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Help? 00:20:12 I'm on Win7, if that helps 00:20:33 -!- mikecsh [~mikecsh@203.145.92.116] has quit [Quit: mikecsh] 00:21:18 Frozenlo`: you'll need an X server, at least. 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#lisp 08:11:49 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.138.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:11:50 Ralith: I'm working with JSON data and cl-json coverts keys in JSON dictionaries to keywords. I want to replace some text(string) from a template file with data in JSON 08:12:26 I don't know what you mean. 08:12:36 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-214-104-253.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: sleep] 08:12:43 osa1: no, (intern) is fine. 08:12:45 DelPuerto [~youguy@103.Red-88-30-67.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 08:13:15 ovechkin [~ovechkin@c-24-1-36-10.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:13:25 but why would you need to intern the keywords? cl-json does so when necessary 08:13:53 *madnificent* never found keywords necessary in jsown either 08:16:06 flip215: I'm having trouble explaining my problem(my english sucks). basically I'm parsing template file, which gives me variables as strings. and reading JSON file which gives me plists and normal lists. I need to get values of variables in this plists and plists' keys are keywords. 08:17:05 osa1: you should use find-symbol, not intern 08:17:13 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:17:48 Ralith: how does find-symbol help me coverting strings to keywords? 08:18:04 osa1: how does intern? 08:18:05 anaumov [~anaumov@opensuse/member/Alexander-Naumov] has joined #lisp 08:18:16 Ralith: (intern (string-upcase str) "KEYWORD") 08:18:27 that's a form, not an explanation. 08:18:35 osa1: and why not :KEYWORD? 08:19:30 osa1: and you can instruct cl-json to not intern symbols, if i remember correctly 08:20:45 -!- pjb- [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:22:59 (second (member "KEY" '(:key "value") :key 'string :test 'equal)) => "value" 08:23:19 osa1: yason's api allows you to specify a function to convert between json strings and their lisp representation 08:24:15 with :test 'equalp you wouldn't need to upcase string 08:24:47 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:26:08 H4ns: thanks, I'm looking it now 08:26:58 -!- kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:27:11 -!- DelPuerto [~youguy@103.Red-88-30-67.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:27:52 varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 08:29:56 cyrillos [~cyrill@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru] has joined #lisp 08:30:11 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:30:45 -!- pavelpenev [~pavelludi@83.222.167.145] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:31:13 doesn't cl-json provide accessors for the objects in the string-representation? 08:31:37 *madnificent* wouldn't like to use json without that feature 08:32:27 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-210.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:32:57 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-126.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 08:33:02 pavelpenev [~pavelludi@83.222.167.145] has joined #lisp 08:33:03 -!- rmathews [~roshan@122.174.27.49] has quit [Quit: ...] 08:35:59 -!- Kryztof [~user@77-58-246-74.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:37:24 Blkt [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 08:38:45 kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has joined #lisp 08:39:32 -!- _nix00 [~Adium@58.33.105.106] has left #lisp 08:40:42 good morning everyone 08:41:20 kanru` [~user@118-163-10-187.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 08:41:44 just took a look at cl-json and it's using alist. so it would be (cdr (assoc "key" * :test 'equalp :key 'string)) 08:41:46 -!- nostoi [~nostoi@161.Red-79-154-132.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 08:42:08 gensym [~user@2a00:5a80:ffff:1:52e5:49ff:fe27:95df] has joined #lisp 08:42:55 kennyd: I didn't know :key parameter of assoc, thanks 08:43:03 no problem 08:44:16 plists are still problem though, it's hard do distinguish JSON lists from JSON dictionaries since both of them basically converted to CL lists. I think I'll go on with YASON 08:45:04 if you were using slime by the way you arguments function accepts would be echoed as you were typing it 08:46:27 frx [~frx@76.73.16.26] has joined #lisp 08:47:11 hello. how can i generate more than one defun in a macro 08:47:26 kushal [~kdas@114.143.162.62] has joined #lisp 08:47:31 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.162.62] has quit [Changing host] 08:47:31 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 08:48:00 frx: wrap the output in a toplevel progn 08:48:10 ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has joined #lisp 08:48:22 just like that? thanks 08:49:19 a simple need is often served by a simple solution. 08:49:28 is land of lisp a good book to learn from? 08:51:18 osa1: (jsown:val (jsown:parse "{\"foo\":\"bar\"}") "foo") => "bar" 08:54:44 how to delete a package? 08:54:53 ovechkin: it is, has great artwork too :) 08:55:05 frx: try to come up with a name for that function 08:55:23 lol. I swear I tried it 08:55:36 with autocompletion, must have mistyped 08:55:39 ovechkin: goes from very basics and finishes on functional programming concepts 08:56:06 frx: another way is to find the documentation for other package related thing, and then go up from there to "The Packages Dictionary" 08:56:11 ovechkin: most people would advise Practical Common Lisp, but it dependns on what you already know 08:57:02 -!- toekutr [~user@50-0-51-2.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:57:34 madnificent: i'm really stuck on the whole immutability part 08:58:14 thought it would be a good ideal to learn functional programming via scala. but i'm finding it hard to resist var's 08:58:34 just overall unsure how to think 'functionally' 08:58:46 lisp is multi-paradigm, not only functional so you shouldn't worry about it. make your functions have a single purpose and try not to have many global variables or objects which change state. 08:59:44 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 09:00:06 sounds easy enough 09:00:19 but what about binary search trees 09:00:37 say you have t1, which has 5 nodes 09:01:25 -!- osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01:26 it's pretty straightforward to add a node to this with mutable objects 09:01:33 Morning everybody 09:01:41 osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has joined #lisp 09:01:43 but seems kind of awkward without them 09:01:51 create whole new tree? 09:02:22 meta-coder [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 09:02:55 ovechkin: yeah, that's why we are multi paradigm, it doesn't always make sense to do something functional that clearly isn't. 09:03:17 though you should realize that the question which you pose is essentially "how do i modify something functionally", you can't 09:03:19 oh ok 09:03:31 ovechkin: for adding a single node you shouldn't have to create a whole new tree ... you could re-use most of the old branches, for example. 09:04:11 only from the changed node upwards you'll need new tree nodes, so the effort is more like O(log(n)) than O(n) 09:04:17 flip215: you'd have to create log(n) new nodes 09:04:26 flip215: right, but then you have to assign this new tree to a new val 09:04:27 ovechkin this channel is about Common Lisp. CL doesn't force functional programming where it doesn't fit 09:04:55 frx: i was thinking it was purely functional for some reason 09:05:09 ovechkin: lisp is NOT purely functional 09:05:21 ovechkin: depends on your programming style. with tail-call optimization you could change iterations into recursions, and then you'd have ssa 09:05:31 ovechkin: i wonder what might have given you that impression? 09:05:31 ovechkin far from it. it has more extensive OOP support than probably all languages you used for example 09:05:33 *multi* paradigm 09:05:40 and even within pure functional thinking, if you "change" a tree, you get a new tree while the old one still exists. This is not a fault 09:07:02 Guthur [~yaaic@212.183.128.74] has joined #lisp 09:07:27 ehu [~erik@62.140.137.78] has joined #lisp 09:07:40 udzinari [~user@27.25.broadband12.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 09:07:41 so what book do you guys recommend? i have sicp and land of lisp. or should i start with practical common lisp first? 09:07:53 (symbol-macrolet ((var `(accessor ,genvar))) ....) does not seem to expand nicely. Any thoughts on making something like that work? 09:08:20 ie, within a body, all references to a symbol get swapped with a compile-time created accessor 09:08:55 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-152-107.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 09:09:00 start with practical common lisp or land of lisp if you want to learn common lisp 09:09:06 ovechkin: well, sicp is a nice general programming introduction ... but it uses scheme, so you'll need (or get) some practice to translate that to CL. 09:09:06 two fold question, is it safe to read and write to a socket on separate threads and if so does iolib maintain this safety 09:09:07 SICP isn't about lisp 09:09:40 ovechkin: it's not either/or, it's more about "just read everything you can" ;) 09:09:47 ovechkin: if you've programmed in java or so before, then I suggest practical common lisp, it's a nice read and teaches a *lot*. but as it teaches a lot, it can sometimes take a while to grasp what the chapters have just thought you. 09:09:52 (s/lisp/common lisp/ in my statement) 09:10:21 Phoodus: under the modern understanding of the word lisp, that seems to be correct, no? 09:11:49 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-162-208.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:12:00 depends on which "modern understanding of the word lisp" you choose ;) 09:12:24 -!- gniourf_gniourf [~Gniourf@2a01:e35:2433:3b90:222:41ff:fe23:8d8e] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:13:31 ovechkin: may be "common lisp the language" 09:13:57 -!- meta-coder [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:14:04 -!- spacefrogg^ is now known as spacefrogg 09:15:26 hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 09:16:11 -!- gko [~gko@27.246.52.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:16:55 gko [~gko@27.240.244.246] has joined #lisp 09:16:59 kanru`` [~user@118-163-10-187.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 09:17:38 meta-coder [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 09:18:29 -!- kanru` [~user@118-163-10-187.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:18:43 -!- meta-coder [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 09:19:06 meta-coder [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 09:21:42 trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 09:21:47 -!- meta-coder [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:24:34 c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-ivtcvzdrdxfwqzvm] has joined #lisp 09:26:33 Kryztof [~user@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 09:29:24 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 09:29:47 -!- alunihil [~chatzilla@111-252-217-109.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 09:31:39 nitro_id_ [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 09:31:39 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:32:08 ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has joined #lisp 09:33:51 -!- kanru`` [~user@118-163-10-187.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:35:19 vantage|work [~chatzilla@d5152EDDB.static.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 09:37:26 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 09:42:14 pavelludiq [~pavelludi@83.222.167.145] has joined #lisp 09:43:01 -!- pavelpenev [~pavelludi@83.222.167.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:44:58 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:48:49 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:51:17 kilon [~thekilon@178.59.17.196] has joined #lisp 09:52:11 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-pjtuuccrpcjcmxoz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:52:53 vantage|work_ [~chatzilla@d5152EDDB.static.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 09:54:01 -!- vantage|work [~chatzilla@d5152EDDB.static.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:54:26 -!- vantage|work_ is now known as vantage|work 09:56:14 hakzsam_ [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 09:56:14 -!- hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:56:39 -!- hakzsam_ [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:56:47 hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 09:56:59 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 09:58:05 -!- kilon [~thekilon@178.59.17.196] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:59:41 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 10:00:00 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 10:00:24 I've loaded a system, deleted it's package (because it clashed with some other system), and now I want to load the package again to recreate it's package but it's not happened, as there were no changes. anything I can do besides restarting lisp? 10:01:35 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:01:52 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 10:02:58 frx: loading it again will not clash with the other system any more? 10:03:26 frx: but deleting packages is not how you resolve conflicts, anyway 10:03:30 jdz I have deletect packages from other system. the reason it's not loading again is because it's already loaded 10:03:40 there were no changes (it's a third party system) 10:03:49 I know it's not I was just testing some libraries 10:03:55 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 10:03:58 deleted* 10:03:59 frx: yes, but you deleted the package because there were conflicts, right? 10:04:14 yes. just for testing purposes in the repl 10:04:28 just for testing purposes you might as well restart your lisp 10:04:40 or force the loading of the system 10:04:50 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 10:05:09 -!- ehu [~erik@62.140.137.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:05:37 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:06:18 something like (clrhash (slot-value (asdf:find-system ':your-system) 'asdf::operation-times)) 10:07:12 (asdf:load-system :system :force t) 10:08:57 thanks 10:09:07 kilon [~kvirc@178.59.17.196] has joined #lisp 10:11:18 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-luexhaacrawmpviu] has joined #lisp 10:12:44 oh, hey, :force t works these days 10:13:02 as long as your asdf version in > 2.0145 10:15:23 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128160072.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 10:15:30 Night-hacks [~amir@95.38.52.65] has joined #lisp 10:15:40 -!- Night-hacks [~amir@95.38.52.65] has left #lisp 10:16:04 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.148.193.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:17:01 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.59.154] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:17:22 Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.250.218] has joined #lisp 10:19:58 ahinki_ [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has joined #lisp 10:21:24 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:21:35 -!- ahinki_ is now known as ahinki 10:27:42 -!- udzinari [~user@27.25.broadband12.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:28:59 -!- Guthur [~yaaic@212.183.128.74] has quit [Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org] 10:29:08 add^_ [~add^_^@m212-152-2-188.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 10:30:48 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-luexhaacrawmpviu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:37:23 why can't I use string= as a test function in hash-table? I'm getting "unknown :test" error 10:38:14 -!- frx [~frx@76.73.16.26] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:39:14 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 10:40:55 -!- bsamograd [~user@184.71.240.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:41:09 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has joined #lisp 10:41:19 osa1: the spec only has a few tests. Implementations have their own unique way of using other/custom hash test functions 10:42:06 really, what's passed into :test is a label for how the table should work, it's not a general function that'll be called 10:42:25 because it has to do with how entries are hashed, not just how they're compared 10:47:20 Phoodus: ok, so what should I use if I use strings for keys? 10:47:24 #'equal? 10:47:34 osa1: 'equal 10:48:04 equal will do case-sensitive string comparison, equalp will do case-insensitive 10:52:56 pavelpenev [~pavelludi@83.222.167.145] has joined #lisp 10:53:15 -!- pavelludiq [~pavelludi@83.222.167.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:54:52 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-rlwygkicgatapwtj] has joined #lisp 10:57:02 frx [~frx@76.73.16.26] has joined #lisp 10:57:14 -!- gko [~gko@27.240.244.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:57:54 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 10:57:57 Phoodus: ooh, didn't know about equalp 10:58:36 that fact caused me to unlock the CL package and redefine it ;) 10:58:55 (needed equalp to recurse into structure fields, but do case-sensitive string matching) 11:01:11 Phoodus: doing that is so wrong at so many levels... 11:01:43 I know :) 11:02:09 but I didn't have any means at hand to do that sort of comparison 11:02:28 really? you cannot define a function any more? 11:02:59 not one that traverses the slots of arbitrary structures 11:03:11 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.158.12] has joined #lisp 11:03:37 T0by [~To8y@static-217-133-64-53.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 11:04:00 and those arbitrary structures might have some other arbitrary structures inside, and those may need case-insensitive equalp.... 11:04:34 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.158.12] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:04:54 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:04:55 that's a possibility, but there was no use for case-insensitivity in the entire system I was working with at the time 11:05:26 Phoodus: you did not have any libraries? 11:05:39 and yes, all the structures being compared were ones we created, but overhauling the defstruct mechanism with something custom would have been a lot more work than overriding #'equal for that timeframe 11:06:00 Phoodus: how do you know compiler does not compare structures? 11:06:15 we took a chance and didn't encounter any problems :) 11:06:20 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.158.12] has joined #lisp 11:06:35 ran it through load testing, etc, no issues sprang out of the lack of case-insensitivity system-wide 11:06:57 Phoodus: is that code publicly available? 11:07:04 of course, that was a stop-gap measure, and things have been rewritten since then to not require an #'equalp redefinition 11:07:07 no 11:07:13 daniel_ [~daniel@p5B3263BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:07:15 ok, good 11:07:19 i can now sleep in peace 11:07:22 heh 11:07:36 yeah, anything we release for public consumption will be proper 11:07:51 i can no longer be sure 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13:00:53 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:01:08 whoever wrote closure-common and cxml custom asdf::perform methods which silences *all* compiler warnings, next time please leave those only in experimental code... 13:02:14 *jjkola_work* found out about those only accidentally, makes finding the problem much harder when you don't know that there is a problem... 13:03:37 -!- frx [~frx@76.73.16.26] has left #lisp 13:05:16 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-152-107.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:07:58 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:08:54 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has joined #lisp 13:13:51 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:20:26 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:24:54 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 13:25:24 kaffekopp 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building sbcl with :invert readtable case? 13:51:33 *Xach* also wonders 13:51:37 *Xach* suspects: "no" 13:51:39 it almost works 13:51:53 you need to mess around a bit with the labels in VOPs 13:52:00 oh 13:52:04 I have built it once or twice like that, but never got round to merging the patches 13:52:11 ok 13:52:27 it would perhaps be worth enforcing a readtable mode in the build process, just so that we don't get bothered by bug reports 13:57:29 rme [~rme@50.43.137.115] has joined #lisp 13:59:33 EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@190.244.15.195] has joined #lisp 14:03:39 -!- BountyX [~andrew@76.241.86.82] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:03:42 madrik [~user@122.175.156.89] has joined #lisp 14:05:49 how do I muffle style warnings in an implementation indipendent fashion? 14:07:48 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 14:07:52 (handler-bind ((style-warning #'muffle-warning)) (your-code-goes-here)) 14:08:56 though if you want to get rid of compile-time warnings, the your-code-that-goes-there should be the code doing the compiling, not the code being compiled 14:09:43 -!- kami` is now known as kami 14:11:10 ah 14:11:11 that's why :D 14:11:41 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 14:12:49 no 14:12:53 that's not working either... 14:13:29 maybe is ABCL stuff... 14:14:09 ravster [~user@67.69.17.122] has joined #lisp 14:14:13 Hello all 14:14:44 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.94.221] has joined #lisp 14:17:29 -!- gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:17:50 gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 14:19:55 kaffekop` [~user@ip-85-197-171-11.c4stads.bikab.com] has joined #lisp 14:19:56 -!- kaffekopp [~user@ip-85-197-171-11.c4stads.bikab.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:28:17 -!- am0c [~am0c@180.224.41.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:32:19 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA2356E.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping 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realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.203.106] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 15:06:41 as opposed to (sort (car *list*) #'>) 15:06:59 both would modify *list*'s first item if I'm correct 15:07:14 if I remember well, sort is non-consing 15:07:18 really, I thought nth makes a copy 15:07:22 francogrex: it would not affect the values or structure of *list* 15:07:40 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@199.91.214.37] has quit [Quit: Kron awayyy!] 15:07:45 Xach: the nth you mean, but car will I guess 15:07:55 francogrex: You guess wrong. 15:08:22 there's nothing in the spec that says nth copies 15:08:31 enlighten me: (sort (car *list*) #'>) will not affect *list* 15:08:52 francogrex: It will not affect *list*. It will affect the value of (car *list*). 15:08:59 The structure, that is. 15:09:07 The value of (car *list*) will be eq to what it was before. 15:10:31 http://paste.lisp.org/+2Q3N 15:11:20 and nth should yield the same result as car 15:11:31 _nix00 [~Adium@58.33.105.106] has joined #lisp 15:11:39 Let me be more precise: the cdr chain of *list* is unaffected and every value in each car in each cons of *list* is eq to what it was before any sort operation on any element of *list*. 15:13:01 Let me be more imprecise: The tree of cons cells & values behind *list* is modified, as sort is destructive and obviously shares structure with (car *list*) 15:17:38 so i'd better use copy-list ... then 15:17:44 yes 15:17:53 there's also copy-tree if you prefere 15:17:55 shurane [~mortimer@65-86-91-130.client.dsl.net] has joined #lisp 15:17:57 well wait 15:18:16 let's assume you had another list *list-bis*, equal to *list* 15:18:34 francogrex: what are you really trying to do? 15:18:35 Blkt: equal or eql? 15:18:40 equal 15:18:58 -!- vairav [~vairav@c-98-207-170-37.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:19:16 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@m212-152-2-188.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 253 seconds] 15:19:16 Blkt: not enough information. 15:19:45 if you (let ((foo (copy-list *list*))) (sort (car foo) #'<)), then *list* and *list-bis* would no more be equal 15:21:16 -!- pavelpenev [~pavelludi@83.222.167.145] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:21:25 am I right pkhuong? 15:21:56 Blkt: not enough information (: 15:21:57 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:22:02 :| 15:22:08 wait a sec 15:23:18 pavelpenev [~pavelludi@83.222.167.145] has joined #lisp 15:23:29 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 15:24:55 http://paste.lisp.org/+2Q3N 15:25:01 check it's annotation 15:25:37 that's what I ment 15:28:14 Xach: sorting out lists of dates and printing them to a file : actually (maphash #'(lambda (k v) ... (format ... (sort (nth 0 v) #'<)) 15:28:29 but not damage the original values of the table 15:31:21 That sounds pretty terrible. 15:31:42 well :) 15:35:24 -!- froggey [~froggey@unaffiliated/froggey] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:35:35 froggey [~froggey@unaffiliated/froggey] has joined #lisp 15:39:32 -!- T0by is now known as Toby 15:39:37 -!- Toby is now known as T0by 15:40:03 -!- rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-202-134.uio.no] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 15:41:35 Jovlang [~user@36.109-247-16.customer.lyse.net] has joined #lisp 15:41:41 -!- Jovlang [~user@36.109-247-16.customer.lyse.net] has left #lisp 15:43:11 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0/20120111092507]] 15:43:53 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.158.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:47:23 Blkt: (equal *list* *list-bis*) NIL why? 15:47:40 you sorted only a copy! 15:48:37 -!- madrik [~user@122.175.156.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:49:15 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@117.192.44.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:49:41 copy-list is a shallow copy. By sorting (car *list*), that affects the still-shared deep structure 15:50:06 hence the copy-tree suggestion 15:50:30 -!- Shaftoe_ [~Moe111@modemcable037.54-22-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: Shaftoe_] 15:50:51 dtw [dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 15:53:17 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54:17 lnostdal_ [~lnostdal@149.62.178.226] has joined #lisp 15:54:26 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 15:55:04 ok 15:55:04 -!- osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:55:26 consider this: a, b, c, and d are bound 15:55:39 (list a b c d) and (list a b c d) are 2 separate lists, with the same deep structure 15:55:55 those 2 lists are effectively what you have after copy-list 15:56:44 and destructively changing the contents of the car of 1 list will change the car of the other 15:57:21 (destructively changing the contents of a composite structure) 16:04:08 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-402059.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 16:04:38 -!- francogrex [c14be4fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.75.228.252] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:06:04 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-402059.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06:19 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-402059.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 16:09:52 SurlyFrog [~Adium@c-24-118-228-15.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:12 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:17:48 -!- ASau [~user@95-24-150-243.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:18:05 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:18:11 ASau [~user@93-80-123-238.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 16:19:08 HG` [~HG@dsbg-4db57cb7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 16:21:04 -!- gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:26:48 nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p57AD7C9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:26:53 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-011.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 16:26:53 -!- bsamograd [~user@184.71.240.90] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:26:55 Joreji__ [~thomas@u-0-011.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 16:26:56 Joreji_ [~thomas@u-0-011.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 16:29:04 Night-hacks [~amir@95.38.52.65] has joined #lisp 16:31:41 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-254.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 16:32:19 -!- Night-hacks [~amir@95.38.52.65] has left #lisp 16:33:29 pavelludiq [~pavelludi@83.222.167.145] has joined #lisp 16:33:32 milanj [~milanj_@109-93-200-141.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 16:34:01 -!- pavelpenev [~pavelludi@83.222.167.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:34:51 -!- McRibbit [~user@zaza3.ida.liu.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:35:18 bhaskara [~user@gw.willowgarage.com] has joined #lisp 16:36:07 silver [~kingrat@178.121.134.139] has joined #lisp 16:36:43 -!- anaumov [~anaumov@opensuse/member/Alexander-Naumov] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:36:47 -!- redline6561 is now known as redline6561_brb 16:38:17 -!- X-Scale [email@2001:5c0:1000:b::9eff] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:39:58 -!- _nix00 [~Adium@58.33.105.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:40:06 -!- edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:42:05 Yuuhi [benni@p5483B18C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:43:01 -!- HG` [~HG@dsbg-4db57cb7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:43:15 HG` [~HG@dsbg-4db57cb7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 16:43:48 X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #lisp 16:44:07 -!- X-Scale is now known as Guest1078 16:44:44 -!- Kryztof [~user@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:45:44 -!- ravster [~user@67.69.17.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:48:14 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.212.76] has quit [Quit: Offline] 16:49:44 We should run a FORMAT programming contest. 16:50:04 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:50:17 Isn't http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-common-lisp-114.html enough? 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17:12:47 SurlyFrog: you are destructively modifying literal data 17:12:55 -!- trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:13:02 mon_key [~user@unaffiliated/monkey/x-267253] has joined #lisp 17:13:05 SurlyFrog: mapcan is like using NCONC on the results, and you are doing that to some of the internal literal values in your list. 17:13:11 Hello Dragons! 17:13:55 anonus is curious why comparison functions are not generic but he's too shy to ask it personally :) 17:14:02 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 17:14:02 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Client Quit] 17:14:09 Butisn't the results list being generated by mapcan something newly generated in mapcan? 17:14:15 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 17:14:21 SurlyFrog: Not necessarily. MKLIST only conditionally creates a new list. 17:14:34 if the thing passed is already a list, it is returned 17:15:04 Is this something that if I used (list ) instead of creating a list literal, the problem wouldn't happen? 17:15:17 Yes and no. 17:15:22 SurlyFrog: sort of. 17:15:27 SurlyFrog: you would still modify the list created by LIST. 17:15:42 Use copy-list somewhere. 17:15:43 SurlyFrog: MAPCAN is specified to act destructively. 17:16:08 yeah,.I think I see what's going on.... 17:17:06 bsamograd [~user@184.71.240.90] has joined #lisp 17:17:16 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.178.146] has joined #lisp 17:17:18 nowif I could get emacs/slime out of whatever hellish loop it is in, I could try it :-) 17:17:37 -!- Blkt [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:18:16 add^_ [~add^_^@m212-152-2-188.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 17:18:31 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 17:18:47 SurlyFrog: happens when you destructively modify structure: you might have created a circular structure. C-c C-c or C-g C-g should break it. 17:18:52 tensorpudding [~michael@99.148.193.184] has joined #lisp 17:18:55 Then (setf *print-circle* t) in your rc file. 17:19:16 pjb: thanks 17:20:07 pjb: by rc file, do you mean ~/.emacs ? Or something specific to slime? 17:20:24 ~/.clisprc ~/.sbclrc etc. 17:21:01 okay.thanks :-) 17:21:16 Personnally, all those files contain (load "~/rc/common.lisp") and I put everything the same for all implementations in ~/rc/common.lisp 17:21:44 not sure how Allegro CL does it, I'll need to check the docs. 17:22:41 SurlyFrog: allegro looks for a file named .clinit.cl in your home directory. 17:23:05 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:23:08 Xach: thanks 17:23:13 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:23:22 SurlyFrog: havev a look at http://git.informatimago.com/viewgit/index.php?a=summary&p=public/rc 17:23:53 There goes that Franz naming things .cl instead of .lisp that confused me last week ;-) 17:24:09 pjb: thanks for the pointer 17:24:11 -!- rmathews [~roshan@59.92.59.238] has quit [Quit: Bye..] 17:25:56 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.65.208.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:27:39 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:27:52 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-177-193-169.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 17:27:58 PaulIIIIIIII [PaulIIIIII@82.131.16.196.cable.starman.ee] has joined #lisp 17:28:06 you 17:28:38 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-254.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:29:26 -!- SurlyFrog [~Adium@c-24-118-228-15.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:31:48 h w aee toy 17:32:18 PaulIIIIIIII: go away 17:32:22 -!- pdo [~pdo@31.221.13.71] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:47 im wondering 17:33:04 Do that in the privacy of your head at your home. 17:33:25 ok 17:34:16 robde [~robde@p57903E93.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:34:20 Shaftoe [~Moe111@modemcable037.54-22-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 17:34:43 antgreen [~user@bas3-toronto06-1177890396.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 17:34:49 anyone out there implement a CL OAuth2 client? 17:35:37 it's simple enough... I'm wondering if I should package it and make it a library or something 17:35:40 tritchey [~tritchey@12.236.109.2] has joined #lisp 17:36:03 carbocalm [~user@38.99.165.166] has joined #lisp 17:36:07 -!- redline6561_brb is now known as redline6561 17:36:17 Shaftoe: https://github.com/sellout/cl-oauth  dunno if it covers oauth2 or not. I forked it to fix some things in the upstream version  which I should probably push back. 17:36:19 There's a CL OAuth 17:37:10 -!- Johannes` [~jal@andromeda.kiwilight.com] has left #lisp 17:37:11 sellout: thanks. I will check it out. There is substantial difference between the two major version of OAuth as I understand it. 17:37:29 ivan-kan` [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has joined #lisp 17:37:39 although the server code is interesting 17:37:39 sellout: yes! 17:37:43 sellout: push! 17:39:00 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:39:25 -!- vantage|work [~chatzilla@d5152EDDB.static.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:39:57 SurlyFrog [~Adium@c-24-118-228-15.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:40:11 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 17:41:06 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-254.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 17:43:07 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@m212-152-2-188.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 17:43:40 pavelpenev [~pavelludi@83.222.167.145] has joined #lisp 17:44:00 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.178.146] has quit [Quit: Offline] 17:44:04 -!- pavelludiq [~pavelludi@83.222.167.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:45:17 Someone has forked my fork and made changes  is there an easy way for me to pull those to mine without the person doing a pull request? 17:45:58 you can track his branch and merge or cherry pick. 17:47:20 sellout: git remote add foo ; git fetch foo; git log foo ; git cherry-pick 17:47:21 -!- centipedefarmer [~centipede@75-170-150-51.desm.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:47:22 sellout: you can do it through the github interface, if that's where you're dealing with stuff 17:47:25 I think, at least. 17:47:44 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-210.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:47:48 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:48:23 If you go to your project on github, then Network > Fork Queue, you can select commits and apply them (haven't tried this myself).. but yeah, I prefer doing it through fe[nl]ix's commands :) 17:48:55 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-210.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:49:00 dl [~download@chpcwl01.hpc.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 17:49:54 Cool, thanks guys. 17:50:23 dnolen [aa95640a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.170.149.100.10] has joined #lisp 17:50:52 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 17:51:55 centipedefarmer [~centipede@75-170-150-51.desm.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:52:56 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:53:09 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@12.236.109.2] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 17:53:24 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 17:54:34 -!- robde [~robde@p57903E93.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Bye.] 17:55:25 -!- centipedefarmer [~centipede@75-170-150-51.desm.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:56:13 -!- ivan-kan` [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:56:33 -!- hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:57:56 -!- Guest1078 [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:58:49 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 17:59:01 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.178.146] has joined #lisp 17:59:08 Kron__ [~Kron@129-97-120-254.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 17:59:37 Guest1078 [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #lisp 18:01:38 centipedefarmer [~centipede@75-170-150-51.desm.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:03:12 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-254.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:04:12 -!- dnolen [aa95640a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.170.149.100.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:04:15 -!- Kron__ [~Kron@129-97-120-254.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:04:16 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-254.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 18:05:34 -!- c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-ivtcvzdrdxfwqzvm] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:06:15 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-210.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:07:25 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-210.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:08:48 -!- jjkola_work [c064748e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.116.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:10:47 Vivitron` [~user@pool-173-48-170-228.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:12:18 Guthur [~user@212.183.128.152] has joined #lisp 18:13:50 is there portable version of sb-introspect:function-lambda-list ? 18:13:50 dabd [~dabd@bl9-175-106.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 18:14:07 anonus: swank has something like that 18:14:36 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:15:01 hm, swank is a developer tool, i don't wanna use it in my lib 18:15:43 but you can look at it to see how SWANK does it. 18:16:24 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 18:17:07 Lisp is a developer tool 18:18:14 ok, i look at it. thanks 18:18:40 ngz [~user@23.78.199.77.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 18:19:02 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-254.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Quit: Kron awayyy!] 18:20:14 add^_ [~add^_^@m212-152-2-188.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 18:20:57 anonus: you don't need to run SLIME in order to use swank. Swank is a lisp-side library, and you don't even need to run a server to use its API (I think) 18:23:17 i think it is not a good idea add a big developer lib as dependency for small utility lib that can be used in some end-user applications 18:24:36 anonus: Why? 18:25:11 -!- niko [~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko] has quit [Ping timeout: 624 seconds] 18:25:52 -!- jakr [~nofreewil@unaffiliated/jakr] has left #lisp 18:26:01 it's a bit impolite towards users 18:26:09 anonus: Why? 18:26:21 tritchey [~tritchey@12.236.109.2] has joined #lisp 18:26:24 jmckitrick [~user@108-77-157-187.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:27:25 niko [~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko] has joined #lisp 18:27:31 anonus: While I'm tempted to agree, we're already talking about an environment that carries around its compiler. 18:27:35 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:27:42 jdz [~jdz@host45-16-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:27:46 because it makes them install such barely unused but fat lib 18:28:08 anonus: Is that a problem in practice? 18:28:53 ChibaPet: compiler implements only one functionality - "eval" 18:29:32 Xach: don't know how it in CL, but generally hell yes 18:29:52 anonus: I suggest you not worry about it in CL unless it introduces a real problem for your users. 18:29:57 Or yourself. 18:29:59 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@12.236.109.2] has quit [Client Quit] 18:30:12 There are many theoretical problems that are really only worth fighting if they materialize. 18:31:10 ddp [~ddp@216.243.111.165] has joined #lisp 18:31:11 and there is the possibility of ripping the needed functionality out if the unused code poses a problem 18:31:58 Xach: i think it is better not to make some decisions that can (theoretically) lead to some problems if it not worth it 18:32:16 Me too. One decision to avoid is "don't use useful libraries that do what you need". 18:33:00 better decision will be copy-paste the swank's implementation i think 18:33:15 or just write it by myself 18:33:41 Maybe. It would also be interesting to have some library that provides some of the useful functionality of swank without the slime-specific parts. 18:33:49 because that function not so difficult to implement 18:33:56 Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:34:03 yep 18:34:26 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:34:32 let's start :3 18:35:23 anonus: what does your primary library do? 18:35:26 asvil [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has joined #lisp 18:35:57 (i'm a little surprised that swank don't do that in the beginning) 18:36:06 Xach: swank-client implements the client side of Slime in Common Lisp. 18:36:19 ... you're interested in the backend, I suppose. 18:36:19 reb```: neat. 18:36:44 reb```: no, not the backend, even, but the supporting ported parts like arglist retrieval 18:36:49 Xach: it's implementation of one RPGT game mechanics in CL 18:36:56 I'm not sure if it has been added to Quicklisp. 18:37:39 reb```: nope. i did not know about it. 18:37:53 anonus: What is RPGT game mechanics? 18:38:04 and i need a slots that can call a bunch of user-defined functions added by some different rules 18:38:05 *Xach* adds it 18:38:16 table RPG 18:38:21 Thanks ... version in github.com/brown is best. 18:38:38 reb```: google shows the clojure one first. is that related to yours in any way? (it doesn't look like it) 18:39:11 Same idea perhaps. 18:40:15 -!- saint_cypher [~rjspotter@c-76-126-70-224.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:40:24 _nix00 [~Adium@58.33.105.106] has joined #lisp 18:40:32 anonus: *tabletop RPG 18:40:40 yep 18:44:46 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Quit: bye] 18:45:11 vairav [~vairav@209.49.23.82] has joined #lisp 18:46:50 dlowe: thanks for following the MULCH project on Github 18:46:55 It's my first major project... 18:47:07 If you want, you can join the team 18:47:44 Your screen is a lot wider than mine. 18:47:51 Cosman246: no thanks, I already have a mud 18:48:00 -!- jmckitrick [~user@108-77-157-187.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:48:56 OK 18:50:49 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.178.146] has quit [Quit: Offline] 18:51:09 -!- dtw [dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: +++ATH0] 18:51:22 pavelludiq [~pavelludi@83.222.167.145] has joined #lisp 18:51:44 -!- pavelpenev [~pavelludi@83.222.167.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:55:35 hydo [~hydo@69.170.161.42] has joined #lisp 18:55:36 dnolen [aa95640a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.170.149.100.10] has joined #lisp 18:58:04 tsuru` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-28-117.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 18:58:37 pspace [~andrew@csu-137-148-235-52.csuohio.edu] has joined #lisp 18:59:33 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:59:43 wildnux [~wildnux@68-191-210-76.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:00:48 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@m212-152-2-188.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 19:01:05 dlowe: how is that MUD going? 19:02:05 -!- centipedefarmer [~centipede@75-170-150-51.desm.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:02:34 Guthur: poorly :) MUDs are a niche from another age, and people get their hack and slash jollies elsewhere 19:02:56 daveo [~daveo@97.73.171.234] has joined #lisp 19:02:58 But people are still playing, so I keep it up and running 19:03:28 trying to run through land of lisp and having clisp fail on this bit of code: http://paste.lisp.org/display/127147 19:03:29 is the number of players pretty flat then? 19:03:48 daveo: You're missing finish-output calls. 19:04:03 Guthur: yeah, the biggest change over the past five years is the number of new players. People aren't even looking anymore 19:04:46 -!- dabd [~dabd@bl9-175-106.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:04:57 mlkith [~redmundia@mail.madito.es] has joined #lisp 19:05:33 pjb: well running through all the exercises, so far they all work, this one doesn't, doesn't/hasn't said anything about finish-output calls 19:06:16 daveo: if the book is bad, don't complain to me. 19:06:36 pjb: okely dokely, sorry to bother you then 19:07:24 http://paste.lisp.org/display/127147#1 19:10:14 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-254.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 19:10:36 Xach: hi; 19:10:40 ratxue [~chatzilla@host-89-241-166-147.as13285.net] has joined #lisp 19:11:31 -!- _nix00 [~Adium@58.33.105.106] has left #lisp 19:11:52 pjb: must be something else i have done wrong, as that fails when running clisp w/ slime under windoze7 (at lease as i have it set up) 19:12:02 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:13:59 pjb: but, running it straight clsip REPL works, so i'll investigate further 19:15:37 works fine in SLIME running clisp under windows here 19:16:02 worked even without finish-output even though it didn't have to 19:16:28 -!- brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:16:51 -!- hba [~hba@189.130.178.126] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:17:16 hi asvil 19:17:23 mlkith: thanks for the confirmation, must be something screwy i'm doing 19:17:31 -!- hydo [~hydo@69.170.161.42] has quit [Quit: hydo] 19:17:39 brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has joined #lisp 19:18:42 -!- pspace [~andrew@csu-137-148-235-52.csuohio.edu] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:18:59 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 19:19:00 vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.145.252] has joined #lisp 19:19:39 hba [~hba@187.171.205.0] has joined #lisp 19:20:25 -!- mlkith [~redmundia@mail.madito.es] has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:20:56 mlkith [~redmundia@mail.madito.es] has joined #lisp 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Connection reset by peer] 22:52:53 is there a function that will transform '(1 2 3 4) => '(1 (2 3 4)) 22:53:30 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-141-71.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:54:01 dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:54:14 -!- dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:54:38 dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:54:47 -!- dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:55:04 dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:55:23 -!- dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:55:30 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-1-147.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:55:39 dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:55:45 -!- dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:56:58 dl` [~download@chpcwl01.hpc.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 22:57:22 -!- vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.145.252] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 22:58:53 Guthur, You mean besides the obvious one-liner you could write yourself? 22:59:26 -!- dl [~download@chpcwl01.hpc.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:59:34 Bike [~Glossina@71-214-104-253.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:59:55 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:00:40 DataLinkDroid: yep, just incase there was something 23:02:08 Guthur, you probably know as much as I do, but I don't recall seeing anything in standard CL 23:03:11 besides, do you want it to copy or share structure? 23:03:20 dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:03:35 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.92.52] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:03:53 destructive would have been fine 23:04:01 (list (car the-list) (cdr the-list)) for example, will share structure, but you may want to copy first. 23:05:32 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 23:05:44 -!- lnostdal [~Lars@212.79-161-132.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:06:08 -!- dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06:35 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:07:00 -!- dl` [~download@chpcwl01.hpc.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:08:40 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.187.164] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:10:05 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 23:11:37 dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:11:49 -!- dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:12:46 dan64 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