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It's probably better than fortran77 or C. 00:37:14 what about python? 00:37:38 I'm thinking about doing some artificial intelligence in regards to music composition, and I'm trying to experiment with different langs. 00:38:37 lisp is the mirror of a lang it seems to me... 00:44:01 codelurker [~codelurke@c-65-96-208-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:44:38 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-80-1.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:46:08 -!- codelurker [~codelurke@c-65-96-208-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:46:39 replore [~replore@ntkngw298122.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 00:47:47 kennyd [~kennyd@78-1-135-34.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 00:51:02 -!- rswarbrick [~rswarbric@cl-1290.lon-02.gb.sixxs.net] has quit [Quit: Toodle doo!] 00:51:40 -!- replore [~replore@ntkngw298122.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:53:02 homie [~Brucio-39@xdsl-78-35-167-170.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 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seconds] 02:16:11 how would I load something into clisp? (a source file) 02:16:28 (load "/path/to/source.lisp") 02:16:53 homie: ah, thanks. 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03:09:54 are they in Elisp? 03:10:20 oh, Happy New Year! 03:11:21 yates: symbols are case sensitive 03:11:25 yates: symbol names may have mixed case. the reader upcases unescaped symbols by default. 03:11:29 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:11:30 but the default is for the reader to convert everything to upper case 03:12:08 Cosman246 [~cosman246@c-50-135-152-107.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:12:37 NihilistDandy [~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:15:42 replore [~replore@ntkngw298122.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 03:15:52 i see - thanks. 03:17:02 waveman [~tim@203-214-39-56.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 03:19:17 CaZe_ [~CaZe@unaffiliated/y354c] has joined #lisp 03:19:36 -!- CaZe [~CaZe@unaffiliated/y354c] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:19:41 -!- CaZe_ is now known as CaZe 03:19:43 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@72.19.54.21] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:20:06 teggi [~teggi@113.172.61.228] has joined #lisp 03:20:18 -!- replore [~replore@ntkngw298122.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:22:20 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A46C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:22:47 -!- ddp [~ddp@216.243.111.165] has quit [Quit: ddp] 03:23:52 bchi [~bc@cpe-173-093-254-029.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:29:29 -!- yates [~yates@rrcs-97-79-165-138.sw.biz.rr.com] has left #lisp 03:30:41 z` [~zmv@186.204.156.99] has joined #lisp 03:32:59 nicdev [~user@c-76-24-21-219.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:33:20 -!- zmv [~zmv@186.204.156.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:37:48 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@72.19.54.21] has joined #lisp 03:38:32 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@xdsl-77-86-196-131.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:39:11 junglecai [~grovecai@123.117.180.130] has joined #lisp 03:40:58 -!- mmmmd [~tasty@adsl-76-254-6-25.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:41:09 mmmmd [~tasty@adsl-76-254-6-25.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:41:57 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.154.145] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:42:41 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.154.145] has joined #lisp 03:48:10 zzach1 [~zzach@dslb-188-109-039-196.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 03:48:16 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.122.89] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 03:49:32 -!- zzach [~zzach@dslb-178-009-254-168.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:53:07 -!- nicdev [~user@c-76-24-21-219.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:54:40 tcr [~tcr@95-88-46-7-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 03:54:44 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-122-89.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:02:29 leth [~user@fsf/member/leth] has joined #lisp 04:03:37 how would i best get the result from an mathematical binary operation done on two values in a vector? 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I don't see why this function doesn't work: http://pastie.org/3105448 (my own implementation of 'map'). I'm using CLISP. 05:44:00 You need funcall. 05:44:21 xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.195] has joined #lisp 05:44:35 Bike: what's that? 05:44:40 f is not a function, so you have to use funcall to call the variable. (funcall f (car l)) 05:44:48 replore [~replore@ntkngw298122.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 05:45:18 Bike: why is f not a function? Ah, I see. So this isn't like scheme. 05:45:43 Yes, it's one of the easiest differences to see. Functions and variables (not sure about the terms) are in different namespaces. 05:45:56 Bike: thanks. 05:46:17 poincare101: your function is not like cl:map, it's like cl:mapcar, but it should accept several lists. 05:46:36 edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 05:46:40 poincare101: cl:map takes a result type, a function and one or more sequences (lists or vectors). 05:46:57 pjb: Ah, i see. 05:47:24 See also http://www.nhplace.com/kent/Papers/Technical-Issues.html 05:47:29 This still doesn't work: http://pastie.org/3105457 05:48:01 namespaces again. To get the function called f, use (function f) (or #'f for short), not just f. 05:48:49 dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:49:08 -!- replore [~replore@ntkngw298122.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:49:52 Bike: so, do I still have to use funcall? 05:50:52 yes. I'm not explaining this well. When you defun "f", the f symbol is bound in the functional namespace, not the variable namespace, like let would do. 05:51:32 pjb's link looks like a good explanation. 05:51:37 Still not working: http://pastie.org/3105471 05:51:53 oh wait 05:52:01 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 05:52:20 in the mapas function, f is a variable bound to a function. In the call to mapas, f is unbound as a variable. Isn't your implementation telling you that? 05:52:51 YES Got it! 05:52:56 thanks a lot :) 05:53:11 I still feel like a newb (and common lisp suddenly seems a lot less elegant than scheme...) 05:54:19 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-54-239.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 05:55:21 poincare101, because it is 05:57:23 poincare101, there's something called scm2cl 05:58:01 the paper goes over the reasoning somewhat 06:01:57 -!- chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:03:27 Is there some way to do partial application to functions so that I can write a function that takes any function and gives a new function that always gives a value squared of the previous function? 06:04:16 Alexandria has currying functions, or you could just write them yourself. If I understood you. 06:05:44 Bike: what do you mean write them myself? 06:06:03 replore [~replore@ntkngw298122.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 06:06:20 poincare: It's relatively straight-forward given lexical closures. 06:06:31 Zhivago: hm... 06:06:44 I feel suddenly happier with scheme and haskell. 06:07:03 Then you're delusional, since scheme is the same as CL in this regard. 06:07:34 you want f(g) = h, such that h(x) = (g(x))²? 06:07:41 zenlunatic [~justin@c-68-48-40-231.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:07:52 Zhivago, modulo the funcalling in (lambda (x) (funcall f (funcall g x))) dealio 06:07:54 ddp [~ddp@216.243.111.165] has joined #lisp 06:08:17 Bike: yes. 06:08:35 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:09:38 sylecn [~sylecn@207.7.149.23] has joined #lisp 06:09:51 that's pretty trivial to write, yeah. Just use lambdas. 06:10:01 Bike: okay, thanks. 06:10:29 -!- replore [~replore@ntkngw298122.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:11:07 :w 06:11:10 oops. 06:11:55 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-216-154.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 06:13:57 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-54-239.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:18:14 poincare101: (null list) tests whether list is nil. (endp list) tests whether list is the empty list. 06:18:32 the difference is that endp signals an error if the argument is not a list (or cons null). 06:18:46 I'm suddenly producing helpful, working code. I love lisp! 06:19:16 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:22:38 poincare101: (lambda (g) (lambda (x) (let ((y (funcall g x))) (* y y)))) 06:27:22 replore [~replore@ntkngw298122.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 06:28:49 -!- NihilistDandy [~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 06:30:53 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:30:59 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:32:13 -!- replore [~replore@ntkngw298122.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:32:13 -!- X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:33:28 CrazyWoods [~crazywood@120.42.102.185] has joined #lisp 06:33:30 ontheeasiestway [~ontheeasi@114.249.25.185] has joined #lisp 06:38:04 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 06:38:26 chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 06:41:12 dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 06:41:28 -!- azurelysium [~androirc@121.157.225.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 253 seconds] 06:41:51 -!- poincare101 [~Dhaivat_P@CPE-65-27-96-82.new.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:41:59 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 06:43:08 leo2007 [~leo@123.114.37.7] has joined #lisp 06:43:23 -!- Vivitron [~user@pool-173-48-170-228.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:48:40 replore [~replore@ntkngw298122.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 06:49:45 azurelysium [~androirc@203.226.203.137] has joined #lisp 06:50:29 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.154.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:51:41 -!- [SLB] [~balthasar@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: [ Close the World, Open the nExt ]] 06:52:09 dtw [~dtw@62.237.32.210] has joined #lisp 06:52:51 tcr [~tcr@95-88-46-7-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 06:52:56 -!- replore [~replore@ntkngw298122.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:52:57 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-88-46-7-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:53:03 tcr [~tcr@95-88-46-7-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 06:53:41 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-216-154.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:57:24 otakutomo [~otakutomo@zaq771a4b1b.zaq.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 06:58:49 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-71-18.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:01:08 peterhil [~peterhil@xdsl-77-86-196-131.nebulazone.fi] has joined #lisp 07:02:42 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@CPE0013f7c06a42-CM0013f7c06a3e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Kron awayyy!] 07:03:51 wbooze_ [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-144-226.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 07:04:14 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-167-170.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:04:59 -!- homie [~Brucio-39@xdsl-78-35-167-170.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:09:57 replore_ [~replore@ntkngw298122.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 07:12:29 -!- pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:14:19 -!- replore_ [~replore@ntkngw298122.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:17:06 -!- chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:17:55 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 07:19:47 -!- ddp [~ddp@216.243.111.165] has quit [Quit: ddp] 07:23:55 -!- azurelysium [~androirc@203.226.203.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:26:25 kami` [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has joined #lisp 07:26:36 -!- kami` is now known as kami 07:27:44 Good morning. 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a > date b 11:54:40 Guthur, do you know the built in functions GET-UNIVERSAL-TIME, {ENCODE, DECODE}-UNIVERSAL-TIME? 11:55:19 did not think they would work 11:55:58 Guthur, it won't parse the date string you have above 11:56:01 Guthur: There's two problems here. One is dealing with the "date a > date b" problem. For that, universal times will be fine. The other is parsing the string. 11:56:02 oh, yeah but I will have to do the leg work of extracting the days etx 11:56:11 Yep, exactly. 11:56:33 Are they in RFC 2822 format? 11:56:37 (I think that's the number) 11:56:54 rfc 822 11:56:57 you were close 11:57:01 Heh. 11:57:16 Maybe there is already a library that reads them? 11:57:17 isn't 2822 the updated version of 822? 11:57:26 Yep! Just looked. 11:57:35 maybe, but RSS only specifies RFC822 11:57:38 "This standard supersedes the one specified in Request For 11:57:38 Comments (RFC) 822, "Standard for the Format of ARPA Internet Text 11:57:38 Messages", updating it to reflect current practice and incorporating 11:57:38 incremental changes that were specified in other RFCs." 11:57:47 (sorry - I didn't realise that was so long!) 11:58:50 Guthur, http://common-lisp.net/project/local-time/ 11:58:50 ah well, it will just have to be simple matter of programming around the problem 11:59:17 Quadrescence: oh, cheers, I will check that out 12:00:01 Modius [~user@cpe-70-123-128-240.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:00:24 http://common-lisp.net/project/local-time/manual.html#Parsing-and-Formatting 12:00:24 add^_ [~add^_^@h26n1c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 12:01:25 akovalenko: In the Win32/"wreck" test, The "server" in my test failed at 34 hours (I left it running) with the 1165 build. Are there any other diagnostics I can do? 12:01:42 akovalenko: By failed, I mean locked up 12:03:24 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 12:04:02 -!- wbooze_ is now known as wbooze 12:12:42 pjb- [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 12:13:44 Modius: is that locked-up instance still available? If yes, what happens on Ctrl+C (i.e. does it drop to the debugger successfully? does it "unlock" when the debugger is entered?) 12:18:12 nha [~prefect@p3E9E3247.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:18:18 -!- chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:19:27 homie [~Brucio-39@xdsl-78-35-144-226.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:21:14 hi 12:23:57 hello 12:24:03 benny [~benny@i577A7642.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 12:26:35 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ifAa2uQH 12:29:56 what is it? 12:30:03 looks like a mutant KKK member 12:32:13 dlowe: do you maintain local-time? 12:35:21 drwho [~drwho@c-68-81-125-196.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:36:37 It's hideous! 12:37:52 akovalenko: Ctrl+C doesn't do anything, it's fully locked up. In my experiments, I've done (loop for i from 0 do (progn (print i) (sleep 1))) 12:38:16 akovalenko: In most of the prior failures, it's been total lockup not break out to ldb 12:38:43 Modius try C-c C-c 12:39:12 akovalenko: BTW - this is running SBCL 64 from the command line. . . . 12:39:59 Modius: btw, did you ever see 1165 breaking out into ldb? (to my knowledge, this absolutely shouldn't happen, but I don't yet understand how the lockup can happen, too) 12:40:09 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 12:40:54 akovalenko: No, only lockup. Thing is, though, the tests are VERY long-running. 12:41:34 akovalenko: Most of the problems I'd been reporting were freeze not break-out, I'd assumed they were related as your changes have been pushing it back in time. 12:43:59 lazybone_ [~yukiy@220.167.39.196] has joined #lisp 12:46:33 -!- pjb- [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:50:20 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:52:34 I know I am missing the bleedin' obvious here but...how does one get the value of a text node in CXML 12:54:35 ah nvm 12:54:37 -!- junglecai [~grovecai@123.117.180.130] has quit [] 12:56:56 -!- trumae [~trumae@189.83.28.213] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:57:48 hagish [~hagish@p5DCBED9A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:08:32 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:08:48 EarlGray^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 13:13:55 CaZe_ [~CaZe@unaffiliated/y354c] has joined #lisp 13:14:55 -!- CaZe [~CaZe@unaffiliated/y354c] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:14:55 -!- CaZe_ is now known as CaZe 13:15:08 zanahorio [~hahehihoh@206.235.27.77.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 13:18:51 does anyone have a working email address for daniel barlow? 13:21:34 I would expect dan@telent.net to work 13:21:58 LiamH [~healy@pool-96-241-99-101.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:22:02 (but I do not have recent evidence that it does) 13:23:43 -!- lazybone_ [~yukiy@220.167.39.196] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:26:15 Kryztof: thanks! 13:26:58 vervic [~vervic@vie-91-186-155-147.dsl.sil.at] has joined #lisp 13:29:33 -!- sylecn [~sylecn@49.79.194.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:33:58 -!- zanahorio [~hahehihoh@206.235.27.77.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Quit: Chao] 13:34:37 is there a string split func in CL 13:35:09 there's a split-sequence library in quicklisp 13:35:34 that might do the trick 13:35:35 pjb- [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 13:35:42 cheers, m0prl 13:41:43 -!- Salamander_ is now known as Salamander 13:43:58 split-sequence:split-sequence 13:45:28 yep, that done the trick nicely 13:45:49 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:47:57 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-96-241-99-101.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:49:26 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.154.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:52:03 -!- CrazyThinker [~CrazyThin@unaffiliated/crazythinker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:52:15 CrazyThinker [~CrazyThin@unaffiliated/crazythinker] has joined #lisp 13:52:46 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 13:55:16 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181138064.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 13:56:40 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-162-253.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:57:06 -!- sellout is now known as Guest73061 13:57:46 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:59:45 -!- Guest73061 is now known as sellout- 14:00:02 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-162-253.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:01:11 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-162-253.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:05:35 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.154.41] has joined #lisp 14:08:12 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Bacteria] 14:10:04 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 14:12:54 ivan-kan` [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 14:13:31 Guthur: yep 14:14:13 Guthur: There's a split function in cl-ppcre, too 14:15:53 -!- hagish [~hagish@p5DCBED9A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:16:03 Guthur: more like, I'm the lazy slacker who maintains local-time 14:16:21 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:16:32 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:19:19 LiamH [~healy@pool-96-241-99-101.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:19:57 dlowe: does it only parse rfc3339 timestrings 14:20:12 Snaffu [~Snaffu@oh-69-34-16-39.sta.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 14:20:14 Guthur: that's correct 14:20:34 cheers 14:22:06 I might use that cl-ppcre suggestion 14:22:06 Guthur: net-telent-date has a more flexible parser 14:22:14 -!- JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Exeunt IRC] 14:22:32 mainly because it is already a dependency of a lib I am using 14:22:32 or you could munge your input string into rfc3339 14:22:52 I will have a look at net-telent-date 14:23:02 Guthur: cl-ppcre's split is also a lot more flexible 14:23:19 e.g. (re:split "\\s" str) 14:25:58 cool, net-telent-date worked 14:26:00 cheers dlowe 14:26:24 it has a weird package name, using . instead of - 14:26:31 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 14:27:01 gaidal [~gaidal@223.198.253.87] has joined #lisp 14:27:33 -!- Mandus [~aasmundo@oro.simula.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:34:51 Guthur, I follow the convention of using . instead of - for structs and classes, which clearly was inherited from C and friends. 14:37:14 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.182.158] has joined #lisp 14:40:41 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.154.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:41:59 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 14:46:00 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-231-253.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 14:46:20 kilon_alios [~kilon@athedsl-400683.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 14:46:37 (max 2 50) 14:46:51 _8david [~user@port-92-195-61-79.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 14:47:13 oops... sorry wrong window :^) 14:48:00 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-155.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:48:29 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-384434.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:48:46 <_8david> Where does cl.net store the cvsroot these days? It looks to me like the viewvc web interface does not show the contents of /project/$project/cvsroot anymore, but rather some different location. 14:48:53 -!- nha [~prefect@p3E9E3247.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:51:11 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-231-253.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:52:16 <_8david> OK, I just found /var/lib/cvsroots, which is basically a linkfarm to /project/$project/cvsroot. But the project I'm looking at doesn't have a symlink there and still shows something. 14:53:21 zophy [~zophy@host-5-150-220-24.midco.net] has joined #lisp 14:54:49 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 14:55:47 <_8david> argh, never mind. It's actually a svn project even though the website refers to CVS. Mystery solved. 14:56:37 There are still open source projects using SVN and CVS? 14:58:03 otakutomo [~otakutomo@zaq771a4b1b.zaq.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:59:02 -!- otakutomo [~otakutomo@zaq771a4b1b.zaq.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:22 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.154.41] has joined #lisp 15:01:29 -!- xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.195] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02:03 -!- ivan-kan` [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:05 jjkola [~jjkola@xdsl-83-150-83-66.nebulazone.fi] has joined #lisp 15:02:54 Joreji [~thomas@ip-213-135-245-76.static.luxdsl.pt.lu] has joined #lisp 15:07:30 otakutomo [~otakutomo@zaq771a4b1b.zaq.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:09:52 The elisp-style indenting in today's lisptip confused me for a bit. Couldn't figure out why it was in a LOOP. 15:10:44 Guthur: but - is overloaded, since it serves as space in multi-word identifiers. That's a good reason to use . to separate identifiers. 15:12:38 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@h26n1c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Quit: add^_] 15:13:00 -!- tomaw [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 15:13:01 pjb: don't often see it in CL packages 15:13:31 tomaw [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has joined #lisp 15:13:58 using drakma I get a type error when trying to make a request to the following url. http://finance.yahoo.com/d/quotes.csv?s=BAO.L+EOG.L&f=sl1 15:14:52 oh never mind 15:14:59 my mistake 15:15:52 Guthur: It's becoming more common as the number of systems grows  prevents collisions. Like in Java and Erlang, it's just convention (Unlike the actual hierarchy with C++'s ::). 15:16:09 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.182.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:18:06 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.154.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:20:49 Guthur: some lisps have support for hierarchical packages in reader 15:21:23 and relative packages (this one I think I like even better 15:21:24 ) 15:21:46 p_l|backup: Really? Which ones? That's pretty cool. 15:21:56 I was thinking the same 15:22:23 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@223.198.253.87] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:22:45 sellout: Allegro has hierarchical packages, and there is code to add them (in compatible way) to some other lisps, I think LW (not sure if it works with 6.x) and maybe CMU and CLISP 15:23:22 relative packages is a thing from Genera extensions to CL, but they should be relatively easy to implement) 15:30:40 -!- pjb- [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:32:28 dtw [dtw@dsl-roibrasgw1-fe84fb00-215.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 15:33:14 re that drakma query earlier 15:33:32 the response I get seems to be either corrupt or I am converting it wrong 15:34:33 I get a octet sequence when I try (flex:octets-to-string seq) I something that is not correct, ie. it is not the same as I get when I download via the browser 15:34:42 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37:16 I've tried :utf8 as the external-format kwarg but it still not correct 15:40:36 I don't care much about relative packages. I just wish we had package-local nicknames for other packages. 15:40:54 here is the code http://paste.lisp.org/display/126809 15:41:38 then we could manage potential collisions at the collision point 15:44:01 Guthur: I don't know what's going on, but notice that this is much shorter than what you get with wget too.... 15:44:08 like (defpackage my-package (:use (#:local-time :as #:lt) (#:cl-ppcre :as :regex))) 15:44:46 rswarbrick: yep definitely something missing, it should be 2 lines with a stock symbol and pric 15:44:52 (:import (local-time::now :as current-time)) 15:45:05 Ah, I think it's to do with the transfer encoding. 15:45:09 -!- _8david [~user@port-92-195-61-79.dynamic.qsc.de] has left #lisp 15:45:25 If you look carefully, you'll see that the " is encoded with %2b 15:46:42 yes, but there still seems to some missing data 15:47:14 fortitudeZDY [~user@123.125.236.136] has joined #lisp 15:47:36 Hmm. Haven't worked that one out yet. 15:49:08 and the symbols are appearing next to each other 15:49:20 poincare101 [~Dhaivat_P@CPE-65-27-96-82.new.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:49:38 should be "BAO.L",/n"EOG.L", 15:49:52 -!- vervic [~vervic@vie-91-186-155-147.dsl.sil.at] has quit [Quit: vervic] 15:50:32 -!- katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:51:17 See the wireshark logs I've just added as an annotation. 15:52:09 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 15:52:09 I wonder if it's the keep-alive? 15:52:13 katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has joined #lisp 15:53:31 ah ha 15:53:37 it's my query string 15:54:25 drakma is replacing the + joiner for the symbols 15:54:31 Ah! 15:54:53 cheers for the wireshark annotate 15:54:58 invaluable 15:55:05 not to solve the issue 15:55:09 now* 15:55:20 I recommend it as a "what the hell???!!!" tool :-) 15:56:36 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 16:00:47 -!- saeftl [cbauerm@pestilenz.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:02:31 jleija [~jleija@50.8.10.126] has joined #lisp 16:04:47 -!- Cosman246 [~cosman246@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:05:44 -!- fortitudeZDY [~user@123.125.236.136] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:05:57 ejbs [~user@d83-183-51-82.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 16:08:15 Hi everyone. I'm having trouble with this piece of code: http://pastie.org/3107425 I keep getting this error in clisp: http://pastie.org/3107430 16:08:39 We'd prefer you use http://paste.lisp.org/ There, you can make annotations. 16:08:46 Oh, sorry. 16:08:48 Also, this is not a minimal exampel. 16:08:52 *le 16:09:01 for some reason, paste.lisp.org keeps giving me a blank submit page. 16:09:07 The problem is with the reader making sense of the text you've given it. 16:09:16 poincare101: so, what word don't you understand in the error message? 16:09:18 rswarbrick: I don't know where the problem is occurring -at all-, so, I can't really minimalize it. 16:09:26 poincare101: use emacs 16:09:29 poincare101: You shouldn't write your parens like that, all ending parens should be on one line! 16:09:30 poincare101: M-x check-parens RET 16:09:31 Delete (or comment out) most of the example and try to recompile. Then you can bisect to find it. 16:09:41 poincare101: which would be needless if you used paredit in emacs. 16:09:47 The answers above are more specific, and helpful :-) 16:09:49 pjb: okay. 16:10:00 ejbs: I thought it would be a bit more readable... 16:10:12 poincare101: use (load "yourfile.lisp" :verbose t :print t) 16:10:26 pjb: I'll try it 16:10:38 poincare101: It's not really, you don't really read the parens in Lisp, only the indentation. 16:10:51 poincare101: but again, if you used emacs+paredit, you wouldn't have this problem in the first place. 16:11:37 (and even without paredit, the mistake would be blindingly obvious because the indentation would get buggered up) 16:11:45 pjb: It loads them just fine now. 16:11:50 There. 16:12:10 What does that command mean? 16:12:17 What command? 16:12:31 (load 'fun.lisp' :verbose t :print t) 16:12:39 Type: M-x common-lisp-hyperspec RET load RET 16:12:41 poincare101: Also, function names should utilize - and not _ :) 16:12:47 is there any sensible reason why drakma should be replacing #\+ in the uri with %252B 16:12:52 ejbs: okay. 16:13:08 Guthur: + means space in uris. 16:13:15 pjb: in emacs? 16:13:19 poincare101: yes. 16:13:26 pjb: yep but puri complains with a I use a space 16:13:37 with a/if 16:14:02 Yes it's better to use + or %20 instead of spaces. 16:14:19 Guthur: Can't you pass Drakma the PURI objcet? 16:14:22 *ect 16:14:25 So if you want to put a +, you must put %2B 16:14:31 pjb: gives me "[no match]" 16:15:04 poincare101: you don't have a well configured/installed system. You need to install the hyperspec and configure emacs to find it. 16:15:05 the other 'dirty' option is (setf puri::*STRICT-PARSE* nil) 16:15:17 pjb: okay, I'll try that 16:15:25 then puri doesn't care if I use a space seperator 16:16:00 -!- teggi [~teggi@113.172.61.228] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:16:04 this work around will do for now 16:16:08 cheers all 16:17:15 poincare101: I also put (global-set-key (kbd "C-h y") 'common-lisp-hyperspec) in ~/.emacs so I can just type C-h y load RET 16:18:18 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 16:20:08 CaZe_ [~CaZe@unaffiliated/y354c] has joined #lisp 16:20:24 -!- CaZe [~CaZe@unaffiliated/y354c] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:20:28 -!- CaZe_ is now known as CaZe 16:20:57 Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:21:00 pjb: can I just get SLIME? 16:21:07 poincare101: sure. 16:21:19 emacs+paredit+slime is the recommended lisp IDE. 16:23:39 pjb: okay, thanks.' 16:27:06 ngz [~user@23.78.199.77.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 16:27:58 pjb, are you working on any projects 16:31:03 Quadrescence: not right now. 16:31:10 I should, but I don't. 16:32:53 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-155.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:34:54 nialo [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 16:35:21 CrazyWoods [~crazywood@222.79.78.148] has joined #lisp 16:37:17 (setq var2 (/ 2 10)) 16:37:35 -!- Snaffu [~Snaffu@oh-69-34-16-39.sta.embarqhsd.net] has left #lisp 16:42:25 => 0.2 16:42:33 (oh, sorry. In fact 1/5) 16:42:34 Wrong. 1/5 16:42:34 => 1/5 16:42:43 Just made it :-) 16:47:05 -!- gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:51:53 kami` [~user@p5DDCD75C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:51:59 -!- kami` [~user@p5DDCD75C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:51:59 kami` [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has joined #lisp 16:52:42 Good evening 16:52:52 -!- kami` is now known as kami 16:57:10 lolsuper_ [~super_@pool-173-65-194-148.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:57:10 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@pool-173-65-194-148.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:57:10 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 16:57:54 gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 16:58:07 -!- kami [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:59:20 pjb, how might you architect a program which pretty-prints mathematical expressions either as ascii characters or as a bitmap? (I only assume you have seen some typeset math before) 17:00:44 kami [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has joined #lisp 17:01:07 -!- zhangkaizhao [~zhangkaiz@27.47.13.251] has quit [Quit: ] 17:01:10 I'd use two phases, one to compute the position of the glyphs, and one to draw them. 17:02:15 -!- gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:03:38 -!- kilon_alios [~kilon@athedsl-400683.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:04:08 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-383954.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 17:05:52 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-155.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:07:39 -!- z` is now known as zmv 17:09:03 Yuuhi [benni@p5483A45E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:09:37 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 17:09:57 Hi all. 17:10:10 Where should I start from, in order to learn Lisp? 17:10:22 http://cliki.net/ 17:10:47 Notice the "Getting started" link. 17:12:54 Thanks. 17:17:44 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-47-050.cascadeaccess.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:19:49 -!- kami [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:21:14 -!- Phoodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:21:30 Phoodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 17:23:39 ddp [~ddp@216.243.111.165] has joined #lisp 17:24:00 -!- ddp [~ddp@216.243.111.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:24:19 ddp [~ddp@anon-159-62.relakks.com] has joined #lisp 17:26:47 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:29:04 is it easy to implement a lisp? i want to know the kernel of lisp 17:29:19 Yes. 17:29:49 CrazyWoods: http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/small-cl-pgms/aim-8/aim-8.aim-8 17:29:58 I mean http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/small-cl-pgms/aim-8/ 17:30:24 Now of course, modern lisps are more complex, but still... 17:30:37 CrazyWoods: for further details, read LiSP. 17:30:47 http://pagesperso-systeme.lip6.fr/Christian.Queinnec/WWW/LiSP.html 17:31:10 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 17:31:21 pjb, the link you paste use lisp to implement a lisp? 17:31:34 CrazyWoods: yes. 17:31:40 Usually lisp is implemented in lisp. 17:31:51 It was the first language for which it was the case that X was implemented in X. 17:32:03 But nowadays, it's the usual case. 17:32:12 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-122-89.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:32:48 pjb, so is it easy to use other language to implement a simple version lisp 17:33:00 Easy enough, yes. 17:33:13 The first lisp was implemented in assembler, actually. 17:33:51 CrazyWoods: but it's easier to use lisp to implement languages. 17:34:17 pjb, i am try to understand the way lisp work 17:34:45 Well, first learn the language, then read the CLHS. 17:35:44 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:35:58 You can also read some implementations. Clozure CL (ccl) is a nice one to read. sbcl is a sophisticated implementation. Both are written in CL. If you want to read an implementation written in C, try clisp (good luck!). 17:36:11 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-47-050.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 17:36:33 pjb, thank you 17:36:40 pjb, how long do you use lisp? 17:36:55 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 17:36:59 more than 15 years. 17:37:34 when will we get lispjb 17:37:51 In a few years hopefully: -) 17:38:09 pjb, are there other language are you good at? 17:38:20 I learned a lot of programming languages. 17:39:27 pjb, which one do you like best? 17:39:39 Common Lisp. 17:41:56 pjb, have you using Common Lisp to do some project? 17:42:01 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 17:42:08 CrazyWoods: yes. 17:42:21 yoklov [~yoklov@24-177-5-183.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #lisp 17:42:34 I've been using CL for all my programs since 2000. 17:44:16 osa1 [~sinan@78.179.136.173] has joined #lisp 17:44:58 thats a long time 17:45:04 professionaly too ? 17:45:22 I try, but it's not always the case. 17:45:32 pjb, for business? 17:45:37 Sometimes. 17:45:49 which CL ? 17:46:00 what gui toolkit do you use, or do you rarely/never write gui programs? 17:46:08 I've used about all implementations. 17:46:16 yoklov: Cocoa. 17:46:23 I see. 17:46:35 Or X directly. 17:47:52 how easy is sbcls FFI to interface with objc libraries ? 17:48:15 ^ (or any implementation you use for doing that) 17:48:18 I didn't try it with sbcl. But anyways, I'd do it with CFFI, so it'd work the same in all implementations. 17:48:31 In ccl, it's bundled. 17:48:32 kilon: as easy as calling objc from C. 17:48:44 Easier actually. 17:50:32 0-0 17:51:04 excuse my hesitance, SDL have been quite painful with CCL though it seems to work ok with sbcl 17:52:35 glad to know it works so well, more reason for me to try it 17:52:57 bchi [~bji@cpe-173-093-254-029.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:53:42 is there a way to read from a usocket in a non-blocking way or should I use threading? 17:54:10 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:54:29 osa1: with iolib you can do non-blocking I/O. 17:56:39 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-155.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:53 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-155.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:58:09 Bike [~Glossina@71-38-159-153.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:00:12 airolson 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19:02:39 bchi_ [~bji@cpe-173-093-254-029.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:03:00 -!- bchi [~bji@cpe-173-093-254-029.sc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:04:03 Cosman246 [~cosman246@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 19:04:31 how would I check if a certain element is present in a lisp? 19:04:34 *list 19:04:45 Fixed: how would I check if a certain element is present in a list? 19:05:06 member 19:07:41 stassats: thanks. 19:09:50 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 19:12:38 it's said that lisp is a programable program, right? 19:12:51 no 19:12:51 how do you get read to read beyond a space in say "Hello there" 19:12:56 -!- osa1 [~sinan@78.179.136.173] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:13:10 wbooze: you use READ-LINE 19:13:11 read just returns me the first, hello 19:13:15 oh 19:13:18 or read-char 19:13:24 ikki [~ikki@189.247.121.76] has joined #lisp 19:13:30 but just don't use READ 19:13:34 nah read-char returns me all as char 19:14:00 wbooze: that's correct 19:14:03 #\h #\e #\l #\l #o or so 19:15:28 i think i'll have to read much on strings and streams....bleeehhh 19:15:34 eheh 19:15:45 what problems do you have? 19:15:55 well no problems, just exercising 19:16:21 the first problem is that (read) goes into a loop 19:16:34 in emacs unitil i stop it with C-g first 19:16:46 then i can put an 'a or so to return it for me 19:16:56 don't use READ, ever, unless you want to read lisp-code 19:17:50 ok then, can i get an integer value say for the string "abc" ? 19:18:05 char-code and char-int i know but .... 19:18:25 i tried to coerce that to an integer with nogo ofc 19:18:35 (parse-integer "abc" :radix 13) => 1845 19:18:40 oh 19:19:35 -!- brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:21:10 hmmm 19:21:14 weird 19:21:30 if i don't give the :radix keyword it tells me junk in string "abc" 19:21:49 yes, 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Quit] 21:52:30 you can manually connect, so that one is not soo bad, but when it comes to autoscroll.......meh 21:52:40 i have to scroll all tabs by my own 21:53:05 and it sucks 21:53:29 i can change the colors if i want, but not so easily as with emacs/erc 21:53:41 -!- jleija [~jleija@50.8.10.126] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:53:55 woodz [~wooodz@host109-150-39-20.range109-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 21:53:59 you have to find the application frame starter and put stuff in slots or alter i mean.... 21:54:17 and it's all wired it seems to other things .... 21:54:40 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:41 well more complicated then i thought actually 21:55:16 wait, i'll have a screenshot for you 21:56:34 sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has joined #lisp 21:58:00 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:58:31 http://picpaste.de/pics/Bildschirmfoto1-sr9H2JGa.1325454978.png 21:58:52 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:58:53 -!- cnl [~cnl@95.106.65.176] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:59:13 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483A45E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:59:50 hmm, it seems i cannot copy-paste 21:59:59 between apps and beirc 22:00:13 weird 22:00:14 hehe, sounding like it's more trouble that it's worth 22:00:22 does it actually have any upsides 22:00:39 did you have a look at the pic ? 22:00:47 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has joined #lisp 22:02:55 yep, the interface looks clean enough 22:03:14 yep, at the right resolution you see it's quite ok 22:03:44 I am on laptop here, so the image res is a little beyond what I have available 22:03:48 there's no key combos you can define yourself i think 22:06:08 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 22:07:04 it just worked once for auto-identifying to services and auto-connecting, just once.... 22:07:26 airolson [~airolson@CPE001ee502d0ac-CM0026f31ce49d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 22:07:28 the next time i couldn't join at all.... 22:07:44 jep, it has it's bugs or so, i don't know 22:10:51 -!- woodz [~wooodz@host109-150-39-20.range109-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 22:15:10 ayrnieu [~julian@50.15.104.42] has joined #lisp 22:15:22 I have this loop that i'm working on .. http://paste.lisp.org/display/126816 .. is there a way I could store the X and Y values corresponding to the minimized/maximized values? 22:16:34 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:45 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has joined #lisp 22:20:08 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-155.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:20:09 basically, I'm now getting the value of the minimized form when what I would like to get is the values that generated that result 22:20:17 you don't even have a min_y or max_y there 22:20:49 oops, i modified because I realized I only needed the x's, forgot to remove that from the cons though :D 22:21:00 ok 22:21:06 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-155.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 22:21:12 i was wondering 22:21:50 http://paste.lisp.org/display/126816#1 ;) 22:22:09 -!- pnq [~nick@AC81050A.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:23:40 i don't get what you mean you already stored min_x max_x not ? 22:23:42 I think you can :minimize (progn (setf corresponding-x) (- ...)), but that seems like a bad way to do it 22:23:50 er, setf corresponding-x x 22:24:38 i thought about that, seemed kinda hairy indeed :D 22:25:19 er, wouldn't that still just keep clobbering the result and provide the last one though? 22:25:39 I don't understand what you mean? 22:26:06 if i setf in the minimize clause, that's going to run every time the minimize form gets run? 22:26:19 not just the time it finds the minimum 22:26:31 Oh, yeah, you're right. 22:27:12 wrap a let around the loop 22:27:14 I think you can do fancier minimization/etc. clauses with libraries like iterate. Or you could just write it yourself in a :do clause, I suppose. 22:27:24 and use the loops results in the let form maybe 22:27:58 so you can compose min_x , max_x ,x min_y, max_y, y or so 22:28:12 wait 22:28:21 if the loop ends it ends all 22:28:28 hrmm 22:28:49 capoerista [~capoerist@88.149.138.25] has joined #lisp 22:29:45 !list 22:29:47 -!- capoerista [~capoerist@88.149.138.25] has left #lisp 22:30:40 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-155.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:31:35 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-155.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 22:33:23 that has another meaning in german! 22:33:26 lol 22:33:45 with list and tücke! 22:34:43 jumped foxxy brown fox over a foxxy brown fox 22:34:48 lol 22:38:57 trigen [~trigen@ec2-46-51-179-218.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 22:39:28 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@79.Red-88-7-134.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 22:48:25 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:49:23 waveman [~tim@203-214-39-56.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 22:49:34 is the indentation of m-v-b values-form and destruct-bind expression a special slime rule? 22:49:55 I'd like a similar indentation structure for one of my macros 22:50:39 where the last form is indent slightly to the right in relation body, when it is on a new line 22:51:04 not sure if thats and adapt description, but I'm sure it's noticeable in code 22:52:49 so you want the last form if it's on a newline itself to be indented more ? 22:53:49 -!- zenlunatic [~justin@c-68-48-40-231.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:54:02 I know that marking forms &body rather than &rest changes the indent 22:54:20 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-155.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:54:21 See section 3.14 (really!) of the slime manual 22:55:55 homie the last form is the body 22:56:09 sergiolps [~sergiolps@187.111.91.119] has joined #lisp 22:56:20 is the one before that, let me see if lisp past helps 22:57:31 http://paste.lisp.org/display/126818 22:57:41 see the indentation of the second line 22:57:53 the '(1 2) 22:58:16 it is the same with m-v-b 22:59:14 vennys [~vennys@net-2-40-254-70.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #lisp 22:59:18 quek [~quek@h210-253-209-222.ms01.itscom.jp] has joined #lisp 22:59:43 ciao 23:00:10 \list 23:00:25 list 23:01:05 '(1 2)'s ' falls with ( of (+ xy) on the same column, and mine (+ x y)) seems then slightly to the right 23:01:18 but only when i use tab to indent it in the repl 23:01:45 pnq [~nick@ACA3063C.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 23:01:47 i may tab it 23:01:50 else when i copy-paste it's almost like on the paste site screen 23:02:17 I added an annotate of what I am wanting to achieve 23:02:30 add list 23:03:09 mine actually falls indented the way I pasted 23:03:13 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 23:04:57 undefined variable recv 23:04:59 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 23:06:10 sorry of course with-parallel-process is the macro I have made 23:06:11 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181138064.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 23:06:23 -!- vennys [~vennys@net-2-40-254-70.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [] 23:06:32 I just would like it to indent like m-v-b and go 23:07:24 it's a very superficial request though 23:08:17 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:08:46 homie: unless that "undefined variable recv" message is another quirk of beirc 23:08:49 hehe 23:09:35 setup indent for yourself 23:09:45 i mean M-x customize RET indent 23:10:03 i have standard indent 2 23:10:12 made tab always indent 23:10:27 set 0, 2, 4, 6.....120 as tab stops 23:10:36 and indent-tab-mode on 23:10:49 m4dnificent [~madnifice@static.146.73.9.176.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lisp 23:11:02 and your last form does not indent like you want here too 23:11:23 you'd have to write a custom hook function or so for it 23:11:24 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:26 vennys [vennys@net-2-40-254-70.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #lisp 23:11:36 -!- m4dnificent is now known as madnificent 23:11:49 but there's no hooks for indent in emacs actually not in 23.3 23:11:52 ciao a tutti 23:11:58 list 23:12:14 -!- am0c [~am0c@58.227.209.54] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:12:21 I thought SLIME had some custom indentation thing. 23:12:37 well slime might be different 23:12:52 i don't use it that often 23:13:29 -!- quek [~quek@h210-253-209-222.ms01.itscom.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:14:08 -!- vennys [vennys@net-2-40-254-70.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Client Quit] 23:15:56 looks like there's some information in the documentation for common-lisp-indent-function 23:16:31 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:16:37 am0c [~am0c@58.227.209.54] has joined #lisp 23:17:16 jep, that might be it 23:17:34 i don't see any difference in indentation whether slime non-slime .... 23:17:41 in emacs 23:17:54 but common-lisps internal one maybe the thing 23:22:05 I'll probably not spend too much time worrying about it 23:22:09 carlo_au [~carlo@ppp59-167-10-97.lns1.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 23:22:27 It's not likely to be a public facing API or anything 23:23:39 zenlunatic [~justin@c-68-48-40-231.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:26:29 there must be something special about m-v-b and d-b I don't see anything else indent that way 23:27:14 nope, can't tell that here 23:27:35 m-v-b and d-b didn't indent that differently either 23:27:50 they do here for me, and always have 23:27:55 i don't think them to be tailored to indent specially..... 23:28:00 I may have some fancy slime contrib 23:28:21 hmmm 23:29:15 i mean that, must be secondary .... 23:31:26 Snaffu [~Snaffu@oh-69-34-16-39.sta.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 23:34:12 oh found it 23:34:45 or rather the reason my macro wasn't exhibiting the behaviour 23:36:05 -!- edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:36:22 the reason seems to be that it was lining up with the opening parenthesis of the lambda list containing the send recv and worker count 23:36:58 if I don't have them as a list then the lambda function will indent the way I would like it too 23:37:08 probably being i liked the list, hehe 23:37:14 problem* 23:38:07 hmm, so it's an alignment issue rather 23:38:20 i don't have that alignment thing 23:38:25 -!- rswarbrick [~rswarbric@cl-1290.lon-02.gb.sixxs.net] has left #lisp 23:38:33 at least not for the lambda list of say defun or so 23:39:30 or any other form resembling it 23:39:36 -!- X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:41:10 -!- add^_ 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