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[~user@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has left #lisp 02:01:08 -!- meta-coder [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:03:33 SurlyFrog [~Adium@c-24-118-228-15.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:04:55 stickycake [~stickycak@cpe-74-64-122-182.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:05:55 Does anyone know off hand if Hunchentoot allows you to define variables in your URL routing (a'la @app.route("/user/") in Flask)? For those not familiar with Flask, the above URL routing would attache the value after /user/ to the keyword parameter username when it calls whatever function is bound to that URL. 02:06:54 So you could an HTTP GET to "/user/surlyfrog" rather than "/user?username=surlyfrog" 02:06:59 if you follow me... 02:08:01 SurlyFrog: you can do pretty much anything. 02:08:11 SurlyFrog: you might have to write the code for it. 02:08:14 :-) 02:08:31 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Quit: Adamant] 02:09:18 Xach: I mean, is the situation I'm describing above something provided out-of-the-box by hunch? 02:09:44 I don't think so. 02:09:54 http://weitz.de/hunchentoot/ would say 02:10:33 Xach: thanks for the response. I've been running through the docs and haven't found it. That's why I asked, in case I was missing something obvious (which seems to be happening to me a lot these days) 02:12:02 Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:12:21 If there isn't a "canned" way to do it, it's not a real deal-breaker for me. I can live with query strings appended to all of the URLs, they are just sort of ugly. 02:12:42 CrazyThinker [~CrazyThin@unaffiliated/crazythinker] has joined #lisp 02:14:13 linmin__ [~linmin@180.168.30.174] has joined #lisp 02:14:29 SurlyFrog: Take a look at cl-routes. 02:14:46 pinterface: thanks! 02:17:20 -!- linmin_ [~linmin@180.168.30.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:18:03 nialo_c [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 02:18:25 SurlyFrog: writing support for it is pretty straightforward also. 02:18:59 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:19:15 Xach: do you know if anyone has done it before? Maybe written about their experience or left a library for use? 02:19:38 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:19:54 -!- nialo` [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:20:11 SurlyFrog: I don't know. 02:20:22 cl-routes sounds likely 02:20:50 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Quit: rpg] 02:21:00 ThePawnBreak [~quassel@94.177.108.25] has joined #lisp 02:21:25 yeah, the page lists hunchentoot (http://code.google.com/p/cl-routes/). 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Steel Bank?! Where do these names come from? 04:55:43 eheheh 04:55:56 well, steel bank is easy enough 04:57:58 Still a funny reaction 04:58:16 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-74-96-10-77.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:59:02 -!- kooboold [~user@c-66-31-28-91.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:59:20 -!- brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:01:12 -!- testbot2 [~PircBot@173-25-169-137.client.mchsi.com] has quit [] 05:03:24 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-vtspwdjmuxtcducj] has joined #lisp 05:03:39 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-vtspwdjmuxtcducj] has left #lisp 05:05:21 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-btjiftygixenreod] has joined #lisp 05:05:55 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 05:06:11 chenbing [~user@115.205.7.204] has joined #lisp 05:16:01 has anything changed in hunchentoot from 1.1(.1)->1.2.2 in regards to how the dispatchers work? I just attempted to upgrade but none of my (mostly prefix dispatchers) are working now 05:17:04 did you change acceptor to easy-acceptor? 05:18:11 optikalmouse [~user@bas1-toronto07-1176123954.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 05:20:29 -!- am0c^ [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:20:38 ah, no I didn't 05:21:23 ,o/ 05:21:25 brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has joined #lisp 05:21:38 -!- redline6561_ is now known as redline6561_nop 05:23:11 DataLinkDroid [~David@1.145.66.249] has joined #lisp 05:23:52 http://cliki.pulsar-zone.net I created an A entry on my NS server for now, at least it's easier to remember than an IP address 05:24:05 phadthai: good idea, thanks. 05:27:15 -!- JuniorRoy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:30:51 yup, that was definitely it. thanks! 05:31:04 -!- chenbing [~user@115.205.7.204] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:31:14 chenbing [~user@115.205.7.204] has joined #lisp 05:33:25 cliki2.net would be better 05:34:16 -!- chp [~user@c-68-45-180-238.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:34:37 http://cliki2.lisper.ru/ 05:35:12 that's more memorable than pulsar-zone 05:36:04 -!- stassats` changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . 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[~chatzilla@adsl-76-254-43-174.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:58:54 Is there anything similar to CLISP's (socket:socket-status) in USOCKET? 05:59:28 kpal [~kpal@217.12.71.160] has joined #lisp 06:01:05 I'm looking over someone's CLISP-specific code, and so.. 06:01:28 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.20.134] has quit [Quit: Kron awayyy!] 06:02:27 -!- CrazyThinker [~CrazyThin@unaffiliated/crazythinker] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:02:40 -!- dys`` is now known as dys 06:02:49 Anyone? 06:03:20 asking every minute wouldn't help you get the answer 06:03:28 I guess 06:04:59 sharps [~hazel@121-72-240-85.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #lisp 06:05:00 usocket:state tells you if there's data ready to be read. 06:05:13 closed sockets will signal a condition when you try use them 06:05:30 Thanks! 06:06:36 hmm interestingly cliki2.lisper.ru points to another address but it seems to point to the same site... so we chose it as semi-official ns entry until another one is available? 06:07:03 i think it's the official one 06:07:14 cliki2 is written by the russian lisp mafia 06:07:31 oh so it did have a name already, which we just didn't know yet? 06:08:05 cliki2 is its name, i believe. 06:08:37 oh they're not the same site actually, now that I checked again 06:08:38 i think i've seen that url before 06:08:48 74.207.228.11 and 85.25.165.178 06:09:30 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.181] has joined #lisp 06:09:31 http://carcaddar.blogspot.com/2011/12/announcing-cliki2-public-beta-2.html 06:09:46 maybe one of them is a beta-1? 06:10:04 so the beta one is the one I pointed cliki.pulsar-zone.net to 06:10:13 possibly 06:10:18 or beta-2, rather 06:10:32 and both might be mirroring the now-down cliki 06:10:49 content-wise 06:11:16 http://74.207.228.11 seems to be newer 06:11:57 -!- DataLinkDroid [~David@1.145.66.249] has quit [Quit: Bye] 06:12:38 hopefully the data doesn't diverge between multiple clikis eventually heh 06:12:52 maybe that already started 06:13:11 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we could also manage that for standard extensions to CL.... 06:16:55 asvil` [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has joined #lisp 06:17:15 Cosman246: like CDR? 06:17:34 so quick with the bureaucracy and processes. 06:17:57 Yeah 06:18:23 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 06:18:23 Jasko [~tjasko@12.236.109.2] has joined #lisp 06:19:16 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@ma52c36d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:20:55 hmm it seems that the intention is to eventually point cliki.net to the new beta one 06:20:59 so that'd be good 06:21:16 as stassats` said we just have to wait a bit probably 06:21:51 i don't actually plan on waiting, because i don't really use cliki 06:22:07 I occasionally use it as reference 06:23:42 hmm I'm not sure where else I could find such existing software lists, other than for quicklisp supported software, or serching for lisp projects on every public code site 06:23:56 s/serching/searching/ 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common-lisp.net is a hosting for common lisp projects 06:39:27 I'm looking through an irc server's code, and it's used but never defined 06:39:34 Does anyone know what new-user-i is? 06:39:49 (sorry if I asked too many times, but..) 06:40:00 Cosman246: looks like a symbol 06:40:01 I think we misinterpreted when you first asked it :) 06:40:17 bbl, already 01:40 here 06:40:18 _mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 06:40:22 ah 06:42:00 ozzloy_ [~ozzloy@ozzloy.lifeafterking.org] has joined #lisp 06:42:00 Well shit then 06:42:04 It's not defined 06:43:37 -!- stickycake [~stickycak@cpe-74-64-122-182.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: stickycake] 06:43:53 Axioplas1_ [~Axioplase@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has joined #lisp 06:43:56 __krappie [~brain@mx.skitzo.org] has joined #lisp 06:44:29 asking out of context questions isn't defined either 06:44:57 Yeah, I suppose so 06:44:58 Sorry 06:45:28 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 06:45:35 -!- SeanTAllen 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extensively before 06:53:47 sorry! 06:54:03 *Cosman246* punishes himself 06:55:19 ... you don't need to beat youself up over it? 06:55:22 http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/m_dolist.htm 06:55:31 the examples might be helpful 06:57:43 the most obscure URL to CLHS 06:58:18 Phoodus [~foo@68.107.217.139] has joined #lisp 06:58:21 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.195.90] has joined #lisp 06:58:36 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-139-212.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 06:58:40 I just googled it 07:03:47 SeanTAllen [u4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nznjhhgdafsbtfcq] has joined #lisp 07:04:46 Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.234.163] has joined #lisp 07:07:49 mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-ciujvwzfooglazxn] has joined #lisp 07:07:58 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:09:46 -!- pnathan [~Adium@98.145.116.190] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:16:56 -!- bri4n_ [~bri4n@188.24.110.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:18:20 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08:04:06 bay_hoogo_bah [6c00b709@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.0.183.9] has joined #lisp 08:04:36 question: I try to start hunchentoot by issuing rlwrap sbcl --load hunch 08:04:47 says package hunchentoot not found 08:05:09 at command line I (ql:quickload "hunchentoot) 08:05:11 works 08:05:17 ahgr with the quote closed 08:05:20 then 08:05:28 (load "hunch") 08:05:33 and it starts right up 08:05:49 why will it not start right up from the command line? 08:07:03 because you need to load hunchentoot first 08:08:15 how do I do that again? 08:08:34 (ql:quickload "hunchentoot") should do 08:08:37 (hunchentoot:start (make-instance 'hunchentoot:easy-acceptor :port 4242)) 08:08:49 when I start the repl and issue this 08:09:08 -!- bri4n_ [~bri4n@188.24.108.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:09:13 but isnt (ql:quickload "hunchentoot") downloading hunch each time? 08:09:18 no 08:09:21 or is that actually how I load it? 08:09:23 ahhh 08:09:24 ok 08:09:28 ahhhhh 08:10:20 ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has joined #lisp 08:10:20 ah ha! 08:10:23 I am a tool 08:10:34 thanks for helping me 08:10:40 -!- bay_hoogo_bah is now known as gavino 08:10:48 I am loving winston and horn 08:11:21 I installed mighty from haskell and waned to get huncentoot going from common lisp. 08:11:22 awesome 08:11:37 does hunchentoot make use of more than 1 cpu? 08:11:42 yes 08:11:50 like would a busy huncentoot app scale to 16 core box? 08:11:58 using bordeaux threads? 08:12:07 or forking or something? 08:12:16 yes, your favorite bordeaux threads 08:12:22 or does huncentoot perhaps use epoll? 08:12:32 this is so cool 08:12:40 you don't care anyway 08:12:43 I do 08:12:45 I dooooo 08:12:54 I am reading all about this. 08:13:00 I do care. 08:14:01 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.112.130] has joined #lisp 08:14:27 osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has joined #lisp 08:14:45 you should've stopped reading years ago and tried to actually do something 08:15:12 I know. 08:15:20 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.112.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:15:22 I move to the beach and got sidetracked. 08:15:31 I am back in study mode however. 08:16:08 peterhil` [~peterhil@gw.maxisat.fi] has joined #lisp 08:18:29 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-38-155-127.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: sleep, something about memes] 08:19:50 madnificent: i'm not going to censor out mailing list archives again. 08:21:42 vantage|work [~chatzilla@d5152EDDB.static.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 08:21:56 zmyrgel [~user@193.64.112.22] has joined #lisp 08:22:25 :) 08:22:55 I already have libmysql and libmysqlclient installed on my opensuse 11.4 system but clsql still given an error says "Cant load foreign libraries libmysqlclient libmysql", can anyone help? 08:23:19 osa1: wrong architecture? 08:23:25 osa1: check cffi:*foreign-library-directories* 08:24:16 H4ns: it's nil 08:24:18 should I setf it? 08:24:47 if you use some non-standard locations 08:25:03 osa1: you might try to set it to a list containing the directory which contains libmysqlclient.so. 08:25:17 osa1: (or libmysqlclient.dylib, for macos) 08:25:18 marsell [~marsell@120.18.159.160] has joined #lisp 08:25:23 did you run ldconfig? 08:25:41 stassats`: no 08:26:12 stassats`: I've just run, it printed nothing 08:26:26 jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has joined #lisp 08:26:32 it shouldn't print anything 08:26:45 -!- ghuntley [~ghuntley@14-200-9-232.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: kthxbye] 08:29:00 -!- spacefrogg^ is now known as spacefrogg 08:29:06 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 08:29:08 osa1: do you actually have a file libmysqlclient.so in /usr/*/ ? 08:29:12 -!- spacefrogg [~spacefrog@141.76.92.5] has quit [Quit: spacefrogg] 08:29:23 I have libmysqlclient.so.16 in /usr/lib 08:29:24 spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 08:29:32 but libmysq.so should be somewhere else 08:29:40 libmysql* 08:30:00 osa1: there should be a symlink to libmysqlclient.so, otherwise cffi won't find it. 08:30:53 libmysqlclient-dev on debian, maybe -devel package somewhere else.. 08:32:00 H4ns: so I'm creating a symlink named libmysqlclient.so linked to libmysqlclient.so.16, right? 08:32:09 http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-prevalence/ 08:32:11 herder [~herder@123.232.43.67] has joined #lisp 08:32:12 osa1: that might work 08:32:36 anyone here test drive cl-weblocks 08:32:37 ? 08:32:44 -!- tehf [~tehf@c-69-255-57-56.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:33:15 -!- gniourf_gniourf [~Gniourf@2a01:e35:2433:3b90:222:41ff:fe23:8d8e] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:34:43 H4ns: I'm getting same error, btw I've realized it says "(searched clsql-sys:*foreign-library-search-paths*)" 08:35:15 wow, /usr/lib is not there 08:35:30 osa1: it doesn't matter 08:35:36 stassats`: why? 08:35:36 ghuntley [~ghuntley@14-200-9-232.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 08:35:57 osa1: ah, ok - i'm using cl-mysql which does not seem to override the search path. i do need to set cffi:*foreign-library-search-paths* on macos, though. 08:36:45 osa1: because it will find it either way 08:37:23 stassats`: it _should_ find it. now why doesn't it? 08:37:25 :) 08:37:41 because it isn't there? 08:38:02 kilon [~user@178.59.17.196] has joined #lisp 08:38:07 clsql, hmm. Doesn't it use some intermediate *.so, linked against mysql client library? 08:38:08 stassats`: I'm not sure, I pushed /usr/lib to clsql-sys:*foreign-library-search-paths* and now I'm getitng different error says "undefined funciton "mysql-get-client-info" 08:38:11 because it isn't in ld.so.conf? because ldconfig wasn't run to update the ld.so.cache? 08:38:39 osa1: did you push "/usr/lib"? then try pushing "/usr/lib/" 08:38:47 stassats`: he said he ran ldconfig 08:38:53 from root? 08:38:54 www.archlinux.org 08:39:05 debian I don't reccomend. 08:39:32 stassats`: I can only ldconfig in root, in opensuse I can't run some apps without being root like ldconfig and shutdown 08:39:50 Blkt [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 08:40:00 did you run it after creating the symlink? 08:40:31 btw, /usr/lib may be less relevant than e.g. /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu 08:40:42 stassats`: ldconfig is not needed when you're loading a shared library using an absolute path, no? 08:40:44 -!- Guest56254 is now known as akovalenko 08:41:23 H4ns: right, but you don't need an absolute path if ld cache is right 08:41:48 stassats`: right. 08:42:02 -!- hasnointentions [~hasnointe@ip72-195-135-173.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:42:06 osa1: try (trace cffi::%load-foreign-library) 08:42:22 osa1: then load again and observe what directories are searched. 08:42:34 but osa1 said that he can load the library now, except that it seems to be the wrong one 08:42:55 ah, damn 08:42:59 stassats`: apologies :/ 08:44:55 H4ns: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/532103/ 08:45:07 sudo might help 08:47:09 osa1: oops, seems that clsql uses uffi 08:47:20 osa1: (trace sb-alien:load-shared-object) as well 08:49:02 akovalenko: with sb-alien:load-shared-object traced: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/532105/ 08:50:05 osa1: symlink into /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu, not plain /usr/lib 08:50:27 (well, if you have /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu, but you probably do) 08:51:00 akovalenko: no I don't have, I have /usr/lib/X11 and /usr/lib/xtables 08:51:07 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@176.222.155.233] has joined #lisp 08:51:07 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@176.222.155.233] has quit [Changing host] 08:51:07 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 08:51:37 osa1: from your trace, it appears that the search path that you've set up is not used. 08:51:43 -!- bieber [~quassel@162-78.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 08:51:51 H4ns: I didn't set any search path 08:52:19 snearch [~snearch@g231235043.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 08:52:41 osa1: ok - well, one approach would be to set one, the other would be to make sure that the global linker configuration includes the paths where the libraries are installed 08:53:04 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-180-55.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:53:59 ldconfig -p | grep libmysql 08:54:41 -!- herder [~herder@123.232.43.67] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 08:55:11 wondertageous [~wondertag@123.232.43.67] has joined #lisp 08:55:29 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 08:55:50 stassats`: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/532110/ 08:56:48 osa1: does something seem strange to you? 08:57:55 -!- hba [~hba@187.171.213.77] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:58:02 Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 08:58:46 stassats`: no 08:59:00 look carefully 08:59:03 stassats`: there is no libmysql.so? 08:59:45 but you don't need it 09:01:54 hagish [~hagish@p5DCBD7EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 09:03:35 osa1: /usr/lib/lib64/libmysqlclient.so.16 is probably what you need (and symlink should be in .../lib64 as well, and please rerun ldconfig after creating the correct symlink) 09:04:31 osa1: or, as I said above, just install -dev package instead of symlinking manually (.so symlink is there) 09:05:10 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 09:06:02 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-btjiftygixenreod] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:06:55 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-180-55.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:07:36 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-180-55.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:08:13 akovalenko: installing -devel package solved the problem, thanks 09:08:48 -!- kpal [~kpal@217.12.71.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:09:34 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@87.247.6.69] has joined #lisp 09:09:34 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:09:37 -!- attila_lendvai1 is now known as attila_lendvai 09:09:37 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.6.69] has quit [Changing host] 09:09:37 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 09:10:02 kpal [~kpal@217.12.71.160] has joined #lisp 09:10:52 Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 09:12:46 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:13:55 trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 09:15:02 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 09:16:32 Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 09:17:22 -!- marsell [~marsell@120.18.159.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:18:17 -!- trigen [~trigen@ec2-46-51-179-218.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:24:33 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@79.Red-88-7-134.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 09:24:40 -!- osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:25:27 bieber [~quassel@162-78.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 09:27:18 feep [~feep@p5B2B3F6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 09:27:20 hi 09:27:32 I have embedded an interpreter for a language in my compiler 09:27:35 that I argue is lisplike 09:27:43 and my friend, a lisper, argues is not. 09:27:50 (I'm a C-like coder by heart) 09:28:01 I need your opinion on this topic. 09:28:23 https://github.com/FeepingCreature/fcc/blob/master/std/macros/switchover.nt Sample code. 09:29:38 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-66-65-55-75.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 09:31:15 splittist [d417faa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.23.250.166] has joined #lisp 09:31:22 morning 09:31:38 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-wzculzqrdiotcjgg] has joined #lisp 09:32:35 feep: it seems to superficially resemble lisp. what exactly are you looking for here? this channel is about common lisp, and your lisp-like language is nowhere near that. 09:33:10 H4ns: I am aware. I am merely enquiring if the lisp-like syntax used suffices to qualify the language as a "lisp-like language". 09:33:16 (ie. existing in the family of lisp-likes) 09:33:22 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 09:33:33 feep: *shrug* 09:33:34 or if things like macros are an essential component of what you'd consider "a lisp". 09:33:48 feep: to me, "a lisp" is common lisp. 09:33:51 hehe 09:33:52 fair~ 09:36:17 Blkt` [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 09:36:22 -!- Blkt [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 09:36:31 -!- Blkt` [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:36:49 Blkt [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 09:37:57 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has joined #lisp 09:38:41 -!- wondertageous [~wondertag@123.232.43.67] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 09:39:01 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-180-55.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:39:19 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-180-55.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:39:52 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@212-106-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:40:37 hey, has anyone used usocket in QL recently? It fails to compile on my system, and it prevents me from using hunchentoot 09:46:19 Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 09:46:42 -!- anonus [~anonymous@88.80.28.189] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 09:47:24 anonus [~anonymous@88.80.28.189] has joined #lisp 09:47:39 -!- zenlunatic [~justin@c-68-48-40-231.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:47:55 xach: small wish for ql - when ql:update-all-dists gets interrupted (eg. by killing sbcl) it says that the new dist is already active, even when only parts are updated 09:50:04 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 09:56:43 -!- linmin__ [~linmin@180.168.30.174] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:58:05 alunihil [~chatzilla@111-252-224-67.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 09:58:59 _pw_ [~user@123.112.66.23] has joined #lisp 10:00:11 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 10:00:36 nowhere_man: what system? did you try with a completely fresh quicklisp fetch? 10:00:43 hey people 10:00:55 anyone understand entity-relationship diagrams? 10:01:06 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 10:01:12 jt123: off topic 10:01:51 H4ns: just a general question 10:01:58 jt123: still off topic 10:02:07 H4ns: so? 10:02:08 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.0.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:03:13 good (late) morning everyone 10:04:08 Blkt: morning 10:04:09 -!- chiguire|m [~chiguire@gentoo/developer/chiguire] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:04:14 H4ns: it was an issue with my readtable case, it's :invert, and usocket has sb-unix:EINTR in its code 10:04:14 :D 10:04:33 correcting it to sb-unix:eintr made it compile just fine 10:04:36 Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 10:04:50 nowhere_man: consider submitting a patch. 10:05:11 szabolcs_szucs [kotee@login04.caesar.elte.hu] has joined #lisp 10:05:13 of course, I'm preparing it right now 10:05:55 -!- szabolcs_szucs [kotee@login04.caesar.elte.hu] has left #lisp 10:06:16 jt123: so you are unlikely to be answered. 10:07:29 Ralith: i understand.. just worth a try :) 10:07:46 ISF_ [~ivan@201.82.138.222] has joined #lisp 10:09:34 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.138.222] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:19:15 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.148.193.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:21:35 OK, now that usocket compiles, it's Babel that fails, I get "unknown type specifier: alexandria.0.dev:positive-fixnum" while compiling babel/src/strings.lisp 10:21:49 does anyone currently use hunchentoot from QL? 10:22:20 -!- X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:23:40 nowhere_man: are you sure that you need to mess with readtable-case 10:23:54 i got hunch going 10:23:56 nowhere_man: in my experience, it is causing a lot of trouble with many open source libraries. 10:24:37 it still fails to compile when I reset it to :upcase before quickloading hunchentoot... 10:25:04 nowhere_man: does it fail when you never mess with readtable-case in the first place, after removing all your cached fasls? 10:25:57 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 10:27:42 H4ns: it does not, thanks a lot! 10:28:15 -!- brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:28:41 -!- replore_ [~replore@ntkngw298122.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:30:26 brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has joined #lisp 10:31:52 leo2007 [~leo@111.194.105.244] has joined #lisp 10:32:08 -!- benny [~benny@i577A28A8.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:32:56 you have to load hunentoot before anything else happens 10:33:12 (ql:quickload "hunchentoot") 10:33:37 its not clear from docs that although that downloads it if you dont yet have it, it alose loads the libray into the repl 10:34:27 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:35:09 -!- gavino [6c00b709@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.0.183.9] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:39:12 Is there some special reason why current ql swank doesn't want :coding-system anymore? 10:40:02 hmmm, swank::*use-dedicated-output-stream* doesn't exist anymore, too 10:46:32 -!- teggi [148b9232@gateway/web/freenode/ip.20.139.146.50] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:46:51 Odin- [~sbkhh@212-106-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is] has joined #lisp 10:49:10 Molly_Az [~chatzilla@174-19-147-172.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 10:53:36 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@79.Red-88-7-134.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 10:54:50 -!- anonus [~anonymous@88.80.28.189] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 10:55:00 Hi all. Any help with closures? 10:55:10 anonus [~anonymous@88.80.28.189] has joined #lisp 10:55:19 I pasted the code to the necessary location. 10:57:01 paste the error message, too (as an annotation to your paste) 10:57:10 Oh, ok. 1 sec. 10:57:15 -!- rmathews [~roshan@122.174.25.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:57:51 mlkith [~redmundia@mail.madito.es] has joined #lisp 10:57:57 Ok. Done. 10:58:07 daniel_ [~daniel@p5082B3D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:58:44 can't see it 10:58:58 Hmm..I'll check. 10:59:10 click on "annotate this paste", then paste the error message and submit it. 10:59:35 -!- daniel__ [~daniel@p50829C74.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:00:26 -!- btbngr [~btbngr@188.28.222.92.threembb.co.uk] has left #lisp 11:00:30 btbngr [~btbngr@188.28.222.92.threembb.co.uk] has joined #lisp 11:00:40 Ok. Got it ;) 11:00:47 sacho [~sacho@92-247-208-87.spectrumnet.bg] has joined #lisp 11:01:26 Molly_Az: *fn* is a _list_ of functions, so you'll need to (funcall (first *fn*)) 11:01:50 *Molly_Az* makes an attempt. 11:02:32 you don't need #' in front of lambda by the way 11:03:32 (funcall (first *fn*)) didn't work. Msg. Eval: Undefined function *fn* 11:03:55 -!- hagish [~hagish@p5DCBD7EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:04:43 Thanks mlkith. 11:05:20 Molly_Az: did you restart your lisp since you've evaluated the defparameter form that you pasted? 11:05:27 are you sure you didn't accidentally type (*fn*) anywhere? 11:05:57 because getting "Undefined function *fn*" as a message is not consistent with typing `(funcall (first *fn*))' 11:06:02 D'oh. Yes. I did. 11:06:28 -!- vantage|work [~chatzilla@d5152EDDB.static.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 9.0.1/20111220165912]] 11:06:53 The count variable is being incremented once only. Would mapcar be appropriate? 11:08:19 Hmm..it seems not since mapcar expects a function, i.e., more than a global var. 11:09:38 From the example in the text, I was under the assumption that each of the anonymous functions would modify the value of count in succession. 11:10:13 H4ns. Sorry. I just saw your question. 11:12:16 pspace [~andrew@adsl-76-241-85-191.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 11:13:18 (mapcar 'funcall *fn*) 11:14:01 Since I removed the #', lisp is saying the lambda is not a function. 11:14:25 removing #' didn't cause that 11:15:55 I replaced the #' and used (mapcar 'funcall *fn) and it worked. 11:16:27 I'll try removing them again... 11:17:32 Success :) Thanks mlkith. 11:18:05 s/*fn/*fn/; rather... 11:18:15 s/*fn/*fn*/; rather... 11:18:22 :-| 11:18:33 -!- jt123 [~jayan@cpc4-lutn3-0-0-cust768.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #lisp 11:18:43 no problem 11:19:37 Can you see another way that would eliminate the list and return the value of count+2 for each call? 11:20:05 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.157.77] has joined #lisp 11:20:13 gensym [~user@dslc-082-082-103-174.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 11:21:55 If I remove the list and use (funcall *fn*), counts increases to 6, but I'm looking for a value of 8. 11:22:27 ehu [~erik@62.140.137.115] has joined #lisp 11:22:33 count+ 3 I meant. 11:23:04 Molly_Az: are you asking where you can increment count by 3 instead of 1? 11:23:20 Yes. 11:23:34 Molly_Az: (incf count 3) 11:23:38 Molly_Az: you mean, s/s\/\*fn\/\*fn\//s\/\*fn\/\*fn\*\// 11:23:42 *Molly_Az* laughs. 11:24:02 feep :) 11:24:33 H4ns: Can it be done in three separate forms? 11:24:55 Molly_Az: i don't understand your question 11:26:02 As it is, only the last form is returned(?) I assumed Peter was saying the value would be incremented in order. 11:26:44 Molly_Az: the last form is returned by what? 11:26:52 H4ns: Sorry. The first lambda changes count to 6, the second to 7, and the third to the final value of 8. 11:27:02 Molly_Az: right. expectedly. 11:27:17 *Molly_Az* nods. 11:27:41 Molly_Az: and your question is? 11:28:24 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:28:41 Rather than returning the values in a list, can only the final value, 8, be returned? 11:28:43 optikalm` [~user@bas1-toronto07-1176323234.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 11:28:54 Molly_Az: by what? 11:29:07 The three lambda expressions? 11:30:11 It is entirely possible my beginning lisp programmer status is presently a minor obstacle 11:30:24 Molly_Az: how does the first lambda expression know that it is not the last to be evaluated? 11:30:44 Molly_Az: right. it is very hard to follow the know in your brain :) 11:30:52 Molly_Az: you'll be fine eventually 11:32:05 Thanks H4ns. Good question re: the knowledge of the first lambda expression. I'm not sure. I'll definitely continue reading PCL. Thanks for the help everybody. 11:32:29 -!- Molly_Az [~chatzilla@174-19-147-172.phnx.qwest.net] has left #lisp 11:32:31 -!- optikalmouse [~user@bas1-toronto07-1176123954.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:32:33 -!- Blkt [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:35:50 Blkt [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 11:37:29 -!- chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-63-146.lns1.dea.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 11:38:55 rmathews [~roshan@122.174.25.155] has joined #lisp 11:40:02 xach: small wish for ql - when ql:update-all-dists gets interrupted (eg. by killing sbcl) it says that the new dist is already active, even when only parts are updated 11:40:20 c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-xexiohgxfzgucfvj] has joined #lisp 11:40:28 hmm, I thought I've seen him in the mean time?? 11:42:33 -!- jacius [~jacius@c-24-13-89-230.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:46:38 -!- btbngr [~btbngr@188.28.222.92.threembb.co.uk] has left #lisp 11:47:15 btbngr [~btbngr@188.28.222.92.threembb.co.uk] has joined #lisp 11:49:15 -!- csdserver [~csdserver@unaffiliated/csddesk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:50:24 -!- leo2007 [~leo@111.194.105.244] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 11:54:09 chiguire|m [~chiguire@gentoo/developer/chiguire] has joined #lisp 11:56:22 -!- optikalm` [~user@bas1-toronto07-1176323234.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:02:17 Guest53253 [~wh@112.91.81.82] has joined #lisp 12:04:15 -!- otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:06:14 csdserver [~csdserver@unaffiliated/csddesk] has joined #lisp 12:06:28 wondertageous [~wondertag@123.233.215.219] has joined #lisp 12:09:36 ec2-user [~ec2-user@ec2-50-19-129-89.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 12:10:55 -!- ISF_ [~ivan@201.82.138.222] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:13:26 ISF [~ivan@201.82.138.222] has joined #lisp 12:13:46 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 12:19:55 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.138.222] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:21:02 -!- Guest53253 [~wh@112.91.81.82] has quit [Quit: ] 12:21:20 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 12:29:13 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-wzculzqrdiotcjgg] has left #lisp 12:29:13 -!- r_takaishi [~r_takaish@pl1003.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:30:26 r_takaishi [~r_takaish@pl062.nas981.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 12:30:36 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 12:30:45 leo2007 [~leo@123.114.41.188] has joined #lisp 12:32:22 ISF [~ivan@201.82.138.222] has joined #lisp 12:32:57 pon1980 [~pon@195-67-88-105.customer.telia.com] has joined #lisp 12:34:53 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@79.Red-88-7-134.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 12:38:31 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.157.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:39:23 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-180-55.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:40:28 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-180-55.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:42:06 -!- feep [~feep@p5B2B3F6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 12:45:18 jt123 [~jayan@cpc4-lutn3-0-0-cust768.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 12:48:42 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.157.77] has joined #lisp 12:49:02 sav [~lsd@peirce.xored.org] has joined #lisp 12:50:05 -!- pnq [~nick@AC81D28B.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:57:43 -!- sharps [~hazel@121-72-240-85.cable.telstraclear.net] has left #lisp 12:58:50 -!- csdserver [~csdserver@unaffiliated/csddesk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59:36 Is cliki known to be down or is it an accident? 13:02:37 ehu: do you know anything about cliki.net? 13:02:56 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:03:01 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.157.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:04:08 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.157.77] has joined #lisp 13:06:06 csdserver [~csdserver@76.177.111.55] has joined #lisp 13:06:20 how can I start stumpwm via quicklisp when starting X? 13:07:17 I tried (progn (ql:quickload 'stumpwm) (stumpwm:stumpwm)) at sbcl repl and it told me it can't find package stumpwm 13:07:20 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:55 zmyrgel: that is because the (progn ..) form is first read, and when it is read, the stumpwm package is not yet available 13:08:30 (progn #.(ql:quickload 'stumpwm) (stumpwm:stumpwm)) 13:08:34 zmyrgel: if you put the (ql:quickload ..) and the (stumpwm:stumpwm) into separate top-level forms and LOAD the file, things whould work. 13:08:54 dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:09:27 eval-when would do it too 13:09:48 mlkith: do what? 13:09:55 sacho_ [~sacho@92-247-246-203.spectrumnet.bg] has joined #lisp 13:10:15 it would make above progn work with appropriate args 13:11:35 H4ns: thanks, I'll try that then 13:11:40 -!- sacho [~sacho@92-247-208-87.spectrumnet.bg] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:11:47 don't like my hacks? :) 13:12:42 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.234.163] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 13:14:44 mlkith: the #. tries to load common-lisp:stumpwm and returns undefined fuctions 13:14:47 *function 13:15:04 zmyrgel: it does not make sense. 13:15:42 right my mistake. whatever #. returns is fed to compiler. you could make it work but it would be uglier. #.(progn (ql:quickload ..) nil) 13:16:11 mlkith: it also would not make more sense 13:16:30 what's next? #+#.(ql:quickload ...) ? There's no need for read-time tomfoolery. 13:16:36 H4ns what part of it doesn't make sense? 13:17:03 mlkith: there is no need to use #. at all. it is neither required nor does it look better or add any value. 13:17:11 mlkith: (in this use case) 13:17:27 well it makes it work, if he wanted to type it in the repl. unlike the code without it 13:17:46 dsabanin [~dsabanin@194.186.248.119] has joined #lisp 13:17:52 mlkith: "if he wanted to type it in the repl" 13:18:47 I'd wanted to get it to work straight from .xinitrc... like sbcl --eval (stumpwm:stumpwm) preferably 13:18:53 flip214: a partial update is just about as good as a full update. 13:19:01 flip214: everything that is needed will be updated automatically 13:19:10 zmyrgel: two --evals might work 13:19:23 zmyrgel: or put the two forms into a .lisp file and use --load 13:20:05 or dump a core with stumpwm loaded in and executed on start up. 13:22:44 yeah two evals work. --eval "(ql:quickload ..)" --eval "(...)" 13:23:41 ok, lets see how it goes 13:23:44 -!- zmyrgel [~user@193.64.112.22] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:24:17 -!- jt123 [~jayan@cpc4-lutn3-0-0-cust768.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: jt123] 13:24:49 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.145.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 13:25:12 dardoria [~boiantz@92-247-214-154.spectrumnet.bg] has joined #lisp 13:26:55 Xach: yes, but I'd prefer to get everything updated at once (when I've got a connection) -- having ql:quickload try to reach out when I'm on the train is fruitless 13:26:58 -!- csdserver [~csdserver@76.177.111.55] has quit [Changing host] 13:26:58 csdserver [~csdserver@unaffiliated/csddesk] has joined #lisp 13:29:20 There is no option to resume, sorry. 13:29:39 hmmm, thanks nevertheless 13:34:18 -!- Carmivore [~carmivmor@ec2-50-17-25-180.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:35:22 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:37:56 Carmivore [~carmivmor@ec2-50-19-173-173.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 13:38:10 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 13:38:25 Kenjin [~josesanto@193.136.207.239] has joined #lisp 13:38:25 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 13:38:27 phadthai: http://cliki2-beta.cliki.net/ is the url that points to the newer cliki2-beta, bobbysmith007: you may be interested in the cliki beta too 13:41:17 Xach: in zpb-ttf, is it a known issue that code points in supplementary planes (i.e. code point > #xffff) do not seem to work; e.g. find-glyph returns the glyph for #x0000? 13:42:01 what library can I use for play sound files? 13:42:08 playing 13:42:49 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 13:42:51 newcup: I don't know about bugs in glyph lookup, no. 13:43:07 newcup: You would expect to get the 0 glyph if the font does not define an outline for that code point. 13:43:42 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-189-39.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:45:13 SurlyFrog [~Adium@c-24-118-228-15.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:45:23 newcup: Do you have a font I can test to see the bug in action? Or can you suggest one I already have? 13:45:52 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@ma52c36d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:45:55 thanks eMBee 13:47:21 jt123 [~jayan@cpc4-lutn3-0-0-cust768.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 13:51:08 dtw [dtw@dsl-roibrasgw1-fe84fb00-215.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 13:51:14 -!- mlkith [~redmundia@mail.madito.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:51:48 Xach: I tried with 'Musica' from http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/, e.g. code point #1d11e should be musical symbol g clef 13:52:22 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-1-147.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:52:24 sorry, #x1d11e 13:52:37 Thanks. 13:53:19 urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-216-74.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 13:53:35 -!- totzeit [~kirkwood@c-24-17-38-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:55:03 teggi [~teggi@113.172.49.16] has joined #lisp 13:55:31 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:56:31 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 13:58:01 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.157.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:59:35 -!- ryepup [~user@216.155.103.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:32 -!- lusory [~bart@bb115-66-195-54.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:00:49 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.157.77] has joined #lisp 14:01:41 lusory [~bart@bb115-66-195-54.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 14:02:18 -!- dardoria [~boiantz@92-247-214-154.spectrumnet.bg] has left #lisp 14:02:31 -!- tsuru`` is now known as tsuru` 14:05:07 why would this one fail here, http://paste.lisp.org/display/126942 14:05:36 kaffekopp [~user@ip-85-197-171-11.c4stads.bikab.com] has joined #lisp 14:07:36 end of line 17 i get a failed to read stream/file or so error 14:08:41 wbooze: make sure you use an editor that can match parens for you 14:09:35 emacs 14:10:04 wbooze: use M-x check-parens 14:11:27 ok sorry, done 14:11:30 Levente [~Levente@dsl51B781B4.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 14:11:57 wouldn't have happened if you'd used paredit :) 14:12:21 paredit is awesome 14:12:23 wbooze: at the very least, put (show-paren-mode t) in your .emacs 14:14:16 shit, climacs shows me the )) to match the (defun and emacs tells me ))) matches (defun..... 14:14:27 something is wrong with climacs then 14:15:18 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:15:20 wbooze: liar. you said you were using emacs 14:15:39 do you use paredit in slime repl too or just .lisp buffers? I was kind of annoyed that M-p won't work until you manually delete ")" 14:15:46 i was using both, but hadn't run emacs to check the parens yet 14:16:38 so why would climacs fail then ? 14:17:10 was working before, must have come with the latest updates or so.... 14:17:49 oh man, Xach 14:18:08 do you do that on purpose or what ? 14:18:39 wbooze: fix your programs for you? 14:18:41 everytime i make new update, something gets more messy 14:18:51 well, it least you get to know your programs are wrong 14:19:43 ok, will purge all of climacs and do update again 14:19:58 don't know if something got wrong.... 14:20:46 -!- _mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:21:16 _mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 14:21:51 *Xach* can't make it to ELS, flight is around $3500 14:22:06 ouch 14:22:09 god 14:22:13 that much? 14:22:16 Xach: wth? via hong kong? 14:22:34 Dunno. 14:22:39 -!- vpit3833 [~user@mail.protocomtechnology.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:22:44 *Xach* comparison shops 14:22:56 ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has joined #lisp 14:23:22 Xach: matrix.itasoftware.com_ 14:23:23 ? 14:23:36 hipmunk was my first try 14:25:29 flying direct from Boston to Croatia is going to cost a fortune. 14:26:00 Ah, I see that my choice of duration had a very negative impact on the price. 14:26:21 Still pretty expensive. 14:26:44 flying to Bologna or Milan and taking a commuter from San Marino might be a lot cheaper. 14:27:38 Mostly idle speculation on my part. I am not likely to go even if it was not monetarily expensive. The wear-and-tear of travel and disrpution of schedule is a hassle. 14:29:10 by the way, 30th april to 1st may was not a happy selection imo 14:29:28 flights are guaranteed to be expensive 14:29:41 eur270 for me, return. not too bad. 14:30:03 one way only, isn't it? 14:30:06 7 to 8 ours drive... 14:30:09 hours even 14:30:10 from Milan is cs. 235 14:30:22 Blkt: no, return ber-zad-ber 14:30:24 ca* 14:30:29 ah 14:31:15 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.157.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:32:34 -!- gensym [~user@dslc-082-082-103-174.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:35:03 newcup: I think I see the issue. 14:35:28 UnwashedMeme [~nathan@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 14:35:53 el-maxo [~max@87.165.116.219] has joined #lisp 14:35:56 hi all 14:36:04 newcup: There are several character maps in the file, and I'm using one that doesn't cover that range. 14:36:05 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.157.77] has joined #lisp 14:36:49 I want define a package that uses :cl and :foo, :foo exports and shadows FIRST, why do I get a name-conflict? 14:37:00 anyone going via train or car to ELS? 14:37:09 does :cl also shadow FIRST? 14:37:14 umm, els2012 website people here? on the right hand side there is "Tweeter Updates"; maybe it's intentional... 14:37:18 el-maxo: the conflict comes within your package. two distinct symbols by the same name cannot be inherited. 14:37:28 el-maxo: shadowing in the used package does not come into play. 14:37:30 I'm in Austria, and would be interested in company 14:37:42 Although I'm not sure whether I'll make it 14:38:16 el-maxo: you can shadowing-import cl:first or foo:first or neither (so you always have to refer to them in a qualified way when in-package your package) 14:38:24 zmv [~zmv@186.204.151.21] has joined #lisp 14:38:51 if I manage to go to ELS, I'll definetly go by plane 14:39:20 even if it's 8 hours driving 14:40:04 Xach: so what exactly would I do then instead of (:use :cl :foo) in defpackage? 14:40:42 -!- kilon [~user@178.59.17.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:40:48 el-maxo: That depends on how you want to refer to the FIRST symbol. Do you want to use CL:FIRST without a package prefix? Or do you want to refer to FOO:FIRST without a package prefix? Or do you want to always have to use a package prefix to refer to CL:FIRST or FOO:FIRST? 14:41:34 Xach: I want to use first to refer to foo:first and cl:first to cl:first 14:41:48 el-maxo: adding a (:shadowing-import-from #:foo #:first) will achieve that. 14:41:57 adding that to defpackage, rather 14:42:23 do I thill need it in :shadow then? 14:42:30 s/thill/still* 14:43:20 el-maxo: Putting it in :shadow means that FIRST refers to a third symbol from your package. 14:43:33 el-maxo: it must be removed from :shadow, you can't have it in both places. 14:44:46 *Xach* must really write his article on the package system soon 14:45:33 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 14:45:45 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 14:46:29 -!- howeyc [~howeyc@2607:f2f8:a958::2] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:46:29 yes please 14:46:43 -!- wondertageous [~wondertag@123.233.215.219] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:46:47 I am still kind of confused about #'foo :foo #:foo and foo 14:46:50 -!- pspace [~andrew@adsl-76-241-85-191.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:47:10 wondertageous [~wondertag@123.233.215.219] has joined #lisp 14:49:25 el-maxo: and you're not confused by 'foo? 14:50:25 no need to take it as an exhaustive list 14:51:41 ryepup [~user@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 14:52:33 Xach: well, that's probably the one i'd start when explaining symbols 14:52:47 'foo is the easiest one I forgot about it 14:53:17 el-maxo: so you are confused about it or not? 14:54:07 el-maxo: if you're not confused about it, then the just "foo" (last one you listed) should also not cause confusion to you 14:55:09 jdz: lets say I am unsure, foo yields value, 'foo yields symbol, :foo yields somekeywordpackage:foo, and # implies a reader macro and can be omitted for : and '? 14:55:33 el-maxo: well, not exactly 14:56:17 el-maxo: in common lisp there is the concept of a self-evaluating object 14:56:46 *Xach* wonders where this is going 14:57:02 into the land of ever increasing confusion 14:57:16 see how i just brought in a new concept to confuse him even more? 14:57:21 subtle, innit? 14:58:12 -!- dsabanin [~dsabanin@194.186.248.119] has quit [Quit: dsabanin] 14:58:13 Oh, J?nis!! 14:58:39 self evaluating like t, nil, or a number? 14:58:54 el-maxo: yes, and strings, and characters, and stuff 14:59:13 el-maxo: so, for symols it is a bit more tricky 14:59:30 el-maxo: they are not self evaluating, but their meaning depends on the context 14:59:45 el-maxo: anyway, the article i aim to write is more about package machinery, like what "accessible", "present", and "inherited" mean, what shadowing and shadowing import and export actually do, and show an example implementation of the concepts. it's not much about symbol syntax or reader macros. 15:00:05 *Xach* has the example implementation done but no prose :( 15:00:18 mlkith [~redmundia@mail.madito.es] has joined #lisp 15:00:21 el-maxo: the rule of thumb is that if a symbol is in the beginning of a list, it is a function or a macro 15:00:27 el-maxo: otherwise a variable reference 15:00:35 kaffekop` [~user@ip-85-197-171-11.c4stads.bikab.com] has joined #lisp 15:00:36 my android game backed up with a common lisp web server just got 100th download 15:00:44 Levente: nice 15:00:56 the nice thing about is that the server code is less than 1000 lines 15:01:27 el-maxo: so, to prevent evaluation as a variable, and use the symbol itself, you use QUOTE special form 15:01:30 -!- kaffekopp [~user@ip-85-197-171-11.c4stads.bikab.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:01:36 including persistent data structures, game logic, scoreboards, XML processing, web server and command line argument processing 15:01:48 Levente: nice. 15:01:54 Levente: :) 15:02:05 el-maxo: note that 'foo is the same as (quote foo) 15:02:06 I prepared a stripped copy of the server source in case anybody is interested: http://dwim.hu/install/mbss.html 15:02:22 Levente: what's the url of your application on the market? 15:02:51 el-maxo: so #'foo is just a shorthand for (function foo) 15:02:58 'foo is foo symbol in current package. :foo is keyword:foo symbol. #'foo is (function foo). did I get these 3 right? what is #:foo though? 15:03:08 jdz, https://market.android.com/details?id=hu.dwim.numbertoss.free 15:03:14 el-maxo: the other two are related to packages 15:03:28 Levente: what's with the defpackage and deftype though? 15:03:28 el-maxo: :foo gives the symbol foo in keyword package 15:03:44 el-maxo: keyword package is special, because all symbols interned there automatically have themselves as values 15:04:00 el-maxo: causing them to became self-evaluating 15:04:01 mlkith: #:foo is syntax for a symbol that, when read, is not interned in a home package. 15:04:11 el-maxo: but you can sure use (quote :foo) 15:04:23 mlkith: it creates a distinct symbol each time it is read 15:04:30 btbngr, that's just syntax that makes my eyes happy 15:04:39 Xach what is it used for? 15:04:39 el-maxo: and yeah, hat mlkith and xach just said about the last one of your list 15:04:42 Levente: fair enough :) 15:04:56 mlkith: identity! 15:05:14 mlkith: it is useful to produce a symbol for its name, which is a string matching the current case convention for symbols. 15:05:40 mlkith: i use it to designate strings in defpackage, in-package, and asdf:defsystem. 15:06:54 I just can't stop thinking how wonderful it is that I can do all that stuff within the same file in less than a 1000 lines... 15:07:53 mlkith: they are also quite often used in macros to generate unique names 15:08:01 Levente: but the supporting libraries are so hard to install 15:08:06 I think it makes sense though, the total code is more lines but abstracted in other modules too 15:08:13 mlkith: unique as in not conflicting with anything 15:08:17 *Xach* never gets tired of that joke 15:08:27 Levente: thanks for sharing, it's always nice to hear about new lisp projects 15:08:30 -!- _nix00 [~Adium@116.228.89.171] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:08:32 jdz I see 15:08:55 inaimathi [~user@174.137.255.113] has joined #lisp 15:09:06 -!- ramusara [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:09:06 -!- inaimathi [~user@174.137.255.113] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:34 I'd like to write a web page in lisp but I wouldn't know where to host it. are there any cheap usable VPN servers? 15:09:44 is it possible to suppress warnings like undefined function, when you define two functions that call each other? 15:09:47 inaimathi [~user@174.137.255.113] has joined #lisp 15:10:13 el-maxo: put them in the same file? 15:10:20 -!- inaimathi [~user@174.137.255.113] has quit [Client Quit] 15:10:22 mlkith: something like a linode would allow you to host it yourself... if its price is cheap is relative I guess, but it's pretty good 15:10:25 Xach, doesn't quicklisp solve that problem? 15:10:28 seems like I'd need to pay 2x more per month than if I wanted to write it in other language, which is a shame 15:10:33 Levente: Did you use Quicklisp? 15:10:51 mlkith: not only does it allow you to use a better language though, also a better database :) 15:10:53 Xach, certainly 15:10:56 kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #lisp 15:10:59 and any other software you might need 15:10:59 Levente: yes, that is why it is a joke... 15:11:25 Xach: the joke is not funny if you have to explain it! 15:11:58 jdz: that doesn't make a difference. (defun foo () (bar)) (defun bar () (foo)) will throw a warning. (the example is stupid of course, but this occurs from time to time) 15:12:21 Xach: check out http://www.weebls-stuff.com/onthemoon/On+The+Moon+ep.17/ for the reference 15:12:54 el-maxo: you are wrong 15:13:02 el-maxo: i don't get any warnings... 15:13:40 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 15:14:13 milanj [~milanj_@93-86-114-40.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 15:14:20 Has anyone heard from tcr lately? Anyone know where he is? 15:14:48 rpg: i seem to remember that he'll be going to dublin this week 15:15:20 phadthai that is true :) 15:17:21 mlkith: this reminds me that there was some lisp to php project around, I'm not sure how good that is (or how close to CL), heh 15:18:09 bit it'd still be slow non-gc php underneath 15:18:10 pnathan [~Adium@98.145.116.190] has joined #lisp 15:18:27 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:18:33 -!- loke [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:33 There are some quite affordable hosting services, these days. 15:19:57 I'm thinking of trying this one out: http://hosting.cafe24.com/?controller=product_server_virtual&method=linux 15:20:11 -!- dRbiG [drbig@insomniac.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:20:24 It's about $22 to setup, and $5.50 a month for the lowest end option. 15:21:07 Just have to see how it compares with linode in terms of reliability. 15:21:55 do they also use xen? 15:22:01 -!- CrazyThinker [~CrazyThin@unaffiliated/crazythinker] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:22:23 -!- alunihil [~chatzilla@111-252-224-67.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 15:22:56 if so it might even be possible to use other OSs than the ones they install by default, if they allow it (i.e. setting up a BSD on Linode is possible, but unsupported) 15:23:47 ah and linode offers backup plans, I assume that cafe24 too? 15:23:50 -!- kaffekop` [~user@ip-85-197-171-11.c4stads.bikab.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:25:10 It just says that you can choose between the three listed. 15:25:13 -!- fuzzy_tomato [~lol@adsl-70-234-105-120.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:25:15 dl [~download@chpcwl01.hpc.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 15:25:22 But presumably it's under xen, although I can see no mention of it. 15:25:38 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-180-55.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:25:39 Although I've found xen to be a bit unstable. 15:25:52 I can crash xen reliably by using uml. 15:26:20 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-180-55.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:26:45 SBCL used to trigger bugs in old Xen as well. 15:27:16 I'm not sure if linode still has a uml option, but that's what they used before xen 15:28:10 Anyhow, I'll probably rent one of the low end servers and see how it goes. 15:28:21 If it works well, I might migrate there from linode. 15:28:38 Since it's about a third the cost. 15:28:53 zenlunatic [~justin@c-68-48-40-231.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:29:24 zmyrgel [~user@hoasb-ff0cdd00-22.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 15:29:27 As far as I can tell, you get what you pay for. 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Linux works fine but on Windows there's something really odd going on. 18:18:40 but I haven't really looked into it that deeply yet 18:18:51 anyone here maintaining osicat? 18:19:12 zmyrgel: nikodemus is, i think, the person mostly recently maintaining osicat. he is here sometimes. 18:19:52 ok, send patch to osicat-devel mailing list but there doesn't seem to be much trafic there 18:20:26 does quicklisp allow applying local patches to dists? 18:21:04 alkoma [~alkoma@c-67-160-207-86.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:21:14 zmyrgel: No. If you want to use a variant, the best way right now is to put it somewhere visible to asdf, e.g. ~/quicklisp/local-projects/ 18:21:21 It will be loaded in preference to the one in Quicklisp. 18:21:59 ok, good to know 18:25:26 -!- alexshendi [~wircer@dslb-178-010-027-107.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #lisp 18:25:41 -!- alkoma [~alkoma@c-67-160-207-86.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:26:55 -!- vantage|work [~chatzilla@d5152EDDB.static.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 9.0.1/20111220165912]] 18:30:53 -!- rmathews [~roshan@59.92.19.56] has quit [Quit: rmathews] 18:33:24 rmathews [~roshan@59.92.19.56] has joined #lisp 18:37:37 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:38:21 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 18:38:32 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-139-212.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:38:46 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-139-212.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:43:42 pnq [~nick@AC812DC4.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 18:44:02 -!- seesolve [~sojo@96.232.27.30] has left #lisp 18:48:04 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-139-212.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:17 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-139-212.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:55:39 -!- Guthur [~user@212.183.128.228] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:56:19 Buglouse [~tc@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:56:45 -!- Buglouse is now known as Guest78763 18:56:55 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 18:56:57 -!- Guest78763 [~tc@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:59:06 SurlyFrog [~Adium@c-24-118-228-15.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:59:42 -!- rmathews [~roshan@59.92.19.56] has quit [Quit: rmathews] 18:59:44 Guthur [~user@212.183.128.228] has joined #lisp 18:59:51 EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@190.244.15.195] has joined #lisp 19:01:33 barryfm [~barryfm@fl-71-2-134-179.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 19:01:49 -!- barryfm [~barryfm@fl-71-2-134-179.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has left #lisp 19:02:15 -!- totzeit [~kirkwood@c-24-17-38-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02:35 totzeit [~kirkwood@c-24-17-38-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:05:14 davlap [~davlap@c-24-147-211-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:07:53 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-75-38.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 19:08:36 jacius [~jacius@c-24-13-89-230.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:08:42 hasnointentions [~hasnointe@ip72-195-135-173.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 19:09:12 gacek [~user@apn-46-169-167-236.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl] has joined #lisp 19:10:20 Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:10:21 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-139-212.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:10:28 Hello, everyone. Short question: how do you go about detecting keypresses in Common Lisp? 19:10:45 I tried read-char but it requires return 19:10:46 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-139-212.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:11:27 gacek, most languages don't have a standard way to accomplish that 19:11:52 it would depend on the environment you are running 19:11:54 Flatlander: what then would you suggest 19:12:07 GNU/Linux 19:12:25 I thought, maybe one would have to detect Xorg events... 19:12:42 gacek: yes or use a curses or gtk binding 19:12:45 in a terminal? 19:12:57 Yup. Text-based Pong 19:13:14 I'd use curses in that case. I think there are a few lisp wrappers around that 19:13:30 cl-ncurses is quickloadable. 19:13:47 Great, I'll give it a try 19:13:54 Thanks guys. 19:14:01 -!- dl [~download@chpcwl01.hpc.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:14:07 curses applications are a bit of an bitch to develop if you are using a emacs+slime combination 19:14:43 Well, I am... 19:14:47 Why? 19:14:54 if that's the case I'd suggest starting the lisp+swank in a separate terminal and then connect to it from emacs. ISTR it works well 19:15:16 gacek, I believe you'll need libncurses-dev package in Debian. 19:15:34 gacek, at least I have had some problems with running curses applications inside emacs 19:15:46 use ansi-term to run them. 19:16:25 Doesn't ansi-term have some problems displaying ncurses? 19:16:51 As far as I remember, that's why I switched to term. 19:17:27 -!- chiguire|m [~chiguire@gentoo/developer/chiguire] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:17:35 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-180-55.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:18:15 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-180-55.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:18:43 -!- slash_ [~unknown@141.84.69.75] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:19:35 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.114.41.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:20:29 I've no problem unless I try to use tmux. 19:20:29 hmm, at least dungeon crawl stone soup seems to work under ansi-term 19:20:47 Houl [~Miranda@unaffiliated/houl] has joined #lisp 19:21:33 tomppa: Why the new nick? 19:21:56 Whoa, I see things have changed. Tmux *almost* works in ansi-term 19:22:15 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-46.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:22:16 Xach, it's what I tend to use in other parts of the internet 19:22:32 -!- pnq [~nick@AC812DC4.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:22:42 tritchey [~tritchey@108.60.121.114] has joined #lisp 19:23:03 and I haven't been much on the #lisp lately so I thought it would be good time change it 19:23:19 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 19:24:08 -!- ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:26:04 -!- Kvaks [~kvaks@139.158.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26:08 gacek, if you are just aiming for the terminal aesthetics you might be better off with using some graphics library, like SDL. It might actually be easier 19:27:58 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 19:31:04 -!- trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:32:11 asvil` [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has joined #lisp 19:32:47 rpg [~rpg@mpls.sift.info] has joined #lisp 19:33:02 -!- dtw [dtw@dsl-roibrasgw1-fe84fb00-215.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: (save-lisp-and-die)] 19:33:56 -!- schmx [~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:34:31 schmx [~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has joined #lisp 19:35:25 osa1 [~sinan@31.140.109.25] has joined #lisp 19:40:33 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:43:51 chp [~user@c-68-45-180-238.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:46:11 -!- hasnointentions [~hasnointe@ip72-195-135-173.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:47:49 chiguire|m [~chiguire@190.39.219.179] has joined #lisp 19:47:49 -!- chiguire|m [~chiguire@190.39.219.179] has quit [Changing host] 19:47:49 chiguire|m [~chiguire@gentoo/developer/chiguire] has joined #lisp 19:49:01 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-133.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 19:49:29 -!- robde [~robde@p579031F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Gone.] 19:50:31 Ok, thanks for your advice, guys. 19:51:37 gniourf_gniourf [~Gniourf@2a01:e35:2433:3b90:222:41ff:fe23:8d8e] has joined #lisp 19:52:16 -!- sacho_ [~sacho@92-247-246-203.spectrumnet.bg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:52:31 nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p5B3EDF9F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:56:39 hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:57:26 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-180-55.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:58:11 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-180-55.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:58:25 fuzzy_tomato [~lol@adsl-70-234-105-120.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:02:29 -!- asvil` [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:05:38 rmathews [~roshan@59.92.19.56] has joined #lisp 20:05:59 -!- November [november@osiris.parodius.com] has left #lisp 20:07:25 tensorpudding [~michael@99.148.193.184] has joined #lisp 20:07:47 -!- ski_ [~slj@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:08:05 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 20:10:49 jjkola [~jjkola@xdsl-83-150-83-66.nebulazone.fi] has joined #lisp 20:11:58 -!- chiguire|m [~chiguire@gentoo/developer/chiguire] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:12:05 kpal [~kpal@217.12.71.160] has joined #lisp 20:12:18 phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 20:12:32 -!- phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 20:12:32 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 20:12:34 -!- fugue88 [~dsowen@173-165-137-65-utah.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: rebooting] 20:13:53 -!- ddp [~ddp@216.243.111.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14:12 ddp [~ddp@93.182.131.23] has joined #lisp 20:15:39 -!- mlkith [~redmundia@mail.madito.es] has quit [Quit: Chateando desde http://webchat.redmundial.org (Session timeout)] 20:16:43 -!- kpal [~kpal@217.12.71.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:20:26 ddp_ [~ddp@216.243.111.165] has joined #lisp 20:21:23 -!- rmathews [~roshan@59.92.19.56] has quit [Quit: rmathews] 20:22:17 chiguire|m [~chiguire@gentoo/developer/chiguire] has joined #lisp 20:22:50 woodz [~wooodz@host109-150-39-20.range109-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 20:23:50 marsell [~marsell@120.18.211.203] has joined #lisp 20:24:24 -!- ddp [~ddp@93.182.131.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:24:24 -!- ddp_ is now known as ddp 20:26:38 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-180-55.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:27:52 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-180-55.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:29:38 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:30:12 *Xach* reports bugs 20:32:55 pnq [~nick@AC82CEDD.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 20:34:45 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:34:48 Kvaks [~kvaks@139.158.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 20:36:35 -!- zmyrgel [~user@hoasb-ff0cdd00-22.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:37:43 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128075025.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:38:38 slash_ [~unknown@141.84.69.75] has joined #lisp 20:40:08 -!- slash_ [~unknown@141.84.69.75] has left #lisp 20:46:02 -!- Kovensky [kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:48:51 Rapeseed [~Rapeseed@201.160.243.202] has joined #lisp 20:50:55 Kovensky [kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has joined #lisp 20:52:30 Xach: has working on quicklisp helped identify many bugs in various libs? 20:58:10 Guthur: Many trivial bugs, yes. Things like bad declarations, missing parens, implicit dependencies, etc 20:58:12 Cosman246 [~cosman246@D-69-91-156-166.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 20:58:40 This latest bug is a missing paren 21:00:38 -!- osa1 [~sinan@31.140.109.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:01:36 Rapeseed: i see those racist spammers go for privmsg now 21:02:22 -!- ISF_ [~ivan@201.82.138.222] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:03:11 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Xach 21:03:14 niko [~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko] has joined #lisp 21:03:14 -!- Xach has set mode +b *!*Rapeseed@201.160.243.* 21:03:19 -!- Rapeseed [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has been kicked from #lisp by Xach (Rapeseed) 21:03:21 ISF_ [~ivan@201.82.138.222] has joined #lisp 21:04:31 -!- woodz [~wooodz@host109-150-39-20.range109-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 21:05:19 -!- rpg [~rpg@mpls.sift.info] has quit [Quit: rpg] 21:06:19 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-222-110.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:08:27 Vivitron [~user@pool-173-48-170-228.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:09:43 -!- fuzzy_tomato [~lol@adsl-70-234-105-120.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:10:03 -!- ozzloy_ is now known as ozzloy 21:10:12 -!- ozzloy [~ozzloy@ozzloy.lifeafterking.org] has quit [Changing host] 21:10:12 ozzloy [~ozzloy@unaffiliated/ozzloy] has joined #lisp 21:12:17 -!- Xach has set mode -o Xach 21:13:50 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 21:14:09 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@79.Red-88-7-134.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 21:15:09 Xach: you only check if it builds right? ie: you don't run the test suites or do stuff like tat 21:15:14 s/tat/that/ 21:15:20 I do run the test suites if they are separate systems. 21:15:28 oh cool 21:15:57 Well, "run" is perhaps too strong a word. I build them. 21:17:54 ski_ [~slj@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 21:17:54 blackwolf [~blackwolf@ool-45763eb0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 21:18:31 -!- jjkola [~jjkola@xdsl-83-150-83-66.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 21:18:42 you basically load each system which is available through quicklisp then 21:20:15 Way more than is available 21:20:23 The ones that don't build don't make it in 21:20:28 -!- urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-216-74.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:20:47 -!- chiguire|m [~chiguire@gentoo/developer/chiguire] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:20:50 is that reported somewhere? 21:21:16 chiguire|m [~chiguire@gentoo/developer/chiguire] has joined #lisp 21:21:39 Nope. 21:24:39 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.195.90] has joined #lisp 21:27:53 raziel [4e262a4f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.38.42.79] has joined #lisp 21:28:18 whois aoh 21:29:24 -!- raziel [4e262a4f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.38.42.79] has quit [Client Quit] 21:39:17 -!- rme [~rme@50.43.137.115] has quit [Quit: rme] 21:41:17 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-75-38.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 21:41:45 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:42:22 X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #lisp 21:42:24 mrSpec [~Spec@77-254-209-51.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #lisp 21:42:30 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@77-254-209-51.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Changing host] 21:42:30 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 21:43:55 yoklov [~yoklov@24-177-5-183.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #lisp 21:46:35 -!- ThePawnBreak [~quassel@94.177.108.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:46:55 -!- nuba [~nuba@pauleira.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:48:29 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 21:48:58 -!- yoklov [~yoklov@24-177-5-183.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit [Quit: bye!] 21:49:26 yoklov [~yoklov@24-177-5-183.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #lisp 21:51:49 -!- hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1279564565.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:52:28 DataLinkDroid [~David@120.155.134.249] has joined #lisp 21:55:35 fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-178-002-115-194.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 21:57:16 msponge [~msponge@18.189.103.48] has joined #lisp 21:58:45 hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1279564565.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 21:58:57 hak5fan [~bjorn@c19B200C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #lisp 21:59:51 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 22:01:16 xjrn [~chatzilla@c-67-174-244-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:02:47 nuba [~nuba@pauleira.com] has joined #lisp 22:03:40 -!- Carmivore [~carmivmor@ec2-50-19-173-173.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:06:15 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.195.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:07:21 Carmivore [~carmivmor@ec2-67-202-0-205.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 22:08:18 -!- nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p5B3EDF9F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:08:38 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:09:10 -!- Flatlander [~tomppa@b27.kiulu.jyu.fi] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:10:35 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@m90-141-46-62.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 22:11:11 -!- [SLB] [~balthasar@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: [ Close the World, Open the nExt ]] 22:14:56 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-75-38.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 22:16:23 mk2 [~user@erft-4db7d512.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 22:17:06 -!- gacek [~user@apn-46-169-167-236.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl] has left #lisp 22:19:38 -!- Guthur [~user@212.183.128.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:21:01 waveman [~tim@124-149-87-180.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 22:25:00 n1tn4tsn0k [~kvirc@178.47.16.125] has joined #lisp 22:25:45 Hey guys. Please tell me how to get all exported symbols in package. 22:25:53 wondertageous [~wondertag@123.233.215.219] has joined #lisp 22:26:41 do-external-symbols ? 22:28:20 Thank you. 22:30:17 -!- Adrinael [~adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:34:27 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-178-002-115-194.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: humhum] 22:34:56 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:35:22 -!- ISF_ [~ivan@201.82.138.222] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:37:11 -!- tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:40:08 mlkith [~redmundia@mail.madito.es] has joined #lisp 22:40:37 hello. how do I combine directory and filename into a path? 22:40:46 tessier [~treed@mail.copilotco.com] has joined #lisp 22:41:25 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-133.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:41:45 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:42:01 mlkith: merge-pathnames 22:43:54 thanks 22:46:27 -!- Kvaks [~kvaks@139.158.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:41 -!- hak5fan [~bjorn@c19B200C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:46:47 hak5fan [~bjorn@c19B200C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #lisp 22:47:44 -!- silver [~kingrat@178.121.254.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:48:07 -!- niko [~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:48:16 -!- totzeit [~kirkwood@c-24-17-38-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:49:05 -!- n1tn4tsn0k [~kvirc@178.47.16.125] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:49:35 -!- mk2 [~user@erft-4db7d512.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:49:56 phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 22:49:56 -!- phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 22:49:56 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 22:51:08 -!- hak5fan [~bjorn@c19B200C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:53:46 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:56:14 -!- wondertageous [~wondertag@123.233.215.219] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 22:57:13 [SLB] [~balthasar@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 22:58:58 Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:00:29 hak5fan [~bjorn@c19B200C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #lisp 23:00:39 silver [~kingrat@178.120.27.192] has joined #lisp 23:03:58 -!- bri4n_ [~bri4n@188.24.106.71] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:04:22 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 23:04:58 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 23:05:50 -!- chiguire|m [~chiguire@gentoo/developer/chiguire] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:06:09 snearch [~snearch@e178188166.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 23:11:20 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:12:53 drewc [~user@207.6.31.109] has joined #lisp 23:13:50 sorry everyone, cliki was down for a little while because apache2 failed for some reason! 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