00:09:09 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:10:31 pnq [~nick@AC8337F2.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 00:10:48 -!- sacho_ [~sacho@95-42-91-219.btc-net.bg] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:12:15 -!- nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p57AD7382.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:16:40 sacho_ [~sacho@95-42-91-219.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 00:18:45 is there an etymologic history of lisp keywords like prog1, prog2, progn, and various other (how they became to be named like that ?) ? 00:19:08 prog is progress ? 00:19:15 wbooze: "program" I believe 00:19:15 and progn progess next or so ? 00:19:20 oh 00:19:30 https://www.cs.drexel.edu/~jpopyack/Courses/AI/Sp11/extras/LISP/PROG_LISP.html 00:19:38 prog n, like the variable n. You have a progn with n expressions, it returns the value of the nth. 00:21:49 so why isn't there a prog3 for example then ? 00:22:32 wbooze: because you were reluctant to write it 00:22:47 actually a (prog (nr) ...) could be cool to have 00:23:16 prog already exists, though. 00:25:05 so it's rather prog == process group 00:25:38 Bike: yeah, made it (prg 3 "one" "two" "three" "four") in a quick test 00:26:00 urandom__ [~user@p548A573F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 00:26:43 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 00:26:55 i'm always surprised by how easy it is to write an initial test implementation for something like this 00:28:17 -!- silver_ [~kingrat@178.121.254.43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30:43 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:31:01 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 00:35:15 -!- naryl [~weechat@188.134.95.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:36:22 -!- totzeit [~kirkwood@c-24-17-10-251.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36:23 -!- diginet [~user@ppp-70-247-43-95.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:36:48 totzeit [~kirkwood@c-24-17-10-251.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:44:12 wbooze: how so? 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the handler func? 02:33:36 there's only one higher-order function in that paste. 02:34:01 oh Higher order func 02:34:17 sorry i just didn't grok HoF acronym 02:35:40 cheers for the suggestions pkhuong 02:35:46 i need to sleep now 02:35:57 -!- Guthur [~user@host86-147-204-196.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:42:01 pnathan [~Adium@98.145.116.190] has joined #lisp 02:42:16 -!- davlap [~davlap@c-24-147-211-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 02:47:19 -!- waveman [~tim@124-168-80-70.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:53:21 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A573F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:58:20 -!- pnathan [~Adium@98.145.116.190] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:58:49 leoncamel [~user@KD175129170046.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 03:05:23 -!- wolfpython [~wolf@112.3.255.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:07:31 ISF_ [~ivan@201.82.138.222] has joined #lisp 03:10:41 -!- bhaskara [~user@gw.willowgarage.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:11:44 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:11:52 nialo [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 03:12:47 -!- dmiles_afk is now known as dmiles 03:12:48 -!- dmiles is now known as dmiles_afk 03:13:09 -!- leoncamel [~user@KD175129170046.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:16:49 simplechat [~simplecha@123-243-79-139.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 03:16:59 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@123-243-79-139.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 03:16:59 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 03:18:04 wolfpython [~wolf@180.109.56.19] has joined #lisp 03:22:10 sacho_ [~sacho@95-42-91-219.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 03:24:27 -!- fmuzf [~fmuzf@137.229.25.137] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:24:33 dys` [~andreas@krlh-5f713dce.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 03:26:17 -!- dys [~andreas@krlh-5f71dbc2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:32:56 white-cat [~sbenitezb@71-208-17-190.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #lisp 03:35:05 -!- edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 03:35:15 leo2007 [~leo@123.114.44.167] has joined #lisp 03:45:10 -!- scrimohsin [~pgdndel@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 03:47:55 -!- btbngr [~btbngr@188.28.127.57.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:48:34 teggi [~teggi@123.20.52.215] has joined #lisp 03:48:51 btbngr [~btbngr@smorge2.force9.co.uk] has joined #lisp 03:51:02 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.148.193.184] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:52:22 wildnux [~wildnux@cpe-72-182-70-190.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:54:52 tensorpudding [~michael@99.148.193.184] has joined #lisp 03:55:29 -!- sacho_ [~sacho@95-42-91-219.btc-net.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:55:59 -!- Cosman246 [~cosman246@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:57:25 -!- ddp [~ddp@216.243.111.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:57:43 ddp [~ddp@anon-184-23.relakks.com] has joined #lisp 03:59:42 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.81.205] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:59:53 -!- chenbing [~user@115.206.199.178] has left #lisp 04:00:03 lemoinem [~swoog@205.233.80.53] has joined #lisp 04:06:41 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 04:16:01 -!- Blkt [~user@82.84.172.202] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:16:58 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 04:17:52 -!- white-cat [~sbenitezb@71-208-17-190.fibertel.com.ar] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 04:20:47 sacho_ [~sacho@95-42-91-219.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 04:24:07 Frozenlock [~user@cable-quebec-15.246.173-179.electronicbox.net] has joined #lisp 04:24:22 chenbing [~user@115.206.199.178] has joined #lisp 04:30:39 Cosman246 [~cosman246@c-50-135-152-107.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:33:07 pkhuong: does your annotation forward propagate conditions which aren't of type zmq-error? 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06:02:09 Bike [~Glossina@71-38-155-127.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 06:07:29 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:10:26 -!- November [november@osiris.parodius.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:11:19 -!- spacebat_ [~spacebat@ubermonkey.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:11:28 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-1-147.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:11:36 Frozenlock: what's that? 06:13:13 -!- johs [~johs@hawk.netfonds.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:13:14 -!- elliottjohnson [~elliott@elliottjohnson.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:13:20 johs [~johs@hawk.netfonds.no] has joined #lisp 06:13:21 elliottjohnson [~elliott@elliottjohnson.net] has joined #lisp 06:14:26 spacebat [~spacebat@174.143.144.173] has joined #lisp 06:14:29 stassats: position/integral/derivative 06:14:31 -!- schmx [~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:14:43 used to implement closed feedback loops for control systems 06:14:55 kind of a odd thing to do in CL, I think 06:14:56 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 06:15:13 Frozenlock: why do you want to do that? 06:15:14 -!- btbngr [~btbngr@188.28.63.247.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:15:30 I doubt there's a library, but iirc it's quite trivial to implement 06:15:36 less trivial to tune for your application, though 06:15:41 schmx [~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has joined #lisp 06:19:04 -!- jayne [~jayne@freenode/staff/jayne] has quit [Ping timeout: 612 seconds] 06:20:06 -!- wolf_ [~wolf@180.111.141.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:20:36 I'll try that then, thanks! 06:27:14 November [november@osiris.parodius.com] has joined #lisp 06:31:14 hba [~hba@189.130.178.126] has joined #lisp 06:31:37 -!- November [november@osiris.parodius.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:32:00 dlowe: Where's the networking backend on Tempuscode in the github repo? 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I've run into a performance issue with a Lisp routine and I'm not sure where to find detailed information on which functions/macros have which performance profiles. 07:37:36 bieber [~quassel@162-78.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 07:40:02 sbcl has a statistical profiler which seems to do pretty well 07:40:08 sb-sprof:... 07:41:42 Does anyone know how best to use TELNET with a socket library? 07:42:01 CL-TELNETD has nothing, and telnetlib seems to be client-side 07:51:41 -!- wolfpython [~wolf@114.222.249.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:52:46 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-24-218-165-162.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:52:55 Cosman246: um, what are you trying to do? 07:53:30 Ralith: Build a MUD....it's a long-term thing... 07:53:50 afaik, telnet isn't really a protocol 07:54:10 just implement the comms yourself directly on top of iolib or usocket 07:54:38 Ralith: what's a good place for documentation on implementing the comms 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Guthur [~user@host86-147-204-196.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 11:17:04 zmyrgel [~user@hoasb-ff0cdd00-22.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 11:18:55 hi, where can I find documentation how to define OS specific code such as #+linux? 11:18:56 teggi_ [~teggi@113.172.49.16] has joined #lisp 11:21:19 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.20.52.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:23:52 (push :zmyrgel *features*) #+zmyrgel 10 => 10 11:23:55 *features* 11:24:11 nha [~prefect@p3E9E37F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:24:28 for the code, you'll have to see your implementation's docs 11:25:09 just pushing to *features* isn't portable? 11:25:18 Blkt: I've browsed through SBCL doc but didn't notice anything 11:25:36 I need to work with CFFI to get osicat to work on OpenBSD 11:25:55 which means it needs to skip some parts if running on OpenBSD 11:26:32 I see lot of #-darwin (progn ....) stuff but I don't know where to look for documentation how to work with it 11:26:49 -!- sdemarre 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Thanks 11:29:06 glad I could help 11:31:04 -!- kilon` is now known as kilon 11:32:47 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@h178-129-85-135.dyn.bashtel.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:33:47 marsell [~marsell@120.18.172.57] has joined #lisp 11:39:51 leoncamel [~user@KD175129170046.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 11:40:58 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.195.90] has joined #lisp 11:41:06 -!- NihilistDandy [~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 11:49:29 naryl [~weechat@188.134.95.93] has joined #lisp 11:51:13 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:53:56 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-161-113.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:55:31 how can I declare a high order func inline 11:56:09 chenbing [~user@115.206.199.178] has joined #lisp 11:58:37 -!- gensym [~user@dslc-082-082-103-174.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02:48 Guthur: http://common-lisp.net/project/cmucl/doc/cmu-user/compiler-hint.html#toc185 ? 12:07:29 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-98.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:08:21 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-98.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:14:37 -!- wolfpython [~wolf@180.109.159.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:15:01 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:15:42 -!- leoncamel [~user@KD175129170046.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:17:57 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:21:51 snearch [~snearch@e178059086.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 12:24:44 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 12:26:35 wolfpython [~wolf@121.237.210.78] has joined #lisp 12:29:05 osa1 [~sinan@78.173.253.78] has joined #lisp 12:31:35 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.104.214] has joined #lisp 12:31:53 -!- Intensity [UgkqQK1boU@unaffiliated/intensity] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:32:24 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-234-163.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 12:32:40 do you know a good library to connect a mysql database with common lisp? 12:33:15 clsql ? 12:33:27 -!- wolfpython [~wolf@121.237.210.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:38:33 phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 12:38:33 -!- phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 12:38:33 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 12:40:04 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.54.65] has joined #lisp 12:40:05 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.54.65] has quit [Changing host] 12:40:05 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 12:42:17 Guthur: I heard you used 0MQ in anger, with CL? 12:42:43 p_l|home: yeah, a little bit 12:42:56 osa1: CLSQL and commercial lisps have support for MySQL, you can also write an ODBC support for some free lisp 12:43:04 there may be some who have used it more 12:43:16 Guthur: any specific impressions? 12:44:18 from the ZMQ perspective I am pretty sold on the message passing semantics and multiple connection pattern architecture 12:45:05 the cl-zmq binding seems ok, it would need a little work to bring it inline with the current ZMQ 2.x 12:45:15 (also, is any part of what you did available online, or could be made available for NCE purpose without redistribution of source?) 12:45:37 oh the binding I am working isn't ready for prime time yet 12:45:44 it will be available soon 12:46:04 I'm looking at improving the latency at the moment 12:46:22 I've ran the inproc_lat test with ZMQ 3.x 12:46:46 the C verson is ~9us, my binding is ~14.5 12:46:59 I am also interested to read code that uses ZMQ. I have this big university project that I plan to use it in 12:47:27 thats a 32 byte message with 1000000 round trips 12:47:40 (Intelligent Systems Engineering, I proposed an architecture that uses ZMQ to interoperate multiple different parts written in different languages) 12:48:06 p_l|home: I really recommend taking a look through the ZGuide if you haven't already 12:48:16 Going through it 12:48:22 I go there for patterns as a first port of call 12:48:48 what I implemented my last real use case was a inproc version of the divide and conqueror 12:48:55 though I ended up making something reminding me of MPLS after learning of multipart messages. Envelopes? What envelopes! 12:49:27 p_l|home: yeah that part is to get more explicit routing iirc 12:49:42 using router/dealer sockets 12:49:55 one would definitely try to wrap that up somehow 12:50:49 Guthur: In my case, I want to put "labels" like "auth" into a request, that can be inspected to pass permissions around 12:50:59 (so that I know which session originated the request) 12:51:26 mongrel2 might have something similar to thas 12:51:28 that* 12:51:34 I haven't looked at it though 12:51:50 but I guess that it would do something like that 12:51:58 yeah, I suspect we might use Mongrel2 in frontend, but Passenger will do as well 12:52:31 mongrel2 would allow you to plumb into it with ZMQ as it uses it 12:52:41 not familiar with passenger 12:53:49 it's for ruby. I think we might go with PHP or Ruby for frontend (basically a REST service that serves as broker with rest of the architecture) 12:53:51 not sure I can really give you too much help on really big system architectures with ZMQ 12:54:01 I have yet to build one, hoping to soon though 12:54:55 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:55:37 jaminja [~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja] has joined #lisp 12:56:55 I have a profiler output, can anyone spot any places to possibly investigate for performance improvements -> http://paste.lisp.org/display/126911 12:58:03 wolfpython [~wolf@222.95.184.64] has joined #lisp 12:59:07 -!- kpal [~kpal@46-252-115-118.sibtele.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:00:53 kpal [~kpal@46-252-115-118.sibtele.com] has joined #lisp 13:02:27 p_l|home: unfortunately I seem to have forgotten to push the latest version of the project I was working on using ZMQ 13:02:37 so I only have an old version of the code 13:04:09 MoALTz [~no@178.181.247.249.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has joined #lisp 13:04:48 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-133-76.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:05:05 p_l|home: http://paste.lisp.org/display/126912 13:05:27 please don't read too much into that code it was an early version 13:05:58 one obvious thing that i see that change was that the kill signal was properly implemented rather that the destroy-thread 13:06:14 by the looks I had started it here, but not finished 13:06:55 I really need to keep my PCs more in sync 13:08:41 Intensity [6zNDP14Gi1@unaffiliated/intensity] has joined #lisp 13:09:41 -!- [SLB] [~balthasar@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: [ Close the World, Open the nExt ]] 13:10:45 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.0.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:11:39 Do you know where I can find the CLIM spec on line? 13:11:43 -!- wolfpython [~wolf@222.95.184.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:13:11 -!- btbngr [~btbngr@188.29.13.14.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:13:25 it ocmes witha user-manual and a guided-tour doc 13:13:41 the spec is on harlequins site and on franzs 13:14:06 the 2.0 one is the actual one 13:14:39 wbooze: harlequin? 13:15:02 erm, lispworks 13:15:16 there are two versions actually 13:16:27 i think the interfaces maybe different in both, but the api should be almost the same..... 13:16:44 not sure.... 13:17:42 -!- gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:17:47 -!- csdserver [~csdserver@unaffiliated/csddesk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:19:20 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:20:24 There was once one at http://bauhh.dyndns.org/clim-spec/ but it is gone. 13:21:14 no it's there 13:21:37 bauhh.dyndns.org:8000 13:21:51 got a different port maybe 13:23:33 -!- zmyrgel [~user@hoasb-ff0cdd00-22.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:24:34 www.csl.sri.com/users/gilham/clim/cover.html is another one 13:26:19 Guthur: "(epic) had thrown me for a loop for a moment ;) 13:26:31 wolfpython [~wolf@222.95.185.34] has joined #lisp 13:29:28 Here's a brain teaser for you: What's the best way to rename a file named "foo.tmp" to "foo" in SBCL? 13:29:39 (Please don't suggest things you haven't tried) 13:31:42 Xach: if you have a copy of the mcclim spec, I don't mind hosting it on common-lisp.net. 13:32:08 the :8000 version might suffice 13:32:21 probably next to a copy of the hyperspec, which we don't host either (ugh) 13:32:21 Xach: by installing iolib, of course! 13:34:25 zhangkaizhao [~zhangkaiz@27.47.15.39] has joined #lisp 13:34:28 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-98.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:34:47 -!- zhangkaizhao [~zhangkaiz@27.47.15.39] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:35:53 zhangkaizhao [~zhangkaiz@27.47.15.39] has joined #lisp 13:36:34 -!- zhangkaizhao [~zhangkaiz@27.47.15.39] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:37:05 zhangkaizhao [~zhangkaiz@27.47.15.39] has joined #lisp 13:43:38 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:45:42 Xach: (rename-file "foo.tmp" "foo.") ? 13:47:23 Phoodus: When you tried that, what happened? 13:47:55 it renamed it to foo without an extension or trailing period 13:48:20 -!- ecraven [~nex@www.nexoid.at] has quit [Quit: rb] 13:48:24 the 3 return values were "...foo." "...foo.tmp" "...foo" 13:48:48 Phoodus: My SBCL does something different. 13:49:19 hmm, old 1.0.29 here :) 13:50:30 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.159.210] has joined #lisp 13:50:32 AeroNotix [~Xenocorp@bct102.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 13:50:38 ecraven [~nex@www.nexoid.at] has joined #lisp 13:51:19 (sb-posix:rename "foo.tmp" "foo") 13:51:19 nialo_s [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 13:51:41 might not be good or portable, but does the trick 13:52:46 Slightly more portable is: (isys:rename ...) 13:53:32 But it's indeed weird that new SBCLs don't rename that file (tried it too). 13:53:32 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:53:57 -!- nialo` [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:55:08 I use only Linux and I tend to do most of the filesystem-related stuff with iolib.syscalls library. 13:55:58 dtw: I doubt having quicklisp depend on iolib is a good game plan. 13:57:14 dtw: weird? 13:57:29 -!- wolfpython [~wolf@222.95.185.34] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:58:12 Phoodus: do you have a transcript from 1.0.29? the oldest i have is 1.0.31 13:58:18 Guthur: you declare a function inline with (declare (inline call-with-retry)) 13:58:32 This isn't quicklisp-related, just idle brain-teasery 13:59:08 Xach, I'd expect (rename-file "foo.tmp" "foo") work. 13:59:22 nialo` [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 13:59:42 dtw: why? 14:00:17 OK, maybe I'm stupid but why not? 14:00:22 I vaguely remember some discussion about this on the -dev list. It probably involved Xof and nikodemus ;) 14:00:34 dtw: That's not what the spec says should happen. 14:00:39 dtw: that "." means something to CL 14:01:12 To SBCL, anyway. 14:03:02 *Xach* suddenly finds the way, without using sb-posix or anything else 14:03:06 OK, thanks. I'll read the spec. 14:03:33 :type :unspecific? 14:03:47 aye 14:05:37 -!- kpal [~kpal@46-252-115-118.sibtele.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:07:41 Beware the dire warnings of 19.2.2.2.3 14:09:25 *Xach* limited to SBCL for a reason 14:09:53 Oh, hah. So you did. 14:10:51 Xach: transcript? 14:11:07 Phoodus: yes. from the repl. 14:11:14 gko [~gko@42-72-140-244.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 14:12:26 http://paste.lisp.org/display/126913 14:12:50 wolfpython [~wolf@180.111.139.17] has joined #lisp 14:12:54 Phoodus: thanks. 14:20:43 -!- marsell [~marsell@120.18.172.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:22:59 anyone want to trade Practical Clojure for Practical Common Lisp? 14:25:06 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has quit [*.net *.split] 14:25:06 -!- November [november@osiris.parodius.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 14:25:06 -!- CaZe [~CaZe@unaffiliated/y354c] has quit [*.net *.split] 14:25:06 -!- shachaf [~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 14:25:06 -!- borodon [~tmokros@ip68-106-150-168.cl.ri.cox.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 14:25:06 -!- _3b [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 14:25:07 -!- spacefrogg^ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [*.net *.split] 14:25:07 -!- BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has quit [*.net *.split] 14:25:07 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@77.109.98.120] has quit [*.net *.split] 14:25:07 -!- aoh [~aki@adsl-99-115.netplaza.fi] has quit [*.net *.split] 14:25:07 -!- cYmen [~cymen@squint.a-oben.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 14:25:07 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has quit [*.net *.split] 14:25:41 BlastHardcheese [chris@pool-71-104-77-165.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:25:41 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has joined #lisp 14:25:41 November [november@osiris.parodius.com] has joined #lisp 14:25:41 CaZe [~CaZe@unaffiliated/y354c] has joined #lisp 14:25:41 shachaf [~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net] has joined #lisp 14:25:41 borodon [~tmokros@ip68-106-150-168.cl.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 14:25:41 _3b [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:25:41 theBlackDragon [~dragon@77.109.98.120] has joined #lisp 14:25:41 aoh [~aki@adsl-99-115.netplaza.fi] has joined #lisp 14:25:41 cYmen [~cymen@squint.a-oben.org] has joined #lisp 14:25:41 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 14:25:50 spacefrogg^ [~spacefrog@141.76.92.5] has joined #lisp 14:25:52 -!- shachaf [~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:25:52 -!- BlastHardcheese [chris@pool-71-104-77-165.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:26:01 shachaf [~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net] has joined #lisp 14:26:17 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:28:33 AeroNotix: Which do you have? 14:28:44 Xach: Practical Clojure 14:28:45 -!- The_third_bug [~The_third@ram94-12-78-234-200-168.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:29:00 Xach: I see your quote is on the online version of Practical Common Lisp 14:29:07 pkhuong: cheers, yeah I got it eventually 14:29:52 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 14:30:25 BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has joined #lisp 14:30:30 and that profile says you're spending ~10% of the runtime setting up finalizers. 14:31:46 The_third_man [~The_third@ram94-12-78-234-200-168.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 14:32:11 pkhuong: I know, that was really disappointng 14:32:55 I haven't come up with an acceptable alternative, the object has a foreign memory pointer that needs freed 14:33:07 Exit. 14:33:17 and also needs to call and underlying lib func 14:33:21 and/an 14:33:38 Well, the question to ask is -- why is the object getting lost, so that the GC needs to care about it? 14:34:59 Zhivago: I did consider adding something to my interface which would allow the reuse of this object, can't remember why I removed it, it was late last night 14:35:07 let me add it again and see 14:35:12 Guthur: Not what I asked. 14:35:44 Zhivago: it's in the recvmsg func it obviously creates a message 14:35:49 Guthur: the question is more why don't you know better the lifetime of the object? 14:36:16 Guthur: Still not what I asked. 14:36:16 oh, I do 14:36:17 Guthur: open creates a stream. With-open-file nevertheless manages to close it without attaching a finalizer. 14:36:30 yeah I did consider that as well 14:36:51 never implemented it, wasn't sure if it would be an acceptable API for this 14:37:21 Generally finalizers are an indication that you've lost control over something. 14:37:31 Is this loss of control a feature? 14:38:07 [SLB] [~balthasar@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 14:38:21 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ei1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 14:38:24 You might even allow a lot more freedom by stashing newly-created messages in a dynamically-scoped list, introduced by a with-messages macro. With-messages can then deal with the messages just before returning. 14:38:25 I did consider adding a key parameter to object init so that you could specify it should be GC'd as well as a provide a with-msg interface 14:39:10 akovalenko [~akovalenk@77.51.59.44] has joined #lisp 14:40:01 Zhivago, pkhuong: thanks for the suggestions, I'll reconsider the implementation 14:40:11 -!- Kvaks [~kvaks@139.158.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:40:40 I suggest that you define them as having dynamic-extent. 14:40:48 Kvaks [~kvaks@139.158.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 14:41:13 And add an optional interface to extend that extent to become indefinite and attach a finalizer at that point. 14:43:03 I don't understand why you go through 0MQ if it's all in the same process. 14:43:33 pkhuong: that's just the test I was running at the moment, 14:43:42 it's obviously not the only use case 14:45:49 -!- trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:46:16 though in my opinion the flexibility of being able to effortlessly move from and inproc to ipc or tcp transport is very beneficial the appropriate systems 14:46:39 -!- CrazyEddy [~befriz@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:48:30 -!- MoALTz [~no@178.181.247.249.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:49:38 if you are thinking of something like SBCL mailbox contrib, imo it's just too narrow in it's use range 14:50:32 you are limited to SBCL and possibly non-windows platforms, unless SBCLs threading on Windows has much improved 14:51:57 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.114.44.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:52:11 SBCL on windows has improved a lot, I'm told. 14:52:29 -!- fugue88 [~dsowen@173-165-137-65-utah.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:52:39 and you can easily write your own mpmc queue with bordeaux-thread and standard CL. 14:52:52 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.159.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:53:09 -!- kilon [~user@athedsl-189243.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:53:14 -!- dtw [dtw@dsl-roibrasgw1-fe84fb00-215.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: +++ATH0] 14:54:28 kilon [~user@athedsl-409002.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 14:55:36 Any ipc limited to a process or machine is pretty much a waste of time these days. 14:55:42 ehu_ [~erik@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 14:56:12 So I can see why 0mq is attractive. 14:56:20 fugue88 [~dsowen@173-165-137-65-utah.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 14:57:48 I've found 0mq to be very useful 14:57:50 Zhivago: why? because you get to play with the restrictions of distributed computing, even when it's all in-process? 14:57:55 asvil [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has joined #lisp 14:58:23 pkhuong: 0MQ does limit you to all inproc 14:58:43 Guthur: doesn't, and I know. 14:59:41 Guthur: horses for courses, etc. I don't approach task distribution across dozens of machine the same way I approach parallel programming on dozens of cores. 14:59:54 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.159.210] has joined #lisp 15:01:05 I find it convenient to use even inproc 15:01:05 -!- ehu_ [~erik@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:01:24 I simply do not have the experience to effective roll my own 15:01:30 Zhivago seems to be saying that the only parallelism that matters works on multiple machines (why?), and that we should therefore pretend that even intra-socket parallelism is inter-machine. 15:01:30 loke [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 15:01:51 pkhuong: Yes. And those restrictions are useful. 15:01:52 jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-46.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:02:34 -!- osa1 [~sinan@78.173.253.78] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:46 I'm happy with my 4x or 8x speed up. It won't scale to 100 processors, but it's still faster, right now, on the one box I do own exclusively. 15:02:54 pkhuong: Not having been part of the prior disucssion, but that sounds incredibly over-engineered then, as one would have to prepare for partial failuers where none can happen... 15:03:10 loke: right. 15:03:21 CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 15:04:17 -!- wolfpython [~wolf@180.111.139.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:04:49 It'll be amusing to read back in a few years when that discussion will seem as quaint as those that assembly programmers had about procedures. :) 15:05:07 -!- Guthur [~user@host86-147-204-196.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:05:13 kilon` [~user@athedsl-189824.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 15:05:31 Zhivago: I wouldn't hold my breath. The Erlang people did that in the 80's and it still hasn't happened. 15:05:53 And there was Amoeba before that. 15:06:09 Zhivago: perhaps. The easiest way to make things scale usually involves handicapping small problems. What work in what the future may be isn't necessarily appropriate now. 15:06:37 The erlang people are irrelevant. 15:06:39 Guthur [~user@host86-147-204-196.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 15:06:44 LiamH [~healy@pool-74-96-10-77.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:06:53 It's a consequence of changing ecologies. 15:07:01 umm, my PC hung up, not nice 15:07:08 -!- kilon [~user@athedsl-409002.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:07:12 They just happened to occupy a similar niche back then. 15:12:22 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 15:15:59 zmyrgel [~user@hoasb-ff0cdd00-22.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 15:17:09 asvil` [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has joined #lisp 15:18:38 -!- asvil [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:18:52 -!- CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:19:15 -!- ehu 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has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:14:03 it can if you supply it appropriate :test function 18:14:13 ddp_ [~ddp@anon-156-11.relakks.com] has joined #lisp 18:14:51 right. or you can use position-if. but in itself, it does not do what yates wants to do. 18:16:53 -!- pjb- [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:16:55 -!- ddp [~ddp@anon-155-109.relakks.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:16:57 -!- ddp_ is now known as ddp 18:17:31 yes. also I'm not aware of any regular expression variations where "*a*" is valid. looks more like shell wildcards 18:18:34 (not serious) (pathname-match-p "cat" "*a*") => T 18:19:35 (position "*a*" (list "dog" "cat" "mouse") :test (lambda (x y) (pathname-match-p y x))) => 1 18:19:42 (again, don't use this at home) 18:20:08 (position "a" '("dog" "cat") :test #'search) ;; for ** only 18:24:05 Yeah, POSITION with :test #'PPCRE:SCAN or something like that. 18:28:08 jt123 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I am very new to Lisp and am learning CL from Practical CL. (((I must admit the syntax is a bit scary))) do you guys have links to some exciting Lisp sites/blogs that will keep me motivated/entertained? 19:41:19 yati: planet.lisp.org has a lot of lisp stuff on it 19:42:21 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 19:42:41 http://lisptips.com too 19:43:13 Xach: thanks :) Also, what's your recommended implementation (I am hating the emacs in the lisp in a box environment) for a beginner? 19:45:12 yati: for motivation just google "why lisp", but if you don't like emacs you can use vim. 19:45:49 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:47:36 daimrod: yes, I'd prefer vim anyday - but I suppose lisp in a box comes with emacs - is there an alternative that uses vim? 19:48:04 yati: you're life will be easier if you bite the Emacs bullet. Though Lispbox has suffered bitrot. These days you're better off grabbing Emacs and using Quicklisp to install SLIME. 19:48:43 and you're better off with quicklisp than with lispbox or starterpack 19:50:22 yati: there is evil-mode which emulates most of the vim features. If you still want to stick with vim check out slimv. 19:50:23 -!- totzeit [~kirkwood@c-24-17-10-251.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:51 You can play with Vim+CL but for serious use you just need Emacs. 19:50:59 zophy [~zophy@host-5-150-220-24.midco.net] has joined #lisp 19:51:15 yeltzooo SBCL is my favorite. 19:51:17 err 19:51:21 yati: sbcl is my favorite. 19:51:23 Guthur [~user@host86-140-179-11.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 19:54:04 Is there a way to change the default dynamic space size at build time? 19:54:07 in SBCL, that is. 19:54:31 -!- prxq [~mommer@h1836333.stratoserver.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:55:28 hahaa guys, I'm a bit confused here - I have installed on my system SBCL, CLisp(just because I read somewhere that Paul Graham uses it :P ) and Lispbox. I checked out the Quicklisp site, and I'm embarrassed to ask, is it another implementation? People, if you have a good tut for getting something beginner friendly up and running quickly, please share! And yes, I think I'm going to have to... 19:55:31 ...live with emacs unless I decide to break up with Lisp :P 19:55:34 jacius [~jacius@c-24-13-89-230.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:56:20 quicklisp is software to help extra software installation/loading 19:56:31 and can be used on various implementations 19:57:00 okay! got it :) 19:57:36 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-46.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:58:16 http://74.207.228.11/Getting%20Started + http://play.org/links/lisp-setup 19:58:20 yati: ^ 20:00:17 Xach: --dynamic-space-size=8Gb 20:00:38 note the tiny difference from the runtime option :\ 20:00:45 yati: if you've got SBCL installed, next step is to install quicklisp (just wget the file and LOAD it within SBCL). Then install emacs and use Quicklisp to install SLIME. 20:00:54 Xach: can probably point you to the instructions for the last step. 20:01:05 pkhuong: thanks 20:01:27 X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #lisp 20:01:35 it's even documented now! 20:02:20 Xach: and if/when you don't like 400Mb nursery, you can (setf (sb-ext:bytes-consed-between-gcs) ) 20:02:38 -!- [SLB] [~balthasar@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: [ Close the World, Open the nExt ]] 20:02:55 pkhuong: i looked at make.sh and didn't see any match for /dynamic 20:03:07 Where should I look? 20:03:13 make-config.sh 20:03:17 Xach: make-config.sh 20:03:17 ok, thanks 20:03:44 I was running out of heap when compiling some f2cl stuff 20:04:00 *Xach* rebuilds with 12Gb 20:04:31 -!- dtw [dtw@dsl-roibrasgw1-fe84fb00-215.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: +++ATH0] 20:04:59 entrix_ [~entrix@95-28-33-196.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 20:05:04 daimrod: going through 'em :) thanks 20:05:05 in my world, those are gigabits (one billion or 2^30, we never know). Sigh. 20:06:27 (save-lisp-and-die ... :save-runtime-options t) might be useful for making big-heap-sized sbcl without a complete rebuild 20:07:01 gigamonkey: thanks, I'm getting the quicklisp beta. 1 question - when I want a REPL like the one in lispbox(as a separate buffer in emacs), do I have to manually enter some command everytime? (sorry if I sound lame) 20:07:09 akovalenko: yeah, but that means i have to patch buildapp, which is harder :) 20:07:33 harder, but more useful :) 20:07:44 yati: M-x slime if you've configured it. 20:08:22 yes, that's the right long-term fix 20:08:47 great!! I'll be back if I face more trouble :) 20:10:07 -!- entrix_ [~entrix@95-28-33-196.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:11:49 yati: http://www.mohiji.org/2011/01/modern-common-lisp-on-linux/ is nice too 20:13:08 entrix_ [~entrix@95-28-33-196.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 20:15:32 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@212-106-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:17:57 Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:18:41 -!- mburke [~max@S0106000c41f2f3de.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:18:55 mburke [~max@S0106000c41f2f3de.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 20:23:27 -!- yates [c05e5c0e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.94.92.14] has quit [] 20:24:20 snearch [~snearch@e178059086.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 20:26:41 -!- gensym [~user@dslc-082-082-103-174.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:28:13 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@h178-129-85-135.dyn.bashtel.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31:12 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:24 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 20:31:52 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:32:59 Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #lisp 20:36:18 Younder [~john@135.236.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 20:36:25 hi again 20:38:49 phax_ [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 20:39:01 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:39:04 Which image processing library would you suggest to use to load an image, and change pixels matching some RGB value to some other value? 20:39:16 (and save it back) 20:39:41 antoszka: opticl (it uses some other quicklispable stuff as type-specific backends) 20:39:55 akovalenko: Thx. 20:40:23 -!- phax_ [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20:42:15 kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #lisp 20:44:50 deepfire [~deepfire@80.92.100.69] has joined #lisp 20:45:22 Kron [~Kron@69.166.20.134] has joined #lisp 20:45:48 -!- Kron is now known as Guest75092 20:46:12 pnq [~nick@AC812A0A.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 20:46:29 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.20.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:49:21 Odin- [~sbkhh@212-106-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is] has joined #lisp 20:54:50 zmyrgel [~user@hoasb-ff0cdd00-22.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 20:55:55 -!- zophy [~zophy@host-5-150-220-24.midco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:57:21 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 20:57:34 c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 20:57:37 -!- yati [~chatzilla@122.163.20.202] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 7.0.1/20110930134807]] 21:00:03 yati [~chatzilla@122.163.20.202] has joined #lisp 21:02:30 Xach: That tutorial was great :) I have SBCL, SLIME and Emacs running together just like lispbox :) Maybe it doesn't belong here, but how do you get emacs to automatically add a closing paren? 21:02:44 -!- snearch [~snearch@e178059086.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:03:10 yati: checkout paredit-mode 21:03:33 yati: I use paredit. It takes some practice but I found it well worth the initial effort to learn. 21:04:05 yati: otherwise you can use M-(, I think. 21:04:25 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-133-76.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:04:26 umm.. how do I use it? 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Because the macro should -> special form, but not vice versa. 22:48:49 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:48:49 Anyway, having it outside the scope of (symbolp (car form)) is *definitely* a bug. 22:49:07 I think the macro-function bit was dead code. 22:49:14 I'm not sure but I believe there was discussion or this on the list before or here 22:49:21 ah 22:49:26 that could be (: 22:49:46 at any rate, I'd very much like if this change came with a test ((-O 22:51:01 one I can try on other impls (-; 22:53:17 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@79.Red-88-7-134.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 22:54:09 marsell [~marsell@120.18.134.195] has joined #lisp 22:54:10 -!- marsell [~marsell@120.18.134.195] has quit [Client Quit] 23:00:18 how can I ensure a loop will run once 23:00:40 -!- MoALTz [~no@178.182.111.8.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:01:02 leo2007 [~leo@123.123.251.229] has joined #lisp 23:01:10 Guthur: exactly once? that sounds like a progn 23:01:30 I have a condition where sometimes I want exactly once and others to loop 23:01:55 I could possibly solve it during expansion time, a little undecided on that 23:02:55 I suppose I could use a tagbody 23:02:59 -!- Kvaks [~kvaks@139.158.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:24 actually that is what I will do in the time being 23:04:09 chturne [~charles@2.26.61.36] has joined #lisp 23:04:55 troussan [~user@c-24-245-13-197.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:09:09 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:10:52 pnq [~nick@ACA226CD.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 23:10:53 Guthur: (return ...)? 23:11:45 derrrrrrrida 23:12:54 not sure how return would work 23:13:11 oh yeah I see 23:13:36 umm maybe, I decided on a tagbody and actually resolved thinks at expansion time 23:13:43 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:14:07 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-178-002-115-026.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: humhum] 23:15:02 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.123.251.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:15:06 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@79.Red-88-7-134.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 23:16:03 leo2007 [~leo@123.123.251.229] has joined #lisp 23:16:41 LiamH [~healy@pool-74-96-10-77.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:19:39 -!- troussan [~user@c-24-245-13-197.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:02 -!- EarlGray^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:22 EarlGray^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 23:21:10 -!- steevy [~steevy@91-67-42-157-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: quit?] 23:21:21 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:32:33 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.79.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:33:39 lemoinem [~swoog@132-85-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has joined #lisp 23:34:06 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:36:23 -!- nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p57AD6D2E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:36:57 yoklov [~yoklov@24-177-5-183.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #lisp 23:38:23 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-139-212.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:46:29 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-18ba42eb.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:47:19 phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 23:47:29 -!- phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 23:47:29 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 23:47:51 -!- jleija [~jleija@50.8.10.126] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:52:43 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.112.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:53:05 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 23:53:53 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-133-76.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:56:05 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]