00:02:05 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.159.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:05:24 Arbamisto [~Arbamisto@192.188.108.71] has joined #lisp 00:08:58 wuj [~wuj@207-237-2-224.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 00:09:23 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:10:47 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128021095.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 00:11:00 wccoder: well, the hhk is made for vim users, not emacs users. 00:11:17 They'd need to make another one with four or five modifier keys on each side of the space bar. 00:12:03 I want H- s- A- M- C- SPC C- M- A- s- H- on the bottom row 00:12:54 Or an Extended key, E- --> E- M- A- C- s- SPC  :-) 00:13:45 wccoder: otherwise, why do you hate it? 00:13:54 -!- Ralith [~ralith@static-209-139-215-92.gtcust.grouptelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:14:13 I'm using a TenKeyLess keyboard. I like to use the arrows and home/pgup/etc pad. 00:14:51 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 00:20:04 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 00:20:29 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-190-97-192.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:20:37 evening 00:21:28 hey slyrus 00:23:55 -!- wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:27:33 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:28:12 hey xach, how are things in quicklisp-land? 00:28:24 Triple great 00:29:05 ... holy fuck, tried different search for lisp info on G+ and found Xah Lee 00:29:49 Why wouldn't you? Xah's everywhere. 00:29:58 He and I were a degree apart on Orkut 00:30:16 Xach: awesome! (the triple great part anyway) 00:32:22 Xah Lee is by far the weirdest troll on the Internet 00:33:14 tlw8913 [~tenorplay@205.143.219.52] has joined #lisp 00:33:18 *p_l* adds a new reason to "why he needs to learn japanese" - "to understand that programming community o_O" 00:33:34 my search picks up quite a lot of stuff from far east 00:36:33 'night 00:40:22 Farzad [~farzadbek@46.225.115.51] has joined #lisp 00:40:35 KDr2 [~kdr2@123.112.70.206] has joined #lisp 00:45:59 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-120-20.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 00:46:14 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-220-217.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 00:46:40 p_l, are you planning on developing Metro Applications for the Windows Store 00:48:27 Xach: is Portable AllegroServe on Quicklisp from sourceforge repository? 00:50:52 can somebody think of a nice name for a connection manager ? I've had enough of NetworkManager 00:50:52 Kenjin: let me check 00:51:07 -!- asdfhjkl [~bob@i5E879AE1.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:51:08 fe[nl]ix: middleman 00:51:16 Xach, wow great name 00:51:42 that was quick :) 00:51:45 cool name 00:53:09 *Xach* etherwakes the build server 00:54:30 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 00:56:14 Xach: I'm asking because Mike Travers has a fork on github and the sourceforge repository doesn't have much activity 00:56:16 tyson1 [~Ian@bas1-toronto06-2925209955.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 00:56:33 Xach: and was wondering were to send this https://github.com/jsmpereira/portableaserve/commit/493ccb19003af67585c8585bf8341f4896f5b88c :P 00:56:53 Kenjin: Kevin Rosenberg is the maintainer and yes, I do pull it from sourceforge. 00:56:55 xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.1.16] has joined #lisp 00:56:59 Kenjin: I think he would be happy to hand it off to someone else. 00:57:31 -!- tyson1 [~Ian@bas1-toronto06-2925209955.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 00:58:26 pnathan [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has joined #lisp 00:58:54 tyson1 [~Ian@bas1-toronto06-2925209955.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 00:58:55 Xach: I see. Is the age of those commits right? latest 8 months ago, previous 6 years. 00:59:09 -!- tyson1 [~Ian@bas1-toronto06-2925209955.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 00:59:11 Xach: I suppose it's a pretty stable piece of software 01:01:02 Kenjin: sounds about right. it's stable as a corpse. 01:01:54 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has joined #lisp 01:02:16 Xach: Those changes address the issue of "The function ACL-COMPAT.MP::*ATOMIC-SPINLOCK* is undefined." 01:02:19 -!- Guthur [~user@212.183.128.12] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:40 I was getting this when trying to use portableaserve on sbcl 01:03:11 but only with the heroku-buildpack 01:03:40 I think hashing out some kind of transfer with Kevin would be great 01:04:15 Xach: what would be the best way to get in touch? 01:05:00 First name at bravo niner dot charlie oscar mike 01:05:29 Xach: solid copy 01:08:07 -!- hyoyoung [seoz@enlightenment2.osuosl.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:08:19 -!- rvirding [~chatzilla@c213-89-147-188.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120215223356]] 01:10:49 Xach: btw, what do you make of this http://paste.lisp.org/display/128366 ? 01:11:23 this is sbcl-1.0.54 01:11:49 -!- DataLinkDroid [~David@1.138.135.24] has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:11:58 I managed to get it going with those changes, when I'm supposed to get a 404 I get that SB-POSIX:STAT error 01:12:57 Dunno, sorry. Could be slippage in acl-compat or something. 01:13:00 I've never used paserve 01:14:28 hyoyoung [seoz@enlightenment2.osuosl.org] has joined #lisp 01:16:23 Maybe Kevin has an idea 01:21:47 -!- dekuked [~user@pool-108-7-203-109.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:22:57 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A4896.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:24:50 -!- Yuuhi` [benni@p5483A897.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:26:38 loktigon [~loktigon@h178.39.140.67.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #lisp 01:27:26 springz [~springz@199.119.206.50] has joined #lisp 01:30:52 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 01:36:08 Xach: just to close that off.. buildapp is working fine. It's just that threading behaviour is different on the two systems. Everything is great now. buildapp is nice. 01:36:57 I'm using the one in quicklisp, but there's a new one with a --compress-core option, right? How often do you update quicklisp? 01:42:30 xyxu1 [~xyxu@58.41.0.116] has joined #lisp 01:43:01 -!- tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:43:14 In asdf,how can I tell that some file must always be loaded from sources, instead of using an existing fasl? 01:44:00 xyxu2 [~xyxu@58.41.1.16] has joined #lisp 01:44:03 I have a source with #+swank, but if it's compiled with swank, and later I load the system without swank, it obviously tries to use swank from the fasl. 01:44:04 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.1.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:44:11 Kind of a zombie swank :-) 01:46:49 -!- xyxu1 [~xyxu@58.41.0.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:49:11 antgreen: once per month 01:49:27 antgreen: though i'm a bit reluctant to keep buildapp in quicklisp. it's blatantly sbcl-only. 01:49:44 antgreen: the new buildapp has --compress-core and --dynamic-space-size options 01:50:24 pjb: i thought there was a class for that (load-only cl source) 01:54:20 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0E4C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 01:55:01 *Xach* checks l1sp.org/asdf/manual 01:55:20 -!- nialo- [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 01:55:58 There's a load-source-op, but that's not what I want, the rest of the system is comopiled and can be loaded from fasl. 01:56:02 -!- pnathan [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:56:26 pnathan [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has joined #lisp 01:56:48 I wonder if (:in-order-to (:load-op "myself" (:compile-op "myself"))) would work? 01:58:51 No, still same problem. 01:59:30 with (:file "swank-stuff" (:in-order-to (asdf:load-op" (asdf:compile-op "swank-stuff")))). 01:59:40 s/op"/op 01:59:43 the asdf list might have some ideas 01:59:53 mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.176] has joined #lisp 01:59:53 Yes. I'll go there. Thanks. 02:00:08 Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 02:00:10 Hello 02:03:16 -!- wuj [~wuj@207-237-2-224.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:11:11 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:13:06 For now, #+swank in the asdf file will do 02:14:10 Well, not exactly, other fasl grew dependencies on it 02:14:24 I'll have to recompile everything. 02:19:29 gko [~gko@220.228.255.202] has joined #lisp 02:23:43 -!- TDT [~user@50-83-108-248.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:23:43 I hate it when the name of my own functions mislead me in the error messages from the compiler :-/ 02:24:55 -!- loktigon [~loktigon@h178.39.140.67.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:28:20 TDT [~user@50-83-108-248.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 02:32:05 -!- davlaps [~davlaps@pool-108-49-122-166.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 02:33:21 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 02:33:25 totzeit1 [~kirkwood@99.2.25.234] has joined #lisp 02:33:37 loktigon [~loktigon@67-197-238-50.dyn.comporium.net] has joined #lisp 02:33:43 DataLinkDroid [~David@1.138.135.24] has joined #lisp 02:34:23 -!- TDT [~user@50-83-108-248.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:35:40 elkng [~elkng@unaffiliated/elkng] has joined #lisp 02:36:48 topic is difficult to understand 02:37:01 elkng: the #1= part? 02:37:14 all after "Common Lisp" 02:37:37 #= and ## are reader macros, which allows to read in shared structures and circular structures. 02:37:43 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@176.222.149.213] has joined #lisp 02:37:43 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@176.222.149.213] has quit [Changing host] 02:37:43 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 02:38:04 #n= remembers the object read thereafter, and #n# refers it. 02:38:34 elkng: as such, it's a circular list 02:38:34 So #1=(programmable . #1#) is aread as a cons cell containing the symbol PROGRAMMABLE in its car, and a reference to itself in its cdr. 02:39:08 If you try to print it with (setf *print-circle* nil), you get (programmable programmable programmable programmable  indefinitely. 02:39:23 So it's used to represent an infinite list of programmable. 02:39:53 With the Klein notation, we could have written: the programmable^ programming language. 02:40:28 This is a reference to the metalinguistic capabilities of CL. 02:41:00 The rest is a link to the prefered paste service, and the current versions of important packages. 02:41:05 pjb: and now it turns out he monas s/monas/means/ (wth?!) 02:44:58 zulu_inuoe [~zulu_inuo@c-174-58-204-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:46:04 does format have a directive which prints a certain character n times? 02:46:13 with n being an argument given to format 02:46:33 -!- mgodshall [~quassel@pool-108-36-207-226.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 02:46:54 do all this tricky things will make language popular ? 02:46:55 -!- Farzad [~farzadbek@46.225.115.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:47:41 -!- mcstar [~mcstar@adsl-89-132-33-164.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit [Quit: mcstar] 02:47:53 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 02:48:23 elkng: it expresses the power of lisp. i haven't needed to use that syntax so far. but it could come in handy one day :) 02:48:32 drwho [~drwho@216-122-174-206.gci.net] has joined #lisp 02:49:08 elkng: lisp is rather complex, but not because it is a complex construction. it's complex because it has a lot of features. if you only need a limited subset of them, then i'd argue that lisp is a rather clean and simple language. 02:50:43 madnificent: huh, it seems not 02:50:48 i keep remember wanting that 02:50:51 vsync: it seems not? 02:50:52 just looked again with no luck 02:50:58 does format have a directive which prints a certain character n times? 02:51:00 ah, the format thing! 02:51:05 MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-8-159-16.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 02:51:09 -!- tlw8913 [~tenorplay@205.143.219.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:51:11 i thought you were talking about my comment to elkng :) 02:51:12 madnificent: (format nil "~42") 02:51:22 Oops, no. 02:51:25 pjb: can 42 be an argument, instead of a fixed number? 02:51:42 (format nil "~42,,,'X<~>") => "XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX" 02:51:44 There. 02:52:23 And of course, you can write (format nil "~V,,,V<~>" n ch) 02:52:55 it can't get much more cryptic than that, but i'll take it with pleasure 02:53:44 Now, in L.S.E, you'd write: AFFICHER[42'X'] or AFFICHER[*'X']n which is less cryptic, but you cannot parameterize both :-) 02:54:06 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-159-16.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:54:19 pjb: what is L.S.E? 02:54:38 Langage Symbolique d'Enseignement, and old French programming language. 02:54:44 pjb: it's not cryptic once you know it anymore, so it's quite ok. and the arguments that are given make it rather clear in my case. i like it a lot! 02:58:00 (format nil "~20,,,'_:@") => "________Hello_______" 02:58:03 That's great! 03:00:30 -!- adeht [void@shahih.muslim.st] has quit [Quit: death] 03:18:27 srolls [~user@c-76-126-212-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:19:18 jewel [~jewel@c-76-102-3-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:21:04 -!- totzeit1 [~kirkwood@99.2.25.234] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:25:04 redsky [~vigil@adsl-074-229-197-048.sip.mco.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 03:26:04 solussd [~solussd@108.167.2.53] has joined #lisp 03:27:12 stlifey [~stlifey@119.121.183.88] has joined #lisp 03:28:32 -!- killown [~geek@unaffiliated/killown] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:36:15 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:36:35 -!- springz [~springz@199.119.206.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:37:36 yesterday I think I saw someone mention a possible *general* solution to the APPLYing a macro (or special operator) problem. I think I just made an interesting little closure-builder that could really benefit from it. Am a bit of a noob, so go easy on me: 03:37:42 (defun functional (this-function &rest other-functions) (lambda (&rest closure-args) (apply this-function (mapcar (rcurry #'apply closure-args) other-functions)))) 03:38:25 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 03:38:27 hugod [~user@12.104.145.50] has joined #lisp 03:38:43 The idea is you have some functions, other-functions, that have the same argument interface. And you want to combine them using this-function, but you want to combine them in a closure so you can reuse it with whatever args you want. 03:39:49 It appears to work, except not for special operators or macros, which is a damn shame. Oh yeah, I'm using Graham's rcurry to pass in the closure-args 03:40:19 -!- loktigon [~loktigon@67-197-238-50.dyn.comporium.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:41:22 killown [~geek@unaffiliated/killown] has joined #lisp 03:41:49 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:48:47 springz [~springz@116.231.107.88] has joined #lisp 03:52:12 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-roltvthqzlzdzgwz] has joined #lisp 04:03:47 bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip70-189-66-194.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 04:03:56 is there a compile process for sbcl? 04:04:06 like sbcl foo.lisp ? 04:04:12 See compile-file? 04:08:26 -!- springz [~springz@116.231.107.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:08:58 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 04:18:11 Transformer [~Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 04:19:21 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Disconnected by services] 04:19:21 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morning mvilleneuve 08:24:08 ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has joined #lisp 08:27:31 -!- elkng [~elkng@unaffiliated/elkng] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:30:05 kilon [~user@178.59.17.196] has joined #lisp 08:30:19 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.213.162] has joined #lisp 08:32:23 jasox [~jasox@178.239.26.136] has joined #lisp 08:32:55 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8BxfyYq5EI 08:35:00 Good morning. I've got a hunch I'm doing something suboptimal here, as I litter my code with "printfs" stating the time spent since the parent function was called. Probably spoiled by the ease of typing C-c C-t to trace a function with slime, I wonder how you easily instruct calls to print #'time information to *trace-output*. 08:37:22 vervic [~vervic@chello080109071009.14.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 08:38:31 chr: did you read the trace manual of your implementation yet? 08:38:40 -!- loktigon [~loktigon@c-98-202-2-109.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:38:47 chr: if not, you should. the last blog entry on netzhansa.blogspot.com has links. 08:39:05 chr: also consider advice, if trace does not do what you need. 08:39:09 jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has joined #lisp 08:39:34 loktigon [~loktigon@c-98-202-2-109.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:40:26 bjonnh [~bjonnh@147.210.71.83] has joined #lisp 08:42:00 I guess the faint memory of you blog post is what made me admit to using printfs. 08:42:30 i'll try to write more impressive in the future! 08:43:18 anaumov [~anaumov@opensuse/member/Alexander-Naumov] has joined #lisp 08:43:35 -!- vervic [~vervic@chello080109071009.14.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:49:14 splittist [d417faa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.23.250.166] has joined #lisp 08:49:18 morning 08:49:37 LispWorks trace has before- and after-hooks, and I've used them to print spent internal-real-time after the call. 08:50:35 c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-lvawpezsensgrban] has joined #lisp 08:54:45 chr: (ql:quickload :log4cl), (log:config :debug), (log:debug "blah") (log:expr var) 08:54:56 made exactly for this stuff 08:55:24 *maxm-* notes that if you don't toot your own horn, it remains untooted 08:56:20 maxm-: That's right. That's why coca cola invented advertisment, or something :) 08:57:09 -!- momo-reina [~user@aa20111001946f573ab4.userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:58:38 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-roltvthqzlzdzgwz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:58:45 -!- kilon [~user@178.59.17.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:59:02 -!- loktigon [~loktigon@c-98-202-2-109.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:59:25 treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has joined #lisp 09:00:21 loktigon [~loktigon@c-98-202-2-109.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:00:52 kpal [~kpal@janus-nat-128-240-225-120.ncl.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 09:01:55 kilon [~kvirc@178.59.17.196] has joined #lisp 09:04:12 chr: actually if you looking for (time) like information, you probably want to look for a profiler. I'm sure Lispworks has one. For SBCL its profiler is (require :sb-sprof) 09:04:22 useless-eater [~ah@fw.mrfylke.no] has joined #lisp 09:04:39 chr: it will run the code, and then give you list of functions where code spent time, sorted by amount of time spent in each function 09:05:41 Is there any videos online from lisp confs :/ ? 09:05:53 vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.41.10] has joined #lisp 09:08:29 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.112.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:08:41 jasox: I would expect someone like xach to collect them, ask him when hes on 09:09:14 -!- kilon [~kvirc@178.59.17.196] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 09:09:21 ok, tnx maxm- 09:11:10 untrusted [~user@stgt-5f719d0a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 09:11:10 kilon [~user@178.59.17.196] has joined #lisp 09:11:48 bas_ [~bas@89.184.179.185] has joined #lisp 09:11:49 -!- bas_ is now known as Skola 09:15:08 varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 09:15:26 scrimohsin [~vr9aw9j9h@gateway/tor-sasl/scrimohsin] has joined #lisp 09:20:51 -!- loktigon [~loktigon@c-98-202-2-109.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:21:39 maxm-: right. but often you don't want to litter your code with logging statements. 09:21:55 chr: thanks for the comment, published. 09:23:39 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:23:50 H4ns: in a perfect world yes, but eventually one has to face reality, and persuasive logging helps develop reliable software. I don't do it for every function, but in the middle tiers of functionality, I add (log:expr) for all parameters, or on major forks in code 09:25:14 an example function to draw some shape, I will not add any logging initially, but something like "call into C++ to retrieve complex time series" I'll (log:expr) all arguments, helps to debug later if something goes wrong 09:26:19 -!- vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.41.10] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:27:37 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.35.196] has joined #lisp 09:28:16 Every large commercially successful codebase I seen, had extensive debug logging, no matter how littered it made look their code.. It improves reliability and debug-ability 09:30:18 It can't possibly improve reliability. 09:31:35 Zhivago: you can't be serious. If you are faced with a screaming customer with a problem on a production website, and have 1 day to fix it, and you have absolutely no idea how the fuck problem happens, and can't reproduce locally 09:32:07 That's not reliability; that's debugging. 09:32:09 faced with situation above, ability to enable debug logging "at the site" where problem occurs is a godsend 09:32:25 maxm-: you are very much in love with your ways. 09:32:26 software becomes reliable through fixing bugs 09:32:40 bugs are found by debugging problems that user encounter 09:33:02 H4ns: its not "my ways" its industry ways 09:33:08 maxm-: right. sure. 09:33:18 I think that your definition of reliability is defective. 09:33:21 look at linux kernel, firefox, apache, or any other successful codebase, you'll find tons of debug logging 09:33:25 maxm-: consider reducing your output. you are doing your beliefs a bad service. 09:33:42 Logging is useful for post-mortem transcripts. 09:33:47 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.35.196] has quit [Quit: (save-lisp-and-die)] 09:33:53 H4ns: I find your argument of "you talk too much" unperseusive 09:33:53 But post-mortem transcripts don't make code more reliable. 09:34:02 logging is more fun wit contextl 09:34:13 They might help with making it less unreliable in the future, which is quite a different thing. 09:34:17 * with 09:34:18 H4ns: perhaps you should reduce its usage, since its not first time you used it 09:34:28 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.108.77] has joined #lisp 09:35:19 Personally, I take a different approach with logs, and use them to store the system state. 09:35:42 *ehu* seconds H4ns's request to maxm- 09:35:49 That way they're required to be useful and not just full of random crap. 09:36:26 Hans: Probably you should switch to "Perhaps you should gibber less?" 09:36:43 Zhivago: be my guest :) 09:36:53 -!- untrusted [~user@stgt-5f719d0a.pool.mediaWays.net] has left #lisp 09:40:05 *maxm-* wonders what did he said that was so contriversial 09:41:43 -!- saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0D31.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:42:34 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:44:33 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 09:47:37 -!- impulse32 [~impulse@65.92.153.91] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:49:09 maxm-: Have you read this article by Jason Fried: http://37signals.com/svn/posts/3124-give-it-five-minutes ? 09:49:54 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-196.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:50:17 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-196.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:50:40 That's a possibly OT URL, sorry H4ns. 09:51:12 chr: i'm just a grumpy person, not the channel police. 09:53:22 chr: I did.. Its hard to engage in thoughtful discussion, if "elders" tell me to STFU, when I don't agree with their technical opinion.. Yet a channel had 2 hour discussion yesterday about "what a meaning of character" is, and all the same "elders" participated like schoolchildren on sugar 09:54:51 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 09:55:25 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:58:09 loktigon [~loktigon@c-98-202-2-109.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:58:14 -!- kilon [~user@178.59.17.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:58:38 maxm-: Do you agree that "you can't be serious" could be offensive to Zhivago? I have never seem Zhivago being anything but serious here. His use and interpretation of terms has sharper edges than most, so it might be better to ask him to clarify. 09:59:49 /seem/seen/ 10:00:43 chr: I have been on this channel for some time, and learn the personalities a little bit. Zhivago is just as opinionated as me, if not so, and can take it, which I had taken into consideration when writing my comment 10:01:07 ferada [~ferada@dslb-088-069-121-056.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 10:01:43 maxm-: you've been annoying from the very beginning. and discussing how you have been mistreated or how you feel that you are right is just continuing that. 10:01:48 kilon [~kvirc@178.59.17.196] has joined #lisp 10:02:36 -!- KDr2 [~kdr2@123.112.70.206] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:05:08 H4ns: 1. I'm sorry that I'm annoying to you, its not intentional. 2. Perosnally I use /ignore on people I find annoying 3. I don't feel I'm being mistreated 4. I was responding to chr, and not yourself 10:05:30 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.37.249.190] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:05:46 ehu [~ehuels@109.37.249.190] has joined #lisp 10:06:19 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-ncxxlrncvssnrsgs] has joined #lisp 10:09:17 Anyway, this isn't going anywhere good, so if you wish to farther discuss it, message me privately, I won't respond to the channel about it anymore 10:11:23 -!- cafesofie [~user@ool-18e4c9a0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:12:31 MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-8-235-14.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 10:12:31 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-220-217.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 10:13:16 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-226-99.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:13:25 killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has joined #lisp 10:15:04 -!- tali713 [~tali713@c-75-72-193-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:16:18 -!- splittist 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spotty 10:54:48 Oh if found it, thanks Xach http://blip.tv/eclm 10:59:24 TheMue_ [~TheMue@p5DDF66A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:00:44 -!- TheMue [~TheMue@pC19F6455.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:00:45 -!- TheMue_ is now known as TheMue 11:00:53 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:01:45 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 11:02:23 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.37.249.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:05:20 -!- zulu_inuoe [~zulu_inuo@c-174-58-204-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:05:55 zulu_inuoe [~zulu_inuo@c-174-58-204-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:05:56 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:06:05 tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:10:08 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host 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11:28:47 jjkola [~jjkola@xdsl-83-150-83-66.nebulazone.fi] has joined #lisp 11:29:49 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-221-7.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:31:22 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:33:17 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 11:37:21 Shiryu [~user@mar92-5-82-225-147-167.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 11:41:32 hello there 11:43:15 project2501a [~lpt@109.171.130.211] has joined #lisp 11:43:59 hey guys. extremely studied question: what is up with the candelabra when entering the REPL? 11:44:23 i always thought the 7-candle candelabra to be a religious item 11:44:45 FUCK. fuck you autocorrect: s/studied/stupid/g 11:45:09 http://www.clisp.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-menorah-why 11:45:29 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-209-13.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 11:45:31 thanks! 11:49:25 ah. looks like i will have to wear the flame suit while i read the land of lisp book. man! the gold old days of 1995! 11:49:33 thanks maxm- 11:49:40 project2501a: also you could find an answer using google, like this for instance: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3230323663564535@naggum.net.html 11:50:45 jdz: oh, man, this is going to be awesome! :D 11:50:58 project2501a: what is? 11:51:16 programmers with political opinions. and they express them :D 11:51:21 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has joined #lisp 11:51:58 hmmmm that is #:Erik's interpretation of the clisp maintainer's motives. I wouldn't take those as gospel. 11:52:53 mal: it's not about the interperation of motives, but about confusing religion/politics with simple technical matters. 11:53:06 indeed. 11:53:14 Yuuhi [benni@p5483AA79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:53:30 -!- jasox [~jasox@178.239.26.136] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:53:48 solussd [~solussd@108.167.2.53] has joined #lisp 11:53:54 simple technical matters rarely stay simple or technical 11:54:20 *cough* "death is a complicated matter" *cough* 11:54:46 mal: because people are not satisfied with them being simble technical matters, and put some religion for some fun? 11:55:17 not that I want to start something, but take choosing licenses of open source projects :) 11:55:21 Group dynamics are important to people. 11:55:40 *project2501a* throws some more OT at the bulgarian 11:56:19 the internet turns out to be such a small place. 11:57:54 Please what is SBCL logo (I'm blind)? 11:58:30 alex_white [~Alexey@ppp85-141-146-97.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 11:58:31 we're talking about the clisp logo 11:58:38 -!- alex_white is now known as alexzin 11:59:04 mal: yes but for SBCL, do you know it? 11:59:04 there should be an Errata in the "Land of Lisp" book 11:59:29 caution: do not handle community with bare hands. flame-prone geeks inside 12:01:42 jds: by the way, thank you. i just picked up the "land of lisp" book two hours ago and i went over the first three chapters. i promise to use the google more once i get more acquainted with community resources :) 12:05:08 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:09:18 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 12:10:48 lhz [d572aaf7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.114.170.247] has joined #lisp 12:11:07 -!- FireFly [~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com] has quit [Changing host] 12:11:07 FireFly [~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly] has joined #lisp 12:11:44 stlifey [~stlifey@119.121.183.88] has joined #lisp 12:11:49 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@119.121.183.88] has quit [Client Quit] 12:12:59 In backqoute is the comma-argument special cased depending on type of comma-argument? eg `(foo ,bar) `(foo ,(if bar t nil)) 12:13:30 lhz: the comma-argument gets evaluated as it would outside of the backquote. 12:16:14 lhz: backquote is like quote except it accepts inner commas to evaluate som forms 12:16:23 ok so no special treatment if it's a list? 12:17:06 lhz: what do you mean by a list? 12:17:40 In my example the list is (if bar t nil) ie what is given to the comma operator 12:18:31 superflit_ [~superflit@65-128-43-228.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 12:18:49 lhz: as long as your list is a Lisp form you are OK 12:19:23 lhz: the result of the evaluation of that list will be included in the backquote as is 12:20:11 lhz: the backquote is there to let you easily write code that produces code 12:21:50 -!- superflit [~superflit@140.226.4.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:21:50 -!- superflit_ is now known as superflit 12:22:08 -!- dlowe [dlowe@digital.sanctuary.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:22:30 dlowe [dlowe@digital.sanctuary.org] has joined #lisp 12:22:43 -!- anthracite [anthracite@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:eaaa] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:23:09 tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has joined #lisp 12:23:54 -!- froggey [~froggey@unaffiliated/froggey] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:28:06 thanks, is there an macrolet that behaves like labels with respect to flet? 12:28:38 -!- alexzin [~Alexey@ppp85-141-146-97.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has left #lisp 12:30:32 froggey [~froggey@unaffiliated/froggey] has joined #lisp 12:31:25 lhz: thinking about your question makes my head explode in two ways 12:32:07 H4ns: one hemisphere in opposite direction? 12:32:20 H4ns: are there MCNA ZS3 patches headed my way? Or have the recent commits been to sync up in the other direction? 12:32:39 lhz: "he is doing it wrong" vs. "it can't possibly work" 12:32:48 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-135-243.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:33:33 Xach: not really, no. andy mentioned something about cloudfront that i am unaware of. we do have this "return a stream" change, but i'm not currently using it. maybe ask andy. 12:35:18 H4ns: i merged the return-a-stream change 12:35:37 -!- leo2007 [~leo@114.249.204.134] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.0.94.1] 12:37:11 anthracite [anthracite@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:eaaa] has joined #lisp 12:39:48 ikki [~ikki@200.95.163.27] has joined #lisp 12:42:33 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-35-180.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:43:22 -!- solussd [~solussd@108.167.2.53] has quit [Quit: solussd] 12:43:29 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:43:30 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 12:43:56 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 12:45:12 solussd_ [~solussd@108.167.2.53] has joined #lisp 12:46:38 here is the piece I'm working on: (macrolet ((x () ''((1 11) (2 22)))) (macrolet ((mk () `(progn (defun forw (y) (ecase y ,@(x))) (defun back (y) (ecase y ,@(loop for (a b) in (x) collect (list b a))))))) (mk))) (forw 1) (back 22) 12:47:15 lhz: please do not paste lisp code to the channel. use paste.lisp.org 12:47:32 H4ns: it's a one-liner 12:47:35 Particularly horrible code. 12:47:52 lhz: it is totally unreadable here. not sure if it would be better with indentation, though. 12:47:59 Zhivago: how would you rewrite that? 12:48:09 With indentation? 12:48:36 it's a one liner ;; haha 12:48:49 the reason it's impossible to read is because you crushed it all into one line 12:48:49 And then it should be readable enough to work out how to rewrite it to be less horrible. 12:49:53 well here it is http://paste.lisp.org/+2R1Z 12:50:00 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 12:50:28 lhz: now, maybe you want to describe what it is supposed to do? 12:52:11 H4ns: x is the data I only want to define once. Forw and back is lookup using either the key or the value in the data. 12:53:24 lhz: and you need macros to do that exactly why? 12:54:21 H4ns: the data is only used in those two functions 12:55:01 lhz: so? 12:55:04 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.128.21] has joined #lisp 12:55:16 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl22-78-41.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 12:55:20 lhz: I did not find any macrolet* in CLTL2 12:55:51 H4ns: well yes I could make it easier with putting the data in a defvar, but that gives the wrong impression the data is needed at runtime. 12:56:25 Shiryu: thanks for taking the time to look it up. 12:57:03 lhz: ok, so you need a defmacro around all that. 12:57:22 yes! 12:57:23 lhz: and you don't need macrolet at all. 12:58:02 KDr2 [~kdr2@114.243.244.6] has joined #lisp 12:59:40 H4ns: would that also simplify the current convoluted ,`@ notation? 12:59:54 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-135-243.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:00:41 Dalek_Baldwin1 [~Adium@71-84-33-22.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 13:01:00 lhz: i'd use one ,@ for the forward and one for the backward mapping. 13:02:45 Why the need for '' at x? I would really like a single qoute there. Then I would be happy. 13:03:21 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 13:03:22 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-33-22.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:03:39 http://paste.lisp.org/display/128375#1 13:03:44 untested 13:03:59 loktigon [~loktigon@c-98-202-2-109.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:04:01 and missing at least a quote 13:05:16 H4ns: yes after data. But that I can read and almost understand :) 13:05:26 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:05:34 -!- c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-lvawpezsensgrban] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:06:33 -!- useless-eater [~ah@fw.mrfylke.no] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:06:38 I asked this in #abcl too, but this channel is hugely more popular. Anyone know if there have been any efforts at a Dalvik back-end for ABCL? My searching about hasn't turned anything up. 13:08:12 Thanks for the help! I'll retract to my codechamber now. 13:08:14 I'd be equally happy with CCL or SBCL (or the like) natively on an Android. 13:10:27 -!- lhz [d572aaf7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.114.170.247] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:11:24 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:20:37 vervic [~vervic@chello080109071009.14.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 13:21:47 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:22:41 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 13:24:04 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:25:27 have not seen anyone interested. Unless you want to do it yourself, your best bet probably clisp, there was maemo port 13:26:40 dlowe! 13:26:41 The problem with Dalvik is the garbage collector afaik 13:26:43 Hm, and concurrently, someone just noted that ABCL's working in interpreted mode for Dalvik. 13:26:50 hm 13:26:57 *Xach* gets flashbacks to xof's (setf (format ...) ...) 13:26:57 Code generation was an issue, iirc. 13:27:10 Which is why it's in interpreted mode. 13:28:22 Chiba: Are you familiar with ASE? 13:29:24 Zhivago: I'm not. What is it? 13:29:49 Xach: o hai! 13:29:52 Xach: what's up? 13:30:08 dekuked [~user@static-98-164-147-69.axsne.net] has joined #lisp 13:31:10 SurlyFrog [~Adium@c-24-118-228-15.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:31:20 Ah. The name changed -- http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/ 13:31:29 Xach: I wouldn't mind a (setf (regex:scan ...) ...) 13:31:48 Runs stuff native and talks to the UI via an rpc bridge. 13:31:48 dlowe: printf looks great 13:32:20 Xach: oh. haha. yeah, I'm trying to get a bunch of my snippets into github 13:32:22 These days the native support is better for UI, so it might be less compelling. 13:32:32 -!- loktigon [~loktigon@c-98-202-2-109.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:32:37 Oh, I'm somewhat familiar with that. I'm principally interested in things that can be packaged as proper Android applications and hence included on the market. Once upon a time I enjoyed playing with PocketLisp. (Which wasn't a CL, but anyway...) 13:32:39 Xach: I can't imagine anyone actually wanting to use it, but hey, it's there 13:35:40 -!- fasta_ [1334259@xs8.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:38:20 stlifey [~stlifey@119.121.183.88] has joined #lisp 13:40:08 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@119.121.183.88] has quit [Client Quit] 13:40:36 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:41:37 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:43:06 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:43:42 the docs say that cl-oauth doesn't do oauth2. any known working implementations? 13:44:06 antgreen: that seems to be a frequent request 13:44:16 whoever hacks it will find glory 13:44:41 there's elisp implementation :-( 13:45:12 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:45:38 that is not glorious 13:45:40 gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:46:02 apparently this works: https://github.com/mtravers/waybacker/blob/master/src/oauth2-google.lisp 13:46:45 I will try it 13:47:40 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@100.Red-88-11-23.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:48:21 Xach: I wonder if it would be useful to have a site where requests for tools/libraries can be made and voted on, and people can volunteer to implement (or point out a library that already exists) 13:49:04 sykopomp: that could be cool 13:50:24 Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.22.190] has joined #lisp 13:50:33 sykopomp: with the load that that's site going to get, you'll need to use your webserver \o/ it fits witin the tasks of the reddit screencasts, but you'd probably need to force registration. 13:50:56 -!- DGASAU [~user@91.218.144.129] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:51:09 urandom__ [~user@p548A49EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:51:11 not that we can't already do that with cliki, but nice interfaces are nice. 13:51:15 Cliki is dog shit 13:51:22 madnificent: yeah, all 20 of us are really gonna hammer that poor web server. 13:51:24 Make something nice. 13:51:57 *sykopomp* fires up his Reddit Clone Engine 13:52:05 sykopomp: all my AI friends will vote too! 13:52:19 all 5 of them! That brings it all the way up to 25! 13:52:50 oh no sorry, i was talking about imaginary friends. i can imagine more than 5 people! though my doctor says i shouldn't call them friends anymore ;) 13:53:24 That doesn't seem like something very reddit-y to me. 13:53:44 sykopomp: How long does it take to clone reddit? 13:53:51 20 minutes *gg* 13:54:03 chr: it seems like a standard Hello World for My Favorite Web Framework 13:54:26 So? 13:55:50 chr: if you have all needed images and the stylesheet and know your framework, it shouldn't take you more than 15 minutes. if you want logins etc, it'll obviously be slightly larger. as always, it's greatly dependent on how good your toolchain is, and good you know it. 13:55:59 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 13:59:56 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:00:10 DGASAU [~user@91.218.144.129] has joined #lisp 14:02:00 you could just make a subreddit on, you know, reddit 14:03:16 adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:03:17 or just download the source 14:03:42 *Xach* doesn't see how this project is at all reddit-like 14:04:40 It might have lousy search? 14:04:43 Xach: well, the upvoting part is all I was referring to. I'd probably add discussion, too. 14:04:49 naryl [~weechat@31.186.100.179] has joined #lisp 14:04:51 pnathan [~Adium@76.178.164.157] has joined #lisp 14:04:59 Seriously, though, what is needed? 1. a list of packages with proposed extensions and 2. a list of topics somebody would like to see implemented. Then, of course, quick painless logins for people to comment or open new stuff. Optionally you can add some kind of "I will pay 100$ to whoever implements this feature 14:05:08 Discussions and votes, too, yes 14:05:21 so... subreddit? 14:06:49 The way this will be useful is if someone searches google for "oauth2 for common lisp" and gets back a result page titled "oauth2 for Common Lisp" with "No projects currently do this. 121 people have expressed interest in having it." or "The following three libraries support oauth2 for Common Lisp." 14:07:04 that doesn't seem like reddit to me. 14:07:33 I guess not 14:08:02 codeneeded.com is available 14:08:11 go make it happen! hero of the intertubes! 14:08:19 pjb: by use of ~< as in your hello world example. can you somehow parameterize the alignment by use of a variable (left or right). i can work around it by nesting ~< but it'd be cool (i don't find it in th clhs myself, but i didn't see the V either). 14:08:21 -!- xyxu2 [~xyxu@58.41.1.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:08:30 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 14:08:33 can I volunteer for this, or is anyone else already picking it up? :) 14:09:06 sykopomp: check codeneeded.com and find out if someone is already making it 14:11:53 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.92.36] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:12:13 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.94.123] has joined #lisp 14:13:50 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-196.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:14:36 true 14:14:43 sigh 14:14:54 mispaste, sorry. 14:15:00 MoALTz__ [~no@host-92-8-235-14.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 14:15:59 -!- dekuked [~user@static-98-164-147-69.axsne.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:17:43 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-8-235-14.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:19:08 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0D31.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 14:24:47 Kenjin [~josesanto@2.83.78.41] has joined #lisp 14:25:37 Quadrescence: no. No devices and less interesting than android 14:27:07 -!- Dalek_Baldwin1 [~Adium@71-84-33-22.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:37:25 momo-reina [~user@aa20111001946f573a95.userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:39:44 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:40:15 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@100.Red-88-11-23.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 14:40:26 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has joined #lisp 14:41:42 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 14:42:08 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:43:18 sykopomp: You better implement it in lisp, though :P 14:43:47 I hear Arc is a great language for web applications. 14:43:58 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 14:44:07 I'm scrolling back through my buffer, and I see that some time ago, a user said that the book Land of Lisp didn't explain that the term 'function' is, when used within the context of lisp, defined as it is in math: it's a mapping. This isn't true, clearly, as Land of Lisp is the only lisp book I've read. :) 14:44:38 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:44:38 Lisps are usually procedural languages. 14:45:01 So, they're usually procedures. 14:45:45 i've recently seen somebody being pointed to the chapter on this topic on the other LoL book -- Let over Lambda 14:46:15 this one: http://letoverlambda.com/index.cl/guest/chap5.html#sec_1 14:46:25 -!- kilon [~kvirc@178.59.17.196] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:46:28 splittist [b2c6684a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.198.104.74] has joined #lisp 14:46:34 afternoon 14:46:38 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A49EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:47:18 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.22.190] has quit [Quit: Kron awayyy!] 14:47:37 kilon [~kvirc@178.59.17.196] has joined #lisp 14:47:38 Sebboh: a lisp function isn't necessarily a mapping, so I'd say that the user is wrong 14:48:49 That's because lisp functions are normally procedures rather than functions. 14:48:56 Much as with C. 14:50:24 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 14:52:17 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-bjbsyuhigivxhjrr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:29 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.159.184] has joined #lisp 14:52:37 TDT [~user@50-83-108-248.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 14:54:03 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 14:54:04 dekuked [~user@static-98-164-147-69.axsne.net] has joined #lisp 14:54:49 I don't much like the term procedure, either. 14:55:02 Why not? 14:55:36 It describes proceding from one operation to another over time well enough. 14:56:13 Because it implies to me something done entirely for side-effects. If I do a procedure in real life, the implication is that the state of the world after is different than the state before 14:56:35 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:57:00 And callable or applyable sound awkward 14:57:31 *dlowe* doesn't expect to find a term that satisfies his irrational constraints. 14:58:46 Sounds like you're afflicted by pascalitis. 14:58:59 dabd [~dabd@static-bl4-245-43.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 14:59:07 Procedures in the real world have results. 14:59:13 They can also have consequences. 14:59:21 Seems like a good fit to me. 14:59:42 Consider 'a procedure for estimating a square root'. 15:00:12 In the real world, results and side-effects are the same 15:00:32 dekuked` [~user@static-98-164-147-69.axsne.net] has joined #lisp 15:00:39 routine is a decent term 15:00:46 Not at all, which is why we have these terms in the real world. 15:00:59 e.g., the result of a medication and side-effects. 15:01:15 no in the real world side-effects are called collateral damage....or...... 15:01:18 yes, but that refers to something different than in programming 15:01:20 lol 15:01:33 the result of a medication is a side-effect that is desired 15:01:48 -!- dekuked` [~user@static-98-164-147-69.axsne.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:08 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.128.21] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.0.94.1] 15:02:27 It's the main effect. Just as with procedures. 15:02:28 dekuked` [~user@static-98-164-147-69.axsne.net] has joined #lisp 15:02:33 asdf 15:02:44 -!- dekuked [~user@static-98-164-147-69.axsne.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:02:50 ha, sorry about that 15:05:09 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has joined #lisp 15:05:34 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:07:25 -!- dekuked` [~user@static-98-164-147-69.axsne.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:09:14 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:12:00 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.128.21] has joined #lisp 15:14:55 -!- TDT [~user@50-83-108-248.client.mchsi.com] has left #lisp 15:15:20 urandom__ [~user@p548A3720.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:16:25 -!- pnathan [~Adium@76.178.164.157] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:20:21 -!- hugod [~user@12.104.145.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:21:00 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:21:06 tensorpudding [~michael@99.32.60.20] has joined #lisp 15:22:40 -!- naryl [~weechat@31.186.100.179] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0] 15:23:13 -!- saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0D31.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:24:49 -!- benny [~benny@i577A8529.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:25:10 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-124-109.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 15:25:12 -!- momo-reina [~user@aa20111001946f573a95.userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26:30 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has joined #lisp 15:26:39 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:27:33 dekuked [~user@static-98-164-147-69.axsne.net] has joined #lisp 15:28:10 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 15:28:29 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 15:29:31 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:29:39 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-33-22.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 15:30:52 asdfhjkl [~bob@i5E879AE1.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 15:31:00 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:34:28 Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 15:35:50 -!- ferada [~ferada@dslb-088-069-121-056.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 15:36:49 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:37:03 -!- kilon [~kvirc@178.59.17.196] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:40:04 -!- KDr2 [~kdr2@114.243.244.6] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:40:05 dtw [dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 15:43:05 jlongster [~user@pool-173-53-25-16.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:43:05 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43:21 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has joined #lisp 15:44:44 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-196.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:44:51 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.213.162] has quit [Quit: Offline] 15:47:41 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has joined #lisp 15:48:26 -!- dabd [~dabd@static-bl4-245-43.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:48:31 m7w [~chatzilla@80.249.86.167] has joined #lisp 15:48:36 i'm sorry about asdf too :( 15:48:52 -!- Vivitron [~user@pool-173-48-170-228.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:49:36 :( asdf 15:49:50 -!- OliverUv [fuckident@valkyrie.underwares.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:27 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.159.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:50:44 jewel [~jewel@c-76-102-3-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:50:46 In the midst of all the asdf hate, it's worth remembering that no one has ever made a build system that doesn't suck. 15:51:49 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:51:56 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:53:41 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 15:54:09 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.180.73] has joined #lisp 15:57:32 wildnux [~wildnux@69.199.88.19] has joined #lisp 15:58:06 alek_b [~alek_b@99-10-120-63.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:58:25 hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:58:26 -!- ikki [~ikki@200.95.163.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:00:47 wonderin [~workflow@178-83-8-30.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:01:03 -!- BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:01:22 -!- solussd_ [~solussd@108.167.2.53] has quit [Quit: solussd_] 16:01:38 solussd [~solussd@108.167.2.53] has joined #lisp 16:02:45 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:04:38 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:04:49 what's wrong with asdf now? 16:05:24 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:05:28 oGMo: lots 16:06:18 BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:06:43 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-196.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:06:52 not very descriptive .. it's pretty straightforward, does what you commonly need easily, and fairly easily extensible. if you encounter a problem, fix it or write an extension? 16:06:58 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.180.73] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 16:07:15 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-196.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:07:31 compared to make, autotools, ant, or just a bunch of files with "require 'foo/bar'" in them 16:08:17 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has joined #lisp 16:08:49 But still 16:08:56 the name is terrible 16:09:07 -!- solussd [~solussd@108.167.2.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:09:40 -!- TheMue [~TheMue@p5DDF66A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: TheMue] 16:10:16 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A3720.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:26 heh ok the name isn't great 16:10:45 *maxm-* does not care about the name (as in name is fine). But code clarity could be better (there are comments in the code to the effect that new maintainers don't understand whats going on under the hood either, and just leaving it alone).. I tried hack a sequential loading thing (so it would compile then load each component in each subtree), but failed 16:11:24 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:11:33 -!- vervic [~vervic@chello080109071009.14.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:33 its in that set of packages that is just "good enough" so everyone gets by, and does not have serious incentive to write replacement 16:12:37 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:12:43 vervic [~vervic@chello080109071009.14.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 16:13:28 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:14:36 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:15:02 ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has joined #lisp 16:15:40 loke: the naming scheme is now a tradition ;) 16:19:43 p_l: is it? 16:19:52 p_l: what else is part of that tradition? 16:20:08 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-124-109.uwaterloo.ca] has quit 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leftoverlambda and discussion. 18:12:20 osa1 [~sinan@88.251.170.35] has joined #lisp 18:13:34 leftover lambda! now that would be a cool thing 18:13:34 Skola [~bas@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 18:13:56 feel free to take the lambda leftovers in the kitchen 18:13:56 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14:25 it seems doubly appropriate to say "lol" 18:14:30 adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:15:13 benny [~benny@i577A2C86.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 18:16:04 ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has joined #lisp 18:16:07 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:17:13 adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:25:25 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:26:45 -!- kilon [~kilon@ppp-94-64-184-61.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: Connection 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Hah. :) 18:29:39 -!- Vivitron [~user@pool-173-48-170-228.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:30:01 kilon_alios [~kilon@athedsl-320978.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 18:31:07 you also wrote it that way 18:31:08 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM1-115-6-120.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:31:39 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM1-115-6-120.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 18:32:31 loktigon [~loktigon@c-98-202-2-109.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:32:41 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:32:46 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-383926.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:33:15 how scandalous 18:35:26 -!- splittist [b2c6684a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.198.104.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:36:13 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM1-115-6-120.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:39:11 -!- kilon_alios is now known as kilon 18:39:46 Vivitron [~user@pool-173-48-170-228.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:40:30 -!- dabd [~dabd@static-bl4-245-43.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:40:32 -!- Skola [~bas@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:40:55 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:43:24 metaphysician [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 18:43:55 heow [~heow@208.72.159.219] has joined #lisp 18:44:07 Common Lisp standard draft available? 18:44:54 metaphysician: can you use verbs? 18:45:07 jasox [~jasox@178.239.26.136] has joined #lisp 18:45:27 ok. Is any free draft of Common Lisp standard available? 18:45:28 hagish [~hagish@p5DCBEF31.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:45:44 metaphysician: http://quimby.gnus.org/circus/cl/ 18:46:55 metaphysician: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Front/index.htm is available. if you want an actual copy of the standard, that's a different matter. 18:48:30 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128093243.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 18:48:48 metaphysician: yes, a free draft is available as tex sources and postscript files. 18:49:02 what df said. 18:49:40 LispNYC didn't make SOC this year. :-( 18:53:12 -!- dekuked [~user@static-98-164-147-69.axsne.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:53:41 -!- totzeit1 [~kirkwood@204.15.3.100] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:54:14 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:54:20 pity 18:56:17 tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.32.57.163] has joined #lisp 18:56:30 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-135-243.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:57:57 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-135-243.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:58:48 tensorpudding__ [~michael@99.23.127.158] has joined #lisp 18:59:32 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.32.60.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:01:13 Clojure/core made it though! 19:01:28 It is the new hotness 19:01:59 -!- tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.32.57.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:04:00 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.128.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:04:23 thanks for sharing the draft 19:05:04 -!- solussd_ [~solussd@rrcs-76-79-44-2.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:06:46 -!- metaphysician [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Quit: metaphysician] 19:08:10 *dlowe* might actually be able to make it to ILC this year 19:08:34 solussd [~solussd@rrcs-76-79-44-2.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:08:35 in Japan? 19:08:43 exciting! 19:08:43 Do it, Kyoto in the fall is incredible! 19:08:48 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:09:00 I'm gonna get jealous now :( 19:09:15 does anyone has a hack that indents flet/labels local functions in function-face in emacs? 19:10:10 *austinh* is also planning to attend ILC for the first time 19:11:52 Nice! 19:13:26 -!- hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: hydo] 19:14:14 Kyoto has great ryokan's, I'd suggest you stay in one for the "full experience" http://www.iheartjapan.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/ryokan1.jpg 19:14:47 ...or take the 200+ mph bullet-train into Tokyo 19:14:51 I am fortunate enough that the venue is one hour from my in-laws residence. 19:15:32 nice 19:18:09 hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:18:13 heow: I'll keep that in mind :) Thanks 19:18:33 All I know about Kyoto is from Persona 3 :p 19:19:34 austinh didn't mention it but it's one hour STRAIGHT DOWN! (his inlaws live in space) 19:19:43 hah 19:19:46 I don't like to brag. 19:20:33 ferada [~ferada@dslb-188-107-035-184.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 19:21:20 We will probably stay in a traditional inn in Kyoto at least one night, just for kicks. We did that once before and it was fantastic. 19:21:22 dlowe: you can also rent bicycles and go up to Monkey Park were you'll be surrounded by hundreds of wild-ish monkeys. 19:21:33 Monkey Park was the highlight of my trip. 19:21:34 vervic_ [~vervic@chello080109071009.14.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 19:22:00 it was indeed pretty cool. :-) 19:22:39 lispers and monkeys, what could go wrong? 19:22:42 Me at Monkey Park: http://austin.pettomato.com/monkey_park.jpg 19:23:39 awesome, which one is you? :-) 19:23:46 :) !!! 19:24:41 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.204] has joined #lisp 19:24:55 -!- Sebboh [~hobbes@unaffiliated/sebboh] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:25:06 haha 19:25:13 -!- vervic [~vervic@chello080109071009.14.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:25:13 -!- vervic_ is now known as vervic 19:25:44 -!- ferada [~ferada@dslb-188-107-035-184.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:26:00 ferada [~ferada@dslb-188-107-035-184.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 19:28:41 -!- dsabanin [~dsabanin@89.22.164.91] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:28:48 madnificent: all format specifier parameters can be parameterized with V. 19:29:35 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/22_c.htm 19:29:44 -!- osa1 [~sinan@88.251.170.35] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:29:46 "In place of a prefix parameter to a directive, V (or v) can be used. " 19:29:49 ikki [~ikki@65-r9-r1m.bb.itelcel.com] has joined #lisp 19:30:27 Hey, you can also use # to represent the number of remaining arguments. 19:30:28 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:31:03 (format t "~{~%~#<~>~A~}" '(a b c d)) 19:31:07 great! :-) 19:31:39 why not ~#t? 19:32:22 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-124-109.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:32:46 neato 19:34:34 dekuked [~user@static-98-164-147-69.axsne.net] has joined #lisp 19:34:38 -!- ASau [~user@128-68-14-203.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:35:13 ~T may output TABs 19:35:29 But otherwise, yes, ~#t can be nice too. 19:35:30 -!- ikki [~ikki@65-r9-r1m.bb.itelcel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:36:14 22.3.6.1 says "it will output spaces" 19:36:18 francogrex [~user@109.130.143.229] has joined #lisp 19:36:37 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 19:37:22 #\Tab is semi-standard 19:37:34 dlowe: right, I remembered wrongly. 19:37:37 Oops. The name is, anyway. 19:39:26 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has joined #lisp 19:39:36 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-135-243.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:39:36 -!- jasox [~jasox@178.239.26.136] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:40:31 tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:41:11 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-135-243.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:42:50 using ~#t is certainly easier to decipher 19:43:09 ASau [~user@95-26-216-211.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 19:43:23 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-135-243.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:25 I'm not sure what ~#<~> is 19:43:39 -!- vervic [~vervic@chello080109071009.14.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: vervic] 19:44:11 fish with motion lines 19:44:48 -!- bjonnh [~bjonnh@147.210.71.83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:38 -!- alek_b [~alek_b@99-10-120-63.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping 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Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@adsl-99-36-220-229.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:41:18 daniel [~daniel@p508291A7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:42:39 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128093243.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:43:26 cracauer [Adium@nat/google/x-thaqbbrpdnqpdrgb] has joined #lisp 21:43:36 -!- daniel___ [~daniel@p5B326963.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:44:27 wasn't there a library for computing diffs between trees ? 21:45:53 -!- wildnux [~wildnux@69.199.88.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:46:37 com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.list:tree-difference 21:47:33 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@80.249.86.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:53:50 -!- asvil [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:54:01 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-33-22.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 21:57:17 pjb: that's useless 21:58:26 I still use http://lemonodor.com/archives/001226.html (image possibly NSFW) 21:58:56 fe[nl]ix: depends on what you want. 21:59:16 wildnux [~wildnux@cpe-76-183-91-176.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:59:50 a diff-like output, just for trees not strings 22:01:24 for example, (tree-difference '(a b c) '(a c)) should tell me that «b» was removed 22:01:34 madnificent: you'd still have to separate them with comas: (format nil "~V,V<~>" arg1 arg2) 22:03:32 sellout: thanks, I'll try michaelw's thing 22:03:50 -!- rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:03:51 btw, what happened to him ? he's been gone for some time 22:03:54 -!- Arbamisto [~Arbamisto@192.188.108.71] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04:23 madnificent: cf. (let ((n (1+ (random 10))) (ch (code-char (+ 65 (random 24))))) (format nil "~V,,,V<~>" n ch)) 22:04:57 jasox [~jasox@178.239.26.136] has joined #lisp 22:05:36 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-33-22.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:06:13 MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-136-145.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 22:07:04 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:09:19 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c122-107-122-25.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:09:50 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 22:13:13 Can anyone please help, I am new to lisp. When I run SLIME, and type C-c C-c I get this http://pastie.org/3611227. tnx 22:14:50 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:16:24 jasox: did you C-c C-c the forms that define *small*, guess-my-number, and smaller? 22:16:37 You C-c C-k will compile and load the current buffer. 22:16:51 I will try it now 22:17:10 finally 22:17:17 Tnx you pkhuong :D 22:17:53 I almost give up. 22:18:15 albacker [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 22:18:15 -!- albacker [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:18:15 albacker [~eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has joined #lisp 22:22:49 X-Scale` [name@2001:470:1f14:135b::2] has joined #lisp 22:23:40 -!- Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:23:51 Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 22:25:59 christopher [~christoph@192.188.108.71] has joined #lisp 22:26:25 -!- christopher is now known as Guest41958 22:26:47 -!- Guest41958 [~christoph@192.188.108.71] has quit [Client Quit] 22:26:55 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-209-13.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28:18 Arbamisto [~Arbamisto@192.188.108.71] has joined #lisp 22:29:32 MrBusiness [~MrBusines@184.99.7.19] has joined #lisp 22:30:11 ace4016 [~ace4016@cpe-024-074-197-085.ec.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:32:57 pjb: yes, that's for the character, but that's not the at or colon modifier. i also don't see how it would work, as the at and colon aren't ordered. 22:33:19 Yes, there's no way to parameterize the at or colon. 22:33:30 ah, ok. thanks! 22:33:43 Either generate the format control string, or use ~// with additionnal parameters. 22:34:15 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@100.Red-88-11-23.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 22:36:40 So, quickproject. How do I get it ... into the REPL. What would I run, exactly? 22:36:44 The .asd? 22:37:04 you've been here how long, and you haven't loaded a package before? o.O 22:37:17 Sgeo: read Xach's blog it's explained there IIRC. 22:37:31 or is there more to quickproject than usual? 22:37:39 Thanks 22:38:04 Sgeo: pick up Quicklisp sharpish as well 22:38:18 a must have 22:38:27 Guthur, I have quicklisp 22:38:50 oh then you should be nearly there, hehe 22:39:30 read the instructions, probably best 22:45:32 pjb: i used ~[ to select the one i needed 22:47:00 Sgeo: (ql:quickload "quickproject") should do it, no? 22:47:24 sellout, that was not what I was confused about 22:47:32 Oh, I guess my question was unclear 22:47:42 ...severely unclear 22:48:13 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@ip98-169-80-239.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:48:27 when you do that you have 'got it, the .asd file' 22:48:45 -!- ngz [~user@22.220.67.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:46 and you can reload it anytime with the same form 22:49:20 the .asd file is buried away in the quicklisp directory 22:49:59 easy enough found if you so wish 22:49:59 Sgeo: Oh, the project you make with quickproject? You can load the .asd then quickload your project. But if you put the project in someplace already quickloadable (see ~/.config/common-lisp/source-registry.something or asdf:*central-registry*), then you don't need to load the .asd first. 22:50:34 sellout, thanks 22:50:38 or just symlink the project dir to quicklisp/local-projects 22:50:51 Right  local-projects. Forgot about that one. 22:59:59 -!- cracauer [Adium@nat/google/x-thaqbbrpdnqpdrgb] has left #lisp 23:00:52 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-136-145.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:02:12 hugod [~user@12.104.145.50] has joined #lisp 23:03:23 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 23:04:44 Is there a procedure that receives an array, subscripts and a new element and returns a new array with the new element at the subscripts position? 23:05:03 the " sign can't appear in the attribute's value of an xml tag, any picks on by what it would best be replaced? %22 perhaps? 23:05:26 initialize-instance :after argument lists have to include &key ? 23:05:30 didi: no, but you can easily define one based on alexandria:copy-array 23:06:08 Ralith: Hum, I see. Thank you. 23:06:42 madnificent: " 23:06:43 no? 23:06:45 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-196.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:58 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-196.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 23:07:03 Guthur: maybe better, yeah 23:07:27 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 23:07:39 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl22-78-41.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 23:08:56 I'm not sure % has that meaning in XML. 23:09:08 you're thinking of URLs. 23:10:33 phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 23:10:34 -!- phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 23:10:34 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 23:11:46 MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-118-122.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 23:12:14 -!- lclark [~user@76-206-204-119.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:12:46 -!- ASau [~user@95-26-216-211.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:12:57 -!- saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0C6E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:13:06 Ralith: " doesn't have meaning either i think. you shouldn't have such things in the attributes afaik (didn't check though) 23:13:10 ASau [~user@95-26-216-211.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 23:13:38 Ralith: but if it's not the standard, then " makes most sense. otherwise it probably is standard. 23:14:09 madnificent: it does have special meaning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_XML_and_HTML_character_entity_references 23:14:19 sorry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_XML_and_HTML_character_entity_references#Predefined_entities_in_XML 23:14:52 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-141-68.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:15:10 tensorpudding__ [~michael@99.56.174.28] has joined #lisp 23:15:26 though whether it should be in attribute values I am not sure 23:15:34 MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-2-116-145.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 23:16:11 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-118-122.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:17:08 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-135-243.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:17:54 Guthur: yes, that's was my concern 23:18:32 -!- tensorpudding_ [~michael@108.87.18.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:18:40 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-196.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:58 madnificent: looking at the spec it seems that entities in attribute values are fine 23:19:06 talks enough about them anyway 23:19:30 madnificent: if you ask on #xml you will likely get a definitive answer 23:20:02 It seems my readme on the heroku-buildback is causing some confusion. Is heroku config:add CL_IMPL={sbcl|ccl} unclear? 23:20:50 Kenjin: Nope. 23:21:47 is anyone tempted to keep the brackets in? or both implementations? :P 23:23:42 vsync: you around? 23:24:03 Kenjin: I can see accidentally copy/pasting it, but it should be pretty obvious to discover and fix. 23:25:28 sellout: it's just that someone was getting confused here the other day and I got one email with the same issue. 23:25:29 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 23:26:01 Kenjin: I think it would be clearer to write it separately 23:26:22 CL_IMPL=sbcl\n OR \nCL_IMPL=ccl 23:27:28 Xach: thanks. I'm all for clearness. 23:31:43 -!- solussd [~solussd@rrcs-76-79-44-2.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: solussd] 23:33:59 -!- flip215 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:34:24 flip215 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has joined #lisp 23:36:01 tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #lisp 23:38:57 rme [~rme@50.43.146.151] has joined #lisp 23:49:03 -!- RomyRomy [~stickycak@207.239.107.3] has quit [Quit: RomyRomy] 23:49:03 -!- stickycake [~stickycak@207.239.107.3] has quit [Quit: stickycake] 23:52:08 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.108.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:52:54 -!- hugod [~user@12.104.145.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:56:59 -!- albacker [~eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:57:48 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0C6E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 23:58:30 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-184-186.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 23:59:02 Kenjin: It is also pretty Common to provide one as a default and have the next one also in the file, commented out, i.e., CL_IMPL=sbcl\n#CL_IMPL=ccl 23:59:39 jake__ [~jake@63.249.57.43] has joined #lisp 23:59:42 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec]