00:00:23 can't you just use more than one thread? 00:00:33 ^^ 00:00:35 I could. 00:00:47 can be annoying with long-polling, IMHO 00:02:22 can also be annoying if you may need to handle large numbers of connections responsively 00:02:50 *Xach* made an async-ish http client to get deterministic deadlines for wigflip 00:02:57 (DNS, too) 00:03:31 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:03:51 oo 00:03:52 wanna share? 00:04:33 Nope, sorry. Competitive advantage! 00:04:43 hah 00:04:44 So many Lisp web toys trying to get in on the action 00:05:12 Xach, cornering the market on lisp web-toys since XXXX 00:05:31 actually, low-level DNS library (async would be nice) would be veeery useful 00:05:41 as in, outside the "gethostbyname" stuff 00:06:01 I want to query specific classes,record types etc. 00:06:02 -!- tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06:22 yes, it would 00:06:31 >:| 00:06:45 I was looking into using SRV records to provide ZMQ endpoint database, for example 00:06:56 iolib has that 00:07:01 tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has joined #lisp 00:07:06 it does? where? 00:07:30 all I found in it was a regular simpl synchronous lookup. 00:07:31 simple 00:07:41 stickycake [~stickycak@cpe-69-203-115-155.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:07:41 RomyRomy [~stickycak@cpe-69-203-115-155.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:07:51 http://xach.livejournal.com/73245.html 00:08:00 -!- RomyRomy [~stickycak@cpe-69-203-115-155.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 00:08:02 -!- stickycake [~stickycak@cpe-69-203-115-155.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 00:08:09 I was talking about a client for p_l, not async 00:08:36 -!- tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:10:17 wow, already a bug fix for my bug report. "6 hours ago"... that's fast. https://github.com/akovalenko/sbcl-win32-threads/issues/18 and https://github.com/akovalenko/sbcl-win32-threads/commit/d20ec0c8fc6d07bdbd9275443ea0cc0f3575411a 00:10:49 mgr: it's not minutes, so not so fast 00:11:26 I want *faster* than instant gratification 00:12:00 preventive gratification? 00:12:14 -!- symm- [~symm-@178.168.29.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:12:58 Xach: ...so is any of this code posted anywhere, or just proofs of its existince you can taunt people with? :P 00:13:10 Well, it is way faster than I would have expected. It was a bug report without a patch. 00:13:56 :) 00:14:33 jackhammer2022 [~textual@c-76-119-12-211.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:14:34 *Xach* looks around 00:16:05 -!- kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-166-137.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:16:29 tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has joined #lisp 00:16:59 what?! 00:17:53 "Should be fixed by d20ec0c (and in binary build 1185 I've recently uploaded)." even a new binary already uploaded?! ok, that's a tad too fast for testing.. hmm :) 00:18:16 -!- tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:21:02 ? 00:21:38 Ralith: i can put some stuff up but not the full async dealie. 00:21:56 aw 00:25:05 oo, iolib does indeed have a great deal of dns frobbery 00:25:21 I wonder why it's synchronous, if it's pure lisp 00:25:52 think it frobs the system lib 00:26:23 it doesn't look that way... 00:26:25 *Ralith* digs around 00:27:00 -!- wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:27:20 i had a conversation with fe[nl]ix about this in the fall, but I can't remember the details. 00:28:05 tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has joined #lisp 00:28:31 yeah, I just walked most of the way through it, it looks pure lisp 00:28:38 it even calls iomux to block when needed. 00:29:33 cool 00:32:38 jsfb [~jon@unaffiliated/jsfb] has joined #lisp 00:32:44 hefner [~hefner@c-69-255-57-56.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:33:28 I expect it would be quite feasible to translate it into an async one 00:34:47 -!- jsfb [~jon@unaffiliated/jsfb] has quit [Client Quit] 00:36:31 wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 00:36:55 chr` [~user@148.122.202.244] has joined #lisp 00:37:20 -!- chr [~user@148.122.202.244] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:39:22 -!- Harag [~phil@dsl-146-232-199.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:40:40 urandom__ [~user@p548A3D6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 00:41:48 EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@host155.201-253-134.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 00:41:58 kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-166-137.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 00:42:13 -!- yroeht [~yroeht@x.yroeht.eu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:42:36 -!- acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:42:48 -!- daimrod [~daimrod@sbrk.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:43:19 xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.1.16] has joined #lisp 00:43:25 yroeht [~yroeht@x.yroeht.eu] has joined #lisp 00:43:48 -!- sepi [k7c5m0vj12@hcl-club.lu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:44:00 CrLF0710 [~user@114.96.72.108] has joined #lisp 00:45:00 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@176.31.24.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:45:06 kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has joined #lisp 00:45:07 -!- sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:45:41 -!- drdo [~drdo@ling0.drdo.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:46:10 sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has joined #lisp 00:46:56 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:47:23 Let's see if I can correctly and sanely write dolists 00:47:40 Been thinking about it, my thoughts (involving recursion) seem simpler than my earlier thoughts 00:47:58 -!- Enoria [~Enoria@jte.kidradd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:49:04 acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has joined #lisp 00:49:28 Sgeo: that's good, otherwise you might overflow your stack. 00:49:41 daimrod [~daimrod@sbrk.org] has joined #lisp 00:50:13 drdo [~drdo@ling0.drdo.eu] has joined #lisp 00:50:20 If a macro expands into a different copy of itself, is there a limit to how many times it can do so? 00:51:02 until you fill up main memory, I imagine 00:51:07 Buglouse [~Buglouse@176.31.24.235] has joined #lisp 00:51:19 er, the stack 00:51:55 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:55:19 Well, this seems to be behaving as expected, at least on my test run 00:55:34 But there's a progn that I think is ugly 00:55:40 -!- yroeht [~yroeht@x.yroeht.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:56:08 -!- daimrod [~daimrod@sbrk.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:56:14 http://paste.lisp.org/display/128071 00:56:28 housel [~user@ip70-187-191-250.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 00:56:45 Hmm, also, that doesn't work with (dolists () ...) 00:56:52 daimrod [~daimrod@sbrk.org] has joined #lisp 00:56:54 I don't know if that needs to be fixed 00:57:13 sepi [foqta3fh9q@hcl-club.lu] has joined #lisp 00:57:34 Eh, dolist also breaks in that case. But dolists should take a variable number of lists, and that could presumably include 0 00:58:46 -!- tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:01:47 you can obviously avoid the innermost progn by moving the dolist into the if clauses 01:02:10 tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has joined #lisp 01:02:44 Hmm, was planning on doing something like that (and getting rid of the destructing lambda list) to fix the 0 lists issue, didn't realize it would fix the progn too. 01:02:50 Why don't I go ahead and do that. 01:04:27 -!- kai_ [~kai@e179005158.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:05:00 Sgeo: the code you wrote seems workably useful (without macro-expanding it). Why not just use it for the task you want to use it for, and if it breaks, then fix it. 01:05:07 but that macro may surprise you with its expansion's semantics 01:05:37 adeht, hm? 01:05:37 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has joined #lisp 01:05:46 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:07:10 Sgeo, for example, how many OHAIs would you expect this to print: (dolists ((a '(1 2 3)) (b (progn (print 'ohai) '(4 5 6))))) 01:07:36 3 01:08:08 under a different interpretation, one could reasonably expect 1 01:08:43 Hm 01:08:52 yroeht [~yroeht@x.yroeht.eu] has joined #lisp 01:09:20 because the nesting is not apparent in the structure 01:09:53 kai_ [~kai@e179003001.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 01:10:07 Ye olde multiple evaluation. 01:10:10 What happens if I return multiple values from a macro? 01:10:17 (I'm rewriting dolists) 01:10:21 non-primary values get ignored 01:10:24 And want to avoid the progn 01:10:25 Oh, darn 01:10:41 there's no point in avoiding progn but aesthetics 01:10:50 So, if I want macro-blah, used like (blah a b) to expand into (a) (b), is that not possible? 01:10:59 correct 01:11:03 Ok, darn. 01:11:30 -!- Ralith [~ralith@static-209-139-215-92.gtcust.grouptelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:12:07 -!- yoklov [~yoklov@67.221.70.176] has quit [Quit: computer sleeping] 01:12:21 Can't blah expand into a values form? 01:12:44 that's still one form 01:13:32 -!- kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-166-137.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:13:56 offtopic man man google plus really needs a way to filter stuff by keyword tag.. /me added a guy to circles who sometimes finds cool stuff gems, but he posts like 50 things per day 01:14:49 http://paste.lisp.org/display/128072 my new dolists, where I'm still unable to get rid of the progn 01:15:05 And still doesn't fix adeht's issue, admittedly 01:15:07 Sgeo: why do you want to get rid of the progn? 01:15:12 *maxm-* rereads his sentence and it does not make sense even to him.. I guess brain needs a reboot 01:15:24 Sgeo, you can use annotations to avoid creating new pastes 01:15:44 Oh, right 01:15:46 yoklov [~yoklov@67.221.70.176] has joined #lisp 01:16:18 -!- rukubites [~user@d58-111-174-244.meb802.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:17:05 Sgeo, hint: (and first-list (null rest-lists)) 01:18:25 -!- yoklov [~yoklov@67.221.70.176] has quit [Client Quit] 01:19:08 *Sgeo* looks up null 01:20:11 Is there any difference between not and null? 01:20:24 see Notes in the clhs page http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/f_null.htm 01:20:25 Ah 01:20:26 "null is intended to be used to test for the empty list whereas not is intended to be used to invert a boolean (or generalized boolean). Operationally, null and not compute the same result; which to use is a matter of style." 01:20:43 lisp.se? 01:20:56 just picked the first google result 01:20:59 Oh 01:21:47 You know, when I learned that the HyperSpec, something that everyone refers to, is proprietary, that freaked me out, but then I read the bit that seems to allow redistribution, so LispWorks even if they take their own copy down there are others that can legally be put up, so I'm happy. 01:22:07 O Minion, Where Art Thou? 01:22:15 ? 01:22:46 http://www.cliki.net/minion 01:22:58 there used to be a bot here called minion, which was used 70% of the time for dicking around, and 30% of the time to lookup clhs 01:23:30 specbot was for the hyperspec 01:23:45 Xach, right 01:24:01 SurlyFrog [~Adium@c-24-118-228-15.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:24:22 adeht, hmm, why that expression? How likely is it that one of the lists is nil? (I can't see any other point for that) 01:24:28 Wait 01:24:33 Oh, n/m 01:24:38 Misunderstood the expression 01:25:04 -!- housel [~user@ip70-187-191-250.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:25:43 may be rephrased as (singlep lists), where singlep is the commonly defined utility function 01:28:17 new [new@subtlepath.org] has joined #lisp 01:29:36 dekuked [~k@pool-108-7-203-109.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:29:49 yoklov [~yoklov@67.221.70.176] has joined #lisp 01:31:43 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-139-187.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:31:47 why is minion gone? 01:32:16 #haskell kidnapped him and demanded a ransom. 01:32:46 isn't there some issue with cl-irc that is not easily solvable? 01:32:53 kanru` [~user@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 01:33:45 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 01:34:31 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.233.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:34:31 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 01:34:56 -!- CrLF0710 [~user@114.96.72.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:35:49 -!- sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:35:50 Um. Does emacs insert tabs by default? 01:35:57 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 01:36:19 Sgeo: (setq-default indent-tabs-mode nil) in your .emacs helps 01:37:27 ty 01:39:54 wooo 01:40:07 Xach: ? 01:40:46 Sorry. Wrong channel. Was just excited to get hibernate/wake-on-lan working. I can save some electricity on my power-sucking quicklisp build server. 01:40:52 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-128-149.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 01:42:58 housel [~user@mccarthy.opendylan.org] has joined #lisp 01:44:20 Xach: woo! 01:46:34 -!- hefner [~hefner@c-69-255-57-56.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: woo!] 01:48:49 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:50:45 -!- dekuked [~k@pool-108-7-203-109.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: dekuked] 01:59:10 -!- Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has quit [Quit: reboot] 01:59:25 gko [~gko@27.247.82.217] has joined #lisp 02:00:16 v0yager [~v0yager@71-9-198-219.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 02:00:25 springz [~springz@199.119.206.50] has joined #lisp 02:03:03 Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has joined #lisp 02:03:21 -!- kai_ [~kai@e179003001.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:04:05 msmith [~msmit297@adsl-74-190-145-177.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 02:07:02 -!- wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:08:02 Harag [~phil@dsl-146-205-216.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 02:08:04 rme__ [~rme@50.43.131.232] has joined #lisp 02:08:11 -!- rme [rme@DE339FFE.47C9A248.699BA7A6.IP] has quit [Ping timeout] 02:08:30 I'm trying to loop over a list with format, but I need to print the same element twice. for example, say I have (list a b c) I want to print a:a, b:b, c:c using format's looping capabilities. Anyone know if this is possible? something like (format t ~{ ~A:A again somehow ~}) 02:08:45 kai_ [~kai@f052098157.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 02:08:58 if that makes sense 02:09:34 -!- rme [~rme@50.43.137.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:10:07 msmith: sure, ~:* skips back in the argument list 02:10:25 H4ns: brilliant! thanks 02:12:33 -!- rme__ [~rme@50.43.131.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:14:03 H4ns: only problem is you need to skip forward again or you create an infinite loop I see 02:14:30 msmith: ~* skips forward. now go and read through the format documentation. 02:15:05 -!- DataLinkDroid [~David@120.154.181.116] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:16:01 -!- vairav [~vairav@209.49.23.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:16:37 rme [~rme@50.43.151.253] has joined #lisp 02:18:08 aw. CCL doesn't style-warn about doing defmethod before defining a generic function. Just got bitten pretty hard by that. :\ 02:18:31 -!- mon_key [~user@unaffiliated/monkey/x-267253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:18:42 mon_key [~user@unaffiliated/monkey/x-267253] has joined #lisp 02:18:52 -!- SegFaultAX|work [~mkbernard@173.228.45.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:19:10 hmm, i strongly prefer to do defgeneric first, but i've never been bitten by not doing it. what happened to you? 02:19:32 I forgot to import the symbol, but still wrote the defmethod form. 02:19:50 -!- msmith [~msmit297@adsl-74-190-145-177.asm.bellsouth.net] has left #lisp 02:19:52 and was completely baffled when the method 'wasn't working' 02:19:54 zulu_inuoe [~zulu_inuo@c-174-58-204-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:20:24 ahh 02:20:33 i can see how different names would be problematic 02:21:09 sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has joined #lisp 02:21:23 I have only myself to blame. 02:29:57 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 02:31:05 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-139-172.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 02:32:47 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-128-149.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:33:31 What's the recommended library for simple XML output? I'm looking at using CL-WHO at the moment 02:33:40 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-128-149.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:34:02 zulu_inuoe: i generate xml with cxml using with-xml-output 02:36:51 Oh ok cool. 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But it doesn't seem to be 04:01:09 theBlackDragon [~dragon@77.109.97.229.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #lisp 04:03:07 Sgeo: CL:GO is not a function 04:03:31 CL-USER> #'go 04:03:31 # 04:03:34 (in SBCL) 04:03:38 Is that something else? 04:03:50 Check the spec instead. 04:03:56 (special-operator-p 'go) 04:04:02 Start from the spec. 04:04:14 Implementations are free to bind a function to the symbols exported from CL. 04:04:41 Some of those bindings are specified, so for some of those symbols the implementations must bind a specific function to them. 04:05:42 -!- yoklov [~yoklov@67.221.70.176] has quit [Quit: computer sleeping] 04:05:43 -!- ce-gars [~ce-gars@c-24-7-169-242.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 04:06:09 psilord [~psilord@c-24-118-208-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:06:10 -!- psilord [~psilord@c-24-118-208-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has left #lisp 04:06:21 -!- SurlyFrog [~Adium@c-24-118-228-15.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:11:36 -!- 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[~wakeup@p5DE8FC80.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 06:02:10 It doesn't matter if my macro outputs ugly code, does it? 06:02:17 tsuru` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-28-46.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 06:02:24 (Say, nested lets when, if the code were written by hand, I'd use a single let) 06:03:23 Depends on the compiler. Also, nested let don't have the same semantics as a single let. So your call! 06:04:16 -!- tsuru [~charlie@adsl-74-179-196-113.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:04:55 -!- wakeup [~wakeup@p5DE8D898.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:05:01 Sgeo: rule of thumb: 06:05:17 if it works, can be improved later, and doesn't lock you in to a certain approach, go with it 06:06:13 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.195.72.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:07:11 -!- icylisper [~icylisper@27.7.49.38] has quit [Quit: icylisper] 06:10:02 pnq [~nick@AC81423D.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 06:10:33 jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-115.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:11:57 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:12:02 Actually, in the cases where let differ from let* for my use case, let shouldn't work, and makes no sense 06:12:05 *Sgeo* tries it 06:12:25 MrBusiness [~MrBusines@75-163-245-119.clsp.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 06:12:40 Meh, whatever. 06:13:28 -!- howeyc 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Just a quick question: Does any of the main open source lisp system currently support ARM (like the raspberry pi)? If not, are there any obstacles? 08:33:15 amagnus: http://ccl.clozure.com/ccl-documentation.html#linuxarm 08:34:45 the raspberry pi is an ARMv6? That seems to be a pretty big obstacle right there then. 08:36:21 -!- kai_ [~kai@e179002081.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:38:17 TheMue [~TheMue@pC19F62E7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 08:38:26 Blkt [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 08:43:02 Is this however a limitation of linux, ccl or modern lisp implementations in general? 08:45:53 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA12DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 08:46:07 amagnus: clisp is written in C and compiles to a clisp VM, so you should be able to compile it anywhere. 08:46:11 Theorically. 08:47:44 stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 08:48:17 amagnus: ecl generates C code, so it should also run easily anywhere gcc runs. 08:49:59 kilon [~user@178.59.17.196] has joined #lisp 08:50:09 Why do I have the feeling that searching for a Scheme that runs on Raspberry Pi would, when found, entail learning new stuff because of the amount of stuff that's different between every scheme? 08:50:12 -!- espadrine [~thaddee_t@acces2342.res.insa-lyon.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:50:18 yakov [~yakov@ip-83-149-2-227.nwgsm.ru] has joined #lisp 08:50:46 Unless you just stick to R?RS in which case you're drowning in what's not available 08:50:48 -!- yakov [~yakov@ip-83-149-2-227.nwgsm.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:51:04 Maybe a bit of FUD relating to Scheme is just soaked in my brain, though 08:52:32 -!- yan__ is now known as yan_ 08:53:59 yakov [~yakov@77.72.122.210] has joined #lisp 08:55:25 -!- ZabaQ [~johnfredc@ip-89-176-173-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:55:34 ZabaQ [~johnfredc@ip-89-176-173-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 09:00:06 -!- ZabaQ [~johnfredc@ip-89-176-173-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:01:18 -!- EarlGray^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:03:00 ok2 [ok2@kozachuk.info] has joined #lisp 09:04:09 Sgeo: there are the SRFIs. 09:12:09 gaidal [~gaidal@h164n1-m-sp-d4.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #lisp 09:12:39 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 09:15:09 EarlGray^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 09:20:12 c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-uvelsiarplfqvoqv] has joined #lisp 09:21:35 After slime-redirect-trace-output, *trace-output* is still the same as *terminal-io* output 09:27:57 -!- arnsholt_ is now known as arnsholt 09:29:58 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 09:31:46 What is meant by (get 't 'select-function) 09:31:52 In some paper I'm looking at 09:32:02 Oh, 'select-function is used elsewhere, not a builtin thing 09:32:28 it means get a property of the symbol T named SELECT-FUNCTION 09:32:35 varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 09:33:19 I thought that SELECT-FUNCTION was some sort of primitive property, it's not 09:34:11 there are no primitive properites 09:34:38 in fact, you may disregard that such functionality exists in CL at all 09:34:42 mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-tlmxarljgupqrzto] has joined #lisp 09:37:09 Even a fter (setf *trace-output* (connection.trace-output *emacs-connection*)), trace output doesn't appear in *slime-trace* (but now it doesn't appear in *slime-repl* either :-/ 09:37:48 Sgeo: or not. 09:38:07 *Sgeo* blinks 09:38:32 osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has joined #lisp 09:39:56 So "property list" is used to both refer to lists of alternating indicators and values, and such lists stored on top of symbols? 09:40:24 Yes. 09:40:33 GET accesses the SYMBOL-PLIST. 09:46:04 emacsuser [~user@194.249.198.46] has joined #lisp 09:52:43 Obscure particular values in a property list: http://paste.lisp.org/+2QTM 09:53:23 -!- anonus [anonymous@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:2cc7] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:57:02 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 09:59:18 -!- tty234 [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-bvswuawikjzvdtel] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:59:18 Oh, I misunderstood the point of that 09:59:38 I thought it would make it accessible but difficult to access. It just replaces them. Cool, I guess. 10:00:18 I do note the possibility of stack overflow 10:00:49 Sgeo: when? 10:01:10 chr`, excessively long plist passed in? 10:02:25 it shouldn't be a recursive function in the first place 10:04:07 anonus [anonymous@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:2cc7] has joined #lisp 10:04:26 chr`: i don't really get what you're trying to do with this code 10:06:12 -!- osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:06:17 osa1_ [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has joined #lisp 10:06:26 -!- osa1_ [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has quit [Client Quit] 10:06:43 chr`: but that's http://paste.lisp.org/display/128074#1 how it should look 10:07:52 or maybe i get it, you want to print it without revealing sensitive details? 10:08:17 stassats: Yes, without revealing sensitive details 10:08:21 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:10:28 -!- anonus [anonymous@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:2cc7] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 10:13:08 stassats: Your use of several collects was instructive, thanks. 10:14:30 Skola [~bas@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 10:15:01 stassats: Objections to do IF with LOOP constructs as in http://paste.lisp.org/display/128074#2 ? 10:15:38 yes, i like my version better 10:16:05 stassats: Can't argue with that. 10:17:27 mstevens_ [~mstevens@ceres.etla.org] has joined #lisp 10:18:03 anonus [anonymous@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:2cc7] has joined #lisp 10:19:59 -!- springz [~springz@199.119.206.50] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 10:23:01 -!- echo-are` [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:25:05 I just wish multiple fors worked like I'd expect them to 10:25:15 (Which is as though they were nested loops) 10:25:44 that's a fairly strange expectation 10:30:30 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 10:32:08 -!- MrBusiness [~MrBusines@75-163-245-119.clsp.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:35:27 -!- gko [~gko@27.247.82.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:37:11 Sgeo: then write your own macro! 10:37:14 -!- naryl [~weechat@188.134.95.93] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:38:32 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-041-041.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:39:36 jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-115.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:41:02 -!- icylisper [~icylisper@123.238.102.74] has quit [Quit: icylisper] 10:49:07 -!- kanru` [~user@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:50:10 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:52:40 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.38.147.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:52:56 naryl [~weechat@188.134.95.93] has joined #lisp 10:54:20 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-064-188-224.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 10:55:29 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Quit: WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I'm flying!] 10:56:02 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 10:57:50 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.1.16] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:58:04 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-115.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:58:18 xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.1.16] has joined #lisp 11:01:57 ehu [~ehuels@109.37.146.95] has joined #lisp 11:02:13 -!- yakov [~yakov@77.72.122.210] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:03:13 -!- wakeup_ [~wakeup@p5DE8FC80.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:03:18 wakeup [~wakeup@p5DE8FC80.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:04:48 osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has joined #lisp 11:04:59 -!- osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has quit [Client Quit] 11:05:19 trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 11:08:34 [SLB] [~slabua@host130-171-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 11:08:34 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@host130-171-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 11:08:34 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 11:12:39 teggi [~teggi@123.21.170.206] has joined #lisp 11:12:50 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128037189.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 11:13:43 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-240-59.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:14:29 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-240-59.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:17:39 -!- wakeup [~wakeup@p5DE8FC80.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:17:44 wakeup [~wakeup@p5DE8FC80.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:19:23 icylisper [~icylisper@27.7.49.38] has joined #lisp 11:20:13 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-iuhqqpdaxtiavunv] has left #lisp 11:22:00 KDr2 [~kdr2@123.122.119.85] has joined #lisp 11:24:41 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 11:25:14 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 11:25:50 -!- KDr2 [~kdr2@123.122.119.85] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:26:09 KDr2 [~kdr2@123.122.119.85] has joined #lisp 11:29:45 fooey. snow means i can't go to boston today. 11:30:06 Skis. 11:33:26 hrm 11:33:35 i cant find a definition of the loop macro anywhere 11:33:46 There's a whole chapter about it. 11:34:09 no i mean the actual source code 11:34:26 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/06_.htm 11:34:33 Oh. Just type (loop M-. in slime. 11:35:51 Error: failed to find the WRITE-DATE of /build/buildd/sbcl-1.0.50.0/src/code/loop.lisp: No such file or directory 11:36:26 -!- v0yager [~v0yager@71-88-201-245.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:36:27 or C-h S on any symbol, if you have the draft ANSI Common Lisp standard installed as TexInfo 11:36:44 quazimodo: that's funny: you want to look at the source of implementation, but you have not even compiled one... 11:37:27 jdz: i installed sbcl and slime, thats it :/ 11:37:35 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.57.20] has joined #lisp 11:37:39 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.57.20] has quit [Changing host] 11:37:39 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 11:37:44 quazimodo: download the source, then use (sb-ext:set-sbcl-source-location "/path/to/unpacked/source/") 11:37:44 then later i was looking at loop in gigamonkeys and decided id like to see the loop source cod 11:37:46 quazimodo: it is in section 6.1 The LOOP Facility 11:38:00 trebor_dki: looking , but where in there 11:38:20 trebor_dki: that's not what quazimodo was asking 11:38:23 trebor_dki: CLHS does not contain source of the loop macro, now does it? 11:38:23 quazimodo: you can see an example implementation in PAIP, too 11:38:52 nfi what paip is 11:39:02 stassats: sorry, misunderstood "definition" 11:39:06 No. But there's an implementation of LOOP in the CMU AI Repository. 11:39:09 Xach: i don't think sb-ext:set-sbcl-source-location is in sbcl-1.0.50.0 11:39:09 ok i found it on the net 11:39:18 its in the sbcl repo, andwow is it long 11:39:24 V. true 11:40:01 omg its huge 11:40:33 yep, this is a long way away from me understanding it 11:41:04 what are you trying to understand? 11:41:06 -!- CrazyThinker [~CrazyThin@unaffiliated/crazythinker] has quit [Excess Flood] 11:41:32 did seriously thought to learn LOOP by looking at the code implementing it? 11:41:49 quazimodo: paradigms of artifificial intelligence programming, peter norvig explains his code very good 11:41:52 stassats: oh nothing, i was just curious what a full featured macro definition may look like, and loop looked like it was very full featured so i thought id look at its source 11:42:06 anyway, im trying to climb mount improbable atm 11:42:35 trebor_dki: ill keep it in mind 11:43:01 how old is the modern implementation of loop? 11:43:09 has it been around since common lisp was defined? 11:43:24 stassats: no way, it was a curiosity 11:43:34 CrazyThinker [~CrazyThin@unaffiliated/crazythinker] has joined #lisp 11:43:36 leo2007 [~leo@123.114.36.112] has joined #lisp 11:44:05 quazimodo: LOOP in SBCL dates from the 80s 11:44:18 SBCL itself dates into the 80s 11:44:29 bits of sbcl are newer, but that is not one of them 11:48:05 -!- wakeup [~wakeup@p5DE8FC80.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:48:11 wakeup [~wakeup@p5DE8FC80.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:50:03 osa1 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Tooo bad. 14:27:26 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-052-060.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 14:27:42 Sometimes an url is not spam 14:28:22 jdz: not yet impressive at all but still modern opengl with sbcl on windows: http://matroid.org/flux/shader-test.jpg 14:28:57 mgr: you mean you write the shader in lisp? 14:29:20 conntrack [~tor@pdpc/supporter/professional/conntrack] has joined #lisp 14:29:20 the program is lisp, the shader is glsl 14:29:35 ok 14:29:50 (the shader*s*, vertex and fragment.) 14:29:52 I thought you had a lisp to glsl compiler ;-) 14:30:07 well, that'd be nice.# 14:30:18 (-#) 14:30:40 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-139-187.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:30:58 -!- xjrn [~chatzilla@c-67-174-244-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:30:59 pjb: as mentioned "not yet impressive at all". just an "it works". ;) 14:31:09 It's ok, it's nice. 14:31:53 mgr: looks great! i'm doing just basics of opengl now, but am looking forward to shaders etc. did you use cl-opengl 14:32:07 (And I'm happy as I have the newest opengl drivers on windows, fancy stuff. But that work starts now..) 14:32:08 not yet. 14:32:17 dto: yes, that's cl-opengl. 14:32:34 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.152.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:32:39 mgr: cool 14:33:03 brb. 14:33:12 dto: I suggest to start right away with modern opengl. you don't need anything of the old opengl anymore and have to relearn anyhow. 14:34:35 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@webuds163-228.rz.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:34:55 pnathan [~Adium@76.178.164.157] has joined #lisp 14:34:58 my laptop disagrees 14:35:45 mgr: okay. it shouldn't be too bad, all i really do is draw textured rectangles in different places/positions. 14:35:48 i mean sizes. 14:35:55 brb. 14:36:11 stassats: is it from 2000? 14:36:19 from 2011 14:36:53 stassats: and it doesn't have OpenGL 2.0? 14:36:56 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@webuds163-228.rz.uni-saarland.de] has joined #lisp 14:37:09 it does have 2.1 14:37:21 2.1... let me guess, intel gpu 14:37:29 but the new opengl is 4.2 14:38:04 stassats: "new opengl" refers to "use shaders, buffer objects, not fixed function and display lists" 14:38:13 at least that I got from people involved with graphics 14:38:25 -!- osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:38:41 also, intel being limited to 2.1 is an artefact of Mesa, so it was recently updated to 3.x 14:38:44 (at least) 14:38:45 actually, i don't really care about opengl applications 14:39:13 kilon_alios [~kilon@athedsl-189973.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 14:39:59 sysop_fb [~fb@108-66-160-34.lightspeed.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:40:34 -!- kilon_alios is now known as kilon_ 14:41:17 although i guess it'd be nicer on Ivy Bridge 14:41:35 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-411468.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:42:32 stassats: I start to suspect that Ivy Bridge will still be "broken". That is, synthetic benchmarks will show it fast etc. but when you run, let's say, a game, you'll get broken artefacts instead of, for example, a menu 14:43:14 i don't know about synthetic, but i was able to play a few games on Sandy Bridge 14:45:02 stassats: I recently found out that a game breaking bug could be traced down to either intel gpu or its drivers - same config with nvidia worked (that's with windows game running under wine, though) 14:45:12 tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.32.61.47] has joined #lisp 14:45:14 a DirectX-based game 14:45:26 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@webuds163-228.rz.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:47:07 nyef [~nyef@c-174-63-105-188.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:47:17 G'morning all. 14:48:33 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@108.87.19.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:49:47 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.114.36.112] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.4.1] 14:50:00 yo nyef 14:52:10 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:52:43 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 14:53:37 bjonnh [~bjonnh@147.210.71.83] has joined #lisp 14:56:44 Xach: Still on for tonight? 14:57:52 Nope. Stuck at home. 14:58:22 http://maineturnpike.com/traffic_cams/traffic_cams.php has some amusing views 14:58:41 leo2007 [~leo@123.114.36.112] has joined #lisp 14:58:58 drwho [~drwho@216-122-174-206.gci.net] has joined #lisp 14:59:36 -!- blandest [~blandest@ip4-85-204-33-242.euroweb.ro] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:00:38 that's some snow 15:01:51 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:02:41 wtf, its 46 degrees here in nyc and 80 in my apt 15:03:37 *maxm-* really needs a big cold spell before march 16 15:04:37 -!- pnq [~nick@AC81ABCC.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:04:45 -!- sipo [~user@static-72-74-85-37.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 15:04:51 it's 20 degrees here, and i drive to work on my motorcycle 15:05:03 (for two days already :) 15:05:33 jdz: let me guess, 20 degrees in the sensible temperature scale? ;) 15:06:03 p_l: yeah, you read what i wanted to say :) 15:06:24 with 20°C you can drive to beach 15:06:51 Venice is a bit too far -- 200km 15:07:03 -!- rswarbrick [~rswarbric@cl-1290.lon-02.gb.sixxs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:07:07 *H4ns* jumped into the pool yesterday night for a refreshment. 15:09:23 Eep, must still be cold 15:09:49 The water, I mean. 15:09:52 felideon: from my perspective, it is almost too warm 15:09:59 :D 15:10:00 felideon: i guess it is heated :) 15:10:19 Oh, nice. 15:13:11 Xach: looks nasty :) 15:13:37 I think the train is still running, but I am home watching a wee child for the day 15:13:47 djuber [~user@c-76-16-60-176.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:13:54 i still haven't had a chance to get up to maine. 2011 was probably the first calendar year of my life that i did NOT go to maine 15:16:20 It'll keep 15:16:38 ha 15:17:27 linkbuck [~linkbuck@117.3.205.135] has joined #lisp 15:17:31 in 2010 we stayed in saco for 2 weeks at the mouth of the saco river where it meets the ocean (literally about 100 feet from the marina). sooo beautiful and quiet 15:17:32 jkantz [~jkantz@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 15:17:49 Xach: do you have offspring? 15:17:58 So many offspring 15:19:20 -!- CrLF0710 [~user@114.96.76.233] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:31 CrLF0710 [~user@114.96.76.233] has joined #lisp 15:20:11 dekuked [~k@pool-108-7-203-109.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:21:58 ehu` [~ehuels@109.35.101.252] has joined #lisp 15:22:39 jdz: (ok, now with correct perspective http://matroid.org/flux/shader-test-perspective.jpg ) 15:22:39 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.37.146.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:23:02 -!- linkbuck [~linkbuck@117.3.205.135] has quit [Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 15:23:07 mgr: what format is the model in? 15:23:49 mgr: i mean, do you have a library to read any of the formats of the popular 3d applications? 15:24:48 jdz: tangentially, obj/mat is fairly trivial to parse 15:26:03 and blender outputs an xml format that has more data (e.g. ika) which should be easy to transform into something easily usable in lisp 15:26:28 jdz: that's a OFF file with normals: exampledata.wolfram.com/bunny.noff.gz 15:26:31 -!- kilon_ is now known as kilon 15:26:42 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-154-34.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:27:01 there's COLLADA, which afaik gets more popular these days.. 15:27:12 that might be what i'm thinking of 15:28:22 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-154-34.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28:31 Xach: you made it sound as if common-lisp.net does not exist anymore, and that made me think whether it fulfills a good purpose nowadays anyway. 15:28:48 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-139-172.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:29:58 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-154-34.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:30:26 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:30:38 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 15:33:18 antgreen [~user@70.50.67.88] has joined #lisp 15:35:09 thoughts, anyone? 15:36:00 H4ns: I don't think it does much more than suck up system administration time for some generous volunteers. 15:36:27 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:37:05 xjrn [~chatzilla@c-67-174-244-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:37:15 Xach: well, it does not suck up much of my time, and i'm doing most of the "work". i'm not decided how well that time is spent, though, either. i could also work on releasing hunchentoot, drakma and yason instead of caring about email issues and cleaning out mailing lists. 15:37:39 Xach: then again, these mailing lists exist and are used. 15:37:39 H4ns: Of course, I never used common-lisp.net even when it was a popular option 15:37:48 So my opinion might not count for much 15:38:46 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:39:13 But there are things that work very nicely if people use e.g. github that don't work as nicely with clnet - projects are ironically less visible on clnet than github 15:39:33 The "new projects" feed usually points to empty websites with unclear source locations 15:39:55 The different nature of github avoids that 15:39:59 yakov__ [~yakov@77.72.122.210] has joined #lisp 15:40:00 right. i've been bemoaning that, but noone wanted to pick it up. 15:40:18 if i were to use cl.net for my own project, then i'd manage sources with github, but put a front-page with releases and documentation on cl.net 15:40:26 and a mailing list, i like mailing lists 15:40:29 personally, i never go to common-lisp.net except when google directs me there. 15:41:37 stassats: the mailing lists make sense, i agree. 15:42:03 osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has joined #lisp 15:43:13 and handling bugs on launchpad seems popular as well 15:43:30 launchpad is nice 15:43:47 although it's easier with github, because you already have a tracker automatically enabled 15:43:48 github issues are simple and built-in, which is why i like it. 15:43:52 i think some people still use trac on c-l.net for their projects, but i guess that are only a few. 15:43:55 totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:44:56 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:44:57 I don't know if this is the right channel, but how do I switch brackets [] with () in emacs? 15:45:01 well, from this limited discussion, i'm taking away that the mailing lists are useful. as that is what causes the most "work", it is well spent. 15:45:08 dekuked: #emacs exists. 15:45:22 icylisper_ [~icylisper@27.7.49.38] has joined #lisp 15:45:28 commonqt has a page and ML on cl.net, sources on gitorious and bug tracking on github 15:45:34 -!- icylisper [~icylisper@27.7.49.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:45:34 a mishmash 15:45:35 -!- icylisper_ is now known as icylisper 15:46:34 ... implement a way to nicely link cl.net with github? 15:46:40 -!- CrLF0710 [~user@114.96.76.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:47:01 I really dislike gitorious's reliability 15:47:09 I frequently get timeouts and resets when cloning or updating 15:47:42 H4ns: I don't like google much, but they do make it fairly easy to create and administer a mailing list 15:47:57 -!- yakov__ [~yakov@77.72.122.210] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48:01 -!- emacsuse` [~user@194.249.198.46] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48:46 *p_l* dislikes the weird idea that the main page of the project doesn't start with code (on gitorious) 15:49:00 Xach: i know, but i'm not interested in creating one new list - if there was a way to move a mailman installation into google groups, i'd be sold. 15:49:09 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.213.162] has quit [Quit: Offline] 15:51:26 yakov [~yakov@77.72.122.210] has joined #lisp 15:51:29 -!- pnathan [~Adium@76.178.164.157] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:54:15 *Xach* goes out to think, snow-tube 15:54:40 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.132.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:00:25 acml [~user@92.45.135.173] has joined #lisp 16:01:05 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.178.131] has joined #lisp 16:01:30 -!- osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:04:58 -!- icylisper [~icylisper@27.7.49.38] has quit [Quit: icylisper] 16:05:54 Intensity [zQBDL3Up0A@unaffiliated/intensity] has joined #lisp 16:09:44 -!- c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-uvelsiarplfqvoqv] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:11:28 -!- acml [~user@92.45.135.173] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:13:08 -!- bjonnh [~bjonnh@147.210.71.83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:19:11 zenlunatic [~justin@c-68-48-40-231.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:19:26 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-154-34.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:21:23 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-154-34.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:24:38 -!- drwho [~drwho@216-122-174-206.gci.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:25:27 wildnux [~wildnux@69.199.88.19] has joined #lisp 16:28:16 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:31:45 Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.22.190] has joined #lisp 16:32:04 rswarbrick [~rswarbric@cl-1290.lon-02.gb.sixxs.net] has joined #lisp 16:32:09 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-189973.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:32:27 -!- SurlyFrog [~Adium@c-24-118-228-15.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:32:29 icylisper [~icylisper@27.7.49.38] has joined #lisp 16:33:18 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.114.36.112] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:39:31 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 16:43:38 woo-hoo, qres finally launched with a real, albeit small, airline 16:44:29 although that airline is so small that i wonder whether it is actually qres that they launched :/ 16:50:40 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-162-137-153-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 16:50:58 H4ns: any press-release link? 16:51:07 http://itasoftware.blogspot.com/2012/03/cape-air-takes-off-with-ita-softwares.html 16:51:23 -!- quasisane [~sanep@c-24-218-184-186.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:52:51 yeah, it's a full res system 16:53:01 they're quite happy with it 16:53:13 wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has joined #lisp 16:53:20 dlowe: congratulations then! 16:53:26 :) 16:53:41 Looking forward to the boston lisp meeting this evening, too 16:54:04 well, that makes it worthy of a little celebration, too. 16:54:06 :( 16:54:28 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54:51 Xach: I thought you were coming? 16:55:34 dlowe: We got a big snowstorm and preschool was cancelled. I am watching a 42-month-old at the moment. 16:55:38 He can't come with 16:55:54 [SLB] [~slabua@host130-171-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 16:55:54 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@host130-171-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 16:55:54 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 16:56:09 That's very unfortunate. Well, maybe next time 16:56:31 -!- tfb [~tfb@92.41.157.9.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:59:07 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:15 Bike [~Glossina@71-38-153-19.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:59:16 -!- Patterngazer_ [~Patternga@89.146.13.124] has quit [Quit: For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain.] 16:59:30 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 17:01:32 -!- kmcorbett [kmcorbett@clozure-FDAAE900.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quit] 17:01:32 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-162-137-153-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quit] 17:03:14 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.39] has joined #lisp 17:03:59 -!- Blkt [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:31 the train tickets are valid for a year 17:04:37 hopefully there is one before 2014 17:06:21 drwho [~drwho@137.229.78.0] has joined #lisp 17:07:04 -!- drwho [~drwho@137.229.78.0] has quit [Client Quit] 17:07:30 SegFaultAX|work [~mkbernard@173.228.45.162] has joined #lisp 17:08:02 http://itasoftware.blogspot.com/2012/03/cape-air-takes-off-with-ita-soft\ 17:08:02 wares.html 17:08:39 sorry about that, was trying to copy but this mouse is acting up 17:09:51 that's the project known as Polaris, right? 17:10:58 cmm: that name was used, true. 17:11:23 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.178.131] has quit [Quit: Offline] 17:14:11 *cmm* vaguely recalls something about Air Canada in that context, too 17:14:20 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-66-65-55-75.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:15:40 -!- totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:15:43 -!- yakov [~yakov@77.72.122.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:19:40 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:24:06 urandom__ [~user@p548A492A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:24:38 -!- trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:30:01 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.22.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:31:54 fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-178-002-097-177.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:35:26 n1tn4tsn0k [~nitnatsno@31.163.213.28] has joined #lisp 17:35:53 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-tlmxarljgupqrzto] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:39:55 totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:41:40 -!- lnostdal [~Lars@212.79-161-132.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:41:43 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-nfwrgzduqdxhetxv] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:41:55 lnostdal [~Lars@212.79-161-132.customer.lyse.net] has joined #lisp 17:42:59 symm- [~symm-@178.168.29.31] has joined #lisp 17:43:04 -!- xjrn [~chatzilla@c-67-174-244-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:45:14 -!- nialo` [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:46:28 while you ITA folks are at it, can you rewrite the ATC software? 17:47:04 define ATC 17:47:10 and, while you're still at it, buy a fleet of planes to run 17:47:13 Air Traffic Control 17:47:15 heh if you think parsing is hard, try parsing mvt/ssm messages 17:47:21 slyrus: they can't exactly... 17:47:34 slyrus: it's more complex thing to get there than you imagine ;) 17:47:46 meanwhile, there's european project to get new ATC system 17:48:28 -!- ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:48:57 surely larry and sergei have some spare time on the jets that ITA could put up a little auction site for 17:49:19 lol 17:49:48 *Xach* might have a slim chance of catching the train after all 17:50:10 how awesome would it be if the seat-back displays had a SLIME REPL instead of a cheesy late-90s smart TV interface! 17:50:27 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 17:50:38 hacks and glory! 17:51:03 SurlyFrog [~Adium@c-24-118-228-15.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:52:03 nialo` [nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 17:53:17 *slyrus* leaves to catch a boat 17:54:28 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-052-060.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:55:46 ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #lisp 17:56:09 -!- icylisper [~icylisper@27.7.49.38] has quit [Quit: icylisper] 17:56:26 -!- Skola [~bas@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:57:38 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-35-55-23.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:58:37 Skola [~bas@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 17:58:53 -!- rswarbrick [~rswarbric@cl-1290.lon-02.gb.sixxs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:59:51 vairav [~vairav@209.49.23.82] has joined #lisp 18:01:01 -!- Skola [~bas@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 18:04:16 sigi-ntb_ [~sigi@host-213-189-171-252.brutele.be] has joined #lisp 18:04:31 Skola [~bas@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 18:05:09 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 18:05:23 -!- ehu` [~ehuels@109.35.101.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:06:57 tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has joined #lisp 18:07:22 MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-150-227.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 18:07:50 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 18:08:50 _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 18:09:30 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.21.170.206] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:09:43 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.213.162] has joined #lisp 18:10:40 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-181.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 18:10:56 -!- rvrebane [~rvrebane@valjapaas.vkhk.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:12:44 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@h164n1-m-sp-d4.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:13:51 cp: cannot stat `doc/manual/*.info': No such file or directory 18:14:02 this comes up after SBCL has been installed: 18:14:06 don't pay attention to that 18:14:15 unless you want documentation installed, of course 18:14:20 ok 18:15:00 n1tn4ts1 [~nitnatsno@178.47.16.102] has joined #lisp 18:15:50 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:16:52 gaidal [~gaidal@h164n1-m-sp-d4.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #lisp 18:17:33 EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@host155.201-253-134.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 18:17:38 -!- n1tn4tsn0k [~nitnatsno@31.163.213.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:18:46 SBCL wants to have functions defined before use, can I turn of that type of style warning? 18:18:49 -!- BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:19:05 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 18:19:17 don't load the files just with LOAD, compile them beforehand 18:19:39 thanks! 18:20:02 i.e. (load (compile-file "file")), or C-c C-k in Slime 18:20:13 Kron [~Kron@129-97-120-181.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 18:20:18 or better yet, put your code into a system and use ASDF to load it 18:21:56 BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:22:43 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-181.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:28:07 -!- antgreen [~user@70.50.67.88] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:29:38 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@77.109.97.229.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:31:53 I haven't heard much about xcvb lately. Is the project still active? 18:32:27 Cosman246 [~user@D-69-91-156-54.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 18:33:27 ZabaQ [~johnfredc@ip-89-176-173-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 18:35:42 -!- mstevens_ [~mstevens@ceres.etla.org] has quit [Quit: I must depart. Admit you all want to play nomic!] 18:36:51 theBlackDragon [~dragon@77.109.97.229.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #lisp 18:38:44 jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-115.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:39:51 osa1 [~sinan@31.140.50.219] has joined #lisp 18:41:23 -!- alvis [~alvis@tx-184-5-64-249.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:42:08 adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:42:26 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=sAyj8w1L 18:42:44 I don't understand the source of this error message 18:42:54 bjonnh [~bjonnh@147.210.71.83] has joined #lisp 18:43:06 does anyone know what part of that code could be the problem? 18:43:06 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:43:16 it expects a positive number 18:43:21 and gets -10 18:43:56 I don't like pastes not made with http://paste.lisp.org/new 18:44:10 There's no problem with your code: 18:44:38 (typep -10 '(OR (SINGLE-FLOAT (0.0)) (DOUBLE-FLOAT (0.0d0)) (RATIONAL (0)))) => NIL 18:44:38 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:44:47 See, the value -10 is really not of that type. 18:45:55 m7w [~chatzilla@80.249.86.232] has joined #lisp 18:46:07 so the compiler has decided that dir should be position 18:46:07 positive 18:46:17 tomodo: BY in LOOP cannot be negative 18:46:33 False. 18:46:34 aha 18:46:49 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:46:53 (loop for i from 10 by -1 until (zerop i) collect i) => (10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1) 18:47:14 -!- symm- [~symm-@178.168.29.31] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 18:47:21 can I ask SBCL about it's type inference? 18:47:32 pjb: if your implementation is broken doesn't mean all others are 18:48:47 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:48:56 stassats: correct. It should be positive. 18:49:05 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:49:17 tomodo: why doyou want to ask sbcl about its stuff, you're using ccl! 18:49:35 Oops sorry. 18:49:38 use for i from 10 downto 18:49:39 that doesn't look like CCL 18:49:44 Tired. I imaginedyou were using ccl. 18:50:06 adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:51:10 note that "for c from (+ move dir) by dir until (eql c bracketer)" should rather be written as "for c from ... below bracketer" 18:51:25 dir can be positive or negative 18:51:31 although this won't solve the problem with non-positive DIR 18:51:39 so should I use IF and make two loops? 18:51:46 no 18:52:22 you'd write it as "loop for c = (+ move dir) then (+ c dir) while (< c bracketer) ..." 18:54:13 theBlack1ragon [~dragon@77.109.97.229.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #lisp 18:54:28 alvis [~alvis@tx-184-5-64-249.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 18:55:32 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.39] has joined #lisp 18:57:34 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@77.109.97.229.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:57:39 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 19:00:14 -!- theBlack1ragon [~dragon@77.109.97.229.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:00:35 theBlackDragon [~dragon@77.109.97.229.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #lisp 19:01:19 -!- bjonnh [~bjonnh@147.210.71.83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02:56 [SLB] [~slabua@host130-171-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 19:02:56 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@host130-171-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 19:02:56 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 19:05:11 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:28 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 19:06:21 -!- alvis [~alvis@tx-184-5-64-249.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:06:33 -!- dto [~dto@pool-72-70-40-118.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:07:31 Ralith [~ralith@static-209-139-215-92.gtcust.grouptelecom.net] has joined #lisp 19:08:27 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:13:41 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:13:59 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 19:16:08 -!- vairav [~vairav@209.49.23.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:18:09 vairav [~vairav@209.49.23.82] has joined #lisp 19:19:42 wws [~billstcla@p-69-195-51-120.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 19:20:38 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:21:07 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-396189.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 19:21:37 jakky [jakk@razor.sharp.penisbird.com] has joined #lisp 19:22:51 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-154-34.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:23:21 alvis [~alvis@tx-184-5-64-249.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 19:23:55 -!- Harag [~phil@dsl-146-205-216.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:24:32 -!- TheMue [~TheMue@pC19F62E7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: TheMue] 19:25:30 -!- Kron [~Kron@129-97-120-181.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25:31 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 19:25:57 how can i "unproclaim" a constant? i.e. i wrongly defined a constant but i now want it to be a special variable. sbcl does not want to do it. 19:26:08 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-181.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 19:26:12 unintern 19:26:47 stassats`: no. also not makunbound 19:27:40 WFM 19:28:39 (unintern, not makunbound) 19:28:44 strange. it did not work when i used (unintern 'package::foo), but when i was in-package :package, it did. 19:28:48 stassats`: thanks. 19:29:10 -!- benny [~benny@i577A3A91.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:29:11 yes, unintern uninterns only in the packages in which it's specified to unintern 19:29:28 that is, (unintern 'package::foo 'package) 19:29:32 H4ns: (unintern 'package::symbol :package) 19:29:47 ah, ok. thank you, both! 19:30:31 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-108-26.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:31:53 elrzn [~elrzn@227.53.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 19:32:28 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 19:33:08 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-139-187.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:33:14 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #lisp 19:33:50 Are macros that expand into stuff with redundant progns common? 19:34:01 As in, should I just push my worries about that entirely out of my mind? 19:34:09 yes 19:34:41 macros with (let () ..) are also alright 19:35:38 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-109-247.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:36:05 cpt_nemo_ [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has joined #lisp 19:36:34 nyef: I'm headed down 19:36:52 Unfortunately I could not find my AIMA :( 19:37:03 dagda [~dagda_@np34.co.returnpath.net] has joined #lisp 19:37:04 Xach: Ahh. Good to hear on the first part, at least. 19:37:16 I should have set it aside yesterday 19:37:25 -!- realitygrill_ [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-108-26.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:37:36 Oh well. Maybe next time, presuming there IS a next time? 19:37:43 Sure 19:38:29 *Xach* IRCs from train 19:39:23 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@77.109.97.229.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:39:43 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.39] has joined #lisp 19:40:20 theBlackDragon [~dragon@77.109.97.229.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #lisp 19:40:35 MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-8-229-113.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 19:41:49 ...AllegroServe is open-source? 19:41:56 *nicdev_* plans to get AIMA after i get through PAIP 19:41:58 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:42:25 Sgeo: can't you check this yourself? 19:42:39 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-150-227.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:42:44 It was more that I was surprised to see PCL stating that it's open-source 19:42:49 #lisp is not your personal Siri 19:43:40 benny [~benny@i577A72AF.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 19:43:53 davertron [~subway@ridezap.com] has joined #lisp 19:44:00 -!- davertron [~subway@ridezap.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47:27 https://github.com/franzinc/aserve <-- Yes. Quite easy to verify, too. 19:48:58 nicdev_: AIMA is a very different book from PAIP - just so you're prepared for that 19:49:55 finnrobi: i know, wanted to do the Stanford AI class last time so read chapter one and 2....got bogged in work after that 19:49:58 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.235.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:50:11 *Xach* has no interest in AI to speak of 19:50:34 *Xach* was glad PAIP was not much about it, and sad AIMA is 19:50:49 I actually do find myself referring to AIMA every now and then, but I'm still writing my thesis - doubt I'll use it much after I'm done, however 19:51:42 and I'm kind of with Xach, PAIP was a lot cooler in my opinion :p 19:53:57 what do you want AIMA to be about? Ponies? 19:54:26 tomodo: I hoped that like PAIP it was about Common Lisp. 19:54:28 tomodo: that, or unicorns 19:54:48 what about pegasi? 19:54:56 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@80.249.86.232] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:55:22 I was reading AIMA to try to learn how to make a game AI 19:55:33 -!- Cosman246 [~user@D-69-91-156-54.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:55:35 I think that was a waste of time, PAIP is much better 19:55:38 -!- pchrist_ [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:55:39 -!- SurlyFrog [~Adium@c-24-118-228-15.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:57:48 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 19:57:58 m7w [~chatzilla@80.249.86.232] has joined #lisp 19:59:21 jjkola [~jjkola@xdsl-83-150-83-66.nebulazone.fi] has joined #lisp 20:00:02 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 20:00:49 -!- cbp` [~user@187.193.246.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:01:41 tensorpudding__ [~michael@99.148.196.162] has joined #lisp 20:02:31 hey, I've been reading practical common lisp (I'm only half-way through) and I recently mentioned using lisp at my job, which my boss is now actually considering. but since I didn't expect it to go anywhere, I felt confident in mentioning it with my poor understanding, but now I feel pretty screwed. We've been using django at work, and this would be a rewrite of a very simple django app. What's the best way to start tackling this proble 20:02:31 I've been looking at web frameworks on cliki.net, but nothing really sticks out as being awesome/easy to use 20:02:33 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-182-195-104.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:03:02 this is true 20:03:41 if you want a rewrite for the sake of a rewrite and aren't proficient in the target language, don't do it 20:04:26 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-179-203-180.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 20:04:26 i thought people were moving to pure javascript frontends and pure processing backends .. don't really need a framework for that 20:04:37 Cosman246 [~user@D-69-91-156-54.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 20:04:55 -!- tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.32.61.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:05:00 oGMo: I understand what you mean by the js fronted, but what do you mean by the processing backend? 20:05:09 stassats`: trial by fire can be an effective way to learn ;) 20:06:14 dekuked: something like hunchentoot+yason+postmodern maybe? 20:06:16 dekuked: just pure ajax stuff (or whatever the current buzzword is) .. all the UI stuff in the browser, and just do rest/json for data from the backend 20:07:06 you only need a very thin layer on the backend for that and don't have to worry about clunky web frameworks 20:07:09 tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.148.199.127] has joined #lisp 20:07:22 dekuked: I'm running a hunchentoot+st-json+postmodern stack here, but the front-end is an android app. 20:07:38 oGMo: right. then you'll have to worry about clunky javascript ui frameworks :) 20:07:48 so hunchentoot seems like the main way to go? 20:08:02 H4ns: well, that's an existing problem ;) 20:08:18 but I am interested in the heavy js client method, because parenscript seems like quite a useful tool 20:08:31 -!- tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.148.199.127] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 20:09:21 MrBusiness [~MrBusines@75-163-245-119.clsp.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:09:21 tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.148.199.127] has joined #lisp 20:11:13 -!- tensorpudding__ [~michael@99.148.196.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:11:39 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@h164n1-m-sp-d4.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:12:05 tensorpudding__ [~michael@99.32.56.71] has joined #lisp 20:14:25 or is parenscript frowned upon? I really don't know, it just looked really cool 20:14:56 HG` [~HG@dsbg-4db58a70.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 20:15:01 dekuked: it is a matter of taste. i don't like it. 20:15:03 -!- tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.148.199.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:15:22 im sure it makes debugging fun 20:15:39 tomodo: one of my reasons for not liking it. 20:16:21 h4ns: what do you prefer? clojurescript? coffescript? plain ol' js? 20:16:25 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-115.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:16:33 or no js 20:16:35 dekuked: i use javascript. 20:16:41 -!- ghuntley [~ghuntley@14-200-9-232.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:17:22 h4ns: have you tried clojurescript? what's wrong with parenscript? 20:17:53 parenscript seemed like a great way to extend js 20:17:58 dekuked: i like debuggers, i like looking at examples and understanding them directly, i like talking to people who know javascript and show them javascript. 20:18:05 ghuntley [~ghuntley@14-200-9-232.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 20:18:18 dekuked: ah, and i like javascript. 20:22:03 -!- dagda [~dagda_@np34.co.returnpath.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:24:11 h4ns: have you tried parenscript/clojurescript recently? 20:25:03 dekuked: no, because i am not interested in putting some other syntax over javascript. i don't see the point of it. it is like trying to get rid of the parentheses in lisp. those who do that don't appreciate the language. 20:25:24 -!- Yuuhi` [benni@p5483A72B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:26:10 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-66-65-55-75.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:26:33 Involuntary [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:27:46 tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.148.192.245] has joined #lisp 20:28:53 -!- tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.148.192.245] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 20:29:36 tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.148.192.245] has joined #lisp 20:29:41 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@p5081DFB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:30:04 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:30:52 H4ns: The main benefit I'd see would be gaining the use of macros. 20:31:06 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:31:22 -!- tensorpudding__ [~michael@99.32.56.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:31:49 macros, paredit, possibly interactivity with SLIME. 20:33:47 -!- Involuntary [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 20:34:04 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:35:07 all those things are massively overrated compared to compatibility with co-workers and tools 20:35:19 cmm: +1 20:35:50 Is there any way to get flexi-streams:octets-to-string to behave like babel's with :errorp nil wrt. UTF-8, i.e. substitute the 'invalid character' character for errors and continue decoding? 20:35:54 well, not sure about paredit because I don't use it :) 20:37:55 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-109-247.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 20:39:43 -!- asvil` [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:42:08 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@p5081DFB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:43:57 -!- djinni` [~djinni@li125-242.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:44:11 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@122.169.83.5] has joined #lisp 20:44:18 Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has joined #lisp 20:44:48 -!- elrzn [~elrzn@227.53.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [] 20:47:52 djinni` [~djinni@li125-242.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 20:49:20 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:50:10 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.213.162] has quit [Quit: Offline] 20:50:49 -!- osa1 [~sinan@31.140.50.219] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:51:08 ASau [~user@176.14.250.151] has joined #lisp 20:51:27 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-178-002-097-177.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: humhum] 20:51:48 Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has joined #lisp 20:53:47 francogrex [~user@109.130.76.223] has joined #lisp 20:54:03 -!- cpt_nemo_ [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:56:08 -!- HG` [~HG@dsbg-4db58a70.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:56:50 kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-78-34-254-58.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:58:28 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.178.131] has joined #lisp 21:08:28 -!- Skola [~bas@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:11:04 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 21:12:07 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.76.223] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:05 offtopic, but woot woot just got a new nephew (: 21:16:07 now you're obliged to teach him Lisp once he grows up 21:16:13 antgreen [~user@70.50.67.88] has joined #lisp 21:16:38 gladly! 21:17:24 rvirding [~chatzilla@c213-89-147-188.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 21:23:20 -!- daniel__1 [~daniel@p5082B0FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:24:43 francogrex [~user@109.130.76.223] has joined #lisp 21:25:18 hi, is there a sbcl equivalent for (ext:run-shell-command (apply '$sconcat args)) ? or (si:system (apply '$concat args)) ? 21:25:43 sb-ext:run-program 21:26:02 well not really the same 21:26:23 *Sgeo* ponders various "Don't do this"es 21:26:31 *Sgeo* tries (setf *readtable* nil( 21:26:32 erm 21:26:36 because in ecl there is also run-program nut the arguments differ 21:26:36 francogrex: what do those things do? 21:26:39 (setf *readtable* nil) 21:26:56 what has ECL got to do with SBCL? 21:27:03 And it doesn't let me, type error 21:27:24 (on SBCL anyway) 21:27:25 daniel [~daniel@p5082B076.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:28:05 kilon_alios [~kilon@athedsl-411236.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 21:28:09 TOMMY-PENGAMEN [~siantar@114.79.54.158] has joined #lisp 21:29:12 for example (si:system "notepad") is sufficuient to launch the program but not (sb-ext:run-program "notepad") 21:29:15 Sgeo: where are you doing that. SBCL 1.55 from the cli won't let me setf readtable 21:29:35 -!- TOMMY-PENGAMEN [~siantar@114.79.54.158] has quit [Client Quit] 21:29:39 mon_key, SBCL 1.50 (I think) in SLIME 21:30:08 mon_key: it won't let sgeo either. 21:30:09 Sgeo: can try it from a cli? 21:30:09 1.0.50 21:30:18 francogrex: have you tried reading what arguments sb-ext:run-program accepts? 21:30:28 likewise in maxima: (si:system (apply '$concat args)) and (ext:run-shell-command (apply '$sconcat args)) launch gnuplot but not (sb-ext::run-program "/bin/sh" (list "-c" (apply '$sconcat args)) :output (or s t)) 21:30:32 or are you just trying to copy-paste your way thorugh? 21:30:34 through 21:30:49 ^see above^ 21:30:59 mon_key, same error saying that NIL is not a readable 21:31:03 readtable 21:31:06 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-396189.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:31:16 try using (sb-ext:run-program "notepad" () :search t) instead 21:31:24 and don't ever read maxima source code 21:31:26 Sgeo: Oh i thought you'd been successfull... b/c you shouldn't be 21:31:41 it is a mess 21:31:45 Sgeo: look at make-readtable. 21:31:50 or copy-readtable. 21:32:14 (setf *readtable* (copy-readtable)) 21:32:16 THat works fine 21:32:36 There is no make-readtable 21:32:46 copy-readtable is make-readtable 21:32:50 Oh 21:32:56 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:33:22 Maybe when I'll get home I'll see if I can make a useless readtable 21:33:51 is it possible to write a loop that goes over fib elements? 21:34:18 http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/doc/cl/loop.html the examples only use one variable usually, can't tell if that's the limit or what 21:34:19 dekuked: i fail to understand your question 21:34:38 -!- dryman [~dryman@OpenISDM.iis.sinica.edu.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:34:50 I want to create a loop where two variables are always assigned the next values of the fib sequence 21:34:59 yes, you can do that 21:35:06 (1,2) (3,5) 21:37:10 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.76.223] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39:42 *Xach* discovers belatedly that there is a hockey game at the same time as the lisp meeting 21:40:00 so, what did you choose? 21:40:05 (that explains all the bruins gear and the fact the train has run out of beer) 21:40:07 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@122.169.83.5] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:40:15 *Xach* chooses hacks and glory! 21:41:18 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:41:59 Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has joined #lisp 21:43:17 tensorpudding [~michael@99.102.71.56] has joined #lisp 21:43:24 how do I stop evaluating a function in slime? 21:43:34 C-c C-c I think 21:43:57 yes 21:44:00 (Which is emacs notation for Ctrl-C Ctrl-C) 21:44:33 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:44:55 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-66-65-55-75.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:45:00 uh oh emacs froze before I could do that 21:45:26 wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 21:45:43 try pressing C-g several times 21:45:43 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@77.109.97.229.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:47:25 -!- tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.148.192.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:47:35 theBlackDragon [~dragon@77.109.97.229.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #lisp 21:47:52 Hmm 21:48:08 I vaguely remembered there was a way to get out of a keystroke, but forgot what it was. Thanks 21:48:12 Esc doesn't work well 21:48:23 Wait, C-g doesn't do that 21:48:36 stassats, sego: thanks! 21:48:40 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.62.127] has joined #lisp 21:49:08 Well, I guess since unlike Esc, there isn't really a C-g toplevel thing, it works better 21:49:09 Hmm 21:49:21 ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has joined #lisp 21:49:24 Does anything define C-g? As in, a C-x C-g or whatever? 21:49:33 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128037189.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:49:36 C-g is bound to quit 21:50:41 It says that C-x C-g is undefined, which to me implies that someone could define it 21:50:58 what made you think that it cannot be defined? 21:51:21 francogrex [~user@109.130.76.223] has joined #lisp 21:51:26 Seemed like it would be more useful if it couldn't be. 21:51:50 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@77.109.97.229.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:51:53 but I cannot not read the maxima code if i want to fix a problem 21:52:14 -!- saschakb_ [~saschakb@p4FEA10DF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:52:22 more precisely this: (si:system "wgnuplot \"C://maxout.gnuplot\" -") how would I do the same with run-program? 21:52:57 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable019.12-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 21:53:16 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:53:27 Hum. So the only compression library in Quicklisp is zlib? 21:54:05 Hexstream: salza and salza2 are also compression libraries 21:54:11 (sb-ext:run-program "wgnuplot" '("C:/maxout.gnuplot" "-")) 21:54:19 Hexstream: there also is deflate 21:54:20 i don't know whether you need :search t for windows 21:54:29 H4ns: deflate only decompresses. 21:54:35 Confusingly. 21:54:36 salza2 is better than salza but salza is included for cl-pdf 21:54:44 Hexstream: there is gzip-stream 21:55:00 i use chipz and salza2 21:55:01 Xach: I guess you use salza2 to make Quicklisp dists? 21:55:08 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:55:08 Hexstream: and geoxybyte-gzip 21:55:13 Hexstream: so no. 21:55:13 That's actually what I want to do right now... 21:55:16 Hexstream: Nope. 21:55:53 Hexstream: I use the gzip shell command (usually inconcert with some export/archive command in the VCS) 21:56:01 Great, before coming here I (thought I) didn't have enough choices, now I have too many. o_o 21:56:14 Best to just give up, go to bed 21:56:26 It's too early for that, unfortunately. 21:57:16 (sb-ext:run-program "wgnuplot" (list "C:/maxout.gnuplot" "-") :search t) but then I have to split the string ... :( 21:57:21 Xach: Any particular reason you're not using salza2 instead of shell gzip? Staunch pragmatism? 21:57:37 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-212-89.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:57:53 Hexstream: it's easier and it has a better compression ratio 21:58:21 Ok. Time to consider my options... 21:58:43 Thanks for the input, all. 21:58:59 francogrex: I believe you can use "cmd" to run a string as a command 21:59:32 something like (run-program "cmd" '("/c" string)) 21:59:47 But I don't use windows much, so you'll have to find out the accurate details from someone else. 22:00:13 theBlackDragon [~dragon@77.109.97.229.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #lisp 22:00:15 well, not very much like that; i hpoe the idea is clear even if the example is bad. 22:00:24 *Xach* blames trainlag 22:00:26 -!- MrBusiness [~MrBusines@75-163-245-119.clsp.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:00:47 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 22:01:44 -!- n1tn4ts1 [~nitnatsno@178.47.16.102] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:03:44 DataLinkDroid [~David@120.154.96.55] has joined #lisp 22:05:34 Kron__ [~Kron@129-97-120-181.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 22:05:52 Xach: ok I discovered the problem: this works: (sb-ext:run-program "cmd" (list "/c" "wgnuplot C:/maxout.gnuplot -") :search t) but this does not (sb-ext:run-program "cmd" (list "/c" "wgnuplot \"C://maxout.gnuplot\" -" ) :search t) << and that's what maxima is transplating sys command to in sbcl! bah! 22:05:53 -!- Cosman246 [~user@D-69-91-156-54.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:07:27 wouldn't it be easier to use external-program:start? 22:08:04 saschakb_ [~saschakb@p4FEA0D6E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 22:08:39 backslashes are being introduced in a weird way 22:09:09 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-181.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:10:18 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:10:40 (si:system "wgnuplot \"C://maxout.gnuplot\" -" ) is ok but not with the run-program above... it's a cmd windows baclslash weirdness! 22:11:09 MrBusiness [~MrBusines@75-163-245-119.clsp.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:14:04 windows makes me sick... (weeping) 22:14:40 have you tried (list "/c" "wgnuplot \\\"C://maxout.gnuplot\\\" -" )? 22:16:51 Okay, I'm out of here, going to make sure I'm early arriving at CBC. 22:16:51 stassats`: it will probably be ok like you suggest, but maxima translates the argumnts on its own whim.. i'll have to modify further the src code to reach something ... \\\"C://maxout.gnuplot\\\" ... 22:16:54 -!- nyef [~nyef@c-174-63-105-188.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 22:17:21 Farzad [~farzadbek@46.225.98.207] has joined #lisp 22:17:37 -!- wws [wws@clozure-60E3C97B.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 22:18:37 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-66-65-55-75.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:19:26 Grr... Better just use shell gzip quickly, because the more I try to evaluate third-party CL libraries, the more I think "I should just make my own", and by the end of the year I'll have accomplished FUCKING NOTHING again. o_o 22:19:43 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.178.131] has quit [Quit: Offline] 22:20:06 -!- dekuked [~k@pool-108-7-203-109.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: dekuked] 22:20:31 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable019.12-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 22:20:41 yeah, where's this loopless 2.0? 22:21:38 Indy1 [~subway@ridezap.com] has joined #lisp 22:23:07 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.62.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:23:09 -!- wws [~billstcla@p-69-195-51-120.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:23:24 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 22:26:45 -!- Indy1 [~subway@ridezap.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29:06 can someone explain why sbcl prints :|2000A| as :|2000A|, but :|2000AA| as :2000AA? 22:29:22 potential numbers 22:29:53 how is 2000A more of a potential number than 2000AA? 22:30:17 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw60/CLHS/Body/02_caa.htm 22:30:25 *sykopomp* gets sudden nasty flashbacks. 22:30:51 "no letter that is adjacent to another letter may ever be treated as a number marker." 22:31:06 stassats`: thanks! 22:31:12 so, AA makes it an impotential number 22:31:29 I should leave 22:32:38 tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.102.65.235] has joined #lisp 22:33:19 *stassats`* added a cool status-bar to his rtorrent gui, which is updated every second 22:33:40 having a qt timer send signals to lisp every second is nicer than having to mingle with threads or whatnot 22:33:49 stassats`: Would you be willing to share your rtorrent gui? 22:34:00 well, it's on github, as always 22:34:13 ah, /stassats/ is your github nick? 22:34:20 well, naturally 22:34:26 :) 22:35:53 it's slowly progressing, but it already can be used to augment the default rtorrent interface 22:36:02 because it has a search function 22:36:10 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.102.71.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:36:14 Does it require your qt-ui, too? 22:36:19 yes 22:36:22 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable019.12-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 22:36:37 -!- sigi-ntb_ [~sigi@host-213-189-171-252.brutele.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:37:59 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-66-65-55-75.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:38:57 stassats: Loopless 2.0 is not anywhere on my list of priorities, though Loopless 1.5 is. But my priorities have shifted erratically for the n'th time, now what I want to do is make a "real" website, so I'll dig out my old "web framework" stuff to generate a nice static site with my old template... in the process I thought I'd quicklispify my old projects. 22:38:59 *stassats`* likes his new status-bar, it's so cool to see changing numbers 22:39:06 Hm. qt will not compile here. :( 22:39:32 antoszka: go to its directory and issue qmake && make manually 22:39:50 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-109-247.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:40:04 thx 22:41:02 perhaps asdf should include error output on failure, because i'm tired of giving that advise 22:41:44 Ah, I'm missing smoke.h 22:41:48 been there, forgot. 22:42:33 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 22:42:43 although sometimes g++ blows into so much incomprehensible horror it'll probably hang emacs 22:42:53 but why this: (sb-ext:run-program "cmd" (list "/c" (concatenate 'string "wgnuplot \"C:/maxout.gnuplot\" -")) :search t) is different from this: (sb-ext:run-program "cmd" (list "/c" (concatenate 'string "wgnuplot C:/maxout.gnuplot -")) :search t) ? I mean the \" shouldn't be a problem in principle 22:43:36 why do you have concatenate there? 22:44:53 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:45:10 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 22:45:33 stassats: By the way, I'd like your opinion on an eventual replacement for FORMAT: http://paste.lisp.org/display/128010#4 (unfortunately the example doesn't have some things like ((~D :width 8 :pad-char #\0))) but well... you get the idea. 22:45:37 -!- Ashii [~Ashii@c-2457e255.246-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:46:13 I added it, shoudln'be there; but still a difference in behavior in 22:46:13 ("wgnuplot \"C://maxout.gnuplot\" -") with and without the \" 22:47:40 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 22:48:46 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@80.249.86.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:50:10 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-43-130.cascadeaccess.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:50:13 -!- wildnux [~wildnux@69.199.88.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:50:20 -!- jkantz [~jkantz@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:51:28 -!- kilon_alios [~kilon@athedsl-411236.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:52:14 -!- dcguru [~chatzilla@66.129.60.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:56:03 stassats`: Oops, seems like I messaged the wrong nick, not sure if you got that. (See above.) 22:56:14 rgrinberg [~rudi@24-52-246-61.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 22:56:25 yeah, i got it 22:56:45 Oh, ok. So?... No opinion whatsoever? 22:57:11 none 22:57:37 Great! Could have been worse. Thanks! 22:58:36 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable019.12-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 22:59:46 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.65] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:02:26 antoszka: so, were you able to run it? 23:03:27 stassats`: Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out how to make use of it. Any hints? 23:03:30 chu` [~mathew.ba@CPE-58-165-252-158.lns1.civ.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 23:03:52 it's not read yet, so, no uses so far 23:03:55 stassats`: Does it attach to a running rtorrent instance? Launch it's own? Where does it listen for files? 23:04:11 it attaches to a running instance 23:04:19 -!- felipe [~felipe@unaffiliated/felipe] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:04:49 listening to files is another feature, independent of the GUI 23:05:11 ok, i'll try to tell rtorrent to listen for connections, mine doesn't seem to currently. 23:05:20 you need to enable xml-rpc 23:05:28 I got that, afaik. 23:05:43 http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/wiki/RTorrentXMLRPCGuide 23:05:44 Hm, no in *that* build. One moment. 23:05:49 s/no/not/ 23:06:05 i use it with lighttpd 23:06:07 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.213.162] has joined #lisp 23:06:26 ok. 23:06:59 -!- chu` is now known as chu 23:08:18 -!- wakeup [~wakeup@p5DE8FC80.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:08:38 wakeup [~wakeup@p5DE8FC80.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 23:09:43 -!- ZabaQ [~johnfredc@ip-89-176-173-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:09:55 -!- zophy [~zophy@ipv6postoffice.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 23:09:57 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-43-130.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 23:10:57 zophy [~zophy@ipv6postoffice.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #lisp 23:11:27 drwho [~drwho@216-122-174-206.gci.net] has joined #lisp 23:12:39 stassats`: you know, I find it pretty hilarious that I wrote cxml-rpc just for communicating with rtorrent (: 23:12:45 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.76.223] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12:52 (never got to use it for that purpose though) 23:13:41 neither did i, i use s-xml-rpc 23:14:12 i found it first and then i like not having to specify types 23:15:23 -!- BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:16:51 oh you should be able to get by without types in most cases 23:16:53 but oh well 23:17:57 BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:17:58 antoszka: oh, i forgot that i had to patch s-xml-rpc to get it working 23:18:16 it's a very small aptch 23:18:49 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 23:19:02 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.152.109] has joined #lisp 23:19:04 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 23:19:09 stassats`: Why is there a need for a webserver in between? Can't lisp just talk to rtorrent over xmlrpc directly? 23:19:09 i'm not sure if i'll be able to get it upstream, maybe i'll switch to cxml-rpc after all 23:19:47 -!- guther [guther@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-kiupcdtlqigdjczp] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:19:50 (: 23:19:59 -!- drwho [~drwho@216-122-174-206.gci.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:20:00 antoszka: rtorrent doesn't provide xmlrpc directly, as far as i surmise 23:20:03 antoszka: nope, that's the magic of xml-rpc 23:20:12 sooo many things in between 23:20:23 although of course you can implement scgi or whatnot 23:20:44 to be properly hardcore, indeed 23:21:10 it's lisp, tonight we reimplement the world 23:21:19 Huh. I don't think it's worth setting up in my case. 23:21:51 i had lighttpd before, so it was a non-issue to me 23:22:27 Yeah, I'm currently not running a webserver on my laptop. 23:22:38 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:23:34 just wait until somebody implements scgi interface for Lisp 23:23:50 -!- Farzad [~farzadbek@46.225.98.207] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:23:59 and by that time rtorrent-controller gui would actually be useful 23:28:30 can we control torrents from lisp these days? 23:28:48 -!- saschakb_ [~saschakb@p4FEA0D6E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28:52 somewhat 23:29:04 cbp` [~user@187.193.228.84] has joined #lisp 23:31:38 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@77.109.97.229.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:31:38 -!- vairav [~vairav@209.49.23.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:31:59 stassats`: anywhere in particular i should check for that? 23:32:28 what exactly do you want to do with torrents? 23:32:59 theBlackDragon [~dragon@77.109.97.229.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #lisp 23:33:07 drwho [~drwho@216-122-174-206.gci.net] has joined #lisp 23:33:10 currently you can decode them using bencode 23:33:19 and talk to rtorrent using xml-rpc 23:33:42 i generally only use download/share/continue of preuploaded torrent files. but perhaps it'd be nicer to control them from a repl. 23:35:13 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:36:00 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 23:37:12 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:38:59 vairav [~vairav@pfsense.hackerdojo.com] has joined #lisp 23:43:23 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.106.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:46:21 KDr2 [~kdr2@123.120.154.160] has joined #lisp 23:48:48 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:51:06 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:52:57 -!- vairav [~vairav@pfsense.hackerdojo.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:54:04 is it an error to declare a recursive function as inline? 23:54:10 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.152.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:54:52 it's not something you should do 23:55:05 not a brilliant idea 23:55:18 -!- KDr2 [~kdr2@123.120.154.160] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:55:37 thing is, the recursive call is an edge case, but it might occur. 23:55:38 but sbcl will warn you about it, IIRC it has a recursive inline limit of 200 23:55:44 fe[nl]ix: correct 23:56:36 fe[nl]ix: *inline-expansion-limit* is the variable which indicates how much inlining may occur (set to 200 by standard) 23:58:31 as this is generated by a macro, i could do all harmless inlining by hand. but that doesn't feel right either. 23:59:54 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]