00:00:27 *row-separator* should not be quoted 00:00:30 the value is the symbol ^ 00:00:33 antik/physical-quantities/convert-timescale.lisp and gsll/init/interface.lisp, check for *real-ut1-utc* and *gsl-version* too 00:00:58 None of those should be quoted. 00:01:13 that's what i say, they don't work unquoted for cmucl 00:01:15 What problem did you have when they were not quoted? 00:01:21 What happened? 00:01:24 but they work when quoted for both cmucl and sbcl 00:01:35 homie: They "work", but don't do what they should. 00:01:47 well, i got into the debugger 00:01:58 on runnin cmucl 00:02:08 With what error? 00:02:15 The suspense is killing me. 00:02:21 and it told me somthing about symbol-error or something, symbol not found .... 00:02:59 but when i quote them, there's no error.... 00:03:16 Can you get the real error? 00:03:29 hmm wait, i'll unquote one of them and restart lisp 00:04:36 ok now i got the error 00:04:46 -!- gilligan_ [~gilligan_@176.5.253.132] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:04:51 pbgc [~pbgc@2.81.103.45] has joined #lisp 00:05:05 Can you paste it? 00:06:36 http://paste.lisp.org/display/128820 00:07:20 Ouch, what? 00:07:36 I wonder if it's a bug in CMUCL. 00:07:45 *Xach* does not have any cmucl systems handy 00:08:16 oh 00:08:18 CMUCL is the one CL I _don't_ have working at the moment. 00:08:43 homie: what version of CMUCL? 00:08:44 homie: Can you include the trace in there? 00:08:49 wait 00:09:23 -!- Kynes`_ is now known as Kynes` 00:09:39 http://paste.lisp.org/display/128820#1 00:10:50 homie: it looks to me like it is trying to evaluate the form at compile time instead of load time 00:11:03 What version of CMUCL? 00:11:36 20c 00:11:47 with unicode 00:13:19 http://paste.lisp.org/display/128820#2 00:13:51 homie: Try a simple case  like a file just with (defvar *fbb* 'x) (export *fbb*), and if that breaks, submit a bug. 00:14:25 FBB, BTW, is an acronym for Foo Bar Baz ;) 00:14:37 nope it does not error on the repl 00:14:45 homie: It wouldn't at the repl. 00:15:02 You need a file, and to compile it. 00:20:58 i compiled 00:21:40 and loaded the compiled file 00:21:42 no errors 00:22:25 what does that mean now, that the error is not in cmucl ? 00:22:38 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-5-43.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 00:23:41 and even *fbb* prints x in the repl after that 00:23:45 so all is ok 00:25:45 ok started even two times, once loading both the fbb.lisp and fbb.sse2f in succesion and evaling *fbb*, and once loading just fbb.sse2f after lisp -noinit and both work ok 00:25:52 returning just X for *fbb* 00:26:07 -!- pbgc [~pbgc@2.81.103.45] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 00:26:11 so i don't know where the error stems from now... 00:27:37 as i said when i unquote it in the alexandria file, i get the error tho 00:27:52 and when i quote it the error disappears 00:28:13 the quoting/unquoting only affects cmucl however, not sbcl 00:28:21 sbcl is fine with both forms 00:28:40 alexandria? 00:28:58 err, sorry antik 00:29:01 -!- lindes` [~user@p4FF1C7A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:29:32 -!- lindes [~user@p4FF1C7A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:29:43 brcrth [~user@unaffiliated/brcrth] has joined #lisp 00:31:27 -!- brcrth [~user@unaffiliated/brcrth] has quit [Client Quit] 00:32:23 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:34:14 neena [neena@unaffiliated/neenaoffline] has joined #lisp 00:39:03 homie: paste your file, eh? 00:39:06 homie: I get an error 00:39:19 *Xach* just installed debian via virtualbox to get a 32 bit system for cmucl 00:41:44 yam1 [~yami@117.136.19.200] has joined #lisp 00:42:12 -!- kornshell` [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/skulls] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:42:28 homie: If you had evaluated (defvar *fbb* 'x) at the repl before loading your file, the variable would be bound already. IE, you need to use a variable that isn't bound. 00:43:15 -!- yam1 [~yami@117.136.19.200] has quit [Client Quit] 00:43:17 http://paste.lisp.org/display/128820#3 - fails for me 00:43:28 rtoym: are you following along? this seems like a cmucl issue to me 00:44:43 Mine does not fail if I omit the defpackage/in-package 00:44:52 -!- jsnell [~jsnell@ash.snellman.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:44:59 -!- ft [efftee@shell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:45:10 -!- fmu [UNKNOWN@an9iex1i.u10r.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:45:21 fmu [UNKNOWN@unaffiliated/fmu] has joined #lisp 00:45:27 jsnell [~jsnell@ash.snellman.net] has joined #lisp 00:45:30 ft [efftee@shell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has joined #lisp 00:46:04 homie: you're still crazy, but this time for still using cmucl 00:46:32 he's keeping it real. 00:47:23 -!- blackwolf [~blackwolf@ool-4575fc51.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 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Still fails if I omit the defpackage/in-package. I'd be grateful if you sent it to the mailing list or filed a bug. 03:31:17 -!- Guest32898 [~arm@190.108.236.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:31:55 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA24D9E.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:32:53 Wrapping an eval-when around the defvar fixes the issue. I guess compile-time thing isn't happening in defvar. 03:32:57 clintm [~clintm@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:37:13 RX724 [~root@97-94-198-65.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #lisp 03:39:04 -!- RX724 [~root@97-94-198-65.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has left #lisp 03:39:51 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 03:41:50 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 03:41:53 -!- zmv [~zmv@186.204.144.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:43:29 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:45:26 Guest32898 [~arm@190.108.237.179] has joined #lisp 03:52:27 rtoym: the only thing that should happen at compilation time in defvar is to declare the symbol special. 03:53:15 So that shouldn't work? (I can never remember exactly what happens at each time.) 03:54:29 compile-file on the third annotation doesn't fail. 03:54:32 Why should it? 03:54:39 But it doesn't do what you expect perhaps. 03:55:51 It will export a symbol fail::^ when you load the file (or the fasl). 03:58:23 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.94.150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:58:38 Yeah. The compiler is doing something to export that shouldn't be done. 03:58:41 I think. 03:58:43 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.64.133] has joined #lisp 03:59:27 No. After compile-file, do-external-symbols :fail reports no symbols. 04:00:02 export is a function there's no way it can have a effect at compilation time if it's not in an eval-when. 04:00:36 Yeah, replacing export with sin works. 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Or for blocks too ? 06:26:15 -!- RomyRomy_ is now known as RomyRomy 06:27:08 -!- antgreen [~user@CPE0021910f07ac-CM0019477f82fc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:27:17 -!- DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-14-2.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 06:29:44 jasox: well, it's a macro, that creates a block, but it necessarily has its "endlist" argument... 06:30:33 jasox: there is a special operator called block, if you want it, or there's progn... what are you aiming for? 06:33:08 "DO ({(Var [Init] [Step])}*) (Test Exit-Form*) Declaration* Form* 06:33:08 Iteration construct. Each Var is initialized in parallel to the value of the 06:33:08 specified Init form. On subsequent iterations, the Vars are assigned the 06:33:08 value of the Step form (if any) in parallel. The Test is evaluated before 06:33:11 each evaluation of the body Forms. When the Test is true, the Exit-Forms 06:33:14 are evaluated as a PROGN, with the result being the value of the DO. A block 06:33:18 named NIL is established around the entire expansion, allowing RETURN to be 06:33:21 used as an alternate exit mechanism." 06:33:26 find out that in documentation 06:33:50 -!- jasox [~user@178.239.26.136] has left #lisp 06:36:30 jasox [~user@178.239.26.136] has joined #lisp 06:40:47 -!- Phooodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:41:02 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:41:03 Phoodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 06:42:21 jasox: so basically, you wanted to find this? http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/m_do_do.htm ? :) 06:42:47 (one of many copies of the hyperspec; just happened to be the first one I got to via google in this case.) 06:43:34 neat 06:45:11 I am reading land of lisp, pretty good book for beginners. There is periodic system for loops :D. Seems complicated right now. 06:46:02 I've personally been going through Practical Common Lisp, and finding it to be a better introductory book than some others I'd tried... http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ 06:46:33 I don't think I've tried Land of Lisp, though, so YMMV 06:46:43 I am planning to read that book after LoL 06:47:50 oh, wait... I've at least seen the website. I'm glad the author is embracing his style -- I'm sure it's good for some. I prefer a little less comic book, though, for myself. ;) 06:48:16 -!- sacho [~sacho@95-42-98-81.btc-net.bg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:48:24 Hahah yeah, there is video on vimeo.com. Sec 06:48:40 http://vimeo.com/9605639 06:48:49 jasox: if you mean "lisp on lines", you'll probably want to read "on lisp" beforehand, as the first builds on some of the worst ideas in the second, and refers to it. 06:49:05 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-5-43.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:49:29 H4ns: Land of lisp 06:49:46 jasox: ok, phew 06:49:48 :) 06:52:52 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:53:01 Periodic table of loop macro http://imageshack.us/f/72/loop1.png/ pretty useful 06:53:03 H4ns: if you're not already familiar: http://landoflisp.com/ even without the video, you get an idea of the style. :) 06:53:22 CrazyThinker [~CrazyThin@unaffiliated/crazythinker] has joined #lisp 06:53:57 lindes: i've seen that. looks like a neat beginner book, but i have also seen negative critique in this channel. like "fails to introduce concepts before using them" 06:54:29 H4ns: meanwhile, say more about what you were saying? My first attempt to learn lisp was with On Lisp... I found it... excellent, but too theoretical for a first exposure. 06:54:39 -!- prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-590c3d56.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:54:55 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c3d56.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 06:55:35 H4ns: yeah... I could imagine that, but haven't actually tried reading it. I'm finding that Practical Common Lisp does a little of that ("fails to introduce...", but mostly does a good job of saying either "I'll talk about this later" or actually introducing things. 06:55:43 lindes: on lisp is pretty nice, but it is very advanced and many of the ideas are not practical. 06:56:03 "not practical"... in what way? 06:56:06 lindes: so i share your sentiments :) 06:56:14 H4ns: :) 06:56:20 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.104.38] has joined #lisp 06:56:38 lindes: well, it describe ways to bend lisp, but i've found it better not to bend it when writing real programs. 06:57:06 lindes: anaphoric macros are a prime example - kind of neat, but a terrible idea, too. 06:57:20 c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 06:57:26 H4ns: hmm, interesting. He makes some compelling arguments for bending, I think... why are you against bending? 06:57:31 lindes: they do show how nice lisp is, though, and in a confined way. and the writing is grind. 06:58:05 lindes: yes. i'm more on the traditional side. i use lisp macros to augment lisp with domain specific constructs, not to change the language itself. 06:58:06 "grind" as adjective? 06:58:23 darn, not grind, great! :) 06:58:44 my typing is awful, sorry. 07:01:18 H4ns: hehe, that's ok. I just like to make sure I'm understanding what's intended... and I could guess that grind might have meant great, but... I wouldn't have been sure I was right to guess it. ;) 07:02:16 H4ns: but something very close to anaphoric macros, *-let macros, are quite nice. 07:02:33 to the extent of being in alexandria, even 07:02:57 Ralith: my rule has been "if it is in alexandria, i use it" for a while, and that works for me 07:03:20 alexandria does have good taste. 07:03:26 but it's a bit sparse 07:03:41 I've found prog1-let to be quite useful in imperative styled code, for example. 07:04:13 useful, but then, "(prog1 (let" is not so much worse. 07:04:15 H4ns: have you read Beating The Averages -- http://paulgraham.com/avg.html -- ? (I'm guessing it's likely, but I dunno.) 07:04:20 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@206.126.93.212] has quit [Quit: Kron awayyy!] 07:04:27 H4ns: er, that doesn't work at all... 07:04:46 Ralith: you see, this is why i don't want prog1-let :) 07:04:51 ? 07:04:57 because you're not familiar with it? 07:05:19 Ralith: i made a false assumption how it works, because it is named like familiar things. 07:05:32 H4ns: but the other *-let macros don't work that way either... 07:05:36 lindes: years ago, yes. 07:05:46 the let form has to be on the outside for all of them. 07:05:51 I'm not sure what you're thinking of. 07:06:33 lindes: years ago, but i don't remember much of it. 07:07:08 lindes: in general, i have grown to become sceptic about lisp's greatness and about the promises that graham made to me when i started like 10 years ago 07:07:41 H4ns: hmm, actually, that may not be the essay I'm thinking of... scanning/searching for the argument that caught my attention... 07:07:47 Ralith: as i said, if it is in alexandria, i'd be willing to look prog1-let up. otherwise, it is something i'd not use or mandate. 07:07:59 _pw_ [~user@222.65.44.188] has joined #lisp 07:08:08 H4ns: well, if you don't follow his advice to bend the language, you'll be losing a lot of the benefits he promises. :D 07:08:16 H4ns: what you said was that you mistakenly assumed it worked like familiar thingsbut it works exactly like the familiar things. 07:08:29 lindes: reality failed to prove that he is right. 07:08:31 it's a trivial extension. 07:08:44 Ralith: get it into alexandria then :) 07:09:11 *Ralith* doesn't care enough to find out how to go about doing that 07:09:23 Ralith: i'm not saying that language extensions are always bad and should never been done. i'm saying that i tend to avoid them and don't invent my own very often. 07:09:24 I usually end up with a utils.lisp anyway 07:09:50 Ralith: sure. i have that as well, but my utils.lisp is much smaller these days. 07:09:52 H4ns: But, if you've avoided bending the language, then that's a false proof. Bending the language is exactly *why* he argues that lisp is so great. (As I understand him, anyway.) 07:10:06 lately mine mostly just contains prog1-let >_> 07:10:11 setheus [~setheus@cpe-72-190-112-13.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 07:10:16 still, trivial effort 07:10:22 *lindes* wanders off to look up prog1-let 07:10:26 you're right that alexandria mostly has the worthwhile things. 07:10:34 lindes: no. the failure of proof is that i've not seen any significant number of successful new lisp projects. 07:11:06 lindes: and the project that i've worked in were more enjoyable if they had a traditional style. 07:11:07 and if I expected that it was easy to get something into alexandria, I might try to, but I understand that they're quite picky. 07:11:15 (for good reason, but still) 07:11:21 lindes: (i'm a full-time commercial cl programmer, just so you know) 07:11:53 Ralith: it makes sense to try, in particular if it is trivial and useful 07:12:06 well, what's the procedure? 07:12:35 Ralith: send it to the alexandria-dev mailing list? i can look it up for you. a proper patch is helpful. 07:13:40 H4ns: OK, fair enough... though, I've had the impression that there were some pretty significant successful projects in recent years. Perhaps we different ideas of "successful"? Or perhaps we've just heard about different things. 07:14:00 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:14:01 kilon [~kilon@ppp-94-64-191-218.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 07:14:08 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 07:14:18 blah 07:14:19 Ralith: http://lists.common-lisp.net/mailman/listinfo/alexandria-devel 07:14:23 sorry about that; netbook's dying 07:14:28 thanks! 07:14:30 lindes: name a few 07:14:33 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 07:15:33 H4ns: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jak_and_Daxter , Orbitz, the Roomba, ... 07:15:44 Demosthenes [~demo@md62c36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #lisp 07:15:48 heh. 07:16:04 as per the last footnote in http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/introduction-why-lisp.html -- perhaps I've been misled? ;) 07:16:35 jak and dexter yes, but they've given up on lisp. orbit is qpx, and that is actually a successful lisp project, the roomba, have you seen it try to clean? 07:17:38 Orbitz still uses lisp doesn't it? 07:18:08 lindes: i'm not saying that lisp is not cool, mind you. it is just that there are more factors to a successful project than the language, and bending the language makes a project harder to maintain, generally. 07:18:42 lindes: so if you write something and bend the language, you'll have a harder time finding people who can maintain it. keeping it traditional helps avoiding that problem, to an extent. 07:19:10 rtoym: i'm not sure if they are still an ita customer, but i guess so. and if they are, they use qpx, which is still written in lisp (i think). 07:19:29 H4ns: true. Not without a different cost, though. Dangit, where's the paragraph I'm wanting to refer you to? 07:19:51 extending the language is great, but you should exercise caution and restraint when it occurs to you to do so. 07:19:54 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-5-43.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 07:20:26 lindes: graham seems to say: if you are a genius, lisp can help you write something collossal in little time and sell it to get rich. i'm not a genius, sadly. 07:20:38 Ralith: i'd sign that. 07:20:46 hmm, perhaps this is the essay I mean... http://paulgraham.com/icad.html -- section "The Cost of being Average" 07:20:48 H4ns: Oh right. I keep thinking Orbitz and ITA are the same, but they're not. And would a roomba clean better if it were not using lisp? :-) 07:21:11 rtoym: i can't say. i'm not even sure that it _runs_ lisp, though 07:21:34 H4ns: Ahh, well, I'm of the philosophy that genius is more something one *has* than something one *is*, so... perhaps you can find some genius. ;) 07:21:41 wait, roombas run lisp? 07:21:54 or rather, might? 07:22:55 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@md62c36d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:23:01 Ralith: according to http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/introduction-why-lisp.html "the Roomba, the autonomous robotic vacuum cleaner, whose software is written in L, a downwardly compatible subset of Common Lisp" 07:23:17 huh, I don't remember that bit. 07:23:17 neat. 07:23:34 I thought so. :) 07:23:44 scombinator [~user@121-73-59-25.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #lisp 07:23:51 well, looking at how well it actually cleans, i'm reluctant to call the roomba a success :) 07:24:22 -!- thom_logn [~thom@pool-173-60-243-134.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:24:27 it is more a gadget of the type "look ma, i've got a robot" and "it runs lisp, too!" :) 07:24:59 -!- _pw_ [~user@222.65.44.188] has left #lisp 07:25:45 anyway, lisp is cool and i love it. 07:25:50 Because of the algorithm or because it would be a sucky vacuum no matter what? I think it a pretty bad vacuum. (At least the early model was.) 07:26:13 rtoym: all of it sucked (sic) 07:27:30 Heh. A cute idea but pretty bad as a vacuum you'd really want to use. 07:27:34 joast [~rick@98.145.85.206] has joined #lisp 07:28:17 FreeArtMan [~fam@93.177.213.54] has joined #lisp 07:29:22 benny` [~benny@i577A8255.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 07:29:37 Demosthenes [~demo@m992c36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #lisp 07:29:52 -!- Jordan_U [~jordan@216.57.70.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:30:22 -!- jasox [~user@178.239.26.136] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:30:56 Jordan_U [~jordan@216.57.70.194] has joined #lisp 07:32:01 I dunno, "Total home robots shipped in fiscal 2010 were 1,269,000 units" sounds successful-ish to me. ;) 07:32:21 i.e.: There are various ways of defining success. :) 07:33:50 hey everyone, how do I, whilst working on a project (made with quickproject, btw) in ~/quicklisp/local-projects, reload the whole project? I have tried to back out of the package and then (package-delete :thepkg) and re- (quickload ...) it, but symbols that were redefined still hold their old code. What's the right way to do it? 07:33:52 -!- stickycake [~stickycak@rrcs-50-74-0-42.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: stickycake] 07:33:52 -!- RomyRomy [~stickycak@rrcs-50-74-0-42.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: RomyRomy] 07:33:59 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181241043.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 07:34:49 restart your lisp 07:35:18 stassats`: ok, somehow I figured that was it. Was hoping there would be a way around it, but ok. 07:35:27 ,restart in slime 07:37:18 H4ns: also, I suspect the likes of quicklisp will draw more people to lisp (or cause fewer of them to turn away), so... we may see an influx of projects in coming years. :) 07:39:43 Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@dsl-stat-43-17.mmc.at] has joined #lisp 07:39:58 lindes: For better or worse, I'm one of those people. 07:40:11 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:40:39 lindes: don't worry, #lisp will dispatch all the newcomers easily 07:42:52 -!- hmmmm [~hmmmmmmm@pool-96-253-194-175.sctnpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Just according to keikaku] 07:43:46 jasox [~jasox@178.239.26.136] has joined #lisp 07:43:51 stassats`: I hope you're wrong. :) 07:43:59 clintm: welcome! :) 07:44:07 clintm: me too, really. ;) 07:51:14 -!- kilon [~kilon@ppp-94-64-191-218.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:51:37 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-319820.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 07:53:20 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 07:55:56 -!- benny` is now known as benny 07:59:52 Ralith: meanwhile, I'm going back and re-reading your stuff from the other day now. Let's see what I can make of it after a (too-short, granted) night's sleep. ;) 08:00:04 -!- sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:09 LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@d54C06DE6.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 08:02:35 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 08:03:06 sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has joined #lisp 08:10:22 rly [~rly@unaffiliated/rly] has joined #lisp 08:10:23 -!- kanru`` [~user@61-228-146-116.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:12:48 Guthur [~user@host86-151-84-76.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 08:13:28 Ralith: with my current (un-changed since the other night) implimentation, I find the following: 08:13:30 (funcall (compiler-macro-function 'cl-ppcre:scan) '(scan #/test/ "test this thing") nil) 08:13:30 (SCAN (LOAD-TIME-VALUE (CREATE-SCANNER "test")) "test this thing") 08:14:01 so, the compiler macro runs create-scanner for me, with the way I return things. 08:15:05 jewel [~jewel@196-209-224-252.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:15:09 so... were you thinking I should do a create-scanner myself, though? 08:15:27 (in the form I return from the #// syntax) 08:16:30 anyway, it seems to me that your statement from the other day that "if you your syntax generates a string, then the compiler macros cannot optimize it" is false. Am I confused (or missing something), or am I right to think that that was a false statement? 08:16:50 you're confused 08:17:51 what implementation are you using? 08:18:26 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@h164n1-m-sp-d4.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:18:47 stassats`: implementation of... ? This is in reference to https://github.com/lindes/cl-ppcre/commit/4c1f7ec9162224cffef66c4b7bb49d9cd25c7f39 08:18:57 of lisp 08:18:59 naturally 08:19:07 ah. sbcl. 08:19:38 minion: named-readtables? 08:19:39 named-readtables: Named-Readtables is a language extension library that provides a namespace for readtables akin to the already-existing namespace of packages. http://www.cliki.net/named-readtables 08:19:46 you should use named-readtables 08:20:29 yes, I intend to make a change to how I do readtables already -- thank you for pointing out that specific example, though, I'll look at it. 08:20:48 it's not an example 08:21:18 -!- Guthur [~user@host86-151-84-76.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:21:28 Guthur [~user@host86-151-84-76.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 08:21:44 i just tried your macro and it applies the compiler-macro fine 08:21:51 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 08:21:55 not that there were any reasons it wouldn't 08:22:00 what I'm specifically trying to figure out for now, though, is whether there is a specific situation where what I'm doing now (returning a string) is somehow causing a compiler macro to not be able to do its job. 08:22:21 stassats`: right, so... the statement above that it can't do so is false, right? 08:22:55 let's dispense with double negations, it can be applied 08:24:06 stassats`: as for the "specific example" of named-readtables, I mean as apposed to other ways of dealing with the mucking-with-the-readtable issue that has already been pointed out and which I intend to address -- I'm just still trying to understand a *separate* criticism, having to do with optimizations and what type of value I return. 08:24:13 " is a reader macro which returns a string 08:24:25 #/ does the same thing 08:24:32 stassats`: the statement can be applied, or the compiler macro can be? :D 08:24:33 i don't see any reason they would behave differently 08:24:43 lindes: compiler macro 08:24:56 ok, so the statement was false. :) 08:25:12 lindes: named-readtables is the correct way to deal with it 08:25:59 minion: cl-interpol? 08:25:59 cl-interpol: CL-INTERPOL modifies the reader so that you can have interpolation of strings similar to Perl or Unix Shell scripts. http://www.cliki.net/cl-interpol 08:26:06 stassats`: cool, I'll use named-readtables, then. :) 08:26:32 stassats`: again, thank you for that pointer. I'd been pointed to information about readtables, but not to that feature. 08:27:45 stassats`: and indeed, http://common-lisp.net/project/named-readtables/ looks perfect for cleaning that aspect of things up. 08:28:21 so, have you considered using cl-interpol to do what you're trying to do? 08:28:59 Ralith: If I'm still missing something on the optimization side... well... I'm still missing it, and further advice would be appreciated. It *currently seems to me* that your belief that the compiler macros would lose their chance to do good things was simply mistaken, and thus I see no reason to change the form that I return (only the readtable state in which I do so ;)) 08:29:17 stassats`: No. I was not aware of it. Looking... 08:29:39 -!- lebro [~monx@ool-18bc4a28.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:29:41 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:29:41 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@87.247.50.122] has joined #lisp 08:29:41 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:29:42 -!- attila_lendvai1 is now known as attila_lendvai 08:29:42 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.50.122] has quit [Changing host] 08:29:42 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 08:31:20 dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 08:32:31 ah. heh. yeah, ok. So this already exists... and I didn't need to write any of this. :) 08:33:08 Interestingly, it's from the same person as cl-ppcre. I'm thinking the docs for the latter should make more effort to mention it. Either that, or I need to re-read. :) 08:33:36 #?/regexp/ works just fine. 08:34:19 *lindes* goes to delete the github fork, and/or revert it and just do a documentation change. :) 08:35:01 the named-readtables advice still applies, if you want to use this feature in your projects, enable cl-interpol in a separate read-table 08:35:29 the documentation of cl-ppcre mentions cl-interpol 3 times 08:37:09 ASau [~user@128-72-150-112.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 08:37:17 *lindes* goes back to RTFM school. :) 08:37:29 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 08:37:59 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@87.247.50.122] has joined #lisp 08:37:59 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:39:18 I guess the thing that's lost on me is why you'd use cl-ppcre *without* cl-interpol 08:39:45 because it works fine? 08:40:36 for some value of works fine... it requires a change to the syntax of regular expressions to express them in normal lisp strings. 08:41:07 the semantics are unchanged, but the syntax is changed... this... bugs me, greatly. 08:41:09 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@86.Red-88-11-22.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 08:41:19 writing two backslashes instead of one? 08:41:24 yes 08:41:25 i would hardly call it a change 08:41:57 [SLB] [~slabua@host85-170-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 08:41:57 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@host85-170-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 08:41:57 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 08:42:06 well, I see it as an important one, even if "small"... 08:42:23 it's a minute detail 08:42:48 unless you're trying to parse email addresses, of course 08:42:58 it makes it impossible, for example, to copy/paste a regexp from perl (the second p in ppcre, remember) and have it work compatibly (the c, remember) 08:43:27 or anything remotely complex, that needs backslashes. 08:43:41 as... *so many* things do. 08:44:07 are you projecting or that a genuine concern you've found while using cl-ppcre for many years? 08:44:17 s/that/is that/ 08:45:15 projecting... in the "imagining a complaint I'd have in the future" sense? 08:45:48 like that, yes 08:46:17 Perhaps, in ways... but it's a genuine concern at the outset. Nested quoting is something I'm pretty good at grokking and doing as needed -- and something I hate to have to do. 08:46:49 and since lisp has reader macros, I see it as something I should never "have to do" in the context of a regular use of cl-ppcre 08:46:59 and now that I know about cl-interpol, I never will. :) 08:47:44 also, of possible note to Ralith: cl-interpol returns strings, like I was doing. :) 08:47:48 did you know that you could copy-paste python code into lisp and it will work? 08:47:58 perhaps the same could be made with Perl 08:48:25 so you could copy-paste not only regular expression, but everything 08:48:49 with some package, I presume... that installs some new reader macros... ? 08:49:06 this doesn't surprise me, but no, I didn't know about it. I'd done the thought experiment, though. :) 08:49:16 Guest30496 [~BoSs@93.126.136.222] has joined #lisp 08:49:17 minion: cl-python? 08:49:18 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``cl-python''. 08:49:20 minion: clpython? 08:49:22 clpython: CLPython is an implementation of the Python programming language in Common Lisp. http://www.cliki.net/clpython 08:51:50 "the lisp curse" on HN again 08:51:54 just what was needed 08:52:13 whats mirc now 08:52:19 b4 it was chatting world wide 08:52:28 now its just a site yeah '??? 08:52:30 foolish 08:52:55 Guest30496: you're speaking nonsense 08:53:09 how come ?? 08:53:14 when nobody answers 08:56:21 -!- Guest30496 [~BoSs@93.126.136.222] has quit [] 08:56:59 "I tried to write a Lisp application once. Couldn't figure out how to make something standalone that could be run from bash. ... Eventually did my project in python." brilliant 08:57:16 *stassats`* learns what problems with Lisp people have 08:58:58 -!- two- [~textual@c-67-171-131-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:59:10 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp14-2-40-13.lns21.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 09:00:07 -!- jpanest [~jpanest@108-166-73-199.static.cloud-ips.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:00:33 jpanest [~jpanest@108-166-73-199.static.cloud-ips.com] has joined #lisp 09:00:46 -!- Beetny` [~Beetny@ppp14-2-44-15.lns21.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:01:07 -!- MrBusiness [~MrBusines@184.99.7.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:01:08 -!- adhoc [adhoc@50-56-189-236.static.cloud-ips.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:01:20 stassats`: Heh, that's a problem I had for a while, too. I've figured it out, now. Mostly. 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don't do anything fancy aside from the timestamp stuff. 21:42:40 just a css file 21:43:08 okay, it's probably just typically linux firefox craziness. 21:43:39 *hefner* wonders if he is a native english speaker. 21:44:19 jasox [~jasox@178.239.26.136] has joined #lisp 21:46:27 MoALTz__ [~no@31.185.58.75] has joined #lisp 21:47:22 sacho [~sacho@95-42-98-81.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 21:48:32 -!- c0atz1n_ [~c0atz1n@189.224.90.112] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:49:38 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@31.185.58.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:50:33 -!- sacho_ [~sacho@95-42-98-81.btc-net.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:51:09 pnq [~nick@ACA224C7.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 21:51:28 -!- jasox [~jasox@178.239.26.136] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:52:24 signs point to yes 21:52:55 o i hope this is a good slime 21:53:01 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 21:54:26 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 21:54:39 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