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I might agree, but not for that reason ;) 00:25:58 haha 00:26:18 my ignore list is full of "ALL -except" entries, for the people whose JOINS/QUITS etc. I want to see 00:26:54 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:27:59 *maxm-* is against such rabid anti-tittism 00:28:44 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:28:50 -!- Xach has set mode -o Xach 00:28:55 dubellz [~tdubellz@freenode/staff/tdubellz] has joined #lisp 00:31:29 -!- kmcorbett [kmcorbett@clozure-9FE07BBF.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 00:31:58 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0E5A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 00:32:39 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:33:06 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 00:35:10 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:35:43 -!- thom_logn [~thom@pool-173-60-243-134.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:36:12 -!- kmcorbett [kmcorbett@clozure-9FE07BBF.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 00:37:41 kmcorbett_ [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 00:38:18 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:38:18 -!- kmcorbett_ is now known as kmcorbett 00:39:55 H4ns: is your copy of OSC good? 00:39:59 the original ist tot 00:40:31 Oh, fooey, he is at Champps! 00:42:19 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-72-79-213-12.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:42:19 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-72-79-213-12.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 00:42:19 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 00:43:21 you're just envious 00:44:00 -!- lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:44:02 I would love to be at Champps, that is true 00:44:15 Also in Toronto for Toronto Lispers 00:44:36 Instead I am in Portland for the Portland Lisp User Meeting 00:44:40 PLUM 00:45:52 Portland, Maine? 00:46:46 The very same 00:46:51 froggey [~froggey@unaffiliated/froggey] has joined #lisp 00:47:00 I am the only member, so meetings are quite easy to arrange 00:47:10 naming cities the same is like naming asdf systems the same 00:47:14 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quit] 00:47:32 this one is the Original and Best 00:48:27 lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #lisp 00:56:07 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 00:56:48 hefner [~hefner@c-69-255-57-56.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:58:16 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:02:53 wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 01:04:09 KDr2 [~kdr2@125.34.41.106] has joined #lisp 01:04:09 -!- kai_ [~kai@e179002224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:06:12 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-227.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:09:40 kai_ [~kai@f052102051.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 01:09:50 aramil [~nialo@66-87-2-11.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 01:10:06 -!- aramil is now known as nialo- 01:10:15 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 01:12:34 man asdf needs a fix to make it load stuff in the same order as its defined 01:12:57 "stuff"? 01:12:59 have you tried :serial t? 01:13:02 (:s 01:13:04 that 01:13:10 Xach: use case, with serial t compilation takes forever on large source base 01:13:29 trying to maintain nice set of modules, with depends-on 01:13:50 maxm-: compiling in the order it's defined and compiling as required by dependencies mutually exclusive, I think. 01:13:50 -!- wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:14:09 maxm-: do you have a concrete example where it is an issue? 01:14:10 but what happens, if you compile from scratch, without :serial t, and system defined as files a b c, if all 3 files are dirty, it will compile and load , then b then c 01:14:18 but if only c is dirty 01:14:31 it will try to compile c first, try to load it, then load a, then load b 01:14:57 so? 01:15:12 if c depends on a and b, you need to tell asdf that. 01:15:27 I understand I can add :depends-on to c (since it specializes on class defined in b, but its very hard to catch, since it you only catch it on restart, and loading a system with only some files dirty 01:15:51 that's why you're supposed to add dependencies as you create them, not as they cause problems :P 01:15:55 Ralith: principle of least surprise will be to process files sequentially 01:16:15 did you pass :least-surprise t? 01:16:20 lol 01:16:30 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:16:42 -!- emma is now known as em 01:16:44 -!- wildnux [~wildnux@cpe-76-183-81-208.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:16:45 I don't understand why reasonable suggestions get hostile reaction. Try maintaining large codebase and talk to me then 01:17:06 wildnux [~wildnux@cpe-76-183-81-208.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:17:53 you didn't make a case for it to be reasonable 01:18:43 -!- hugod [~user@modemcable171.160-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:18:55 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 01:19:02 maxm-: asdf has several non-least-surprising behaviors 01:19:20 maxm-: welcome to the janky world of lisp build systems (: 01:19:26 )-: 01:20:02 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.189.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 01:20:33 -!- Ralith [~ralith@static-209-139-215-92.gtcust.grouptelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:23:44 *maxm-* actually found a TODO item from a year ago to fix it 01:24:12 so its not first time this bitten me 01:25:32 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483AAA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:27:08 stassats`: its definitely reasonable from a practical standpoint. Its hard to maintain dependencies by hand due to nature of defmethods 01:27:36 you want to keep defmethods for same logical module together, yet they can specialize on classes defined all over the place. 01:27:38 i just don't understand what you're asking 01:27:45 if :serial t is not what you want 01:28:58 stassats`: very simple, if one has list of component LIST, current behaviour is to split LIST into dirty-components, and non-dirty-components, then compile and load dirty-components, then load non-dirty components 01:29:27 stassats`: I think it should check component list one by one sequentially, and if its dirty, compile and load it, and if its not dirty then simply load it 01:30:55 why not use depends-on then? 01:31:35 stassats`: because you end up specifying long depends-on lists for each practically file 01:32:04 but how will what you propose know what depends on what? 01:32:17 is it so unreasonable that if your component list is (a b c d ... z), that if you changed a and b, that it would compile and load a, then load b through y, then compile and load z? 01:32:38 coz currently it does compile and load a, compile and load z, then load b through y 01:33:32 stassats`: it does not have two, but you don't find my explanation above understandable, and logical? 01:33:39 it's a little hard to understand what you're talking about when your letters don't add up 01:34:18 yes, one can pedantically argue that one has to be hardcore, and manually specify these things, with your attitude nothing should ever be made easier, if there is manual way to do it 01:34:35 no, your description is incoherent, i have a hard time following it 01:35:06 *maxm-* is not sure if stassats trolling him to do explanation all over again, or if its indeed unclear 01:35:29 maxm-: I can't follow it either. 01:35:52 maxm-: well, one sentence you say it's "b", in another it turns out it actually is "z" 01:36:21 wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 01:37:01 Ok I will try again.. Imagine some ASDF system, with a component list of 26 elements, each component being in the form of (:file "a") (:file "b") and so on, with me so far? 01:37:23 the last component will be "z" 01:37:46 imagine such a system in a non-dirty state, where each FASL file is newer then its source file 01:38:14 when ASDF loads such a system, it will sequentially load a.fasl, then b.fasl and so on 01:38:43 but if you change the source files a.lisp and z.lisp, so they are newer then their corresponding FASL files 01:38:55 -!- DataLinkDroid [~David@1.154.122.112] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:39:50 -!- pokes_ is now known as pokes 01:39:54 what if b has a compile-time dependency on a? 01:39:58 and load the system again. ASDF will compile and load a.lisp, followed by z.lisp, then it will load b.fasl, followed by c.fasl up until y.fasl 01:40:51 I find above behavior (while technically correct), very surprising 01:41:46 and argue that in the situation I describe, a more desirable behavior from ASDF would be to compile/load "a.lisp" first, then load "b.fasl" through "y.fasl", then compile and load "z.lisp" 01:42:26 if above explanation is still unclear to you, then I'm pretty sure you just trolling me 01:43:35 yes, i understand it 01:43:47 and the solution i use is :serial t 01:44:27 my systems don't have 26 files and i use a real computer 01:45:48 stassats`: that solution while fixing the above situation becomes unreasonably slow with large codebase. Imagine if "z" has methods specializing on class defined in "a", but rest of the files do not depend on "a".. Yet every time you change "a", you have to wait 5 minutes for lots of un-needed files to be recompiled 01:46:24 i don't recompile my systems every half an hour either 01:47:27 although what you describe is reasonable, i don't perceive it as a real problem 01:47:55 so far yes, I'm adding :depends-on manually, but it quickly becoming a huge chore, since only way to catch above situation where you missed such a dependency, would be an algorithm of: 1. Make change to z.lisp, restart lisp, try to load system.. If it loads, change y.lisp, restart lisp, try to load system and so on 01:48:17 which would take 26 * 5 minutes, to verify that you had not missed a dependency 01:48:36 maxm-: I'm not that familiar with asdf's different behaviors. So if you omit :serial t it just loads fasls, but if you include it, it recompiles the source to fasl? 01:49:07 Xach: if you omit serial t, first it compiles and loads all dirty files, then it loads all the non-dirty ones 01:49:27 maxm-: and if you include it? 01:49:35 -!- wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:49:47 the it recompiles all files sequential 01:50:08 ok, thanks 01:50:35 then, ly 01:51:28 -!- rvirding [~chatzilla@c213-89-147-188.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120215223356]] 01:51:39 maxm-: have you tried doing your dance on CCL, it compiles and loads much faster 01:51:56 kanru` [~user@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 01:52:37 and you can always use slime to aid you, like who-X 01:53:21 stassats`: have not tried switching to CCL yet as I do lots of numerical stuff, and cl-cilk has sbcl dependencies (does CCL have compare-and-swap?) 01:53:58 i assume that you're not adding 26 files daily, so you only need to do add dependencies once 01:54:07 v0yager [~v0yager@bordm.com] has joined #lisp 01:54:19 stassats`: yes I been living with such workarounds for a long time.. Just saying that if ASDF behaved like any other build system in the world, it would have been so much easier 01:54:49 you would still need to add compile-time dependencies 01:55:30 v0yager_ [~v0yager@71-88-201-245.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 01:55:42 stassats`: well I seem to quickly end up with each of the files depending on 10 others, and I did many reorganizations to try to come up with a more reasonable split 01:56:43 XCVB solves it 01:56:45 (i guess) 01:56:52 stassats`: even with a minimal example, a system without :serial t, with two components A and B 01:57:04 and you could use poiu 01:57:16 you don't find it unreasonable that if you restart your lisp, then change B.lisp, then load the system, that your load order is B then A 01:57:32 rather then load A.fasl then compile and load B? 01:57:49 i don't care, i always use :serial t 01:58:15 my communication skills seems deteriorating, that it takes 5 pages to communicate seemingly such a trivial problem 01:58:27 have you tried asdf-dependency-grovel? 01:58:42 stassats`: no, I'll check it out 01:58:58 maxm-: you could write your own build script, instead of using asdf. 02:00:00 -!- v0yager [~v0yager@bordm.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:00:02 hefner: I guess so, but I'm pretty happy with asdf otherwise (v2.0 really fixed tons of stuff, and speeded it up a lot).. IMHO would be easier to fix asdf then to write entirely new one 02:01:20 your options a) send a patch b) become a maintainer of ASDF and rewrite it c) whine 02:02:00 yeah, but I'm not saying you should write an asdf replacement, I'm saying you should solve your real, immediate problem by writing a couple pages of code to compile your system 02:02:51 even pulling a Cavendish and patching ASDF locally would suffice 02:02:52 stassats`: I did not whine, I posted one line comment saying "wish asdf would do such and such more reasonably". 02:03:03 -!- kai_ [~kai@f052102051.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:03:24 rest came from trying to communicate to you that there is indeed a problem, since you insisted it was my imagination, or that its not a real problem 02:03:46 maxm-: Now you have some faulty memory. 02:04:05 Xach: in what way? 02:04:11 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:04:16 maxm-: Your characterization of the conversation does not reflect reality. 02:05:25 Xach: are you going to play, "I will not tell you, look it up yourself" game, or just explain your argument? 02:05:49 as in how it is faulty 02:06:03 I don't see much point, sorry. 02:07:30 Xach: if you can't plainly state your argument, then say nothing at all. 02:07:53 -!- Vicfred [~Futaba@189.143.79.99] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:07:55 -!- SegFaultAX|work [~mkbernard@173.228.45.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:08:13 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@205.233.83.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:08:19 sorry, #lisp is not a pissing contest 02:08:33 kai_ [~kai@f052102097.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 02:08:58 lemoinem [~swoog@205.233.80.214] has joined #lisp 02:09:35 gko [~gko@110-26-119-16.adsl.fetnet.net] has joined #lisp 02:10:03 -!- nialo- [~nialo@66-87-2-11.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:11:03 -!- lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:11:05 stassats`: i've made an observation relevant to Lisp topic, which is lisp development. you and Xach asked me to elaborate on it, I tried my best to explain what I meant, after which said "stop whining" 02:11:18 nialo- [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 02:11:35 ^^^ "after which you said" 02:11:38 you can move on 02:11:42 so can you 02:13:43 so can your mom!!! 02:20:46 -!- peccu1 [~peccu@ZU206142.ppp.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:28:06 -!- HaroBin [~Haro@pool-96-245-203-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 02:29:06 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has joined #lisp 02:30:32 -!- kai_ [~kai@f052102097.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:32:15 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c122-106-158-42.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 02:32:21 hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1279584440.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 02:35:56 peccu1 [~peccu@ZL196245.ppp.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 02:39:08 Vicfred [~Futaba@189.143.79.99] has joined #lisp 02:42:39 zulu_inuoe [~zulu_inuo@c-174-58-204-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:43:10 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 02:47:23 springz [~springz@216.24.205.54] has joined #lisp 02:47:57 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 02:48:30 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A45A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:51:19 -!- Modius` is now known as Modius 02:52:22 On Windows running SBCL 1.0.55.3 x64 I am having an issue when doing (ql:quickload :rfc2388) where the rfc2388.asd file has some weird characters for the author name in the rfc2388 system. Is this a bug I should report to quicklisp, or to rfc2388? 02:52:43 -!- tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:53:22 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.33.79] has joined #lisp 02:53:22 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.33.79] has quit [Changing host] 02:53:22 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 02:53:28 tessier [~treed@216.105.40.125] has joined #lisp 02:53:39 zulu_inuoe: they're not weird characters, it's UTF-8, I believe. 02:54:14 Well they're weird to me haha. Any way I can make my lisp not cry when it loads it? 02:54:18 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:54:26 *Xach* wonders how to do that on windows 02:54:32 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 02:55:05 I mean I can just .. change the author name to something else but that doesn't seem like the best solution by far 02:55:06 zulu_inuoe: What do you have for the value of sb-impl::*default-external-format* 02:55:07 ? 02:55:32 :CP1252 02:56:43 Ok. I think the hacky way is to set that variable's value to :UTF-8 02:56:44 maxm-: the only real issue was that A) people didn't know asdf in depth enough and B) that your initial explenation was a tad complex (or at least it felt so to me). but you make a valid point. personally, i think all files which depend on it should be recompiled, you may have compile-time effects. 02:57:17 zulu_inuoe: On Unix you set environment variables to control how that variable is initialized. I don't know how it works for Windows SBCL. 02:59:49 Xach: Any place I can get a little more informed about that variable? Like, will it affect my reading of ASCII files when I don't explicitly supply an :external-format to (open)? I'm not at all familiar with character stuff. Also, if you give me a link or something to the unix way I can maybe crawl my way to an answer? 03:00:14 zulu_inuoe: ASCII is a subset of UTF-8, it'll keep working 03:01:16 -!- tessier [~treed@216.105.40.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:01:57 tessier [~treed@216.105.40.125] has joined #lisp 03:03:09 dekuked [~k@pool-108-7-203-109.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:03:09 madnificent: Roger, thanks 03:05:05 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-teqjjprhqimmcfuu] has joined #lisp 03:05:18 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-130-146.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:05:25 -!- wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:08:32 zulu_inuoe: it's an issue in asdf which should find out the encoding used by the file and pass it as :external-format to LOAD or COMPILE 03:08:37 COMPILE-FILE. 03:09:44 pjb: Oh ok. So it's already a noted issue? Is it specific to windows? 03:10:22 what pjb just said is irrelevant 03:10:47 you just need to set the default locale to the right one 03:11:19 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:11:39 -!- v0yager_ [~v0yager@71-88-201-245.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:11:40 And which one would that be in a system where I grab files from the internet? 03:12:00 ddp [~ddp@cpe-75-85-147-17.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:12:01 -!- ddp [~ddp@cpe-75-85-147-17.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 03:12:10 the one with utf-8 as the encoding 03:12:42 *stassats* is booting windows on laptop to see how to change it 03:12:55 http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Change-the-system-locale ? 03:13:24 presumably, but knowing windows, i need to check it 03:13:47 *Phoodus* doesn't see any character encoding envvar on his vista installation 03:14:04 cbp` [~user@187.208.0.7] has joined #lisp 03:14:13 -!- tessier [~treed@216.105.40.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:14:25 the default external format is :cp1252 as well 03:15:01 stassats: Ignore that last link, that's for.. language 03:15:34 Unless I'm not understanding 03:16:12 The encoding of source files doesn't depend on the host computer, but on the encoding chosen by the programmer of that source file. Which in the era of the Internet means that you can use source files with various encodings in the same project. To wit: quicklisp! 03:16:20 that setting says "Current language for non-Unicode programs". Who knows if it thinks SBCL is a "Unicode program" or not 03:16:28 Or does Xach convert all the sources to utf-8? 03:17:03 All sources in the quicklisp dist are encoded in UTF-8. In a rare case or two they might have another encoding in a comment. 03:17:08 man, does windows suck at configurability 03:17:53 stassats: Is there any domain at which MS-Windows doesn't suck? It's made to suck. Mostly your money, but it does it so well, it sucks in general. 03:18:16 So it doesn't suck at sucking. 03:18:46 Then I guess I'll just add (setf sb-impl:*default-external-format* :UTF-8) to my init file and call it a day 03:18:50 one wonders where SBCL gets the :CP1252 code page from 03:18:53 erm, encoding 03:18:57 :: 03:19:01 dys` [~andreas@krlh-d9be7074.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 03:19:15 GetACP 03:19:35 changing language prompts to reboot the computer 03:20:02 tessier [~treed@216.105.40.125] has joined #lisp 03:20:17 :-) 03:20:21 -!- dubellz [~tdubellz@freenode/staff/tdubellz] has quit [Ping timeout: 620 seconds] 03:20:23 :-) :-) :-) 03:21:11 -!- dys [~andreas@krlh-5f71e5ee.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:21:12 LispWorks is throwing stray terpris out during terse quickloading. It destroys the alignment of my beautiful #\.s! 03:21:23 *Xach* wonders what triggers it 03:22:32 tdubz [~tdubellz@freenode/staff/tdubellz] has joined #lisp 03:23:20 Xach: Haha. By the way, I love those things, and I love Quicklisp. But mostly I love the . 03:23:40 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-2.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 03:23:47 -!- tdubz is now known as dubellz 03:24:20 Phoodus: "non-unicode" refers to translation used with non-unicode calls, not programs themselves 03:24:59 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 03:25:00 -!- dekuked [~k@pool-108-7-203-109.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: dekuked] 03:26:32 Windows NT (no one cares about 1.x-4.x ;)) uses UCS-2/UTF-16 internally, and locale is independent from the "language for non-unicode programs" (it will set it, but doesn't have to stay the same) 03:28:37 Characters and encodings are so meaningless and superfluous to me.. 03:29:12 Time to get educated. 03:29:50 The company I work for does a bunch of stuff for Israel and oh god I hope I never get put into the internationalization team 03:30:03 ok, changed HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet002\Control\Nls\CodePage\ACP, rebooting to see the effect 03:31:15 didn't work 03:31:27 somehow it reminds me of an old audit joke... "Day 1: checked if transmissions are encrypted - Yes (...) Day X: The transmissions weren't encrypted, it was EBCDIC" 03:32:10 ok, it should be currentcontrolset (perhaps) 03:33:25 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-130-146.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 03:34:03 stassats: This all seems like so much work. If there is -one- thing that my computer science program taught me, it'd be to be lazy 03:34:24 that's why i don't use windows 03:35:03 well, changing booted windows into recovery mode 03:35:17 tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has joined #lisp 03:35:51 stassats: Yea, but I have to deal with the cards I'm dealt, and this company is surgically attached to Windows 03:36:05 change the company 03:36:51 i wonder what will happen if i reboot it while it doing its "recovery thingy" 03:36:59 Hehe yea, I need to work up a bit though. I'm also planting lisp seeds wherever I can. Their build process renovation will be so lispy they won't even realize it 03:41:44 totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:45:37 "don't try this unless you know how to use a rescue disk and reg.exe" 03:45:48 i just found out it the hard way, oh well 03:47:25 i spent half an hour unsuccessfully trying to change the default encoding on windows (once bricking it), now, that's what i call user friendly 03:47:44 at least it recovered itself 03:49:47 attila_lendvai: thanks for the fix! 03:50:53 i should write a usb driver in Lisp for downloading data from garmin forerunner and never have to boot to windows 03:51:10 stassats: didn't nyef write something like that? 03:51:44 Xach: thanks for the report! 03:51:48 talking to usb is half a problem, knowing what to say is another 03:53:23 -!- kmcorbett [kmcorbett@clozure-9FE07BBF.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 03:54:26 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:55:19 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 03:55:51 http://www.openmirage.org/ <--- apparently OCaML people went into something slightly similar to SBCL-OS 03:55:52 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:55:59 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 03:56:07 something non-existent? 03:56:46 sbcl should totally have a --locale key 03:57:57 stassats: well, something that nyef started then abandoned, but it seems they are going strong 03:58:02 alunihil [~chatzilla@111-252-220-148.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 03:59:07 -!- kmcorbett [kmcorbett@clozure-9FE07BBF.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 03:59:28 p_l: my feature request: easy default encoding configuration 03:59:49 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@205.233.80.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:59:55 stassats: no time available 04:00:39 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:00:45 lemoinem [~swoog@205.233.81.207] has joined #lisp 04:02:02 p_l: for openmirage 04:02:11 (not for you) 04:02:14 -!- Vicfred [~Futaba@189.143.79.99] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:02:51 heh 04:03:19 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-252-116.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 04:04:37 -!- hefner [~hefner@c-69-255-57-56.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:05:51 -!- Vivitron [~user@pool-173-48-170-228.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:07:31 is there a way to run sbcl with glibc-2.14 located somewhere else then /lib64 or /lib ? 04:07:47 LB_LIBRARY_PATH 04:07:52 ah 04:07:58 ok thank you 04:08:38 cause when i put that all my binaries are linked globally to glib-2.14.......which is .......not good 04:09:15 you can recompile your SBCL for your ancient glibc 04:09:23 i use the binary 04:09:35 not my own compiled 04:09:37 that's why 04:10:00 but you can put files to /lib ? 04:10:06 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 04:10:28 which file where ? 04:10:36 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:10:41 kmcorbett_ [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 04:10:55 i have glibc somewhere else not in /lib nor in /lib64 04:11:02 i mean the new one 04:11:30 so what stops you from compiling sbcl from source? 04:11:37 well i hope LD_LIBRARY_PATH will do.... 04:11:47 i don't want to recompile now 04:13:22 Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.22.190] has joined #lisp 04:15:31 -!- kmcorbett_ [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:16:48 -!- Kron [~Kron@69.166.22.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:22:33 -!- saschakb 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-!- Skola [~bas@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 07:45:19 dan64 [~dan64@dannyadam.com] has joined #lisp 07:45:19 -!- dan64 [~dan64@dannyadam.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 07:45:49 dan64 [~dan64@dannyadam.com] has joined #lisp 07:47:35 -!- EarlGray^ is now known as EarlGray 07:48:02 joekarma [~joekarma@S0106602ad090cd68.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 07:49:07 totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:49:22 xan__ [~xan@80.174.78.154.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 07:49:30 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 07:49:31 Can anyone suggest a way to cut down on redundant accessor/initarg definitions in defclass forms? My far from ideal "best shot" is that way -> http://paste.lisp.org/display/128183 07:50:34 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.189.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:50:50 jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has joined #lisp 07:51:42 joekarma, I'm a Lisp newbie, but I'm wondering if you could use macrolet 07:51:56 Make simple-slot be a macro within a with-simple-slots form 07:52:40 Hmm, but defclass wouldn't cause expansion of the macro, would it? 07:52:42 joekarma: defclass* may be of interest 07:53:41 -!- Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-16-175.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:54:40 Sgeo_: yes, the expansion of the macro within other macros is the problem... would be cool if at the beginning of my file I could do something like (macroexpand-these-first '(simple-slots)) 07:54:57 Ralith: thanks, I'll look into it 07:55:53 Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-16-175.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 07:59:09 -!- Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-16-175.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:01:34 -!- wildnux [~wildnux@cpe-76-183-81-208.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 08:02:38 TheMue [~TheMue@p5DDF4F50.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 08:05:09 wildnux [~wildnux@cpe-76-183-81-208.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 08:05:42 kleppari_ [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 08:06:25 Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-16-175.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 08:06:29 teggi [~teggi@113.172.47.199] has joined #lisp 08:07:19 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:07:59 -!- spacefrogg^ is now known as spacefrogg 08:08:21 uwjweq [~jeyisu@HSI-KBW-046-005-177-112.hsi8.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 08:08:31 ehu [~ehuels@109.32.127.18] has joined #lisp 08:08:58 Ralith: good to see it's available through ql. A quickload is certainly easier than writing everything myself, but I'm wondering if there's a way to accomplish this *without* wrapping the defclass call or renaming the macro (although I do see why this would tend to break things). I like the idea of storing the slot expansion forms locally with macrolet, Sgeo_. 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to "interrupt thread" 09:41:08 bordeaux threads provides it, but add the following: "This may not be a good idea if THREAD is holding locks or doing anything important." 09:41:27 "anything important" seems pretty vague to me 09:42:06 poking threads from the outside also does not seem like a very good thing to do 09:43:33 I juste wanted to avoid doing anything more complicated juste to read a few vars, but if it's necessary, I'll do it :) 09:44:37 I suppose the slime repl cannot "switch threads" as gdb can do 09:45:10 thank you anyway 09:45:37 galdor: why do you suppose that? 09:46:04 -!- nauar [~nauar@ip235200.bcn.altecom.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 09:46:10 because I never heard anything about it 09:46:11 galdor: have you tried C-c C-x t? 09:46:11 -!- snits [~snits@75-167-2-163.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:46:26 yep, it lists threads 09:46:28 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset 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12:46:12 galdor: I use (interrupt-thread thread (lambda () *dynamic-binding*)) 12:47:08 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.235.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:47:13 galdor: actually hold on, its a bit more complex as you need to return a value, let me look it up.. I have (in-stump-thread) macro that evaluates form inside of stumpwm X thread, so I can do xlib ops 12:49:02 galdor: http://paste.lisp.org/display/128191 adapt as needed to your environment 12:49:56 nice! 12:49:57 thank you 12:50:57 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-227.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:52:16 osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has joined #lisp 12:53:49 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:54:21 -!- kilon [~user@178.59.17.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:54:42 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-154-119.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: brb] 12:59:00 MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-233-193.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 12:59:24 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:00:00 -!- asvil [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:00:38 -!- BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:00:55 abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has joined #lisp 13:01:50 BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has joined #lisp 13:02:17 -!- yakov_ [~yakov@77.72.122.210] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:04:09 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 13:05:32 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 13:08:50 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:09:06 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 13:09:08 gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:11:30 kpal [~kpal@janus-nat-128-240-225-120.ncl.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 13:12:30 slightly OT, but might be of interest: SCSH compiles nicely on 64bit linux if you have a proper multilib system 13:13:47 Enerccio [~enerccio@158.194.169.130] has joined #lisp 13:13:52 hello 13:14:05 can loop have no variable to loop on? 13:14:27 Yes. 13:14:30 Enerccio: yes. (loop repeat 42 ...) 13:14:50 or simple loop, which is just (loop ) 13:15:12 I had this in mind 13:15:23 (loop while (= (mod minutes 60) 0) do /... 13:15:25 *(... 13:17:46 Enerccio: that'll do it 13:18:35 *maxm-* points at (:shadowing-import-from :cl-emacs-if :while) 13:18:44 for emacs style (while) loop 13:19:24 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.235.228] has joined #lisp 13:23:44 earlier someone was complaining about spurious "terpri" from somewhere, I'm also seeing this. It has something to do with pretty printer, as I only see them when an object is printed on the right side of the screen, that spawns several lines 13:24:27 somewhere in the guts of sbcl pretty printer, or in slime gray stream wrapper (terpri) has a forgotten stream argument 13:24:47 I have no trouble with SBCL, only LispWorks. 13:24:53 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@116.19.141.78] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 13:24:59 I was the one complaining yesterday. 13:25:25 nanoc [~conanhome@201-251-62-201.static.speedy.com.ar] has joined #lisp 13:27:05 oh, may be a different problem. Mine looks like this http://i.imgur.com/2xMDz.png and goes away if print-pretty is off 13:27:38 mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-luneymgliyzupyue] has joined #lisp 13:28:27 That seems to be a fairly typical practice, treating spaces in #<...> as breakable and wrapping & indenting to the < column. 13:28:34 I've seen it in AllegroCL too. 13:28:45 Makes things pretty ugly 13:28:53 Oh, the irony! 13:28:54 *maxm-* wondering if there is a format directive for "conditional newline" only to be printed if current column is > value 13:29:17 maxm-: there are electrical newlines in clisp. 13:29:17 so I can insert it between expressions in the format string that (log:expr expr1 expr2) generates 13:29:19 ~. IIRC. 13:29:38 pjb: thanks let me expiriment 13:31:34 -!- osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:31:51 *maxm-* remember reading about it in clct2 format chapter, but for the life of me can't find it now.. ~. not there in sbcl 13:32:56 -!- jjkola_work [c064748e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.116.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:37:04 maxm-: I said in clisp! 13:37:56 pjb: I understand, tried it in a hope maybe sbcl had it too.. Trying to find a portable way to do it, reading pretty printer chapter is cltl2 now 13:43:23 -!- ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:46:25 ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #lisp 13:47:29 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.1.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:48:37 kilon [~user@178.59.17.196] has joined #lisp 13:52:56 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM1-114-157-108.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 13:58:12 -!- Enerccio [~enerccio@158.194.169.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:58:18 maxm-: are you sure the newline is not caused by a specialised method on PRINT-OBJECT? 13:58:24 asvil [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has joined #lisp 13:58:44 jdz: I had seen it on built-in objects such as conditions, but good point 13:58:50 SurlyFrog [~Adium@c-24-118-228-15.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:59:24 *maxm-* is reading chapter about ~< ~:> holy cows, format is even weirder then I thought...Call function. User-defined functions can be called from within a format string by using the directive ~/name/ 13:59:36 *Xach* uses ~// pretty frequently 13:59:46 *Xach* should write a Lisp Tip about it! 14:00:32 you should, I don't know about it ! 14:00:49 (not yet though) 14:01:48 osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has joined #lisp 14:02:56 rme [~rme@50.43.184.114] has joined #lisp 14:07:40 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-227.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:08:19 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 14:08:36 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-227.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:10:28 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 14:10:37 ok found a way to do it.. If i print each value as (format t "~<~%~:;tmp1=~s~> ~<~%~:;tmp2=~s~> ..." tmp1 tmp2) it outputs conditional newline if printing the next segment results in longer then stream width 14:11:47 jjkola_work [c064748e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.116.142] has joined #lisp 14:13:38 but still kind of ugly, I want it to wrap to the column 1st expression start is 14:15:42 tensorpudding [~michael@99.32.58.205] has joined #lisp 14:16:09 rme: Have the app store sales been rolling in? 14:17:21 -!- tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:18:29 Xach: Let's just say that I'm not going to be able to retire to the south of France just yet. 14:18:55 paris is still pretty nice 14:18:59 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-252-116.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 14:22:21 *maxm-* did a brief stint as shareware author, and unfortunately conversion rate is very low, unless you cripple functionality by having a nag screen or similar bad thing 14:22:55 -!- Skola [~bas@89.184.179.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:23:03 why would everybody not want an application that would let them have the picture of their cat on the screen at all times is beyond me 14:23:25 rme: i have an idea for your next app, which would sell a lot better 14:23:55 One to show the picture of your dog at all times? 14:23:56 rme: it should work the same as the current one, except it would allow to put the pictures on other people's screens! 14:24:04 finally got it right, this may be old news to oldtimers but this is pretty cool IMHO http://i.imgur.com/KEZo4.png 14:24:14 *maxm-* gonna convert (log:expr) to use that 14:31:26 maxm-: looks like you want to move the initial space before ~;. 14:32:09 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:35:09 arrdem [~arrdem@europa.icmb.utexas.edu] has joined #lisp 14:37:15 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 14:37:44 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM1-114-157-108.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:38:15 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM1-114-157-108.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:42:43 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM1-114-157-108.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:43:05 yakov_ [~yakov@ip-83-149-1-215.nwgsm.ru] has joined #lisp 14:44:04 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.219.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:48:53 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-227.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:49:36 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-227.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:50:00 -!- osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:50:16 osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has joined #lisp 14:50:16 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.159.184] has joined #lisp 14:50:45 -!- KDr2 [~kdr2@123.120.159.153] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51:13 dtw [dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 14:51:19 -!- osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:51:32 osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has joined #lisp 14:52:29 optikalmouse [~user@76.9.199.178] has joined #lisp 14:52:37 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129250056.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:55:46 tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has joined #lisp 14:55:54 whats more natural when you want to print = i like the operator on the next line. 14:56:51 Harag [~phil@iburst-41-213-89-180.iburst.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:58:56 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM1-114-157-108.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:01:36 fAz4 [~amir@95.38.52.65] has joined #lisp 15:05:50 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0F1E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 15:12:01 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.159.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:12:18 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM1-114-157-108.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:12:32 Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #lisp 15:12:51 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM1-114-157-108.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:16:35 -!- osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:16:40 ,o/ 15:16:46 osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has joined #lisp 15:17:50 optikalmouse: how'd it go? 15:18:00 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM1-114-157-108.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:18:00 H4ns: same question to you 15:18:33 Xach: "it"? 15:19:10 Champpps 15:19:26 -!- lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:19:26 Xach: it was good, met Fade heh 15:20:10 Xach: mostly an mcna meeting with one guy interested in lisp, but not doing it. 15:20:20 Xach: so *meh* 15:21:17 heh 15:21:24 dekuked [~user@static-98-164-147-69.axsne.net] has joined #lisp 15:21:44 aceluck [~aceluck@175.142.141.113] has joined #lisp 15:23:50 hefner [~hefner@c-69-255-57-56.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:24:32 ThomasH [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has joined #lisp 15:24:39 Greetings lispers 15:25:17 -!- osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:30:17 Patterngazer_ [~Patternga@89.146.13.124] has joined #lisp 15:31:09 stlifey [~stlifey@116.19.141.78] has joined #lisp 15:31:09 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@116.19.141.78] has quit [Client Quit] 15:31:28 stlifey [~stlifey@116.19.141.78] has joined #lisp 15:31:43 quit 15:31:48 :quit 15:31:53 -!- billyr [97976d0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.151.109.15] has left #lisp 15:33:57 heh 15:34:07 never gets old when people type in commands into IRC 15:35:30 :quit 15:35:35 nope nothing 15:35:40 :D 15:35:41 ls -alt 15:36:17 -!- blandest [~blandest@ip4-85-204-33-242.euroweb.ro] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:37:11 it _does_ get old very quickly 15:37:22 optikalmouse: Were there more than two? 15:40:26 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has joined #lisp 15:40:39 Xach: ? 15:41:24 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@116.19.141.78] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 15:41:31 stlifey [~stlifey@116.19.141.78] has joined #lisp 15:41:45 optikalmouse: at the meeting 15:42:16 Xach: I'd say around 8? 15:42:22 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.78.135] has joined #lisp 15:42:22 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.78.135] has quit [Changing host] 15:42:22 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:42:47 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@116.19.141.78] has quit [Client Quit] 15:42:58 stlifey [~stlifey@116.19.141.78] has joined #lisp 15:43:57 what's todays practice of using asdf with quicklisp? 15:44:24 is there a way to tell asdf/quicklisp to automagically quickload :depends-on systems? 15:44:29 -!- alunihil [~chatzilla@111-252-220-148.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 15:46:06 yakov_: quickload does that. 15:46:07 yakov_: it does that 15:46:10 yakov_: I don't understand your question. Mixing quicklisp managed systems with systems managed solely with ASDF is transparent. 15:46:32 ThomasH: I think the issue is when using asdf:load-system to load, uninstalled quicklisp systems are not automatically installed. 15:46:41 ok.. i have .asd for my system and want to automagically quickload the dependecies.. 15:46:42 That is why I almost exclusively load things with ql:quickload. 15:46:44 thanks guys! 15:46:45 Xach: and am glad it works like that 15:46:54 Xach, exactly! 15:46:58 s/am/i'm/ 15:47:08 *yakov_* never tried quickload on his own systems :-) 15:47:09 is there a way to make slime's ,l use ql:quickload? 15:47:16 -!- arrdem [~arrdem@europa.icmb.utexas.edu] has left #lisp 15:47:21 yakov_: So, the easiest thing to do is use ql:quickload instead of asdf:load-system. 15:47:25 yakov_: does that work ok for you? 15:47:37 Xach, testing.. 15:47:44 Ah, ok. Yes, I use quicklisp unless it's my own custom system or I'm interested in tracking a different version than the one in QL. 15:48:01 I use quickload for my own custom systems too. 15:48:10 H4ns: redefine it 15:48:12 And for locally tracked systems. 15:48:26 Xach, yeah, cool. works for me! :-0 15:48:28 :-) 15:48:34 hooray 15:48:34 stassats: i was looking for the psychic way to do it. 15:48:37 quicklisp is awesome ;-) 15:49:00 H4ns: but the only difference will be suppressed output 15:49:10 Xach: Baby steps, I'll get to that point when I have some free time. 15:49:13 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 11.0/20120228210006]] 15:49:29 stassats: no, the difference will be that dependencies are automatically quickloaded if i followed this discussion correctly. 15:50:22 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-227.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:50:50 you would need to load them only once 15:51:27 one time too many 15:51:52 ql:quickload loads the library and downloads/installs everything quicklisp can't find on your local system, compiles it and suppresses output whilst doing so. load-op loads what you have and shows compilation notes and whatnot. 15:52:44 Xach: is there "download everything" command? 15:53:39 stassats: not as terse as that 15:53:53 ql-dist:(map nil 'ensure-installed (provided-systems t)) in sbcl 15:54:02 (or does that require ::?) 15:54:03 Xach: two colons. 15:54:17 :: ~= in-package. 15:54:20 ok 15:54:45 That will cost me one penny each time you do it! Please be gentle! 15:55:02 Every five times is one fewer computer I can afford 15:56:17 ninor [~ninor@unaffiliated/ninor] has joined #lisp 15:56:18 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:18 re 15:56:49 i just read lisp returns a value, and potentially multiple values. does this mean every return value is a list, and that it can contain either a single value or multiple? 15:57:00 or do you return a single value OR array, or? 15:57:13 (i only know php/ruby/objc/and currently learning C) 15:57:14 ninor: no. they are not put into a data structure. 15:57:21 whoa 15:57:25 how's that possible? 15:57:26 ninor: no. if you want to access multiple values, you need to explicitly access them 15:57:44 can i see some example code of a single return value vs multiple please? 15:57:49 ninor: you don't actually see that it returns multiple values. if you just use the value, the first value will be used (just like in a normal language, it's transparent). however, if a function yields more than one value, you can request the other values explicitly. 15:58:00 ninor: do you have a Common Lisp environment up and running? 15:58:07 no 15:58:10 madnificent, whoa 15:58:21 that's very... natural 15:58:23 ninor: It will be easier for you to see if you get one. I'll wait! 15:58:32 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:58:37 thanks for your /suggestion/. 15:58:47 ninor: (defun foo () (values 1 2)) (+ (foo) 2) yields 3. however (multiple-value-list (foo)) will yield a list with 1 and 2 in it. 15:59:05 erm 15:59:31 ninor: install a lisp environment, i thought you had one. it'll make sense if you try it! (seriously). also, you'll start hating languages that don't have the feature. 15:59:53 i'm not going through the effort if i can't even see a single benefit of the lang beforehand 15:59:59 i'm sorry, too much technology suck 16:00:13 heh 16:00:19 ninor: ok. good bye. 16:01:01 yea, definitely a community i'd want to join 16:01:03 -!- ninor [~ninor@unaffiliated/ninor] has left #lisp 16:01:34 :| 16:02:03 *Xach* tries to find which section describes multiple values, fails 16:02:07 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 16:02:53 Xach: not http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/03_ag.htm ? 16:03:08 -!- kilon [~user@178.59.17.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03:16 chr`: thanks 16:03:36 *Xach* got hung up on looking for "Multiple" 16:03:38 ninor: read the paper of PG about BLUB and realize that that may not be the best option :) 16:03:49 madnificent: he is gone. 16:04:02 H4ns: but but I had a laggy connection :( 16:04:24 madnificent: you can always try to /msg him and convince him 16:05:16 yeah, maybe that way he'll never come by again 16:05:18 win! 16:06:11 or you could just go write some lisp .. if any of the well-written advocacy pieces haven't convinced someone to even do a simple install ... 16:06:26 H4ns: compulsive behavior is making me do that now :( 16:06:30 That was the strangest exchange I've seen in a while. States that it's "very natural", then decides it's too much trouble. 16:07:37 *Xach* waits for the scathing blog post 16:09:03 Flawed criteria, too. Nearly every language has at least 1 benefit to its use. 16:09:54 my sarcasmeter is still trying to process "yea, definitely a community i'd want to join" 16:10:15 another lost customer, no bonuses this month! 16:10:40 Dammit! I already put my deposit down on a pool. 16:12:54 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@static.146.73.9.176.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:13:23 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@116.19.141.78] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 16:13:50 madnificent [~madnifice@static.146.73.9.176.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lisp 16:14:12 stlifey [~stlifey@116.19.141.78] has joined #lisp 16:15:13 -!- fAz4 [~amir@95.38.52.65] has left #lisp 16:15:37 m7w [~chatzilla@80.249.86.125] has joined #lisp 16:16:11 -!- galiley [~user@46-47-94-53.sf.ddns.bulsat.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:16:17 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-teyncmlchbluxrha] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:16:17 oGMo: i think the issue is that people don't read everything anymore. 16:16:25 galiley [~user@46-47-94-53.sf.ddns.bulsat.com] has joined #lisp 16:17:44 madnificent: or understand, perhaps; lisp you have to experience to some extent, though 16:18:36 if "you can recompile, debug, and profile parts of your code without restarting it" doesn't at least make you check it out, you're not ready 16:19:21 hardly worth the effort of tracking down a working IBM 704 or PDP-10 just to play with some old dead language 16:19:29 oGMo: BLUB, the article that made me realize i really did have to check out things i don't know. 16:19:36 hefner: it's funny 'cause it's true 16:19:44 blub? 16:20:30 paul graham's fictive programming language which indicated that you can't tell people that the features they're missing are necessary. 16:20:47 oh, ah 16:21:55 bjonnh [~bjonnh@147.210.71.83] has joined #lisp 16:22:55 well, programming language features aren't always features. this was a big thing with ruby .. it has nothing particularly distinctive, but it's more than the sum of its parts 16:24:30 -!- nauar [~nauar@ip235200.bcn.altecom.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:26:35 madnificent: you won't be able to do anything if you want to check every new fad 16:26:35 -!- greaver [~jo@41.138.11.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:26:56 stassats: lisp had enough of them for me to consider it :) 16:28:44 did pg talk only about lisp? 16:29:15 pg talks about many things, but programming language wise, i can't recall something different than lisp variants 16:30:46 no, in this "blub thing" essay 16:31:14 ah, he just said that lisp is at the tip of expressivity. but the talk isn't limited to lisp per se. 16:31:38 so, did you check out, say, haskell or erlang? 16:31:46 Ruby's bizarre thing where it's really only comfortable to give one block to a function bothers me 16:32:03 wildnux [~wildnux@69.199.88.19] has joined #lisp 16:33:36 Is there any reason to use Ruby instead of Smalltalk? 16:33:46 it's hip 16:33:48 it's deployed in more places 16:34:00 is there any reason to use either of them over lisp? 16:34:05 tlw8913 [~tenorplay@nat1002.oc.edu] has joined #lisp 16:34:06 Matz draws little hearts around you if you use Ruby. 16:34:33 it's easier on the memory 16:35:05 *maxm-* does not find ruby or smalltalk syntax immediately obvious, in a way python is 16:35:14 Deployed in more places is meaningless in the age of universal Intel processors and free software available thru the Internet. 16:35:33 Any language is one command and five minutes away. 16:35:36 pjb: I disagree. Deployment doesn't just mean "installed on machines" 16:35:47 it means there's a support infrastructure 16:35:51 eg. emacs is: VERSION=23.3 ; wget ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/emacs-${VERSION}.tar.gz ; tar zxf emacs-${VERSION} ; cd emacs-${VERSION} ; ./configure && make && make install 16:35:57 you know. people. that cost money to train. 16:36:01 -!- TheMue [~TheMue@p5DDF4F50.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: TheMue] 16:36:02 *sykopomp* wonders if Guy Steele or Kent Pitman can be talked into drawing little hearts around Lisp users. 16:36:02 those things. 16:36:11 s/talked/bribed/ 16:36:30 pjb: now that is totally obvious! 16:36:36 Perhaps we should try to find a maraine. 16:36:38 -!- SurlyFrog [~Adium@c-24-118-228-15.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:37:21 bas_ [~bas@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 16:37:39 -!- bas_ is now known as Skola 16:38:08 clisp is about identical to ruby in terms of footprint 16:38:34 -!- saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0F1E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:41:52 -!- ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:42:04 -!- bjonnh [~bjonnh@147.210.71.83] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:42:36 SurlyFrog [~Adium@c-24-118-228-15.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:43:29 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:43:39 TheMue [~TheMue@p5DDF4F50.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:43:56 does ruby have a real garbage collector? 16:44:04 barely 16:44:20 ruby does NOT scale last i used it and the GC is terrible m&s 16:44:22 well, there goes your "footprint" assertion 16:44:34 "does not scale" yeah 16:44:43 well sure. my test is enough to satisfy a "hey look lisp starts up about as big as ruby" which is both wrong and wrong 16:44:46 is it web-scale? 16:45:04 not to mention enterprise-ready? 16:45:23 and most importantly -- is it native? 16:45:35 i mean if you make lots of objects, it becomes unusable as the GC tries to keep up 16:45:35 cmm level 5 ready and certified kind ser 16:45:57 and by lots i mean a hundred thousand or so perhaps 16:46:18 oGMo: you meant to say "ruby cannot be used for all applications". 16:46:20 that doesn't sound very credible 16:46:26 maybe you will transfer your discussion to #ruby? 16:46:39 yes, this has definitely strayed :P 16:48:05 perhaps more topically, despite the initial footprint, you probably only need one lisp process anyway given native threading etc 16:48:52 oGMo: I don't think clisp has "native threading etc" 16:49:08 it has "native threading" 16:49:43 oh, then I'm behind the times 16:49:58 but, e.g. sbcl does, which makes the startup footprint comparison wrong 16:50:31 SBCL doesn't have the most reliable GC either. 16:51:01 -!- gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [] 16:52:15 -!- uwjweq [~jeyisu@HSI-KBW-046-005-177-112.hsi8.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:52:55 I'm in LW, have created a set of workers with #'mp::process-run-function. Workers have a task and a common stream to which they'll write their result. When every worker is done, I want to write an epilogue to the stream. How do you suggest I check whether all workers are done? 16:53:25 wait on them? 16:54:10 the word "semaphore" sounds vaguely relevant 16:55:07 it has mp:process-wait 16:55:49 -!- tlw8913 [~tenorplay@nat1002.oc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:56:06 chr`: looks like you want a barrier. Whether LW exposes an implementation or you'll have to build one yourself (on top of semaphores, for instance), that's another question. 16:56:36 if it has atomic-add or atomic-incf, you can just make a counter 16:56:42 and then spin until its zero 16:56:46 Currently I do (loop while (remove :killed (mapcar #'mp::process-state workers)) do (mp:process-allow-scheduling)) 16:57:07 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-79.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 16:58:07 something like (mp:process-wait "wait" (complement #'mp:process-alive-p) thread) 16:58:08 chr`: (find :killed workers :key #'mp::process-state :test-not #'eql). 16:58:16 chr`: thats a perfectly good solution, I assume mp:process-allow-scheduling does something like (sleep 0.0001). If it works for you don't bother, users will notice if you improve printing of footer latency by 300 milliseconds 16:58:23 stassats's looks more reasonable. 16:58:31 will notice => wont notice 16:59:59 wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has joined #lisp 17:01:44 I started instrumenting some code as it ran slowly. After a while I realized that LW seems to spend 5 seconds resolving an unqualified host name, while host(1) returns in one second. Presetting the host name to an integer address solved that. 17:02:33 chr` thats weird, check if its resolver has anything with ipv6 in it. 17:02:51 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.32.127.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:03:27 if so disable it.. "host resolves stuff fine, but firefox or other app takes 1 minutee" => symptom of host having ipv6 nameservers, and application using newer resolv API that prefers them over ipv4 ones, but your inet connection blocks ipv6 17:04:16 maxm-: Thanks. 17:04:38 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@205.233.81.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:05:32 lemoinem [~swoog@205.233.80.118] has joined #lisp 17:05:46 -!- wildnux [~wildnux@69.199.88.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:06:03 RomyRomy [~stickycak@cpe-69-203-115-155.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:06:42 stassats: Not sure if I follow on the process-wait usage; I have a list of threads, do you suggest I just start waiting a the front of the sequence of processes, stepping forward till I reach the end? 17:06:55 chr`: that would work. 17:06:58 yes 17:07:34 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-383628.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 17:09:30 As for stuff to read up on, I have collected the terms (counting) semaphores, barriers, also maxm-'s suggestion of a count of running processes and have each process atomic-decf the count once it's done. 17:09:51 chr`: right. or you can just wait. 17:10:24 ninor [~ninor@unaffiliated/ninor] has joined #lisp 17:10:38 you guys could learn something about quality community development from madnificent 17:10:41 -!- ninor [~ninor@unaffiliated/ninor] has left #lisp 17:11:10 but do we need vain members? 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18:02:00 Trying to see if quickloading s-xml looks funky, like it does on os x. 18:02:06 -!- jjkola_work [c064748e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.116.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:02:21 it's not funny on linux? 18:02:30 I don't have it on linux to test, either. 18:02:38 i can test on linux 18:02:41 So, I guess I wouldn't mind someone checking it there. 18:02:53 stassats: thanks. What I'm seeing is "[s-xml]......" 18:03:21 -!- splittist [d417faa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.23.250.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:03:36 oh, but you don't use quicklisp :~( 18:03:47 vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.123.98] has joined #lisp 18:04:01 i don't use lispworks either, but that doesn't stop me! 18:04:23 *Xach* appreciates it 18:04:28 http://paste.lisp.org/display/128199 18:05:34 -!- Sgeo_ [~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:05:38 ok, thanks, that's what i saw elsewhere 18:05:49 the immediate linebreak is spurious, coming from somewhere within lispworks 18:06:30 -!- Blkt [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:07:05 Sgeo_ [~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 18:07:13 ZabaQ [~johnfredc@ip-89-176-173-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 18:07:35 kilon_alios [~kilon@athedsl-189246.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 18:08:42 -!- CrazyEddy 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not so easy, I just tried it and I got *maximum-error-depth* exceeded 18:19:06 maxm-: break takes a string argument, for the record. 18:19:33 An optional one. 18:19:44 TheMue [~TheMue@p5DDF4F50.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:20:02 oh, uh. 18:20:09 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-72-79-213-12.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:20:09 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-72-79-213-12.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:20:09 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 18:20:11 kmcorbett_ [~kmcorbett@64.134.11.38] has joined #lisp 18:21:09 uhm, github sending "Action Required - SSH Key Vulnerability" 18:23:05 it just needed to know whether my ssh keys (i have more than one) are valid 18:24:03 oh, the number doesn't matter 18:24:25 -!- kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:25:07 -!- tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:25:17 That was fairly painless. 18:26:26 but instead of break, doing (defvar *blah*) and (setf *blah* (sb-debug::backtrace-as-list)) works 18:26:27 hmm, i need to check whether the computer with the second key is still in the closet 18:26:58 just need to be careful as any errors in stream-write-char pretty much kill swank 18:27:40 CrazyEddy [~semistupo@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 18:28:01 tlw8913 [~tenorplay@nat1002.oc.edu] has joined #lisp 18:28:48 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-030-081.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:30:09 kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has joined #lisp 18:30:31 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-79.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:31:10 hmm how do you compare hex string displayed by github for one's ssh key, to ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub? 18:31:16 -!- TheMue [~TheMue@p5DDF4F50.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: TheMue] 18:31:53 found it: ssh-add -l 18:31:59 ssh-keygen -lf ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub? 18:32:13 -!- yakov_ 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[~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 20:01:28 optikalmouse: there also is common music 20:01:40 Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.22.190] has joined #lisp 20:01:50 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 20:02:02 rvrebane [~rvrebane@valjapaas.vkhk.ee] has joined #lisp 20:02:18 mathrick_ [~mathrick@80.62.117.210] has joined #lisp 20:02:32 oops. that is scheme now. 20:02:51 dekuked [~user@static-98-164-147-69.axsne.net] has joined #lisp 20:03:43 what style of music are you composing optikalmouse? 20:04:37 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.22.190] has quit [Client Quit] 20:05:02 Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.22.190] has joined #lisp 20:05:59 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:06:10 -!- rvrebane [~rvrebane@valjapaas.vkhk.ee] has quit [Client Quit] 20:06:40 stassats: what was the name for those invalid codepoints? 20:07:15 the ones of the type that caused this error, that is 20:07:38 mathrick__ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 20:08:26 -!- 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