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(OSX) from cl (sbcl)? 04:24:54 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-157-120.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:25:00 I'm trying to figure out the least resitance vector of attack... 04:25:12 so far, I have some convoluted shit that involves apple script. :| 04:27:41 *hefner* would have guessed that would be the path of least resistance 04:29:49 maybe there's something easier that's more direct using cocoa or something... 04:31:52 IPC is up to the app 04:32:01 find the docs 04:32:28 yah, my first line of inquiry is itunes SDK 04:32:50 but that's a point that will necessarily have multiple middle dots to connect to get to sbcl. 04:33:00 apple script is the worst case failsafe... 04:37:54 -!- asdfhjkl [~bob@i5E879AE1.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:37:58 -!- rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:37:58 hmpf. 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(much like in yaws or tomcat) 08:44:46 dim: in that sense, yes 08:45:37 cool 08:45:53 so what sense I'm missing on the application server thingy? :) 08:46:11 dim: it has no notion of an "application" 08:46:32 well, that's a lisp kernel image running user code, I would guess? 08:46:54 *dim* is yet learning the lisp glossary here 08:46:56 dim: correct. but you don't get servlets and their associated infrastructure. 08:47:22 dim: hunchentoot is more like apache with modules. 08:48:10 say you implement a dispatch function for hunchentoot where you uses CLOS 08:48:26 will your object outlive the http request? 08:48:37 dim: you can make that happen, sure. 08:49:20 so the same "object" could handle as many http requests as you want to, always on the same dispatched route, whatever the session it's serving? 08:49:30 if yes, then I think we're very near the servlet offering 08:49:45 -!- DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-11-52.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120310011224]] 08:50:07 dim: yes, of course. hunchentoot never terminates your lisp, so whatever you have in your lisp can be accessed from hunchentoot handlers if you provide a path to the data. 08:50:33 what about threads and shared data? I still have to discover all about that :) 08:50:43 (I mean, in common lisp, not just in hunchentoot) 08:50:57 tiglog [~topeak@123.114.122.186] has joined #lisp 08:51:01 (a FM pointer is welcome) 08:51:07 dim: threads are not part of common lisp, so you'll have to figure that out in the context of your implementation. 08:51:21 dim: look at bordeaux-threads for a commonly used threading library. 08:51:24 either bordeaux-threads or specifics, from what I read 08:51:49 I would lean towards CCL specific threading support as of now, but don't know how wise a choice that would be 08:51:58 will read what they have to say about it, ok 08:52:14 dim: in general, you can expect your globally bound special variables to be accessible from all threads and most implementations don't crash if you concurrently access shared structures. 08:52:45 I will have to experiment then 08:52:53 that was mainly being curious though 08:53:11 dim: using non-portable code is a two-edged sword. it usually makes you move faster, but i often find that it slows me down later, when i need to debug or port over to other implementations for whatever reason. 08:53:19 I guess I might implement a web service in a project in CL as a monitoring / easy external process control thing 08:53:41 dim: (like, say, from ccl to sbcl for more runtime performance or the other way round for compiler performance) 08:54:10 H4ns: yeah I would figure that much, but... I want to be able to ship self-contained binaries, working on linux/mac/windows, and that seems to be limiting the implementation choice 08:54:52 dim: it limits the deployment implementation choice, true. 08:55:39 dim: there is nothing wrong with working with a specific implementation, i just find that i'm not making such a choice lightly. 08:55:41 my top list seems limited to ECL and CCL now, and I would tend to prefer CCL 08:56:01 dim: ccl is much better than ecl in general. 08:56:12 dim: but there are specific advantages in ecl, too. 08:56:26 dim: i wonder why you thing that sbcl is unsuitable? 08:57:08 -!- Borbie [~user@cmp-d-8k1gx2j.cmp.uea.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 08:57:29 MoALTz__ [~no@host-92-8-154-184.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 08:58:22 windows support. 08:58:29 dim: sbcl has that. 08:58:36 up to a point 08:58:42 flagged experimental in big letters 08:59:09 also, self-contained binaries not being huge would be a relief 08:59:14 there's out-of-tree windows support which is much less experimental, but you have to know where to find them 08:59:31 dim: what i mean to say is: if you stay portable, you could switch implementations. i.e. if you find ccl to be too slow, you could switch to sbcl. 09:00:09 ccl looks to be on the fast lane when talking about CL implementations... 09:00:36 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-8-154-184.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:00:38 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 09:03:04 what's the average size of CCL images? 09:03:49 i think a #size-of-lisp-images channel would be in order, to discuss that topic. 09:03:58 kanru`: the size of CCL image + the size of application code in the image 09:04:05 ahah, does size matters? :) 09:04:16 dim: you brought it up, thank you 09:04:32 heh 09:04:45 608K lx86cl 756K lx86cl64 24M lx86cl64.image 17M lx86cl.image 09:04:47 there there 09:04:59 osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has joined #lisp 09:05:00 H4ns: yeah I didn't know it would be frowned upon 09:05:08 I'll stop here about thos 09:05:12 s/thos/this/ 09:05:59 -!- springz [~springz@116.231.109.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:07:49 "Lisp programmers like it small, but get it big." 09:08:41 *maxm-* can not lie 09:09:00 while other lispers may deny 09:10:31 springz [~springz@116.231.109.177] has joined #lisp 09:11:27 -!- tiglog [~topeak@123.114.122.186] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:11:57 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-165-42.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:13:25 MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-8-238-143.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 09:14:34 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@c-67-169-182-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:14:39 window stick 09:16:17 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:16:37 -!- MoALTz__ [~no@host-92-8-154-184.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:18:09 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:20:54 nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-94-93.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 09:21:27 tlw8913 [~tenorplay@205.143.222.31] has joined #lisp 09:29:03 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-42.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 09:38:16 -!- KDr2 [~kdr2@125.34.40.54] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:39:55 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-234-173.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 09:40:03 -!- tlw8913 [~tenorplay@205.143.222.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:45:37 -!- naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 09:46:34 naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has joined #lisp 09:47:19 [SLB] [~slabua@host89-69-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 09:47:19 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@host89-69-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 09:47:19 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 09:56:47 -!- two- [~textual@c-67-171-131-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:03:12 Matt_S_G [~Matt_S_G@gateway/tor-sasl/mattsg/x-78535695] has joined #lisp 10:03:13 -!- ferada [~ferada@dslb-088-069-127-191.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:03:16 leo2007 [~leo@111.194.93.125] has joined #lisp 10:05:42 superflit_ [~superflit@71-218-200-111.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 10:06:53 -!- superflit [~superflit@65-128-32-95.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:06:54 -!- superflit_ is now known as superflit 10:07:36 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.1.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:08:22 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 10:09:38 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-pbqkpzbnuktmveed] has joined #lisp 10:11:50 adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 10:15:45 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 10:17:35 monotux` [~user@juno.hamsterkollektivet.se] has joined #lisp 10:18:07 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:18:59 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has joined #lisp 10:19:35 http://pastebin.com/1Q21uiDf <--- any ideas? 10:19:37 emacs lis 10:19:38 p 10:24:38 dsabanin [~dsabanin@89.22.161.11] has joined #lisp 10:24:42 monotux`: use (list player1 player2) instead of '(player1 player2). you want the value not the symbol 10:26:09 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:27:51 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.209.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 10:28:37 ah, thanks! 10:28:38 dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 10:28:49 i thought it was a simple error 10:29:07 there was a cl lib for persistent datastructues like in clojure, but i cant remember it's name - any ideas? 10:31:05 fset 10:31:28 http://www.cliki.net/FSet 10:35:19 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@100.Red-88-11-23.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 10:35:59 anyone know how to fix this issue? http://paste.lisp.org/display/128568 10:36:48 works fine in the REPL, but not when loaded from a file 10:36:49 tlw8913 [~tenorplay@205.143.222.31] has joined #lisp 10:37:47 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.158.80] has joined #lisp 10:37:49 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 10:38:04 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:38:33 pirateking-_-: how do you load it from the file? 10:39:22 I've tried (load (compile-file "hello-world.lisp")) on the REPL, as well as invoking C-c C-k from the buffer 10:39:55 fe[nl]ix: thanks! 10:40:13 pirateking-_-: well, it looks like an encoding problem 10:40:36 pirateking-_-: make sure your lisp is using the right one when compiling 10:40:42 pirateking-_-: is that with sbcl? 10:40:46 dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 10:40:50 i have the encoding for keyboard and terminal set to utf-8 in my .emacs 10:40:54 its with ccl 10:40:56 clozure cl 10:41:27 pirateking-_-: try setting ccl:*default-external-format* to :utf-8 10:41:40 pirateking-_-: the funny thing is that ccl does not give a flying anything about your .emacs 10:42:00 great good to know. i am just getting started with lisp today. 10:42:33 pirateking-_-: or start ccl with -K utf-8 10:43:17 i have this line on my .emacs: (setq inferior-lisp-program "/usr/local/bin/ccl64 -K utf-8") 10:44:24 doesn't appear to do the trick 10:44:37 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:45:17 H4ns: how can I set that ccl variable from within emacs? 10:45:45 i have installed SLIME from the cvs repo btw, if that makes any difference 10:45:47 pirateking-_-: H4ns's advice is better, -K only seems to set the terminal encoding 10:46:03 pirateking-_-: (setf ccl:*default-external-format* :utf-8) in the repl buffer 10:47:53 vervic [~vervic@88.116.134.106] has joined #lisp 10:48:59 awesome! I am getting some different output now not the correct japanese characters, but not the escaped characters 10:49:13 pirateking-_-: in the slime repl? 10:49:42 dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 10:49:46 -!- springz [~springz@116.231.109.177] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 10:49:57 http://paste.lisp.org/display/128570 10:50:35 you can see, the same string in the buffer does not match the output in the repl 10:51:59 shifty [~user@114-198-85-202.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 10:52:22 pirateking-_-: what does (length "") in the repl give you? 10:52:49 4 10:54:04 pirateking-_-: and if you change the hello-world function to do it? 10:54:22 9 10:54:25 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.206] has joined #lisp 10:55:03 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:55:07 pirateking-_-: so you see the file is not compiled with the right encoding 10:55:10 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:55:28 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 10:55:31 hmm, any clue why ? 10:55:38 i have utf-8 specified everywhere 10:55:40 -!- tlw8913 [~tenorplay@205.143.222.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:56:19 -!- mensch [~mensch@c-67-189-240-148.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:56:26 pirateking-_-: well, do you have the correct locale set? 10:56:43 pirateking-_-: if you had that, you would not have to change any variables 10:57:08 (setq locale-coding-system 'utf-8) 10:57:11 i have that line in my .emacs 10:57:27 pirateking-_-: that's for emacs only; your ccl is a different process 10:57:34 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 10:57:44 is there a easy way to read out the locale set for ccl 10:58:14 pirateking-_-: that's what you have when you start up your ccl (if you do it from emacs, then for emacs, too) 10:58:33 pirateking-_-: why don't you try getting a shell with correct locale set, then start emacs and ccl from there? 10:58:40 pirateking-_-: just to try it 10:59:55 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:01:48 ok, i've got some knowledge about ldb. looks like error in function corruption_warning_and_maybe_lose in sbcl-1.0.55 11:02:18 jdz: i started a new shell, and ran emacs and lisp 11:02:22 same issue 11:02:29 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-144-193.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 11:02:37 pirateking-_-: have you set the correct locale in the new shell? 11:02:55 how would i set that? 11:03:17 pirateking-_-: something like export LANG=whatever.UTF_8 11:03:21 xvilka: now you need to find out how the memory has been corrupted. you said something about "pax", what is that? 11:03:22 ah yea 11:03:26 that was already set 11:04:00 pirateking-_-: ok, then try without emacs, first 11:05:52 H4ns: PaX - stuff from grsecurity hardening linux team. It changes some elf headers - adding new elf section 11:06:15 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.76.228] has joined #lisp 11:06:15 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.76.228] has quit [Changing host] 11:06:15 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 11:07:22 xvilka: ok. i can't help. maybe you want to contact the sbcl-devel mailing list. 11:07:44 H4ns: yes, because their irc channel looks dead 11:07:55 xvilka: because of that. 11:08:35 thx for tips 11:08:53 kwmiebach [kwmiebach@vps-6813.united-hoster.de] has joined #lisp 11:09:38 antonv [2e35c31b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.53.195.27] has joined #lisp 11:09:47 jdz: it works fine when i run `ccl` from the command line 11:09:54 even without specifying -K utf-8 11:10:24 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 11:12:14 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-pbqkpzbnuktmveed] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:12:46 pirateking-_-: works fine meaning that the length of the string is 4? 11:13:19 H4ns: it is sbcl-devel@lists.sf.net, right? 11:13:36 xvilka: look on the sbcl home page, please. 11:13:53 yes, i've found 11:15:13 urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-219-207.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 11:15:21 dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 11:15:34 yes 11:16:13 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16:37 oh no 11:16:40 the length is 12 11:16:59 when i run (length "") 11:17:39 outside emacs within slime repl, length is 4 11:17:52 -!- fantasticsid [~user@2001:da8:8001:708:f5e7:6e97:df4e:56c6] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:20:05 -!- impulse32 [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176442544.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:22:03 xvilka: for the record, the sbcl irc channel is not dead 11:22:15 btwm they are going to release 1.0.56 this or next week 11:22:45 Kryztof: it was two times, when i was there 11:22:54 fantasticsid [~user@2001:da8:8001:708:6968:a8d2:9e85:136] has joined #lisp 11:23:13 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:23:20 well, what you mean is that no-one replied to you 11:23:29 that's not at all the same thing 11:23:40 eslg [~ulgen@mail.star-force.com] has joined #lisp 11:23:48 nope. even no other msgs too 11:24:27 at least someone can say "go ahead and RTFM" 11:24:52 xvilka: possible, but entirely optional 11:25:09 nevertheless, I assure you that the sbcl channel is not dead 11:25:18 you can of course choose not to believe me 11:25:47 i can check it easy - just stay here 11:25:48 SBCL initialize *default-external-format* from LANG. Set LANG to en_US.UTF-8 11:25:58 or ja_JP.UTF-8 11:26:21 -!- albacker [~eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:27:21 verify that corresponding files exist in /usr/share, do "locate en_US" and "locate ja_JP" from shell 11:28:02 tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:28:40 It's a bit like Cthulhu. 11:30:18 i have en_US.UTF8 in /usr/share/locale 11:31:03 I'm using CCL btw, not SBCL 11:31:18 ah, and it works from command line, but not from where? 11:31:37 maxm-: do you have a scrollback buffer? then use it. 11:31:39 http://paste.lisp.org/display/128568 11:31:50 original paste 11:32:04 -!- gekko_ [~jjk@exchange.pro-it.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 11:33:36 H4ns: do you have to butt-in into every conversation of mine with useless comments? 11:33:49 sorry to bother you all with this. whenever i start learning a new language, i use this slightly more complicated "hello world"  i usually end up learning more from it. 11:33:51 gekko_ [~jjk@exchange.pro-it.dk] has joined #lisp 11:34:00 -!- urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-219-207.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:34:16 maxm-: we've been through this during the last hour, and my comment was meaning to help you with your analysis. 11:34:35 maxm-: but if you prefer to ignore whatever has been found out and try again right from the start, just go ahead. 11:34:57 pirateking-_-: its fine, hold on.. Some people like their channels idle for hours, and are distracted by anything useful being accomplished.. For your problem, from shell, type "locale" what is the value of LANG= line on top? 11:35:30 LANG="en_US.UTF-8" 11:37:34 H4ns: well I did read the scrollback and its unclear kind of.. It seems there are 3 cases, "outside emacs, within a slime REPL" <- no idea what this means... "in the shell" <- just starting "ccl" from shell window? 11:37:42 -!- leo2007 [~leo@111.194.93.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:38:51 yes "in the shell" = running ccl directly from the command line 11:38:52 ok, now I got it, if he uses defun then length is 12, but if he uses (length) from repl, then its fine 11:39:17 how do you evaluate the defun? Doing c-c c-c from Emacs? Or type it from repl? 11:39:33 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.206] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:39:52 C-c C-k from emacs 11:40:37 it seems that somehow slime-compile-file is not having the same binding for default-external-format... You probably should take this to #ccl as not to give H4ns heart attack by amount of scrolling 11:40:58 i brought it up in #ccl, but things are quiet there 11:41:05 lets go there 11:43:09 -!- bjonnh [~bjonnh@147.210.71.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:45:46 -!- vervic [~vervic@88.116.134.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:46:04 ha-ha, looks like this is a looong way to fix that sbcl issue 11:46:21 and need read its sources deeeeply 11:47:38 reproduced, temp fix found, looks like either slime or CCL bug 11:48:00 -!- Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:52:11 tlw8913 [~tenorplay@nat1058.oc.edu] has joined #lisp 11:55:31 add^_ [~add^_^@m90-141-43-65.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 11:57:22 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:04:07 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:09:44 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:09:58 -!- kilon [~user@178.59.17.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:10:57 ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has joined #lisp 12:11:08 -!- tlw8913 [~tenorplay@nat1058.oc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:11:49 sunwukong [~vukung@t1.iit.bme.hu] has joined #lisp 12:11:56 xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.195] has joined #lisp 12:12:08 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.104.244] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:12:25 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.104.244] has joined #lisp 12:13:50 -!- xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.195] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:14:20 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-24-151.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:14:39 does clx work on sbcl 1.0.55? 12:14:50 xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.195] has joined #lisp 12:14:56 i'm trying to setup stumpwm on my new machine, but keep running into problems compiling clx 12:17:24 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-144-193.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:20:34 ecraven: works for me. 12:20:36 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:20:36 ecraven: what problems? 12:21:02 using arch linux packages, i'm just trying to use quicklisp or something manual, maybe the packages are to blame 12:21:40 ah 12:22:37 ferada [~ferada@dslb-088-069-127-191.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 12:22:50 dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 12:24:36 (require 'asdf-install) (asdf-install:install 'clx) runs into "debugger invoked on a ASDF:COMPILE-ERROR in thread ... Error while invoking # on # 12:25:38 asdf-install is not a good way to install clx or anything else 12:25:49 so quicklisp? 12:25:55 quicklisp is pretty good 12:25:59 i'll try that :) 12:27:11 tiglog [~topeak@117.79.232.192] has joined #lisp 12:27:25 hm.. all the arch linux packages should be converted to use quicklisp 12:27:48 why? 12:27:53 I don't see how that could work. 12:28:03 because obviously whatever they use now, it doesn't work so well :) 12:28:49 I think there's just insufficiently dedicated personnel working on the packages 12:29:32 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:30:18 I think what he means is that all arch lisp packages should be converted to quicklisp. IMO the real solution is to ignore the arch (or, in my case, debian) packages 12:30:35 well, that's certainly the practical solution 12:30:46 I don't understand what "convert to use quicklisp" would entail, though. 12:30:57 echo "Just use quicklisp" 12:31:20 There are some benefits of having one package system, though 12:31:44 dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 12:32:54 Xach: turn the package into an install script that uses quicklisp, I imagine 12:33:07 MoALTz__ [~no@host-92-8-157-42.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 12:33:25 dlowe: Quicklisp usually installs in your home directory, though. That is way different than normal packaging stuff. 12:35:09 well, that's what distribution patches are for 12:35:34 I remember Debian having this fight with rubygems. In the end, I think everyone lost 12:35:48 oof 12:36:03 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-8-238-143.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:36:33 Because now there's the debian branch of ruby libraries (including an old copy of rubygems) and the branch everyone actually wants to use, which you get by installing your own rubygems 12:36:51 Sounds fun. 12:36:53 I guess we have that in lisp land too, come to think of it 12:37:02 the first big problem is that a build system needs to be invokable as executable in order to integrate with debian packaging, which is based on makefiles 12:37:08 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:37:41 the biggest problem with debian packaging of lisp libraries is that they wanted to make it work with every lisp implementation 12:37:42 the same with most other distro systems, actually 12:38:22 how is that a problem? 12:38:26 ah yes, wanting to have a "lisp" alternative :D 12:38:31 also, common-lisp-controller 12:38:45 I like debian packages, I like quicklisp, I just don't see a path to integration with debian (or any other package-type stuff) yet. 12:39:22 c-l-c was the scheme they made to make lisp libraries auto-compile with the available lisp implementations 12:39:43 more metadata are required to integrate with a distro 12:39:59 Xach: I think it's not going to really be possible 12:40:09 dlowe: why not ? 12:40:10 though I'd be interested in a quicklisp that stores in a system location 12:40:11 Xach: how about a quicklisp debian packages that goes into eg. /usr/lib/ql/, and then a package per system that goes below this path, and has the correct dependencies? 12:40:35 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:41:01 simple "= version-as-date" (ie. the current ql release date) would work, I think 12:41:37 fe[nl]ix: I think any adapter will be about as successful as c-l-c 12:42:10 why ? 12:42:13 Putting Quicklisp into $distro_package would not be the problem, the problem comes when you want to link $interpreter to Quicklisp 12:42:34 I've had the flu the past week, which has really slowed me down, but I'm still working on those vanilla sbcl packages 12:42:41 dlowe: yay 12:43:22 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:43:32 one doesn't need to ship fasls, just make sure that the right dependencies on C libraries and executables are added 12:44:44 the world of lisp extensions seems rather... well. developer oriented 12:45:05 debian is sysadmin oriented, that means having a system that's easy to reproduce when you don't know any of its innards 12:45:10 I guess 12:45:15 it's possible to do better 12:45:19 I hope so 12:45:29 because as a newcomer it's damn too easy to get lost 12:47:10 dim: wouldn't half the point of writing programs be that sysadmins can use it? 12:47:28 for example, if one were to limit support to SBCL, one could concatenate fasls and have, e.g., a single /usr/lib/sbcl/drakma.fasl 12:47:45 can't ship .fasls, since implementation change them too fast incompatibly 12:48:21 juts ship sources, load with asdf, it uses ~/.cache with per-implementation key 12:48:37 maxm-: you certainly can, if you wanted 12:48:39 or don't insist on having the latest implementation 12:48:47 exactly 12:49:11 -!- eslg [~ulgen@mail.star-force.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:49:30 fe[nl]ix: you can with more stable lisps, but pace of development on SBCL and CCL makes it impossible, as answer to any bug report is "its fixed 1 month ago, upgrade", and upgraded version usually changes .fasl format 12:50:07 one could even have debian lisp repository with 3-month turnaround, as long as you don't even dream of pushing those packages into Debian itself 12:50:15 python changes .pyc format maybe every 2-3 years 12:50:55 I think python debs are source anyway 12:51:01 produce a binary that includes the lisp binary and "kernel image" 12:51:13 dlowe: exactly, they get compiled in post-inst 12:51:13 so that the "end user" application just works 12:51:19 dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 12:51:21 the problem really is all about libs, right? 12:52:58 anyway, java has almost the same problem, and everyone doing any serious java development, usually just stuffs their $project/META-INF/lib with megabytes of specific .jar files, rather then rely on package system 12:53:13 thats so UGLY 12:54:16 but it has the serious advantage that it isolates application distributions from one another 12:54:47 but it has the serious disadvantage that it takes a lot more space and loads a lot more into memory 12:54:47 i hate it having to upgrade my whole "ports" tree just because i want one application that needs a newer version of some "ports" installed library 12:55:20 Subfusc: "serious" and "lot" are not absolute terms. 12:55:32 Subfusc: i'm willing to trade memory for stability. 12:56:18 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:56:27 at some level this is encouraging sign. It only happens to vibrant / fast environments.. Ie when STL/C++ stdlib was in its infacy, you also had to compile your own STL 12:57:16 at some point it will settle down when winners and losers emergy, and clear winners emergy from CL "zoo" of libraries, with coverage that approaching of CPAN or python standard lib 12:57:47 Unkl347 [~Unkl347@unaffiliated/unkl347] has joined #lisp 12:58:20 I doubt that. many of the pains are caused by the existence of so many and different CL implementations 12:58:28 which are unlikely to just disappear 12:58:51 easier just to ignore them. 12:58:54 Subfusc: it's necessary: libraries installed by distribution change more often than the applications depending on them! 12:58:57 H4ns: you don't have to trade of stability. But you do have to trade of a lot of memory if you only run a few of these applications 12:59:04 dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 12:59:13 Subfusc: if the applications didn't include the libraries they depend on, they would break every month! 12:59:53 this all packaging stuff reminds me of macosx .dmg against debian packaging, it's just not the same trade offs 13:00:38 pjb: then there is a problem with how these libraries are designed. 13:00:40 Dalek_Baldwin1 [~Adium@71-84-33-22.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 13:00:48 but yeah, they sound like infancy problems 13:00:54 hefner: there are three big(and mostly separate camps) of people developing open source CL code: Linux/sbcl, OSX/ccl and Win32/lw 13:01:10 so CL is still in its infancy, being in its 30s? 13:01:13 fe[nl]ix: you missed me 13:01:16 hefner: ignoring those using OSX will make you lose a lot of important code 13:01:29 LispWorks is Open Source? 13:01:41 CCL should get a debian package so that it's not a MacOSX thing, right? 13:01:49 jdz: I didn't, you're just in one of the very small camps 13:02:19 dim: if the libraries change every month to the point that they break applications made on them they are either extremly new or extremely badly administred 13:02:39 -!- Unkl347 [~Unkl347@unaffiliated/unkl347] has left #lisp 13:03:29 Subfusc: applications breaking after half a year are even worse 13:03:29 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-33-22.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:03:50 Subfusc: the other problem being that to just run your app you're asking users to install (and choose) a lisp implementation and all the libs you depend upon 13:03:51 Subfusc: because the effort to fix broken applications grows over time of lttle or no maintenance. 13:04:02 that's ok with debian like OS where it's automatically done 13:04:06 up to a point, even 13:04:26 not if you target users that don't want to think about how to get your app 13:04:53 dim: that is what the packagemanager is for, to deal with these problems 13:05:04 I don't care about windows, where this is the norm anyways 13:05:46 I have to care about windows and macosx in my idea of a CL project because it's currently done in python and I already have windows users... so what now? 13:06:22 People at Apple or Microsoft work very hard when they change their libraries to ensure that old programs don't break. That is probably more than half their work load. People writing free libraries don't care (they assume the sources of the applications are available to recompile and debug). 13:06:31 dim: you need to give them linux! happiness ensues! 13:06:32 Missunderstand me right, I like the _ability_ to do this in CL, but I hate the fact that it is the only way to distribute it 13:07:00 pjb: i'd care more if i could afford it. 13:07:13 pjb: unfortunately, i have a job and a life, too. 13:07:26 Kryztof [~user@178-250-48-113.streamapn.com] has joined #lisp 13:07:39 H4ns: sure, I don't mean that either case is bad. 13:07:56 tlw8913 [~tenorplay@nat1058.oc.edu] has joined #lisp 13:08:02 That's for different kind of "applications". 13:08:07 kinds 13:08:18 ainm [~ainm@82.Red-79-156-38.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:09:30 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:09:51 pjb: that's not really true regarding Apple 13:10:24 they force people into moving at their pace, IIUC 13:10:44 fe[nl]ix: Well, recently they tend to drop old systems support, but you can still run applications compiled against 10.4 libraries. 13:10:44 H4ns: happiness when being forced into linux, I don't think so 13:10:58 H4ns: it so happens that it's my favorite system, but please... 13:11:13 dim: i was not meaning to be serious. 13:11:18 H4ns: good then :) 13:11:27 But indeed, as I said, it's a big part of the work load, that's why they cannot support more older versions. 13:11:30 *dim* is new here and that shows up 13:11:34 -!- hefner [~hefner@c-69-255-57-56.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: I've got a bikeshed that needs painting.] 13:12:24 Subfusc: so, are you working on packaging CCL for debian? :) 13:12:48 dim: I don't use debian on my day-to-day desktop, so no 13:12:50 :P 13:13:03 too bad 13:14:00 yeah, I've heard good things about CCL, and I would have liked to try it myself 13:14:27 leo2007 [~leo@123.123.249.132] has joined #lisp 13:15:05 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@220.227.122.149] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:15:14 it's really quite easy to try it out, depending on what you want to try 13:15:24 but fetching a binary and running it is really easy 13:15:39 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@c-67-169-182-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 13:16:18 well, sort of. Was trying to compile it from source. 13:16:30 quicklisp as a debian package/rpm/port should suffice for most purposes anyway 13:16:32 I don't like having programs stored in $HOME 13:20:15 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has joined #lisp 13:20:37 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 13:25:19 -!- osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:25:46 -!- tlw8913 [~tenorplay@nat1058.oc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:28:30 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:28:50 -!- ainm [~ainm@82.Red-79-156-38.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:28:56 ainm [~ainm@82.Red-79-156-38.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:29:21 kanru`` [~user@61-228-144-148.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:29:55 dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 13:33:27 MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-8-233-25.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 13:35:10 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:35:29 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-42.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:36:14 X-Scale [name@2001:470:1f14:135b::2] has joined #lisp 13:36:30 -!- MoALTz__ [~no@host-92-8-157-42.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:41:19 totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:43:57 H4ns: I had an idea how to implement it. Won't require any changes just a few new indices which use FSet's sets instead of lists. Finding intersection should be efficient for them. 13:45:01 pirateking_ [~piratekin@c-67-169-182-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:46:13 brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:46:24 -!- pirateking_ [~piratekin@c-67-169-182-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:47:25 Vivitron [~user@pool-173-48-170-228.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:49:45 dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 13:52:13 -!- antonv [2e35c31b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.53.195.27] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:55:52 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:57:38 -!- fukushima [~fukushima@z1.61-193-209.ppp.wakwak.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:57:40 pnq [~nick@ACA32459.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 13:59:47 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 14:00:35 araujo [~araujo@190.38.61.1] has joined #lisp 14:00:35 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.38.61.1] has quit [Changing host] 14:00:35 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 14:02:08 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:02:10 -!- fantasticsid [~user@2001:da8:8001:708:6968:a8d2:9e85:136] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:17 hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:03:05 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 14:03:36 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 14:05:21 -!- xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.195] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:07:11 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:08:35 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 14:08:50 Kron_ [~Kron@206.126.93.212] has joined #lisp 14:12:40 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-8-233-25.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:12:49 MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-8-235-206.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 14:13:15 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:13:40 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 14:16:20 dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 14:16:39 MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-131-68.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 14:17:38 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:18:19 simon_weber [u4119@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-awgtpswmmpsrtpme] has joined #lisp 14:18:52 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-8-235-206.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:19:00 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 14:22:47 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:23:53 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:24:15 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 14:24:28 tlw8913 [~tenorplay@nat1002.oc.edu] has joined #lisp 14:29:14 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:29:32 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 14:31:57 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:32:35 osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has joined #lisp 14:34:02 -!- hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: hydo] 14:34:29 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 14:35:01 -!- dobroerlanger_ [591f76a3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.31.118.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:36:50 -!- Kryztof [~user@178-250-48-113.streamapn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:39:05 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:39:48 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 14:40:00 udzinari [~user@ip-89-102-12-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 14:41:46 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:41:50 maxm-: bummer. Was looking forward gsoc this year 14:42:04 sorry about that 14:42:17 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA32459.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:42:21 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:43:53 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has joined #lisp 14:44:31 did anybody actually think that lispnyc had a chance ? 14:44:33 dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 14:44:51 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 14:45:07 dto [~user@pool-72-70-40-118.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:45:34 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@206.126.93.212] has quit [Quit: Kron awayyy!] 14:45:59 fe[nl]ix: they did get some projects through in the past. 14:48:27 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 14:48:56 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:49:34 -!- totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:49:43 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:49:53 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 14:50:51 urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-216-239.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 14:50:52 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 12.0/20120321033733]] 14:52:17 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.158.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:54:13 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:54:55 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 14:55:33 copec [~copec@64.244.102.140] has joined #lisp 14:59:08 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:59:18 tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has joined #lisp 14:59:54 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 15:01:49 -!- ainm [~ainm@82.Red-79-156-38.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:01:55 ainm [~ainm@82.Red-79-156-38.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 15:04:23 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 249 seconds] 15:04:40 -!- tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:04:57 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 15:08:57 dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 15:09:19 -!- osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:09:24 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:09:55 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 15:10:11 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 15:12:06 -!- naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 15:12:26 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@100.Red-88-11-23.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 15:12:33 tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has joined #lisp 15:12:45 pdo [~pdo@31.221.13.71] has joined #lisp 15:13:48 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-175-251.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:14:29 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:14:50 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:14:52 ThomasH [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has joined #lisp 15:15:11 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 15:15:15 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-175-251.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:15:24 Greetings lispers 15:15:39 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.38.6.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:16:00 rme [~rme@50.43.136.254] has joined #lisp 15:16:24 -!- Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:16:29 -!- tlw8913 [~tenorplay@nat1002.oc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:16:39 dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 15:16:45 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:17:04 tlw8913 [~tenorplay@nat1002.oc.edu] has joined #lisp 15:17:21 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.177] has joined #lisp 15:18:57 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:20:12 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 15:20:16 -!- tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:20:45 superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 15:21:51 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:21:51 metaphysician [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 15:22:59 character encodings are hard; let's go shopping 15:24:02 Don't shop at Ikea unless you want to see ? 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15:53:30 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:53:52 I do 15:54:01 And I assume it's in quick lisp? 15:54:09 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.178.29] has joined #lisp 15:54:10 Grrr. Spelling checker. 15:54:10 And some Lisp for talking to everything else AWS, though it's not nearly as polished or ready. 15:54:18 gigamonkey: it is. it is called "ZS3" 15:54:27 www.xach.com/lisp/zs3/ is the website 15:54:51 Ah-ha. Another vector for slipping Lisp into Etsy. 15:55:06 If I can write some kick-ass tools for dealing with our EMR jobs. 15:55:24 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 15:55:36 *sykopomp* had a great experience using zs3 in production 15:56:11 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 15:56:11 tlw8913 [~tenorplay@nat1002.oc.edu] has joined #lisp 15:56:41 stlifey [~stlifey@116.26.30.127] has joined #lisp 15:57:04 -!- IAMACorrect is now known as EyesIsMine 15:58:47 I used zs3 as an example of how to structure a system when we were inducting some python programmers into the Lisp Way. 15:59:10 *Xach* wishes it was more exemplary 15:59:12 chupish [182c5af4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.44.90.244] has joined #lisp 16:00:22 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:01:12 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 16:01:17 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 16:02:17 I'm trying to get my head around systems, looking at zs3 then :) 16:02:25 gigamonkey: Do you work at Etsy? 16:02:35 reb: I do. 16:02:47 milanj [~milanj_@212-200-192-196.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 16:02:52 Where are they physically located? 16:02:54 should i use (setf fdefinition) with a lambda function in order to dynamically create a function definition? i want to augment a function with some new functionality. 16:03:03 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:03:03 reb: the main office is in Brooklyn. 16:03:07 I'm remote. 16:03:21 wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has joined #lisp 16:03:34 is zs3 in github or the like? 16:03:41 Ahh ... but perhaps you visit from time to time? 16:03:52 I do. I was just there a couple weeks ago. 16:04:11 dim: yes 16:04:15 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 16:04:24 -!- tlw8913 [~tenorplay@nat1002.oc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:04:40 https://github.com/xach 16:04:53 https://github.com/xach/zs3 16:04:58 ahah that was hard to find :) 16:05:01 I also recently realized I did XML binding completely wrong. 16:05:15 Well, not "wrong", but with unnecessary bits that inhibit clarity. 16:05:16 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has joined #lisp 16:05:28 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:05:38 *Xach* is still searching for totally clear, simple, correct for his generic AWS stuff 16:06:09 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 16:06:23 -!- anaumov [~anaumov@opensuse/member/Alexander-Naumov] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06:36 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@101.63.144.233] has joined #lisp 16:07:38 Xach: how often do you revise code you wrote that's generally working alright? 16:07:51 tensorpudding [~michael@108.87.21.106] has joined #lisp 16:08:31 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-vtlkmmvotoqarpjc] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:08:36 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@108.87.21.106] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:08:36 nicdev_: hmm, i usually have to have some excuse 16:08:56 tensorpudding_ [~michael@108.87.21.106] has joined #lisp 16:08:56 nicdev_: but i do like to read code and i even like to read my own code when there's an excuse 16:09:12 -!- chupish [182c5af4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.44.90.244] has quit [Quit: be back later] 16:09:20 -!- tensorpudding_ is now known as tensorpudding 16:09:24 every time i think "this will be so terrible, i'm so much more experienced now" but i'm almost always pleasantly surprised by how great the author's design and choices were 16:09:27 i think that's probably a bad sign 16:09:54 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@116.26.30.127] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 16:09:57 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:20 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:10:21 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 16:10:39 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-42.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 16:10:59 hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:11:12 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:11:26 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 16:12:42 i am working on a habit to read code..but at the moment i am going into things that i am using, hunchentoot for now 16:12:42 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:13:08 but it's not wholesale reading more like read few functions here and there as i use them 16:13:19 Ediware is usually really nice to read 16:13:33 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13:36 "usually" meaning: All the code in his libraries I read so far 16:13:43 -!- tiglog [~topeak@117.79.232.192] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:13:47 i have heard here cl-ppcre is def worth reading and i am hoping to do so down the road 16:14:23 cl-ppcre is nice, some of the other stuff has a bulldog-ish "whatever works" style 16:15:04 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:15:45 CampinSam [~CampinSam@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 16:15:47 FreeArtMan [~fam@213.175.106.134] has joined #lisp 16:16:25 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 16:18:01 *gigamonkey* found the only way to read hunchentoot was to rewrite it. 16:18:32 that's OOP for you 16:21:20 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:21:34 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-124-69.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:21:41 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 16:23:34 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-124-69.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 16:24:02 Xach: hey ive finally got around to working on a game again instead of "infrastructure" :) http://blocky.io/aura01b.ogv 16:24:08 how are you? 16:25:03 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:26:28 dto: That's mightily pretty 16:26:44 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:27:00 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 16:27:06 -!- bobbysmith0071 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:27:46 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 16:28:48 snearch [~snearch@g225130105.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 16:30:00 Neronus: And intriguing. 16:31:10 cant wait to add actual gameplay :) 16:31:29 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:31:41 right now it's just an in engine demo but i have a lot of back story and stuff planned 16:31:43 -!- udzinari [~user@ip-89-102-12-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:31:51 http://i.imgur.com/xiEim.jpg 16:32:16 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 16:32:22 face in the sky :) 16:32:55 the plot is about evil aliens who live in the icy depths of a subsurface ocean under the purple planet in the video 16:33:17 they eat your head in Lovecraftian fashion and then absorb your soul 16:33:49 -!- treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:35:16 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@100.Red-88-11-23.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 16:36:12 Neronus, didi , glad you enjoy. 16:36:24 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:37:18 dto: It was not hard. ;^) 16:37:19 dto: video doesn't seem to load for me :/ (but probably just my problem) 16:37:19 it's awesome to be able to do animations such as this in lisp, i can just shove giant textures into cl-opengl 16:37:28 sellout: try .mp4 instead of .ogv on the link 16:37:34 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 16:37:41 thats why i always put both ogv and mp4, sometimes people have issues with 1 or the other 16:38:09 -!- TheMue [~TheMue@p5DDF628D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: TheMue] 16:38:11 -!- pdo [~pdo@31.221.13.71] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38:13 dto: Yeah, I have an ogv plugin, but *shrug*  mp4 works. 16:38:26 i might be encoding them wrong or something too 16:38:39 dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 16:38:41 yeah so lisp + opengl + graphics tablet + gimp = win 16:39:25 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:39:42 dto: Is that basically a bunch of images with transparency and you are moving/scaling layers? 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16:52:02 -!- xjrn [~chatzilla@c-67-174-244-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 10.0.1/20120314211133]] 16:52:35 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 16:52:58 -!- LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@d54C06DE6.access.telenet.be] has quit [Client Quit] 16:53:37 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.178.29] has joined #lisp 16:54:24 Younder [~john@4.203.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 16:54:33 [SLB] [~slabua@host89-69-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 16:54:33 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@host89-69-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 16:54:33 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 16:54:51 Despite WJ Clojure is kinda cool. 16:55:29 http://blip.tv/clojure/clojure-for-lisp-programmers-part-1-1319721 16:55:54 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:57:29 dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 16:57:36 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 16:58:05 tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.102.65.190] has joined #lisp 16:59:07 Anyhow I wrote a version of partion-by which I thinh is pretty good http://paste.lisp.org/+2R7I. 16:59:13 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-24-163-252.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:59:24 Younder: no it's not 16:59:34 It's ML in Lisp's skin with a Java core 17:00:09 It pisses on what I love about lisp 17:00:24 Also, WJ is annoying as hell 17:00:28 mAnyAk [4eb972c5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.185.114.197] has joined #lisp 17:00:34 How so. It is a Lisp.. 17:00:50 And written by a CL programmer. 17:01:29 dto: aura looks cool. i hope the planet is a playable character! 17:01:39 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@108.87.21.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:02:10 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:02:19 dto: Things are very well. This is turning out to be an absolutely smashing year for me. Not much happening in lisp though :) 17:02:30 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:02:31 Cosman246, Well I like ML.. 17:02:32 -!- mAnyAk [4eb972c5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.185.114.197] has quit [Client Quit] 17:02:36 Guthur [~user@212.183.128.16] has joined #lisp 17:02:39 Younder: Yes, but Lisp is not ML 17:02:53 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 17:02:56 Lisp should not *be* an ML 17:03:08 It can have ML's features, but it should be Lisp, not ML 17:03:42 If Clojure wants to be an ML, goddamnit, it should say so! 17:04:43 Do we need popcorn for this? 17:04:59 Sure, whatever 17:05:08 Cosman246, But Clojure IS a Lisp, and it addresses multiprocessor programming. And the fnctional lib is better that CL's. So add to CL, don't mope. Just a thought. 17:05:09 I'll make my big rant later--right now I'm studying 17:05:36 Younder: but it isn't! 17:05:37 ASau [~user@95-28-75-141.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 17:06:20 Honestly, I'd prefer keeping multiprocessor programming as a partitioned-off part, or something like that 17:06:22 *Younder* has been taking a lot of the better ML and Haskell primitives and made a CL library of them. 17:06:31 That's good! 17:06:56 Honestly, I'm writing a spec of a toy lisp that I hope will be eventually implemented sometime in the future 17:07:18 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:07:29 Actually, Younder, link me to it 17:07:43 I'd really like to see 17:07:54 (the library) 17:07:55 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 17:08:22 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:08:38 schmx: cool :) 17:09:28 dto: Going back to school after the summer and cutting down on my work load.. so I like to imagine I will get some time to code. :) 17:09:56 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:09:59 Cosman246, In time. I have 100 data problems I'd like to solve, then I'll do a shoot-out and see which approaches fare best. 17:10:50 OK, thanks 17:10:58 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:11:00 tdubellz [~tdubellz@freenode/staff/tdubellz] has joined #lisp 17:11:46 Until this toy lisp does something, I'll be using CL 17:11:52 Perhaps with Bordeaux-Threads 17:12:07 But yeah, my big rant will come later 17:12:11 Back to study 17:12:21 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 17:12:41 (This toy lisp refers to my little document) 17:12:55 -!- wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:12:55 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 17:13:12 wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has joined #lisp 17:14:27 -!- pnq [~nick@AC82CA74.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:15:57 pnq [~nick@AC82CA74.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 17:16:39 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:16:51 tensorpudding__ [~michael@99.23.123.229] has joined #lisp 17:17:23 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:17:58 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 17:19:03 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.177] has joined #lisp 17:20:03 -!- achiu [~achiu@ip68-96-95-213.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 17:20:19 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.92.187] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20:31 -!- tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.102.65.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:40 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.94.193] has joined #lisp 17:22:09 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:22:12 dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 17:22:39 -!- Cosman246 [~user@D-173-250-136-181.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:23:00 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 17:24:07 -!- snearch [~snearch@g225130105.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:27:40 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:28:22 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 17:28:25 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:29:29 tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.148.198.103] has joined #lisp 17:30:21 tlw8913 [~tenorplay@nat1002.oc.edu] has joined #lisp 17:30:24 -!- pnq [~nick@AC82CA74.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:32:38 -!- tlw8913 [~tenorplay@nat1002.oc.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:32:48 -!- tensorpudding__ [~michael@99.23.123.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:32:53 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:33:02 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 17:33:11 pnq [~nick@AC82CA74.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 17:33:41 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 17:37:42 -!- pnq [~nick@AC82CA74.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:38:03 hlavaty [~user@91-65-218-223-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 17:38:12 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:38:42 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 17:38:55 Younder: pointer to your lib? 17:39:45 LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@d54C06DE6.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 17:41:28 pnq [~nick@AC82CA74.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 17:42:51 dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 17:43:27 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:43:43 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 17:44:00 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.209.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:45:40 dim, It's in writing. I will announce it when it is finished. 17:45:51 -!- ferada [~ferada@dslb-088-069-127-191.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:46:03 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.130.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 17:46:52 Younder: can you share the work in progress instead? 17:47:33 -!- rme [~rme@50.43.136.254] has left #lisp 17:47:49 Anyhow I wrote a version of partion-by which I think is pretty good http://paste.lisp.org/+2R7I. 17:48:06 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:48:42 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:48:58 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 17:49:36 apteeth [~user@bl13-153-108.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 17:50:53 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.178.29] has quit [Quit: Offline] 17:51:30 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:51:56 -!- hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: hydo] 17:52:28 Younder: oh, no release early release often then 17:53:23 osa1 [~sinan@31.140.0.141] has joined #lisp 17:53:58 dim, too often.. This time I'll wait until I have a mature library I am happy with. Ore else not release it at all. 17:54:01 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 17:54:16 -!- schmx [~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54:29 Younder: time is short 17:54:31 schmx [~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has joined #lisp 17:55:19 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:55:45 -!- sawgij [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:57:53 Younder: you should make them into (iterate) clauses via (define-iterate-clause) or whatever thing it has 17:58:13 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:58:31 sawgij [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has joined #lisp 17:58:40 coz mapcan/shmapcan/mapcon hurt my poor brains 17:59:08 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.198.35] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 17:59:17 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 18:02:04 don't code to maxm-'s painbrain 18:03:43 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:03:56 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-175-251.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:04:00 mmm, is it possible to implement sorted list merge with a single loop run? 18:04:35 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 18:04:51 -- Function: merge result-type sequence-1 sequence-2 predicate &key 18:04:51 key  result-sequence 18:04:53 mm, 18:06:05 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@100.Red-88-11-23.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 18:06:36 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-175-251.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:06:55 Xach: no really, I manage to code just fine without them. And in other's code its used so rarely, that I have to look it up which of them is which (mapcon/can), ever time.. As an example grep mapcon\|mapcan ~/quicklisp/quicklisp/*.lisp only finds 2 occurances of "can" and not a single of "con" 18:07:33 -!- pnq [~nick@AC82CA74.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:07:48 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@101.63.144.233] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08:13 maxm-: Good for you! 18:08:44 Incapacity is not usually a bragging point, so good show on that too. 18:08:45 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@176.31.24.235] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:08:53 dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 18:08:58 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:09:29 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:09:34 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 18:09:43 albacker [~eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has joined #lisp 18:12:09 I don't see how admitting to not remembering things that you use every other 2 months is indication of incapacity. I remember the (much easier) way of accomplishing mapcan/mapcon task through loop/iterate just fine 18:12:31 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:49 -!- FreeArtMan [~fam@213.175.106.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:14:16 Buglouse [~Buglouse@176.31.24.235] has joined #lisp 18:14:30 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:14:34 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 18:15:54 Xach, he simply eschews parochial confabulation. 18:17:00 -!- saschakb_ [~saschakb@p4FEA0931.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17:00 *ThomasH* is experiencing a total lack of focus today. 18:17:05 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:17:09 I think the weather is too nice. 18:18:07 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 18:18:17 antonv [5d7d31e8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.232] has joined #lisp 18:18:31 -!- Matt_S_G [~Matt_S_G@gateway/tor-sasl/mattsg/x-78535695] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:18:48 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:19:36 -!- finnrobi [~robb@xvm-20-190.ghst.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:19:36 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 18:21:57 finnrobi [~robb@notlupus.info] has joined #lisp 18:23:03 alek_b [~alek_b@99-10-120-63.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:23:53 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:24:59 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 18:25:00 Today is a "Do the expedient thing." instead of "Do the right thing." 18:25:23 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:26:00 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 18:27:12 jasond [~jason@50.56.230.33] has joined #lisp 18:27:39 tlw8913 [~tenorplay@nat1002.oc.edu] has joined #lisp 18:27:47 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-318822.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 18:28:39 maxm-: Then I would suggest working on memorization rather than avoidance. 18:29:15 If you don't want to learn it, that's fine. Don't suggest other people not learn it because you can't. 18:29:54 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:30:16 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 18:31:24 -!- dto [~user@pool-72-70-40-118.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:33:26 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 18:34:44 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:34:58 barryfm [~barryfm@fl-67-232-182-18.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 18:35:19 -!- barryfm [~barryfm@fl-67-232-182-18.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:35:25 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 18:35:42 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:36:38 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.213.162] has joined #lisp 18:40:03 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:40:33 dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 18:40:41 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 18:43:58 -!- apteeth [~user@bl13-153-108.dsl.telepac.pt] has left #lisp 18:43:58 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:44:17 francogrex [~user@109.130.110.207] has joined #lisp 18:44:33 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:45:40 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 18:45:51 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:46:39 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@100.Red-88-11-23.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 18:48:27 teggi_ [~teggi@113.172.46.243] has joined #lisp 18:48:43 -!- teggi [~teggi@113.172.46.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:49:46 -!- clop [~jared@moat3.centtech.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:49:55 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:50:05 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:50:13 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:50:24 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has joined #lisp 18:50:42 ferada [~ferada@dslb-188-097-116-074.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 18:50:52 -!- Intensity [zQBDL3Up0A@unaffiliated/intensity] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:50:55 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 18:51:33 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 18:52:08 -!- tlw8913 [~tenorplay@nat1002.oc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:52:22 clop [~jared@moat3.centtech.com] has joined #lisp 18:54:01 stlifey [~stlifey@116.26.30.127] has joined #lisp 18:54:30 *maxm-* wishes people would discuss the substance of things, rather then make "just because you too stupid for X, does not..." type arguments 18:54:38 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@176.31.24.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:55:34 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:55:59 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 18:56:48 Hi, when I load this http://paste.lisp.org/display/128576 I get an error is sbcl that The function LTD::COLLECT-COMMENTS is undefined why is that? 18:57:42 francogrex: you need to wrap your readtable manipulation into eval-when 18:57:45 tlw8913 [~tenorplay@nat1002.oc.edu] has joined #lisp 18:57:46 Buglouse [~Buglouse@176.31.24.235] has joined #lisp 18:58:02 maxm-: The substance is it is not good advice to avoid mapcan and mapcon because maxm- can't remember how they work. They are useful and terse and should be used where they are useful. 18:59:45 I'd take (mapcan 'list xs ys) over (loop for x in xs for y in ys collect x collect y) any day. 19:00:19 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:00:32 Xach: Unless you have performance considerations. 19:00:37 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:01:13 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 19:01:13 Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has joined #lisp 19:01:36 maxm-: at the top of the function after defun .. (eval-when (:execute :load-toplevel :compile-toplevel)... ? 19:01:36 19:02:58 -!- albacker [~eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:04:50 francogrex: i think somehow the macro-character is set before collect-comments is defined 19:05:38 try putting all the function that are set as macro functions, as well as defparameter into 1 file, then usage of it into the 2nd file.. Or wrap entire setting up of readtable with (eval-when ) 19:05:42 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:06:28 dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 19:06:36 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 19:06:48 the *ltd-readtable*, ok I will try, (:execute :load-toplevel :compile-toplevel) ? 19:07:06 SBCL eagerly treats the second argument of set-macro-character as a function, so it must have a function binding before set-macro-character is called. 19:07:09 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:07:13 I wonder if other implementations do that, too. 19:07:40 *Xach* also wonders if the spec implies that more directly than he can see in the set-macro-character section 19:07:41 ecl is ok with it 19:07:49 clisp is same as sbcl 19:07:51 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 19:08:47 francogrex: as maxm- says, defining that function before its use in set-macro-character in eval-when should do the trick, or using two files. 19:09:25 anywhere before (defparameter *ltd-readtble* ...) 19:09:59 asdfhjkl [~bob@i5E879AE1.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 19:10:21 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:10:52 actually moving all the functions before the defparameter will do it 19:11:27 True. It's not evaluated at compile-time. 19:11:33 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 19:11:38 defparameter executes at load time, as toplevel forms are loaded sequentially from FASL. (set-macro-character) does (find-function 'blah), at that point 'blah is not yet loaded since its later in FASL file.. 19:11:38 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:13:38 so no need for eval-when, just move the defparam read-table to the end 19:14:16 maxm-: I don't really see why it is coerced at the time set-macro-character is called rather than when the reader needs to call it. 19:14:56 Cosman246 [~user@D-173-250-202-28.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 19:15:32 m7w [~chatzilla@31.24.92.138] has joined #lisp 19:15:55 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:16:38 nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-38-160.w92-148.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 19:16:50 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 19:17:28 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@116.26.30.127] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 19:17:47 -!- teggi_ [~teggi@113.172.46.243] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18:23 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has joined #lisp 19:19:07 -!- blackwolf [~blackwolf@ool-4575fc51.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:19:24 in reader.lisp says "as per ansi #'get-macro-character result can be either function or nil" 19:20:31 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-94-93.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:20:32 but if its not defined (fdefinition 'blah) would return nil I guess.. It can be unbound too... anyway probably no one hit this case since cmucl days 19:21:04 Intensity [XBqzWttSqK@unaffiliated/intensity] has joined #lisp 19:21:14 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:22:06 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 19:23:03 yeah, it's an old file I have. But sbcl (and clisp) are doing according to specs then by issuing a error? 19:24:48 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25:14 -!- tlw8913 [~tenorplay@nat1002.oc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:25:48 kenanb [5e36ede3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 19:26:19 hi folks 19:27:00 HG` [~HG@dsbg-4db586ec.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 19:27:06 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 19:27:09 my IES photometry file parser is ready thanks to you, not the most beautiful code, but it does the job pretty well 19:27:33 thanks again for all the help 19:27:47 -!- HG` [~HG@dsbg-4db586ec.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:30:58 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 19:31:12 Fare [~Fare@216.239.55.82] has joined #lisp 19:31:34 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:32:23 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.65.90] has joined #lisp 19:32:28 dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] 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What do you use for methods? * whatever.lisp (method-name) or * whatever.lisp (method-name specializers): message 21:50:55 -!- tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:51:13 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-42.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:13 oh man, changelog style messages in commits is *such* a bad idea 21:51:36 daniel__1 [~daniel@p5082AC47.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:52:02 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@h164n1-m-sp-d4.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:52:12 they kind of grew on me when hacking on org mode, and Carsten pointed out to me that its really easy to generate them with C key in magit.el. So I'm forward porting the magit-add-log into Egg (the emacs git tool I use) 21:52:16 The VCS can tell me what files you touched, I want to know what your commit *is for*. 21:52:18 no reason not to use them, if its automated 21:52:28 -!- achiu [~arthurchi@216.174.109.254] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 21:52:35 There is reason not to use them: they are less useful to a reader 21:54:08 foom: sometimes when looking into a commit I did 4 months ago, I like to know how I fixed it, not only what I fixed. Having a top line generic description like "Implemented feature X", followed by changelog style x.lisp (foo-handler): technical description of what I did there" helps 21:54:28 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5082A89B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:54:49 Absolutely say how you fixed it too. But GNU's changelog style is exemplified by the commits to GCC. 21:54:51 well guess technical disagreement, I always found my own commit messages sloppy, and liked the model org mode adopted 21:54:54 * toplev.c (check_global_declaration_1): Do not call assemble_external. 21:54:54 * expr.c (emit_block_move_libcall_fn): Likewise. 21:54:54 (clear_storage_libcall_fn): Likewise. 21:54:54 (expand_expr_addr_expr_1): Likewise. 21:54:54 (expand_expr_real_1): Likewise. 21:54:55 * calls.c (rtx_for_function_call): Likewise. 21:55:24 That is a prime example of GNU changelog style: it mentions every function that was modified, and what was done. 21:55:36 -!- tlw8913 [~tenorplay@205.143.220.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:55:40 But, it is completely utterly useless. 21:55:41 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:56:42 tlw8913 [~tenorplay@205.143.220.205] has joined #lisp 21:57:10 "svn log svn://gcc.gnu.org/svn/gcc/trunk|less" will give you a ton more great examples of how to write useless commit logs. 21:58:23 -!- tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:58:29 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-24-218-51.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: gigamonkey] 21:58:31 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 21:58:46 *maxm-* actually finds above type log messages helpful :-) 21:59:05 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 21:59:38 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 21:59:40 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 22:00:20 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 22:00:37 Well. The Ideal for a GNU style changelog is a precise restating of the diff in human readable form. I prefer to just read the diff if I want that. 22:00:46 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 22:01:26 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 22:01:55 -!- tlw8913 [~tenorplay@205.143.220.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:01:55 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 22:02:13 guess I'm not enough of a hacker, but when looking at diff of unfamiliar code, its hard to figure out at a glance what the hunk actually does 22:02:34 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 22:04:13 Well, yes, that's kind of my whole point. It's trivial to tell that it doesn't call assemble_external. It's hard to tell why that change was made, and what high-level effect that might have. 22:04:43 tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #lisp 22:05:47 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:05:49 "frobbed the stubs" 22:06:35 dsp_ [~dsp@cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 22:06:50 The diff consists almost entirely of "- assemble_external (decl);" in the aforementioned places. 22:09:45 Cosman246 [~user@D-173-250-202-28.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 22:10:08 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-124-69.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:10:42 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:12:51 Where can I learn about the difference of 'foo and :foo? 22:13:09 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 22:14:14 -!- Fare [~Fare@216.239.55.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:14:53 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c1b9e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:15:50 DataLinkDroid [~David@1.153.105.211] has joined #lisp 22:17:41 didi: 'FOO is a list of two elements, the symbol QUOTE and the symbol FOO. 22:17:47 (you can learn about it here) 22:17:55 didi: :FOO is the symbol :FOO 22:18:07 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:18:09 When evaluated, (QUOTE FOO) evaluates to FOO. :FOO evaluates to :FOO. 22:18:24 Evaluation to itself is a fancy feature of a keyword. 22:18:41 Inhibiting normal evaluation is a fancy feature of the QUOTE special operator. 22:19:01 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 22:19:03 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 22:19:48 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 22:20:03 Any book about CL will in some way explain it, but probably not "Here's the difference" 22:20:13 Nice. Thank you, Xach. 22:20:38 I see that (eq (quote :foo) :foo) => t 22:20:41 Makes sense. 22:21:16 (eql (quote (+ 1 2)) (+ 1 2)) => nil 22:22:46 and (eql (quote pi) pi) => nil 22:23:24 -!- ferada [~ferada@dslb-188-097-116-074.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:23:48 impulse32 [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176442544.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 22:25:28 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.154.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:26:44 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-24-218-51.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:27:59 tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has joined #lisp 22:29:02 -!- tensorpudding_ [~michael@108.87.16.88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:29:09 tensorpudding__ [~michael@108.87.16.88] has joined #lisp 22:35:39 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:38:19 -!- albacker [~eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:39:38 -!- pnq [~nick@172.129.35.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:40:18 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 22:40:43 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 22:41:26 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 22:42:02 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 22:42:52 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 22:43:52 tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:48:43 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@p5081F2B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:49:57 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:51:52 Is there anywhere I can report an issue with CLHS? 22:52:01 (typographical) 22:52:28 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Front/Help.htm#Bugs 22:52:29 I see 22:52:40 Qworkescence: there's a decent cliki page for it 22:53:58 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 22:54:00 Xof_: oh, the indignity 22:54:14 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 22:54:53 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 22:55:05 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 22:55:39 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 22:56:04 amagi [~amagi@bl14-169-65.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 22:56:23 hello there! 22:56:36 *Xach* waves 22:56:49 Quadrescence: http://www.cliki.net/Proposed%20ANSI%20Revisions%20and%20Clarifications 22:57:42 can you help me, I need to access a position in an array, is there an easy way to do it? 22:57:52 aref 22:58:00 amagi: read a tutorial! http://cliki.net 22:58:43 thanks ;) 22:59:18 www.gigamonkeys.com/book is good 23:00:00 deMimsyPorp [~SirMimsy@static-50-43-23-71.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has joined #lisp 23:00:57 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:09 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 23:01:39 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 23:02:03 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 23:02:20 pjb, Xach: Hm, doesn't seem like I can find what I found there. 23:02:29 Qworkescence: woo! add it! 23:02:45 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 23:03:11 PorpDeMimsy [~SirMimsy@static-50-43-23-71.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has joined #lisp 23:03:35 -!- PorpDeMimsy [~SirMimsy@static-50-43-23-71.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:03:40 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 23:04:02 -!- deMimsyPorp [~SirMimsy@static-50-43-23-71.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:04:22 -!- kanru`` [~user@61-228-144-148.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:05:08 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 23:05:35 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 23:05:35 -!- impulse32 [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176442544.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:06:24 Alright, added. 23:06:28 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 23:06:48 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 23:07:23 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 23:07:44 an ircd-spamming antispam bot 23:07:56 Did you add those wacky A-hats? 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