00:00:23 actually, I don't think I have it. I thought I'd seen it recently, but it was probably one of his genera videos. 00:00:36 -!- Guest12457 [~syrinx_@ip68-1-175-223.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Changing host] 00:00:36 Guest12457 [~syrinx_@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has joined #lisp 00:01:35 -!- Guest12457 is now known as syrinx_ 00:01:36 (it's taking a really extraordinary amount of time for the find command to complete) 00:02:34 -!- MrBiz is now known as MrBusiness 00:03:42 -!- ArmyOfBruce [~bmitchene@waywardmonkeys.com] has quit [Quit: I shouldn't really be here - dircproxy 1.0.5] 00:04:05 ArmyOfBruce [~bmitchene@waywardmonkeys.com] has joined #lisp 00:06:39 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 00:07:01 I am having a problem with usocket that somebody else had 3 years ago: http://paste.lisp.org/display/69051 00:07:15 Frozenlo`: sorry, turns out I don't have a copy of it anymore. 00:07:22 I guess it is conflicting with something, but I don't know what it really means 00:07:52 And btw, why is there so much lisp related videos in the quicktime format? 00:08:06 hefner: thanks anyway 00:08:11 Frozenlo`: I think they're created by mac users. 00:08:12 I have dsl-in-lisp.mov, it will take ~40 min to upload to my VPS 00:08:46 yes dsl-in-lisp is of a mac environment 00:08:58 Intensity [1RlKwavoGr@unaffiliated/intensity] has joined #lisp 00:09:06 spacebat: Yay! :D Would it be easier to just help seeding the torrent? 00:09:17 sure 00:09:25 what's the torrent URL 00:10:14 puchacz: do you have a compatibility package loaded in as well? Say via iolib? 00:10:37 pkhoung: what compatibility package? I am using quicklisp 00:10:41 echo-area [~user@123.120.240.233] has joined #lisp 00:10:54 puchacz: a compatibility package for usocket. 00:11:15 pkhoung: have you got its quicklisp's name? 00:11:28 iolib, I suppose. 00:11:56 iolib does not contain an usocket compatibility package 00:12:07 and there are many of them 00:12:11 I just checked 00:12:12 Good then. 00:12:19 spacebat`: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:D433D0CB2796273D975ED8AF76300905EEBB1776 00:12:42 This happens when a package by that name already exists, but the export lists don't match. Typically, that's caused either by two different definitions for the same package (e.g. compatibility packages) 00:12:54 d'oh, I don't know how to use a magnet link 00:13:27 as if an old usocket was already present in the image and a new one got loaded 00:13:37 ok, I will search for a string "usocket" in my homedir 00:13:44 Otherwise I found it here http://torrentz.eu/7d66faa89c051a58eabb2cc9787a14f5587ac7d3 00:13:53 or by packages that call EXPORT to programmatically add symbols to the list. But, since asdf doesn't reload code gratuitously, that's usually not an issue. 00:14:14 But that you would upload it is already really kind, jsut use what's easier for you 00:14:43 pkhuong: it stops (require 'my-package) on a clean installation. I will try to find it 00:15:00 puchacz: try loading usocket in a fresh image; it might just be caused by wonky timestamps. 00:15:56 Kron_ [~Kron@98.143.98.242] has joined #lisp 00:16:04 pkhuong; it worked, now loading my package 00:16:47 Frozenlo`: I'm seeding from via the torrent link on this page http://www.torrentreactor.net/torrents/142333/dsl-in-lisp-mov 00:16:52 humasect [~humasect@d24-235-185-182.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #lisp 00:17:34 spacebat`: thanks, downloading naow :D 00:18:39 -!- Kron [~Kron@199.91.215.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:18:47 it says it can't find the tracker, if it doesn't work I'll make it available directly 00:21:56 kgadek [~Konrad@62.121.148.46] has joined #lisp 00:29:16 LiamH [~healy@pool-74-96-10-77.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:29:18 sousousou [~bcarmer@host-72-174-54-175.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net] has joined #lisp 00:31:07 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-74-96-10-77.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:32:06 puchacz: isn't this warning due to EXPORT forms? sbcl complains when the package exports symbols not listed in the defpackage :export expression. 00:32:22 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-191-73.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 00:34:13 puchacz: I just published com.informatimago.common-lisp.data-encoding.ecp, which could be used to add parity and checksum to data blocks so that error-correction of single byte errors is possible. 00:34:29 puchacz: (ql:quickload :com.informatimago.common-lisp) so that you get all you need. 00:35:01 -!- nitro_id_ [~nitro_idi@EM49-252-101-230.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:35:35 By the way, 2012 is the year the Minitel service is shut down :-) 00:37:33 -!- humasect [~humasect@d24-235-185-182.home1.cgocable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41:28 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.137.100] has joined #lisp 00:44:46 pkhuong, pjb: requiring :usocket, :yaclml and :ucw-core manually before my package on a fresh image worked. 00:44:48 it seems messy 00:45:00 as of consistency checking, thank you very much :) 00:45:34 but I am already almost done with my data migration and I am using a byte from md5. not cheap, but works 00:46:23 xan_ [~xan@94.139.48.100] has joined #lisp 00:47:43 is nil of type cons initially, when i say (setf m nil) and then use m to push some elements of a list onto it ? 00:48:42 like in (dolist (j '(a b c d)) (push j m)) ? 00:49:29 or is the list structure created when the first push is done ? 00:49:38 -!- niko [~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko] has quit [Changing host] 00:49:38 niko [~niko@ubuntu/member/ubuntu-fr-irc] has joined #lisp 00:50:11 -!- niko [~niko@ubuntu/member/ubuntu-fr-irc] has quit [Changing host] 00:50:11 niko [~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko] has joined #lisp 00:54:07 (consp nil) => NIL (lisp nil) => T 00:54:20 (listp nil) => T even 00:54:36 ah ok 00:55:44 homie: notably, contrarily to conses, NIL is immutable. Therefore functions like DELETE cannot mutate it, therefore you must use them as (setf list (delete item list)). 00:56:13 This is what the macro PUSH does. 00:56:23 ok 00:56:30 (push j m) == (setf m (cons j m)) 00:56:35 is (write ...) the same as (format ... "~S" ...) 00:56:39 modulo not evaluating m twice. 00:56:52 puchacz: write takes a lot of key arguments. 00:57:10 The default values of these key arguments are the various *print-* variables. 00:57:19 So it's not necessarily the same as "~S". 00:57:37 clhs write 00:57:45 so how am I to write a lot of sexps into a file? 00:58:04 to be read later? 00:58:20 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Quit: brb, unborking XML. If you see this, /msg afterdeath hi] 00:58:37 (let ((*print-pretty* nil)) (with-open-file (out "file.data" :direction :output :if-does-not-exist :create :if-exists :supersede) (loop for sexp in a-lot-of-sexps do (print sexp out)))) 00:59:00 pjb: thx 00:59:13 (with-open-file (in "file.data") (loop with eof = (gensym) for sexp = (read in nil eof) until (eql sexp eof) collect sexp)) 00:59:27 thx 00:59:30 -!- vairav [~vairav@74-95-6-5-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:59:45 puchacz: or use the accessor COM.INFORMATIMAGO.COMMON-LISP.CESARUM.FILE:SEXP-FILE-CONTENTS 00:59:57 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 01:00:19 sounds like a package I would like to look at 01:00:39 (setf (SEXP-FILE-CONTENTS "file.data" :if-does-not-exist :create :if-exists :supersede) a-lot-of-sexps) and (setf a-lot-of-sexps (SEXP-FILE-CONTENTS "file.data")) 01:01:17 You have it in quicklisp or https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/com-informatimago/trees/master/common-lisp 01:01:24 great 01:03:00 drwho [~drwho@152-123-174-206.gci.net] has joined #lisp 01:04:04 pnathan [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has joined #lisp 01:04:22 -!- ghuntley_ [~ghuntley@14-200-9-232.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:05:08 -!- eulyix [~charles@host86-154-220-210.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: To iterate is human, to recurse divine] 01:05:50 Katniss_ [~Katniss@24.144.9.150] has joined #lisp 01:06:57 bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 01:07:02 madnificent: http://core.ubermonkey.net/dsl-in-lisp.mov 01:07:57 -!- Katniss [~Katniss@24.144.9.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:08:46 all credit to lispm for making the video 01:08:59 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-022.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:10:00 pnq [~nick@ACA24527.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 01:10:14 -!- pnathan [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:10:54 Katniss [~Katniss@24.144.9.150] has joined #lisp 01:11:01 ghuntley [~ghuntley@14-200-9-232.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 01:11:35 -!- Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:12:56 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 01:12:57 -!- Katniss_ [~Katniss@24.144.9.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:14:11 -!- chemuduguntar [~ravi@118-92-31-169.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:15:49 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.137.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:18:30 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:18:57 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 01:21:30 -!- oGMo_ is now known as oGMo 01:24:09 -!- xan_ [~xan@94.139.48.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:24:43 monxx [~monx@ool-18bc4a28.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 01:24:50 -!- monxx [~monx@ool-18bc4a28.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:25:24 monxx [~monx@ool-18bc4a28.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 01:26:30 vairav [~vairav@74-95-6-5-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 01:37:37 fantasticsid [~user@178.18.16.11] has joined #lisp 01:44:34 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:51:54 mburke [~max@S0106000c41f2f3de.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 01:51:56 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:52:34 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 01:52:52 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:53:16 with sbcl is there a way to view the specific type of a value? for example, to tell if a value is a vector of (unsigned-byte 8) versus a vector of fixnum? 01:54:20 Success! 01:54:30 So with quicklisp, I (ql:quickload "foobar") and it downloads foobar and loads it, and if it's already downloaded, it loads it? 01:54:40 Yup 01:54:42 Isn't it nice? 01:54:54 So basically, the only dependency I need in my program is quicklisp itself? 01:55:03 Yeah 01:55:08 Nice. 01:55:16 Isn't it? 01:55:24 It's very convenient. 01:55:26 mburke: type-of. 01:55:33 Yeah 01:55:43 On my earlier note 01:56:00 I was asked to write a crash-course-on-Lisp 01:56:10 (probably not the BEST way to learn, but...) 01:59:41 -!- gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:59:48 gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 01:59:50 perfect, thanks! 02:03:06 deftly [~oxlike@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 02:06:45 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA24527.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:08:39 Joreji [~thomas@65-179.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 02:09:15 -!- kgadek [~Konrad@62.121.148.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:13:35 -!- Joreji [~thomas@65-179.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:15:10 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-012.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 02:20:00 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:20:18 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A5054.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:20:54 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 02:22:09 -!- nialo- [~nialo@ool-45733eb2.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:26:26 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129044143.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:31:01 nitro_id_ [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-191-73.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 02:31:24 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-191-73.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:34:49 startling [~startling@c-71-228-12-226.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:35:02 -!- startling [~startling@c-71-228-12-226.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has left #lisp 02:35:24 JuniorRoy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has joined #lisp 02:37:32 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-012.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:38:12 Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:38:21 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-142-184.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 02:39:10 Kron [~Kron@69.166.23.225] has joined #lisp 02:39:20 -!- Kron [~Kron@69.166.23.225] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:39:30 Kron [~Kron@69.166.23.225] has joined #lisp 02:40:25 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-2.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:41:42 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@98.143.98.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:42:09 -!- yan___ is now known as yan_ 02:43:09 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl6-183-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 02:43:26 Aethaeryn : also, try out quickproject 02:44:39 Yuuhi` [benni@p5483A966.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 02:45:49 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483C38F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:50:38 -!- vairav [~vairav@74-95-6-5-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:50:51 -!- yoklov [~yoklov@137.99.226.92] has quit [Quit: computer sleeping] 02:55:59 -!- Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:01:07 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:16 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:04:54 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 03:09:46 -!- mburke [~max@S0106000c41f2f3de.vc.shawcable.net] has left #lisp 03:16:22 teggi [~teggi@123.21.156.9] has joined #lisp 03:16:43 -!- ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 03:19:34 -!- _stink__ is now known as _stink_ 03:19:54 ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #lisp 03:20:08 -!- wildnux [~wildnux@cpe-72-182-70-190.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 03:22:54 wildnux [~wildnux@cpe-72-182-70-190.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:23:35 Kron_ [~Kron@199.91.213.7] has joined #lisp 03:23:46 -!- fantasticsid [~user@178.18.16.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:25:20 fantasti` [~user@178.18.16.11] has joined #lisp 03:25:51 -!- Kron [~Kron@69.166.23.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:29:01 Cosman246 [~user@c-50-135-152-107.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:29:17 -!- rvirding [~chatzilla@c213-89-147-188.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 9.0.1/20111220165912]] 03:29:25 -!- fantasti` [~user@178.18.16.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:35:44 LiamH [~healy@pool-74-96-10-77.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:36:09 p_l|backup [~pl@089-101-208053.ntlworld.ie] has joined #lisp 03:38:44 -!- Cosman246 [~user@c-50-135-152-107.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:38:50 if i use the apt-get slime installer then i really don't need to do much setup for slime do i? 03:39:09 quazimodo: no, then you're getting yourself in a world of hurt 03:39:16 It's better to use quicklisp to install slime. 03:39:33 rule of thumb - distro packages do *not* work 03:39:33 I assume the apt-gettable slime would work ok with an apt-gettable version of lisp 03:39:45 spacebat`: that would be sane in a saner world 03:39:47 but I agree with p_l 03:40:35 the only lisp package I accept from my distro (Arch64), which is already less invasive than Debian, is SBCL, CLISP and ECL :) 03:41:48 -!- monxx [~monx@ool-18bc4a28.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:42:50 Cosman246 [~user@c-50-135-152-107.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:44:51 I've just read BLP 03:45:10 BLP? 03:45:16 Bipolar Lisp Programmer 03:46:03 ah 03:46:15 and "Lisp Curse" 03:47:29 Cosman246: I don't remember them well, but you'll get some of that the moment you nearly write your own database engine from scratch 03:47:59 doubly so if it will be *not* RDBMs, but won't be a k/v store like most of the "noSql" craze 03:48:00 hey, it's just data structures, right? 03:48:19 some of what? 03:48:25 being a BBM ? 03:48:45 hefner: it gets weirder when you reach for things like PACELC (IMHO better than CAP theorem), replication, etc ;) 03:48:53 ..big, bearded man? 03:49:30 hefner: I think it's a gateway drug to being one ;) 03:49:45 hah 03:49:57 hefner: BLP:BBM 03:50:31 *p_l* meanwhile is just bearded, and not that much 03:50:51 at 172cm you can only go for "big" in width or in japan 03:50:54 ;) 03:51:14 Any advice for including tests of internal symbols? Just use ::? 03:51:31 austinh: I think so 03:52:04 By the way, what's the common opinion of Qi here? 03:52:35 That's probably a better idea than Clojure. 03:52:43 yeah 03:52:55 pjb: It is 03:53:05 But it's no longer FOSS 03:53:19 and has clunky addition of syntax in some areas 03:53:22 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@78-0-254-59.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:54:12 I think something better can be made 03:56:11 yoklov [~yoklov@24-177-5-183.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #lisp 03:56:11 kennyd [~kennyd@78-1-148-131.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 03:56:39 Qi became Shen 03:56:47 -!- ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has quit [Quit: ddp] 03:57:18 Shen is also not FOSS 03:58:03 At least, I don't think it is 03:58:05 it has its own license which seems kindof permissive 03:58:13 http://shenlanguage.org/license.html 03:58:30 Seems vaguely Mozilla-ish 03:58:43 even BSD/MIT require that you ship the agreement with the binaries 03:58:55 *Cosman246* shrugs 03:58:58 OK, yay! 03:59:07 I wonder if it's in the ql repo 03:59:21 I don't think it uses CL anymore 03:59:49 ayushj [~ayushj@c-50-135-152-107.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:00:34 oh wait, it does 04:00:58 first clisp, now being ported to sbcl, then scheme and javascript 04:00:58 Shen runs on CL 04:01:03 It plans to...yeah 04:01:29 I hope it's embeddable 04:01:33 I just remember reading his rants about CL and thought he was starting again from assembler or summat 04:03:13 wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 04:08:17 https://github.com/kruhft/cl-active-variables : just thought i would share a little project I did 04:09:16 Katniss_ [~Katniss@24.144.9.150] has joined #lisp 04:11:11 -!- Katniss [~Katniss@24.144.9.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:13:30 simplechat [~simplecha@123-243-79-139.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 04:13:31 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@123-243-79-139.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 04:13:31 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 04:15:14 -!- Cosman246 [~user@c-50-135-152-107.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:18:28 -!- ayushj [~ayushj@c-50-135-152-107.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:20:51 Katniss [~Katniss@24.144.9.150] has joined #lisp 04:21:53 Cosman246 [~user@c-50-135-152-107.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:22:38 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.27.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:22:44 -!- Katniss_ [~Katniss@24.144.9.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:24:18 ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has joined #lisp 04:24:50 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-74-96-10-77.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:25:24 ayushj [~ayushj@c-50-135-152-107.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:27:33 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.49.59.167] has joined #lisp 04:29:18 -!- wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:29:48 -!- dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:29:49 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:31:44 dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:33:34 -!- syrinx_ [~syrinx_@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has quit [Quit: all we are saying; is give peace a chance.] 04:34:09 kami`` [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has joined #lisp 04:34:57 gaidal [~gaidal@59.41.114.5] has joined #lisp 04:38:19 -!- kami` [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:42:09 -!- JuniorRoy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:43:31 kruhft: looks useful, and reminds me a bit of cells 04:47:46 spacebat`: looked at the video (thanks again). I was pulling my hair off because the author wasn't using emacs :P 04:50:20 oh yeah, I guess its allegro or lispworks 04:50:43 bbl 04:50:54 nialo [~nialo@ool-45733eb2.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 04:52:15 syrinx_ [~syrinx_@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has joined #lisp 04:56:08 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:57:52 JuniorRoy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has joined #lisp 04:58:14 em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 05:00:52 -!- kruhft [~user@S0106002401f331bd.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:01:09 -!- j_king_ [~jking@mortar.walled.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:02:20 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-45733eb2.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:03:34 -!- Fade [~fade@outrider.deepsky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:03:43 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.49.59.167] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 05:09:16 ... Now let's create some data. Since programmers like pizza, we will populate a rectangular area around the Franz Inc. office with a quarter million pizza shops, each with a name and a random longitude and latitude. <-- hehehehehe 05:12:27 anon119 [~androirc@141.sub-75-210-214.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 05:14:12 -!- anon119 [~androirc@141.sub-75-210-214.myvzw.com] has quit [Client Quit] 05:14:27 -!- totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:16:03 Fade [~fade@outrider.deepsky.com] has joined #lisp 05:17:20 totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:22:10 -!- Fade [~fade@outrider.deepsky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:26:13 -!- totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:26:43 -!- nitro_id_ [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-191-73.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:29:33 -!- gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [] 05:30:54 sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has joined #lisp 05:34:29 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-142-184.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:36:40 j_king [~jking@mortar.walled.net] has joined #lisp 05:37:47 redrover [47229e07@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.34.158.7] has joined #lisp 05:38:32 Fade [~fade@outrider.deepsky.com] has joined #lisp 05:39:36 totzeit [~kirkwood@64.9.146.64] has joined #lisp 05:40:46 jbiesnecker [~textual@183.194.68.236] has joined #lisp 05:42:09 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:47:44 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 05:47:46 lnostdal_ [~lnostdal@80.203.136.124] has joined #lisp 05:52:10 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:53:37 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 05:58:35 -!- jbiesnecker [~textual@183.194.68.236] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 05:58:59 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.235.212] has joined #lisp 06:02:29 -!- echo-area [~user@123.120.240.233] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:02:49 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:03:13 pnathan [~Adium@75.87.254.38] has joined #lisp 06:04:03 -!- benny [~benny@i577A1DE2.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:05:21 -!- wildnux [~wildnux@cpe-72-182-70-190.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:05:42 -!- msponge [~msponge@18.189.103.48] has quit [Quit: msponge] 06:06:21 wildnux [~wildnux@cpe-72-182-70-190.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 06:08:00 msponge [~msponge@18.189.103.48] has joined #lisp 06:10:01 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 06:11:46 mlm__ [~mlm@pool-96-255-227-156.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:14:03 -!- j_king [~jking@mortar.walled.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:14:19 j_king [~jking@mortar.walled.net] has joined #lisp 06:15:31 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:16:46 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 06:18:11 -!- mlm__ [~mlm@pool-96-255-227-156.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:21:57 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:23:24 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 06:24:11 asvil [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has joined #lisp 06:24:23 -!- pnathan [~Adium@75.87.254.38] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:25:12 -!- redrover [47229e07@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.34.158.7] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:26:14 redrover [~oconnor@71-34-158-7.clsp.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 06:35:26 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:41:12 jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-26.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:42:13 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.137.100] has joined #lisp 06:45:08 -!- kami`` [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:46:24 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:47:55 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:48:12 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 06:48:55 -!- Cosman246 [~user@c-50-135-152-107.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:51:03 -!- ayushj [~ayushj@c-50-135-152-107.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:51:27 -!- wildnux [~wildnux@cpe-72-182-70-190.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:52:21 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-159-85.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:52:39 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 06:53:26 MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-146-133.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 06:53:56 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@59.41.114.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:56:50 benny [~benny@i577A135E.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 06:59:53 -!- BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:00:59 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:01:07 BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:02:37 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 07:03:11 rvrebane [~rvrebane@78-28-109-246.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has joined #lisp 07:03:35 vairav [~vairav@c-98-207-170-37.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:05:06 jack_rabbit [~Jack@arh2088.urh.uiuc.edu] has joined #lisp 07:07:03 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:09:10 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-2.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 07:10:01 -!- jjkola_work [c064748e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.116.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:16:53 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 07:20:50 -!- yoklov [~yoklov@24-177-5-183.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit [Quit: computer sleeping] 07:23:54 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-222-19.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 07:24:18 decaf [~mehmet@95.10.126.180] has joined #lisp 07:24:44 -!- decaf is now known as Guest27749 07:27:02 -!- Guest27749 [~mehmet@95.10.126.180] has quit [Client Quit] 07:27:54 decafbad [~mehmet@95.10.126.180] has joined #lisp 07:28:20 -!- decafbad is now known as Guest58466 07:28:41 -!- Guest58466 [~mehmet@95.10.126.180] has quit [Client Quit] 07:28:54 karaktersizpaco [~mehmet@unaffiliated/decaf] has joined #lisp 07:29:26 -!- karaktersizpaco is now known as decaf 07:29:49 -!- spacebat` [~user@150.101.97.47] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:30:06 spacebat` [~user@150.101.97.47] has joined #lisp 07:30:19 -!- alvis [~alvis@tx-184-5-64-249.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:31:33 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl6-183-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:32:29 araujo [~araujo@190.73.44.29] has joined #lisp 07:32:38 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.73.44.29] has quit [Changing host] 07:32:38 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 07:34:12 hhh [7418ea10@gateway/web/freenode/ip.116.24.234.16] has joined #lisp 07:34:25 alvis [~alvis@tx-184-5-64-249.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 07:35:11 which mail list of lisp is popular 07:36:01 mishoo_ [~mishoo@89.41.212.159] has joined #lisp 07:36:47 there probably are email frontends to the usenet lisp group, but there are also implementation-specific lists, and cl-pros 07:37:39 slime-devel for slime, sbcl-devel for sbcl, ecls-list for ecl... 07:38:32 but probably avoid comp.lang.lisp 07:41:21 cnl [~cnl@94.231.123.31] has joined #lisp 07:42:11 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 07:43:44 comp.lang.lisp is good 07:52:35 -!- cnl [~cnl@94.231.123.31] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:55:00 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@199.91.213.7] has quit [Quit: Kron awayyy!] 07:57:26 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 07:57:26 No, don't avoid news:comp.lang.lisp. Pleinty of knowledgeable lispers will answer only on news:comp.lang.lisp 07:57:35 Myself for example. 08:01:53 Athas [1000@193.191.52.94] has joined #lisp 08:04:14 you answer in here. 08:05:31 -!- vairav [~vairav@c-98-207-170-37.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:08:34 Wow... car/cdr/cons are really kind of beautiful in recursion. 08:08:46 So many OOP solutions to the exact same problem are... ugly. 08:09:26 How the hell can people put up with algorithms without car/cdr/cons/cond? 08:09:48 Aethaeryn: they can 08:10:00 don't worry, honeymoon will pass ;) 08:10:00 holycow [~start@69.172.160.67] has joined #lisp 08:10:08 p_l|backup: yeah, but the car/cdr/cons/cond is rather... mathematical. 08:10:13 As opposed to, well, ugly engineering hacks. 08:10:40 well, single-linked list is quite nice structure 08:11:17 How about other data structures? Do they have more beautiful implementations than Java's equivalent? 08:11:48 I must tear apart Lisp data structures. Any good (free) reference? 08:12:14 The Lisp way is so... different. It's like seeing something for the first time. 08:12:23 Aethaeryn: not necessarily. But you might find yourself annoyed when you need to go back to java and you can't use CLOS 08:12:40 Aethaeryn: mainly because you probably got a rather... bad set of things to compare with 08:13:15 p_l|backup: eh, Greenspun's tenth rule. I could always implement some basic Lisp in Java if I have to. ;-) 08:13:27 -!- ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has quit [Quit: ddp] 08:16:06 p_l|backup: at any rate, comp sci in Lisp seems a lot more serious for a math major like me than comp sci in Java. 08:16:19 Java kinda seems like a joke to get everyone to pass, rather than a way to learn the concept. 08:16:49 Aethaeryn: ahhh... Java courses are a different breed altogether 08:17:11 I remember suggesting to my school to make a compulsory assembly-level course in first year, even if not required to pass 08:17:21 francogrex [~user@109.130.90.222] has joined #lisp 08:17:39 what does this give on your implementation: http://paste.lisp.org/display/127513 ? 08:17:42 p_l|backup: Yes, I was just thinking about next time I take a comp sci course, if I could get away with implementing a very minimal Lisp to make the algorithms prettier. 08:18:04 or if the graders wouldn't like that :-P 08:18:26 ("Why do you have a car() in your program? Meaningful variable names please! -10" 08:18:26 Aethaeryn: probably won't like it 08:18:43 Aethaeryn: car() looks better than "SaveTheWorldAndWinTheGirl()" 08:19:01 *p_l|backup* got a little crazy near the end of a certain exam in first year.... 08:19:12 TheFurtherRemovedFromJavaIAm, TheLessIWriteInCamelCase. 08:19:18 Because who the hell can read it? 08:19:36 Aethaeryn: Glasses mode in emacs 08:20:32 francogrex: on Allegro Enterprise 64bit => T 08:21:27 francogrex: SBCL amd64 as well 08:21:47 p_l|backup: on my sbcl it gives an error div by zero! 08:22:15 weird 08:22:18 p_l|backup: the problem with Java is that it seems to be more a test of IDE usage and vocabulary memorization ("encapsulation", "has a", "multiple inheritance") than a test of skill. 08:22:33 SBCL 1.0.52 08:22:52 A good employer shouldn't care what you call it (unless you're writing extensive documentation or something) as long as it runs 08:23:01 francogrex: I've got 1.0.54 08:23:14 Aethaeryn: 90% is crap. Get used to it 08:23:32 ok I will try to update sbcl 08:23:51 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.21.156.9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:24:10 p_l|backup: eh, the worst thing is trying to explain to the average student how I don't like Eclipse/Java and how verbose, repetitive, restrictive, etc., syntax that requires an IDE or cut-and-paste just feels... wrong. 08:25:09 I found Lisp rather by accident. It seems to be the anti-java. 08:25:47 not that much 08:26:03 Recursive algorithms are just far more beautiful in Lisp than in Java's style of rigid OOP, and until I saw some in Lisp today, I never realized it. 08:26:04 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.90.222] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:32:44 sezo [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has joined #lisp 08:35:13 -!- toekutr [~user@50-0-51-2.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:35:57 Aethaeryn, you never cut and paste? 08:39:10 fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-178-002-106-244.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 08:40:05 Whitesquall [~notwhites@213.87.130.193] has joined #lisp 08:41:02 http://paste.lisp.org/display/127516 08:41:11 what exactly is going on here? having trouble wrapping my head around it 08:41:25 -!- fiveop_ [~fiveop@dslb-178-002-124-079.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:41:36 jewel: Sorry, I meant to say that Java in school seems to encourage "copy and paste". Killing and yanking makes sense to organize code. I mean to say that when you have something like public static void main(String[] args) { System.out.println("Hello world"); } you're going to encourage not actually typing it all out. 08:41:37 it's from practical common lisp 08:42:25 and the fact that I know that all from memory means that I've wasted valuable space in my brain just because Java likes to be verbose. :-P 08:42:57 sezo: the function "where" returns a closure that takes single parameter (the cd record to test) which it then tests against the options that were arguments to "where" 08:43:22 sezo: basically, it builds a temporary function that SELECT can use while linearly scanning the database 08:44:02 good morning everyone 08:44:07 'morning 08:44:22 :D 08:44:50 *p_l|backup* wonders if his normal server will reach loadavg of 20k before admin reboots it 08:45:22 (at 6:11 it breached 9000) 08:46:13 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:48:07 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 08:52:44 -!- bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:53:05 p_l so code in lambda is not executed while i call where 08:53:52 ? 08:53:53 sezo: no, the function object is returned to select, which calls it in a loop scanning the database 08:54:16 it basically returns a function that serves as predicate 08:54:43 ok clear now 08:56:26 kilon [~kilon@ppp-94-64-190-99.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 08:58:53 -!- loke [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:59:27 hagish [~hagish@p5DCBD7EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 09:01:10 -!- Athas [1000@193.191.52.94] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01:28 -!- holycow [~start@69.172.160.67] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:03:39 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:05:11 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 09:07:21 -!- Katniss [~Katniss@24.144.9.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:11:48 loke [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 09:12:05 re 09:13:05 Katniss [~Katniss@24.144.30.60] has joined #lisp 09:17:34 -!- hhh [7418ea10@gateway/web/freenode/ip.116.24.234.16] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:17:46 -!- Vutral [~ss@2a01:198:35a::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:19:28 -!- zophy [~zophy@host-5-150-220-24.midco.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:19:44 xan_ [~xan@94.139.51.40] has joined #lisp 09:20:54 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:20:59 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:21:04 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:22:30 bioevolgenec [~bioevolge@unaffiliated/bioevolgenec] has joined #lisp 09:23:16 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 09:23:58 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 09:28:05 sezo, i'm not far ahead of you :) 09:28:17 based on the code you pasted 09:30:54 nialo [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 09:34:51 Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #lisp 09:35:56 zophy [~zophy@host-5-150-220-24.midco.net] has joined #lisp 09:36:54 -!- Katniss [~Katniss@24.144.30.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:37:09 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:39:18 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 09:41:11 Katniss [~Katniss@24.144.30.60] has joined #lisp 09:42:57 vantage|home [~vantage@12.204-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 09:44:04 bjonnh [~bjonnh@2a01:e35:8a53:8940:21e:64ff:fe84:8986] has joined #lisp 09:48:09 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:49:22 ngz [~user@239.242.24.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 09:49:28 hba [~hba@189.130.16.123] has joined #lisp 09:50:16 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 09:51:24 hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 09:52:58 leo2007 [~leo@123.123.253.22] has joined #lisp 09:54:49 dtw [dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 09:55:10 -!- kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:55:55 kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has joined #lisp 09:58:34 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:00:12 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 10:02:05 -!- Whitesquall [~notwhites@213.87.130.193] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:48 -!- xan_ [~xan@94.139.51.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:03:00 xan_ [~xan@94.139.48.100] has joined #lisp 10:04:19 -!- Frozenlo` [~user@cable-quebec-15.246.173-179.electronicbox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:06:18 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:07:27 -!- djinni` [~djinni`@li125-242.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:08:07 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 10:09:09 ehu` [ehu@193.191.53.238] has joined #lisp 10:12:47 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-50-021.cascadeaccess.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:15:08 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:17:02 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 10:17:33 -!- xan_ [~xan@94.139.48.100] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:18:24 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:19:04 -!- jack_rabbit [~Jack@arh2088.urh.uiuc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:20:48 djinni` [~djinni@li125-242.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 10:21:11 -!- loke [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:21:29 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:22:43 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 10:22:44 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.161.170] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:23:32 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.161.170] has joined #lisp 10:27:53 zanahorio [~hahehihoh@69.232.27.77.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 10:27:54 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:27:54 vonn [~vonn@cpe-74-77-10-75.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 10:28:36 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 10:29:28 loke [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 10:30:43 -!- zanahorio [~hahehihoh@69.232.27.77.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Client Quit] 10:32:09 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-50-021.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 10:32:18 -!- msponge [~msponge@18.189.103.48] has quit [Quit: msponge] 10:33:19 -!- vonn [~vonn@cpe-74-77-10-75.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:34:37 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:36:31 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 10:36:46 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 10:39:28 -!- maxm- [~user@p84-72.acedsl.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:47:28 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:49:30 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 10:49:33 is there something like format that outputs to string 10:50:25 sezo: (format nil "..." ...) => returns string 10:52:09 -!- hba [~hba@189.130.16.123] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:53:05 ah ty 10:53:45 sezo: you also have with-output-to-string macro which you can use to rebind *standard-output* 10:54:28 don't quite understand what you mean 10:55:43 (with-output(with-output-to-string (*standard-output*) (format t "Hello!")) <--- catches everything written to *standard-output* into a string and returns it 10:56:09 -!- ehu` [ehu@193.191.53.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:57:12 (with-output-to-string (str) .. ) creates a str stream that outputs to string. if you put *standard-output* as a variable name you're redirecting *standard-output* to string stream 10:57:38 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:59:02 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 10:59:24 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 11:00:14 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-191-127.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:03:39 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:04:07 catches anything written to stdout surrounded by that construct? 11:04:40 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 11:04:58 sezo: you can imagine it as temporarily replacing the stream designed by *standard-output* with another, and returning it back to normal when it exits 11:05:47 thats nifty 11:08:45 scottj [~scott@206.212.250.58] has joined #lisp 11:10:38 it worked even if i called my function that prints to stdout 11:11:08 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:12:16 -!- segfault_ [segfault@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/x-xmmqhurxzhuplegf] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:12:29 (defun hello () (format t "Hello")) (with-output-to-string (*standard-output*) (hello)) 11:12:35 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 11:12:36 *standard-output* is dynamically bound; within such a form the new value will be held inside any call inside the form 11:12:38 -!- p_l [plasek@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/x-jqppgevaozculzvt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:12:38 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 11:12:38 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 11:13:12 google the difference between global/dynamic vs lexical binding 11:16:05 Sbidicuda [~antani@host188-225-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 11:16:44 -!- kmcorbett [kmcorbett@clozure-9FE07BBF.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quit] 11:16:44 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quit] 11:18:28 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:20:29 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 11:22:28 -!- peccu1 [~peccu@ZU207071.ppp.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:24:19 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 11:25:19 daniel [~daniel@p5082ABF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:26:45 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:26:49 -!- daniel__ [~daniel@p5082BA83.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:28:22 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 11:29:14 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:29:59 ehu [ehu@193.191.53.238] has joined #lisp 11:30:35 xan_ [~xan@193.191.36.252] has joined #lisp 11:31:19 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 11:34:16 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 11:35:23 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:37:03 -!- sezo [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has quit [Quit: quit] 11:37:16 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 11:37:30 peccu1 [~peccu@ZL195204.ppp.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 11:38:09 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:40:28 -!- djinni` [~djinni@li125-242.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:41:07 francogrex [~user@109.130.90.222] has joined #lisp 11:41:22 is the developer of ABLE around? 11:41:42 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:42:13 phil? 11:42:37 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 11:42:38 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 11:42:38 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 11:44:56 pnq [~nick@172.162.223.202] has joined #lisp 11:47:14 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.172.57] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:47:54 osa1 [~sinan@31.140.29.205] has joined #lisp 11:48:49 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:50:33 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 11:52:06 frx [~redmundia@mail.madito.es] has joined #lisp 11:54:02 djinni` [~djinni@li125-242.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 11:55:01 mathrick [~mathrick@176.22.159.198] has joined #lisp 11:55:28 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-31-211.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:56:44 -!- xan_ [~xan@193.191.36.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:56:51 hello. having very weird problem. I have a system that depends on cl-who. I was getting "The name "WHO" does not designate any package" condition. then I cleared all asdf cache, and it works - until I change the .lisp file in question. then I get the same error, and I have to either clear cache again, or load my system twice (so that it's succesfuly loaded) 11:57:19 after I load it twice (and my system is cached), it works until I make changes to the file again 11:57:54 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-146-133.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: brb] 11:58:09 -!- Guest28547 [~root@li129-64.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:59:00 tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.172.57] has joined #lisp 12:00:45 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:02:32 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 12:02:38 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 12:02:38 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 12:02:54 hi, pjb, are you around? 12:03:04 I tried (ql-dist:system-apropos "ecp") 12:03:07 and I got nil 12:05:04 -!- ehu [ehu@193.191.53.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:08:10 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.90.222] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:08:38 -!- osa1 [~sinan@31.140.29.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:09:07 MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-146-133.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 12:09:39 puchacz, do you need pjb to answer? 12:11:03 Guest28547 [~root@li129-64.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 12:11:35 kilon_alios [~kilon@athedsl-410862.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 12:12:31 frx: what did you evaluate when you got that WHO error? 12:12:42 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-50-021.cascadeaccess.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:12:47 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:13:04 I loaded the system 12:14:31 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 12:14:44 -!- kilon [~kilon@ppp-94-64-190-99.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:15:03 frx: How? 12:15:33 (asdf:load-system :system) 12:16:34 frx: What does the system file look like? 12:16:42 paste.lisp.org is a good place to share 12:18:35 mathrick_ [~mathrick@2.110.124.3] has joined #lisp 12:18:41 http://paste.lisp.org/display/127518 12:20:21 dtw: pjb said he uploaded a library with this name 12:20:24 yesterday 12:20:30 so best if he answered :) 12:20:35 I can't replicate the problem if I create new project. so I must be doing something weird, but I can't see what 12:20:37 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@176.22.159.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:20:53 frx: what do you mean by "clear all asdf cache"? 12:20:53 ehu [ehu@193.191.53.238] has joined #lisp 12:20:58 How do you do that? 12:21:00 com.informatimago.common-lisp.data-encoding.ecp I guess 12:21:06 I'm deleting the cache files manually 12:21:19 frx: What does that mean? 12:21:45 puchacz: pjb uploading something somewhere does not mean it is in quicklisp. 12:22:10 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128174150.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 12:22:25 Xach: I had an impression he was talking about ql 12:22:28 but no worries 12:22:31 I'm deleting all the files in cache/sbcl.../ 12:22:34 I will ask him when he is back 12:22:52 frx: what does main.lisp look like? 12:24:41 it defines find-ads-main package, followed with (in-package :find-ads-main). then I can delete everything but a single function that is using who package and I'll get that error 12:25:14 frx: Sorry, I meant more like "paste the file" 12:25:44 can be easier for troubleshooting than paraphrasing sometimes 12:27:08 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:27:36 -!- kilon_alios is now known as kilon_away 12:27:38 -!- ehu [ehu@193.191.53.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:28:17 -!- kilon_away [~kilon@athedsl-410862.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28:30 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 12:29:15 http://paste.lisp.org/display/127518#1 12:30:03 I'm getting same error with that stripped down file. but if I create another identical fresh system I'm not getting errors 12:30:16 ok. that is pretty strange. looks fine to me. 12:33:12 -!- scottj [~scott@206.212.250.58] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:35:26 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-50-021.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 12:35:41 francogrex [~user@109.130.90.222] has joined #lisp 12:35:49 -!- a7p [a7p@9.83.238.89.in-addr.arpa.manitu.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:36:43 Hi in (sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die "exe" :executable t :toplevel 'func), how to include asdf libraries in the core of the executable? 12:37:53 a7p [a7p@9.83.238.89.in-addr.arpa.manitu.net] has joined #lisp 12:37:59 -!- Sbidicuda [~antani@host188-225-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:38:29 -!- totzeit [~kirkwood@64.9.146.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:39:53 compile the asdf libs, load all fasls at once ? 12:40:31 ehu [ehu@193.191.53.238] has joined #lisp 12:40:43 but the asdf is loaded in the image before I run the save lispo and die 12:40:56 the libs I mean 12:41:04 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:41:07 I thought the core would take then in 12:41:10 if it's already loaded those will be in the core 12:41:13 -!- a7p [a7p@9.83.238.89.in-addr.arpa.manitu.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:41:19 wait is that true ? 12:41:29 not in my experience 12:42:04 rswarbrick [~rswarbric@cl-1290.lon-02.gb.sixxs.net] has joined #lisp 12:42:24 for example sb-posix is not in the core of the exe 12:42:31 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 12:42:38 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 12:42:38 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 12:43:11 a7p [a7p@9.83.238.89.in-addr.arpa.manitu.net] has joined #lisp 12:43:28 Hi guys: Quick question about asdf. Is there an easy way to add a .asd file on the fly? I'm trying to make a debian package for a library that loads up the code to make its documentation. So I need to find "../blah.asd" and then run some code. Any ideas? 12:43:40 look at this pls: http://paste.lisp.org/display/127519 12:43:50 I can't seem to get initialize-source-registry to do what I'm after. 12:44:48 -!- a7p [a7p@9.83.238.89.in-addr.arpa.manitu.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:46:49 a7p [a7p@9.83.238.89.in-addr.arpa.manitu.net] has joined #lisp 12:48:22 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:49:15 quek [~ancient@h210-253-209-222.ms01.itscom.jp] has joined #lisp 12:50:25 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 12:51:31 anyone ? 12:52:10 -!- quek [~ancient@h210-253-209-222.ms01.itscom.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:52:29 quek [~ancient@h210-253-209-222.ms01.itscom.jp] has joined #lisp 12:52:40 francogrex: I'm affraid I just see a paste. Nothing more. what do you want me to see? 12:53:20 if it's possible to include the libraries in a standalone sbcl executable 12:53:57 francogrex: sure. build a new image after loading the libraries. 12:54:42 totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:54:50 somehow the image is not fine (as you see in my code) it still asks the path to the fasl files! 12:58:19 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:58 gaidal [~gaidal@59.41.114.5] has joined #lisp 13:01:00 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:02:28 actually, I don't see that. 13:02:29 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@59.41.114.5] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:02:44 funkyfoo [75d37b3e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.117.211.123.62] has joined #lisp 13:03:24 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:03:29 Kron_ [~Kron@199.91.213.7] has joined #lisp 13:03:38 -!- funkyfoo [75d37b3e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.117.211.123.62] has left #lisp 13:06:55 rswarbrick: add its path to asdf:*central-registry* 13:07:08 rswarbrick: The other source registry stuff does not make it easy to extend the registry a little bit. 13:07:24 Oh, is it that easy? Right, I'll try again. 13:07:29 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:08:35 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-61-131.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 13:08:37 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:09:06 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 13:09:51 Great, thanks! 13:13:08 WARNING: Saving cores with alien definitions referring to non-static foreign symbols is unsupported on this platform: references to such foreign symbols from the restarted core will not work. You may be able to work around this limitation by reloading all foreign definitions and code using them in the restarted core, but no guarantees. 13:14:05 I wonder if it's because of that 13:14:08 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:14:10 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:14:18 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 13:14:29 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:14:34 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-61-131.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:14:45 yes 13:15:05 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-61-131.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 13:15:13 when i get ffi things into play, my saved cores always die 13:15:18 i mean the images 13:15:27 throwing me into the ldb 13:15:40 and ffi seems to be using alien stuff too 13:16:12 hmm yes so that's a bugger 13:16:23 so don't use ffi using libs 13:16:32 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:16:33 in your image 13:16:39 load them afterwards 13:17:24 and there maybe some more using alien structs and what not, i don't know all the libs 13:17:33 go with pure lisp ones.... 13:17:59 it's a good idea, I'll work around it like that 13:18:32 and get the image size right 13:18:48 give them on the command-line ans use :save-runtime-options t too 13:19:14 --dynamic-space-size blah and --control-stack-size blah thing 13:19:18 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:19:23 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 13:19:24 those will be remembered that way 13:19:26 Sbidicuda [~antani@host188-225-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 13:19:29 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-61-131.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:20:04 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128174150.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:20:35 maybe, that they are working on a new fasl format ? 13:20:41 lol 13:23:07 mlm__ [~mlm@pool-96-255-227-156.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:24:31 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.200.45] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 13:25:55 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:26:55 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:26:56 mathrick__ [~mathrick@2.105.240.78] has joined #lisp 13:29:32 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:30:28 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@2.110.124.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:30:55 gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:31:22 mathrick [~mathrick@2.105.240.78] has joined #lisp 13:31:47 -!- mathrick__ [~mathrick@2.105.240.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:31:53 -!- quek [~ancient@h210-253-209-222.ms01.itscom.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:37:19 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 13:37:23 hi 13:38:03 Hi theos 13:38:36 :) can you suggest me a decent book to learn common lisp? 13:38:49 -!- ehu [ehu@193.191.53.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:38:54 I quite like Practical Common Lisp for that purpose 13:38:56 http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ 13:39:39 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:39:42 nice --> "that book is dead sexy Xach on #lisp" 13:39:54 thanks both of you! 13:40:03 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:41:01 paul0 [~paul0@187.112.88.212] has joined #lisp 13:41:30 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-035.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 13:41:31 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:42:16 -!- kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:43:59 -!- frx [~redmundia@mail.madito.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:44:00 It IS dead sexy 13:44:13 theos, i'm going through it now. currently on chapter 4: syntax and semantics 13:45:49 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:46:59 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.123.253.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:51:49 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:53:28 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:55:05 kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has joined #lisp 14:00:19 -!- kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has quit [Quit: return 0;] 14:03:06 i'm currently on chapter 2.. well, it takes probably a little time more to get used to emacs.. 14:03:29 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:04:04 krake [~krake@pC19F7E14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:04:09 samuel [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 14:04:15 ah nice :) 14:05:27 -!- bioevolgenec [~bioevolge@unaffiliated/bioevolgenec] has left #lisp 14:05:27 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 14:06:45 -!- samuel is now known as samebchase 14:06:55 samebcha1e [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 14:10:14 ska [~s|k|a@93.126.217.82] has joined #lisp 14:10:41 -!- ska is now known as Guest572 14:14:25 looks like clisp is a universal language :) 14:14:31 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:14:38 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:15:16 -!- samebcha1e [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:15:46 LiamH [~healy@pool-74-96-10-77.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:15:50 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16:02 -!- Guest572 [~s|k|a@93.126.217.82] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 14:16:25 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 14:17:59 theos, CLISP is an implementation of Common Lisp (CL). 14:18:34 dtw, by clisp i meant common lisp :D 14:18:47 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:19:05 theos, don't, use CL to refer to the language. 14:19:12 -!- pnq [~nick@172.162.223.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:19:26 i wont from now on :) 14:20:18 so common lisp (CL) is not a language? is it known as a dialect instead? 14:20:30 kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has joined #lisp 14:21:41 theos: no, CL is the language, "clisp" refers to GNU CLISP, an implementation 14:21:45 Common Lisp (CL) is a language which should be referred to as "Common Lisp" or "CL", but definitely not as "clisp" 14:21:53 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:21:59 oh 14:22:26 i missed the comma up there :/ thanks 14:22:41 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 14:23:07 -!- acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:24:26 hmm. GNU CLISP - an ANSI Common Lisp Implementation 14:26:33 acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has joined #lisp 14:26:45 asvil` [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has joined #lisp 14:27:03 -!- asvil` [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:27:59 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-61-131.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:28:36 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:30:07 -!- Dodek [dodek@nolajf.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:30:21 maxm- [~user@p84-72.acedsl.com] has joined #lisp 14:30:34 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 14:30:53 maxm-- [~user@p84-72.acedsl.com] has joined #lisp 14:30:53 -!- maxm-- [~user@p84-72.acedsl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32:32 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-61-131.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:33:46 -!- mlm__ [~mlm@pool-96-255-227-156.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:35:33 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:35:42 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 14:36:37 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 14:37:09 -!- kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:37:59 kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has joined #lisp 14:40:56 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:41:49 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-26.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43:52 meta-physicist [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 14:44:32 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 14:48:15 rudi [~rudi@cm-84.208.89.228.getinternet.no] has joined #lisp 14:48:44 aanandc [~user@14.96.204.46] has joined #lisp 14:48:51 Dodek [dodek@nolajf.pl] has joined #lisp 14:49:28 pnathan [~Adium@75.87.254.38] has joined #lisp 14:49:42 -!- Dodek [dodek@nolajf.pl] has left #lisp 14:50:14 Dodek [dodek@nolajf.pl] has joined #lisp 14:50:38 I do wonder sometimes why we're not all hanging out on #cl 14:50:47 tritchey_ [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:51:01 h0x00 [~Ivoc@91.207.42.52] has joined #lisp 14:51:52 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.90.222] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:53:17 because we do get people all the time reasonably wanting to talk about any old lisp 14:53:46 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:53:46 -!- tritchey_ is now known as tritchey 14:54:19 Interlisp! NLAMBDA sounds fun 14:54:27 jewel [~jewel@196.215.168.240] has joined #lisp 14:55:24 I thought this place was a trap to convert people to CL. 14:55:36 I haven't noticed it working. 14:55:42 we convert with fire and sword 14:55:56 and string-upper 14:56:37 ! 14:57:09 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:57:09 #cl seems to be registered, but almost entirely unused 14:57:21 maybe it's for Chileans :p 14:58:31 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 14:58:38 _mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 15:00:03 theos: ? 15:01:17 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@2.133.36.211] has joined #lisp 15:01:18 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@2.133.36.211] has quit [Changing host] 15:01:18 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:01:28 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:05:19 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 15:05:49 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.161.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:06:14 pchrist_ [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 15:07:29 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:09:04 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@2.105.240.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:09:24 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:10:31 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 15:10:44 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.137.80] has joined #lisp 15:10:59 gz` [~gz@209-6-49-85.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 15:12:21 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:12:21 -!- gz [~gz@209-6-49-85.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:13:02 blackwol` [~blackwolf@ool-45763eb0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 15:13:56 -!- lnostdal_ [~lnostdal@80.203.136.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:14:24 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-383623.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 15:14:29 -!- blackwolf [~blackwolf@ool-45763eb0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:14:45 phao [phao@177.26.94.152] has joined #lisp 15:14:57 is there anyway to make ECL give me better error messages? =) 15:15:03 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 15:15:10 You could edit the source code. 15:15:22 Of course, but not that. 15:15:33 -!- meta-physicist [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:16:03 You could ask someone else to edit the source code. 15:16:04 (setf ext:*enable-useful-eror-messages* t) 15:16:14 phao, you get better OS error messages if you use IOLIB.SYSCALLS library. 15:16:15 Failing that you could read the documentation and see if someone already did. 15:16:23 SidH_ [~SidH_@122.172.17.28] has joined #lisp 15:17:56 rudi, are you serious? 15:18:01 gaidal [~gaidal@59.41.114.5] has joined #lisp 15:18:10 ECL takes inspiration from SBCL's tradition of being useless below (debug 3) and carries it to new extremes. 15:18:16 hmm, typo, sorry 15:21:29 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:23:24 rudi, I tried (setf ext:*enable-useful-error-messages* t) 15:23:30 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 15:23:39 got an error (cannot find external symbol *enable ... ) 15:24:10 ok ok I was joking ... but I admit that error message was useful 15:24:22 =) 15:25:31 CL is supposedly a good language for dynamic development but I find SBCL's debugger and backtrace mostly useless. 15:25:36 kilon_alios [~kilon@athedsl-403457.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 15:26:04 why ? 15:26:04 And SBCL's (step ...) is useless too. 15:26:29 because of the gensym obfuscation ? 15:27:09 I suspect that it's because people who are into lisp enough are generally over the debugger hump already. 15:27:10 hefner, anyway I can force the debugger to work at level 3? 15:27:13 The backtrace is full of internal stuff and STEP does not actually step on usefull way. It skips too much. 15:27:49 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-383623.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:28:09 dtw: Interpreters can be structured in a way that make them easy to step & debug. SBCL doesn't have an interpreter like that. 15:28:18 Yeah, the error condition and message is usually enough, though. 15:28:28 dtw: I've never used it seriously, but I've heard Allegro CL's interpreter is very amenable to debugging like that. 15:28:38 phao: you need to make sure your code is compiled at debug 3, e.g. (declaim (optimize (debug 3))) at the top of the file 15:28:39 and clisp too I think. 15:29:56 hefner, it didn't help for the kind of error I had. 15:30:13 I was typing some code, and forgot the function name in defun (copying from a book) 15:30:26 *hefner* shrugs 15:30:30 then I got strange error messages. 15:30:54 *hefner* hasn't used ECL recently. 15:31:38 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:32:04 -!- bjonnh [~bjonnh@2a01:e35:8a53:8940:21e:64ff:fe84:8986] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:05 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@59.41.114.5] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:49 -!- kilon_alios [~kilon@athedsl-403457.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:34:20 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-320166.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 15:36:04 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:37:32 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:37:39 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:37:39 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 15:39:28 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 15:39:34 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@199.91.213.7] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:39:48 Kron_ [~Kron@199.91.213.7] has joined #lisp 15:41:02 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:41:26 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 15:42:38 Is it possible to define how many stages SBCL's backtrace shows when the debugger is disabled? 15:45:56 wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 15:46:18 dtw: I don't think so. You can replace the backtrace with something else though. 15:46:27 Via sb-ext:*invoke-debugger-hook* 15:46:33 -!- Neronus_ is now known as Neronus 15:47:36 Xach, thanks. I'll study it more. 15:49:12 gaidal [~gaidal@59.41.114.5] has joined #lisp 15:49:24 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Quit: http://www.cyphase.com/] 15:49:43 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:49:44 osa1 [~sinan@31.140.13.4] has joined #lisp 15:50:52 teggi [~teggi@123.21.156.9] has joined #lisp 15:52:06 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:52:07 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:52:07 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 15:53:18 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:57:34 -!- wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:57:45 -!- SidH_ [~SidH_@122.172.17.28] has quit [Quit: SidH_] 15:58:28 wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 16:01:08 -!- maxm- [~user@p84-72.acedsl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:02:29 -!- a7p [a7p@9.83.238.89.in-addr.arpa.manitu.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04:36 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:05:25 a7p [a7p@9.83.238.89.in-addr.arpa.manitu.net] has joined #lisp 16:05:33 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:06:40 -!- a7p [a7p@9.83.238.89.in-addr.arpa.manitu.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:10 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 16:08:45 HG` [~HG@dsbg-d9bb1b2c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 16:09:21 -!- HG` [~HG@dsbg-d9bb1b2c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:09:42 HG` [~HG@dsbg-d9bb1b2c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 16:11:09 a7p [UNKNOWN@9.83.238.89.in-addr.arpa.manitu.net] has joined #lisp 16:11:37 -!- a7p [UNKNOWN@9.83.238.89.in-addr.arpa.manitu.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:11:43 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:13:26 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:13:28 a7p [UNKNOWN@9.83.238.89.in-addr.arpa.manitu.net] has joined #lisp 16:13:47 -!- krake [~krake@pC19F7E14.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:38 -!- a7p [UNKNOWN@9.83.238.89.in-addr.arpa.manitu.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:41 maxm- [~user@p84-72.acedsl.com] has joined #lisp 16:16:30 a7p [a7p@9.83.238.89.in-addr.arpa.manitu.net] has joined #lisp 16:16:39 man I can't beleive this, was running nvidia gt 7600 for 3 years, 6 month uptimes, finally the fan on it started screeching. Apparently gt 7600 is ancient history, so figuring lower end nvidia card should be as good as 3 year old top card, I bought PNY gt 210 16:16:39 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@59.41.114.5] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:17:08 gaidal [~gaidal@59.41.114.5] has joined #lisp 16:17:11 Do you use it for CL-GPU? 16:17:31 big mistake, this POS overheats and freezes the machine daily (did all the obvious things as full suse kernel update, latest nvidia drivers) 16:17:37 Xach: no just stumpwm and emacs 16:17:38 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@59.41.114.5] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:03 gaidal [~gaidal@59.41.114.5] has joined #lisp 16:18:15 and performance is bad, I actually started oprofile to debug my emacs, coz dired buffer was taking around 4 second to redraw when you switch windows 16:18:42 maxm-: /join #hardware 16:18:50 msponge [~msponge@18.189.103.48] has joined #lisp 16:18:51 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@59.41.114.5] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:52 question about latex and common lisp, does anybody compile cltl second edition latex sources? 16:19:01 finally noticed all cpu usage is in X, found that nvidia-settings has "adaptive performance" option, and apparently the GT 210 downclocks itself to very low clock, and everything redraws really slow 16:19:27 when I choose "maximum performance", everything is fast, but machine freezes usually within 10-15 hours of use 16:19:38 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:19:57 Xach: you there? 16:20:15 sykopomp: yea I'll shut up... Just had to vent a bit :-) 16:20:39 hi loke 16:20:42 Hi 16:20:47 I started working on a readme 16:20:59 ok! 16:21:12 Xach: are you interested in looking at integrating the project into QL? 16:21:21 http://code.google.com/p/cl-gdata/source/browse/ 16:21:26 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:21:27 asvil: it's available as .ps or .dvi, why do you want to compile it from sources? 16:21:40 francogrex [~user@109.130.90.222] has joined #lisp 16:23:25 daimrod: I think about tranlating some chapters from it and want to do text in similiar style as much as possible 16:23:37 translating* 16:23:45 loke: Sure, if you open a github issue it will help me remember 16:24:30 Hmm, where do i do that? :-) 16:24:33 I'm not agit user 16:25:00 maxm-: since you're using stumpwm, you should be able to set the performance level of the nvidia card dynamically, following the needs of X, I'd guess. 16:25:26 asvil: oh ok, though I remember having some problems when compiling dpANS3R from sources 16:26:26 loke: it's in the faq 16:26:33 OK, thanks :-) 16:26:34 pjb: nah, I can't live like this.. /me made a mistake, if no one advices me otherwise I think I'll just buy another 7600 GT, apparently they are still sold 16:27:21 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-191-127.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:29:33 vervic [~vervic@88.116.134.106] has joined #lisp 16:30:56 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-035.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:31:47 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-035.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 16:32:53 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:34:27 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:34:31 meh, none GT 7600 nearby.. a store in manhatten has gtx 520, 540, 550, 560.. If anyone running linux box with any of these and its stable, I would appreciate a "I have this, and its ok" 16:34:34 Xach: done 16:34:43 maxm-: so the lesson is not to by cheap video cards. 16:35:02 solussd [~solussd@user-0cdvten.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 16:35:42 just downloaded cl-ppcre. I'm running ClozureCL on OSX. Could someone point me in the right direction to install cl-ppcre? 16:35:43 I have a GPU 0: GeForce GTX 460 (UUID: N/A) which seems to work well. 16:35:54 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-191-127.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:35:56 solussd: Quicklisp 16:35:57 (I use emacs/X and flightgear with it). 16:36:27 Runs 24/7 too. 16:36:48 -!- HG` [~HG@dsbg-d9bb1b2c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:37:18 bjonnh [~bjonnh@2a01:e35:2420:ea0:21e:64ff:fe84:8986] has joined #lisp 16:37:18 pjb: ah thanks. Hopefully 5xx series is close enough to that. Which brand you got, evga? 16:37:40 loke: thanks 16:40:44 maxm-: I don't remember, some random brand the integrator put in it. 16:41:21 -!- msponge [~msponge@18.189.103.48] has quit [Quit: msponge] 16:43:58 ale` [~user@dynamic-adsl-84-221-179-209.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 16:46:33 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:46:49 -!- decaf [~mehmet@unaffiliated/decaf] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:47:16 maxydido [54fc0ea4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.252.14.164] has joined #lisp 16:48:29 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:48:49 hi, I'm having problems when quickloading hemlock.qt, could anyone load it successfully? (it gives an error on [package sugiyama]) 16:49:19 Sometimes dependencies are missing. Try loading sugiyama first. 16:51:09 wildnux [~wildnux@cpe-72-182-70-190.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:51:12 -!- vert2 [vert2@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-jdazhmihlgwyimwi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:51:20 -!- maxydido [54fc0ea4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.252.14.164] has quit [] 16:54:51 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:55:04 ale`: What error? 16:55:34 pjb: sugiyama doesn't appear to be a quickload-ablesystem, it's a lisp file part of the hemlock.qt system 16:56:14 Xach: Error while trying to bind key #: "test" is not a defined command. Error while trying to bind key #: "Project Graph" is not a defined command. 16:56:23 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:56:36 *Xach* doesn't know, sorry 16:57:32 Xach: do you think using another cl implementation can help (using sbcl here)? 17:01:27 Anyone have any direct experience with SPARTNS? 17:01:54 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:02:21 sparse matrix lib 17:02:25 erm. quick lisp is magic 17:02:31 didn't use it yet 17:02:33 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:02:38 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:02:38 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:02:46 well, loaded it once or so, but didn't come to use it i mean 17:02:48 -!- gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [] 17:02:59 -!- vervic [~vervic@88.116.134.106] has quit [Quit: vervic] 17:03:59 solussd: Yes. ASDF (the package system doing the heavy lifting behind the scenes) is a bit different if you're not used to it 17:04:06 So quicklisp is very nice indeed 17:04:58 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:05:03 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05:08 Well, in my implementation of the Google Spreadsheets API, I'm currently loading it into a 2D array. There are lots of unset cells in a typical spreadsheet (usually at the right and below the content), so spartns might be helpful 17:05:21 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 17:05:26 So should I spend the time to reqork the code? 17:07:49 ale`: it built for me with sbcl on linux 17:08:37 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:08:50 loke: Is your program too heavy on memory? How big are the tables usually? How sparse is sparse? What is the usual access pattern? 17:09:57 Neronus: The table size is the size of the spreadsheet you want to manipulate, so a large one would be on the order of a few hundred times a few thousand (possibly tens of thousand) 17:10:01 I mean, if you have a 10000x10000 array of 32bit pointers, that's already ~100MB I think; and if only 1% of those cells is set, then it may be worth the overhead 17:10:24 Access pattern would be either randon or sequential, depending on application (this is, after all, a generic library) 17:10:25 the overhead of saving sparsely, I mean 17:10:27 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:10:40 tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has joined #lisp 17:11:46 Neronus: that's hard to say. again depends on the actual content. However, the sparseness usually comes on the right-hand side of the spreadsheet. Even if I have a sheet with only a couple of columns, it will be stored as 20 cells wide 17:12:10 In my experience (matrices) getting a sparse matrix implementation right is not that difficult. I would suggest using the power of CLOS and having at least two backends. The one you use currently and a sparse one 17:12:30 Neronus: mm. good point 17:14:29 I'll keep the array implementation for now, and consider a sparse version if I actually see an issue with it 17:14:30 And there are many ways in which you can implement a sparse matrix. I would go with two versions: 1 using hashes and 1 using CSC or CSR 17:14:31 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14:45 Neronus: spartns allos one to choose implementation as well 17:14:46 hashes, of course, are terrible for sequential access 17:14:48 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.172.57] has quit [Quit: tensorpudding] 17:14:59 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 17:15:07 so if I go for sparse, spartns seems to be good 17:15:38 I just realised something that may change the conclusion though 17:15:51 and that is? 17:16:14 I actually start out with an empty array, and the function that loads the cells has a range parameter that allows you to only load a select range 17:16:40 The natural thing to do would be to have the uploaded cells sparse 17:17:12 however, (and here is where spartns can't help me). I actually have two types of "empty" cells. Unloaded, and empty. 17:17:21 I'd like to be able to collapse both 17:17:57 Right now I just have two different symbols, :UNLOADED and :EMPTY in the array 17:18:16 -!- alvis [~alvis@tx-184-5-64-249.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:21:37 Ah, you don't download the complete spreadsheetat once... Then CSC or CSR are hard to do 17:22:02 In that case, why not leave the sparse matrix implementation until it actually becomes a problem and leave it as simple as you can? 17:22:49 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:23:27 -!- CrazyThinker [~CrazyThin@unaffiliated/crazythinker] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:23:38 Neronus: yeah, that's what I have, actually :-) 17:23:44 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:24:07 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:25:28 Thanks for the input 17:25:30 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:25:41 loke: You're welcome 17:26:15 Well, it's late. Time to sleep 17:27:01 CrazyThinker [~CrazyThin@unaffiliated/crazythinker] has joined #lisp 17:27:07 So, swank sets cl:*debugger-hook* to its own swank:swank-debugger-hook function. How can I prevent that? 17:28:29 dtw: Isn't that the main reason to use slime? 17:28:39 loke, no. 17:28:50 dtw: OK 17:29:24 swank:*global-debugger*=nil is supposed to do that but *debugger-hook* is still set. 17:29:38 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.137.80] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.4.1] 17:30:06 Nah, soon its time for lunch 17:30:27 Neronus: no. it's well past midnight 17:30:30 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.200.45] has joined #lisp 17:31:39 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-035.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:31:47 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 17:37:57 -!- tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 17:39:24 bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 17:39:54 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:41:04 phao_ [phao@177.26.75.63] has joined #lisp 17:41:14 -!- phao_ [phao@177.26.75.63] has quit [Client Quit] 17:41:33 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:41:35 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:43:13 -!- phao [phao@177.26.94.152] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:48:04 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:49:02 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 17:49:27 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:49:51 mlm__ [~mlm@pool-96-255-227-156.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:51:55 -!- hagish [~hagish@p5DCBD7EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:52:21 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 17:53:16 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-035.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 17:53:21 ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has joined #lisp 17:53:32 AimHere [~bod@host86-131-203-101.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 17:54:44 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:55:41 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:56:17 Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:57:14 -!- mlm__ [~mlm@pool-96-255-227-156.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:57:25 -!- solussd [~solussd@user-0cdvten.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: solussd] 17:57:49 OK. I changed the swank debugger by force: redefined swank:swank-debugger-hook function. So far I haven't found other means. 18:00:10 -!- bzzbzz_ [~franco@modemcable023.13-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:00:16 asynchrony [~user@adsl-98-65-183-148.dab.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 18:00:27 kilon_alios [~kilon@athedsl-386943.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 18:01:16 MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-8-236-120.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 18:01:30 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.90.222] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:50 kgadek [~Konrad@62.121.148.46] has joined #lisp 18:02:36 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-320166.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:03:55 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-146-133.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:05:22 krrrcks [~dbr@mail.systemhaus-brunner.de] has joined #lisp 18:07:00 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quit] 18:07:12 -!- vantage|home [~vantage@12.204-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:07:43 -!- krrrcks [~dbr@mail.systemhaus-brunner.de] has left #lisp 18:07:59 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-74-96-10-77.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:08:56 H4ns, _3b___: https://github.com/sykopomp/package-local-nicknames/commit/61ad4a482b3cdc3cd4c6d289bd55cd65a1c6919b 18:09:35 https://github.com/sykopomp/package-local-nicknames/blob/master/test.lisp works :3 18:09:57 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:10:31 tritchey [~tritchey@c-24-14-144-32.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:11:44 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 18:11:45 Patterngazer [~Patternga@globulon.pck.nerim.net] has joined #lisp 18:11:56 Adamant [~Adamant@71-22-233-28.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined #lisp 18:11:57 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@71-22-233-28.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:11:57 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 18:16:06 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:16:19 _fable_ [~fable@122-57-59-9.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 18:16:22 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 18:18:12 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:18:29 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 18:19:45 gaidal [~gaidal@59.41.114.5] has joined #lisp 18:19:52 -!- ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has quit [Quit: ddp] 18:21:00 xan_ [~xan@94.139.48.100] has joined #lisp 18:21:42 tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.172.57] has joined #lisp 18:23:13 zmv [~zmv@186.204.150.191] has joined #lisp 18:23:30 -!- rudi [~rudi@cm-84.208.89.228.getinternet.no] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 18:27:10 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:27:23 yoklov [~yoklov@c-76-127-240-20.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:28:48 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 18:35:24 Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 18:35:59 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-035.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:36:56 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-035.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 18:38:08 dnolen [~user@p72-0-226-202-static.acedsl.com] has joined #lisp 18:40:02 rvirding [~chatzilla@c213-89-147-188.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 18:40:58 add^_ [~add^_^@m90-141-44-229.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 18:41:15 -!- yoklov [~yoklov@c-76-127-240-20.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bye!] 18:41:57 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:43:09 -!- Patterngazer [~Patternga@globulon.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Quit: Say What?] 18:43:50 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 18:48:31 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:49:49 ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has joined #lisp 18:54:03 krake [~krake@pC19F7E14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:54:53 kenanb [kenanb@176.54.135.101] has joined #lisp 18:55:25 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.235.212] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:00:24 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:01:47 anyone have an idea why (eval (read-from-string "(myfunc)"))) will work in the repl but not when called inside another function? 19:01:55 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 19:02:31 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.21.156.9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02:32 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@59.41.114.5] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:03:12 gaidal [~gaidal@59.41.114.5] has joined #lisp 19:04:03 it should: 19:04:22 (defun myfunc () 'hi) (defun f () (eval (read-from-string "(myfunc)"))) (f) --> HI 19:04:31 you're in a different package in repl? 19:04:42 msmith: but then it might break, if you change *package* readtable-case, etc. 19:05:54 kennyd nope same package 19:07:29 is cltl-2ed book fully supported by modern lisps, such as sbcl, ecl, allegro, lw? 19:07:49 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:08:51 oh, bad question. is interface, that is described in cltl-2ed book, fully implemented by modern lisps? 19:08:52 asvil: no. 19:09:07 those implementations fully support ANSI CL. CLtL2 is an older language. 19:09:51 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 19:10:07 thanks, and are there many differences between ansi and cltl? 19:10:53 cltl-2ed* 19:11:00 No, there are not a lot of differences. 19:11:07 You can usefully read that book to learn CL. 19:11:27 yes, I found it really simple 19:11:32 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:11:33 The only difference I remember, is that in CLtL2, lambda is not a macro, so you have to write #'(lambda ) instead of merely (lambda ). 19:11:39 decaf [~mehmet@unaffiliated/decaf] has joined #lisp 19:12:08 -!- asynchrony [~user@adsl-98-65-183-148.dab.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:13:51 vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.36.94] has joined #lisp 19:13:51 -!- h0x00 [~Ivoc@91.207.42.52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:04 h0x00 [~Ivoc@91.207.42.52] has joined #lisp 19:14:08 LiamH [~healy@pool-74-96-10-77.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:14:31 asvil: mind you, I even advise reading CL texts to learn emacs lisp, and sicp (which uses scheme for its examples) to learn programming :-) 19:14:42 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-35.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:15:43 burton` [~user@S0106002401f331bd.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 19:15:49 hi, does anyone know the status of being able to make win32 .exe binaries from SBCL via Wine (i.e. not needing an actual windows box to make the win32 versions?) Someone told me it might be coming in a future version of SBCL. 19:16:27 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Quit: Adamant] 19:16:29 -!- xan_ [~xan@94.139.48.100] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:16:30 pjb:) 19:16:32 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-24-14-144-32.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 19:16:40 https://github.com/kruhft/typed-cl a project some might be interested in looking at 19:16:52 -!- burton` is now known as kruhft 19:18:06 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.172.57] has quit [Quit: tensorpudding] 19:19:05 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128174150.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 19:19:29 -!- coyo [kvirc@unaffiliated/bandu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:20:11 I published mirror of modernized html version of cltl2-book and I translated first chapter and if somebody want to learn russian language using common lisp specification, you are welcome. Thanks for [22:32] 19:20:11 *** dto (~dto@pool-96-252-62-35.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined channel 19:20:11 #lisp 19:20:11 *** burton` (~user@S0106002401f331bd.cg.shawcable.net) has joined channel 19:20:13 #lisp [22:33] 19:20:15 -!- kenanb [kenanb@176.54.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:20:16 hi, does anyone know the status of being able to make win32 .exe 19:20:19 binaries from SBCL via Wine (i.e. not needing an actual windows box to 19:20:21 coyo [~unf@pool-71-164-238-90.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:20:21 -!- coyo [~unf@pool-71-164-238-90.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:20:21 coyo [~unf@unaffiliated/bandu] has joined #lisp 19:20:23 make the win32 versions?) Someone told me it might be coming in a future 19:20:26 version of SBCL. 19:20:29 *** Adamant (~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant) has quit: Quit: Adamant [22:34] 19:20:33 *** xan_ (~xan@94.139.48.100) has quit: Read error: Operation timed out 19:20:36 pjb:) 19:20:38 dto: it might be faster to try it out. 19:20:39 *** tritchey (~tritchey@c-24-14-144-32.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has quit: Quit: 19:20:43 tritchey 19:20:43 https://github.com/kruhft/typed-cl a project some might be 19:20:46 interested in looking at 19:20:49 *** burton` (~user@S0106002401f331bd.cg.shawcable.net) is now known as kruhft 19:20:53 *** tensorpudding (~michael@99.56.172.57) has quit: Quit: tensorpudding 19:20:56 [22:35] 19:20:59 ERC> I published mirror of modernized html version of cltl2-book and I translated first chapter and if somebody want to learn russian language using common lisp specification, you are welcome. Thanks for [22:32] 19:21:03 *** dto (~dto@pool-96-252-62-35.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined channel 19:21:06 #lisp 19:21:09 *** burton` (~user@S0106002401f331bd.cg.shawcable.net) has joined channel 19:21:13 #lisp [22:33] 19:21:13 hi, does anyone know the status of being able to make win32 .exe 19:21:16 binaries from SBCL via Wine (i.e. not needing an actual windows box to 19:21:19 make the win32 versions?) Someone told me it might be coming in a future 19:21:23 version of SBCL. 19:21:26 *** Adamant (~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant) has quit: Quit: Adamant [22:34] 19:21:27 woo 19:21:29 can someone kickban asvil? seem's like somebody's bot has run amok 19:21:29 *** xan_ (~xan@94.139.48.100) has quit: Read error: Operation timed out 19:21:33 pjb:) 19:21:36 *** tritchey (~tritchey@c-24-14-144-32.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has quit: Quit: 19:21:39 tritchey 19:21:43 https://github.com/kruhft/typed-cl a project some might be 19:21:43 interested in looking at 19:21:46 *** burton` (~user@S0106002401f331bd.cg.shawcable.net) is now known as kruhft 19:21:49 *** tensorpudding (~michael@99.56.172.57) has quit: Quit: tensorpudding 19:21:53 [22:35] 19:21:56 ERC> I published mirror of modernized html version of cltl2-book and I translated first chapter and if somebody want to learn russian language using common lisp specification, you are welcome. Thanks for [22:32] 19:21:59 *** dto (~dto@pool-96-252-62-35.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined channel 19:22:03 #lisp 19:22:06 *** burton` (~user@S0106002401f331bd.cg.shawcable.net) has joined channel 19:22:08 tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.172.57] has joined #lisp 19:22:09 #lisp [22:33] 19:22:10 quit and reconnect 19:22:13 hi, does anyone know the status of being able to make win32 .exe 19:22:13 binaries from SBCL via Wine (i.e. not needing an actual windows box to 19:22:16 make the win32 versions?) Someone told me it might be coming in a future 19:22:17 -!- diginet [~diginet@adsl-69-153-128-17.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:22:19 version of SBCL. 19:22:23 *** Adamant (~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant) has quit: Quit: Adamant [22:34] 19:22:26 *** xan_ (~xan@94.139.48.100) has quit: Read error: Operation timed out 19:22:30 pjb:) 19:22:32 diginet [~diginet@adsl-69-153-128-17.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 19:22:33 *** tritchey (~tritchey@c-24-14-144-32.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has quit: Quit: 19:22:33 asvil: could you stop it? 19:22:36 tritchey 19:22:40 https://github.com/kruhft/typed-cl a project some might be 19:22:43 interested in looking at 19:22:43 *** burton` (~user@S0106002401f331bd.cg.shawcable.net) is now known as kruhft 19:22:44 /ignore -time 999 asvil!* all 19:22:45 who's an op? 19:22:46 *** tensorpudding (~michael@99.56.172.57) has quit: Quit: tensorpudding 19:22:49 [22:35] 19:22:53 ERC> I published mirror of modernized html version of cltl2-book and I translated first chapter and if somebody want to learn russian language using common lisp specification, you are welcome:) 19:23:07 dtw: thanks 19:23:10 :( sorry 19:23:11 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o fe[nl]ix 19:23:20 -!- asvil [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has been kicked from #lisp by fe[nl]ix (asvil) 19:23:32 -!- ChanServ has set mode -o fe[nl]ix 19:23:41 >_> 19:23:56 what the fuck was he doing? 19:24:09 unhappy copy&paste 19:24:20 looked like a crazed bot to me 19:24:35 There was an ERC prompt, so probably a copypasta mishap 19:24:36 kruhft: ERC 19:24:59 and *that*'s why you shouldn't use ERC :P 19:25:20 irssi has a paste detect and confirm prompt. 19:25:20 zmv: that's why you should use ERC: you can easily patch it to avoid that. 19:26:13 asvil [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has joined #lisp 19:26:16 what is M-x irc bound to in emacs? rcirc? 19:26:24 rcirc 19:26:29 that's what I use...didn't have to set anything up and works fine 19:26:58 sorry, my hand and emacs sometimes do not work well 19:27:15 *hefner* did that once, when he had a glitchy mouse 19:27:52 pjb: ok :) 19:28:05 pjb want to see what im working on ? 19:28:19 -!- maxm- [~user@p84-72.acedsl.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:28:50 maxm- [~user@p84-72.acedsl.com] has joined #lisp 19:29:00 -!- zmv is now known as ed_is_better 19:29:11 -!- ed_is_better is now known as zmv 19:29:25 dto: the game? 19:29:33 Funnily enough, ERC people say that only ever happens in rcirc. 19:29:47 pjb: yes, i've been doing a daily progress video. 19:30:08 -!- zmv is now known as notzmv 19:30:10 unfortunately it's in mp4 so it might require plugins... i should upload an ogv version http://ompldr.org/vY201bA/xalcyon-beta.mp4 19:30:50 Or webm? 19:30:55 :p 19:31:37 hold on Odin- 19:32:01 iu [~iu@host-92-7-109-175.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 19:32:02 dto: not too bad. I'd write "You lose" or "Lost". 19:33:29 pjb: it's a joke on a specific game (armored core) 19:33:35 Odin-: im encoding one now 19:33:49 -!- decaf [~mehmet@unaffiliated/decaf] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:33:50 pjb: sometimes the announcer will say "you lose" 19:34:12 you can always try "lrn2play, dumbass" 19:34:20 pjb: if you win it says "WIN" and plays correspondingly triumphant music :) 19:36:16 it should say 'loose' just to piss everyone off that knows how to spell 19:36:25 hahaha 19:36:51 i like the music 19:38:18 vairav [~vairav@c-98-207-170-37.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:40:13 http://ompldr.org/vY2xyaQ/xalcyon-alpha.mp4 this one shows a WIN, plus some bombs weapon that are not shown in the other vid 19:40:24 and i implemented a purple guy who throws those bombs at you too 19:41:15 phao [phao@177.26.75.63] has joined #lisp 19:41:40 Odin-: i made the webm version but i cant seem to access omploader for a minute 19:42:02 are there any other good similatr sites/ 19:42:04 Jubb [~ghost@pool-72-66-102-48.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:43:14 dto: looks *awesome* 19:44:01 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:44:03 phao_ [phao@177.115.31.96] has joined #lisp 19:44:06 -!- phao_ [phao@177.115.31.96] has quit [Client Quit] 19:44:35 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:44:52 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:44:56 notzmv: 100% common lisp! 19:45:26 :D 19:45:36 slightly messy, but here's the logic for this game, about 1,000 lines: https://raw.github.com/dto/xalcyon.blocky/master/xalcyon.lisp 19:45:44 dto: Dunno. I can watch mp4, was just suggesting a good free alternative, since you mentioned it... 19:45:46 the game engine itself is about 9kloc 19:45:50 Odin-: oh haha. 19:46:05 notzmv: it requires a usb gamepad with dual analog sticks 19:46:12 *Odin-* prefers webm if available, obviously. 8) 19:46:21 want to try it at some point? 19:46:33 vervic [~vervic@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 19:46:45 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75dd84.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 19:46:51 hi 19:47:10 dto: I suck at games, but yeah :D 19:47:14 decaf [~mehmet@unaffiliated/decaf] has joined #lisp 19:47:28 -!- phao [phao@177.26.75.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:49:31 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:50:17 mlm__ [~mlm@pool-96-255-227-156.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:51:19 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 19:51:49 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 19:52:00 -!- maxm- [~user@p84-72.acedsl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:53:07 -!- dtw [dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: +++ATH0] 19:58:00 tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has joined #lisp 19:58:29 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 20:02:16 tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:03:33 -!- wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:05:40 hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:06:12 rudi [~rudi@cm-84.208.89.228.getinternet.no] has joined #lisp 20:10:09 -!- jewel [~jewel@196.215.168.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:10:39 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 20:13:40 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:14:29 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:15:32 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 20:16:44 -!- ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has quit [Quit: ddp] 20:17:11 ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has joined #lisp 20:18:10 -!- ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:19:23 ghoti- [4c1b035d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.27.3.93] has joined #lisp 20:19:42 ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has joined #lisp 20:20:41 asvil` [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has joined #lisp 20:20:48 -!- asvil [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:21:41 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:22:35 -!- hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: hydo] 20:23:27 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 20:24:40 -!- ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has quit [Quit: ddp] 20:25:05 ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has joined #lisp 20:25:23 -!- ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:25:37 -!- asvil` [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:25:46 ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has joined #lisp 20:26:16 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-191-127.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:27:17 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-210-223.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:28:24 -!- iu [~iu@host-92-7-109-175.as43234.net] has left #lisp 20:28:42 humasect [~humasect@d24-235-185-182.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #lisp 20:30:09 -!- decaf [~mehmet@unaffiliated/decaf] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:30:19 milanj [~milanj_@93-86-58-225.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 20:30:40 tandy80 [~angelo@soy95-6-88-168-57-145.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 20:31:35 -!- rudi [~rudi@cm-84.208.89.228.getinternet.no] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 20:32:06 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 20:32:39 killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 20:39:27 -!- ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39:54 ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has joined #lisp 20:41:44 -!- jjkola [~jjkola@xdsl-83-150-83-66.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:42:08 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-35.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:42:29 -!- tandy80 [~angelo@soy95-6-88-168-57-145.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:42:39 decaf [~mehmet@95.10.65.76] has joined #lisp 20:42:51 rudi [~rudi@cm-84.208.89.228.getinternet.no] has joined #lisp 20:43:07 -!- decaf is now known as Guest80190 20:43:40 -!- humasect [~humasect@d24-235-185-182.home1.cgocable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:47:50 -!- ngz [~user@239.242.24.93.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:47:56 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128174150.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:48:53 -!- rudi [~rudi@cm-84.208.89.228.getinternet.no] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 20:49:09 -!- Guest80190 [~mehmet@95.10.65.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:52:13 -!- pchrist_ [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:52:47 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 20:53:41 -!- osa1 [~sinan@31.140.13.4] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:19 Guest80190 [~mehmet@unaffiliated/decaf] has joined #lisp 21:04:45 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:05:02 -!- vervic [~vervic@84.114.246.246] has quit [Quit: vervic] 21:05:55 -!- Guest80190 [~mehmet@unaffiliated/decaf] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:05:56 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08:10 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:08:12 -!- ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has quit [Quit: ddp] 21:11:58 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-178-002-106-244.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: humhum] 21:13:42 hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:16:20 -!- kilon_alios [~kilon@athedsl-386943.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:31 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 21:17:24 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 21:17:33 -!- dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:18:09 Guest80190 [~mehmet@unaffiliated/decaf] has joined #lisp 21:19:37 -!- Katniss [~Katniss@24.144.30.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:20:58 -!- krake [~krake@pC19F7E14.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:11 dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:21:16 krake [~krake@pC19F7E14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:21:23 chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-58-169-14-16.lns2.civ.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 21:22:00 -!- krake [~krake@pC19F7E14.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:23:18 -!- kmcorbett [kmcorbett@clozure-9FE07BBF.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quit] 21:23:18 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quit] 21:23:40 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:24:05 -!- _fable_ [~fable@122-57-59-9.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [] 21:27:29 maxm- [~user@p84-72.acedsl.com] has joined #lisp 21:28:12 ok, back in action with gtx 440 card, have a good feeling about it 21:30:06 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 21:30:15 *Xach* scowls at maxm- 21:30:43 phao [phao@177.115.31.96] has joined #lisp 21:31:03 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75dd84.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:31:06 is there any program like lint, but for CL ? 21:31:10 Yes. 21:31:16 SBCL :) 21:31:29 http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/lang/lisp/code/tools/lint/0.html 21:31:31 sbcl too. 21:31:35 *maxm-* actually finds clisp more anal 21:31:49 code I write in sbcl without warnings, always has tons of warnings and problems in clisp 21:31:58 code that runs clean in clisp, usually runs clean in sbcl 21:32:02 interesting. 21:32:13 sbcl is too accomodating 21:32:22 ie (declare (fixnum myvar)) 21:33:29 maxm-: that is legal allowable. 21:33:30 err 21:33:33 that's allowed. 21:33:54 hmm, guess its a bug in clisp that it does not accept it then? or its optional? 21:35:16 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.172.57] has quit [Quit: tensorpudding] 21:38:22 DataLinkDroid [~David@1.147.86.255] has joined #lisp 21:38:28 It is conforming. 21:38:41 tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.172.57] has joined #lisp 21:39:30 Compiling a file containing (defun f (x) (declare (fixnum x)) (truncate x 2)) with clisp 2.49 I get 0 errors, 0 warnings. 21:39:45 -!- rswarbrick [~rswarbric@cl-1290.lon-02.gb.sixxs.net] has left #lisp 21:40:00 I always use: clisp -ansi 21:43:13 Guest47138 [~k@188-22-54-140.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 21:44:15 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:44:30 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-1-147.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:47:00 -!- zophy [~zophy@host-5-150-220-24.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:49:27 damn... this Guy Steele person ... I just realized 21:49:37 hmm, weird, why did I remember that fixnum thing,let me check 21:49:46 that H&S book on C has him as one of the author, also books on common lisp, scheme, also java. 21:50:00 "guy" makes it a hobby to be an expert in languages 21:51:58 hmm indeed does not happen anymore, guess it got fixed 21:52:38 phao: I gave a lightning talk timed by him. It was a thrill! 21:52:38 ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has joined #lisp 21:52:52 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has joined #lisp 21:53:06 Xach, what is that (lightning talk) ? 21:53:34 phao: 5 minute talk with 2 minute q&a, strictly timed 21:53:39 wiki says that he wrote part of the original pdp10 emacs 21:53:54 if you exceed the time limit, you are struck by a bolt of lightning, thus the name. 21:53:57 with modern self-publishing, its easy to have a book out.. My co-worker shared a story, he was interviewing guys to work under him for visual basic position, and a guy came in with a a thick book, something like "design patterns using visual basic in modern finance" or such (ie impressive title, I don't remember it) 21:54:14 he hired him, and guy ended up being a huge idiot, no idea how he managed to write that book 21:54:15 he speaks really "fast", he can also say very long phrases without getting lost in the middle of them, which is surprisingly hard. 21:54:26 hefner, heheh 21:54:53 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 21:56:29 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.137.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:57:06 *maxm-* loves giving talks to higher up, I end up charming them with my exUSSR humour.. "You see, a computer is like a car. We used to have a car with 8 cpus, thats like 800 horse power engine" And we had upgraded that car to a car with faster a bit bigger cylinders, but only 4 of them".. So its like we took out the 800 horse power engine, and put in the 400 horse power engine. And now the car can not pull as much load, as the old one 21:57:18 higher ups were awed 21:58:11 that was trying to explain to site manager, why customer's CEO is calling his CEO saying their system is crashing and burning and they will have to shutdown the airline if it aint fixed :-) 21:59:15 -!- paul0 [~paul0@187.112.88.212] has quit [Quit: paul0] 22:00:00 maxm-: that can't be good. 22:00:11 a rare peek inside the strange world of ITA software. 22:00:22 and not only ITA 22:00:48 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 22:00:51 "I have seen things you people would not beleive" 22:02:00 -!- notzmv is now known as zmv 22:02:20 ceo reads about "virtualization" in a magazine. Talks to IT, IT talks to IBM. IBM is happy to replace 2 old aix boxes acting as database and app server, with 1 single box, with their virtualization technology making it appears as two. Big deal is made of the project.. There are meetings, plunnings, test run, congratulations, and finally rollover 22:02:45 the part about client threatening to shut down the airline was the next day :-) 22:03:09 -!- Guest80190 [~mehmet@unaffiliated/decaf] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:03:41 -!- lurch_1 [~gerrit@d54C19336.access.telenet.be] has left #lisp 22:03:48 heh 22:04:12 at one of my old jobs it would result in CFO backdating approvals for buying another big box ;) 22:05:13 YokYok [~david@AClermont-Ferrand-651-1-203-234.w83-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 22:06:46 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 22:07:28 (we still had huge fuckups during a move from one billing system to another - but software related, with clients going "WTF?" at its behaviour) 22:11:03 -!- DataLinkDroid [~David@1.147.86.255] has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:12:39 -!- vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.36.94] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:13:24 lutok [~luckystok@ip98-169-240-101.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:13:41 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@89.41.212.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:13:49 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-222-19.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:15:31 zenlunatic [~justin@c-68-48-40-231.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:18:35 saint_cypher [~rjspotter@c-76-126-70-224.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:21:38 -!- tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 22:21:44 centipedefarmer [~centipede@75-170-154-215.desm.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:24:40 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 22:25:29 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:26:10 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 22:27:19 -!- phao [phao@177.115.31.96] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:28:32 -!- hefner [~hefner@c-69-255-57-56.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:30:13 stickycake [~stickycak@cpe-69-203-115-155.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:30:13 RomyRomy [~stickycak@cpe-69-203-115-155.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:31:27 -!- Posterdati_ [~tapioca@host188-225-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:31:46 -!- lutok [~luckystok@ip98-169-240-101.dc.dc.cox.net] has left #lisp 22:31:49 -!- limetree [~ircuser@li147-249.members.linode.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:33:26 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-74-96-10-77.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:36:19 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 22:38:13 -!- Guest47138 [~k@188-22-54-140.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:39:17 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:39:52 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@85-132-136-40-static.vivo.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:41:14 YokYok_ [~david@AClermont-Ferrand-651-1-56-114.w90-0.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 22:42:00 -!- bjonnh [~bjonnh@2a01:e35:2420:ea0:21e:64ff:fe84:8986] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:41 -!- YokYok [~david@AClermont-Ferrand-651-1-203-234.w83-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:46:52 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 22:48:15 ApeShot [~user@cpe-076-182-098-158.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:48:38 Suppose I need to invoke some CL from Emacs Lisp via slime and I need to get the resulting value _synchronously_ 22:48:42 What is the right way? 22:49:13 I should note I _cannot_ make `slime-eval` work - it refuses to evaluate code in any package other than the swank-io package 22:51:30 I'm trying to create a cffi binding to some syscalls on BSD and I need a file-descriptor as an argument. Right now I'm using sb-posix:open, is this the right way? 22:52:32 that is a pretty good way to get a file descriptor 22:53:03 :D 22:53:14 okay :) 22:53:42 -!- sousousou [~bcarmer@host-72-174-54-175.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 22:53:46 howeyc: or you can just use 0, that's even faster 22:54:04 phao [~phao@187.91.244.137] has joined #lisp 22:54:59 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:55:13 fe[nl]ix: heh, that would work if I didn't need it to point to an actual file 22:55:24 superflit_ [~superflit@71-33-187-57.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:58:38 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-33-147-2.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:58:38 -!- superflit_ is now known as superflit 23:00:21 -!- parabolize [~gyro@c-75-71-247-61.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:00:37 sousousou [~bcarmer@host-72-174-54-175.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net] has joined #lisp 23:01:41 -!- stickycake [~stickycak@cpe-69-203-115-155.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: stickycake] 23:01:41 -!- RomyRomy [~stickycak@cpe-69-203-115-155.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: RomyRomy] 23:01:51 -!- kmcorbett [kmcorbett@clozure-9FE07BBF.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quit] 23:01:51 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quit] 23:02:02 siganderson [~siganders@dynamic-adsl-84-220-131-164.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 23:02:20 parabolize [~gyro@c-75-71-247-61.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:02:34 DataLinkDroid [~David@1.148.174.12] has joined #lisp 23:02:59 -!- sousousou [~bcarmer@host-72-174-54-175.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:03:20 sousousou [~bcarmer@host-72-174-54-175.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net] has joined #lisp 23:03:52 I have a question: (setf X '(A B A)) ---- (setf Z '(A)) ---- (eq Z (cddr X)) ---- cddr(X) and '(A) should refer to the same symbols... so shouldn't I get a T instead of NIL ? 23:04:30 or maybe that I'm treating lists instead of atoms... 23:04:42 siganderson: interned symbols that print the same are eq. the same is not true of lists that print the same. 23:04:46 siganderson: EQ is object (pointer) identity. '(A) and '(A) may or may not be the same cons. 23:04:48 -!- vairav [~vairav@c-98-207-170-37.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:05:33 -!- sousousou [~bcarmer@host-72-174-54-175.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net] has left #lisp 23:06:14 vairav [~vairav@c-98-207-170-37.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:06:16 sousousou [~bcarmer@host-72-174-54-175.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net] has joined #lisp 23:06:30 -!- rvrebane [~rvrebane@78-28-109-246.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:09:58 ok I think I understood 23:18:42 -!- siganderson [~siganders@dynamic-adsl-84-220-131-164.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Sto andando via] 23:20:04 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 23:21:10 gigamonkey: Okay, #lisp convinced me to buy your book. 23:21:10 -!- h0x00 [~Ivoc@91.207.42.52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:25 h0x00 [~Ivoc@91.207.42.52] has joined #lisp 23:21:43 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:21:48 -!- milanj [~milanj_@93-86-58-225.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:23:47 wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 23:24:35 -!- vairav [~vairav@c-98-207-170-37.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:26:23 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:27:14 -!- parabolize [~gyro@c-75-71-247-61.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:29:01 parabolize [~gyro@c-75-71-247-61.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:29:50 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:30:08 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 23:30:10 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 23:31:05 -!- benny [~benny@i577A135E.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.1] 23:31:09 decaf [~mehmet@unaffiliated/decaf] has joined #lisp 23:38:15 Anyone heard of H.R. 1981? 23:41:55 Frozenlo` [~user@cable-quebec-15.246.173-182.electronicbox.net] has joined #lisp 23:47:33 Posterdati [~tapioca@host188-225-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 23:48:33 -!- ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has quit [Quit: ddp] 23:49:01 ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has joined #lisp 23:57:18 solussd [~solussd@user-0cdvten.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp