00:00:18 petisnnake: paste the code more carefully. ;-) 00:00:45 http://pastebin.com/DnWfJSfg, done 00:00:52 vairav [~vairav@c-98-207-170-37.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:00:53 <|3b|> well, think about what happens when you call it with 15? 00:01:32 |3b|: HMMM 00:02:11 icrazyhack [~horieyui@183.93.198.19] has joined #lisp 00:02:13 Also the second arm of the COND is wrong unless you have a global variable named list. 00:02:14 <|3b|> we generally put ) all together, not on separate lines like C }s 00:02:56 dammit, forgot about the T on the second cond arm 00:03:09 Well, that will actually work but is bad style. 00:03:10 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:03:21 http://pastebin.com/9T2zbSLT 00:03:34 Except that it'll try to mapcar over L when it is an atom other than 2 00:03:45 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 00:04:10 the final version i just pasted still throws the aforementioned error 00:04:25 'a proper list cannot start with 15' 00:05:04 That's because you map over the outer list. Then you try to map over the first element which is 15. 00:06:20 Which is not, obviously, a list. 00:06:32 by why is the mapping different, when only the condition is changed? 00:06:48 <|3b|> because you decide when to map based on that condition 00:06:58 ah damnit 00:07:02 i got it 00:07:19 so to make it right, i need a condition to handle atom's that are not equal to 2? 00:07:32 So this is presumably homework. Because otherwise you'd just use SUBST, right? 00:08:00 it's an example from a book 00:08:07 *excercise 00:08:28 petisnnake: I'd have a clause for ATOM and then return whatever you want, i.e. (if (equal L 2) (list 3) L) 00:08:50 Is there a convenient method of checking the CPU time of individual threads 00:08:51 SBCL 00:09:18 gigamonkey: will do that, ty 00:10:46 -!- RomyRomy [~stickycak@64.134.99.28] has quit [Quit: RomyRomy] 00:16:47 Guthur: no. 00:18:03 pkhuong: any suggestions on possible approaches? 00:18:12 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:18:36 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 00:21:52 Guthur: platform? 00:22:29 -!- icrazyhack [~horieyui@183.93.198.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:23:25 icrazyhack [~horieyui@183.60.101.84] has joined #lisp 00:25:10 pkhuong: linux 00:26:35 the perf syscall. 00:26:51 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-179-209.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote 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I found some library code use "eval-when" inside defpsmacro to define a ps macro, but I don't find that ps support eval-when in its reference. is it missing in reference or I don't understand the usage ? thank you so much 03:42:13 -!- msponge [~msponge@30-7-244.wireless.csail.mit.edu] has quit [Quit: msponge] 03:42:54 A string question. What is the type of a literal string? It's obviously at least a string, but can it a base string as well if the compiler decides that all the characters are base-chars? 03:45:31 -!- teggi [148b9232@gateway/web/freenode/ip.20.139.146.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:48:36 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:51:36 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-ugayyjyzoiozgswe] has joined #lisp 03:52:38 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-179-209.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:53:06 hydo [~hydo@12.217.166.2] has joined #lisp 03:53:20 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 03:54:18 rtoym: AFAIK yes. 03:56:16 pjb: Thanks. That's what I thought. I guess I'll have to declare them as a string instead of a (simple-array character (*)). 03:56:26 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 03:56:49 msponge [~msponge@18.189.103.48] has joined #lisp 03:57:56 -!- froggey [~froggey@unaffiliated/froggey] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:58:21 "abc" is of type (SIMPLE-BASE-STRING 3) or (SIMPLE-ARRAY CHARACTER (3)) depending on the implementation, amongst the implementations that are installed on my system. 03:59:01 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 03:59:14 But then, those five implementations give four different types for 42... 04:03:12 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-179-209.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 04:04:14 -!- hydo [~hydo@12.217.166.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:04:17 tsanhwa: perhaps it's cl:eval-when? 04:04:53 hydo [~hydo@174-144-96-39.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 04:04:57 *rme* is happy to have one type of character in ccl 04:05:17 froggey [~froggey@unaffiliated/froggey] has joined #lisp 04:06:15 I toy with the idea of having an immutable string type, but I have no idea what to call it. 04:06:36 ayushj [~ayushj@c-50-135-152-107.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:06:39 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:08:58 ikki [~ikki@189.195.7.155] has joined #lisp 04:09:41 -!- hydo [~hydo@174-144-96-39.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:13:36 -!- ayushj [~ayushj@c-50-135-152-107.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:16:16 rme: it's not necessarily a type. It could be a property of the lisp object. (set-immutable object) 04:16:32 a dynamic property even. 04:17:14 -!- centipedefarmer_ [~centipede@75-170-150-51.desm.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:17:18 hydo [~hydo@12.217.166.2] has joined #lisp 04:19:57 I was thinking that the benefit of an immutable string would be that you could use various representations (utf-8, ascii, compressed. whatever) for the data. One might also give up O(1) access to individual characters. 04:20:36 Why shouldn't immutable strings havev O(1) aref? 04:20:51 Anyway, I don't mean to provoke character wars. 04:21:11 The benefit of immutable string is to get an error on mutation. 04:21:38 -!- hydo [~hydo@12.217.166.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:21:45 (defun f (ch) (let ((s "Hello")) (setf (aref s ch)) s)) (f #\h) --> error. 04:22:26 Right. I see that I am using the wrong word. 04:25:28 -!- Vivitron [~user@pool-173-48-170-228.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:25:41 Vivitron [~user@pool-173-48-170-228.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:26:24 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.195.7.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:27:08 -!- tsanhwa [~user@222.79.241.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:33:33 -!- sysop_fb [~fb@108-66-160-34.lightspeed.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:33:48 *rtoym* agrees with rme on having just one string type (in cmucl). 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09:33:24 H4ns: happens if there are directories/files with fancy names 09:33:29 (in /) 09:33:53 H4ns: don't think it's a particularly solid cause for concern. 09:34:19 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:34:27 jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has joined #lisp 09:35:01 kilon [~thekilon@178.59.17.196] has joined #lisp 09:35:39 dcguru [~chatzilla@66.129.60.130] has joined #lisp 09:36:06 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.231.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:36:17 -!- Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:37:57 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.231.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 09:38:19 pkhuong: i would agree, but then, the sb-posix contrib is not installed when the test fails, so i can't ignore it. 09:39:02 pkhuong: it seems that renaming the offending (factory installed) file in the root directory helped, but i'd think that the test should not be as brittle if passing is required for a successful build. 09:39:41 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:40:19 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-031.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 09:40:21 Joreji_ [~thomas@u-0-031.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 09:40:21 Joreji__ [~thomas@u-0-031.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 09:40:43 (i.e. it could read "." instead of "/", knowing that the source distribution does not contain file names with non-ascii characters) 09:41:24 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.148.193.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:43:01 ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has joined #lisp 09:44:24 zhangkaizhao [~zhangkaiz@27.47.13.83] has joined #lisp 09:44:46 -!- zhangkaizhao [~zhangkaiz@27.47.13.83] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 09:44:53 H4ns: I don't know what other issues there are here. ISTR that test reading another directory before. 09:45:19 zhangkaizhao [~zhangkaiz@27.47.13.83] has joined #lisp 09:46:11 kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has joined #lisp 09:46:22 anaumov [~anaumov@dslb-088-070-049-216.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 09:46:48 i see. well, thanks anyway, i've got it to work now. 09:47:57 waydotnet [~user@host133-202-static.9-188-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 09:50:01 -!- teggi [148b9232@gateway/web/freenode/ip.20.139.146.50] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:50:57 -!- waydotnet [~user@host133-202-static.9-188-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Client Quit] 09:51:43 waydotnet [~user@host133-202-static.9-188-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 09:52:10 -!- nostoi [~nostoi@189.Red-79-151-42.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 09:52:13 -!- waydotnet [~user@host133-202-static.9-188-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has left #lisp 09:56:46 and i'm impressed, sbcl outperforms both allegro cl and ccl by a wide margin on osx, with my application. 09:57:24 H4ns: what kind of application is that? 09:57:57 jdz: i'm loading and merging large EDI data files, with the database resident in ram (~6GB) 09:59:28 H4ns: if there is a lot of boxed data, there might be huge differences between linux and OS X, for all three (they all have generational GCs via mprotect, iirc) 10:00:23 pkhuong: yeah, i've recognized that. allegro cl is particularly slow on osx. 10:00:50 for some reason, handling protection failures on darwin takes orders of magnitude more cycles. 10:01:23 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:01:35 COWing zero pages is also amazingly slow, for the same reason, I suppose. 10:01:37 that could be very well the issue. i've not investigated much, but it seemed that garbage collection was causing the slowness of acl. 10:01:41 H4ns: doesn't one generally expect sbcl to be faster than other impls? 10:02:30 I'll integrate websockets handling into my project, do you think it could make any sense including cgi too ? 10:02:31 Ralith: depends on the kind of code, and coding style. 10:02:50 Ralith: one would. interestingly, with a different load pattern, i found ccl to be faster than both sbcl and allegro on osx. it really depends. 10:03:01 Ralith: my web application is way more nimble on ccl than on sbcl 10:03:02 weird. 10:03:31 I hadn't realized performance was significantly sensitive to load order. 10:04:20 Ralith: i meant load as in "application load pattern" not cl:load 10:04:28 okay, then I have no idea what you mean 10:04:31 oh! 10:04:34 now I do. 10:04:52 what kind of load did you find ccl to excel at, then? 10:05:02 assuming it is easily quantifiable 10:05:13 but current CPUs *are* very fickle beasts, and the addresses at which code is located can matter a lot. 10:05:15 Ralith: it is faster when i'm not loading 3 million records into a hash table, but start empty 10:05:40 H4ns: oh yeah, our hash tables aren't that hot on insertion or growth. 10:06:34 H4ns: faster when you do not preallocate the hash table space, you mean? 10:06:38 well anyway, the good thing about common lisp is that one can just use the compiler that is fastest with the application at hand. 10:06:48 good standards are nice like that. 10:07:05 in this case, it's a pure runtime library issue, though. 10:07:18 Ralith: i've really not gone much into investigating why. i try all three, and use the one that is fastest. 10:07:22 If we had a really good standard, we would have useful primitive to implement good hash tables portably. 10:07:26 *Ralith* nod 10:07:43 pkhuong: we don't? 10:07:47 no. 10:07:54 what would you say is missing? 10:08:16 a good hash function? 10:08:40 er... I'm not sure I follow. What stops you from writing one in native CL? 10:08:47 SXHASH is only good for EQUALP. We have no way to hash on EQL. 10:08:53 pkhuong: wasn't there recently someone here that created a hashtables in common lisp very close to the speed of sbcl's hash-tables? 10:09:19 pkhuong: i didn't thoroughly check it 10:09:28 well, i didn't check it at all actually 10:09:29 Ideally, we'd have parameterised (universal) hash functions, or at least a family of 2-4, or one that returns many fixnums. 10:10:29 are there maintainers of tech.coop on #lisp? 10:11:04 -!- chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-63-146.lns1.dea.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:11:33 java's (default) is more useful, except that it only has a single equal/hash method pair. 10:12:08 silenius [~silenius@i59F70D53.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 10:15:57 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:17:53 trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 10:17:57 -!- ASau [~user@93-80-123-238.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:18:26 ASau [~user@95-28-56-167.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 10:20:12 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 10:21:00 is there any way to prevent sbcl from crashing when it reaches the dynamic-space-size limit? 10:22:20 tcr1 [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:22:34 BlankVer1e [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 10:24:23 rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-206-28.uio.no] has joined #lisp 10:24:55 H4ns: not yet. david and nikodemus have branches. 10:25:11 -!- kilon [~thekilon@178.59.17.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:25:42 CMUCL handles that more gracefully, doesn't it? 10:25:46 pkhuong: are they worth trying? 10:26:20 pkhuong: i mean, i find it rather offensive to see how fast it is and then crash right at the end :) 10:26:58 I'm not sure. It's meant to have a soft limit that's enough to signal a condition, but if it runs out of heap during a GC, you're screwed. 10:27:00 kilon [~thekilon@178.59.17.196] has joined #lisp 10:27:37 *H4ns* tries upping the limit 10:28:32 -!- rmathews [~roshan@122.174.24.130] has quit [Quit: ...] 10:29:00 c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-tzglboeipxmgqbhq] has joined #lisp 10:29:56 hefner: re FFTs, I'll try to have a releasable version of Napa-FFT3 soon; if you have usage comments, I'd be happy to hear your thoughts (: 10:30:03 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.203.106] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:30:27 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.203.106] has joined #lisp 10:32:01 *hefner* has been thinking about how he might play with that 10:33:05 it's now within 5% of FFTW for large in-order transforms, and faster with bit-reversed output (!) 10:33:21 that is really amazing. 10:35:44 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:36:48 the reason is that, while the cache hierarchy is really unforgiving of cache misses, caches are getting really nice, with incredibly high associativity (like 8 or 16 way) 10:40:42 I'm curious, if you're making such effective use of caches and main memory bandwidth, is how your throughput scales with additional threads/cores 10:41:45 (either separate transforms in a large batch, or the same one, if Napa-FFT can distribute the work of one transform across threads) 10:42:48 add^_ [~add^_^@m212-152-3-121.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 10:43:35 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:44:44 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:45:09 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:47:22 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.203.106] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:47:37 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.203.106] has joined #lisp 10:50:39 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.110.241] has joined #lisp 10:52:08 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-179-209.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:52:40 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.110.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:57:26 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181130220.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 10:57:31 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 11:00:36 I was thinking about how I used to get 3-3.5x more work out of four threads of BFFT on a quad core machine, but come to think of it, I was always using small transform sizes that would fit comfortably in the caches. 11:03:23 bjonnh [~bjonnh@147.210.71.83] has joined #lisp 11:06:22 anybody know if cxml/xml/sax-tests/*.lisp are usable and/or maintained? 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I had that for the first sqrt(n) radix. 11:47:21 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-qwcpjkbprbwservd] has left #lisp 11:47:25 anaumov_ [~anaumov@dslb-088-070-077-249.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 11:47:27 the bit-reversal might actually be super linear. 11:48:27 -!- realitygrill_ [~realitygr@76.226.203.106] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:30 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.203.106] has joined #lisp 11:49:37 cyrillos [~cyrill@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru] has joined #lisp 11:50:48 mlkith [~redmundia@mail.madito.es] has joined #lisp 11:51:16 Vutral [~ss@vutral.net] has joined #lisp 11:51:40 jjkola_work: pong 11:51:47 when I connect to a running process with SLIME *standard-output* is mapped to the other value, but old threads still use the old value. so I'm printing to two different streams. is this expected? any way to work around it? 11:52:57 I guess slime is using (let ((*standard-output*)) instead of setfing it? that's not what I want though 11:54:23 mlkith: 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[~dnjaramba@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 14:41:24 ThomasH [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has joined #lisp 14:41:31 Greetings lispers 14:41:52 greetings tmh 14:42:06 heh 14:42:09 osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has joined #lisp 14:42:23 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.203.106] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:42:34 is there a way to set default test for assoc or do I have to specify it manually in every assoc I use? 14:42:44 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.203.106] has joined #lisp 14:42:47 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 14:42:50 Kvaks [~kvaks@139.158.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 14:43:00 -!- SurlyFrog [~Adium@c-24-118-228-15.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:43:05 osa1: You have to specify it. 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srolls [~user@c-76-126-212-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:23:41 kilon [~kilon@ppp-94-64-180-135.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 16:23:54 I was trying to run a sbcl.build file, and got this error: ASDF could not load loic-cli because component "unix-options" not found 16:24:13 how can I fix this? Don't know much about asdf 16:25:07 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-73.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 16:26:02 -!- anaumov_ [~anaumov@dslb-088-070-077-249.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:26:12 paul0: You have to find a project with unix-options.asd and put it somewhere asdf knows about. 16:26:27 paul0: What is a sbcl.build file? 16:26:54 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:26:55 looks like a sbcl script 16:27:04 it starts with #!/usr/bin/sbcl 16:27:09 https://github.com/lorax/cl-loic/blob/master/cli/sbcl.build 16:28:04 paul0: It looks like if you put unix-options in ../../ it will work. 16:28:37 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.17.45] has joined #lisp 16:28:37 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.17.45] has quit [Changing host] 16:28:37 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 16:29:51 -!- kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has quit [Quit: return 0;] 16:30:02 slime debugger doesn't show full stack trace, am I missing something? 16:30:06 h0x00 [~h0x00@91.207.42.52] has joined #lisp 16:30:11 -!- h0x00 [~h0x00@91.207.42.52] has quit [Client Quit] 16:30:34 No --more-- at the bottom? 16:30:46 Xach: it doesn't go into my code though 16:31:02 rvirding [~chatzilla@c-3c90e255.56-4-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 16:31:23 I feel like a blind kitten poking my face into things I don't yet comprehend 16:31:45 -!- alvis [~alvis@tx-184-5-64-249.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:32:01 MikeSeth: Hard to say. Maybe pasting it to paste.lisp.org will make it easier to suggest a solution. 16:32:10 Xach: http://pastebin.com/yHS19iTa 16:32:40 MikeSeth: what platform? 16:32:52 Xach: linux x86, sbcl 1.0.50 16:32:56 cvs slime 16:33:01 *Xach* hmms 16:33:14 -!- gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [] 16:33:28 Xach: slime PROBLEMS file says debugger view-source command doesn't play nice with sbcl's default compilation settings, is this related? 16:33:30 MikeSeth: I've seen those in the past but I don't really remember the circumstances. 16:33:47 MikeSeth: no, I don't think so. Do you get a different result with the current SBCL? 16:33:56 let's see 16:34:24 it also maybe some sort of messup on emacs/swank side 16:34:34 I find it pretty funny that somebody who wants access to a low orbit ion cannon is asking for compile help on a public irc channel. 16:34:49 MikeSeth: no, not likely 16:35:30 -!- vantage|work [~chatzilla@d5152EDDB.static.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 9.0.1/20111220165912]] 16:35:50 Fade: low orbit ion cannons are for whale hunting 16:36:06 sho'nuff 16:36:22 Xach: it'll take me a moment to find out if I have the stable sbcl set up and spawn it in slime 16:36:36 thanks for all the help 16:37:07 Xach: thanks for your help, I'll try later, need to to some work now 16:37:37 uhh, my 1.0.54 is dirty, I, uh, messed with its internal 16:37:51 1.0.54 is pretty old 16:39:20 oh, .55 is out, I didn't realize 16:41:04 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:42:08 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit 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fe[nl]ix: is it normal for a blocking call (wait-all t) on receive-from to occupy the CPU by a significant amount 18:06:17 -!- derekv [~derekv@c-71-238-24-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:06:56 this is iolib obviously 18:08:20 zmv [~zmv@187.105.243.179] has joined #lisp 18:09:08 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.124.145] has joined #lisp 18:09:30 ddp_ [~ddp@216.243.111.165] has joined #lisp 18:11:01 SeanTAllen [u4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-diavkkpentoxgnxa] has joined #lisp 18:11:42 parabolize [~gyro@c-75-71-247-61.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:11:51 davazp [~user@89.100.226.133] has joined #lisp 18:12:27 -!- ddp [~ddp@anon-136-236.relakks.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:12:27 -!- ddp_ is now known as ddp 18:14:05 jacius [~jacius@c-24-13-89-230.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:14:30 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 18:15:41 -!- attila_lendvai 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[~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:14:20 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:14:26 fe[nl]ix: I have this 19:14:31 http://paste.lisp.org/display/127190 19:15:00 I also have 2 other threads but they are waiting in sb-concurrency:receive-message 19:16:39 -!- ddp [~ddp@216.243.111.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:17:58 oGMo glx in clx (quiklisp) is experimental, I can not to run test code on linux/nvidia-290.10-2 19:18:16 ddp [~ddp@216.243.111.165] has joined #lisp 19:18:28 ddp_ [~ddp@216.243.111.165] has joined #lisp 19:18:30 But test code works on windows cygwin/x 19:18:35 -!- ddp [~ddp@216.243.111.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:19:08 how do you run the test-codes ? 19:19:42 i have a nvidia-260 version x8664 here 19:19:45 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 19:19:46 -!- dtw 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19:27:30 I have the same arch x86_64, but I think problem is in glx extension protocol realization. 19:27:34 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 19:28:20 maxm---- [~user@p84-72.acedsl.com] has joined #lisp 19:28:23 -!- maxm--- [~user@p84-72.acedsl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:28:54 -!- cmpitg [~cmpitg@58.187.95.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:29:55 ddp [~ddp@216.243.111.165] has joined #lisp 19:30:23 -!- tfb [~tfb@92.40.134.55.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 19:30:36 tfb [~tfb@92.40.134.55.threembb.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:30:36 -!- tfb [~tfb@92.40.134.55.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:32:44 -!- petercoulton [~petercoul@152.105.132.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:33:24 Guthur: in call-with-retry, the declarations are useless(they don't do what you think) and the rest should be written using a restart 19:34:37 Guthur: wait-all is only useful on blocking sockets, and when you get an EWOULDBLOCK the right thing is to poll the socket before retrying 19:34:43 otherwise all you get is a busy loop 19:36:18 bubo [~bubo@178-191-146-3.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 19:37:58 saint_cypher [~rjspotter@208.178.63.106] has joined #lisp 19:39:54 anonus [~anonymous@88.80.28.189] has joined #lisp 19:40:04 ch077179 [~ch077179@unaffiliated/ch077179] has joined #lisp 19:40:09 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 19:41:07 oh man the (in-package :gl-test) thing does not work here 19:41:21 tho clx-system is loaded 19:43:23 fe[nl]ix: that's sounds like what I've got, busy doing nothing 19:43:43 centipedefarmer_ [~centipede@75-162-52-240.desm.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:43:47 -!- zmv [~zmv@187.105.243.179] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:47 wbooze: sorry, I will paste whole code. And if you have time, please test it. http://paste.lisp.org/+2Q54 19:43:56 fe[nl]ix: do you mean use the multiplexer stuff to poll? 19:44:25 ddp_ [~ddp@216.243.111.165] has joined #lisp 19:44:55 -!- ddp [~ddp@216.243.111.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45:43 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 19:46:03 -!- ddp_ [~ddp@216.243.111.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:46:10 on a side not I just adapted that from something I was using somewhere else, I was orginally a restart but that had more overhead in really tight loop situations 19:46:23 I/it 19:46:53 btw guys, are you using this clx: http://common-lisp.net/gitweb?p=users/abridgewater/clx.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/glx-fixes ? 19:46:56 ddp [~ddp@216.243.111.165] has joined #lisp 19:47:00 compared to the tagbody and go 19:47:37 jdz, I use it from ql repos. 19:47:51 -!- dmiles_a1k [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-50-021.cascadeaccess.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:52 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-50-021.cascadeaccess.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:48:30 asvil: i'm not sure if those changes are in QL 19:48:57 jjkola [~jjkola@178-55-81-142.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 19:48:59 jdz: thanks for link, I am clonning now. 19:49:08 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-14-175.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:49:29 nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-73-37.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 19:49:53 -!- davazp [~user@89.100.226.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:13 Guthur: or use iomux:wait-until-fd-ready 19:50:43 -!- ddp [~ddp@216.243.111.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:51:08 -!- hydo [~hydo@69.170.161.42] has quit [Quit: hydo] 19:51:20 Cosman246 [~cosman246@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 19:51:42 Guthur: or make the socket blocking 19:51:45 ddp [~ddp@216.243.111.165] has joined #lisp 19:53:33 -!- bubo [~bubo@178-191-146-3.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has left #lisp 19:54:45 MoALTz [~no@host-92-18-0-61.as13285.net] has joined #lisp 19:57:05 Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #lisp 19:58:25 jdz: unfortunatly the same error was raised, when I used clx from your link. May be gl-test is wrong? 19:59:10 fe[nl]ix: umm I thought it was a blocking call, is there something it the make-socket I am missing to specify a blocking socket? 20:00:26 sorry, I downloaded master without lastest patches 20:00:51 oh man so annoying i can't get do-all-test to stop now 20:01:02 asvil: the code is experimental, anyway. 20:03:27 Guthur: no, you need to do it yourself: (setf (isys:fd-nonblock-p (socket-os-fd socket)) nil) 20:04:13 gniourf_gniourf [~Gniourf@2a01:e35:2433:3b90:222:41ff:fe23:8d8e] has joined #lisp 20:04:15 aaa double negatives 20:04:32 add^_ [~add^_^@m212-152-3-121.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 20:06:31 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:06:49 dmiles_a1k [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-50-021.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 20:06:51 jdz: can I ask you some question about glx? 20:07:14 jdz: ...about errors... 20:07:17 fe[nl]ix: ok, cheers 20:07:33 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-50-021.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 20:08:04 -!- ddp [~ddp@216.243.111.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08:38 -!- pjb- [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:10:54 calliostro [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-38-71-159.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 20:11:35 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-162-142.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Client Quit] 20:13:29 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:15:42 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-162-142.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:18:44 -!- dnolen [aa95640a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.170.149.100.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:19:08 -!- Cosman246 [~cosman246@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19:29 -!- EarlGray^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:20:29 EarlGray^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 20:23:00 ddp [~ddp@216.243.111.165] has joined #lisp 20:23:34 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@m212-152-3-121.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 20:25:09 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-46.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:25:54 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:28:21 -!- EarlGray^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:28:40 dnolen [aa95640a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.170.149.100.10] has joined #lisp 20:28:41 macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-17-133.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 20:29:09 -!- gigamonk` is now known as gigamonkey 20:29:52 -!- calliostro [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-38-71-159.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31:35 easy-iPad [~easyipad@213.47.71.36] has joined #lisp 20:32:26 -!- jjkola [~jjkola@178-55-81-142.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 20:37:02 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.235.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:38:15 Is there any sort of builtin to find the first difference in a sequence? Something like (position nil (map 'list #'eql s1 s2)) only that doesn't call eql on each member if there is a difference early on 20:38:19 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.48.251] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 20:39:32 jasom: mismatch 20:40:46 lnostdal [~lnostdal@149.62.178.226] has joined #lisp 20:41:07 gigamonkey: Thanks! (how did I miss that? I have the hyperspec up on the sequences dictionary) 20:42:21 -!- easy-iPad [~easyipad@213.47.71.36] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:42:37 easy-iPad [~easyipad@213.47.71.36] has joined #lisp 20:43:15 Impure heart perhaps 20:48:14 *anonus* touches flip215 20:48:28 again problems with indenting in slimv 20:48:32 hey, this is family channel 20:49:35 anonus: paste, please 20:49:42 one moment 20:50:50 flip215: http://sprunge.us/AIBi?cl 20:51:28 araujo [~araujo@190.73.44.29] has joined #lisp 20:51:28 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.73.44.29] has quit [Changing host] 20:51:28 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 20:51:41 -!- Yuuhi`` [benni@p5483AE1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:52:54 hmmm, that's perhaps my fault ... I suggested to have lists of keywords indented like this 20:53:06 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 20:53:07 not it is permanent, not depends on REPL 20:53:24 yes, that's hardcoded in slimv.vim I believe 20:53:29 mmm 20:53:47 osa1 [~sinan@88.242.141.170] has joined #lisp 20:53:53 that's a bad example in fact, because the :use is a keyword that has a descriptional character here 20:53:55 maybe it's ok for abstract keywords list, but not for one in defpackage... 20:54:01 like a function name elsewhere 20:54:12 yes, that's another special case. Hmmm, bad. 20:54:29 please tell Tamás, perhaps he's got an idea how to handle that. 20:54:40 ok 20:55:08 tell him by email or file a bug report on github ? 20:55:45 s/github/bitbucket/ 20:56:21 gigamonkey: Are you going to the Bay Area Lisp meetup on the 28th? 20:57:08 Xach: not sure. why? 20:57:26 It looks like 1 thrill per minute 20:57:41 Ron Garret is giving a lightning talk! 20:58:08 "No pimping of douchy startups." 20:58:30 I might have to go just to heckle Garret. 20:58:54 Print out & read his package guide to get warmed up. 21:00:23 You have inside knowledge or you just guessing what he'll be rant^W talking about. 21:00:27 anonus: email, the github is just an import done by somebody else 21:01:07 i can't run the gl-test tests too 21:01:08 flip215: can you tell me his e-mail? 21:01:27 but it's obscure, the test function itself is wrong somehow.... 21:01:44 gigamonkey: No, I just think it's a good way to get really irritated 21:01:49 anonus: look here http://www.vim.org/account/profile.php?user_id=16470 21:01:49 also i can write him on bitbucket 21:01:53 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:02:18 thx 21:04:35 Yuuhi [benni@p5483AE1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:04:53 -!- [SLB] [~balthasar@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: [ Close the World, Open the nExt ]] 21:07:13 realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has joined #lisp 21:09:00 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-73.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Quit: Kron awayyy!] 21:09:50 senj [~senj@S01060026f323bcdf.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 21:10:53 now it looks like this http://picpaste.de/pics/Bildschirmfoto2-czeZ6z29.1327093743.png 21:11:59 -!- easy-iPad [~easyipad@213.47.71.36] has quit [Quit: Outta here?] 21:12:05 kenanb [~user@94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 21:12:32 Cosman246 [~cosman246@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 21:12:34 Is PROBE-FILE sufficient to check if a directory exists? Or is CL-FAD:DIRECTORY-EXISTS-P the correct way? 21:13:35 Qworkescence: on some implementations (well, clisp), PROBE-FILE works only on non-directories 21:14:05 ah, okay 21:14:37 i just changed some stuff here in gl-test http://picpaste.de/pics/Bildschirmfoto3-DJfH74Kq.1327094053.png 21:14:58 cause the X does not allow opening... 21:15:35 but running it i get an error, a widow opens and is displayed in black but the error is like functions arg0: is 2 21:16:40 like here in the pic http://picpaste.de/pics/Bildschirmfoto4-qYec8QxW.1327094179.png 21:17:29 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 21:17:32 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:18:16 when doing a nested backquote, how do you get the value of a variable from the one level up, rather than the current backquote level? 21:18:24 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129082109.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 21:18:28 i tried ,,var but that doesn't seem to work 21:18:31 don't know where the error is tho, expanding in the debugger you see it like here http://picpaste.de/pics/Bildschirmfoto5-76OtZbr7.1327094269.png 21:18:49 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@89.41.212.159] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:19:42 mishoo_ [~mishoo@89.41.212.159] has joined #lisp 21:20:09 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 21:22:34 homie: thanks. What stuff did you change? Now I am trying to sniff x protocol to compare invalid gl-test with glxgears. 21:22:37 bsamograd: is the same variable bound to some other value in the current scope of expression 21:22:55 hydo [~hydo@69.170.161.42] has joined #lisp 21:23:39 no, i have a top level macro with a variable var, that defines a macro. inside the second macro definition i want to expand var with the value from the toplevel 21:24:14 well i'm homie too here, my clx-demo.lisp stuff runs, but the loop around the demo's is annoying it does not terminate here, and trinyg to load glx-test.lisp and change to the package and run the function with (test #'gear) i got those errors (homie=me) pasted 21:24:16 i've managed to get (let ((v ',var)) `(whatever ,v)) to work, but i thought there might be a better way 21:24:21 jkantz [~jkantz@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 21:24:35 with the let being right above the second level of nesting 21:25:13 it's two let*'s nested and one ctx set with setf ctx in the second let* 21:25:51 ctx is nil in the first 21:26:18 and after ctx is set it's assigned a gc-context, i don't know if that's the offending line there 21:26:19 -!- hydo [~hydo@69.170.161.42] has quit [Client Quit] 21:29:51 and the test functions default display is set to 1 in the original version.... 21:32:40 s0ber_ [~s0ber@114-36-233-132.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:33:16 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-191-2.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:36 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-239-67.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:34:43 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 21:34:45 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:35:03 pjb not around? i'm sure he could answer my question... 21:35:50 -!- paul0 [~user@189.114.198.57.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:41:30 ah the joy of backquote quoting issues 21:41:39 bsamograd: without a paste no one is going to bother 21:42:19 -!- osa1 [~sinan@88.242.141.170] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:42:46 -!- msponge [~msponge@30-7-244.wireless.csail.mit.edu] has quit [Quit: msponge] 21:43:15 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.124.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:43:28 (open ... :direction :probe) does not need a corresponding CLOSE, is that right? 21:45:35 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45:40 The CLHS says the file stream is closed. So I suppose not. 21:45:43 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-162-142.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Client Quit] 21:46:20 Qworkescence: Most of the time I like PROBE-FILE 21:46:22 http://paste.lisp.org/display/127195#1 21:47:15 -!- Guthur [~user@host86-150-22-39.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:47:42 i'm trying to see how to get the value of the top level var in the secondary level defmacro and defsetf without the (let ((v ',var)) ...) that i'm using (which works, but I don't like it) 21:48:17 Guthur [~user@host86-150-22-39.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 21:49:59 Kron_ [~Kron@199.91.214.37] has joined #lisp 21:51:31 bsamograd: why? 21:51:42 -!- ASau [~user@95-28-56-167.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:43 bsamograd: I mean, why not like it? 21:52:06 bsamograd: also: what if the form given is actually not a var but an expression? 21:52:08 -!- wedgeV [~wedge@static-96-239-100-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: wedgeV] 21:52:09 ASau [~user@95-24-215-26.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 21:54:13 because what i'm writing is for defining active variables 21:54:28 i don't like it because i thought there was a better way to do it, hence my asking 21:54:35 not active expressions... 21:56:24 well, if you're using ',var everywhere in your defmacro where you were using v, then that should solve it 21:56:50 that doesn't seem to work, i tried that already 21:57:01 at least not in the nested backquotes 21:57:11 i get a 'var not defined' error during compilation 21:57:31 right. nested back quotes need nested unquoting. 21:57:52 i thought someone might be able to shed some light on such magic 21:58:23 ``(hello ,,var) 21:58:36 or 21:58:37 nope, that didn't work either...i've tried a number of things 21:58:46 ``(hello ',',var) 21:58:59 i do also seem to be getting something else wierd...the setf expansion seems to be defining an unused variable for some reason 21:59:05 but i'll post that to sbcl-users 21:59:15 i could try that...just a sec 21:59:44 it's probably one quote too many: the first one. 21:59:50 not sure though 22:00:07 but then i still have two ,v's later that i have to deal with 22:00:51 also inside double backquoted context? 22:00:56 should use the same solution 22:00:57 yes 22:01:34 i'll keep playing and see what happens 22:01:54 -!- maxm---- is now known as maxm 22:02:18 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Quit: bye] 22:03:02 -!- maxm is now known as maxm- 22:04:08 oh, i think the ,',var works for the ,v and ',',var works for ',v 22:04:10 homie: thanks for help, I shall continue tomorrow. 22:04:25 -!- asvil [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has left #lisp 22:05:29 excellent, the mystery of double backquote expansions sort of explained 22:05:44 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 22:05:44 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-162-142.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:06:05 now to figure out why the hell that works 22:06:16 -!- jkantz [~jkantz@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:07:24 *sykopomp* just tried using DESCRIBE on a standard symbol on clisp. Didn't expect that! 22:09:11 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@89.41.212.159] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:09:14 mishoo__ [~mishoo@89.41.212.159] has joined #lisp 22:10:58 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:11:02 ovechkin [~ovechkin@c-24-1-36-10.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:16:02 -!- silver_ [~kingrat@178.121.157.73] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:37 msponge [~msponge@18.189.103.48] has joined #lisp 22:19:06 -!- dnolen [aa95640a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.170.149.100.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:19:57 asvil [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has joined #lisp 22:20:04 -!- EyesIsServer is now known as EyesIsAsleep 22:20:08 ok, I found problem in glx. 22:20:25 what is it ? 22:20:58 glx:choose-visual returns wrong result for linux 22:21:57 oh 22:22:06 did you fix it ? 22:22:06 I change all (glx:visual-id visual) to #x27 (value is captured from valid glgears), and window is created 22:22:32 or rather what do you think how it could be fixed ? 22:23:17 wait i'll try that too 22:23:48 oh, yes, try it first 22:24:18 how did you get the #x27 value there ? 22:25:23 -!- tvaalen [~r@67.217.170.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:25:34 erm, can i see your code ? 22:26:55 -!- sureaint [~mortimer@65-86-91-130.client.dsl.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:27:00 wireshark captures x11 protocol and glxgears 22:27:11 wait 22:27:51 and i have another fault with clim-user package, when i change current dir within sb-aclrepl my path in clim-user changes too in the listener, and back in sb-aclrepl when i do a :pwd it shows the path changed but :sh ls shows always my home-path somehow.... 22:28:05 hey wbooze 22:28:12 ok 22:28:20 lo beslyrus 22:30:08 so the path thing seems to be a global but why is ls always defaulting to my home path ? 22:30:30 even after i changed the current working dir ? 22:30:54 wbooze: http://paste.lisp.org/+2Q59 22:30:59 tvaalen [~r@67.217.170.35] has joined #lisp 22:31:02 ah thank you asvil 22:31:09 ugly code, I copied it from repl 22:39:02 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-57-94.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 22:39:19 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:40:11 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-162-142.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:39 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-319993.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:43 EarlGray^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 22:41:18 -!- katm_13 [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: If only your veins were filled with oil, the world would rush to your rescue!] 22:44:25 wbooze: Could you show output of code, which is in private message. 22:44:41 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - 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