00:00:51 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA2568B.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:01:10 That's a pretty big hash table. 00:01:32 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 00:02:07 -!- meta-coder [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:02:11 Does ccl use 32 bits for all characters? 00:03:04 i guess 00:03:04 -!- scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 00:03:59 -!- dl [~download@chpcwl01.hpc.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:04:06 but looks like its char-name database is incomplete 00:04:22 But how often, really, does anyone ask for a char-name? 00:04:48 -!- Kenjin_ [~josesanto@2.82.74.224] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 00:04:49 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@2.82.74.224] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 00:04:50 it doesn't know (char-name #\), but still, you can set up a hash-table cache for ordinary characters and a huffman database for the fancy ones 00:05:30 slyrus_ [~chatzilla@dsl081-060-042.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 00:05:35 whenever you do (princ char)? 00:05:45 err, prin1 00:05:58 Yeah, but how often is that? 00:06:00 -!- kami` [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:06:54 that needs to be calculated 00:09:30 scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has joined #lisp 00:09:44 -!- milanj [~milanj_@93-87-248-80.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:09:52 And I see that ccl prints it as #\u+2104. cmucl prints it as #\. No lookups necessary 00:10:22 and sbcl as #\CENTRE_LINE_SYMBOL 00:10:35 -!- dagda [~dagda_@np34.co.returnpath.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:10:42 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl21-74-224.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 00:10:42 Kenjin_ [~josesanto@bl21-74-224.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 00:10:50 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:12:27 *rtoyg_* likes the name being printed. 00:13:03 -!- tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:13:23 it's not probably not worth it, but case conversion and alpha-char-p/graphic-char-p/etc should provide a noticeable speed up 00:14:32 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 00:15:02 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:15:19 meta-coder [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 00:16:50 -!- Kenjin_ [~josesanto@bl21-74-224.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 00:16:50 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl21-74-224.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 00:18:40 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:18:57 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has joined #lisp 00:19:38 -!- tbatchelli- [~user@64.134.233.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:21:38 xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.1.50] has joined #lisp 00:21:51 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:21:51 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@infocalypse-net.info] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:21:52 -!- marsell [~marsell@120.18.134.151] has quit [Quit: marsell] 00:24:50 Nisstyre [~yours@infocalypse-net.info] has joined #lisp 00:25:04 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-113-242.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 00:25:19 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-113-242.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:26:15 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@dsl081-060-042.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:27:55 DaDaDosPrompt [~DaDaDosPr@75-163-225-197.clsp.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 00:28:46 *Xach* recently made some critical functionality depend on the contents of char-name for arabic letters 00:29:14 replore [~replore@203.152.213.161.static.zoot.jp] has joined #lisp 00:29:25 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-1-147.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:30:20 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Quit: o7] 00:30:36 How so? 00:31:44 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-138-219.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:34:09 Processing an Al-Jazeera feed? 00:37:54 -!- ASau [~user@95-27-186-234.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:38:20 -!- drdo [~user@85.207.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:38:51 Xach: you did something with arabic letters, and you're in the US! you must be a bomber! i'd start running if i were you. 00:39:14 ASau [~user@95-27-186-234.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 00:39:29 though it sounds like it was a dirty hack of some sorts 00:39:52 Triple dirty. I couldn't be bothered to look up the char-code range for arabic letters. 00:40:33 kennyd_ [~kennyd@78-1-183-145.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 00:40:34 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@78-1-141-158.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:41:05 madnificent: don't worry, the new law will go active and they no longer will need a reason to arrest anyone, anywhere. Except for the fact that foreign powers don't like people arresting anyone on their territories without permission ;) 00:44:12 -!- hq1 [~aerosol@unaffiliated/hq1] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:44:37 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 00:45:38 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:45:53 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 00:46:19 sacho_unreg [~sacho@87-126-187-170.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 00:46:27 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:47:26 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 00:49:21 -!- sacho_ [~sacho@87-126-187-170.btc-net.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:53:32 Xach: that's a tad cool again 00:54:44 p_l: 'the' new law? have i missed a proposed law, by accident? on foreign affairs: we'll see what balls the US has when they need to go get their toy airplane back :) 00:55:35 madnificent: nah, I want to see what happens when they try to arrest someone from outside and get fired upon. Preferably by local police and/or military 00:58:37 p_l: tee hee, just like foreign powers don't like NATO allies torturing people on their soil? 00:59:19 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:59:32 antifuchs: It's mainly "USA doing stuff on NATO allies territory that broke laws of said countries" 00:59:36 there was a lot of stink 00:59:59 centipedefarmer [~centipede@71-34-182-204.desm.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 01:00:37 anyway, extraordinary rendition is a done thing anyway. also, if they need somebody arrested somewhere civilized, they can just have the host country do it (-: 01:01:58 -!- wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:01 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:02:37 antifuchs: except that the home country will be reluctant to pass the prisoner, given last decade's excesses 01:02:55 let's keep wishing that, yes 01:03:01 anyway. back to the #lisp salt mines (: 01:03:04 lol 01:06:34 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has joined #lisp 01:07:47 -!- epsil [~vegard@ti0145a380-0200.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:09:16 we work the black seam together :| 01:10:32 Cosman246 [~cosman246@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 01:13:40 Kenjin_ [~josesanto@2.80.216.166] has joined #lisp 01:13:40 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-216-166.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 01:13:59 -!- Guthur [~user@212.183.128.43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:14:53 bwright [~bwright@c122-106-254-100.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 01:15:00 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 01:15:03 -!- bwright [~bwright@c122-106-254-100.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Client Quit] 01:16:04 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:23:25 -!- otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:23:43 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 01:24:05 -!- pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:24:37 -!- Kenjin_ [~josesanto@2.80.216.166] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 01:24:37 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-216-166.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 01:28:12 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has joined #lisp 01:29:46 abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has joined #lisp 01:31:37 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA01B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 01:33:46 mon_key [~user@unaffiliated/monkey/x-267253] has joined #lisp 01:34:42 drwho [~drwho@c-68-81-125-196.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:35:15 How does one change the truncation in *slime-inspector*? I have some long pathnames that I would like to see displayed in full without the ".." 01:42:15 hq1 [~aerosol@unaffiliated/hq1] has joined #lisp 01:45:44 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-162-253.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:46:07 -!- meta-coder [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:47:16 Bike [~Glossina@71-38-157-28.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 01:47:29 -!- rtoyg_ [~rtoyg@216.239.45.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:48:10 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:52:56 ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has joined #lisp 02:01:40 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128039045.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 02:01:47 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:03:12 -!- anvandare [~anvandare@78-21-55-16.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:03:38 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@219-91-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:04:05 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.88.203] has joined #lisp 02:06:44 -!- chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:10:18 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-162-253.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:11:32 -!- chenbing [~user@115.192.215.143] has left #lisp 02:15:17 ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has joined #lisp 02:19:36 -!- akovalenko [~akovalenk@95.73.111.228] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.0.92.1] 02:20:11 jmckitrick [~user@108-77-157-187.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:20:30 ravster [~user@67.69.17.122] has joined #lisp 02:20:33 Hello all 02:20:39 I'm working on what should be a simple macro, but I think my brain is fried... 02:20:59 I want to pass a lambda and a parameter list to hunchentoot's EASY-HANDLER 02:21:31 Actually, to another macro which wraps EASY-HANDLER. 02:21:57 pnq [~nick@ACA35634.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 02:22:14 Anyway, the end result needs to be a lambda form, with the args repeated at the end, because they are used by EASY-HANDLER for the url parameters. 02:22:16 So... 02:22:22 I'm having problems with a global variable in my program. I want to be able to reset the value of the global variable (Defined with a 'defparameter') from within a function. I'm trying to use 'setf' to re-make an empty array, but it isn't working. 02:23:00 I want (foo (alpha bravo charlie) &body) 02:23:43 to produce a lambda with (alpha bravo charlie) args AND that same list again, as if returned by VALUES. 02:24:00 -!- Evil_Piccolo [~Namek@ip-83-212-222-134.adsl.aueb.gr] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 02:24:02 ravster: setf will change the value of a variable. 02:24:08 ravster: are you getting an error? 02:26:01 jmckitrick: yes, it says that a random function in another file is having an error since it has nothing as an argument. that function is supposed to have the global array as an argument. 02:26:11 mathslinux [~user@119.255.44.227] has joined #lisp 02:26:14 -!- SegFaultAX|work [~mkbernard@173.228.45.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:27:29 ravster: this might be clearer if you show some of the code and error messages 02:27:38 I've used setf earlier to change various slots in the instances of a class that populate the array. But what I want to do now is to have a function that empties out the entire array, and a '(setf *array* 0)' is giving this issue 02:28:42 Xach: sure, the defparameter that used was '(defparameter *array* (make-array 4000 :fill-pointer 0 :adjustable t :element-type 'bar))', and I'm trying to use the exact same thing but a 'setf' to reset the array. 02:28:56 heidymadia [~saasten@fm-ip-61.247.42.167.fast.net.id] has joined #lisp 02:29:01 rtoyg_ [~rtoyg@24.130.4.105] has joined #lisp 02:29:09 http://paste.lisp.org/display/126485 02:29:21 ravster: 0 is not an array. 02:29:51 ravster: it is not an empty array, either. 02:30:13 So there is an example of working code. But it's ugly. I don't want the lambda arglist repeated. 02:30:16 ravster: you could reset the array by filling it with nil or something suitable and setting the fill pointer back to 0. 02:30:49 jmckitrick: what does the macro look like? 02:30:59 Is there a way to use VALUES in a macro to return both the lambda AND the arglist after it, which is passed right through to easy handler? 02:31:16 It passes the arg list right to easy handler. 02:31:21 But it big and ugly. 02:31:29 Paste it. 02:31:32 k 02:32:17 annotated. 02:32:40 Then one more part... 02:32:47 yeah, that is too complicated for me, sorry. 02:33:17 oh, wait, the following error message says that the function is called with no arguments, when it expects one, right ? < \n when called with arguments (0). \n [Condition of type SIMPLE-ERROR] >> 02:33:39 Xach: the big macro works fine. 02:33:41 ravster: no, that is not what it says. 02:34:06 jmckitrick: sure, but it's too hard for me to understand to help. 02:34:24 ravster: it says you called it with the value 0, and there are no methods that are applicable for that value. 02:34:43 Rats. ok, how about this, then. 02:35:15 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:35:20 Xach: okay. 02:35:36 I want to wrap a lambda in a macro that returns the lambda and the arglist. 02:35:53 Yuuhi` [benni@p5483DAE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 02:35:54 But as 'spliced' values, not as a list. 02:36:15 jmckitrick: macros take code and return code 02:36:25 -!- gaidal [gaidal@61.144.104.40] has quit [] 02:36:32 Yeah, I'm trying to do it a different way now... 02:36:56 ravster: why did you use 0 instead of an array? 02:37:27 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483A94C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:38:02 when i go the the REPL and re-evaluate the defparameter form, it works alright. It just gives issues when I try to copy the defparameter form inside a function, or I just change it to a setf form. I think I should do something like declaring it special or something. Does that make sense? 02:38:34 ravster: no. 02:39:11 ravster: what does the setf form look like? 02:39:31 Xach: (setf *array* (make-array 4000 :fill-pointer 0 :adjustable t :element-type 'bar)) 02:40:15 ravster: and what issue does that cause? 02:40:26 -!- jmckitrick [~user@108-77-157-187.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:40:43 if I don't have that line in the function, it just re-evaluates the datafile and tacks more objects to the end of the array (Which makes sense due to its :adjustable flag). 02:41:16 Just adding that one setf line in the function causes that error that I showed earlier. 02:41:27 ravster: I don't think so. 02:41:46 ravster: You showed two different setf forms. the first was (setf *array* 0). the error you got reflected a value of 0. 02:42:29 At first I thought that since I have the setf in the defun its not actually doing anything to the global *array*, but to a local *array*. 02:42:43 Incorrect. 02:43:08 It wouldn't do that unless you had a LET-binding of *array*. 02:43:34 if the name of one of the defun params is *array*, it creates a dynamic binding as well 02:44:18 Xach: yes, that was me just putting in a random small thing to see if that would make any difference . The error message is the same. 02:44:55 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 02:45:03 -!- Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has left #lisp 02:45:19 Xach, Phoodus: Alright. I didn't do either of those. this is weird. 02:45:24 you do know that setf'ing *array* to 0 replaces the value with the number 0, and discards the array, right? 02:45:34 so you'll no longer have an array stored there 02:45:36 Phoodus: yup 02:46:02 ok, you just mentioned "empties the array" before 02:46:27 but it does this even when i went to the repl and did the defparameter, and then tried refreshing the data. 02:47:01 Phoodus: yes, I tried a few different things. But right now in the code i just have a setf that makes a new array. 02:48:05 and you still get the same error message about the function getting parameters (0) and not knowing how to dispatch that? 02:49:29 yup 02:49:52 did you by chance forget to reload a .lisp file, so what's in memory is still the old stuff? 02:50:41 sometimes it's helpful to cycle lisp and reload all your files so that you don't have older definitions hanging around 02:51:59 plus, it validates that your code is actually complete, and not just working because of what you happened to do in the repl in the meantime 02:52:21 Sorry about the slow reply. Just tried that. No dice. Just to be clear, setf-ing the global symbol to a new array should work, right? I've not used a defun or let binding in this. 02:52:37 yes 02:52:55 so what's the value of *array* currently? 02:53:36 #() 02:53:46 empty array, right? 02:53:54 of rank = 1 02:55:12 tbatchelli [~user@c-71-198-214-67.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:55:22 when you run the code, something does (close-diff *array*)? 02:56:22 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 02:56:54 yup, that happens in the code of the refresh function about 5 steps after the re-initialization of the *array* 02:57:54 so you run it, get the error about arguments (0), then what's the new value of *array*? 02:58:08 DataLinkDroid [~David@1.146.141.27] has joined #lisp 02:58:13 -!- xcv [~xcv@dsl-225-28.hive.is] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:59:08 huh, its still empty! 02:59:19 it's still #()? 02:59:30 yup 03:00:03 oh boy. This is confusing me. 03:00:22 but I think you've just given me the best clue to this. Thanks, Phoodus 03:00:27 search for all the calls to close-diff 03:00:33 -!- saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA01B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:45 or, look at the backtrace during your error and see what's trying to call it 03:01:03 Phoodus: i will do that. Thanks again. 03:01:10 There could be another call to it somewhere else that's passing someting completely different 03:02:33 I'll look into that tomorrow morning. I can't do that tonight. Thanks again. :D 03:04:12 Phoodus: I'm just so happy that you pointed that out to me. I'll be able to sleep tonight. 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Is that all on windows, btw? 06:30:12 p_l: Yes, windows 06:30:34 p_l: But I think I fixed it at the right end - I'd be "slime-connect"ing to whatever's out there anyway. 06:30:51 It keeps the client agnostic. 06:32:11 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-163-109.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 06:33:33 to make it funnier, CRLF is the RFC standard for line-oriented network protocols 06:33:39 _pw_ [~user@125.34.55.235] has joined #lisp 06:35:06 jewel [~jewel@196.215.168.225] has joined #lisp 06:39:40 borkman [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 06:40:38 -!- pinterface [~pinterfac@173-20-55-85.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:41:40 alvis [~alvis@tx-184-5-64-92.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 06:41:54 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-byppgnkgtfnzhyxc] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:42:23 cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.194] has joined #lisp 06:42:47 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit 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conditions which possibly don't inherit from error 09:50:32 i want the handle these conditions with handler-case, and i don't want to land in the debugger 09:50:41 tabb0t [~tabb0t@117.216.77.20] has joined #lisp 09:50:58 how can i do that if i don't know the type of the raised condition? 09:51:27 is there some "generic" clause in handler-case to handle arbitrary types of conditions? 09:52:47 -!- wadexing [~wadexing@219.234.141.122] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:53:11 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 09:53:39 nonduality: t is the supertype of all other types 09:53:55 (if i may dare say it that way) 09:54:00 is condition a supertype of all conditions? 09:54:47 kennyd_: yes. 09:55:09 kennyd_: a condition becomes a condition by being of a subtype of condition. 09:55:58 nonduality: so kennyd is right, you can handle 'condition to catch all conditions thrown. 09:57:04 yers 09:57:05 like 09:57:08 a tetrahadron 09:57:12 right? 09:57:22 eat-a-kibble: please use complete sentences, type them on one line. thank you. 09:57:25 ok 09:57:40 yes, like..a tetrahardon which has three feet and a cusp. 09:57:48 each feet are dual.. 09:58:15 ..and the tetrahadron can be pushed over to put another pair of feet at the top..making three new legs.. 09:58:53 -!- otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:59:08 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 10:02:05 H4ns, kennyd_: thx 10:02:43 -!- replore_ [~replore@203.152.213.161.static.zoot.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04:29 staley [~staley@76.73.16.26] has joined #lisp 10:04:53 hi. is (declare (optimize speed)) the same as (declare (speed 3) (space 0) (debug 0) ..) ? 10:05:11 (declare (optimize (speed 3) .......) even 10:05:24 epsil [~vegard@ti0145a380-0200.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 10:10:03 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-155.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit 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aglenday [~aglenday@91.222.36.179] has joined #lisp 10:23:07 FWIW, i have (proclaim '(optimize (safety 3) (debug 3))) in my initfile 10:23:53 are proclaim/declaim that per file or image wide 10:23:59 are proclaim/declaim per file or image wide 10:24:16 staley: that's kind of a vague part in the spec 10:24:54 staley: also, if i cared about SPEED, i would not touch SPACE quality 10:25:07 staley: DEBUG yes 10:25:44 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-155.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:26:25 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-155.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:26:32 I see. I thought one should set all to 0 but speed for maximum speed 10:26:33 staley: i've used DECLAIM at the top of the file assuming it would apply to the file only; but then found out it's unspecified whether the effects of the declaration persist 10:27:28 does it persist or not in practice? are implementations consistent in regard to that 10:27:43 staley: if i'd go for speed, i'd use (declare (optimize (speed 3) (safety 1) (debug 1)) 10:27:43 -!- udzinari [90a0e235@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.160.226.53] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:28:16 staley: and IMO one should really think one million times before setting safety to 0 10:28:38 staley: the speed gain is not worth it 10:29:22 staley: check http://t-b-o-g.blogspot.com/2009/12/brians-brain-on-common-lisp-take-3.html /shameless-plug 10:29:45 great thank 10:29:48 thanks 10:31:02 daniel_ [~daniel@p50829AA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:31:12 -!- otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:31:25 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 10:32:30 -!- coyo [~unf@unaffiliated/bandu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:33:57 -!- daniel__ [~daniel@p5082AB49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:39:38 -!- am0c [~am0c@222.235.56.178] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:41:39 -!- Vivitron [~user@pool-173-48-170-228.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:42:05 -!- ayrnieu [~julian@50.15.104.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:42:52 -!- beslyrus [~Brucio-12@adsl-99-49-14-228.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:44:42 -!- X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:45:39 hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 10:47:42 ikki [~ikki@200.95.163.83] has joined #lisp 10:50:19 staley: what I do is have a macro (optimize-file) that expands to the declaim, and put that on the top of every file 10:50:34 then I can adjust a constant and recompile to set the project's optimization flags 10:50:58 I also have (unoptimize-body ...) which does a local declare to bring the flags back to safety for local use 10:51:09 whipping up a few macros is really worth the effort 10:52:51 if you optimize your code for speed please make it compile without warnings 10:53:05 if you give your code to other people, that is 10:54:03 X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #lisp 10:54:11 yes, I forgot to mention I also made a (slow-body ...) macro which muffles the optimization notes about its contents :) 10:55:17 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:55:44 I can't stand warnings/notes during compilation. To me, it means something's WRONG in my code that the compiler has to tell me something about it. 10:55:54 (yes, I know that's not really true, but to me it is) 10:56:32 to me it is hard to tell wether my code has warnings if the code my code depends on has tons of them 10:56:34 -!- mathslinux [~user@119.255.44.227] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:57:03 well, that's what the asdf cache is for. Their warnings show up once, then it doesn't bother recompiling that 3rd party crap again 10:57:56 if only that was true 10:58:19 just loading a library can cause gazillion warnings 10:58:24 over here it is. And we tend to poke into 3rd party source to eliminate a lot of notes 10:58:45 warnings or notes? 10:59:06 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-ddwyrpitfrybuxrg] has joined #lisp 11:00:56 lbc [~quassel@h198.natout.aau.dk] has joined #lisp 11:09:00 cyrillos [~cyrill@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru] has joined #lisp 11:09:25 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 11:11:03 Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has joined #lisp 11:12:14 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:14:55 -!- tabb0t [~tabb0t@117.216.77.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:17:51 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 11:20:03 Phoodus so in practice is declaim file wide or image wide? or does it vary with implementation 11:20:10 I'm not sure how to check 11:23:19 optimize and compare disassemblies? 11:23:40 I mean is there a way to check current optimization levels 11:23:51 compare disassemblies. 11:23:57 no 11:24:12 dca [~user@178-16-156-18.obit.ru] 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[~tristan@lvps176-28-16-172.dedicated.hosteurope.de] has joined #lisp 12:34:53 staley [~staley@76.73.16.26] has joined #lisp 12:35:02 hello again 12:36:01 -!- CaZe [~CaZe@unaffiliated/y354c] has quit [] 12:36:10 (let ((list (list))) (loop for i from 0 to 3 do (pushnew (cons 10 i) list)) list) 12:36:45 is there something like pushnew that will return ((10 . 3)) above 12:37:14 why are you using pushnew there? 12:37:39 also, variables without explicit initializers are initialized to nil, if you didn't know 12:37:56 CaZe [~CaZe@unaffiliated/y354c] has joined #lisp 12:38:32 I want pushnew, that'll push only if key doesn't already exist 12:38:40 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-230-163.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 12:38:49 is there a built in function like that? 12:40:15 Evil_Piccolo [~Namek@83.212.223.15] has joined #lisp 12:40:24 staley: newly created cons cells are not EQL to any other object. 12:40:46 pushnew will never fail to add it to the list. 12:41:01 yes i know pushnew doesn't work. I tested it then posted the code in here 12:41:29 pushnew works just fine; you're misusing it 12:42:28 did you not understand my question? 12:42:37 I don't really care about your question. 12:42:50 you care about nitpicking and arguing 12:42:57 if you like. 12:43:07 -!- evenson` [~evenson@213.33.70.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:46:47 ThePawnBreak [~quassel@94.177.108.25] has joined #lisp 12:48:16 staley: Use a :test argument. 12:49:56 -!- bga [bga@fr6.freebnc.net] has left #lisp 12:50:11 ah it has :test. I guess I shouldn't rely on declarations that slime echos, it just showed (pushnew value place &rest) 12:50:26 thanks 12:50:41 make a habit of referring to the CLHS. 12:50:51 it's handy for things like that 12:51:11 gaidal [gaidal@219.136.212.242] has joined #lisp 12:51:33 staley: What implementation? Some have more useful arglists than others. Mine says (pushnew obj place &rest keys &key key test test-not) 12:51:45 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-218-0-98.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:52:20 oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-218-0-98.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 12:53:03 I am swapping between CCL and SBCL, on CCL now 12:56:44 chenbing [~user@115.192.215.143] has joined #lisp 12:59:22 urandom__ [~user@ip-92-50-99-150.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 13:00:23 |3b|: thanks for :descriptions! 13:00:47 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.1.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:01:40 -!- naryl [~weechat@188.134.95.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:02:16 pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has joined #lisp 13:03:29 naryl [~weechat@188.134.95.93] has joined #lisp 13:08:13 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@176.222.153.11] has joined #lisp 13:08:13 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:08:33 -!- lbc [~quassel@h198.natout.aau.dk] has quit 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[~johnstore@adsl-99-39-151-16.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Nodding off now.] 14:26:04 so for new stuff that isn't built on allegroCL hunchentoot is the way to go (look like they do mostly similar things) or just live with what is in paserv because it's still working? 14:26:10 l 14:26:22 -!- snearch [~snearch@e178117179.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 14:26:40 kilon [~thekilon@178.59.17.196] has joined #lisp 14:27:37 -!- staley [~staley@76.73.16.26] has quit [Quit: quit] 14:28:35 I would probably use hunchentoot, personally. I never tried paserve. 14:29:31 killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 14:30:13 -!- pnq [~nick@AC8101EC.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:31:49 meta-coder [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 14:33:19 dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 14:34:17 pnq [~nick@AC8101EC.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 14:35:35 -!- lbc [~quassel@h198.natout.aau.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:39:47 -!- pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:40:11 lbc [~quassel@h198.natout.aau.dk] has joined #lisp 14:43:08 -!- alvis [~alvis@tx-184-5-64-92.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:43:42 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:45:34 ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 14:47:03 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-191-57.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:50:07 Indecipherable_ [~IceChat7@41.11.242.43] has joined #lisp 14:50:14 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:50:22 -!- Indecipherable_ [~IceChat7@41.11.242.43] has quit [Client Quit] 14:52:25 -!- kpal [~kpal@janus-nat-128-240-225-120.ncl.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:52:45 -!- lbc [~quassel@h198.natout.aau.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:53:06 lbc [~quassel@h198.natout.aau.dk] has joined #lisp 14:53:10 -!- lbc [~quassel@h198.natout.aau.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:53:47 -!- pnq [~nick@AC8101EC.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:55:02 pnq [~nick@AC8101EC.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 14:56:09 pnathan [~Adium@98.145.116.190] has joined #lisp 14:56:16 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-230-163.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56:31 ramkrsna_ [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-bvrhvuinngcyezzs] has joined #lisp 14:56:42 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:59:39 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-230-163.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:00:28 nyef [~nyef@c-174-63-105-188.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:00:41 G'morning all. 15:01:26 alvis [~alvis@tx-184-5-64-92.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 15:01:56 TheAnswerIs42_ [c72bb1fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.199.43.177.254] has joined #lisp 15:02:43 MarkBouchkevitch [c72bb1fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.199.43.177.254] has joined #lisp 15:02:46 my name is mark bouchkevitch 15:02:53 from saga 15:02:54 oooooooooo 15:02:59 MarkBouchkevitch: Go away. 15:03:14 no speak english 15:03:16 *Xach* gets to use mapcon for the first time, and uses (mapcar 'ldiff ...) for the first time too. 15:03:24 MarkBouchkevitch: Don't speak English somewhere else. 15:03:24 please don't fill this IRC with unessary details 15:03:32 what is this irc about 15:03:34 and wat is irc 15:03:40 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Xach 15:03:42 -!- Xach has set mode +b *!*c72bb1fe@*.199.43.177.254 15:03:45 -!- Xach has set mode -o Xach 15:03:54 ilc is cool 15:04:08 jdz: say, would you consider adding :description to your .asds? 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15:35:00 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:36:40 chenbing: it's first time i hear about an effort like that 15:37:33 hmm, I found some bugs from old books in source-code, so I has this issue 15:38:17 Xach: with new sbcl, quicklisp works more successfully 15:39:16 Wonderful to hear 15:40:04 yep, the debian stable of sbcl is too ... 15:41:12 stable? 15:41:14 ;-) 15:41:42 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-230-163.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:42:05 -!- pnathan [~Adium@98.145.116.190] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:42:47 too old :- Don't laugh at my not compiling new source LOL 15:43:29 well it was pretty fresh back then ;-) 15:44:06 oh, you are the debian LOL 15:44:31 *loke* regularly pulls the latest sbcl from source and rebuilds and installs. It only takes a few minutes 15:45:02 I'd call that personal tast 15:45:43 loke: Lucky you. The machine I'm currently running a build on takes 50 minutes, and then I have to run the test suite. 15:45:55 nyef: what kind of machine is that? 15:46:10 A dual-core 800MHz G4. 15:46:26 oh 15:46:28 nyef: you can also use new binaries 15:46:34 I can see how that's slow 15:46:54 Just some minor mistakes when *man*.. 15:47:08 drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has joined #lisp 15:47:16 -!- otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:47:25 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:47:52 chenbing: Not when this is a pre-cursor to rebasing a branch and making sure it doesn't break anything important prior to possibly committing some changes upstream. 15:48:09 -!- otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:48:21 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:48:36 oh, diffcult english 15:48:51 lol, says chenbing 15:49:50 i was actually pondering whether it would be beneficial to learn some chinese before trying to figure out what chenbing says 15:49:57 in english 15:50:02 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-218-0-98.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:50:13 Done. it took about 5 minutes 15:50:14 -!- otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50:57 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:51:04 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 15:51:16 -!- otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:51:32 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:51:33 jdz: okay. seems like I only say English what I can understand only... 15:52:01 -!- otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:52:32 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:52:38 SeanTAllen [~SeanTAlle@rrcs-72-43-172-5.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:53:33 chenbing: i think i also can figure out what you're _trying to say_ after 3 or more readings of what you write 15:53:58 chenbing: but that might be just me and false agreement 15:54:03 -!- loke [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has left #lisp 15:54:08 -!- otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:54:08 Yeah... I'll try more accurate expression 15:54:10 loke [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 15:54:25 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:54:48 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 15:56:01 chenbing: is my feeling right that you are chinese (or japanese)? 15:56:23 oh. from a city near Shanghai 15:56:25 *loke* guesses chinese. chenbing does not sound japanese 15:57:30 yeah, but the sentence structure is kind of backwardish (from the european language perspective); could as well be japanese 15:57:37 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 15:58:24 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 15:59:08 :-) good-bye. It's late 15:59:26 -!- ikki [~ikki@200.95.163.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:59:33 not too late 16:00:09 tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.169.114] has joined #lisp 16:00:28 -!- Forty-3 [~kvirc@pool-96-255-130-204.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:01:10 -!- meta-coder [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:53 -!- kilon [~thekilon@178.59.17.196] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:02:06 hello, I'm writing bytes to a file byte-stream, is it possible to remove last two bytes before closing the stream ? 16:02:22 kiuma: Not really 16:02:25 kiuma: just don't write them? 16:02:27 kiuma: Simply don't write it :-) 16:02:46 is it was so simple I didn't ask :) 16:02:58 -!- otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:03:10 kiuma: well, the way the problem was stated it does not seem too complicated 16:03:14 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 16:03:20 kiuma: sb-posix:ftruncate might help. 16:03:31 Xach: ouch. that's fugly :-) 16:04:13 Xach, but I'll loose portability, I'll try with buffering solution 16:04:38 -!- pnq [~nick@AC8101EC.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:05:24 I re-gained spare time, and I'm again on my kuma http server (iolib based), I'm currently handling multipart-form data and I'm dealing with files 16:05:46 -!- pon1980 [~pon@195-67-88-105.customer.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:06:03 M^--boundary thing is complicating things a bit 16:06:40 *multippart/form-data :) 16:07:32 cl-mime and rfc2388 exist 16:07:36 -!- e-user [e-user@nat/nokia/x-tgwcrwicxoxunqmx] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:08:06 mensch [~mensch@c-67-189-241-178.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:08:40 -!- otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:08:58 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 16:09:47 -!- aerique [310225@xs8.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 16:10:43 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-20-84.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 16:12:33 except when rfc2388 was written there was not much support for bivalent streams (maybe allegro cl had it, but i'm not sure) 16:12:37 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-162-253.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:12:37 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-162-253.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:12:52 that's why there's also rfc2388-binary 16:13:22 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-162-253.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:13:29 sacho [~sacho@87-126-187-170.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 16:13:55 hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-112-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 16:15:12 Forty-3 [~kvirc@pool-96-255-130-204.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:15:48 ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has joined #lisp 16:17:08 H4ns, I know but I've no streams, I'm handling bytes 16:17:26 kiuma: Why do you care about portability? 16:18:21 kiuma: you are loading gigabyte files into memory? 16:18:39 I don't care very much in truth (at least for Windows), but I don't like to be too tight to OS 16:18:54 kiuma: and still you use iolib? 16:18:56 jdz, no of course 16:18:59 yes 16:19:17 kiuma: then what do you mean by "I've no streams, I'm handling bytes"? 16:20:06 -!- otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:18 it means that my workers work with byte not streams 16:20:19 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 16:22:27 i've accepted quite a while ago that i'll never understand everything 16:22:28 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:23:13 akovalenko [~akovalenk@77.51.3.220] has joined #lisp 16:23:39 kiuma: you could still use streams. 16:24:37 H4ns, I know, but not in the implementation I'm writing 16:25:12 When I'll have something acceptable and working I'll let you know. 16:25:40 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:25:52 kuma is just a complitely different approach, if not I'd use hunchentooth as I'm already doing 16:25:56 test__ [~user@81.213.179.7] has joined #lisp 16:26:07 ehu [~ehuels@109.33.229.203] has joined #lisp 16:28:48 -!- test__ [~user@81.213.179.7] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:21 Bike [~Glossina@71-214-99-52.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:30:05 Xach: xecto is like the merging of three unrelated second systems. 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scheme, but python 19:01:20 right ill just move to usa just to study lisp 19:01:25 -!- hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01:27 and not do an online group on irc 19:01:34 like buckminster fuller wants me to 19:01:35 .. 19:01:38 eat-a-kibble: "open courses" as in "look on the internet" 19:01:41 oh 19:01:47 i cant afford it anyway 19:02:00 well message me if any other newbie show up 19:02:04 eat-a-kibble: irc is fine for detailed questions ... for learning consult a book 19:02:06 tell them we can have a study group 19:02:08 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-247.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:02:11 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@85-250-121-124.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:02:15 yeah sure flip214 19:02:45 -!- Cosman246 [~cosman246@D-173-250-188-187.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:03:07 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit 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connection] 20:43:35 -!- ThePawnBreak [~quassel@94.177.108.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:44:04 waveman [~tim@203-214-39-56.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 20:46:13 jmckitrick [~user@108-77-157-187.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:46:27 Neban [~neban@130.Red-83-33-84.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:47:39 Having some macro issues. I want a macro called LAMBDA-BARF which will return the original lambda it wraps as-is, and also the lambda arglist, but as if from VALUES, not wrapped in a list. It has to handle empty arg list for the lambda, as well. 20:47:52 I can't seem to get anything to work. 20:48:44 I'm failing to understand the problem description. 20:49:04 Guthur [~user@212.183.128.227] has joined #lisp 20:49:38 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-247.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:50:30 (lambda-barf (lambda (foo bar) (format t "Args are: ~A ~A ~%" foo bar))) -> 20:50:38 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-247.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 20:50:50 (lambda (foo bar) (format t .....)) (foo bar) 20:51:28 cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.194] has joined #lisp 20:52:54 So... Something like (defmacro lambda-barf (fun) (let ((args-list (gensym))) `(lambda (&rest ,args-list) (apply ,fun ,args-list) (apply #'values ,args-list)))) ? 20:53:49 Hrm... Or is this more of a destructuring thing? 20:53:59 -!- GeanLuick is now known as elliottcable 20:55:09 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-247.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:55:15 Yeah, if this is destructuring, then it probably shouldn't be a macro, unless you want the result from evaluating the macro to be the values... 20:56:30 Hmm. I think that's close, actually. 20:57:06 I want the arglist from the lambda to be exactly as they are. Actually, I have an idea.... 20:57:16 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-409098.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 20:59:59 Basically, I have a wrapper around EASY-HANDLER in hunchentoot that let me pass in a lambda and the parameter list matching the URL parameters. I'd like to not repeat that argument list. That's pretty much it. 21:00:43 The arg list has to come last in the expression because of the macro it's being passed to. 21:01:33 Why a lambda, and not just say DEFINE-EASY-HANDLER ? 21:02:00 And I'll leave off the idea of not using EASY-HANDLERs in the first place. 21:02:23 Because it's part of a larger structure, that lets me define a REST resource, and the macro generates GET, PUT, POST, and DELETE handlers via DEFINE-EASY-HANDLER. 21:05:15 sorry, I should have clarified, I *do* use DEFINE-EASY-HANDLER. 21:05:19 I mis-typed. 21:07:40 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 21:08:45 eat-a-kibble: where are you stationed? 21:12:53 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 21:13:51 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [] 21:14:13 gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 21:15:29 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0ED3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 21:16:36 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 21:18:28 Cryotank2011 [~Cryotank2@c-24-17-62-152.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:18:49 Bike [~Glossina@71-214-99-52.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:19:07 -!- gkeith_lt [georgekeit@nat/google/x-kwaunvycubmukogs] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:21:39 LISP98753102934 [4636125c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.54.18.92] has joined #lisp 21:22:47 gkeith_lt [georgekeit@nat/google/x-zzbcthnzbffaqscd] has joined #lisp 21:23:00 -!- gkeith_lt [georgekeit@nat/google/x-zzbcthnzbffaqscd] has left #lisp 21:23:15 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 21:24:12 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:24:15 -!- mathrick__ [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:24:32 mathrick__ [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has joined #lisp 21:25:29 -!- LISP98753102934 [4636125c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.54.18.92] has quit [Client Quit] 21:25:40 Evil_Piccolo [~Namek@ip-83-212-223-15.adsl.aueb.gr] has joined #lisp 21:29:57 -!- jmckitrick [~user@108-77-157-187.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:57 gensym` [~user@dslc-082-082-103-174.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 21:34:28 -!- gniourf_gniourf [~Gniourf@2a01:e35:2433:3b90:222:41ff:fe23:8d8e] has quit [Quit: Hhhhheeeeeeellllllllpppppppppppppppppppppp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!] 21:35:26 hydo [~hydo@c-71-227-138-93.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:35:33 marsell [~marsell@120.18.131.247] has joined #lisp 21:36:10 -!- urandom__ [~user@ip-92-50-99-150.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36:36 rme [~rme@50.43.147.52] has joined #lisp 21:37:07 Noctifer [~Noctifer@89.204.130.209] has joined #lisp 21:38:27 -!- gensym` [~user@dslc-082-082-103-174.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:41:15 -!- tsuru` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-31-221.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:26 -!- hydo [~hydo@c-71-227-138-93.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: hydo] 21:43:50 -!- nyef [~nyef@c-174-63-105-188.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 21:45:54 k0i [~user@h-91-203.a146.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 21:51:30 how can i clear asdf's cache of system directories? 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Did anyone see a message about it? 22:52:50 It doesn't alway show up here. 22:52:51 No 22:53:06 I'll try the other link 22:53:35 SurlyFrog: ASSOC returns the matching cons, not simply the matching value. You can use that fact to distinguish between key not found and key found with a value of nil. 22:54:10 Oh, the confusion is about cdr, sorry. 22:54:19 Xach, yep 22:54:33 The paste is here: http://paste.lisp.org/+2PM0 22:55:00 It seems like an extra list is being wrapped around my data. Which is confusing me. 22:55:03 tsuru`` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-18-254.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 22:55:57 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:56:20 ASSOC doesn't really have anything to do with it. (CDR (CAR *FOO*)) yields the same thing. 22:56:27 -!- tsuru` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-31-221.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:57:28 SurlyFrog: the CDR of (A (1 2 3)) is certainly ((1 2 3)). You probably want (A . (1 2 3)). 22:57:36 SurlyFrog: CDR returns the tail of the list. 22:57:53 SurlyFrog: Try (cdr '(1 2)) 22:58:07 SurlyFrog: alists usually look like '((a . b) (c . d) ...) 22:58:24 SurlyFrog: note that (A . (1 2 3)) will print as (A 1 2 3) 22:58:32 this may be confusing, but is entirely correct. 22:58:47 -!- Neban [~neban@130.Red-83-33-84.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:58:55 the two forms are equivalent. 22:59:12 Taslem [40e9e315@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.233.227.21] has joined #lisp 22:59:26 Neban [~neban@130.Red-83-33-84.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:00:36 SurlyFrog: cdr has two interpretations. For a proper list, cdr is the tail of the list. For an assoc pair -- that is, (a . b) -- cdr is the second field, b. 23:00:48 Ralith: yeah, I checked that with an (eq ). So I got that. I guess, in my head, the (CDR '(1 (2 3 4)) is '(2 3 4). But, I guess there is a NILL hanging off the (2 3 4), thus turning it into a list. 23:00:49 In each case the data is the same. 23:01:04 ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has joined #lisp 23:01:33 Is there a version of print that will show you the NILs? 23:02:06 SurlyFrog: (1 (2 3 4)) is (cons 1 (cons (cons 2 (cons 3 (cons 4 nil))) nil)) 23:02:49 you could write your own fairly easily. 23:02:52 Also, for those wondering, I know that ALISTS are normally ( A . B ) this particular example is from Land of Lisp. 23:03:05 Which Lisp variant would you recommend? 23:03:08 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-409098.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:19 Taslem: this channel is about Common Lisp. Most of us would recommend that. 23:03:26 Okay. 23:03:29 Ralith: the (cons (cons ) explains it. I should have written it out like that first. Thanks 23:03:35 Do you have a recommended compiler/environment that runs on Windows? 23:03:40 hi 23:03:51 Taslem: I'd install Lisp Cabinet, and use the CCL version. 23:04:26 (it also includes SBCL, which compiles CL to faster code, but doesn't support win32 quite as well just yet) 23:04:49 Taslem: are you asking about Lisp dialect (Common Lisp, Scheme, Arc) or implementation (Franz Allegro, CLISP, LispWorks) 23:05:08 I was asking about dialect. 23:05:35 Is there a complete specification for Common Lisp? 23:05:38 Taslem: then Ralith's first response is probably correcct :-) 23:05:55 Taslem: Yes. It's usually referred to in the form of the Common Lisp HyperSpec. 23:06:02 i.e. the clhs 23:06:31 which is a very nice crossreferenced HTML version put out by the lispworks guys. 23:06:41 Taslem: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Front/ 23:07:06 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:07:22 Taslem: This is a good intro imho > http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ 23:07:33 Is there an organization by topic instead of by alphabet? 23:07:40 the CLHS includes that, yes. 23:08:01 While we are talking about the CLHS... is there a PDF or epub version of it? 23:08:03 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Front/Contents.htm 23:08:21 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: mstevens] 23:08:24 -!- marsell [~marsell@120.18.131.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:08:54 The hyperspec is more a reference source, I personal think it can be a bit heavy for a introduction to Common Lisp 23:09:33 it would be hilariously inappropriate for that, in fact 23:09:44 Neban: I have made an epub version of it, using the dpans2texi project 23:10:06 Neban: I'm not sure it's allowed to distribute the resulting document, so I haven't put it online 23:10:12 but it's easy to do it yourself. 23:10:45 antifuchs: thanks, I'll look for dpans2texi. 23:10:48 the workflow is: convert the last ansi draft to texinfo, use texi2html to generate html, then use an ebook authoring tool to create an epub 23:11:06 From an epub I can also convert it to PDF anyway. 23:11:32 took me half an afternoon, and I think with the right tool (I guess sigil would work best nowadays), you can cut the time by a lot 23:11:48 right - or you could just print the entire html document using a web browser (; 23:12:04 or convert the texi to pdf 23:12:07 antifuchs: as long as I can get the tex tools running on Windows, it's fine. 23:12:23 cygwin should have texinfo 23:12:26 I'll play with it to see what I can get. 23:12:30 good luck! 23:13:09 Thanks for your tips. :) 23:13:21 Taslem: Do you know any other programming Languages 23:13:29 Yeah. 23:13:41 I know a bit of C++ and Haskell, and lots of Java and Lua. 23:13:48 Oh and PHP 23:14:00 then PCL is probably a good place to start. 23:14:07 You shouldn't have much bother flying through PCL 23:14:13 antifuchs: the dmg installer for allegro still has gtk+ with it right? 23:14:33 Taslem: thats the Practical Common Lisp link I posted 23:14:39 I just wish my installer would fly into my computer. 23:14:59 felideon: there's a separate dmg you have to get for the gtk+ framework 23:15:16 I know the asics of Lisp, but when it gets into memory storage and such I get confused. 23:15:24 bubo [~bubo@93-82-19-31.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 23:15:24 antifuchs: oh? is that new? i thought it was an all-in-one package 23:15:29 felideon: http://franz.com/support/documentation/8.2/doc/installation.htm#macosx-install-gtk-3 has the details 23:15:31 maybe i mis remembered 23:15:47 you have to install gtk itself for os x in a certain way 23:16:10 yeah it used to be a pain in the ass 23:16:17 that used to be macports, but we switched to the framework approach recently (mostly because it doesn't involve you waiting an entire afternoon for the thing to build) (: 23:16:33 and then you created this marvelous package, but for some reason i thought it was just included in the allegro package 23:16:46 antifuchs: right 23:16:54 yeah - that's pretty silly. hopefully rectified when 9.0 is released 23:17:32 Comparatively, how fast is Lisp in compile/execution? 23:17:36 also silly: having to update allegro right after a fresh download/install :P 23:17:43 hah 23:17:47 agreed! 23:18:43 Taslem: this is very hard to quantify in general, but it generally compares quite well to languages of similar levels of abstraction. 23:19:00 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:19:22 Know of any non-personal large projects that have been made with Lisp? 23:19:25 SBCL can produce very efficient machine code when it can work out types (which you can help it do), though it does so slowly, while CCL performs the actual compilation very quickly 23:19:33 antifuchs: thank you kind sir 23:19:49 want me to send a support email so you can get credit? 23:19:51 lol 23:20:37 Taslem: http://www.pchristensen.com/blog/lisp-companies/ 23:21:04 Taslem: in particular, http://www.itasoftware.com/ is thought to be a good example. 23:21:04 haha, sounds good (-: 23:21:08 (less work for me! yay!) 23:21:09 Taslem: GIMP actually a Lisp as its scripting interface 23:21:31 as many major airlines rely on it for critical functions. 23:22:17 which is about as serious business as it gets, outside of the military or nuclear industries, I think. 23:24:06 Does anyone know what happened to beach's lisp coding style document? 23:24:28 I have a copy, but it is old and incomplete. 23:24:43 On that topic, what happened to beach? 23:25:49 Taslem: Instead of worrying about who is using lisp, figure out if using lisp gives you some kind of competitive advantage. 23:26:05 Oh, no, I was just curious. 23:26:46 Are plists unique to Common Lisp? Or are they in other dialects of Lisp too? 23:27:09 Taslem: elisp has them, just not natively (have to use the 'cl library) 23:27:24 you could build a plist in any language which can construct lists. 23:27:55 I meant native support for Common Lisp's syntax. 23:28:24 CL doesn't have a syntax for plists. 23:30:25 it has a syntax for lists, which can be used to construct plists or any number of other abstract structures. 23:31:00 plist are used within common lisp, though, so it is not wrong to say that cl supports them 23:32:50 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 23:33:22 We can think of types as being a meta-language whose purpose is to verify the language. We could additionally have a meta-meta-language to verify the meta-language. Is there anything like this in reality? A type checker for types? 23:34:02 I'm still thinking about the "forall" thing and how a higher-level language might be interesting in which we get forall for free. 23:34:03 I think there is an article related to CLOS that touches on this. 23:34:22 -!- snearch [~snearch@e178055185.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:34:29 Oops sorry wrong channel. 23:35:09 vrook: Still, I would recommend looking for references on the CLOS and MOP. 23:39:25 sacho [~sacho@87-126-187-170.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 23:39:31 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-247.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 23:42:13 -!- sacho_ [~sacho@87-126-187-170.btc-net.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:43:34 -!- hypesthesic [~president@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:45:24 -!- Taslem [40e9e315@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.233.227.21] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:48:10 -!- bubo [~bubo@93-82-19-31.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has left #lisp 23:49:35 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 23:50:23 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:50:41 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 23:51:39 -!- johnstorey [~johnstore@12.208.167.194] has quit [Quit: Nodding off now.] 23:52:51 pnq [~nick@ACA2511A.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 23:55:11 situ [~quassel@85.19.196.186] has joined #lisp 23:57:08 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.114.42.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]