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I think c99 has bool;; that doesn't make it c++ 00:20:23 phao: .d files are run through the "dpp" preprocessor to convert them to C. See src/dpp.c. 00:20:30 there is this in the top of the file /* -*- mode: c; c-basic-offset: 8 -*- */ 00:20:44 felideon [~felideon@184.105.242.75] has joined #lisp 00:20:55 ok. 00:21:42 Xach, are you familiar with ecl? 00:21:48 phao: A little. 00:22:06 Nice. For some moments I thought it was sort of abandoned. 00:22:25 ECL is very actively developed. 00:22:40 Just check the commit history and the mailing list. 00:22:48 Good =) 00:23:56 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@213.219.158.68.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:25:37 Xach, it compiled pretty fast here on my windows 7 computer 00:25:38 was less than 1min I think. 00:26:19 I expected something much longer... I remember mplayer compiling on my linux (.... I think it took more than half an hour -- that looks like a lie, but it isn't!!!) 00:26:56 I used to have a computer like that too. 00:27:08 like that how? 00:28:28 theBlackDragon [~dragon@213.219.158.68.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #lisp 00:28:49 phao: A Maine farmer was visiting his cousin, a Texas rancher. "When I get up in the morning," the rancher said, "I can get in my truck and start driving, and I'm still not at the end of my ranch by sundown." "Yeah, I used to have a truck like that too." 00:29:15 lol 00:29:17 dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:29:24 =) 00:30:39 -!- nialo [~nialo@rrcs-184-74-171-43.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:31:08 -!- EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@host184.186-109-1.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:31:51 nialo [~nialo@rrcs-184-74-171-43.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:32:12 -!- Sbidicuda [~antani@host188-225-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32:24 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:33:20 Xach, the half an hour was with my old pentium 4, 2.4ghz 00:33:43 the ecl I compiled in my computer of nowadays, core i3 (or something... idk the name of these things anymore) 00:34:35 msponge [~msponge@dhcp-18-111-116-217.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #lisp 00:34:41 brown` [user@nat/google/x-yppkqgjhfxvdibfa] has joined #lisp 00:36:44 -!- msponge [~msponge@dhcp-18-111-116-217.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 00:37:58 jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has joined #lisp 00:39:42 I ran compilations that lasted 13 hours on a Pentium II. 00:40:18 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41:09 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:43:48 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:44:48 damn... 00:44:59 -!- bioevolgenec [~bioevolge@ppp-94-69-147-250.home.otenet.gr] has left #lisp 00:46:34 tensorpudding [~michael@99.148.206.187] has joined #lisp 00:49:56 I remember seeing sbcl build *way* faster on xterm than gnome-terminal due to the large volume of text output 00:50:05 *Xach* always redirects 00:51:36 -!- nialo [~nialo@rrcs-184-74-171-43.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:52:06 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:53:55 nialo [~nialo@rrcs-184-74-171-43.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:55:38 karswell__ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 00:55:49 -!- brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:56:58 jasom: me too, but gnome-terminal is much better now. 00:57:44 -!- karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:00:34 brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has joined #lisp 01:02:49 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.148.206.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:10:20 tensorpudding [~michael@99.148.206.187] has joined #lisp 01:13:05 xterm is the only correct x terminall 01:13:24 that can handle 8-bit is meta thing nicely 01:13:26 -!- nialo [~nialo@rrcs-184-74-171-43.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:13:46 -!- krake [~krake@pC19F7E14.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:14:03 krake [~krake@pC19F7E14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 01:14:16 coz on slow ssh-connections, ESC prefixed meta emulation always screws up and generates garbage keys when there is a modem hiccup 01:14:18 Xach: compilations run better by redirecting the output? :o 01:14:37 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:14:57 meta as 8-bit work really smooth even over high-latency connection, so i can still use emacs with all the M-keys working 01:15:13 maxm--: urxvt does 8-bit meta 01:15:58 I use viper, which is pretty much unusable in a terminal without 8-bit meta 01:17:08 Aethaeryn: there is a lot of output. 01:17:14 +1 fellow emacs is better vi then vi guy :-) 01:18:01 altho I switched to vimpulse, better vim emulation, including visual mode (ie V selects current line), and C-b for blocks works too 01:18:05 maxm--: I'm not quite there; I'm too used to vim. emacs is basically just my frontend for slime 01:18:09 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-148-9.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 01:18:31 vimpulse pretty much has 1-to-1 vim compatibilty 01:19:11 -!- Ralith [~ralith@static-209-139-215-92.gtcust.grouptelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:19:24 So emacs/slime is the common way to do Lisp, then? 01:19:39 Aethaeryn: yes. 01:19:41 I'll take a look at that; I've got hundreds of lines of elisp to make viper more like vim 01:20:01 ah, then you are in for a releif 01:20:19 I was like you until I found vimpulse.. They recently renamed it to evil 01:20:35 that is an awesome name 01:20:42 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-140-20.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:20:48 for vi compatability in emacs 01:20:54 it even got awesome (vimpulse-define-major-key) (vimpulse-define-minor-key) for overriding bindings per mode 01:21:07 maxm--: I found a crappy vim compatibility thing called something like vimperator that really sucked (~2 or 3 years ago) 01:21:45 so you can (vimpulse-define-minor-key 'slime-mode insert-mode ";c" 'whatever) 01:22:04 jasom: you probably mixing it up, vimperator is firefox one 01:22:10 maxm--: probably 01:22:16 Don't remember what it was named, honestly 01:22:18 but it sucked 01:22:33 could be the same thing, but vimpulse had been rock solid for me 01:23:01 here is the url http://emacswiki.org/emacs/Evil 01:23:10 *maxm--* liked old name vimpulse better 01:23:11 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-1-147.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 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do ocr? (like how would it know?) 07:19:55 jupitersangel [~vash@c-75-66-21-73.hsd1.ms.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:20:44 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.161.170] has joined #lisp 07:23:05 -!- nostoi [~nostoi@175.Red-79-157-92.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 07:23:21 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-160-154.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 07:24:19 -!- jupitersangel [~vash@c-75-66-21-73.hsd1.ms.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:25:13 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-148-9.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 07:29:43 -!- jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:30:27 -!- parabolize [~gyro@c-75-71-247-61.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:32:17 parabolize [~gyro@c-75-71-247-61.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:34:28 how would you read a chunk of a stream beyond the second delimiter char / ? 07:34:43 like in /bla/blah/s 07:34:51 i want to read the s 07:34:55 DataLinkDkt [~DataLink@CPE-124-184-7-15.lns10.cht.bigpond.net.au] 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accumulated them too, but preserved my position on the stream... 07:54:04 oh man 07:54:13 i'll have to try out 07:54:32 but the idea seems abit clumsy.... 07:55:12 osa1 [~sinan@78.179.76.15] has joined #lisp 07:55:25 -!- drwho [~drwho@56-34-237-24.gci.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:56:03 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.216.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:56:19 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 07:56:28 -!- neena [~neena@unaffiliated/neenaoffline] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:56:50 what are you actually trying to do? if you want to process the whole line i'd tokenize the stream and return the parts as a list, then you can work with the parts 07:57:32 ah 07:58:07 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.200.45] has joined #lisp 07:58:38 i want to have the same thing as in s/..../..../gixs..... 07:58:44 for a matcher function 07:58:48 or macro 07:59:23 http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Tokenize_a_string#Common_Lisp 07:59:45 Sbidicuda 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10:25:33 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM1-114-156-6.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 10:28:14 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:29:51 noopyks [~lsenta@88-191-125-48.rev.dedibox.fr] has joined #lisp 10:29:55 Hello 10:31:11 -!- vervic [~vervic@91-115-156-38.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: vervic] 10:32:05 Does anyone knows how to generate a function symbol with a macro ? 10:32:21 let's say i have a macro make-struct, and two structs rgb and rgba 10:32:45 I would like to do (make-struct rgb) which would instantiate a rgb struct 10:33:15 (the macro-expansion would give me smthing like (make-rgb) or (make-rgba) 10:33:57 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:36:12 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 10:37:38 Ttm use the function INTERN 10:38:07 to be honest, defstruct does that already but if you are making a special thing, INTERN is probably a decent way to make symbols 10:39:07 Ttm, maybe you mean something like (setf (symbol-function (intern "NAME")) ...) 10:39:43 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181138064.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 10:42:12 what i want is a generic way for instantiating struct, just like make-instance for classes 10:44:47 hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:46:51 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM1-114-156-6.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:47:23 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM1-114-156-6.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 10:47:55 luoluoluo [~sheng@123.120.39.77] has joined #lisp 10:48:00 Athas [1000@193.191.34.31] has joined #lisp 10:48:45 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:50:11 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 10:50:34 cmoore [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:52:03 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM1-114-156-6.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:52:23 Ttm: (defmacro make-any-struct (struct-name &rest args) `(,(intern (format nil "MAKE-~A" struct-name)) ,@args) 10:52:47 (make-any-struct blah :foo bar) will expand to (make-blah :foo bar) 10:54:30 <|3b|> if you have to type the name of the type directly into the code, why not just call MAKE-BLAH directly? 10:54:45 -!- hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:54:55 I need genericity on this case |3b| 10:55:03 <|3b|> it isn't generic though 10:55:09 fantasticsid [~user@178.18.16.11] has joined #lisp 10:55:11 why ? 10:55:26 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:55:34 <|3b|> (let ((foo 'rgb)) (make-struct foo)) would expand to make-foo 10:55:46 well it was an example.. Usually when developing a macro library, you will store name => object description pairs in a hash or such 10:55:59 eMBee: the captcha in the lisppaste isn't an image :) 10:56:09 and then object descriptions will have functions to create an object, parse it, or do whatever 10:56:19 <|3b|> pointless to be a macro though 10:56:36 I used make-instance for struct, which did the job, but I'm trying to go on allegro and it does'nt accept structs :( 10:56:50 and you'll have (define-my-object (name) .... ) macro to define new objects, which will expand into bunch of stuff (ie defstructs, defuns etc), with names based on massaging NAME 10:56:54 <|3b|> complain to your lisp implementation vendor :) 10:57:01 adn will store it in a name => description registry 10:57:05 -!- fantasticsid [~user@178.18.16.11] has quit [Client Quit] 10:57:23 <|3b|> right, and a make-anything /macro/ still won't work :) 10:57:25 Ttm: generally, my suggestion, try defclass 10:57:48 Ttm: first develop your code until it runs and you are happy with it, then profile and then you can convert critical pieces to defstructs 10:58:09 maxm--: it works well on sbcl, i'm trying to transfer it on allegro 10:58:12 <|3b|> (defun do-something (type &rest params) (something (make-anything type) params)) for example can't expand to anything useful an macroexpansion time 10:58:30 defstruct is like using inline assembly in C. Its there to be used sparingly, and only when absolutely needed for perfomance 10:59:08 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:59:10 thats what you get for relying on implementation specific features 10:59:18 yup 10:59:34 thanks for the answers :) 10:59:54 the performance difference between defstruct and defclass is like 30% on (speed 3) (safety 0) code 11:00:09 less so with default settings. So don't over-optimize. CLOS is quite good 11:00:11 *|3b|* wouldn't use a struct (or class) for colors anyway, but i might not do the same things with colors that you do 11:00:28 -!- Athas is now known as jre 11:01:08 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 11:01:23 -!- jre is now known as Athas 11:01:27 Ttm: make-instance working on structs is I think an optional thing 11:01:38 p_l: ah, ok, so the spamproblem comes from real people. ok 11:01:44 that's what i discovered earlier 11:02:03 yay, zeromq compiled on allegro. Yet another library checked out :3 11:02:09 <|3b|> eMBee: i think it is more a problem of directed attacks rather than real people 11:02:41 is zeromq stable under SBCL? with multiple threads etc (using zeromq to pass stuff between threads?) 11:03:09 -!- jakky [jakk@motherfucking.ddosking.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:03:15 *maxm--* has a planned project and kind of split between using zeromq or continuing with my homegrown socket protocol, very tempted to go zeromq route 11:03:39 hmm 11:04:08 jakky [jokk@motherfucking.ddosking.org] has joined #lisp 11:04:09 TBH, zeromq just sounds too good to be true, reading documentation, it just works like magic.. Wondeeing if it does indeed, or if its hype 11:05:12 -!- Athas [1000@193.191.34.31] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:05:17 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181138064.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:08:27 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:10:04 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 11:10:09 hagish [~hagish@p5DCBD7EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:11:03 MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-159-85.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 11:12:17 msponge [~msponge@18.189.103.48] has joined #lisp 11:15:56 xyxu1 [~xyxu@222.68.161.170] has joined #lisp 11:18:09 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:18:45 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.161.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:18:51 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:20:01 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 11:20:54 Athas [1000@193.191.42.158] has joined #lisp 11:22:41 spradnyesh 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another one running Qt event lop 11:52:44 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:52:48 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-35.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:53:28 Heh Guthur doing simular things to myself it seems 11:53:44 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 11:53:54 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181138064.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 11:57:15 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:57:54 -!- [SLB] [~balthasar@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: [ Close the World, Open the nExt ]] 11:58:25 -!- xan_ [~xan@193.191.36.252] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:59:04 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181138064.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:59:28 thanks for that paste, that was quite enlightening 12:01:13 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 12:02:07 splittist [~splittist@74-104.198-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 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248 seconds] 12:20:16 *maxm--* does a timeout, and switches to emacs annoyances todo list.. On today menu is, when opening a dired buffer, if its already inserted as a subdir in a parent dired buffer, switch to it instead and make point go there 12:20:34 getting tired of ending up with 10 dired buffers 12:20:50 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 12:21:12 gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 12:24:38 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.161.170] has joined #lisp 12:26:56 maxm--: map RET to dired-find-alternate-file 12:27:05 (define-key dired-mode-map (kbd "RET") 'dired-find-alternate-file) 12:28:03 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:29:43 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 12:29:59 kami [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has joined #lisp 12:30:14 Hello #lisp. 12:31:22 eulyix [~charles@host86-154-220-210.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 12:31:41 Ttm: you cannot use (intern (format nil "MAKE-~A" name)) to compute the name of the constructor of a structure, because it may be entirely different, when the :CONSTRUCTOR option is used in DEFSTRUCT. You are doomed! 12:32:32 Ttm: there's no standard introspection operators for structure. The only half-solution, is to shadow defstruct, and write your own doing the bookmarking. Then you may as well generate a DEFCLASS from it! 12:32:55 Ttm: so always use DEFCLASS instead of DEFSTRUCT. 12:33:11 Athas [1000@193.191.45.106] has joined #lisp 12:33:32 (It's a half-solution because any structure defined in libraries or in code that doesn't use your shadowed definition won't have your stuff). 12:36:54 See http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/34681fc951fb42b2 http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/8e06a7470724aa38 http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/f687db3424753775 12:40:40 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:40:50 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128009154.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 12:42:43 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 12:45:37 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:48:46 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.213.162] has joined #lisp 12:48:52 daimrod: not exactly what I want, what I meant is lets say I'm browsing java sources with tons of subdirs, I do it in 1 dired buffer, where I expand sub-directories inline with i key 12:49:30 daimrod: otherwise you'll end up with dired buffer for 'org 'apache 'tests 'helpers 'whatever 12:50:57 daimrod: then when i'm inside WhateverHelper.java in helpers, I'm about to "what other helpers are there" and its hardwired into my brain to do C-x C-f RET, to open current directory in dired, which of course opens "helpers" in its own dired buffer 12:51:20 so I eventually end up with 10 dired buffers when browsing complicated project that uses deep directory structure 12:51:34 oh ok 12:51:45 [SLB] [~balthasar@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 12:52:01 daimrod: instead, I want C-x C-f to go to the original dired buffer, where org/apache/tests/helpers is already inserted as a subdir into the same buffer 12:54:10 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:54:16 maxm--: you can write an around advice on find-file, to switch to the dired buffer if there's one instead of running the normal find-file. 12:55:42 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 12:56:04 -!- Athas [1000@193.191.45.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:57:04 sunmix` [~user@223.206.186.213] has joined #lisp 12:57:09 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75fcdf.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 12:58:35 -!- sunmix [~user@223.205.17.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:59:04 hi 12:59:34 pjb: yea thats what I'm doing... defadvice is a godsend 12:59:41 -!- echo-area [~user@123.120.240.233] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:31 echo-area [~user@123.120.240.233] has joined #lisp 13:02:20 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-146-74.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:02:23 -!- echo-area [~user@123.120.240.233] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:04:17 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:07:40 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:10:52 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@117.192.34.88] has left #lisp 13:13:41 -!- tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 13:13:44 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:15:33 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:17:00 -!- rvrebane [~rvrebane@78-28-109-246.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:17:39 ZabaQ [~Zaba@85-132-136-40-static.vivo.cz] has joined #lisp 13:20:57 rgrau_` [~user@99.Red-83-43-155.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:21:09 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:21:46 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:24:39 woo 13:24:52 hoo 13:25:21 doo 13:26:38 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:27:23 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.128.105] has joined #lisp 13:27:55 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:33:47 hefner [~hefner@c-69-255-57-56.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:34:37 Patterngazer [~Patternga@globulon.pck.nerim.net] has joined #lisp 13:35:17 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:36:51 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:37:10 -!- pspace [~andrew@adsl-76-241-86-82.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:38:00 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@85-132-136-40-static.vivo.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 13:40:24 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-148-9.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:32 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-50-021.cascadeaccess.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42:31 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-2.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:43:33 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-184-67.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 13:43:34 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:44:45 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:45:55 guess the Chinese premiere? 13:46:56 francogrex [~user@109.130.90.222] has joined #lisp 13:48:37 echo-area [~user@123.120.240.233] has joined #lisp 13:49:19 kingless [~kingless@12.207.185.156] has joined #lisp 13:50:13 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:50:53 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:53:25 jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-26.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:53:58 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:54:45 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:54:48 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:47 *Xach* is excited about his new library and the dozen new libraries it will spawn! 13:57:01 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:57:51 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:58:49 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:59:11 LiamH [~healy@pool-74-96-10-77.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:01:06 Xach: what does it do? 14:01:09 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.172.57] has quit [Quit: tensorpudding] 14:01:12 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-50-021.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 14:01:52 tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.172.57] has joined #lisp 14:02:02 prxq: generic AWS auth/request/response stuff 14:02:19 pnq [~nick@ACA2FC15.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 14:02:21 prxq: with it i hope to support all features in all AWS services someday. 14:02:49 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 14:02:53 or help others support such things 14:03:46 xan_ [~xan@193.191.36.252] has joined #lisp 14:04:08 -!- kingless [~kingless@12.207.185.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:40 the amazon cloud thing? 14:04:50 how can i do this with thread-safe ? (let ((a (make-array 10))) (loop for i in '(1 2 3) for j from 0 do (sb-thread:make-thread (lambda ()(setf (aref a i) 1)))) (sleep 1)a) 14:05:00 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:05:05 *maxm--* may actually consider buying CPU time from them 14:05:06 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:05:06 kingless [~kingless@12.207.185.156] has joined #lisp 14:05:15 maxm--: yes 14:05:41 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:05:46 this returns #(0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0) 14:05:55 -!- sunmix` [~user@223.206.186.213] has left #lisp 14:06:23 continue the good work man :-) /me daydreams of starting his own hedge fund crunching data on amazon cloud with lisp, "I'll be rich I tell you, you'll see!" 14:06:31 who is familiar with wcl? 14:06:32 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 14:06:43 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 14:06:53 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-184-67.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07:00 cfy: the same I variable is being shared by every loop iteration. you need to explicitly close over it in the loop body 14:07:24 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-184-67.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:07:29 it's beautiful, make c shared libraries out of cl code 14:07:31 jsnell: i don't know how to do it. 14:07:48 (let ((i i)) ...) 14:07:59 loop may do (setf i (1+ i)) instead! 14:08:42 kilon_alios [~kilon@athedsl-187249.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 14:08:52 (loop for i below 3 do (let ((i i)) )) 14:08:59 pjb: jsnell: thanks:) got it 14:09:17 same with dolist and dotimes. 14:09:25 -!- kingless [~kingless@12.207.185.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:09:47 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.172.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:10:18 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:11:05 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-318150.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:11:38 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-184-67.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:16:54 tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.172.57] has joined #lisp 14:16:57 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-184-67.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:17:15 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:18:41 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 14:20:07 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-184-67.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20:29 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-26.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:20:41 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-184-67.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:21:07 cnl [~cnl@94.231.123.31] has joined #lisp 14:23:38 nitro_id_ [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-184-67.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:23:45 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-184-67.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:27:06 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:27:24 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 14:27:56 -!- nitro_id_ [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-184-67.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28:28 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-184-67.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:28:47 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:30:02 -!- Sbidicuda [~antani@host188-225-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:30:40 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 14:31:03 yoklov [~yoklov@24-177-5-183.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #lisp 14:32:09 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:32:10 add^_ [~add^_^@m212-152-28-246.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 14:32:47 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-184-67.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:33:14 tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has joined #lisp 14:34:35 hi, I have 20-odd bytes and I want to add one byte of consistency check. what can I use pls? 14:35:05 puchacz: simple checksum could do. 14:35:12 add them all together and modulo 255? 14:35:18 -!- yoklov [~yoklov@24-177-5-183.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:35:18 Yes. 14:35:47 thx 14:35:49 Another would be xor them all. 14:36:08 summing them would have the disadvantage of ignoring high bits. 14:36:19 what is a reasonably mathematically method? 14:36:26 mathematically sound I mean 14:36:43 Well, there are the polynomial rests. 14:36:47 crc-16 probably. 14:37:01 is there a library for it? 14:37:22 *maxm--* is not sure if something amateurish as md5sum, then select a byte out of md5sum indexed by the simple checksum would be better or worse 14:37:24 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.90.222] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:37:28 puchacz: I have code in C 14:37:44 nah, thx, I want to have it done within 15 mins :) 14:37:52 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_redundancy_check 14:37:59 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 14:38:12 maybe I will stick to xor-ing 14:39:07 xor allows you to detect odd-number of bit errors on each weight. 14:39:47 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:39:54 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_detection_and_correction 14:40:28 urandom__ [~user@p548A5054.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:40:32 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-184-67.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:41:17 puchacz: if you have processing power to spare, you could do a MD5 and take one byte from it. 14:41:38 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 14:41:52 yeah 14:42:18 or uuid version something that takes from string 14:42:48 I will xor 14:43:09 I really want to protect against copy/paste of an identifier without last few or first few characters 14:43:39 -!- kilon_alios is now known as kilon 14:44:06 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-184-67.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:44:39 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-184-67.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:45:48 -!- tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 14:47:35 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 14:47:49 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.172.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:49:26 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-184-67.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:49:51 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:50:47 xor will be a single line loop, while ecp takes 500 lines of C, up to 100 lines of lisp 14:51:34 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 14:52:58 err, double that for C. 14:53:21 But then, ECP is Error CORRECTING! :-) 14:54:44 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:55:15 -!- [SLB] [~balthasar@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: [ Close the World, Open the nExt ]] 14:56:50 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:57:50 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 14:59:05 -!- cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:59:23 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-184-67.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:00:35 cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has joined #lisp 15:03:10 imho if you aim to improve editing or such, ie detecting slight errors in cut-n-pasted identifiers, which is what you said you doing 15:03:47 probably the best thing would be to do thing google does with misspelling. "did you meant appender and not appendr" 15:04:12 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:04:30 algorithm could be count number of words with just slight 1char or 2 char difference from the one you testing, then see ratio of them, if its like 15 to 1, with 1 char difference, then its obvious its a misspelling 15:05:44 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 15:07:49 Or you could do what google does and get a vast user base and see how people correct their errors collectively. 15:07:59 Although that might be hard to do with lisp users. 15:08:06 Blkt [~user@82.84.158.49] has joined #lisp 15:08:20 :) 15:08:23 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:12:51 -!- m0prl [~clarkema@31-222-178-169.static.cloud-ips.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:12:58 good day everyone 15:14:25 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:15:41 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 15:16:08 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@212.109.82.79.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:17:27 hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 15:19:29 -!- scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:21:06 qelsi [~qelsi@184.Red-83-36-190.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 15:23:13 ikki [~ikki@189.139.220.78] has joined #lisp 15:23:30 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 15:25:49 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:27:36 -!- classic [~watchkeep@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:27:39 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 15:31:08 paul0 [~paul0@187.112.88.212] has joined #lisp 15:33:13 scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has joined #lisp 15:33:21 Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.21.54] has joined #lisp 15:34:44 -!- ltaoist [~mo@14.113.206.16] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:36:13 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:38:42 sousousou [~bcarmer@host-72-174-54-175.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net] has joined #lisp 15:38:49 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:40:39 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 15:42:23 -!- sousousou [~bcarmer@host-72-174-54-175.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:43:13 m0prl [~clarkema@31-222-178-169.static.cloud-ips.co.uk] has joined #lisp 15:43:23 wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 15:45:20 -!- vert2 [vert2@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-wvqukoalosaxrwnc] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45:32 deftly [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 15:45:34 Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:45:36 Xach: there? 15:48:52 loke: just put your question in the channel. maybe others know the answer. 15:51:38 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:53:04 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:53:38 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 15:53:39 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-1-147.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:54:16 All right 15:54:36 It's quite simple really, all I'm trying to do is (ql:quickload "drei-mcclim") 15:54:50 yoklov [~yoklov@24-177-5-183.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #lisp 15:54:51 nialo- [~nialo@rrcs-184-74-171-43.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:54:58 that package is shown in the paackage list, but when I try to run that I get an error saying it doesn't exist 15:55:09 vert2 [vert2@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-jdazhmihlgwyimwi] has joined #lisp 15:55:18 -!- nialo [~nialo@rrcs-184-74-171-43.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:55:32 loke: oh. I use (ql:quickload :drei-mcclim) 15:55:41 does that work? 15:56:10 Same error 15:56:17 component drei-mcclim not found 15:58:09 -!- Whitesquall [~notwhites@31.172.205.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:58:35 checking 15:59:42 well, it's fetching stuff here. 15:59:50 (I didn't ever use it before) 15:59:53 Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:00:12 is your dist up to date with the package list you're looking in? 16:00:15 *hefner* does not understand why you want to load an internal component of mcclim individually 16:00:35 hefner: good point. 16:00:39 loke: ? 16:00:55 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-66-65-55-75.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:01:10 loke: actually, that might be your problem. 16:01:25 loke: because after downloading and compiling the shabang, it fails with that error. 16:01:56 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA2FC15.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:03:15 You're right. If I load mcclim first, then drei-mcclim works 16:03:25 question is, though... WHy even show those packages in QL's list? 16:03:29 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:03:40 and wouldn't that also suggest that the ASDF definitions for mcclim are broken? 16:03:43 because they are... packages? 16:05:37 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:08:17 pnathan [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has joined #lisp 16:08:21 -!- xan_ [~xan@193.191.36.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:08:38 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-66-65-55-75.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:10:44 -!- karswell__ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:10:51 -!- cnl [~cnl@94.231.123.31] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:11:11 karswell__ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 16:12:21 -!- _root_ [~Scalable@li252-14.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:12:51 lurch_1 [~gerrit@d54C19336.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 16:13:57 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:15:33 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:16:09 -!- echo-area [~user@123.120.240.233] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:54 -!- hagish [~hagish@p5DCBD7EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:16:59 ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has joined #lisp 16:17:25 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-219-139.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:17:25 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:17:33 -!- nialo- [~nialo@rrcs-184-74-171-43.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:21:31 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:22:51 hagish [~hagish@p5DCBD7EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:23:31 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:25:53 echo-area [~user@123.120.240.233] has joined #lisp 16:28:51 -!- hagish [~hagish@p5DCBD7EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:29:23 Snaffu [~Snaffu@oh-69-34-16-39.sta.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 16:29:40 -!- Snaffu [~Snaffu@oh-69-34-16-39.sta.embarqhsd.net] has left #lisp 16:29:42 -!- echo-area [~user@123.120.240.233] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:30:03 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 16:30:35 -!- naryl [~weechat@188.134.95.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:30:41 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:31:26 naryl [~weechat@188.134.95.93] has joined #lisp 16:32:28 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:32:38 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:32:38 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:32:44 could someone tell me why is my bindings not working in this case? http://paste.lisp.org/display/127501 16:34:19 -!- eulyix [~charles@host86-154-220-210.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:35:53 also, while trying to figure out what was happening, i tried to macroexpand the expression but i could only get one level of expansion. is there a way i can increase the depth of expansion? 16:36:42 _root_ [~Scalable@li252-14.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 16:38:12 the easiest way depends on the particulars of your setup -- if you are using slime you can use the same C-c C-m in the macroexpand buffer that pops up 16:38:22 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:38:48 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:39:21 if you are just in a terminal you might try (apropos "macroexpand-all") to see if your implementation has something like that 16:40:33 msmith [~msmit297@adsl-74-190-143-106.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 16:42:24 Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #lisp 16:42:42 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.139.220.78] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:42:44 but I think that will point you to your problem -- the entire string (including adding the prologue) seems to be created during the expansion 16:44:44 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:45:56 Vivitron: i just run sb-cltl2:macroexpand-all it shows a call to write-string with the correct string. am i missing something 16:46:08 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:46:16 can anyone tell me how can I use the variables declared in a function in a with-output-to-string call inside of said function? 16:47:36 msmith: I can't really parse the question  maybe trying putting code in lisppaste? 16:47:37 e.g (defun myfunc (myvar) (with-output-to-string(stream) (do something myvar)) 16:47:56 msmith: yes? That looks good to me 16:48:09 msmith: Except for the missing ), it looks fine. 16:48:29 -!- pnathan [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:49:13 sellout: it seems that the code can't see myvar. I'll have another look 16:49:35 msmith: then the problem is in the part of the code that you didn't paste 16:49:38 msmith: There must be a different issue, then. 16:50:37 -!- yoklov [~yoklov@24-177-5-183.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit [Quit: computer sleeping] 16:52:05 loke sellout: http://paste.lisp.org/display/127502 16:52:28 msmith: it's in a quoted form 16:52:39 change '(:foo foo) to: `(:foo ,foo) 16:52:45 or (list :foo foo) 16:53:11 loke: ok thanks 16:53:20 msmith: you sure that 2nd parameter to fill-and-print-temlate is a cons? 16:53:27 the QUOTE form (or ' as a shorter version) prevents evaluation of its content 16:53:47 maxm--: I believe it is 16:53:55 maxm--: it's a plist actually 16:54:14 nicdev_: it could be me who is missing something - I see the default prologue in the expansion 16:54:48 loke: "its content" is what the spec calls "its argument" 16:54:49 ah weird, why not just use &key stream &allow-other-keys &rest rest 16:55:01 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-032-228.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 16:55:14 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:55:23 -!- _root_ [~Scalable@li252-14.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:55:23 then known keyword args end up in their right variables, and unknown ones end up in rest plist 16:55:32 phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 16:55:32 -!- phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 16:55:32 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 16:55:36 maxm--: Then the stream would be in the &rest as well (not that it's hard to remove) 16:55:49 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56:13 maxm--: no, all the keyword arguments end up in the &rest list. 16:56:21 maxm--: generally, the plist is generated programatically. That's how I usually use it. There would have to be lots of APPLY calls in that case 16:56:45 Vivitron: i did not use slime for the expansion but wrapped the call within the let in macroexpand-all but i would not think that to be an issue. i will anotate the post with the call and the results 16:57:06 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:57:17 maxm--: But I've seen other libraries that do something similar  the plist params are often defined and used by some external system (TeX, dot, whatever), and it helps keep them clear to keep them separate from the lisp params. 16:59:12 ah ok.. /me is heavily using CLOS so thats why that method popped into my mind 16:59:39 ZabaQ [~Zaba@85-132-136-40-static.vivo.cz] has joined #lisp 16:59:50 maxm--: But you'd have the same issue with CLOS methods  I'm not sure I understand. 17:01:16 nicdev_: yes, placing the macroexpand-all within the let caused the spurious result: it is a function, so it executes under the new binding. Your problem is that the new binding isn't in effect yet when the macro accesses *prologue* at macroexpansion time to create the string. I annotated to your paste the expansion I did. 17:02:49 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:03:44 sellout: was just explaining why &rest seemed natural way to me (since you can't avoid it it initialize-instance/reinitialize-instance, and I wrote a lot of these recently, so thats the first thing that popped into my head) 17:03:54 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:05:23 pnq [~nick@ACA22C35.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 17:06:09 Vivitron: makes sense. a general question then, does dynamic scope work different for macros as compared to functions? my knowledge gere is based on PCL Chapter 6 on variables. also, is a way to have a binding that can be used at macroexpansion time other that settin the variable with setf. using setf is what i was trying to avoid 17:07:20 nicdev_: are you sure you don't want to (setf html-mode) instead? 17:10:40 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:10:47 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:12:34 nicdev_: I'm afraid I may be underqualified to answer you. 17:14:01 nicdev_: dynamic scope works the same for macros as for functions. 17:14:22 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 17:14:28 The issue here is that the code that sets the binding you want isn't executed until *runtime* 17:14:45 while, in a compiler, macros are expanded before that, at macro-expansion time. 17:15:26 cltl used to have compiler-let, which would perform dynamic binding at macroexpansion-time. 17:16:49 it's still available as an extension in many implementations. Portably, there's an idiom in which a symbol-macro is used instead. macroexpand-1, along with the correct environment parameter, can extract the expansion that *lexically* bound to the symbol macro. 17:16:57 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:18:40 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:19:02 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:20:05 -!- msponge [~msponge@18.189.103.48] has quit [Quit: msponge] 17:20:07 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75fcdf.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:22:17 -!- qelsi [~qelsi@184.Red-83-36-190.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:23:18 hi loke 17:28:28 Kron [~Kron@199.91.215.70] has joined #lisp 17:29:13 -!- Patterngazer [~Patternga@globulon.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:29:34 Indecipherable [~IceChat77@41.29.152.12] has joined #lisp 17:30:05 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.21.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:30:17 If I were to write a chatbot in CL, would it use Lists or Strings? 17:31:27 loke sellout : is there a way to do something like this? http://paste.lisp.org/display/127503 17:31:33 lol. Ok, nvm I think. That was a weird question 17:31:49 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:33:27 by that I mean pass arguments when the dispatcher is created 17:33:34 -!- totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:47 eno [~eno@70.137.133.209] has joined #lisp 17:33:47 -!- eno [~eno@70.137.133.209] has quit [Changing host] 17:33:47 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:35:45 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.200.45] has joined #lisp 17:38:00 pkhuong: Vivitron , thanks that did clear up some things on my end 17:39:12 francogrex [~user@109.130.90.222] has joined #lisp 17:39:23 Should I use elisp? 17:39:58 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:40:06 and give it preference over other lisps? 17:40:10 pkhuong: on your suggestion of (setf html-mode), looking at the code, it always sets the *prologue* value to the one i am trying to override. can i use (setf html-mode) to set *prologue* other than just selcting between :sgml and :xml? 17:40:20 xan_ [~xan@130.162-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 17:41:22 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:41:26 hagish [~hagish@p5DCBD7EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:41:38 yoklov [~yoklov@137.99.226.92] has joined #lisp 17:41:39 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:41:39 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:41:39 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:42:40 Yuuhi [benni@p5483C38F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:43:51 -!- ft [efftee@shell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:45:36 jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has joined #lisp 17:52:31 -!- gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:52:53 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.21.156.9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:53:03 gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 17:53:49 -!- ubii [~ubii@unaffiliated/ubii] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:08 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-032-228.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:57:39 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:58:55 ft [efftee@shell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has joined #lisp 17:59:07 francogrex: do i sense irony? 17:59:17 rvrebane [~rvrebane@78-28-109-246.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has joined #lisp 17:59:42 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:59:42 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:59:42 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 18:00:26 madnificent: not really just craziness 18:01:21 my mother in law asked me to teach her some programming seriously. So I wondered whether I would let her use emacs and elisp then 18:01:56 lol 18:02:10 man clisp is weird, apparently I can't do (loop while something as var = whatever) 18:02:38 had to replaec it with (loop with var while something do (setq var whatever) ...) 18:04:04 I guess for can't follow while? 18:04:14 apparently 18:04:22 it works in sbcl 18:05:24 maxm--, but for-as-clause must be before main-clauses (including termination-clause) 18:05:48 I mean termination-test 18:10:08 -!- wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:10:37 -!- rgrau_` [~user@99.Red-83-43-155.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11:05 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.90.222] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:11:48 I dislike loop more and more. Iterate ftw 18:13:47 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-219-139.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:14:25 Xach: Would you add http://christian.ftwca.de:8080/rss.xml to planet lisp? 18:14:32 _root_ [~Scalable@li252-14.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 18:14:33 yeah, iterate is the SVN to loop's CVS. 18:15:05 Neronus: maybe. 18:15:44 Xach: OK 18:15:59 hefner: ... lol @ comparison :D 18:17:15 m7w [~chatzilla@80.249.86.64] has joined #lisp 18:17:25 hefner: I dare you extend that analogy to git, then :) 18:17:38 eulyix [~charles@host86-154-220-210.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 18:19:12 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:19:49 All we need is TAGBODY 18:20:50 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:20:51 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:20:51 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 18:21:36 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.137.100] has quit 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[~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 19:13:30 I'm coming up empty on extending the analogy to include git. =/ 19:13:44 _root_ [~Scalable@li252-14.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 19:14:51 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:16:37 it'd be a lot easier if someone had already reimplemented SERIES using church numerals and letrec, then randomly shuffled all the function names 19:16:44 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 19:17:26 Yes, let's use MD5 sums as identifiers. 19:22:15 *maxm--* has cspan blabbering in background, and these guys are ridiculous.. greatest threat cyberterrorism, blah, cyberattacks, iran cyber death squads, cyber this, cyber that, powergrid 19:22:17 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:22:51 we need billions to spend on cyber defenses 19:22:55 lol 19:22:57 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:23:02 We should all be grateful to Linus Torvalds for making it acceptable behavior to believe hash collisions aren't worth worrying about. Makes the world a much simpler place. 19:23:06 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 19:23:09 A programmer of lesser stature would've been ridiculed. 19:23:11 here is $1 cyber defence.. Unplug the network cable, then use the computer 19:23:19 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-025.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 19:23:21 Did you hear what Lamar Smith is doing now? 19:23:51 Something with Lisp? 19:24:24 Nope 19:24:32 He's proposing another bill 19:24:38 Wrong channel, then. 19:24:39 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 19:24:44 Fine, fine 19:24:51 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA22C35.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:25:11 The &key to #lisp offtopic is to get yours in before Xach gets annoyed :-) 19:25:36 haha 19:27:57 maxm--- [~user@p84-72.acedsl.com] has joined #lisp 19:28:07 ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has joined #lisp 19:28:15 -!- maxm--- is now known as maxm- 19:28:21 -!- maxm-- [~user@p84-72.acedsl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:32:57 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:32:57 eheheh 19:33:19 pnathan [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has joined #lisp 19:33:48 frx [~redmundia@mail.madito.es] has joined #lisp 19:34:26 hello. is there a way to configure asdf/quicklisp to automatically intern all available systems in the keyword package? 19:34:50 frx: To  what? 19:35:02 frx: no. stop wanting that. 19:35:03 to it's name 19:35:09 dlowe why? 19:35:32 frx: because you're misunderstanding the nature of asdf, keywords, or both. 19:35:41 I don't think so 19:35:58 I'm guessing he wants the names to complete in SLIME. 19:36:04 hefner yes 19:36:29 you'd be fighting every other keyword for completion 19:36:54 frx: You could do it with ql-dist:available-systems and ql-dist:name 19:37:03 and, of course, intern 19:38:14 frx: if you really want it that badly, it'd be fairly easy to intern the available system names into a package with a short name, like sys 19:38:43 then you could do (ql:quickload sys:cl-TAB 19:40:11 I don't have ql-dist:available-systems. I'm using too old version? (few months old, not sure how to check) 19:42:03 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 19:42:28 frx: sorry, it is (ql-dist:provided-systems t) 19:45:12 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:46:09 thanks 19:46:43 wow I have 1300 systems installed 19:46:48 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 19:47:14 that's what happens when you quickload weblocks. 19:47:22 :) 19:47:43 LiamH [~healy@pool-74-96-10-77.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:48:24 I've wondered if anyone has ever tried to load everything in QL into one SBCL image, and how big it would get. 19:49:08 hefner: some systems conflict with each other 19:49:50 frx: "available" does not mean "installed", it means that QL knows about it. 19:51:00 yes I see now there's ql-dist:installed-systems too 19:52:53 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:53:08 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.235.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:54:16 Patterngazer_ [~Patternga@globulon.pck.nerim.net] has joined #lisp 19:54:27 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-025.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:54:44 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 19:54:44 p_l: that suggests a related challenge, of finding the largest non-conflicting subset of systems you can load into one image. 19:55:02 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:55:41 -!- Patterngazer [~Patternga@globulon.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:57:33 -!- pnathan [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:58:19 kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has joined #lisp 19:58:30 -!- _root_ [~Scalable@li252-14.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:58:35 It takes my system about 90 minutes to build each system in a completely fresh image. 19:58:44 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 20:00:41 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:01:38 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-024.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 20:02:39 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 20:05:44 EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@host100.201-253-129.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 20:05:47 _root_ [~Scalable@li252-14.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 20:08:21 -!- ThePawnBreak [~quassel@94.177.108.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:11:57 hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:12:08 -!- hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:12:28 -!- dtw [dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: +++ATH0] 20:13:10 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 20:13:47 -!- EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@host100.201-253-129.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:14:01 -!- kleppari_ [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:15:30 damn.. messing with lispbox.. it basically starts, but gives me some errors.. : 20:15:48 Warning: arch-dependent data dir (/tmp/lispbox-0.7/emacs-23.2/libexec/emacs/23.2/i686-pc-linux-gnu/) does not exist. 20:15:48 ets.. 20:15:52 *etc,, 20:16:01 tried google, but can't find any solution what would work.. 20:16:34 kruhft [~user@S0106002401f331bd.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 20:16:45 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-024.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:16:49 rvrebane: It might be easier to just ditch lispbox 20:17:13 http://www.mohiji.org/2011/01/modern-common-lisp-on-linux/ has good directions to get started without it 20:17:17 i have (push (truename "/home/burton/.asdf/") asdf:*central-reigstry*) in my .sbclrc and it seems to be complaining that *central-registry* is not defined in asdf anymore after I did an update a while back, any ideas if this is true? 20:18:29 kruhft: What is the actual complaint? 20:18:43 The exact wording is important. 20:18:52 Symbol "*CENTRAL-REIGSTRY*" not found in the ASDF package. 20:19:02 Do you see the issue? 20:19:09 *Xach* sees it now 20:19:24 ah, mispelling 20:19:33 must have done an erronious C-t 20:19:42 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:19:48 thanks, another set of eyes can help sometimes :) 20:19:59 Xach: thanks.. ! 20:20:04 -!- ASau` [~user@95-27-175-50.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:20:12 althought looking through contrib/asdf it seems that variable is obsolte and will be removed 20:20:23 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: mstevens] 20:20:47 kruhft: It won't be. 20:21:05 ASau` [~user@95-27-175-50.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 20:21:36 ok, good to know 20:22:02 i like your quicklisp but sometimes i just find it easier to symlink asd files if there are no dependencies 20:23:00 kruhft: one easy way to do that is to symlink into ~/quicklisp/local-projects/ which is automatically checked for systems (in subdirectories, too) 20:23:03 beware of the new asdf source-registry (:tree "~/my-projects") thing 20:23:33 s0ber_ [~s0ber@114-36-238-228.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:23:39 thanks Xach, good to know 20:23:46 I had debugged for more then an hour, trying to figure out wtf is going on, because I had proj1 and proj.old in there, and it found both and randomly loaded either 1 system or the other 20:24:24 maxm-: for what it's worth, in local-projects the shortest pathname wins 20:24:36 it's not perfect but it is deterministic 20:24:59 *maxm-* have not tried the local projects thing yet 20:25:16 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-241-131.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:25:27 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 20:25:28 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 20:25:33 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:25:57 -!- Sbidicuda [~antani@host188-225-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:26:11 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:26:57 EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@host212.201-252-47.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 20:27:24 mlm_ [~mlm@pool-96-255-227-156.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:27:51 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 20:29:04 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 20:29:08 greetings! my first time here 20:29:16 mlm_: welcome. 20:30:13 thx - what topics do people normally discuss here? 20:30:38 lisp-related, obviously 20:30:45 Common Lisp 20:31:21 xach, I tweeted you last night re: getting started on serious projects with CL, thx for the reply 20:31:55 No problem. 20:31:55 anyone here done any MPI related programming in CL? 20:32:14 mlm_: I don't know about anyone here, but I've heard of people doing it. 20:32:15 as in specific MPI or generally parallel stuff? 20:32:38 *maxm-* has ported Cilk, it probably will get rolled into l-parallel 20:32:42 MPI specifically, but general parallel stuff would be interesting to talk about as well 20:33:30 I build MPI/C++ apps for work that run on medium sized linux clusters, and I wanted to investigate doing some of my work in CL 20:34:01 someone just gave me an linky on doing multi-worker stuff with zeromq, lemme find it 20:34:07 mlm_: I believe most of the stuff that doesn't use RDMA should work 20:34:18 http://paste.lisp.org/display/126912 20:34:18 maxm-: http://paste.lisp.org/display/126912 at least one person used SBCL and MPI on a bluegene. 20:34:55 ah, I did some work on a bluegene last year - cool 20:35:25 -!- karswell__ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:27 maxm, p_l, thanks! 20:35:37 mlm_: most of the MPI api should work - I'm only worried about possible issues with RDMA implementations that might make wrong assumptions, but it should mostly work fine (just use FFI of chosen implementation or CFFI) 20:35:52 karswell__ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:36:08 there *will* be an increase in latency unless you go into crazy tricks, I think, but that's common in calling from anything other than C/C++ 20:36:24 yeah, we only use a small fraction of the API anyway (the more popular functions) 20:37:08 generally lisp is great for prototyping and quick testing and discarding of ad-hoc code 20:37:33 once you have something that you know will run for weeks, you can squeeze extra performance by porting to C++ 20:38:12 That was one of the lessons of Luke's ECLM talk (sans the "++") 20:38:13 -!- ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:13 not that there anything wrong with SBCL performance, generally I get around 70% speed of equivelent C++ code 20:38:17 maxm: you mean, specifically for MPI related apps, or in general? 20:38:21 ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has joined #lisp 20:38:28 mlm_: depends on the task 20:38:36 mlm_: FFI incurs a latency hit, for example 20:38:55 but honestly I find C++ easier to read then Lisp where 50% of code is declare and (the whatever (expression)) 20:38:59 measure first, then measure again till you got statistical data to back your optimization decision :) 20:39:05 which you need to get performance 20:39:12 maxm-: macro it out? 20:39:13 are there any CL implementations that generates C code (something like a Bigloo for scheme)? 20:39:23 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-045.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 20:39:33 maxm-: disagree. 20:39:36 mlm_: ECL compiles to C, though it isn't particularly efficient. 20:39:46 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 20:39:51 p_l: yea thats what I generally do.. /me is slowly moving his stuff from c++ to SBCL, but I don't have resources to throw out entirety of my c++ code developed over 10 years 20:41:01 given that people started using CPython on clusters, SBCL is a speed demon ;) 20:41:33 and everything loses against Fortran anyway ;) 20:41:34 yea if you have resources you just throw clusters at stuff novadays.. Its the development speed ad-hockishness that matter 20:42:01 p_l: I did that... python was used to call out to CL at first, and then C++. 20:42:05 the nice bit about C++ is you can write at a higher level of abstraction without paying the performance penalty you'd pay if you wrote the same way in idiomatic CL 20:42:40 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:42:58 hefner: there are various point on the pareto curve at which C or CL are more interesting depending on the perf objectives. 20:43:49 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:45:27 vairav [~vairav@74-95-6-5-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 20:45:28 As I understand it, sbcl is the recognized leader on linux when doing numerical calculations, so does this mean that for doing numerical calcs on a cluster, sbcl would still be the choice? 20:45:29 -!- _root_ [~Scalable@li252-14.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:45:56 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 20:46:21 when it's down to structs of arrays and intrinsics or inline asm, they're pretty much both equally improductive. It's easier to write and integrate a one-off compiler in CL, though. 20:46:58 if you are in a company that has budgets and stuff 20:47:01 mlm_: depends on how you use the cluster. It probably doesn't play too nice with libraries that fake a single address space for instance. 20:47:01 mlm_: possibly 20:47:01 dlowe: it's not prudent to do things with a package named SYS or SYSTEM: it may be used by the imeplementation for implementation specific stuff. 20:47:24 name it !! 20:47:35 you go at it like this.. 10 hours of hand optimizing at $80/hour is $800, or you buy one extra PC at $800 to add to the cluster 20:47:59 of course at extremes you run into the power usage, heat and all these things 20:48:16 maxm-: we might not have the same definition of cluster. 20:48:18 maxm-: optimizing code is a lot more fun than schlepping PC hardware :) 20:48:43 pkhuong: how would I know if the libraries that I use 'fake a single address space'? 20:48:49 so its not like its scalable from a garage team to google.. But if your environment already has their own data center with blades and stuff, then I would go with throwing more machines at it 20:50:03 mlm_: well, does it? Or do you use explicit message passing? 20:50:32 pkhuong: the mpi apps that we write are all message passing 20:51:05 pkhoung: do you mean things like openmp? 20:52:17 for example. 20:52:39 killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 20:54:58 _root_ [~Scalable@li252-14.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 20:55:41 Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:56:30 -!- kruhft [~user@S0106002401f331bd.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:56:46 -!- zophy [~zophy@host-5-150-220-24.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:01:07 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-31-211.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 21:01:32 -!- goldenlight [goldenligh@gateway/shell/devio.us/x-zoxuxehyrkhndfll] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:02:07 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@m212-152-28-246.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 21:03:45 How can I find out which :external-formats are supported when I open a file? 21:04:02 kami: read the manual of your implementation 21:04:18 Xach: fair enough 21:04:20 thanks 21:04:29 :default is always supported. 21:04:52 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:06:38 I was just staring at the javadoc of open in sbcl's fd-stream.lisp but (like always) overlooked the most important 'See the manual for details' 21:07:16 kami: the javadoc ? 21:07:21 kruhft [~user@S0106002401f331bd.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 21:08:06 Hehe. 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-!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:01 hi, what's mapcar equivalent for vectors? 22:13:25 Just a sec 22:13:32 nash_2424 [~nash_2424@cpe-001cdf0cb58f.cpe.cableonda.net] has joined #lisp 22:13:34 -!- nash_2424 [~nash_2424@cpe-001cdf0cb58f.cpe.cableonda.net] has left #lisp 22:13:53 (map 'vector ...) 22:13:59 thx 22:15:34 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-397867.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:33 Illiux [~nol@fq2-wireless-pittnet-47-127.wireless.pitt.edu] has joined #lisp 22:18:43 -!- ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has quit [Quit: ddp] 22:20:16 (apropos "DICTIONARY") 22:20:16 -!- Illiux [~nol@fq2-wireless-pittnet-47-127.wireless.pitt.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 22:20:21 Oops, wrong REPL. 22:20:36 #lisp evaluates? 22:21:44 Illiux [~nol@fq2-wireless-pittnet-47-127.wireless.pitt.edu] has joined #lisp 22:23:15 Not yet. 22:23:36 But it was written "lisp" in the prompt, so I thought it was it. 22:24:44 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Anyone here could send me a valid link to this video http://lispm.dyndns.org/mov/dsl-in-lisp.mov, or perhaps re-start the seeding on the torrent? 23:56:39 *hefner* will upload a mirror, if he happens to have the file on his hard disk 23:56:51 I would really appreciate! 23:57:09 -!- zenlunatic [~justin@c-68-48-40-231.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:57:54 Been a while since I saw data "disappears" 23:58:37 hefner: would youmind me downloading it too? 23:58:44 theconartist [~tca@thewired.me] has joined #lisp 23:58:48 *madnificent* can almost write text (stupid lag) 23:58:54 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 23:59:05 *hefner* will upload a mirror, if he happens to have the file on his hard disk 23:59:12 er, sorry. wrong window,.