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The .asd file defines how the system is loaded (e.g. order of file and dependency loading). Below that is the common lisp functions, where e.g. load or compile-file define exactly how a file is loaded 02:31:08 yates: ASDF registry is a registry of system definitions 02:31:13 -!- Yuuhi` [benni@p5483ABA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:31:15 and the common lisp package concept and functions which describe what symbols are accessible from where 02:32:34 so are "system" and "package" synonymous in the context of cl and asdf? 02:33:01 wait, i think you just answered that. 02:33:07 the answer is no. 02:34:37 does a sbcl installation provide help on the basic cl functions? 02:35:06 more specifically, a sbcl in connection with a slime installation for emacs? 02:35:18 that is, can i get help on a cl function within emacs/slime? 02:35:26 dboswell [dpb@SDF.ORG] has joined #lisp 02:35:49 or any other systems/packages that are available? 02:35:56 yates: sbcl will provide docstrings for some functions, you will want a comfortable way to access the hyperspec though, as that is the main reference 02:36:00 yates: sbcl by itself only has docstrings. However, slime has ability to lookup symbols in hyperspec and display it using whatever browser is called by browse-url 02:36:44 where is slime itself documented? 02:36:53 i just looked - apparently there is no info page 02:37:03 (info "(slime)") doesn't work 02:37:09 yates: it has a nice manual online 02:37:34 yates: M-x apropos slime -- can go a long way too 02:37:39 thanks Vivitron`, p_l, Zhivago for addressing my basic questions. 02:38:09 Vivitron`: right. 02:39:04 yates: to bring it back around to your direct question yes, loading does make the package functions and variables available in the cl environment 02:39:14 guther [guther@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-fyhabelackucoila] has joined #lisp 02:39:42 ack. 02:40:03 LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@d54C06DE6.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 02:42:43 -!- |3b| [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 02:42:54 |3b| [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:45:40 -!- minion [~minion@pppoe.178-66-10-110.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Disconnected by services] 02:45:43 minion [~minion@pppoe.178-66-49-82.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #lisp 02:45:50 -!- harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-dppjholrdnbztldg] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:46:10 -!- specbot [~specbot@pppoe.178-66-10-110.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Disconnected by services] 02:46:12 specbot [~specbot@pppoe.178-66-49-82.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #lisp 02:47:10 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:51:11 -!- The_third_man [~The_third@47319hpv099117.ikoula.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:51:16 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-244.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:51:32 The_third_man [~The_third@47319hpv099117.ikoula.com] has joined #lisp 02:52:08 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@xdsl-77-86-196-131.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:52:10 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-244.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:52:44 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-244.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:53:10 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@190.8.100.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:53:32 huangjs [~huangjs@190.8.100.83] has joined #lisp 02:55:31 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-244.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:55:54 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-244.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:58:40 sylecn [~sylecn@207.7.149.23] has joined #lisp 02:59:55 -!- pnq [~nick@AC812861.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:00:52 wtetzner [~wtetzner@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:01:38 -!- Ralith [~ralith@216.162.199.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:02:31 Ralith [~ralith@216.162.199.202] has joined #lisp 03:02:32 peterhil` [~peterhil@xdsl-77-86-196-131.nebulazone.fi] has joined #lisp 03:05:55 -!- CampinSam [~Sam@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:11:37 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 03:20:33 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 03:25:06 brandonz [~brandon@199-188-193-145.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined #lisp 03:32:32 -!- dboswell [dpb@SDF.ORG] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:32:47 -!- agumonkey [~agu@17.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:36:17 -!- Fare [~Fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:38:00 -!- sylecn [~sylecn@207.7.149.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:43:17 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:46:09 harish [~harish@119.234.47.29] has joined #lisp 03:49:05 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 03:49:09 ysph [~user@mobile-166-147-113-131.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 03:49:16 -!- chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-52-6.lns2.dea.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 03:50:27 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:51:23 peterhil [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined #lisp 03:52:21 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-179-46-111.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:52:55 -!- tali713 [~tali713@c-75-72-193-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:53:15 -!- nialo- [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:53:20 minion: memo for Xof: http://www.r-bloggers.com/the-best-statistical-programming-language-is-%E2%80%A6javascript/ 03:53:20 Remembered. I'll tell Xof when he/she/it next speaks. 03:53:29 nialo- [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 03:54:05 -!- totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:54:07 sylecn [~sylecn@49.79.142.237] has joined #lisp 03:54:36 hunchentoot: are PUT and DELETE params stored in post-parameters? 03:54:40 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:55:07 totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:55:36 looks like i should set *methods-for-post-parameters*, is that the typical way to do it? 03:56:05 tali713 [~tali713@c-75-72-193-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:56:08 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 03:56:51 -!- harish [~harish@119.234.47.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:56:52 chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-52-6.lns2.dea.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 03:56:53 -!- FACEFOX 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quotemstr: how about EQUAL? 04:16:11 stassats: EQUAL isn't guaranteed to terminate. 04:16:41 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-173-66-213-19.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 04:19:59 well, then EQL should 04:20:36 chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-52-6.lns2.dea.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 04:22:07 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-179-46-111.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: gigamonkey] 04:22:56 Kron_ [~Kron@2.49.66.141] has joined #lisp 04:25:57 Phoodus [~foo@wsip-68-107-217-139.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 04:26:21 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-179-46-111.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:39:46 -!- Sgeo_ [~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:43:01 -!- benny` [~benny@i577A1175.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:57:32 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 04:57:56 where is the documentation for quicklisp? 04:58:10 i don't see anything on-line or pdf 05:02:28 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perhaps, use (read-sequence) yourself after looking how big the file is 07:55:22 (com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.file:text-file-contents "your-file.txt") 07:55:48 and (setf (com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.file:text-file-contents "your-file.txt") "text") ; to initialize it. 07:57:44 nipra [~nipra@122.177.203.195] has joined #lisp 08:00:54 -!- EarlGray^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 08:01:28 dropster [~Kim@port284.ds1-oebr.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #lisp 08:01:34 morning 08:01:47 -!- metacoder [~metaphysi@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Quit: metacoder] 08:02:17 varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 08:03:49 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-145-130.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 08:04:07 EarlGray [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 08:05:09 -!- behelit_ [~behelit@c213-89-59-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:07:25 -!- ASau` 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If either list-1 or list-2 has duplicate entries within it, the redundant entries might or might not appear in the result." 08:11:45 that "5" appears twice seems a bug. 08:12:28 I will try in others 08:13:04 ecl: ("2" "5" "6" "1" "3" "3" "5") 08:13:13 pjb: why? the "5" is twice in the second list, so it matches the description 08:13:51 Oops, sorry, I saw it only once. Yes, the result is conforming. 08:14:11 ok 08:14:25 and "3" appears only once probably because this implementation took it from the left argument, where it appears only once. 08:15:38 any good way to specialize function base on strings? I want to dispatch to different file handler based on pathname-type 08:16:44 kanru`: no. You can specialize generic functions only on different classes, and on different objects. 08:16:56 You will have to do the dispatching yourself. 08:17:08 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:17:10 -!- pnq [~nick@AC81BE60.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:17:50 kanru`: look for AITR-2001-006.pdf and the "Filtered Dispatch" PDF (pascal.costanza | charlotte.herzeel | jorge.vallejos | tjdhondt @vub.ac.be), they describe such systems 08:18:21 ftp://publications.ai.mit.edu/ai-publications/2001/AITR-2001-006.pdf 08:18:37 thanks 08:18:46 http://www.p-cos.net/documents/filtered-dispatch.pdf 08:18:53 kanru`: here's the other, too 08:20:06 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-215-120-165.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:20:51 yeah, I can add a file-type registry and dispatch based on mapped symbols 08:21:09 BigHugeDog [~QQ@221.0.11.215] has joined #lisp 08:21:12 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-215-120-165.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] 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text file? cl-ppcre? 10:02:15 if you like regexps, yes 10:02:20 -!- mutley89 [~mutley89@cpc1-hudd6-0-0-cust741.4-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:02:21 -!- zxq9 [~zxq9@FL1-119-244-163-13.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:02:41 not particularly fond of them but they beat manual parsing i guess 10:03:31 I'd start by thinking about the structure of the text file. 10:03:59 there's no fixed structure. urls can appear anywhere 10:04:19 Then I'd think "what will my url fetcher do if I give it a non-url?" 10:04:32 -!- X-Scale` [name@89.180.141.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:04:38 araujo [~araujo@190.38.61.1] has joined #lisp 10:04:38 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.38.61.1] has quit [Changing host] 10:04:38 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 10:04:44 ignore it 10:05:24 Presumably the file has some structure -- spacing, punctuation, etc. 10:05:28 it should return a list of positions in a text file where urls appear 10:05:36 zxq9 [~zxq9@FL1-119-244-163-13.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 10:05:54 I would just shove each 'word' in the file into the url fetcher. 10:06:17 And let it work out if it wants to fetch it or not. 10:06:56 Kryztof [c1c66933@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.198.105.51] has joined #lisp 10:07:14 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:07:27 and for actual matching would you use regex or? 10:09:39 I'd probably just split by spaces and trim terminal punctuation. 10:10:31 You probably want to shove in the untrimmed string as well, and then each progressive trimming. 10:11:12 e.g, "http://woo.com?q=\"bar\"" might be something you'd find in a text file. 10:11:32 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 10:11:34 It's ambiguous as to if it should be q="bar" or q="bar 10:12:01 true 10:12:10 harish [~harish@cm50.beta157.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #lisp 10:13:09 So I'd just shove both in and see which work. :) 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Do I miss something? 18:43:39 install it ? 18:44:07 sh ./install.sh or something like that 18:44:19 ouch 18:44:23 heh 18:44:24 thanks homie 18:44:28 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.104.38] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:44:29 np, yw 18:44:50 and beware of the path issue 18:44:57 normal path is /usr/local 18:45:09 yups 18:45:13 if you wanna change that use sh ./make.sh --prefix=/usr or so.... 18:45:20 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.104.38] has joined #lisp 18:45:48 actually /usr/local should precede in the PATH env variable.... 18:46:05 homie: I use the default 18:46:29 ok 18:51:01 dto [~dto@pool-96-233-56-218.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:52:32 ehu [~ehuels@mail.zoodk.cz] has joined #lisp 18:58:44 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-149-48.as43234.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00:39 MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-129-49.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 19:00:59 ehu` [~ehuels@mail.zoodk.cz] has joined #lisp 19:00:59 -!- ehu [~ehuels@mail.zoodk.cz] has quit [Ping 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19:31:04 Isn't it going to break any system that uses CFFI's mem-aref and expects a pointer back? 19:33:59 ehu [~ehuels@mail.zoodk.cz] has joined #lisp 19:34:21 -!- ehu` [~ehuels@mail.zoodk.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:36:04 fe[nl]ix: http://paste.lisp.org/display/129043#1 19:36:59 -!- Kryztof [~user@83-131-81-169.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:37:12 fe[nl]ix: and that's after your commit 19:38:19 cleverness with compiler macros is it :\ 19:39:51 if users logins are implemented using hunchentoot sessions, are there ways to have a reverse-proxy cache static files shared among users (but still check with hunchentoot to make sure login has access?) 19:43:36 fe[nl]ix: and another one: http://paste.lisp.org/display/129043#1 19:43:50 (that was before you, and is the original issue) 19:43:58 -!- jasox [~jasox@178.239.26.130] has left #lisp 19:44:33 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.148.194.194] has quit [Quit: tensorpudding] 19:45:26 -!- dto 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robot-beethoven: well, then again, it really depends on your proxy. i think you must make the cache revalidate all its entries using if-modified-since. 19:57:31 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:57:54 ok, sent a reply 19:58:06 robot-beethoven: then, hunchentoot will validate the request first and respond with 401 if the session is invalid or not-modified if the cached entry is still fresh. 19:58:12 i hope someone who really understands what's going on with CFFI chimes in 19:58:34 there would be a quicklisp release soon and it's still broken 19:58:50 robot-beethoven: so the answer is yes, if you can get your proxy behave exactly as you want it to. 20:00:58 ooh, it's mailman day! 20:02:07 and gnus displaced my sent email because the month changed... 20:02:18 H4ns: if-modified-since hadn't occurred to me! haven't chosen a proxy yet, but will make that a criterion (if possible) 20:03:35 -!- asvil 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http://paste.lisp.org/display/129043#2 20:12:30 disregard the double b, it doesn't matter (but why cffi doesn't warn about it?) 20:14:50 Kryztof [~user@83-131-81-169.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 20:19:53 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-243-177.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:21:32 s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-238-175.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:22:25 it seems that it default align changed 20:22:35 no 20:24:10 paul0 [~paul0@189.114.199.144.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 20:28:04 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-182-209-72.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:29:16 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.104.38] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:30:52 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:31:30 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:33:26 alvis` [~user@tx-184-6-180-2.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 20:33:59 -!- Kron_ 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daniel__1 [~daniel@p508295F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:29:31 fe[nl]ix: so, hmm. I think it would help a lot if we flipped the default value of *parse-bare-structs-as-pointers*. 22:29:44 ltriant_ [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:29:47 currently we know of two broken libraries: commonqt(reported by stassats) and lisp-zmq(by Fade), but there probably are others 22:32:08 bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 22:32:25 fe[nl]ix: is it mem-aref that's broken or did you mean mem-aptr? 22:32:30 mem-aref 22:34:54 first, I'll have to fix all tests that use mem-ref/aref/aptr 22:35:02 hold on 22:35:08 why would the tests need fixing? 22:35:10 statonjr [~statonjr@adsl-74-235-171-94.clt.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 22:35:19 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Quit: .] 22:35:19 -!- ltriant_ [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Quit: .] 22:35:45 to define two versions for each: one where the compiler-macro is inhibited(using notinline), and one where is is used 22:36:06 using (speed 3) and inline 22:36:25 you should get that effect by running the suite via test-op 22:36:46 -!- francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:37:00 or, actually, by running (cffi-tests::run-tests :compiled t/nil) 22:37:07 Froward [~uh-oh@206.231.99.110] has joined #lisp 22:37:43 (make that run-cffi-tests) 22:37:55 ok, I see it 22:38:00 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@31.24.92.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:38:05 but it still doesn't give any guarantees 22:38:31 Do you have a test case for mem-aref though? 22:38:56 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:39:07 actually 22:39:28 all those struct.alignment.* tests failing should have something to do with that, I suppose. 22:39:35 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cffi.devel/2251 22:40:55 (I didn't paste the style-warnings) 22:43:28 wow, I now get 8 on the second too 22:45:30 using maxm's fix or something else? 22:46:20 I don't see how you can get 8 using my fix.. Put (trace foreign-type-size) it should be returning 1 for 'foo with my fix 22:46:40 both for compiler macro and for defun case 22:47:03 I just restarted the image and I get 1 again 22:47:06 how odd 22:47:29 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:48:09 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 22:52:42 DataLinkDroid [~David@1.129.219.99] has joined #lisp 22:52:45 -!- The_third_bug [~The_third@ram94-12-78-234-200-168.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:53:21 The_third_bug [~The_third@LRouen-151-73-19-165.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 22:54:33 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129233033.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:55:53 luis: ok, a bunch of tests fail 22:56:22 they do indeed. Liam didn't run the test suite. 22:56:51 many STRUCT.ALIGNMENT and STRUCT-VALUES 22:57:30 tomorrow I'm off, but I'll try to look into this on Wednesday 22:58:11 I'm going to commit maxm's fix along with a test case or two. 22:58:15 ok 23:00:49 I still think we need to explicitly block compiler-macros 23:01:00 EarlGray [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 23:01:38 take for example the deref.nonconst.* tests: (let ((type :unsigned-char)) (mem-ref p type)) 23:01:59 -!- ferada [~ferada@dslb-088-069-043-179.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:02:13 if one day some CL gets smart type propagation this will test the compiler-macro 23:02:25 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-244.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 23:02:59 or maybe SBCL already does this kind of const propagation 23:03:33 I'd rather not do so by duplicating the size of the test suite. 23:03:55 using RT's compilation flag has worked well in the past. 23:03:59 as in lines of code ? 23:04:18 right. 23:04:40 that can be easily hidden with a macro 23:05:58 something that outputs two versions of a deftest one with (declaim (notinline #.some-list-of-known-compiler-macros)) the other without? 23:05:58 (define-cm-test deref.nonconst.char) that expands to (deftest deref.nonconst.char/compiler-macro) (deftest deref.nonconst.char/no-compiler-macro) 23:06:33 exactly 23:07:30 and the execution time of the test suite wouldn't increase much because most of the tests are super-fast anyway 23:07:45 still, having RT not compile the tests used to work just fine. Did it stop working? 23:08:48 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:09:19 no, but the assumption that eval'd tests call the full function and that the compiled tests always run the compiler-macro doesn't necessarily hold 23:10:20 writing with TAGBODY and GO feels... nice 23:11:57 -!- statonjr [~statonjr@adsl-74-235-171-94.clt.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: statonjr] 23:13:34 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@190.8.100.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:15:02 fe[nl]ix: I guess we can have a meta-test, letting us know whether that former assumption holds. :) 23:15:54 it doesn't seem to hold, btw. heh. 23:16:40 Wouldn't (declare notinline) require the compiler macro to not fire? 23:16:41 that's why I think we need more control over what we actually test 23:17:30 nyef: yes, but the opposite, (declare inline) will not necessarily force the compiler-macro to execute 23:17:54 Right, there's no portable way to force a compiler-macro to expand. 23:18:42 nyef: would you add one such declaration for us :) 23:19:15 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75f3d4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 23:20:25 Sorry, no can do. I barely have the mental bandwidth available to be on IRC at this point. 23:20:32 does eval-ing the result of funcalling the compiler-macro-function not work? 23:21:02 That might do the trick, actually. Is there a compiler-macroexpand? 23:21:21 more or less 23:21:35 Heck, #.(compiler-macroexpand '(...)) 23:22:12 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75f3d4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:22:14 shouldn't (funcall (compiler-macro-function whatever) form nil) work? I don't think there's a compiler-macroexpand 23:22:44 er, guess you should use macroexpand-hook. 23:24:03 huangjs [~huangjs@190.8.100.83] has joined #lisp 23:25:08 Okay, that said, I need to go find dinner and whatnot. 23:25:10 -!- nyef [~nyef@c-174-63-105-188.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 23:25:36 Ah. (let ((rt::*compile-tests* nil) (sb-ext:*evaluator-mode* :interpret)) ...) does the trick. 23:28:41 tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.169.134] has joined #lisp 23:31:42 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-215-120-165.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:32:20 stlifey [~stlifey@119.121.147.79] has joined #lisp 23:34:02 antonv [5d7d3142@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.66] has joined #lisp 23:36:27 _tca [~tca@thewired.me] has joined #lisp 23:38:41 tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:40:31 dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 23:44:11 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:44:25 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-143-164.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:46:35 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-143-164.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:47:10 ympbyc [~ympbyc@p435d99.sitmnt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 23:47:20 luis: hi! Can you test asdf 2.21? Can you test the current asdf-bundle? 23:47:33 oh, wrong luis. 23:49:07 -!- Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has quit [Quit: weil das Wetter so schön ist] 23:51:03 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-168-240.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:51:38 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-143-164.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:52:40 oh noes. Is there another luis? 23:56:05 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:57:22 -!- ympbyc [~ympbyc@p435d99.sitmnt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has left #lisp 23:57:37 statonjr [~statonjr@cpe-174-096-171-160.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp