00:01:51 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-124-78.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:03:40 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable019.12-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 00:04:02 "00:09:03 <[6502]> Enerccio: Hehehe... symbolp already got to the finger level. But I'm working on a toy Lispy language and I was wondering if converting to "symbol?" was a better choice instead. In never used scheme indeed." 00:04:06 ^-- [6502], Zhivago: Here's my take on the matter of predicates. Have ? be the "universal predicate", get rid of all type predicate functions, and then have things like (? 'type 'my-type). Which could also be written as ((? type) 'my-type). 00:04:10 And also have "arity dispatch", where ((? type) 'my-type) returns the equivalent of (let ((type 'my-type)) (lambda (object) ((? type) object type))), so you can do things like (every ((? type) 'my-type) my-list). 00:04:46 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-67-249-228-147.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 00:05:04 Hexstream: You mean (funcall (? type) 'my-type)? 00:05:38 -!- daem0n [~yaargh@unaffiliated/mryaargh] has quit [Quit: o/] 00:05:46 Hexstream: your take is "have implicit currying?" 00:06:30 -!- chiguire|m [~chiguire@gentoo/developer/chiguire] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:06:38 Ralith: Only a limited form... not in general. The designer of the function would specifically specify such functionality. In many simple cases the choices are fairly obvious... 00:07:44 sellout: #'(? my-type) would be a bit like #'my-type-p 00:07:46 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 00:09:08 Hexstream: I get that, but ((? ) ) is not valid CL. 00:09:35 sellout: Right, I'm talking in the context of some hypothetical future dialect. 00:09:54 -!- BeWhy [~chatzilla@c-76-124-138-194.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120310193829]] 00:10:49 impulse32 [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176442544.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 00:13:07 I don't like the overhead of having dedicated functions for type predicates (foop barp etc.) because of all the various kinds of overhead involved (like having to decide "do I make and export a foop for my new foo type?", and the user having to wonder if such a function is provided since support is not consistent)... 00:14:10 And then having to document that... for those who actually write documentation. I'd prefer a "generic type predicate" facility like that instead. 00:15:58 Hexstream: And typep isn't general enough? 00:17:02 *sellout* tends to use typep instead of things like foop. 00:17:36 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 00:19:55 mensch [~mensch@c-67-189-240-148.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:23:17 -!- Ralith [~ralith@static-209-139-215-92.gtcust.grouptelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:28:57 foop foop is the sound of the police. 00:29:29 sellout: Whoops, it's ((? type) 'my-type) that would be like #'my-type-p. #'(? type) would be like #'typep. Regardless, one feature I'm planning for normal CL is (lift (typep 'my-type)) == (lambda (object) (typep object 'my-type)), which means no more need for concrete type predicate functions (and without special non-CL features). 00:29:54 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:31:46 srcerer [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has joined #lisp 00:32:46 And perhaps ((? type) 'my-type) could alternatively be written as (? 'type 'my-type)... anyway. (Some stuff to eventually put on my site so people can conveniently ignore it). 00:34:09 <[6502]> stealing "?" seems rude 00:34:32 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:34:36 ((? ...) ...) also doesn't look very meaningful to me 00:34:48 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 00:35:21 pcavs [~Adium@c-67-186-132-233.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:37:03 <[6502]> norvig uses (? x) for variable markers for example in paip :-) 00:37:17 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-39-205.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 00:37:25 -!- wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:37:33 Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.22.190] has joined #lisp 00:37:43 [6502]: It would be the "universal type predicate", a "phased-generic-function" whose first argument specifies the specific type of operation to perform. For instance, TYPE for type predicates... I don't think "stealing" ? is particularly "rude", it's a symbol rarely used, especially for functions... 00:38:00 Hexstream: on the ?, after some thinking, the convention lisp uses with respect to p and -p is nicer than having a ? in there i think. foo-bar-? doesn't look very sexy imho. 00:38:34 madnificent: I never suggested foo-bar-?... 00:38:52 _KY_: cl-muproc tries to implement facilities similar to those available in OTP (or at least, it has something that tries to be gen_server). I'm not sure how good cl-muproc actually is, and you'll definitely not be able to use it in the same way Erlang does (1. because they are threads, not processes, and 2. because there is currently no Lisp implementation with M:N threads) 00:38:52 i know. it's what i came up with after considering ? versus p 00:40:01 _KY_: zeromq has bindings to CL 00:40:22 ØMQ is not OTP. 00:40:27 no, it's better 00:40:32 why? 00:40:45 it's actually used 00:40:56 portable to multiple languages 00:40:59 not stuck in the 80s 00:41:21 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable019.12-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 00:42:02 xristos: OTP does a bit more than just provide a message-passing API... 00:42:12 I'm not familiar with zmq, though. 00:42:34 original question was about message passing 00:42:37 kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has joined #lisp 00:42:43 yes, erlang gives you more 00:42:55 Notice how I'm talking about OTP, not Erlang. 00:43:03 <[6502]> Hexstream: I was thinking to use (symbol? x) instead of (symbolp x) because it's more readable. now i'm using (symbolp x) but (p2d? x) for (defstruct p2d x y) ... p2d-p seemed too ugly and conflicting with p2d-x p2d-y 00:43:03 xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.1.16] has joined #lisp 00:43:20 - 00:43:33 <[6502]> oh... he left... 00:43:39 arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has joined #lisp 00:44:15 <[6502]> sleeptime for me too 00:44:19 <[6502]> l8r 00:44:27 -!- [6502] [5e24f39c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.36.243.156] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:44:37 oh please, i was typing a response 00:45:02 sykopomp: have you used OTP? 00:45:13 xristos: I use it every day at work. Still learning it, though. 00:45:43 just starting to get used to how to design things using gen_server, defining supervisors, etc. 00:46:04 i found it to be contrived, over-engineered 00:46:07 I'm surprised no one talks about -that- part of Erlang. It seems much more important to me, now, for Actual Applications, than any of the plain old message passing stuff. 00:46:09 basically a piece of shit 00:46:20 what gave you that impression? 00:46:24 the whole platform 00:46:45 let's take hot code updates 00:47:05 it's quite funny how complicated they are in OTP 00:47:12 I'm liking how entire chunks of the system can become non-operational, but the rest of the system can keep running. 00:47:21 then the 99.999 reliability 00:47:30 I haven't touched the hot code update part of gen_server yet. 00:47:43 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-39-205.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:48:16 but Erlang's builtin hot code updates don't seem like a bad idea to me. 00:48:17 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-39-205.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 00:48:34 the implementation is a bad idea 00:48:38 not the premise 00:48:44 Lisp is kind of haphazard with the global code updates. 00:49:01 Erlang's just seems more careful in that respect. 00:50:48 I do wonder what a lot of the OTP constructs I'm using would look like if I just implemented them as objects + a few threads for a very specific subset that I want to parallelize, though. :) 00:50:57 with the condition system handling the robustness. 00:51:03 dmbaturin [~daniil@baturin.org] has joined #lisp 00:51:08 i think Erlang has some good ideas but overall is kind of atrocious 00:51:18 zeromq for me encapsulates 80% of what's cool about Erlang (the messaging) 00:51:24 the rest i can roll on my own 00:52:13 Hi! I'm new to Lisp. What book would you recommend to start with? 00:52:38 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-39-205.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:52:57 sykopomp: and do so in any language i please, in an interactive way 00:53:07 dmbaturin: books are listed on http://cliki.net/ 00:53:10 using the Erlang repl makes me want to shoot heroin 00:54:05 pjb: Great, thanks. 00:54:06 dmbaturin: practical common lisp, normally. it's free online. 00:54:30 dmbaturin: what's your background in programming? what languages, how much experience? 00:57:34 madnificent: I mostly write in Perl and sometimes in C now, familiar with Java, Python and JavaScript. Anonymous functions and map/reduce functionality in structural/object languages looked very interesting to me, so I decided to try out a pure functional language. 00:58:28 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 00:59:08 Common Lisp is multi-paradigm, not especially focus on functional 00:59:14 dmbaturin: i don't know where you guys keep reading that lisp is purely functional, but it is multi-paradigm. you can easily write functionally in it, but it's much much more than that. in fact, i'd argue that our object orientation system (named CLOS) is vastly more powerful than that of any of the aforementioned languages. :) Practical Common Lisp will serve you well though. 01:00:02 dmbaturin: Common Lisp /can/ easily support you in writing functional code, and it generally fits well. however, it doesn't contain the limitations of /say/ Haskell, where you must *only* write functional code. 01:00:02 Jsandys [~jeff@184-77-234-225.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined #lisp 01:00:43 -!- kanru` [~user@61-228-144-165.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:01:12 madnificent: Well, inaccurate definition. Should have been "with support for pure functional paradigm". 01:01:18 dmbaturin: functional is the wrong thing to be focused on when it comes to Lisp, interactivity is a much better proposition 01:02:09 dmbaturin: given your history, i feel like you're here to learn a bunch of new things. like functional programming. lisp can help you learn /a lot/ of new things. it's astonishing! enjoy your stay in lisp land, you won't forget it! :D 01:02:44 KDr2 [~kdr2@123.112.67.43] has joined #lisp 01:03:11 Yeah, that was my goal. Just want to expand my programming experience. 01:03:44 at university here in germany they always tell me that LISP (yeah written like this) is a functional lang and they still haven't figuren out that John McCarthy died already, madnificent 01:04:25 the LISP meme is strong 01:04:50 i'd bet half of these people haven't even used LISP 01:05:43 Is GNU CLISP a good choice? 01:06:00 urandom__: i still remember my class about declarative programming languages. the professor summed up a few programming languages and asked people to put up their hands when it was their favorite programming language. at the end she asked if there were people with a different programming language. so after 2 other people named their favorite i put up my hand as the last one and said Common Lisp. she stared straight acros 01:06:00 for a few seconds as if the time stood still for her, processing. i think we cause malfunctioning brains for those that don't code in lisp :) 01:06:01 dmbaturin: yes. 01:06:21 dmbaturin: but CL is a standardized language, that means you can change the implementation easily and late. 01:06:26 dmbaturin: most people here use SBCL. what platform are you on? 01:06:31 dmbaturin: implementation choice is a deployment consideration. 01:06:50 pjb: That's a good thing for sure. I'm on linux (debian, specifically). 01:07:21 dmbaturin: then use SBCL, it's most commonly used here and it is the best supported implementation on linux. it does use more memory than CLISP (but it's faster) 01:07:35 ISF [~ivan@187.106.49.167] has joined #lisp 01:07:51 -!- Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 01:07:52 Cosman24` [~user@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 01:07:55 -!- Cosman24` is now known as Cosman246 01:08:10 "sbcl - A Common Lisp compiler and development system". This one? 01:08:25 (ccl uses much less, and is also quite fast, if memory matters) 01:08:43 and is also well supported 01:08:45 dmbaturin: sounds correct. you're probably best off installing it manually, package managers don't like the lisp world :( (feel free to solve that!) 01:08:52 dmbaturin: I find clisp debugger more beginner friendly. To use sbcl you will have to use emacs and slime. 01:09:04 sbcl has nicer debugging output 01:09:16 dmbaturin: try it and see for yourself! 01:10:35 Installed from the repos, at least my "(defun square(x) (* x x))" test worked. 01:11:34 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-148-107.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:11:46 One writes a space or an open parenthesis before an open parenthesis. 01:11:52 (defun square (x) (* x x)) 01:12:09 installing from the repos, a recipe for problems when you're going way further 01:12:38 unless i'm looking at the wrong repository ofc. /me takes backs his words 01:12:43 vl4kn0 [~stepan_bu@213.122.216.11] has joined #lisp 01:13:10 -!- FACEFOX [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:14:11 -!- impulse32 [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176442544.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:14:34 Hmm, quicklisp seems to be wonky 01:14:55 Cosman246: can't be! 01:14:57 *didi* uses SBCL from the Debian repos 01:15:13 It works just fine. 01:15:29 It can't load systems from my disk, which is a big loss 01:15:38 (Quicklisp, not SBCL, mind you) 01:15:39 dmbaturin: if you read anything anywhere about libraries which you may want to use. ignore how they say you should install them: quicklisp is brandnew and available from quicklisp.org. it has become the defacto standard since it's in beta (it's that good) 01:16:09 pjb: Well, I still have find a proper formatting style. Need to write something longer than one line test to "feel" it. 01:16:13 Perhaps this was because I had loaded something with it earlier, then emacs stopped responding and I had to kill it 01:16:32 and now when I try to reload it 01:16:37 madnificent: So if I want external libraries, I should go for quicklisp? Or I'm getting something wrong? 01:16:39 in order to debug my Sound Change Applier 01:16:46 dmbaturin: you should! 01:16:57 cafesofie [~user@ool-18e4c9a0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 01:17:12 it just doesn't load 01:18:23 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:18:48 dmbaturin: yes, but quicklisp is a component which is not the same as your lisp implementation. so it just allows you to install libraries for your favorite lisp implementation. 01:19:36 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-247-25.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 01:19:46 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@108.60.121.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:20:20 madnificent: Ok, will try that when I need libraries. I should go read "practical common lisp" now. 01:20:22 http://paste.lisp.org/display/128454 01:20:32 impulse32 [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176442544.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 01:20:34 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:20:34 enjoy dmbaturin 01:21:11 -!- cafesofie [~user@ool-18e4c9a0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:21:13 Cosman246: make sure asdf knows where to find cl-sca and use (ql:quickload :cl-sca) 01:21:28 OK, let me check that 01:21:34 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has joined #lisp 01:23:09 Ah, now it works 01:23:15 \o/ 01:23:16 Thanks! 01:23:21 you're welcome 01:23:26 -!- sacho [~sacho@95-42-91-47.btc-net.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:24:00 -!- edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:24:16 -!- Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:25:55 Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 01:26:00 Same error killed emacs again 01:26:13 now quicklisp doesn't even work with (ql:quickload :cl-sca) 01:26:41 abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has joined #lisp 01:26:50 *Cosman246* sighs 01:27:49 madnificent: you still there? 01:31:48 -!- davlaps [~davlaps@pool-108-49-122-166.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 01:37:44 -!- eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:41:42 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002131087122.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:42:12 springz [~springz@116.231.109.177] has joined #lisp 01:42:56 nialo- [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 01:47:04 -!- impulse32 [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176442544.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:47:39 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 01:51:02 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-50-006.cascadeaccess.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:51:10 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@adsl-99-36-220-229.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:51:11 eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #lisp 01:51:53 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-50-006.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 01:52:14 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 01:52:40 -!- workflow [~workflow@178-83-8-30.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:57:56 -!- rvirding [~chatzilla@c213-89-147-188.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643]] 01:59:13 FACEFOX [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:59:43 machine2 [~machine4@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:03:39 -!- flipout_1 [~scense@75-175-117-158.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [] 02:03:45 -!- pcavs [~Adium@c-67-186-132-233.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:06:47 Is there a `dotimes' that counts like downto? 02:06:56 -!- asdfhjkl [~bob@i5E879AE1.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:07:13 flipout [~user@75-175-117-158.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 02:07:58 didi: LOOP 02:08:13 (defmacro dotimesdown ((var n &optional result) &body body) `(loop for ,var from (1- ,n) downto 0 do (tagbody ,@body))) 02:08:22 + result 02:08:31 pnq [~nick@ACA26AB0.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 02:08:39 DataLinkDroid, pjb: Thank you. 02:09:35 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:10:22 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A1FE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:10:31 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl22-74-137.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 02:14:06 -!- Jsandys [~jeff@184-77-234-225.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:14:47 kanru` [~user@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 02:15:10 -!- FACEFOX [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.facefox.com] 02:16:25 pjb, why wrap the body in a tagbody? 02:16:49 That's what dotimes does. 02:17:27 (dotimes (i 10) :again (print i) (when (zerop (random 2)) (go :again))) 02:18:52 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483ACC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:22:24 -!- flipout [~user@75-175-117-158.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:22:45 -!- machine2 [~machine4@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:26:19 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-33-22.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 02:26:24 I can't figure out a way to use vectors|arrays in a non destructive way. Oh well... 02:26:54 didi: You could use coerce, I guess. 02:26:58 or maybe map. 02:27:16 Or initial-contents or whatever it's called. 02:27:23 Zhivago: Hum. `map' works on vectors, iirc. 02:27:38 didi: Those are arrays. 02:27:55 Zhivago: I know. One dimensional and all. 02:28:08 didi: Personally, I think they got that relationship backward. 02:28:30 If they'd made array a subclass of vector, many things would be much simpler. 02:28:48 like what? 02:29:04 Well, you could use map on arrays. 02:29:14 And replace row-major-aref with vref. 02:29:50 -!- Farzad [~farzadbek@46.225.105.96] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:30:06 Farzad [~farzadbek@46.225.105.96] has joined #lisp 02:31:21 An array would then be a vector with a multidimensional structuring and interface added. :) 02:31:57 didi: didi what do you want to do? 02:32:03 didi: don't use (setf (aref a i) ) ! 02:32:13 pjb: oooops... 02:32:13 didi: don't use DELETE, NSUSBSTITUTE, etc. 02:32:45 didi: however, it is costly to use arrays in a non destructive way: you need to copy N elements just to change one! 02:33:05 Trees can be a useful alternative for functional mappings. 02:34:00 didi: (defun functional-array-set (new-element array &rest indices) (let ((result (copy-array array))) (setf (row-major-aref array (apply (function array-row-major-index) array indices)) new-element) result)) 02:35:23 pjb: I would like a structure that I could access its index in O(1) and also do something like `(new-element #(1 2 3) 1 42) => #(1 42 3)' 02:35:44 pjb: Thank you for the form. 02:36:19 arrays let you do that. 02:36:42 (let ((v (vector 1 2 3))) (setf (aref v 1) 42) v) => #(1 42 3) 02:37:21 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:37:22 pjb: Yeah, but now I've messed with the original v. 02:37:36 So what? 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04:30:15 #emacs 04:30:29 As long as you connect with emacs and erc or rcirc. 04:31:11 pspace: there's also theorically #lispcafe. 04:31:35 pjb: Thnx will try both. 04:34:06 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 04:36:11 pnathan [~Adium@76.178.164.157] has joined #lisp 04:38:55 tritchey [~tritchey@64.134.226.237] has joined #lisp 04:43:07 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 04:43:47 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-24-163-252.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:44:18 pjb, what about Circe? 04:45:44 evening 04:46:14 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 04:48:31 Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.22.190] has joined #lisp 04:49:27 ISF_ [~ivan@187.106.49.167] has joined #lisp 04:50:29 -!- Kron [~Kron@69.166.22.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:51:19 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.22.190] has quit [Client Quit] 04:51:40 -!- Stany [~John@218.247.226.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:52:21 -!- ISF [~ivan@187.106.49.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:55:51 jewel [~jewel@196.215.168.160] has joined #lisp 04:58:33 -!- pcavs [~Adium@c-67-186-132-233.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:59:55 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA26AB0.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:02:17 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 05:02:31 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Client Quit] 05:03:15 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 05:03:53 -!- vl4kn0 [~stepan_bu@host86-149-226-56.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has left #lisp 05:05:56 wedgeV [~wedge@cpe-24-193-127-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 05:08:52 asvil [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has joined #lisp 05:09:45 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:11:05 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@64.134.226.237] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 05:16:19 ISF__ [~ivan@187.106.49.167] has joined #lisp 05:18:53 -!- ISF_ [~ivan@187.106.49.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:20:58 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:24:14 -!- springz [~springz@116.231.109.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:26:08 jagarol [~jagarol@c-71-231-222-17.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:31:15 error while parsing arguments to DEFMACRO PPRINT-LOGICAL-BLOCK: 05:31:15 bogus sublist 05:31:41 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-210-81.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 05:38:13 Sgeo: I don't know Circe. 05:38:30 cmoore [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:38:57 robot-beethoven: is there a question hidding in there? http://paste.lisp.org/new if need be. 05:39:44 -!- jagarol [~jagarol@c-71-231-222-17.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:40:12 pjb: if you meet her, don't accept her proposition 05:40:26 pjb: sorry, accidentally pasted with middle mouse into ERC 05:40:35 np 05:40:50 slyrus: if she's that old, no, of course ;-) 05:41:25 springz [~springz@122-116-66-200.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 05:42:34 -!- hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:48:57 -!- pnathan [~Adium@76.178.164.157] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:50:53 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 05:52:17 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-214-97.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 05:57:22 -!- jewel [~jewel@196.215.168.160] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:58:34 -!- cmoore [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: cmoore] 05:58:51 hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:59:09 -!- DataLinkDroid [~David@1.146.22.181] has quit [Quit: Bye] 06:08:17 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:12:51 gko [~gko@211.21.137.140] has joined #lisp 06:15:51 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 06:17:21 adeht [void@flash.ignite.lol.vc] has joined #lisp 06:19:14 wolflee [~wolflee@222.130.135.165] has joined #lisp 06:24:25 cmoore [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:24:25 -!- hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:28:44 achiu [~achiu@ip68-96-95-213.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 06:32:32 albacker [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 06:32:32 -!- albacker [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Changing host] 06:32:32 albacker [~eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has joined #lisp 06:33:08 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.108.77] has joined #lisp 06:35:15 impulse32 [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176442544.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 06:36:33 -!- Enerccio [~enerccio@158.194.169.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:37:46 adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:39:14 -!- cmoore [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: cmoore] 06:42:06 hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:43:28 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-064-177-005.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 06:44:23 -!- ISF__ [~ivan@187.106.49.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:46:37 -!- wedgeV [~wedge@cpe-24-193-127-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:46:45 wedgeV [~wedge@cpe-24-193-127-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 06:48:47 -!- Axioplase_ [~Axioplase@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has quit [Quit: bbl] 06:51:01 -!- wedgeV [~wedge@cpe-24-193-127-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:51:15 Stany [~John@218.247.226.72] has joined #lisp 06:53:36 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 06:53:52 Axioplase [~Axioplase@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has joined #lisp 06:58:13 wedgeV [~wedge@cpe-24-193-127-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 07:03:56 -!- hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: hydo] 07:04:45 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:05:46 -!- wedgeV [~wedge@cpe-24-193-127-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: wedgeV] 07:06:26 -!- zulu_inuoe_ [~zulu_inuo@c-174-58-204-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:06:54 hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:07:18 superjudge [~superjudg@195.22.80.140] has joined #lisp 07:08:11 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 07:09:53 kilon [~kvirc@178.59.17.196] has joined #lisp 07:10:31 *pjb* trembles. Oh, no, not cylons, kilon. Ouf! 07:10:45 gekko_ [~jjk@server1.pro-it.dk] has joined #lisp 07:11:25 actually my nick is not pronounced like cylon its more like key lon 07:11:49 The weight of a thousand ns. 07:12:12 what is a ns ? 07:13:04 kilon: sure, but k<->c occurs often in evolving spoken languages. 07:13:05 Plural. 07:13:21 Like Japanese. 07:13:38 Or Mexican. 07:13:56 Or, possibly in Church Latin. 07:14:11 true, my nick is greek, and most greeks thing it means Kg , which it does in modern greek :D, but its ancient greek 07:14:46 gaidal [~gaidal@h164n1-m-sp-d4.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #lisp 07:14:58 You can work your way up to Myramydon. 07:14:58 workflow [~workflow@178-83-8-30.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 07:15:15 also means "horse" in ancient greek, weird how word in a single language can such diffirent things 07:15:22 *mean 07:15:41 definetly nothing like programming language 07:15:52 See what I mean. Kilon -> Chilon -> Cheval in French. 07:16:24 Yes. Not like list and list, for example. 07:16:27 Chilon ? 07:16:39 Or open and open. 07:16:43 An invented intermediate stage. 07:16:48 kilon: Morphing. 07:16:50 ah ok 07:17:20 He skipped latin. 07:17:38 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-mstsmxsjbqzvdwmv] has joined #lisp 07:17:49 It should have been Caballus. 07:17:51 MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-2-131-169.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 07:20:38 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-158-1.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:21:47 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #lisp 07:21:54 "Cabala" or more like "cavala" means "to ride" in greek 07:22:43 That's a more likely derivation. 07:23:35 fantasticsid [~user@2001:da8:8001:708:606f:d382:33b6:5fab] has joined #lisp 07:26:45 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:28:14 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 07:30:12 ianmcorvidae 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[Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:24:32 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 09:28:55 osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has joined #lisp 09:29:02 how can I convert 1 to #\1 ? 09:29:17 digit-char 09:37:59 -!- tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.148.196.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:38:24 Kryztof [~user@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 09:41:17 egnarts-ms [~smsmfk@195.160.233.181] has joined #lisp 09:44:39 -!- egnarts-ms [~smsmfk@195.160.233.181] has left #lisp 09:45:42 varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 09:53:48 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@webuds163-174.rz.uni-saarland.de] has joined #lisp 09:54:09 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@webuds163-174.rz.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:56:54 -!- KDr2 [~kdr2@123.112.67.43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:39 -!- newcup [newcup@peruna.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01:35 JKiiski [~JKiiski@178.239.192.175] has joined #lisp 10:02:41 newcup 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I tried asdf:apply-output-translations but that gives identity 10:11:25 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 10:11:56 -!- gko [~gko@211.21.137.140] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:14:08 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.0.94.1] 10:17:01 in the olden days there was a function called asdf:output-files, acting on an operation and a component 10:17:17 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-214-97.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:17:46 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 10:18:08 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:21:11 -!- naryl [~weechat@31.186.100.218] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 10:22:01 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-208-140.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 10:22:29 -!- yzg [~yzg@csdoor2.COMP.POLYU.EDU.HK] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:27:05 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:32:36 naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has joined #lisp 10:33:45 -!- naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has quit [Client Quit] 10:34:47 -!- fantasticsid [~user@2001:da8:8001:708:606f:d382:33b6:5fab] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:36:18 -!- JKiiski [~JKiiski@178.239.192.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:36:32 naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has joined #lisp 10:38:57 -!- naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:39:23 naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has joined #lisp 10:40:35 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-214-97.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 10:45:44 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:47:24 _class_ [~class@99-105-56-217.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 10:48:03 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:48:15 -!- __class__ [~class@99-105-56-217.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:48:27 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 10:49:15 Kryztof: yes, but it's not so simple to use: (asdf:output-files (make-instance 'asdf:compile-op) (asdf:find-component (asdf:find-system system) component)) ; not exactly what I'd call an API 10:51:45 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-208-140.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:51:49 -!- _class_ is now known as __class__ 10:52:06 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:52:23 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 10:52:39 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:55:48 funny. It's exactly what I'd call an API -- it's general, and you can write the functionality that you need in terms of it 10:56:36 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM1-114-101-24.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 10:56:49 Well, ok to call it an API, but it's not simple. 10:57:00 that is fair enough 10:57:06 -!- mensch [~mensch@c-67-189-240-148.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:57:18 Otherwise, you're right, I tend to write my own "command" functions to be used at the REPL, and to be easily findable with apropos. 10:58:11 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 10:58:58 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 11:02:08 -!- impulse32 [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176442544.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:02:41 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-196.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:02:48 -!- springz__ [~springz@122-116-66-200.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:04:31 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:06:00 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 11:11:47 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-208-140.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:13:21 -!- whh [~wh@112.91.81.82] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:14:16 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:17:47 alunihil [~chatzilla@111-252-215-212.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 11:22:36 rvrebane [~rvrebane@valjapaas.vkhk.ee] has joined #lisp 11:23:32 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-208-140.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 11:26:51 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@100.Red-88-11-23.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 11:28:55 -!- tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:29:57 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM1-114-101-24.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:30:10 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-214-97.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:32:37 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.159.184] has joined #lisp 11:40:40 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:42:22 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 11:47:00 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-189-72.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 11:47:10 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 11:51:57 zfx [~zfx@109.174.157.242] has joined #lisp 11:51:57 -!- zfx [~zfx@109.174.157.242] has quit [Changing host] 11:51:57 zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has joined #lisp 11:52:48 -!- Netfeed [~netfeed@cinch/fan/netfeed] has left #lisp 11:57:43 -!- ghuntley [~ghuntley@14-200-9-232.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: .] 11:59:36 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:59:49 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-mstsmxsjbqzvdwmv] has left #lisp 12:03:54 ghuntley [~ghuntley@14-200-9-232.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 12:04:23 *Xach* feels the thrill of Lisp excitement! 12:06:43 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 12:07:08 jasox [~jasox@178.239.26.136] has joined #lisp 12:08:01 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 12:09:48 liiiissssspppppppyes 12:11:28 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@100.Red-88-11-23.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 12:12:33 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:13:13 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-196.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:14:07 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:14:36 Has anyone gotten this error while trying to install cl-ncurses? pastebin.com/AdYsg2ej 12:15:16 I have not gotten that. What output do you get from "file /usr/lib/libncurses.so" in the shell? 12:15:39 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 12:16:44 /usr/lib/libncurses.so: ASCII text 12:17:21 I don't know enough about library setup to say how you might fix it, sorry. 12:18:36 I don't even think it's a lisp issue because I've gotten similar errors while compiling programs in other languages, but I was just making sure 12:21:36 Arbamisto: the file is corrupted, reinstall the package. 12:21:56 "too short" and/or "ASCII text" means not a shared object. 12:22:07 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:22:26 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-208-140.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:23:35 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 12:24:36 -!- gekko_ [~jjk@server1.pro-it.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:25:00 flip215: I reinstalled it and tried again, but I got the same error 12:25:48 Arbamisto: it should be a symlink. delete it and re-run ldconfig. 12:26:23 flip215: what about an ld script? 12:26:45 flip215: libncurses.so is supposed to be the symlink, correct? 12:26:52 What does it link to? 12:27:24 well, I guess there's some libncurses.so.N in that directory, too 12:27:29 Xach: what about it? 12:28:03 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Nov 4 13:07 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libncurses.so.5 -> libncurses.so.5.9 12:28:03 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 138856 Nov 4 13:07 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libncurses.so.5.9 12:28:06 that's my situation 12:29:30 flip215: That seems like an alternative to "corrupted" and "symlink" 12:29:44 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:29:55 flip215: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/cffi/+bug/941257 12:30:15 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-41-113.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:31:04 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-50-006.cascadeaccess.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:09 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-50-006.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 12:31:14 oh, ok. never came across one of them. 12:31:29 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 12:31:56 but deleting that file might cause ld to search in other directories, and to find the correct file ;] 12:32:05 gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 12:32:30 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-196.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:34:24 -!- alunihil [~chatzilla@111-252-215-212.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 12:35:08 I deleted libncurses.so and ran ldconfig, so I now I get this: pastebin.com/UjwiHCZu 12:35:30 -!- orivej [~orivej@ip-83-149-3-61.nwgsm.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:39:38 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:40:04 -!- Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has left #lisp 12:42:15 Arbamisto: and what does file say for that one? 12:43:04 flip215: I made a libncurses.so symlink to libncurses.so.5 and the installation worked without error 12:43:23 fine 12:43:33 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:43:53 Thank you for your help 12:45:31 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 12:45:32 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 12:46:19 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@webuds163-174.rz.uni-saarland.de] has joined #lisp 12:47:54 np 12:48:53 -!- CrazyThinker [~CrazyThin@unaffiliated/crazythinker] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:49:06 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 12:50:38 -!- workflow [~workflow@178-83-8-30.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:50:47 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0484.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 12:55:40 CrazyThinker [~CrazyThin@unaffiliated/crazythinker] has joined #lisp 12:56:33 gekko_ [~jjk@server1.pro-it.dk] has joined #lisp 13:01:44 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-208-140.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:02:12 -!- mvilleneuve 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see this error report from SBCL: "too many prepositions! current LOOP context: FOR OBJ-ID BEING THE HASH-KEYS IM." 14:47:43 optikalmouse [~user@76.9.199.178] has joined #lisp 14:48:06 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 14:48:33 ,o/ 14:48:34 s/IM/IN/ Perhaps? 14:48:38 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 14:49:10 yes was IN... just made me laugh when SBCL shouted at me 14:51:10 -!- Vivitron [~user@pool-173-48-170-228.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:53:00 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:53:37 Vivitron [~user@pool-173-48-170-228.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:53:56 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl22-74-137.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 14:56:08 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.22.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:57:08 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:58:25 -!- jtza8 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situation to criticize a regex implementation for its results :) but what would you normally do to skip that first "" 16:58:37 CrazyThinker [~CrazyThin@unaffiliated/crazythinker] has joined #lisp 16:59:00 kenanb: cl:rest will do 16:59:10 kenanb: _or_ you could learn how regular expressions really work 16:59:25 kennyd: what are you really trying to match? 16:59:30 incf stassats` 17:00:47 H4ns: well, I meant to ask if I had a problem with my regex string that causes this, I already cdr the results for achieving what I want 17:01:04 because the regexp you showed us doesn't do what you told it does 17:01:26 H4ns: and I already apologized for asking this with lacking regex background :) 17:01:40 kenanb: you could also paste a transcript to paste.lisp.org to show what you are precisely doing. 17:01:48 [SLB] [~slabua@host89-69-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 17:01:49 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@host89-69-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 17:01:49 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 17:02:11 stassats`: hmm, then maybe it is a defect of file format and line ending chars maybe, will paste now, pardon me 17:03:43 kenanb: in the transcript, please add some examples of expected input and output, unless the description is overly clear. i'm not entirely sure what you want to do exactly. 17:04:29 -!- achiu [~achiu@ip68-96-95-213.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:04:31 http://paste.lisp.org/display/128469 17:04:35 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-50-006.cascadeaccess.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:05:13 kenanb: why the create-scanner? does the compiler macro not work for you? 17:05:25 -!- parabolize [~gyro@c-75-70-14-105.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:05:36 pjb: http://git.io/yVKG1Q 17:06:27 H4ns: I imagine he simply doesn't know about it. 17:06:29 kenanb: and, why the complex splitting regex? "\\[\\]" with :limit 2 should do. you'll still have the extra element in the beginning because you are using slipt. 17:06:30 H4ns: i read enabling single-line-mode is good when appropriate, so I added create scanners afterwards 17:06:46 hydo [~hydo@c-71-197-178-162.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:06:53 kenanb: you can use (?s) in the regex, but it is not needed anyway. 17:07:07 parabolize [~gyro@c-75-70-14-105.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:07:29 kenanb: and what does the input look like? 17:07:38 oh, it's further, sorry 17:07:52 kenanb: if you really want to _match_ what is in the brackets and what comes after it, use cl-ppcre:scan and "^\[(.*?)\](.*)" or something in the lines of that. 17:08:01 so, why are you using split? 17:08:17 kenanb: "^\\[ etc. you'll figure it out. 17:08:46 madnificent: I annotated the expected result 17:09:13 -!- jcowan [~John@cpe-66-108-19-185.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:09:44 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:10:26 Vivitron [~user@pool-173-48-170-228.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:10:33 X-Scale [name@89.180.162.197] has joined #lisp 17:10:47 kenanb: note that there's CHAR-NOT-EQUAL 17:10:55 -!- X-Scale is now known as Guest14172 17:11:14 but CHAR-EQUAL is case incentive, it's better to use CHAR= or CHAR/= 17:11:31 eno [~eno@70.137.133.209] has joined #lisp 17:11:31 -!- eno [~eno@70.137.133.209] has quit [Changing host] 17:11:31 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:11:42 another way to negate it would be to use while (char= (char line 0) #\[) 17:11:54 but that won't work if the string is empty 17:13:17 ISF__ [~ivan@143.106.196.253] has joined #lisp 17:13:38 -!- hydo [~hydo@c-71-197-178-162.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: hydo] 17:14:56 kenanb: scan is indeed what you want to use, i think 17:18:22 hehe I am trying to modify it according to your suggestions but this was like an information burst :) 17:18:29 -!- nha [~prefect@dhcp-15-224.math.tu-berlin.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:20:24 pnq [~nick@AC812358.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 17:20:29 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl22-74-137.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 17:20:45 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 17:20:45 francogrex [franco@grex.cyberspace.org] has joined #lisp 17:21:09 jagarol [~jagarol@wsip-24-234-70-84.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #lisp 17:21:17 kenanb: http://paste.lisp.org/display/128469#2 17:21:20 hello. i have troubles using sbcl --dynamic-space-size. could someone have a look at http://paste.lisp.org/display/128470 to give me a hint, what i am overlooking? 17:21:49 trebor_dki: :program-args '("--dynamic-space-size" "3000") 17:22:26 though, it's already quoted 17:23:01 stassats`: thanks, testing ... 17:23:02 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:23:06 I am using two different libs one is plain-odbc and the other is clsql to query an oracle DB. However the results are incosistent especially when the DB data column is of type LONG. Does anyone have experience with these issues? 17:23:12 well, actually, that's both wrong 17:23:27 trebor_dki: should be ("/home/local/trebor/Sourcen/extern/sbcl-1.0.54-x86-64-linux/run-sbcl.sh" "--dynamic-space-size 3000") 17:24:22 stassats`: so no :program-args at all, right? 17:24:28 right 17:24:48 thanks, testing. 17:24:57 stassats`: thanks mate, it works, i'll see how now :) 17:25:53 trebor_dki: well, the way i showed first is not wrong, it would work, but the second way is easier 17:26:17 btw is [\\n\\r] right regex for matching any kind of line-ending char? 17:26:58 well, read-line will at least remove \n 17:27:04 stassats`: it works (as ps -AFww shows) , that's most important ... thanks 17:27:14 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.21.169.208] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27:19 otherwise it outputs ^M chars at the end of strings I guess because this has dos formatted ending 17:27:31 kenanb: on sbcl, there'll be \r left 17:28:25 you may want to use "(IESNA):(.*?)\\s*" 17:28:35 to omit any whitespace characters at the end 17:28:36 hydo [~hydo@c-71-197-178-162.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:28:44 -!- ISF__ [~ivan@143.106.196.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:28:46 then i need \\r? instead of [\\n\\r] 17:28:58 stassats`: ah ok 17:31:01 -!- TheMue [~TheMue@p5DDF7865.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: TheMue] 17:32:54 sacho [~sacho@95-42-91-47.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 17:32:58 ikki [~ikki@219-externo-1p5ec.vxn.itelcel.com] has joined #lisp 17:33:05 kilon_alios [~kilon@athedsl-189361.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 17:35:14 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:35:22 kilon_ [~kilon@athedsl-383707.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 17:35:27 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-396721.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:35:44 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.253] has joined #lisp 17:36:30 stassats`: wow, this register-group-bind rocks, i can directly bind values to slots of classes with it instead of first listing them like I do here :) 17:36:41 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@100.Red-88-11-23.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 17:37:08 -!- kilon_alios [~kilon@athedsl-189361.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:37:22 i guess i should have said bind slots to values instead of values to slots, anyway 17:37:47 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:37:48 you can bind slots 17:37:50 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:37:50 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:37:51 can't 17:37:57 -!- sacho is now known as ohcas 17:38:05 you can only set them 17:39:18 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-175-107.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:41:26 killown [~geek@unaffiliated/killown] has joined #lisp 17:42:02 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-33-22.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 17:42:56 -!- vervic 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lisp/emacs/slime/quicklisp and i was wondering: is it possible to user M-. (meta-point: go to definition) on quicklisp functions/packages that exists inside quicklisp? 19:07:04 -!- kenanb [5e36ede3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.54.237.227] has left #lisp 19:07:19 Hello 19:07:35 I'm not quite sure how to parse that 19:07:54 espadrine [~thaddee_t@acces2373.res.insa-lyon.fr] has joined #lisp 19:08:14 In Emacs/Slime you can use the shortcut key Meta-point or Alt-point to go to a definition of a function 19:08:35 OK, then probably yes 19:08:46 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 19:08:48 Can i somehow go to a defition inside another file? 19:08:54 Probably not 19:09:15 Ah okay 19:09:19 jagarol [~jagarol@96-39-226-25.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:09:44 sanderlisp: you will have to load the package, and meta point should work. (it typically works on the CL library functions as well.) 19:09:54 cabaire [~nobody@p54940562.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:10:27 Vivitron: that's what i was thinking, cause i have been able to view source like that on loaded packages 19:10:36 loading the package means executing (ql:quickload :clack) inside de slime repl? 19:10:47 sanderlisp: yes 19:11:55 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 19:12:08 -!- sanderlisp [~user@D97A9544.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has left #lisp 19:12:20 sanderlisp [~user@D97A9544.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 19:12:35 ok thanks i will give it a try :) 19:12:38 That will load it. If you really want to jump to symbols of unloaded packages I'd bet that you could set something up with emacs tag files, but I haven't tried that. 19:14:11 -!- bjonnh [~bjonnh@147.210.71.83] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:15:41 -!- jagarol [~jagarol@96-39-226-25.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:15:44 Oh, and by the way 19:16:03 Like yesterday, quicklisp is still acting wonky about systems on my disk 19:16:19 -!- billitch [~billitch@nor75-17-82-67-199-96.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:17:56 Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 19:18:18 Vivitron: thanks! it works :) seems i made an error and it used the older fasl file 19:19:10 umm, there has been no SBCL release for a couple of months, unusual 19:19:20 maybe that means it is finished 19:19:47 jagarol [~jagarol@96-39-226-25.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:20:10 >.> 19:20:16 http://paste.lisp.org/display/128454 19:20:54 <_< 19:22:05 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 19:23:01 -!- jagarol [~jagarol@96-39-226-25.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:23:29 jagarol [~jagarol@96-39-226-25.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:23:46 Any ideas? 19:25:07 can asdf find it? 19:26:45 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-064-177-005.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:26:51 -!- jagarol [~jagarol@96-39-226-25.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27:15 The ASD file is in the first annotation 19:27:29 for reference, the file is cl-sca.lisp 19:27:35 there is also a package.lisp 19:27:37 pnq [~nick@ACA3797D.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 19:28:26 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:28:35 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-320817.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 19:29:02 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-33-22.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:29:40 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:29:41 Right, but asdf needs to be pointed to your asd file to find it 19:30:47 -!- kilon_ [~kilon@athedsl-383707.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:30:55 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 19:31:27 I use this setup described by Xach (he doesn't seem to like it anymore, but it works nicely.) http://xach.livejournal.com/278047.html 19:31:58 ivan-kan` [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 19:32:24 totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:32:30 Vivitron: same error occurs 19:34:56 kreol_ [~quassel@85.198.173.181] has joined #lisp 19:35:19 (maphash (lambda (x y) (print (list x y))) asdf::*source-registry*) is your system in that output? 19:36:02 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:36:15 Here, just a sec 19:36:41 why do you quickload a file? 19:37:18 Nope, not there 19:37:30 oh, i only read the first annotation 19:38:20 *stassats`* resumes not paying attetnion 19:38:40 QL relies on ASDF for loading your personal systems. I suggest checking for typos, firing up a new lisp image, and trying again. 19:38:51 albacker [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:38:51 -!- albacker [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:38:51 albacker [~eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has joined #lisp 19:41:08 OK, thanks 19:41:34 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-175-107.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:42:24 one gotchya is that once you have everything working you need to (asdf:initialize-source-registry) to get asdf to see a new system that you create, because asdf is not constantly scanning your hard drive. 19:42:47 Ah, I see 19:42:51 Thank you 19:43:23 no problem 19:43:30 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:43:48 *sigh* why do so many impls whine about me defining a method on ENSURE-CLASS-USING-CLASS? 19:47:18 paul0` [~user@177.132.101.9] has joined #lisp 19:47:20 -!- paul0 [~user@177.132.101.170] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:47:36 gh0ul [~grim@188.27.101.96] has joined #lisp 19:47:40 Hello everyone 19:48:25 I'm trying to play around with using Lisp for shell scripts, but I got stuck imediately 19:48:52 Implementation name, specific problem, paste of code. Gogogo. 19:49:07 use http://paste.lisp.org 19:49:48 I use sbcl, and need to pass sbcl --noscript to /usr/bin/env, but I --script doesn't work and I get a `No such file or directory' 19:50:00 Oh, no need for pastie, it's one line :) 19:50:15 #!/usr/bin/env sbcl --noscript 19:50:20 That's all I used 19:50:45 All the reference I found to this point says that should work, but it doesn't so I'm assuming...old articles. 19:51:02 Running SBCL 1.0.50 19:52:51 gh0ul: i use #!/usr/local/bin/sbcl --script 19:53:13 gh0ul: you may also find TRIVIAL-SHELL to be a useful library 19:53:56 Vivitron: how do I update the source registry in such a manner that it detects my asdf system? 19:54:00 gh0ul: Is sbcl in your path? 19:54:04 gh0ul: also, check out CL-LAUNCH 19:56:10 Cosman246: create the projects.conf file as described in the blog post I linked, you might need to restart lisp after that. 19:56:20 ah, thanks 19:56:36 wait, running zsh, could that be an issue? 19:56:40 p9710 [~stian@stimpack.sletner.com] has joined #lisp 19:57:06 -!- chupish [182c5af4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.44.90.244] has quit [Quit: will be back later] 19:57:11 sellout: it is, removing the --script runs the normal sbcl 19:57:22 vervic [~vervic@vie-91-186-151-046.dsl.sil.at] has joined #lisp 19:57:38 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d013fc7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 19:58:07 hi 19:58:14 Cosman246: trying to stick to vanilla sbcl for now, without getting involved with extra libraries. Will check those out anyway, so thanks 19:58:35 -!- EarlGray [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:58:36 gh0ul: --noscript? 19:58:42 EarlGray [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 19:59:15 haha, good catch 19:59:23 Too much HTML in my life :) 19:59:27 --script 20:00:14 Vivitron: projects.conf is only mentioned there for placement in msw 7 20:00:20 gh0ul: ok, now you have typed a lot of stuff that is not coherent. can you get back to the suggestion and paste a transcript of a session that exposes the problem to paste.lisp.org, please? 20:01:54 -!- p9710 [~stian@stimpack.sletner.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03:44 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-175-107.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:05:43 H4ns: nothing incoherent about that if you know basic HTML. I was aiming for a joke, but it seems this it's not the best place for that. Here you go: http://paste.lisp.org/display/128474 20:07:28 simon_weber [u4119@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rphxajmgacegzybk] has joined #lisp 20:07:59 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.196.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:08:13 gh0ul: the error message seems to come from /usr/bin/env? 20:09:18 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:09:24 Cosman246: perhaps you missed it, in the body of the post near the top... 20:09:47 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:09:48 -!- ivan-kan` [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:09:59 gh0ul: works for me, with SHELL set to zsh, sh, bash. i think there is something screwy with your environment. 20:10:26 Never said it comes from another application. The problem is that /usr/bin/env does not interpret the --script and errors out, even though, according to every article that I read on this matter before comming in here for help, it should work with this form. 20:10:47 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@100.Red-88-11-23.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 20:10:55 Nauntilus [~androirc@wsip-68-14-222-194.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:11:14 Not sure what that could be, I run a pretty vanilla zsh, and `/usr/bin/env sbcl' returns the sbcl app. Anyway, thanks for your help. 20:12:22 gh0ul: just `/usr/bin/env sbcl script` at the command line has the same problem? 20:12:39 stupid IRC client replaced double-dash with . 20:12:45 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@100.Red-88-11-23.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:13:04 -!- vervic [~vervic@vie-91-186-151-046.dsl.sil.at] has quit [Quit: vervic] 20:13:33 gh0ul: i'm not sure if either /usr/bin/env, zsh or sbcl are to blame 20:14:15 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA10AB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:14:22 gh0ul: to me, it looks more as if the kernel does not break the hashbang command line apart, but i could be fantasizing. 20:15:05 Is there a standard function to remove duplicates from a list? 20:15:19 Ralith: the obscurely named remove-duplicates? 20:15:23 ...welp 20:15:38 -!- gh0ul [~grim@188.27.101.96] has left #lisp 20:16:11 someone should write a proper blog post about how horrible and outdated Lisp naming conventions are. It's really too much. 20:16:47 I love lisp naming conventions 20:16:53 funny, and betterThanThis 20:17:07 or hungarianIdentifiersPCSNSI 20:17:10 Cosman246: you are preaching to the choir 20:17:12 you could take either position, complaining about remove-duplicate and their ilk or CIS and their ilk 20:17:31 that's reverse polish hungarian notation, no? 20:17:47 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.253] has joined #lisp 20:18:00 Vivitron: ah, found it 20:18:32 Here is my projects.conf: 20:18:32 (:tree "/home/cosman246/src/common-lisp/") 20:18:36 tada 20:18:54 unfortunately, it still doesn' 20:19:00 *doesn't change anything 20:19:06 even if I kill slime and re-open it 20:19:31 ._. 20:20:01 yay! 20:20:04 It works now! 20:20:16 great:) 20:20:52 now I can....debug! 20:27:58 -!- rvrebane [~rvrebane@valjapaas.vkhk.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:28:51 Farzad [~farzadbek@46.225.106.239] has joined #lisp 20:29:05 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA3797D.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:32:44 francogrex [~user@109.130.116.77] has joined #lisp 20:36:25 I am disappointed with the oracle interface of clsql. plain-odbc works much better and is simpler... 20:41:41 Bike [~Glossina@71-214-108-110.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:43:51 phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 20:43:52 -!- phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 20:43:52 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 20:49:13 jacius [~jacius@c-24-13-89-230.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:49:17 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:49:57 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:49:59 -!- ikki [~ikki@219-externo-1p5ec.vxn.itelcel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:50:10 -!- asvil [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:53:34 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.116.77] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:54:30 s0ber_ [~s0ber@114-36-240-66.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:54:36 Is there a function to find out what the "true" length of a vector with a fill pointer is? In other words, its maximum capacity without needing to be extended. 20:54:45 -!- totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:54:47 -!- tensorpudding_ is now known as tensorpudding 20:54:56 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-235-126.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:55:16 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 20:55:25 NeedMoreDesu [~user@109.122.18.8] has joined #lisp 20:55:31 Would this "work" as a macro's lambda-list? 20:55:38 ERC> (name (&optional level c-class species gender gold city newbie) (&rest args) &body body) 20:55:40 Oops 20:55:46 jacius, array-dimension 20:55:57 (name (&optional level c-class species gender gold city newbie) (&rest args) &body body) 20:56:14 adeht: Aha, thank you very much :) 20:56:18 yes Cosman246 20:56:30 Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.22.190] has joined #lisp 20:56:37 yay 20:56:55 Can I get arg's size in bytes? 20:56:55 orivej [~orivej@ip-83-149-3-66.nwgsm.ru] has joined #lisp 20:57:01 Ragnaroek_ [~chatzilla@p5081ADAB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:57:02 thanks 20:57:24 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@p5081ADAB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:57:47 -!- Ragnaroek_ is now known as Ragnaroek 21:00:28 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-115-3.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:01:10 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-107-102.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 21:03:33 -!- rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:03:53 cafesofie [~user@ool-18e4c9a0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 21:03:59 pnq [~nick@172.130.66.101] has joined #lisp 21:05:38 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@31.24.92.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:05:57 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@108.60.121.114] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 21:10:11 totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:10:34 Mococa [~Mococa@187.114.163.193] has joined #lisp 21:12:57 DataLinkDroid [~David@1.157.74.188] has joined #lisp 21:13:18 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-189-72.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:44 -!- flipout [~user@75-175-117-158.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:18:20 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@187.114.163.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:20:57 vervic [~vervic@vie-91-186-151-046.dsl.sil.at] has joined #lisp 21:22:55 -!- cmoore [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22:57 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:23:04 hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:23:17 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 21:24:15 billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 21:24:30 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:25:08 Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has joined #lisp 21:28:41 -!- cabaire [~nobody@p54940562.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:33:09 etenil [~user@93-96-0-153.zone4.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 21:33:12 hi there 21:39:05 -!- etenil [~user@93-96-0-153.zone4.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:42:04 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.108.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:43:39 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 21:44:13 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:44:57 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 21:45:25 -!- dekuked` [~user@static-98-164-147-69.axsne.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:45:34 adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:46:49 daniel__2 [~daniel@p5B326F5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:46:58 One algorithm that I'm implementing talks about - as a way to, whichever the number one compares against it, it will be always greater. Is there something like - in common lisp? 21:47:43 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:49:04 -!- daniel__1 [~daniel@p5082A61B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:49:19 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has joined #lisp 21:49:19 there's the IEEE float values 21:49:26 but those aren't CL. 21:50:11 Hum. 21:50:28 didi: The spec has constants like most-negative-single-float 21:50:31 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/v_most_1.htm 21:50:36 I saw one library create predicates that recognized nil as that value, and I once wrapped <, <=, etc in I<, I<=, versions which recognized :infinity and :-infinity, but neither solution seemed great to me 21:51:21 arnsholt: I'll look into those. Thank you. 21:52:03 didi: of course, those are finite values. 21:52:24 most implementations do in fact use IEEE floats, so you could just go with that. 21:52:45 Ralith: Oh, nice. I will. Thank you. 21:53:16 -!- osa1 [~sinan@31.140.3.245] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:53:33 just bear in mind that it's not strictly portable. 21:53:51 Ralith: I will. 21:53:56 ^^ 21:53:57 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:54:17 CCL for example has -1d++0 for double-float negative infinity (there's also a constant for that) 21:55:53 Now, let's find out what SBCL calls -infinity... 21:56:04 apropos is your friend 21:56:10 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable019.12-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 21:56:56 Cosman246: If you need more than one &optional argument at the same place, I'd just go with &key. In fact, I'd say it's very rarely a good idea to use &optional with exposed interfaces... 21:56:58 kinda surprised there's no trivial-ieee-constants lib or something 21:57:24 trivial-float or something? 21:58:05 something like that, yeah 21:58:52 -!- optikalmouse [~user@76.9.199.178] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:59:30 adeht: Thank you for the tip. 21:59:46 *didi* didn't know about `apropos' 21:59:51 billy_ [97976d05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.151.109.5] has joined #lisp 22:00:01 Here's my :infinity/:-infinity recognizing comparators http://paste.lisp.org/display/128479 22:00:04 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl20-209-218.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 22:00:11 quit 22:00:15 :quit 22:00:18 -!- billy_ [97976d05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.151.109.5] has left #lisp 22:04:57 nialo` [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 22:06:11 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@p5081ADAB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:07:24 -!- nialo- [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:09:57 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:11:29 Well, I've found `SB-EXT:SINGLE-FLOAT-NEGATIVE-INFINITY' that seems to do the trick. 22:11:48 are there any mathematical operations in SBCL that will result in an infinite value, or would infinity only ever be explicitly given as parameters? 22:12:09 *Phoodus* just got conditions raised when trying to overflow or divide by zero into it 22:12:42 you can disable fp exceptions 22:12:58 Phoodus: yes, by default you get conditions raised. If you are using sbcl, you have the option that didi pointed out 22:13:13 -!- hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: hydo] 22:13:26 flipout [~user@75-175-117-158.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:13:47 hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:13:50 ok, I seem to remember the same 22:16:22 -!- Zeedox [~DanDan@c213-89-4-139.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:16:58 It also seems to do the right thing in somewhat odd situations: `(> most-negative-double-float SB-EXT:SINGLE-FLOAT-NEGATIVE-INFINITY) => T' 22:21:19 didi: that is because it's ieee floats under the hood 22:22:27 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-50-006.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 22:23:21 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@h164n1-m-sp-d4.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:24:16 -!- pnq [~nick@172.130.66.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:24:50 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 22:25:20 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable019.12-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 22:25:49 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d013fc7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29:16 arthurmaciel [~user@186.204.126.4] has joined #lisp 22:29:17 hello 22:29:26 guys, do you have any opinion about http://www.amazon.com/Let-Over-Lambda-Doug-Hoyte/dp/1435712757/ref=pd_ys_qtk_general_recs_2 ? 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