:39 -!- paul0 [~paul0@177.41.242.200] has quit [Quit: paul0] 02:02:48 -!- rk[caldwell] is now known as rk[afk] 02:03:01 -!- DataLinkDroid [~David@101.171.236.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:04:52 springz [~springz@116.231.109.177] has joined #lisp 02:06:41 is teepeedee2 or s-http-server use in production? 02:07:34 tpd2 runs john fremlin's blog iirc, but that's all i know of it. it's a tad more complex to use than hunchentoot, which seems fine for most uses. 02:08:21 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-173-66-213-19.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 02:10:02 I tried a basic test with hunchentoot (just answering a request) and it didn't perform much better than my python server. 02:11:27 I tried s-http-server, result were far better closer to my nodejs and clojure version, but it looks old, not sure if its still maintain 02:12:19 francisl: sykopomp is working on a webserver as well 02:13:17 You shouldn't expect great performance from hunchentoot. 02:13:51 I'm surprised hunchentoot performed *any* better than your python server. Heh. 02:14:14 Well, cpython is ridiculously slow, so ... 02:14:29 I think v8 javascript outperforms it by a factor of 40 or so. 02:14:36 francisl: what were the results you got for hunchentoot vs your clojure and nodejs tests? 02:14:37 it performed about 40% better 02:14:45 -!- seabot is now known as dxq 02:14:50 in reqs/s 02:14:54 (and what was the test?) 02:15:06 paul0 [~paul0@177.41.242.200] has joined #lisp 02:15:35 francisl: to my personal experience, the database backend matters most in interactive applications. still, i stick with hunchentoot for what i do now, as it's the simplest thing to get running. if i ever have issues with the amount of requests, i know i can work my way out of it. 02:15:37 py: 1100 hunchentoot: 1600 nodejs: 7000 s-http-server 6400 clojure: 11000 02:16:11 1600 out of ht?! 02:16:20 yep 02:16:26 I was getting 300 with hello world. Heh. 02:16:49 sykopomp: yay for conserv 02:16:52 done on a mbp i7 02:17:11 what was the test? 02:17:50 spacebait [~spacebat@staff-251-009.wireless.adelaide.edu.au] has joined #lisp 02:18:13 simply answering a request, I don't want to bother too much with the db for the moment, Its only to log statistics, 02:18:39 I've been trying out some of the CL window managers and currently using CLFSWM 02:18:51 what tool did you use? 02:18:52 Im planing to make it answering a post, then send to request to be log in the background 02:18:52 in its keymap, it mentions key Control-L2 02:18:57 I wonder what L2 is 02:20:01 its certainly not Control-2, and not Control-L-2 02:20:05 achiu [~achiu@ip68-96-95-213.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:20:28 spacebait: Maybe you have to have a Playstation controller connected? 02:20:31 francisl: in the interest of science, can I /q you about doing me a favor? 02:20:33 for science 02:20:55 spacebait: could it be the super/windows key? 02:21:06 can we refuse something when its for science? 02:21:07 Kron_ [~Kron@2.49.66.141] has joined #lisp 02:22:00 madnificent: good point, and it could be, but on this keyboard I don't have a second super key 02:22:39 spacebait: if you want to enjoy a window manager like CLFSWM the most, be sure to make the configuration as easy on your hands as possible. i enjoy stump a lot more since i've changed the keymay (and the same was true with CLFSWM) 02:23:03 spacebait: it could be the left alt key as well. wasn't it M-ESC or something for getting in the other mode 02:23:27 -!- paul0 [~paul0@177.41.242.200] has quit [Quit: paul0] 02:23:56 seems the default to get into second mode is M-T 02:24:16 left alt is the default meta key 02:24:20 spacebait: also, there's a mode you can use for discovering which keybinding is available. i forgot the default keybinding, but that should be able to help you as well. 02:24:41 yes I expect I'll spend some time customising the keymap 02:25:05 *madnificent* out, good luck 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[Quit: adu] 04:47:04 so i've never used a testing framework before. recommendations? fiveam? stefil? others? just roll my own for each of my libraries? 04:47:21 -!- gabot [~eli@racket/bot/gabot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:47:25 harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-puaelwncpishjbbr] has joined #lisp 04:47:40 gabot [~eli@racket/bot/gabot] has joined #lisp 04:51:41 Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.13.0.144] has joined #lisp 04:55:38 i've heard more than one recommendation for fiveam. but it may depend on what things you are looking for. 05:02:02 nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has joined #lisp 05:04:24 PCL has a simple unit test framework 05:05:00 looks like it's on quicklisp as "pcl-unit-test" 05:05:04 treyka [~treyka@85.234.199.185] has joined #lisp 05:17:27 -!- rurufufuss [~rurufufus@115-64-27-246.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:28:29 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.154.85] has joined #lisp 05:29:35 kiuma 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But mostly because I'm familiar with it and not so much with the others. :-) 06:21:33 sn0rri [~sn0rri@62.169.219.149] has joined #lisp 06:23:17 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-71.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:25:44 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:29:51 -!- H4ns` is now known as H4ns 06:29:56 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.148.202.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:30:06 -!- DataLinkDroid [~David@1.148.147.0] has quit [Quit: Bye] 06:30:48 Levenson [~Levenson@193.110.239.168] has joined #lisp 06:30:49 slyrus_: i use a simple one called unit-test which is in quicklisp, too 06:30:58 -!- Levenson [~Levenson@193.110.239.168] has left #lisp 06:32:50 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 06:33:36 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:36:39 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has joined #lisp 06:37:27 benny` 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has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:19:40 jdz: I was reacting to Christoph's fixed-point type-of remark; symbol is obvious, I'd hoped that (cons symbol symbol) be too, but implementation just return cons for its type. 09:22:32 -!- treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:23:04 -!- jake_ [~jake@74.213.226.253] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:23:22 -!- froggey_ is now known as froggey 09:24:47 Hussaind [~hussain@115.124.115.71] has joined #lisp 09:25:15 -!- Hussaind [~hussain@115.124.115.71] has left #lisp 09:29:10 pjb: my remark vas about '(cons symbol symbol) vs. (cons 'symbol 'symbol) 09:29:14 *was 09:29:59 -!- spacebaz [~user@150.101.97.47] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:30:02 which does not change the result, but still, the intent is different 09:30:53 (cons 'symbol 'symbol) => (symbol . symbol) is not a type. 09:31:11 fixed point of a function f is a value v such as (f v) = v. 09:31:24 Since type-of returns a type, v must be a type to begin with. 09:32:18 can you think of any other possible fixed points? 09:32:36 lichtblau [~user@port-92-195-61-68.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 09:33:06 gaidal [~gaidal@h164n1-m-sp-d4.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #lisp 09:33:18 I can think of at least two more 09:33:32 Damn! 09:34:31 treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has joined #lisp 09:35:16 (type-of 't) could return t, but in practice it returns boolean or symbol. 09:35:26 ahinki_ [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has joined #lisp 09:36:03 ahinki__ [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has joined #lisp 09:36:10 with mopery, is it possible to define an anonymous class with a loopy type, like standard-class? 09:36:40 Otherwise, I don't see. Since types are either a symbol or a cons, there's not a lot of choice. 09:37:09 vert2 [vert2@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-spsuxzwmbrqgmmcm] has joined #lisp 09:37:14 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:38:36 -!- chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-187-216-209.lns3.dea.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 09:38:58 pkhuong: that was another question at ELS. "no" is the answer, unless you are prepared to do %really-do-foo stuff (not with exported things) 09:39:09 pjb: types are not only symbols or conses 09:39:39 also, (type-of t) can't return T, because of the restriction on having to return subtypes of standardized classes of which T is an instance 09:39:44 -!- ahinki_ [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:40:55 (type-of (find-class 'class)) => standard-class which is a symbol. But ok, it could return the argument. 09:40:55 nowhereman [~pierre@2001:660:2402:14:76de:2bff:fe41:2f1] has joined #lisp 09:41:04 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:41:12 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs27100107.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 09:42:02 right, so # is another possible fixed point 09:42:39 nice 09:42:40 but, ". For objects of metaclass structure-class or standard-class, and for conditions, type-of returns the proper name of the class returned by class-of if it has a proper name" 09:42:56 damnation 09:42:58 curses 09:43:03 I think there's one more 09:43:44 but maybe I've missed a prohibition somewhere 09:43:48 well, another non-standard circular metaclass would be a fixed point, then, wouldn't it? 09:43:53 Well, perhaps you could make anothoer meta-class with a root class of type itself, and for which type-of could return it. 09:44:07 I guess so. 09:44:13 unfortunately you can't make one 09:44:13 nowhereman: We can't build one even semi-portably. 09:44:24 I thought about blogging about that too 09:44:41 I think the other possible fixed point is '(cons) 09:44:58 pkhuong: why? I thought that CLOS could be defined portably (if not efficiently at the same time) 09:45:05 Kryztof: right. 09:45:32 Yes, but it returns cons actually. 09:45:39 But ok. 09:46:00 the moral of this story is that more people should come to lisp conferences 09:46:03 Kryztof: but I don't know of any implementation that would return that instead of 'cons (: 09:46:06 So we have symbol (cons) (cons symbol symbol). 09:46:37 (cons * *) could be too. 09:46:39 pkhuong: maybe we should make one! 09:46:42 nowhereman: I don't follow. Are you saying that we could define more fixpoints if we implemented CL in CL? That's trivially true. 09:46:56 we've removed enough easter eggs; time to add them back? 09:47:54 pkhuong: maybe that's partly what I'm saying, yes, in the sense that an infinity of non-standard metaclasses could be created that would be fixed points of type-of 09:48:37 nowhereman: not in CLOS, even with MOP, short of re-implementing CLOS. 09:48:53 -!- Harag [~phil@dsl-243-194-97.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #lisp 09:49:39 sn0rri [~sn0rri@62.169.219.149] has joined #lisp 09:50:44 pkhuong: can't you create a metaclass then modify it to be its own metaclass? 09:50:47 no 09:50:54 you can't change-class metaobject classes 09:51:07 instances of metaobject classes, that is 09:52:34 chr [~user@148.122.202.244] has joined #lisp 09:54:39 well, back to the art of mop 09:54:44 -!- nowhereman [~pierre@2001:660:2402:14:76de:2bff:fe41:2f1] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:57:02 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has joined #lisp 09:57:09 -!- harish [~harish@cm50.beta157.maxonline.com.sg] has 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check that :) 12:47:22 :) 12:47:29 (ql-dist:system-apropos "google") 12:47:34 MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-114-86.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 12:47:36 # 12:48:09 Posterdati: No, it's not that one. It's https://github.com/sellout/cl-google-charts and it's not in QL. 12:48:14 -!- scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:48:15 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:48:19 Posterdati: But that one may do it as well *shrug* 12:48:55 ok ok 12:49:14 scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has joined #lisp 12:50:21 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:53:08 didi [~user@177.64.28.98] has joined #lisp 12:53:11 -!- didi [~user@177.64.28.98] has quit [Changing host] 12:53:11 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 12:54:35 -!- sn0rri [~sn0rri@62.169.219.149] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 12:55:17 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.142.145] has joined #lisp 12:55:20 metaphysician [~matrix@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 12:55:35 -!- nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:55:43 -!- borkman` is now known as borkman 12:58:16 TimKack [~user@c-2ec21982-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #lisp 12:58:45 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@94.144.63.83] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59:09 mathrick_ [~mathrick@94.144.63.83] has joined #lisp 13:00:29 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 13:00:55 -!- pjb is now known as Guest61310 13:01:52 -!- TimKack [~user@c-2ec21982-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:56 -!- metaphysician [~matrix@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:03:49 metaphysician [~matrix@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 13:04:54 mathrick__ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 13:05:39 how well does sbcl run on windows? 13:06:00 step by step 13:06:03 -!- Guest61310 is now known as pjb 13:06:04 Posterdati: i hooked qrencode to lisp through the terminal, it worked quite ok 13:06:24 leo2007: there's a friendly fork that fixes some problems and introduces threads 13:06:44 but i don't use windows, so i can't comment on its wellness 13:07:15 sn0rri [~sn0rri@62.169.219.149] has joined #lisp 13:07:19 stassats`: thanks 13:07:53 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@94.144.63.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:10:29 -!- mathrick__ is now known as mathrick 13:11:41 -!- metaphysician [~matrix@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:13:15 stassats`: re slime, you know what would be neat? if M-. fails, because there is no definition in current package, ask the user for the package name -- or possibly even use find-all-symbols to get possibilities 13:13:41 -!- sn0rri [~sn0rri@62.169.219.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:13:43 metaphysician [~matrix@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 13:14:06 sn0rri [~sn0rri@62.169.219.149] has joined #lisp 13:14:10 TimKack [~user@c-2ec21982-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #lisp 13:15:22 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.148.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:15:34 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@143.93.53.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:16:03 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has joined #lisp 13:16:11 probably 13:16:32 -!- sn0rri [~sn0rri@62.169.219.149] has left #lisp 13:18:43 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:18:59 Did the problem with closing a buffer and doing M-. on something defined in that buffer get fixed, too? :D 13:19:04 (or was it a feature?) 13:19:06 no 13:19:10 no 13:19:18 S11001001 [~sirian@fsf/member/S11001001] has joined #lisp 13:21:00 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.148.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 13:21:11 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@214-106-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:21:37 -!- metaphysician [~matrix@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:21:59 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@m83-185-140-170.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:22:14 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22:16 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:22:25 add^_ [~add^_^@m83-185-140-170.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 13:22:36 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has joined #lisp 13:23:45 metaphysician [~matrix@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 13:25:52 and it's a "feature" of swank-sbcl 13:31:22 -!- metaphysician [~matrix@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:31:30 MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-2-123-229.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 13:33:12 metaphysician [~matrix@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 13:33:19 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-114-86.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:33:40 -!- ahinki__ is now known as ahinki 13:33:50 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.112.91] has quit [Quit: (save-lisp-and-die)] 13:37:15 anyone know where pstrings and pstrings-xlib is supposed to come from? 13:38:23 No idea, but I'd bet it's pascal strings. one byte length and 0 to 255 data bytes. 13:38:27 -!- c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:38:33 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.112.91] has joined #lisp 13:39:19 found it 13:39:20 thanks 13:39:44 pjb: apparently it's emacs-like propertized strings 13:40:54 I see. 13:41:26 -!- metaphysician [~matrix@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:46:00 c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 13:47:59 didn't work anyways :/ 13:48:03 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-135-133-215.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 13:48:16 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-135-133-215.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Changing host] 13:48:16 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 13:49:25 MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-112-137.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 13:49:59 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Client Quit] 13:50:28 kisaravi_ [~kisaravi@58-190-61-56f1.shg1.eonet.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 13:50:56 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-2-123-229.as43234.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:51:18 -!- kisaravi_ [~kisaravi@58-190-61-56f1.shg1.eonet.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:52:08 -!- chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-187-216-209.lns3.dea.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:52:42 chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-187-216-209.lns3.dea.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 13:53:33 -!- tsuru`` is now known as tsuru` 13:53:38 Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #lisp 13:53:43 -!- apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 13:55:48 ngz [~user@103.69.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 13:57:14 -!- super__ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:58:04 super__ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 13:58:56 dto [~dto@pool-96-233-56-218.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:01:24 fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-178-002-108-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 14:06:59 -!- ASau [~user@176.14.176.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:09:24 ASau [~user@176.14.176.32] has joined #lisp 14:09:52 -!- TrystamWrk is now known as TristamWrk 14:10:15 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@gray-28.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has quit [Changing host] 14:10:15 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has joined #lisp 14:10:57 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@75.Red-88-7-128.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 14:12:20 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 14:12:29 sykopomp: fixed on sbcl 14:12:44 that was fast. 14:12:56 thanks, stassats` :) 14:13:08 not really, i mucked around for a long time before coming to the trivial solution 14:13:09 what was wrong? 14:13:42 nothing was wrong, i just changed so that it prefers the file location if the file exists 14:13:46 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@75.Red-88-7-128.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 14:13:56 it always preferred the buffer location previously 14:14:03 ah 14:14:26 and i did a little of code clean up 14:14:31 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@119.121.145.93] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16:37 jlaire [~jlaire@80-248-244-51.cust.suomicom.fi] has joined #lisp 14:17:21 acl fails too 14:17:23 bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 14:17:24 but screw acl 14:17:55 -!- bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:18:08 bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 14:18:23 clisp does weird things altogether 14:18:35 -!- bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:18:59 bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 14:19:39 -!- bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19:49 bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 14:19:49 -!- bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has quit [Client Quit] 14:20:30 i'll use my powers and not fix bugs for competing implementations 14:21:33 acl, clisp, and ccl all have their own treasured IDEs anyway, so who cares? ;) 14:21:46 i care about ccl, and it DRT 14:22:16 and clisp has an IDE on any of the platforms? 14:22:42 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-ctednycqhyegrrdq] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:23:12 stassats`: its REPL + vim 14:23:31 that's disintegrated 14:23:45 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-gzmdkvjulsdrwvye] has joined #lisp 14:24:20 my pascal triangle solution: https://gist.github.com/2562306 could it be better either idiomatically or performance-wise? 14:24:58 do you care about the performance of pascal triangle? 14:25:38 nikodemus: At one point M-. was very dwimish. This was all removed shortly after. 14:25:52 ah 14:25:57 francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has joined #lisp 14:26:05 could it live in a contrib? 14:26:55 I don't know. Iirc the gripe between attila and helmut was centered (or at least triggered) by changes in this regard 14:27:03 j_king: (format t "~{~{~4D~^ ~}~%~}~%" (triangle 10)) it works nicely. 14:27:07 stassats`: not in terms of production but in understanding trade-offs better perhaps 14:27:27 hm 14:27:36 i'll worry about it another day 14:27:43 enough on my plate right now 14:27:52 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-244.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:27:55 trivial examples being what they are and all 14:28:13 *j_king* re-trying early chapters of SICP 14:28:39 don't worry, one day we'll how our own slime without dictatorship 14:28:41 I'm just interested in seeing after a couple years of using lisp if I'm starting to "get it" 14:29:11 Try reading PAIP instead. 14:29:14 barryfm [~barryfm@fl-67-232-187-238.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 14:29:50 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-gzmdkvjulsdrwvye] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:29:53 It's more expensive... 14:30:17 j_king: see other solutions: http://paste.lisp.org/display/129283 14:30:28 -!- super__ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:31:25 hiyosi [~hiyosi@102.124.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 14:31:33 pjb: thanks! 14:32:08 cymew: it'll make you rich in knowledge 14:33:54 j_king: you may optimize differently if you have to produce the whole triangle, of if you can produce it row by row. If row by row, you can allocate a vector of the maximum size, and print the triangle without consing more. 14:34:07 stassats`: :buffer was preferred in case of unsaved changes 14:34:20 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-160-54.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:34:42 -!- francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has quit [Quit: francisl] 14:35:00 sykopomp: good point. I own SICP, but not yet PAIP. One of these days, though. 14:35:40 francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has joined #lisp 14:36:00 super__ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 14:36:02 tcr: i tried to combine buffer-and-file locations, but it was too much to change 14:36:35 which i'm sure helmut would veto 14:37:04 -!- barryfm [~barryfm@fl-67-232-187-238.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: -a-] 14:37:17 sykopomp: Ah, yes I do have a copy of it. Haven't read it cover to cover, but did use it for the probability stuff at one point. 14:37:36 tcr: and i'm sure radical changes on disk are more rare than and less painful to deal with than with the killed buffer thing 14:38:21 stassats`: not for me 14:38:36 maybe i'll see later a cleaner way to send information on both to emacs and it'll deal with killed buffers 14:38:42 Guthur [~user@host86-150-21-142.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 14:39:11 stassats`: perhaps it should send both locations, and the emacs side tries them in order (isn't it already like that?) 14:39:31 tcr: changes would be resolved using text search 14:39:50 tcr: no, it's not like that 14:41:21 tensorpudding [~michael@99.148.202.192] has joined #lisp 14:41:24 -!- cymew [~cymew@fw01d.snowmen.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:41:56 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-233-56-218.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:42:59 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit 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paste it all? 15:19:35 yes all 15:19:50 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-240-114.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:20:06 so, what's "doesn't end" mean? 15:20:32 it keeps on printing *X* is popped but never reaches nil so the loop keeps on going 15:20:43 -!- xjrn [~innocuous@c-67-174-244-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:20:58 did you wait long enough? 15:21:13 like 1 hr? 15:21:20 homie`` [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-179-183.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:21:32 rvrebane [~rvrebane@valjapaas.yhikad.vkhk.ee] has joined #lisp 15:22:03 how can you conclude that it doesn't terminate if you didn't wait long enough? 15:22:41 ahah, the halting problem. 15:22:52 jeez, wait for longer than an hour? what is the complexity, with X of 12 elements it runs in 5 sec 15:23:02 *dim* hands himself a serving of beverage and food and watch 15:23:23 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-128-221.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:24:00 hmm, impatience 15:24:20 most of the time is probably wasted printing 15:24:49 perhaps setting *print-circle* to nil prior to running will help somewhat 15:25:24 or, y'know, getting a real computer 15:26:24 I'm running it on my windows mobile! 15:26:49 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:27:04 francogrex: now you have two problems 15:27:05 on your *what*? 15:27:06 i wanted to ask that, but thought that it would be to silly 15:27:14 /to/too/ 15:27:54 francogrex: http://paste.lisp.org/display/129284#2 15:28:13 you spend way to much time printing, as cmm said 15:28:15 howeyc: "" will finish sooner 15:28:48 -!- Joreji [~thomas@94-177.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:29:51 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:32:29 cmm: yeah, I had installed clisp on windows CE (HTC) 15:33:19 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-76-254-19-133.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:33:23 and you're asking why your programs take a long time to complete? 15:33:41 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:34:23 Joreji [~thomas@94-177.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 15:34:41 xjrn [~innocuous@c-67-174-244-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:34:42 francogrex: because here, it gave the answer before I released the RET key 15:38:47 *sykopomp* read that as "before I pressed the RET key" -> QuantumLisp! 15:40:10 -!- dca`` [~user@128-69-104-23.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:40:10 -!- Guthur [~user@host86-150-21-142.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:46:33 -!- prip [~foo@host56-134-dynamic.42-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:46:49 prip [~foo@host56-134-dynamic.42-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 15:50:17 -!- Joreji [~thomas@94-177.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:50:23 Joreji [~thomas@94-177.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] 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degrees don't matter.. apparently yahoo ceo lied about having CS degree on his resume 18:48:03 *maxm* adds a doctorate to his resume 18:48:34 doctoring your resume? how quaint 18:48:48 when in rome 18:49:11 -!- jjkola_work [c064748e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.116.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:49:14 Need to find a way to doctor your github. Maybe import libraries that people maintain on cl.net? 18:49:36 -!- Kwucks [ca091892@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.9.24.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:49:51 yea quicklisp kind of sucks in that regard, hard to figure out how many ppl use your lib 18:50:10 maxm: xack publishes usage stats every month or so 18:50:17 ah, linky? 18:50:17 Xach* 18:50:37 And isn't there a new library he published to analyze the data? Or is that only for system metadata? 18:50:42 sellout: people are probably just as impressed if you just fork a bunch of stuff. 18:51:10 sykopomp: But you need the blue boxes that show how much you've committed! 18:51:25 "I misconfigured my git :(" 18:51:33 all that grey is really mine D: 18:51:34 heh :) 18:51:45 I know when reading resumes as technical interviewer, I pretty much did quick scan, only thing that caught my eyes were references to open source or such 18:51:46 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@2.49.66.141] has quit [Quit: Kron awayyy!] 18:52:12 I guess it's been a while... http://blog.quicklisp.org/2011/12/project-download-stats-for-november.html 18:52:35 ie "bla bla one of contributor to hibernate bla bla" <- goes into call them pile 18:53:25 -!- Joreji [~thomas@94-177.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:53:45 bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 18:54:00 of course all the good people pretty much never return after 1st interview when they get offered 50k/y position, so company end up hiring "barely competent" ppl 18:54:33 Why are they ofering so low $? 18:54:57 big s&p 500 companies have salary tires, and rules like you never supposed to make more then your direct manager 18:55:26 IBM has or had 3 scales to solve those problems. 18:55:39 There was a technical scale independent from managerial scale. 18:56:05 so when direct manager is lowly payed guy, who only been made manager coz he can't cut it as developer, he can't get any hires with offers of salary higher then him 18:56:20 lol 50k/y at an s&p 500? 18:56:58 yup, and in nyc.. Still position eventually gets filled by some desparate h1 guy who needs his visa transferred 18:57:59 booyaa` [~booyaa@adsl-67-121-157-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 18:58:22 just to clarify that was 2-3 years ago, in the middle of financial crisis, maybe its better now 18:58:59 you should just give up and exclusively hire foreigners remotely. 18:59:09 :| 18:59:09 CampinSam [~Sam@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 18:59:46 -!- booyaa` [~booyaa@adsl-67-121-157-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:03:54 kmcorbett1 [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has joined #lisp 19:05:35 -!- rvrebane [~rvrebane@valjapaas.yhikad.vkhk.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:06:43 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:13:02 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-2.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 19:16:28 -!- super__ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:17:42 Bike [~Glossina@192.102.5.50] has joined #lisp 19:17:50 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:18:59 super__ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 19:21:13 c0atz1n [~c0atz1n@189.224.134.66] has joined #lisp 19:25:15 hongminhee [~dahlia@175.125.21.72] has joined #lisp 19:25:15 -!- hongminhee [~dahlia@175.125.21.72] has quit [Client Quit] 19:32:21 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@h164n1-m-sp-d4.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:32:41 pferor [~Praeter@unaffiliated/pferor] has joined #lisp 19:35:39 -!- pferor [~Praeter@unaffiliated/pferor] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:36:37 dca [~user@128-69-104-23.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 19:39:02 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-180-13.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:42:58 anyone ever use the one-argument form of loop? 19:43:09 It's not one-argument, it's simple form. 19:43:16 S11001001: yes 19:43:25 (loop (print 'hello) (print 'world)) is simple form. 19:43:37 And yes, it's often useful. 19:47:24 booyaa` [~booyaa@adsl-67-121-157-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 19:48:19 -!- paul0 [~paul0@177.41.242.200] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:49:37 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 19:50:16 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.142.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:52:17 -!- nanoc [~conanhome@201-251-62-201.static.speedy.com.ar] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 19:55:28 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@m83-185-140-170.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:56:56 paul0 [~paul0@189.114.197.29.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 19:57:25 -!- bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has quit [] 19:59:04 -!- Bike [~Glossina@192.102.5.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:00:40 -!- kmcorbett1 [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:02:37 edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 20:03:25 hseg [5f565eed@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.86.94.237] has joined #lisp 20:05:37 Hi. http://paste.lisp.org/display/129290#1 gives me an error: '1' - not a function. Anyone have ideas why? 20:05:58 hseg: because 1 is not a symbol it cannot name a function. 20:07:18 1+ is a defined function: http://paste.lisp.org/+2RRF 20:07:22 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c24c8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 20:07:34 hseg: yes. So what? 20:07:46 that doesn't look like cl 20:07:56 Notice you're using an implementation specific extension of the REPL. 20:08:04 You should write (1+ 3) 20:08:14 hi 20:08:25 hseg: since it "just works" for me, you have to tell us what you are doing exactly, what you expect to happen, and what happens instead. 20:08:36 OK. But still, even when I called derive with (lambda (x) (* x x)) 20:09:10 it gave the same errror 20:09:12 I'm trying to define a function to take the derivative of a mathematical function 20:10:10 hseg: derive? What lisp is that? 20:10:26 Guthur [~user@host86-150-21-142.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 20:10:56 hseg: to take or to compute the derivative? 20:11:16 prxq: Compute the derivative function 20:11:58 hseg: symbolically? Then you should definitively look up mymacsyma, and if you can, read the relevant parts of the PAIP book by norvig. 20:12:09 hseg: are you sure that definition of derive is what you showed us? 20:12:32 hseg: if numerically, but not with finite differences, then there's an article by rick fateman on automatic differentiation in lisp. 20:12:40 prxq: i don't think that hseg is asking how to compute derivatives 20:12:44 Here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/129293#2 This is the code I wrote, the function call and the result 20:13:08 hseg: reload all the code from scratch and try again 20:13:16 hseg: I doubt it: it works nicely here. 20:13:24 Just did so. Didn't work. 20:13:34 then you're not using a common lisp implementations 20:13:39 pjb: what REPL are you using? I'm using LispWorks 20:13:41 hseg: what implementation are you using? 20:13:45 ccl 20:14:07 <|3b|> works in sbcl too 20:14:25 well, it's valid CL, it should work everywhere 20:14:31 indeed 20:14:44 stassats: i see :-) 20:14:51 so, hseg is not telling us something 20:14:56 Restarting interpreter... 20:15:08 hseg: *ahem* compiler, you mean? 20:15:21 ahem, you mean implementation? 20:15:23 *|3b|* guesses F is declaimed special 20:15:38 *prxq* |3b| is onto something 20:16:11 right, (defvar f 1) gives the same error 20:16:24 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-240-114.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:16:35 what were you told about earmuffs? wear them all the time on special variables 20:17:04 Okay,... It works now. Dunno what I did to get this error. Never defined f as anything. Oh well, it works now. 20:17:06 or use setf 20:17:16 with an impl that does trt 20:17:27 hseg: yes, just a toplevel (setf f ) will make f special in most implementations. 20:17:32 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-240-114.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:17:50 prxq: Not allowed. Must use pure functional features - no setf, no loop macros.... 20:18:17 pjb: in most? 20:18:27 hseg: huh? Whose reign of terror are you falling victim of? :-O 20:18:31 :-) 20:18:39 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has joined #lisp 20:18:39 stassats: Picky implementations are permitted to simply signal an error. 20:19:04 It could be argued that conforming implementations are required to signal an error. 20:19:18 sure, but after extensive complaining by users, most tend to come to their senses. 20:19:20 My functional programming professor. He says it's to *teach us the core ideas of functional programming*. 20:19:31 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-71.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:19:35 stassats: Yes, "most". In CMUCL is a majority :-) 20:20:04 clall -r '(setf x 42)' '(defun f () x)' '(let ((x 0)) (f))' 20:20:07 We didn't even learn much LISP. Just defun, mapcar, reduce, remove-if, car/cdr 20:20:10 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.213] has joined #lisp 20:20:30 And they call that a course in functional programming 20:20:46 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129127131.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:20:58 Makes me wonder what they'll teach us in logic programming 20:20:58 LISP isn't even a functional programming language :( 20:21:36 hseg: I see. the ascetic lisper's bed of nails :-) 20:21:43 hseg: maybe they make you use a prolog embedded in lisp? 20:21:51 -!- LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@d54C06DE6.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:21:56 H4ns: ;- 20:22:01 H4ns: ;-) 20:22:10 teaching institutions are notorious for bastardizing things 20:22:21 sykopomp: depends on the level of resolution. It's not Haskell, that's for sure. 20:22:42 hseg: well, and if they'd then teach you advanced object oriented programming using clos and the mop, you've learned a good deal of lisp and i'd congratulate them. 20:23:01 sykopomp: but you can do functional programming in any language with first-class functions 20:23:04 hseg: unfortunatly, they'll probably not continue with lisp and leave you with the impression that it sucks :) 20:23:11 Aye. I learned way more outside of classes than inside of classes. They should give you pointers to subjects to learn 20:23:11 prxq: LISP doesn't even have lexical scoping! 20:23:21 jasom: you can do functional programming in Java. 20:23:41 hseg: or you could stop paying big bucks to them and learn everything on your own 20:23:43 H4ns: Fortunately, I've seen enough of LISP to like it, although scheme seems nice too. 20:23:52 hseg: boo! hiss! 20:23:53 hseg: first lesson, it's spelled Lisp 20:24:03 hseg: we call it Lisp in these parts. 20:24:04 -!- Guthur [~user@host86-150-21-142.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:24:08 And we already learned advanced OOP using C++ 20:24:17 Oops. sorry 20:24:35 and C++ isn't even an object-oriented programming language 20:24:38 stassats: And lose the cred I get with an Msc. 20:25:03 hseg: is there any? 20:25:08 jasom: ? I agree its implementation is clumsy, but not PP{ 20:25:16 jasom: * OOP 20:25:24 stassats: Arguable 20:25:38 hseg: i don't know what you call advanced in C++, but for as much as i know (and i have once had to study the OO system in C++) CLOS is an order of magnitude more powerful. do count in the MOP, if you can. 20:25:48 stassats: totally. I have a BA in Film and Linguistics, and I've gotten a lispjob! 20:25:49 jasom: if they use lisp to teach fp, they can use c++ to teach oop 20:25:55 hseg: not that i wanted to flame, btw 20:26:00 I'd say hseg does well to play along. 20:26:01 Dunno what would become of me without that BA. 20:26:47 True. 20:27:14 http://paulgraham.com/reesoo.html 20:27:18 Then again, the farther I get in my degree, the less I'm impressed with its value 20:27:52 It's got a list of 9 things that make it easy to say "X isn't OO since it doesn't have Y" 20:27:55 hseg: try: http://coursera.com/ 20:28:03 hseg: it depends on the point of view. It may have a lot of value as a starting point to build uppon. 20:28:22 jasom: it's pretty much arbitrary 20:28:41 hseg: it may be unfortunate, but titles are indeed important. 20:28:54 pjb: I've wanted to try it and MIT OCW, but didn't have time yet. 20:29:27 prxq: Yeah. Anyhow, I've put enough effort into this to not want to give it up now, 20:29:42 that's not a good reason 20:30:21 it can be one 20:31:36 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:32:51 stassats: People would frown upon me dropping out. 20:41:50 -!- profmakx [~profmakx@unaffiliated/profmakx] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:42:49 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:44:35 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 20:45:33 dto [~dto@pool-96-233-56-218.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:45:54 ribis [~user@50-78-157-34-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 20:47:49 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 20:48:12 profmakx [~profmakx@2a01:4f8:150:3181:2::20] has joined #lisp 20:48:41 pjb: there isn't a single course on that main page which i wouldn't want to follow. even though i have probably had all the contents of some of them in some of the live courses i took locally. 20:48:46 -!- profmakx is now known as Guest76373 20:51:46 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-233-56-218.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52:40 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.154.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:52:55 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@46.28.98.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:58:20 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: .] 20:58:35 abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has joined #lisp 20:59:27 -!- booyaa` [~booyaa@adsl-67-121-157-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:59:47 DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-231.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 21:00:03 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.213] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:00:48 madnificent: My thoughts exactly 21:02:27 -!- kilon_alios [~kilon@athedsl-401910.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:15 Bike [~Glossina@207-225-93-170.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:05:49 what does sb-ext:atomic-decf compiles too? specifically is it compatible with boost atomic_incremente/decrement, which on x86-64 does __asm__ { " lock" "incl %0"} 21:06:02 maxm: yes. 21:06:09 ok cool 21:06:12 ski_ [~slj@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 21:06:17 it's a lock xadd, but same idea. 21:06:56 specifically I'm doing it to avoid doing two calls when I want to return shared_ptr's from C++ land, but only maintain single ref from lisp side (lisp side checks if its in weak hash, and if so returns object from hash, and decrements the count) 21:07:25 sounds like an awesomely bad idea. Have fun. 21:07:31 why? 21:07:38 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@91-67-230-210-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:08:48 c++ signature is void get_obj(shared_ptr &ret).. It does {obj = ...whenever it gets the object ...}... The copy operator increments refcount 21:09:01 -!- ribis [~user@50-78-157-34-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has left #lisp 21:10:06 on lisp side, its accessed as two pointers, px and pi, where px is actuall object address, and pi is sp_counted_base pointer.. I check if px is in a weak hash, if it is I return the object from hash as is.. In which case the c++ side now has extra reference... 21:11:12 maxm: for one, you're assuming quite a lot about the layout of C++ objects, never mind the method's implementation. It seems to me the performance of refcount manipulation will be noise, especially if you use a table to treat the lisp heap as a single reference, copying shared_ptr only to look at the address and decrement the refcount is strange. It seems simpler to me to pass naked pointers in the dynamic scope of a live shared reference. 21:11:14 my previous design had lisp create separate tracking object every time, but this seems to lead to performance problem, due to **finalizers-list** being a list, and cancel-finalization having a performance penalty 21:11:46 -!- Ralith_ is now known as Ralith 21:11:57 MrBusiness [~MrBusines@184.99.7.19] has joined #lisp 21:12:24 pkhuong: its not the refcount itself, but to do 2nd call to decrement refcount seems to be silly.. Actually I probably should profile this with 2 calls 21:17:27 -!- S11001001 [~sirian@fsf/member/S11001001] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:19:44 minion [~minion@pppoe.178-66-2-170.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #lisp 21:21:03 *stassats`* notes: add net split support to bots 21:22:03 s0ber_ [~s0ber@114-36-227-97.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:22:32 stassats: how are the bots doing? 21:22:37 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-238-175.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:22:46 minion: how are you doing? 21:22:46 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 21:22:52 hmm 21:22:53 it's going quite fine today 21:23:04 minion: you're slow! 21:23:04 what's up? 21:23:28 minion: chant 21:23:28 MORE INTO NOT 21:23:33 WHAT 21:23:39 oh ok, there 21:24:39 ur5us [~ur5us@210.193.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has joined #lisp 21:25:49 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:27:18 -!- ngz [~user@103.69.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:27:51 -!- hseg [5f565eed@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.86.94.237] has quit [] 21:29:00 TimKack [~user@c-2ec2160c-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #lisp 21:31:08 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@c-67-169-182-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:31:44 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c24c8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:33:22 Is anyone familiar with ltk? I can't seem to make ltk:children work. 21:35:03 -!- achiu [~achiu@ip68-96-95-213.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 21:42:44 -!- The_third_bug [~The_third@ram94-12-78-234-200-168.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:42:59 didi: I don't think anyone here is familiar enough for telepathic debugging. 21:43:50 pkhuong: That's a bummer. 21:44:03 pkhuong: I could use some right now. 21:44:12 I hear http://paste.lisp.org got a degree in telepathic debugging. 21:44:41 timepilot [~timepilot@66.71.231.196] has joined #lisp 21:44:55 -!- timepilot [~timepilot@66.71.231.196] has quit [Client Quit] 21:45:12 timepilot [~timepilot@66.71.231.196] has joined #lisp 21:45:34 -!- timepilot [~timepilot@66.71.231.196] has quit [Client Quit] 21:45:58 timepilot [~timepilot@66.71.231.196] has joined #lisp 21:47:34 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:47:48 -!- timepilot [~timepilot@66.71.231.196] has quit [Client Quit] 21:48:16 timepilot [~timepilot@66.71.231.196] has joined #lisp 21:48:28 Hum, that's weird. The code for ltk:children only sends stuff. That's why I only get NIL, I guess. 21:52:41 -!- super__ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:57:46 -!- paul0 [~paul0@189.114.197.29.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: paul0] 22:04:29 Joreji [~thomas@94-177.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 22:07:46 pkhuong: sorry had to step out, can you by any chance elaborate more? I feel I've missed some obvious way of doing it.. Did you meant I should return just raw object pointer from C++ side, then check if its cached on lisp side? 22:08:17 pkhuong: unfortunately the there is no preferred code path, and whenever c++ returns existing or newly created objects is around 50/50% 22:08:52 so it either return raw pointer, then call again to increment refcount if lisp end up not having it, or return shared ptr, and call again to decrement if lisp ended up having it 22:08:54 Theoretically should print a list of the children of the toplevel node of the tree or something like that. 22:08:56 -!- francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:09:11 I guess I'll have to keep a list myself. 22:09:25 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-90-138.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:09:26 now that I'm thinking about it, maybe I should add a hint as whenever the cached or uncached object is expected, coz use case is different between diff kind of objects 22:11:25 nialo- [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 22:12:05 -!- Joreji [~thomas@94-177.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:12:51 -!- Atomsk is now known as ace4016 22:13:48 Joreji [~thomas@94-177.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 22:14:10 -!- Inode_ is now known as Inode 22:14:19 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Quit: /msg athanasius ur bot died] 22:15:05 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 22:22:38 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:24:21 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@75.Red-88-7-128.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 22:25:09 -!- dekuked [~user@pool-108-20-217-59.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:27:30 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:27:58 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has joined #lisp 22:28:42 -!- TimKack [~user@c-2ec2160c-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28:48 TimKack` [~user@c-2ec2160c-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #lisp 22:28:54 Froward [~uh-oh@206.231.99.110] has joined #lisp 22:29:36 daniel___ [~daniel@p5082BA59.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 22:30:00 it seems impossible to use atomic-incf/atomic-decf on sap-ref-32 anyway, so I'm going with the hint idea 22:30:14 no, it works with words. 22:30:38 It's 20 LOC to write a version for sap to dword, fwiw. 22:31:43 -!- daniel__1 [~daniel@p5082BB31.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:32:27 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:34:11 -!- harish [~harish@119.234.140.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:34:54 meh, damn boost uses 32 bit align on its shared count thing 22:35:17 ... we don't already have atomic-incf/sap ? 22:35:18 anyway, I kind of like hint thing, since its really just two kinds of objects series and orders 22:35:59 I need to atomic increment 32 bit int.. (c structure is {int shared_count; int weak_count}) 22:36:20 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:36:32 Hunh. Just array and raw-instance? 22:37:34 getting too complicated for poor old me 22:38:16 Hey, at least you didn't have to write a full set of atomic operation VOPs. (-: 22:38:52 *maxm* went into whole vop business for mfence, but since then forgot what goes where 22:39:34 anyway for my case, passing a hint is actually a good idea, since my usage is that various serious almost alawys cached, and other object is order, which is almost always new 22:39:55 rest of the objects not used often enough to have impact 22:45:07 -!- Joreji [~thomas@94-177.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:46:27 qriocity [~craigcoch@blk-224-218-210.eastlink.ca] has joined #lisp 22:46:29 -!- qriocity [~craigcoch@blk-224-218-210.eastlink.ca] has left #lisp 22:51:49 Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined #lisp 22:55:24 -!- dlila [~dlila@72.53.70.164] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:57:16 Kwucks [ca091892@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.9.24.146] has joined #lisp 22:57:49 -!- Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@dsl-stat-43-17.mmc.at] has quit [Quit: Fullmoon] 22:57:53 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:58:07 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:59:19 -!- nullman [~nullman@74.113.164.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:01:21 -!- rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:05:39 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:06:06 Well, I give up. 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