00:00:13 kpreid [~kpreid@Riley14.price.clarkson.edu] has joined #lisp 00:01:02 -!- gidva is now known as coyo 00:01:11 gigamonkey: a manifest gifcast would be cool 00:02:35 zmv: paranoid reaction to paperwork 00:02:46 he's back now 00:02:55 I see. 00:03:02 as I guess you noticed? 00:03:33 the tl;dr of it was he interpreted someone offering help as some sort of attempt to place his rights to his own code into question 00:04:16 you two do realize he was here just a few minutes ago? 00:04:41 yes; you might have noticed that I mentioned that he's back. 00:04:52 yeah, I figure 00:05:17 zmv: due to privacy concerns, but he's back now! alive and kickin'! 00:05:35 antifuchs: yes, I do. 00:06:03 I was kinda scared when he cleaned up his twitter/github accounts. 00:06:29 "shi-, it's 'why the lucky stiff' all over again!" :P 00:06:33 well, he's alive at least. 00:07:55 anyway, the most appropriate person to explain this would be dto himself, but he just left. maybe you can ask him in person sometime! 00:15:03 Xach: what are you imagining. Just showing how to start it and point your browser at the URL? 00:15:31 gigamonkey: yeah. and a few clicks around to see the kind of things it can show. 00:15:48 How does one record a gifcast? 00:16:01 not without some pain 00:16:17 i use byzanz-record on linux with some manual crop & cleanup 00:16:41 -!- some_temp_usr [~user@d83-183-51-82.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:16:49 it would probably be easier to just do a straight up youtube video of some sort 00:16:57 but gifcasts do have a certain appeal 00:16:59 -!- jmckitrick [~user@108-77-157-187.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:18:15 I like videos for screencasts. having a person narrate the thing is nice. 00:18:51 -!- zmv [~zmv@186.204.122.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:19:24 If I did a narration for a tootcast it would be in Dr. Seuss rhyme 00:20:32 Xach: Youtube videos are also nicer to watch 00:20:42 (nicer to viewer, that is) 00:21:03 you can pause them! 00:21:04 unless there's some mystical JS standard to control GIF animation 00:21:08 and fullscreen (: 00:21:32 antifuchs: and see how much was loaded. they also have constant speed, not variable-depending-on-how-much-is-loaded 00:21:42 yeah 00:22:04 philistines 00:25:48 just to be sure in my interpretation of clhs, load-time-value will cause evaluation during loading a fasl, but if I then save-lisp-and-die and restart the core, it will not reevaluate the value then? 00:25:49 zmv [~zmv@186.204.122.203] has joined #lisp 00:26:38 yup. using a core file should restore the objects as if death had never happened. 00:27:01 So is there some easy screencast recording magic already on my OS X box? 00:27:01 lghtng`` [~user@c-71-193-21-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:27:15 gigamonkey: yes. QuickTime has a screen recording option. 00:27:23 jup, quicktime player does that. 00:27:39 ok. I'm calculating a delta between internal-real-time and universal-time to gain precision, but have to do that at program startup, so that'll be manual at hte core startup then 00:27:55 xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.12.61] has joined #lisp 00:28:03 gigamonkey: I found it helpful to log into a new account, set up a plain background, and reduce my resolution, to avoid visual clutter and tiny tiny text when viewed online. 00:28:25 Phoodus: sbcl has hooks for startup 00:28:28 Phoodus: there are hooks that run at core startup time, if that helps 00:28:30 Phoodus: those might work for you 00:28:40 -!- lghtng` [~user@c-71-193-21-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:28:44 As opposed to the pr0n you have as your default background, you mean. ;-) 00:28:58 astronomy pr0n maybe. 00:29:01 ponies. 00:29:39 replore_ [~replore@203.152.213.161.static.zoot.jp] has joined #lisp 00:30:37 Xach/antifuchs: cool, can you give me a hook name to google? 00:31:19 http://www.sbcl.org/manual/#Initialization-and-Exit-Hooks 00:31:34 thanks 00:31:45 (the keywords were "sbcl" and "manual" (-;) 00:31:49 And is there an easy way to add audio? Quicktime didn't seem to record any. 00:31:55 Guthur [~user@212.183.128.153] has joined #lisp 00:32:19 gigamonkey: there's an down-pointing arrow on the right hand side 00:32:25 gigamonkey: it lets you select a microphone 00:32:29 gigamonkey: it does. you might need to configure the input. 00:32:40 antifuchs: yeah, I was in the manual, but didn't see that exact section at first glance ;) 00:33:27 Ah, I see it now. 00:33:51 (and wow, this is pretty neat. I wish I'd tried the qt player thing before installing that horrid screencast recorder from the 2000s) 00:34:33 it's a recent-ish feature of quicktime 00:34:41 snow leopard-ish iirc 00:34:49 yeah, lion-only I'm thinking 00:35:03 either way, yay. 00:35:19 no, it was around before. i used it for my quicklisp prerelease screencasts 00:37:13 DaDaDosPrompt [~DaDaDosPr@75-163-225-197.clsp.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 00:37:16 ah, cool. Then I probably just wasn't aware of it before a while ago (: 00:39:38 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:39:58 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483B71B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:40:30 antifuchs: yeah, I don't have Lion. 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But if you don't want to risk a capture, yes, gensym or make-symbol are to be used. 04:41:06 just don't use make-symbol 04:41:19 Caputuring a name in a macro is more often done in local macro (macrolet) than global ones. 04:42:13 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:43:44 -!- drl__ [~lat@110.139.229.172] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:44:36 defpackage and wierd inside variable names is my simple solution,and sometimes using gensym I think 04:44:59 weird variable names don't help 04:48:16 I nod some . not friend to read is part of its side-efect 04:49:14 no, they can break, what if you use (macro ... (macro ....)) and they both use the same variables 04:49:39 chenbing: have a look at alexandria:once-only 04:50:04 chenbing: and alexandria:with-gensyms 04:50:10 and don't count on somebody else not outweirding you 04:51:14 I accept it ,stassats` 04:51:19 Shaftoe [~Moe111@modemcable037.54-22-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 04:51:30 ahoy mates. 04:52:01 can anyone answer this quandry: is setf'ing an *already* dynamically bound variable thread safe in sbcl? 04:52:32 yes (a binding is thread-local) 04:53:33 akovalenko: ok, I'm going to follow up with a trick question because that's what I Always assumed too. But you know that setf'ing a special variable outside of a dynamic scope is *not* thread safe, right? 04:53:54 -!- EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@190.244.19.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:53:56 i.e. it needs to be let bound before it can be setf'd. otherwise it's just a global 04:54:01 and the setf isn't thread local 04:54:19 yep 04:54:23 ok. great. 04:54:55 Shaftoe: it's possible to have a top-level TLS value with (setf (sb-thread:symbol-value-in-thread)), but it's unofficial and evil :) 04:55:18 oh my. that indeed does seem evil. 04:55:37 does sb-thread use actual posix tls? or does it have its own thread mechanism? 04:56:29 Shaftoe: it's never "one posix tls entry per variable" 04:56:53 sometimes, it's "one sbcl-specific posix tls key + one value per thread" 04:57:17 (the value being a pointer to a big chunk of memory with all thread-local data) 04:57:39 -!- mensch [~mensch@c-67-189-241-178.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:58:25 hmm. that sounds about right, although I do remember being burned once on a windows platform once - I believe... it was because there were two threading systems contending with each other. 04:58:34 and using the TLS of one with the other made you cry. 04:58:58 Windows? was it for SBCL, or unrelated ? :) 04:59:01 anyways. it wasn't cool then, and it's not cool now, so I won't even bother and try and remember what that was about. 04:59:17 There is no *native* pthread on windows, you know. 04:59:29 it was likely the fact that windows has a posix sub-system and a win32 sub-system 04:59:50 I think that's it right there: the posix sub-system used to give you pthread'ish things. 05:00:08 honestly, it's been so long I can't recall any of it, aside from that fact that it was jaw-droppingly ugly. 05:01:22 ..For unofficial threaded SBCL windows, subsitute TlsAlloc for posix tls in the above description. 05:02:21 ThePawnBreak [~quassel@94.177.108.25] has joined #lisp 05:04:14 -!- anvandare [~anvandare@dD5770A09.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:08:28 coyo [~unf@pool-71-164-238-90.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:08:28 -!- coyo [~unf@pool-71-164-238-90.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 05:08:28 coyo [~unf@unaffiliated/bandu] has joined #lisp 05:13:55 -!- mickbeaver [~none@avalanche.cs.wisc.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:18:59 -!- gko [~gko@27.243.155.236] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:23:24 anvandare [~anvandare@78-22-147-122.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 05:24:21 -!- teggi [148b9232@gateway/web/freenode/ip.20.139.146.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:27:36 janissary [~user@adsl-98-85-5-173.mco.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 05:28:48 gko [~gko@27.243.155.236] has joined #lisp 05:32:41 spike2251 [~user@c-76-24-24-228.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:35:35 -!- gko [~gko@27.243.155.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:36:38 gko [~gko@27.240.39.135] has joined #lisp 05:37:14 -!- jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.3.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:37:29 -!- kwertii [~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii] has quit [Quit: bye] 05:38:07 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:38:25 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has joined #lisp 05:38:47 jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.3.58] has joined #lisp 05:40:48 hmmm. how would I make it so that a variable I'm passing to a macro gets fed to the reader? 05:40:52 e.g. 05:41:35 it's already read 05:41:50 (defmacro foo (bar) `(,@bar)) giving me (foo '(1 2 3)) => '(1 2 3) 05:42:17 but if I do (foo `(1 ,(+ 1 1) 3)) => `(,1 ,(+ 1 1) 3) 05:42:23 whereas I'd want '(1 2 3) 05:42:25 -!- dys` is now known as dys 05:43:14 maybe this is a stupid question and I'm not realizing it. 05:43:35 why do you want to do that? 05:43:35 -!- dmiles_a3k [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-49-126.cascadeaccess.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:43:56 Shaftoe: it'll expand to that, but (foo `(,1 ,(+ 1 1) 3)) => (1 2 3) 05:44:46 stassats`: not sure I follow what you mean 05:45:00 and by the way, reader has nothing to do with this 05:45:22 the result of (foo `(,1 ,(+ 1 1) 3)) is (1 2 3) 05:45:38 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.111.6] has joined #lisp 05:45:54 hmm. I see now. 05:46:09 Shaftoe: passing quoted forms to a macro seems kind of suspicious 05:46:31 Cryotank2011 [~Cryotank2@c-24-17-62-152.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:46:37 try this: (foo `(,1 ,(+ 1 1) 3)) C-c C-m 05:46:39 not to me 05:46:52 Shaftoe: yes, it'll expand to `(,1 ,(+ 1 1) 3) 05:46:58 correct. 05:47:03 why don't you like it? 05:47:23 because I Want to manipulate that list in the macro itself. I don't want to have to wait until the form is compiled-evaluated 05:47:55 Shaftoe: again, why do you want to do this in the first place? 05:48:07 Ralith: let's say that the macro takes a list which is variables 05:48:31 Shaftoe: why would the list be quoted? 05:48:34 (foo (stream '(a b c)) ... forms) 05:48:38 Shaftoe: It doesn't. 05:48:49 Shaftoe: The macro takes source code. 05:49:04 Shaftoe: won't work, you can't evaluate at macro expansion time what can be only evaluated at run-time 05:49:05 Shaftoe: It's important to remeber this. 05:49:36 I'm not trying to conjure run-time data here. 05:49:39 I'm trying to do this: 05:50:00 let's say I have standard varaibles for standards things to do. and I make the lists be constants. 05:50:23 say my variable list is 100 items long. I wanna pass it +my-standard-variable-list-1+ 05:50:29 that don't work 05:50:32 Shaftoe: nope. 05:50:37 let's say I wanna combine two lists. that don't work either. 05:50:48 Shaftoe: then you don't want a macro. 05:50:57 zenlunatic [~justin@c-68-48-40-231.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:51:25 why's that? 05:51:56 Shaftoe: macros work with code, not values. 05:52:22 I need to stress before anyone gets excited here that I'm trying to cut down on my source code verbosity here. I'm not trying to conjure things that don't exist at compile time. 05:52:37 alright, so I need to write those parameters out one by one is what I'm hearing? 05:52:41 Shaftoe: then maybe you want read-time evaluation. 05:52:44 Shaftoe: you could accomplish something like this with #. but that's generally inadvisable 05:53:04 Shaftoe: really, it sounds like you have a common pattern you need to abstract out. Why don't you write a macro to do so? 05:53:47 can you describe exactly what you're trying to do? with a code paste, preferably 05:53:49 Ralith: can you elaborate on what the common pattern is? I'm already using a macro to abstract a common code pattern. 05:53:53 sure 05:54:04 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-66-63.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 05:54:12 Shaftoe: this "100 item variable list" or whatever it actually is, for starters. 05:54:28 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-66-63.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 05:55:00 if you're repeating yourself, you can abstract it out. 05:55:41 please hold on while I make the code sample. 05:58:23 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-251.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 05:59:53 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.181] has joined #lisp 06:00:59 teggi [148b9232@gateway/web/freenode/ip.20.139.146.50] has joined #lisp 06:02:02 dmiles_a3k [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-49-126.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 06:02:45 am0c [~am0c@180.224.41.126] has joined #lisp 06:04:23 ok. http://paste.lisp.org/display/126343 really really quickly simplified sample code 06:04:33 I'm sure it's missing some paranthesis here or there. 06:05:35 why are you quoting the values argument? 06:05:50 maybe you want ((name &optional values) &body forms) 06:05:54 blah. 06:05:59 I'm not. 06:06:02 that's a typo. 06:06:11 wait, I'll just re-type this. There's also another type. 06:06:14 please ignore for a second. 06:09:06 http://paste.lisp.org/display/126344 06:09:20 you should've annotated the existing paste instead 06:09:35 ah. sorry 06:09:40 keep that in mind the next time 06:09:45 will do 06:10:26 so pkhuong: if you were asking why I was passing quoted lists to the defpost, I don't have a specific answer for you. 06:10:38 åside from that's how it came about and it works 06:10:58 the idea here is that I have some survey'ish forms that have many many dozens of fields. 06:11:14 and some of those forms have overlap and I'd like to define those fields only once. 06:11:47 I don't really care, frankly. There's been a lot of useful tips in the last half hour. 06:11:59 especially because these lists that I'm using as definitions have the possibility of adding validators to them. (you can see part of the mechanism in the (if consp) 06:12:11 pkhuong: ok, thanks for your time anyways. 06:13:00 -!- H4ns [~user@p5B3D5095.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 06:13:02 stassats`: does this describe what I'm trying to do? 06:14:01 sorry, i can't wrap my head around it 06:15:22 k, thanks everyone. 06:15:24 i can only say something irrelevant: if you use alexandria you can use alexandria:ensure-car 06:16:23 heh. it is =) 06:16:31 but I appreciate the offer still. 06:17:17 (I'm assuming you are saying I could use that instead of the (if consp) idiom) 06:17:29 anyways, calling it a night, boss. thanks to everyone. 06:17:39 yes, instead of (if (consp i) (car i) i) 06:18:16 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 06:18:21 (yes, I am using alexandria, and I will add that code) 06:19:03 gensym` [~user@dslc-082-082-099-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 06:19:07 -!- Shaftoe 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[~user@c-76-24-24-228.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:51:22 jayne [~jayne@freenode/staff/jayne] has joined #lisp 07:51:27 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:52:26 hello,How can I import a lisp packages (e.g. Drakma) ? 07:52:27 -!- Kryztof [~user@77-58-246-74.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:53:07 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-184-144.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 07:54:55 chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-63-146.lns1.dea.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 07:55:18 (use-package :drakma) or (defpackage "MY-PACKAGE" (:use "CL" "DRAKMA")) 07:56:23 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:56:57 Vicfred [~Vicfred@189.143.75.217] has joined #lisp 07:57:12 You asked for package, not for components... 07:57:58 To load the components of a system, use (ql:quickload :drakma). 08:00:47 good morning 08:01:12 That's because you didn't load Quicklisp. Have a look at http://quicklisp.org/ 08:01:58 ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has joined #lisp 08:07:03 ehu [~ehuels@62.140.137.91] has joined #lisp 08:08:25 pon1980 [~pon@195-67-88-105.customer.telia.com] has joined #lisp 08:14:16 -!- H4ns [~user@p5B3D5095.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:14:49 -!- jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.3.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:15:14 Yes, it is. 08:16:50 -!- Vicfred [~Vicfred@189.143.75.217] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:20:50 kpal [~kpal@janus-nat-128-240-225-120.ncl.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 08:20:52 jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.3.58] has joined #lisp 08:22:57 insomnia1alt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has joined #lisp 08:25:52 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:25:53 -!- insomnia1alt is now known as insomniaSalt 08:26:47 aerique [310225@xs8.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 08:27:48 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@cpe-74-64-109-53.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [] 08:28:56 Kryztof [~user@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 08:29:49 peterhil [~peterhil@gw.maxisat.fi] has joined #lisp 08:32:27 -!- spike2251 [~user@c-76-24-24-228.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:33:01 KingNato_ [~patno@fw.polopoly.com] has joined #lisp 08:34:21 -!- KingNato [~patno@fw.polopoly.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:34:22 -!- KingNato_ is now known as KingNato 08:43:51 jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has joined #lisp 08:44:28 -!- PECCU is now known as peccu 08:44:29 -!- RomyEatsDrupal [~stickycak@ool-ade56134.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:44:29 -!- stickycake [~stickycak@ool-ade56134.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:44:55 jtza8 [~jtza8@41.56.8.172] has joined #lisp 08:45:54 stickycake [~stickycak@ool-ade56134.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 08:45:54 RomyEatsDrupal [~stickycak@ool-ade56134.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 08:46:00 -!- lonstein [lonstein@ohno.mrbill.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:46:26 -!- peccu is now known as PECCU 08:47:27 -!- Cryotank2011 [~Cryotank2@c-24-17-62-152.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Cryotank2011] 08:48:59 -!- stratobacker [~user@c-98-202-137-87.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:49:48 hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 08:50:41 -!- stickycake [~stickycak@ool-ade56134.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:50:50 stickycake [~stickycak@ool-ade56134.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 08:51:10 RomyEatsDrupal_ [~stickycak@ool-ade56134.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 08:51:22 -!- RomyEatsDrupal [~stickycak@ool-ade56134.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:51:23 -!- RomyEatsDrupal_ is now known as RomyEatsDrupal 08:54:15 -!- RomyEatsDrupal [~stickycak@ool-ade56134.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Client Quit] 08:54:31 RomyEatsDrupal [~stickycak@ool-ade56134.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 08:57:05 waltwhite [~waltwhite@113-9-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr] has joined #lisp 08:59:09 e-user [e-user@nat/nokia/x-vruxrdcekwmqmzhp] has joined #lisp 09:00:20 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 09:00:29 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:04:29 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 09:07:17 nostoi [~nostoi@196.Red-81-44-159.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 09:13:49 killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 09:14:52 -!- _nix00 [~Adium@116.228.89.171] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:15:14 _nix00 [~Adium@116.228.89.171] has joined #lisp 09:20:36 -!- KingNato [~patno@fw.polopoly.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:20:47 KingNato [~patno@fw.polopoly.com] has joined #lisp 09:25:04 -!- ihji [~user@vpn.fasoo.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:25:39 c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-blobfdcetznedljj] has joined #lisp 09:26:50 -!- EarlGray^^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:28:14 EarlGray^^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 09:31:07 -!- nostoi [~nostoi@196.Red-81-44-159.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 09:32:23 -!- nicdev [~user@c-76-24-21-219.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:34:42 With quicklisp is there anywhere you can get details of what all the packages do, and is there any sort of ratings system that you can access? 09:35:34 waveman: you look at the stats on quicklisp's blog 09:35:42 Thx 09:36:25 -!- RomyEatsDrupal [~stickycak@ool-ade56134.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: RomyEatsDrupal] 09:36:25 -!- stickycake [~stickycak@ool-ade56134.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: stickycake] 09:36:25 waveman: read the documentation of each system. If any. 09:36:26 and I usually use cliki to find a library then quickload it. 09:36:30 otherwise read the sources. 09:37:37 there is also http://www.cliki.net/Current%20recommended%20libraries 09:38:47 -!- jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.3.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:43:52 -!- bwright [~bwright@c122-106-254-100.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:45:46 jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.3.18] has joined #lisp 09:45:53 bwright [~bwright@c122-106-254-100.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 09:46:13 trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 09:48:54 -!- DaDaDosPrompt [~DaDaDosPr@75-163-225-197.clsp.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: DaDaDosPrompt] 09:51:03 recommended by whom? 09:51:59 The authors of the wiki page. 09:52:29 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.12.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:53:09 -!- replore [~replore@203.152.213.161.static.zoot.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:56:29 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 09:57:17 hi 10:02:37 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:06:31 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.234.22] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 10:09:44 lonstein [lonstein@ohno.mrbill.net] has joined #lisp 10:10:30 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 10:11:15 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:14:03 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has joined #lisp 10:14:37 H4ns [~user@e178185108.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 10:15:35 any cl.net admins? could you please sudo chmod -R g+w /project/ucw/public_html/darcs/ 10:16:16 attila_lendvai: done 10:16:39 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 10:17:00 H4ns: cheers! (I hope you like beers, because next time we meet I'll have to clear all this credit... :) 10:17:17 attila_lendvai: don't worry :) 10:17:21 H4ns: i really don't know what i did on bknr anymore, if the diff isn't up to par, drop me a line 10:17:37 madnificent: it is already merged. 10:17:53 ok 10:18:40 madnificent: https://github.com/hanshuebner/bknr-datastore/commit/f394b0137067ebe742059dc909970db2045a7ddc 10:19:21 H4ns: have you planned a lispers meeting "between the years" by chance? 10:19:28 -!- gko [~gko@27.240.39.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:19:38 H4ns: no, that's not mine. but i saw what i did and it's safe. thanks! 10:19:40 C-Keen: not really, no. 10:19:52 add^_ [~add^_^@h153n1c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 10:19:55 madnificent: ok, cool. 10:19:58 H4ns: alright then ;) 10:20:32 rudi_ [~rudi@1x-193-157-204-95.uio.no] has joined #lisp 10:23:35 -!- X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:24:11 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Sometimes the app is run from my personal directory, other times, in a system account. What's a good way, besides using *features* and dev/prod flags, to detect where I'm running from and building the web root path accordingly? 14:24:00 jmckitrick: an environment variable would be it. 14:24:18 dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has joined #lisp 14:24:20 Ok, that's my fall-back plan, if that's really the best way. 14:24:25 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-055-079.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:24:59 what's bad about it? people are used to it, it works, so? 14:25:42 I just thought maybe lisp had a more elegant way. ;-) 14:25:46 But that will work just fine. 14:25:50 jmckitrick: Is the "webroot pathname" related to the path to the sources? 14:25:56 jmckitrick: figuring out that information should be a fallback method if nothing is specified in configuration files, environment or on command line 14:26:04 Xach: yes 14:26:08 jmckitrick: how? 14:26:43 webroot is part of the project, thus in one of the subdirectories 14:27:05 asdf system, rather. 14:27:13 http://xach.livejournal.com/294639.html has a few ideas for that 14:27:31 -!- udoprog [~udoprog@h-39-66.a254.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 14:27:42 udoprog [~udoprog@h-39-66.a254.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 14:28:37 Xach: that's an excellent idea 14:30:13 nyef [~nyef@c-174-63-105-188.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:30:23 G'morning all. 14:31:48 Mornin'. 14:32:08 -!- kilon [~thekilon@178.59.17.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:33:02 sacho__ [~sacho@46.10.7.30] has joined #lisp 14:33:19 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@60-234-133-173.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:34:41 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:35:17 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:35:29 -!- am0c [~am0c@180.224.41.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:35:31 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA043C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 14:35:40 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 14:35:52 -!- sacho_ [~sacho@46.10.7.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:36:54 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-008-248.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 14:37:15 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@cpe-74-64-109-53.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:38:01 vervic [~vervic@vie-91-186-147-031.dsl.sil.at] has joined #lisp 14:41:42 tfb [~tfb@92.41.139.107.threembb.co.uk] has joined #lisp 14:42:51 hdidhhu [~user@talula.plus.com] has joined #lisp 14:44:00 -!- lbc [~quassel@h198.natout.aau.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:44:37 lbc [~quassel@h198.natout.aau.dk] has joined #lisp 14:45:23 ThomasH [4b1349ad@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has joined #lisp 14:45:35 Greetings lispers. 14:46:33 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@cpe-74-64-109-53.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:47:55 Xach : Two things. (1) I'm not sure it's your responsibility to warn people on improper pathnames to quicklisp-quickstart:install, but probably the easiest way to generate the warning is look for a (PATHNAME-NAME path). If a proper install path has been provided, it should be null. 14:49:10 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 14:49:35 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:49:57 Xach: (2) It looks like the best way to integrate Quicklisp with LispWorks is to integrate ASDF to the greatest extent possible. Unfortunately, the LispWorks SCM package exports 98 symbols and provides documentation for 4. If you include the example integration, there is quasi-documentation for more. This makes things more difficult than necessary. 14:51:33 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:51:34 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@Riley14.price.clarkson.edu] has quit [Quit: Offline] 14:51:49 -!- sacho__ [~sacho@46.10.7.30] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:21 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:55:09 EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@190.244.19.108] has joined #lisp 14:58:49 -!- iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-151-161.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:59:42 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 15:00:18 iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-151-161.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 15:00:55 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.182.102] has joined #lisp 15:01:23 gko [gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 15:03:02 sacho [~sacho@92-247-208-87.spectrumnet.bg] has joined #lisp 15:03:51 -!- ehu [~ehuels@62.140.137.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:06:22 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-eidpznxnwrguwpow] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:07:43 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 15:08:36 nanoc [~conanhome@200.16.144.226] has joined #lisp 15:10:08 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.152.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:13:52 Nauntilus [~Benji@wsip-68-14-222-194.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 15:16:58 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@41.56.8.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:18:20 dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 15:20:37 hydo [~hydo@c-71-227-138-93.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:22:41 antgreen [user@nat/redhat/x-xapqqqvggwxogcvb] has joined #lisp 15:25:26 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:25:28 ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has joined #lisp 15:26:35 -!- el-maxo [~max@p57A56B96.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:29:26 jtza8 [~jtza8@41.56.8.172] has joined #lisp 15:29:36 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@41.56.8.172] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:34:58 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has joined #lisp 15:35:27 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:35:50 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 15:36:57 stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 15:37:26 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-385684.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 15:40:06 el-maxo [~max@p5DE8ED85.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:41:58 -!- saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA043C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:42:50 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA043C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 15:49:47 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.182.102] has quit [Quit: Offline] 15:51:05 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 15:51:25 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@92.40.254.94.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:51:28 dl [~download@chpcwl01.hpc.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 15:51:49 stefil is neat 15:54:13 am0c [~am0c@222.235.56.158] has joined #lisp 15:54:29 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-184-144.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 15:54:38 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.20.27.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:55:14 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.182.102] has joined #lisp 15:56:05 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-385684.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56:17 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:56:56 tali713` [~tali713@c-75-72-193-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:57:49 *dl* wishes that http://dwim.hu/ was up! 15:58:02
stefil does look neat... 15:58:08 dl: same .. i was hesitant to even try stefil based on that 15:58:16
:) 15:58:44 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-383535.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 15:58:51 -!- spike2251 [~user@c-76-24-24-228.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:59:19 i also wish documentation browsing was a part of slime ... lots of docstring-to-X conversion, but lisp should be more interactive ;) 16:00:30 janissary [~user@adsl-98-85-5-173.mco.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 16:00:30 -!- PECCU [~peccu@ZL199077.ppp.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:01:02 -!- vervic [~vervic@vie-91-186-147-031.dsl.sil.at] has quit [Quit: vervic] 16:01:07 teggi [~teggi@123.20.27.230] has joined #lisp 16:01:54 gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 16:03:30 it's already a part of slime and it's called Emacs 16:04:48 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 9.0/20111130065942]] 16:06:52 Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.20.102] has joined #lisp 16:08:31 -!- iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-151-161.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:08:34 -!- akovalenko [~akovalenk@95.72.42.228] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.0.92.1] 16:10:01 akovalenko [~akovalenk@95.72.42.228] has joined #lisp 16:10:44 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:11:28 iwillig [~ivan@dyn-160-39-151-228.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 16:12:36 Kron [~Kron@69.166.20.102] has joined #lisp 16:13:03 -!- Kron is now known as Guest54399 16:13:13 -!- antgreen [user@nat/redhat/x-xapqqqvggwxogcvb] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:14:27 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.20.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:15:51 PECCU [~peccu@ZL195058.ppp.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 16:16:13 -!- aerique [310225@xs8.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 16:16:31 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 16:16:37 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:18:42 -!- lbc [~quassel@h198.natout.aau.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:19:03 lbc [~quassel@h198.natout.aau.dk] has joined #lisp 16:19:16 jewel [~jewel@196.215.168.225] has joined #lisp 16:20:28 _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 16:20:47 -!- lbc [~quassel@h198.natout.aau.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21:23 -!- gensym` [~user@dslc-082-082-099-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:23:07 defun112 [~user@175.124.95.120] has joined #lisp 16:23:54 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:23:55 -!- Guest40994 is now known as reb 16:24:05 osa1 [~sinan@141.196.62.71] has joined #lisp 16:24:13 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has joined #lisp 16:24:17 -!- pon1980 [~pon@195-67-88-105.customer.telia.com] has left #lisp 16:25:41 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.47.73] has joined #lisp 16:25:41 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.47.73] has quit [Changing host] 16:25:41 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 16:27:25 gensym` [~user@dslc-082-082-099-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 16:29:26 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 16:29:49 jacius [~jacius@c-24-13-89-230.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:32:56 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.234.22] has joined #lisp 16:34:35 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-008-248.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:35:19 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@gray-29.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has joined #lisp 16:35:26 antgreen [user@nat/redhat/x-mzpbzplilxxsovoz] has joined #lisp 16:36:47 -!- kenanb [kenanb@176.54.215.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:38:23 -!- ramusara [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:38:52 lbc [~quassel@h198.natout.aau.dk] has joined #lisp 16:40:33 xaxo [~space@tph119.physik.uni-leipzig.de] has joined #lisp 16:41:09 -!- lbc [~quassel@h198.natout.aau.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:41:20 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:42:16 hi guys, I am trying to do a smile visualisation with cl-opengl and cl-glut. what I need is a trackball similar to this one http://www.az.cs.is.nagoya-u.ac.jp/class/comp-sys/programs/trackball.c in order to be able to rotate the object with the mouse 16:42:35 is there something simple that I can use or do I have to port it to lisp? 16:42:42 'morning 16:42:46 -!- ilmari [ilmari@knuth.ping.uio.no] has left #lisp 16:43:53 Fade: did you go to the meeting? 16:43:56 aliasxerog [~mveety@thefoundry.csh.rit.edu] has joined #lisp 16:44:07 -!- antgreen [user@nat/redhat/x-mzpbzplilxxsovoz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:44:17 I did not. I ended up toiling in the machine room doing ops work most of the night. 16:44:18 xaxo: it looks pretty trivial to port 16:44:25 Vicfred [~Vicfred@189.143.75.217] has joined #lisp 16:44:33 Fade: almost as fun i'm sure 16:44:51 well, certainly more profitable. :) 16:44:51 xaxo: you might try finding a matrix package, but it'll probably take you longer to use it than it would to just port it 16:45:04 to learn to use it, I mean 16:45:08 dlowe: but then how do I have to create the matrix and use it with glMultMatrixf 16:46:13 dlowe: there is the matrix creation function at the end of the file called build_rotmatrix() and I don't know what data structure to use for it in lisp 16:46:32 I don't seem to find some good tutorial or api reference for cl-opengl 16:47:09 xaxo: you'll have to make an alien type so you can define a two dimensional array of floats 16:48:18 xaxo: You could use a lisp ARRAY for your rotation matrix. 16:48:31 mmullis_ [~mmullis@208.65.90.233] has joined #lisp 16:48:43 and then (gl:MultMatrixf matrix) ? 16:49:17 xaxo: Sorry, I misunderstood, I'm not sure what is necessary for use with cl-opengl. 16:49:17 depends on what gl:multmatrixf takes 16:49:33 I haven't used cl-opengl in a long time 16:49:38 the point is that I don't know if it even exists :) 16:49:59 is thete some documentation on cl-opengl? 16:50:15 (documentation 'gl:multmatrixf 'function) 16:50:17 source code? 16:50:25 xaxo: The documentation for cl-opengl seems to be very lacking :( 16:50:28 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-041.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 16:50:38 source code - the lazy coder's documentation 16:50:41 stassats`: I'm lisp newbie to be able to understand the source code 16:50:54 xaxo: then it'll be a good exercise 16:51:28 <|3b|> sb-cga matrices can be passed to gl:mult-matrix if i remember correctly 16:51:30 stassats`: More likely, it'll be a very frustrating experience 16:51:50 stassats`: can't it be both? 16:51:58 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@gray-29.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has quit [Quit: Some days you're the pigeon, some days the statue...] 16:52:00 jacius, rather 16:52:14 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@ceesit01.nees.rpi.edu] has joined #lisp 16:52:14 jacius: how else do you expect to learn something? 16:52:35 heh 16:52:42 no pain, no gain! 16:52:48 -!- H4ns [~user@e178185108.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: relocate] 16:53:14 |3b|: good point, that one seems to exist 16:53:35 -!- rudi_ [~rudi@1x-193-157-204-95.uio.no] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 16:54:00 -!- hydo [~hydo@c-71-227-138-93.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: hydo] 16:54:39 -!- ramus [~ramus@c-50-132-91-53.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:55:31 -!- PECCU [~peccu@ZL195058.ppp.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:55:40 xaxo: After looking at the source code, it seems you can also pass 2D arrays to mult-matrix, e.g. (gl:mult-matrix #2A((0 1 2 3) (4 5 6 7) (8 9 10 11) (12 13 14 15))) 16:56:08 -!- macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-17-133.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 16:56:13 jacius: thank you 16:57:23 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:58:30 bleh format is soo complex..... 16:58:35 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #lisp 16:59:12 yes 16:59:14 xaxo: I have been learning cl-opengl for the past few weeks, so if you have more questions I might be able to help :) 16:59:18 no 16:59:20 i couldn't find an iteration version of format which does the same as this here (prog1 (format t "~&[Num, Hex]~&~%") (dotimes (i 101) (format t "~{~&(~A, ~X)~}" (list (car (list i)) i)))) 16:59:22 hell, it can emit integers as roman numerals. 16:59:35 yes 17:00:07 jacius: thank you, I will try to get it working now ask if I need some help 17:00:17 xaxo: Okay, good luck :) 17:00:23 i'd argue that it's exactly as complex as it needs to be. 17:00:43 why do you put numbers into a list? 17:00:59 -!- [SLB] [~balthasar@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: [ Close the World, Open the nExt ]] 17:01:03 that's just for grouping purpose 17:01:10 if you meant me 17:01:21 wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has joined #lisp 17:01:29 (car (list i))? how messed up is that? 17:01:59 it's a sign of "randomly twiddle code until it seems to work" approach 17:02:00 what's wrong with (dotimes (i 101) (format t "~&(~A, ~X)" i i))? 17:02:19 i did that first 17:02:37 but wanted the iteration version of it working 17:02:52 but it processes the list i give it as a pair 17:03:12 '(1 2 3 4) is 1->2, 3->4 mapped then 17:03:28 -!- silenius [~silenius@i59F7582B.versanet.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:43 i don't understand what you're talking about 17:03:53 you want something like (format t "~&(~A, ~:*~X)" i)? 17:04:07 the iteration construct ~{~....} for processing a list 17:04:22 hrmmm, jdz may have it 17:04:33 i don't know what ~:* does 17:04:33 jdz: just i i works too, as i pasted above 17:04:51 stassats`: yeah, if it's in a dolist 17:05:29 -!- jmckitrick [~user@108-77-157-187.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:05:33 see, homie doesn't understand what ~:*, so let him pass "i" twice 17:05:50 right ok, i'll look in the info now thank you 17:06:00 s/understand/know/ 17:06:46 homie: is this what you're after: (format t "~{~&~A: #x~:*~X~}" '(17 42 113))? 17:07:01 ~:* is a kissing man with one wavy hair on top of his head, duh 17:07:20 homie: C-c C-d ~ 17:08:17 -!- trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:08:19 hyperspec-lookup-format 17:09:52 When format sees the ~:* man, it steps back in horror, so it has to process the previous argument again. 17:10:43 All very logical, of course 17:10:54 PECCU [~peccu@ZL198141.ppp.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 17:11:12 looks like a kobold from WoW (the guys with big noses and candles on the heads) 17:11:24 -!- Kryztof [~user@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:11:27 Ooh, that's a good one 17:16:46 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@122.169.95.178] has joined #lisp 17:16:48 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@122.169.95.178] has quit [Changing host] 17:16:48 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 17:16:59 -!- defun112 [~user@175.124.95.120] has left #lisp 17:18:13 ok ~:* processes the last argument once again, and ~1:* processes the before the last argument twice etc..... 17:18:33 or ? 17:18:35 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.182.102] has quit [Quit: Offline] 17:20:36 ~1:* is the same as ~:*, but you can do ~2:* to go back 2 args 17:20:56 http://gigamonkeys.com/book/a-few-format-recipes.html#hop-skip-jump 17:21:51 homie: what are you really trying to do? 17:22:27 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:22:38 learning some format?! 17:22:57 thank you jacius for the link 17:23:16 land of lisp has some pretty nice tutorial coverage of format. 17:27:01 austinh [~austin@c-24-21-49-222.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:29:50 KingNato_ [~patno@fw.polopoly.com] has joined #lisp 17:29:57 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 17:29:57 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Client Quit] 17:30:51 Hmmmmmmm 17:31:13 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:31:27 I am getting a "too many open files" in SBCL that I did not get in the past. 17:31:44 ulimit change? 17:31:47 *Xach* goes back to an older version to see if it's his environment or what 17:31:48 Xach: maybe because of less frequent gc 17:32:02 I'm using lots and lots of run-programs 17:32:03 (sb-ext:bytes-consed-between-gcs) 17:32:34 Xach: do you call process-close each time? (you should) 17:32:55 I don't think so. 17:33:00 -!- KingNato [~patno@fw.polopoly.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:33:02 -!- e-user [e-user@nat/nokia/x-vruxrdcekwmqmzhp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:11 If I don't, does that mean I was relying on finalization in the past? 17:33:19 And now finalization scheduling has changed? 17:33:46 that's a can of worms (with serve-event inside) 17:33:48 with a larger nursery GC's are less frequent 17:34:02 GCs, even 17:34:11 -!- KingNato_ [~patno@fw.polopoly.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:34:24 [SLB] [~balthasar@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 17:34:57 *Xach* adds process-closes and retries 17:35:30 we should really add WITH-RUNNING-PROGRAM that has the appropriate uwp 17:35:52 ls -l /proc/$pid/fd => see what's left unclosed 17:36:41 antifuchs [~foobar@guestnet.franz.com] has joined #lisp 17:37:22 Hmm, so should I expect things to get cleaned up with a (sb-ext:gc :full t)? 17:38:25 if (1) it's about finalizers, and (2) you're lucky with stack conservatism. 17:38:37 why not just use lsof? 17:38:49 I got hundreds of pipes 17:40:01 hydo [~hydo@c-71-227-138-93.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:40:11 nikodemus: exec error detection? 17:40:32 nikodemus: I mean, maybe it leaks a pipe? 17:41:02 could be 17:41:12 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 17:41:36 those pipes are a-leakin' 17:41:40 process-close isn't helping. 17:41:58 sorry not to have tested this earlier :( 17:42:06 Xach: :wait t ? 17:42:10 yes. 17:43:36 -!- iwillig [~ivan@dyn-160-39-151-228.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:44:53 iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-151-161.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 17:45:58 nikodemus: looks like our unixish spawn() in run-program.c never closes channel[0] in parent 17:47:56 Is there something I can do to help isolate the problem or test a solution? 17:48:01 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has joined #lisp 17:48:17 just found myself 17:48:33 i'll push a fix shortly 17:49:37 milanj [~milanj_@178-223-191-12.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 17:49:49 that was quick 17:50:49 *Xach* wonders about 1.0.54bis 17:51:33 -!- janissary [~user@adsl-98-85-5-173.mco.bellsouth.net] has left #lisp 17:54:31 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:54:46 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 17:55:42 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:53 kushal [~kdas@114.143.166.255] has joined #lisp 17:56:53 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.166.255] has quit [Changing host] 17:56:53 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 17:57:27 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:00:01 -!- sacho [~sacho@92-247-208-87.spectrumnet.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:01:37 fmeyer_ [~fmeyer@186.220.4.64] has joined #lisp 18:01:53 -!- ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:02:23 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.212.95] has joined #lisp 18:03:07 looks like a modem spec. 18:03:08 -!- Guest54399 [~Kron@69.166.20.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:04:32 -!- xaxo [~space@tph119.physik.uni-leipzig.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:05:32 -!- tfb [~tfb@92.41.139.107.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:06:04 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:06:40 Qworkescence [~quad@75-166-82-248.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:06:48 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@75-166-82-248.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:06:48 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 18:06:55 xaxo [~space@tph119.physik.uni-leipzig.de] has joined #lisp 18:07:27 or an old eastern plane name, except for too many numbers 18:08:08 jacius: I am using SLIME in Emacs to play with lisp but having errors in the functions causes aborts and that leaves windows around and even crashes my system 18:08:20 is there a way to deal with that in cl-opengl? 18:09:54 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@201.87.5.146.user.ajato.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:10:02 Xach: fix pushed 18:10:26 xaxo: Are you using GLUT? I have not found a way to kill the GLUT windows after an error, except to quit SLIME and start over when there are too many windows. :\ 18:10:49 clhs unwind-protect 18:11:10 jacius: I am using glut, yes, but some times my system freezes at all and that's annoying 18:11:11 Ralith: you'd think so, wouldn't you 18:12:27 nikodemus: thanks 18:12:29 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:12:51 jacius: glop may also be of interest 18:13:12 jacius: there is also some bug that I have to resize the window in order to see something, otherwise the window is just full of the clear color 18:13:13 Ralith: unwind-protect hasn't helped much, because I couldn't get GLUT to clean up properly even after the error was handled. 18:13:49 GLUT is kind of crappy anyway 18:13:52 I am currently using SDL to provide the window, which I like better than GLUT. 18:13:53 and doesn't map well onto lisp 18:14:08 GLFW is also good 18:14:27 cl-glfw 18:15:55 jacius: do SDL and glfw don't have that problem with the windows staying? 18:16:23 xaxo: Correct, they don't have that problem 18:16:24 CaZe_ [~CaZe@unaffiliated/y354c] has joined #lisp 18:16:24 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:17:13 Ok, I might try one of them for creating window and keyboard/mouse interaction, because there is some problem with the drawing 18:17:25 -!- CaZe [~CaZe@unaffiliated/y354c] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:17:25 -!- CaZe_ is now known as CaZe 18:17:45 some lines leave only some points after a while and I seem to need to resize the window to get the drawing again.... 18:19:05 slyrus [~chatzilla@63-150-7-120.dia.static.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:20:39 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@188-67-206-250.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:21:43 -!- fmeyer_ [~fmeyer@186.220.4.64] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:21:59 fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.4.64] has joined #lisp 18:23:59 Kron_ [~Kron@64.235.96.2] has joined #lisp 18:27:05 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-209-14.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:28:39 nikodemus_: looks good to me 18:29:04 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-138-95.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:29:24 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:29:58 kami`` [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has joined #lisp 18:30:02 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.234.22] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 18:30:44 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-209-14.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 18:31:00 could that get backported to the 1.0.54 tag? 18:32:53 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-023-208.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 18:32:55 -!- kami` [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:33:08 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-209-14.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:36:56 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.4.64] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:39:42 oudeis [~oudeis@host-92-28-140-223.as13285.net] has joined #lisp 18:39:54 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:39:59 SegFaultAX|work [~mkbernard@173.228.45.162] has joined #lisp 18:40:54 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.20.27.230] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:41:24 -!- xaxo [~space@tph119.physik.uni-leipzig.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:42:33 -!- hydo [~hydo@c-71-227-138-93.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: hydo] 18:42:44 nikodemus [~nikodemus@188-67-206-250.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 18:43:19 -!- saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA043C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:43:21 Xof: are you interested in moving spatial-trees somewhere? 18:44:48 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA043C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:46:08 thekilon [~kilon@athedsl-318120.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 18:46:15 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-041.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:48:46 -!- hdidhhu [~user@talula.plus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:48:47 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-383535.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:51:57 sacho [~sacho@46.10.7.30] has joined #lisp 18:52:58 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@64.235.96.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:53:09 -!- gensym` [~user@dslc-082-082-099-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:54:04 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 18:54:28 -!- Vicfred [~Vicfred@189.143.75.217] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:55:54 Bike [~Glossina@71-214-105-3.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:55:54 Xach: does it need moved? i have something that really depends on it, so if there's no interest in maintaining it, i suppose i'll have to 18:56:09 -!- Arsonide_ [~Arsonide@99-152-148-99.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:57:18 oGMo: the current host has been down for many months 18:57:48 It would be nice in a vague sense to have it hosted somewhere that worked. I don't have a specific, personal need, though. 18:58:47 i'll move it to github if necessary 18:59:18 It's currently a darcs repo. 18:59:44 sacho_ [~sacho@46.10.7.30] has joined #lisp 18:59:55 -!- _nix00 [~Adium@116.228.89.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:59:58 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:00:54 k 19:01:16 -!- antifuchs [~foobar@guestnet.franz.com] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 19:01:25 _nix00 [~Adium@116.228.89.171] has joined #lisp 19:01:51 http://xach.com/tmp/spatial-trees.tgz is a snapshot of it 19:01:59 antifuchs [~foobar@guestnet.franz.com] has joined #lisp 19:02:32 darcs git conversion isn't too tricky 19:02:47 -!- sacho [~sacho@46.10.7.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:03:08 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-127.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 19:03:16 yeah found a conversion script on github 19:03:36 that said i don't want to jump the gun if Xof has plans, but i'll prep it 19:04:16 -!- nanoc [~conanhome@200.16.144.226] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 19:04:37 does anyone know why xc-code.lisp fails both in cmucl and sbcl ? 19:05:03 with an ffi error, and with maximum-error-nesting-depth exceeded errors ? 19:05:33 What is xc-code.lisp? 19:06:20 err sorry, typo, xp-code.lisp for xp the pretty-printer 19:06:40 Cryotank2011 [~Cryotank2@c-24-17-62-152.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:06:46 where's that? 19:07:11 ftp://ftp.cs.cmu.edu/user/ai/lang/lisp/code/io/xp/ 19:07:14 And why do you need xp-code? cmucl and sbcl have pretty good pretty printers already. 19:08:59 Not content to waste his own time, he is trying to waste #lisp's too. 19:09:25 i was reading the manual and wanted to test it..... 19:09:57 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl21-70-54.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 19:11:12 borkman [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 19:11:57 Just use the pretty printer from your lisp.... 19:12:19 homie: That code is cltl1-era 19:12:23 ok 19:12:46 I think there's a slightly updated version in clocc or something. 19:13:16 gensym` [~user@dslc-082-082-099-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 19:16:39 -!- ThomasH [4b1349ad@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:17:20 hydo [~hydo@216.160.113.173] has joined #lisp 19:19:31 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:22:29 -!- hydo [~hydo@216.160.113.173] has quit [Quit: hydo] 19:23:10 arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has joined #lisp 19:24:38 sacho__ [~sacho@46.10.7.30] has joined #lisp 19:25:43 antgreen [user@nat/redhat/x-picubuexdngfkimq] has joined #lisp 19:26:41 hydo [~hydo@216.160.113.173] has joined #lisp 19:26:49 -!- hydo [~hydo@216.160.113.173] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:26:50 cmoore_ [~hydo@216.160.113.173] has joined #lisp 19:27:39 -!- sacho_ [~sacho@46.10.7.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:28:11 -!- sacho__ [~sacho@46.10.7.30] has quit [Client Quit] 19:30:42 chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:31:05 is it better to learn another programming language, such as c, before learning lisp/scheme, or is lisp a good first lang? 19:31:49 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has joined #lisp 19:32:13 chromaticwt: it's perfectly fine .. the advantage is that you'll not have to retrain how you think in order to learn it 19:32:43 chromaticwt: I'd say it's easier to learn other languages after knowing a lisp well than the other way around. 19:32:45 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-023-208.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:33:37 cool 19:35:37 chromaticwt: I think lisps are better first languages than any other 19:36:31 and certainly much better than C. you will hate C if you attempt to learn it as your first language 19:37:00 but then if you learn lisp first, you'll hate C later on :) 19:37:10 *Xach* does not share that experience 19:37:18 I find C to be a quite nice language 19:37:20 Don't you usually hate your first language? 19:37:31 ;) 19:37:34 *akovalenko* still likes pdp-11 opcodes :) 19:37:36 Mine was commodore basic, so it's not that controversial to hate it 19:37:51 jacks- [~darton@76.73.16.26] has joined #lisp 19:37:57 akovalenko: you must have a very long beard! 19:38:04 *akovalenko* does. 19:38:16 C is quite fine 19:38:44 -!- benny [~benny@i577A7C6F.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.1] 19:39:33 Xach:  I just had the idea of a lisper with chinese-style long beard 19:40:02 benny [~benny@i577A85DB.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 19:40:09 -!- Cryotank2011 [~Cryotank2@c-24-17-62-152.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Cryotank2011] 19:40:40 p_l: better, the long moustache that looks like ( ) 19:40:55 oGMo: haha, that too 19:41:08 -!- c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-blobfdcetznedljj] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:41:40 ThomasH [4b1349ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.19.73.173] has joined #lisp 19:41:46 -!- ThomasH [4b1349ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.19.73.173] has quit [Changing host] 19:41:46 ThomasH [4b1349ad@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has joined #lisp 19:42:28 In ASDF, if I call traverse on a system that has already been loaded, it will return NIL because there is nothing to be done, correct? 19:43:15 unless you give it :force t 19:43:17 -!- thekilon [~kilon@athedsl-318120.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43:25 -!- gko [gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:43:32 Doh1 19:43:33 ! 19:44:00 (asdf:oos 'asdf:load-op :blah :force t) will reload it 19:44:37 Yes, I get it. I was experience my usual problem with tunnel vision. 19:45:52 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-033-004.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 19:47:12 (asdf:load-system :luke :force '(:luke :darth-vader)) ;; T is not the only useful argument 19:47:53 heh 19:47:56 ehu` [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 19:47:59 gb 19:48:01 akovalenko: I haven't really been able to make :force with anything other than NIL or T do anything sensible when I tried 19:48:08 that was before asdf2, though, so this might have changed 19:48:56 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:50:14 Is there a function that will return the root directory for the output files of a system? 19:50:17 In ASDF. 19:50:37 is there a keymap for inspecting last returned object in SLIME? 19:51:43 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.212.95] has quit [Quit: Offline] 19:51:47 -!- jewel [~jewel@196.215.168.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:51:53 jacks-: values to inspect are evaluated, so you can just use the * variable 19:52:03 (I assume you mean "returned at the REPL") 19:52:14 same for ** and / and so on. 19:52:14 what was + for ? 19:52:21 or ++ 19:52:34 I meant that, but I am talking about slime inspector. I can click on it and go to inspect, but that means I have to leave homerow 19:52:39 I know that* 19:52:54 jacks-: ah - C-c I invokes the inspector, if that helps (: 19:53:14 that way, C-c I * RET gives you the last value from the repl 19:53:26 ah right, thanks 19:54:11 antifuchs: iirc, :force doesn't do anything sensible for a single name as a list designator, but works as "partial force" for a list of names (and maybe list of systems, but I'm unsure) 19:54:27 -!- maxm----- [~user@p84-72.acedsl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:54:56 akovalenko: yeah, last I tried, it would force operation only on some components (other than all the ones I wanted), and then force the operation on some components I didn't want 19:55:23 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.181] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:58:46 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:58:58 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.179.224] has joined #lisp 19:59:41 -!- chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:00:09 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.234.22] has joined #lisp 20:00:44 chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:00:51 HG` [~HG@dsbg-4db58225.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 20:04:12 -!- cmoore_ [~hydo@216.160.113.173] has quit [Quit: cmoore_] 20:04:24 nialo- [nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 20:06:08 -!- nialo` [nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:06:27 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:06:46 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 20:13:15 Guthur [~user@212.183.128.187] has joined #lisp 20:17:05 -!- chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:18:09 gniourf_gniourf [~Gniourf@2a01:e35:2433:3b90:222:41ff:fe23:8d8e] has joined #lisp 20:20:55 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:04 -!- tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has left #lisp 20:23:08 -!- tali713` is now known as tali713 20:23:30 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@host-92-28-140-223.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:23:43 -!- gensym` [~user@dslc-082-082-099-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:23:55 chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:23:58 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@2.129.0.44] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:24:26 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 20:25:26 So, (apply-output-translations (component-pathname system)) seems to provide the system target directory. 20:26:00 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:26:31 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has joined #lisp 20:28:28 skalawag [~user@c75-111-9-153.amrlcmta01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #lisp 20:31:00 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:22 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has joined #lisp 20:33:37 mathrick__ [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has joined #lisp 20:33:43 -!- chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:36:11 -!- Vutral [~ss@vutral.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:36:12 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-318120.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 20:36:36 -!- ThePawnBreak [~quassel@94.177.108.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:37:03 pareidolia [~michaelk@voncosel.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 20:37:03 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-122-15.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:37:27 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:37:40 -!- jacks- [~darton@76.73.16.26] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)] 20:38:16 Does anyone have an advice for dealing with an alist of which the keys are not keywords but symbols of some package? I'd like to getf 20:38:27 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has joined #lisp 20:39:31 -!- mathrick__ [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:39:42 chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:40:09 pareidolia: if the keys are symbols, assoc should do the trick without much fuss. 20:40:25 kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-89-54.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 20:40:27 -!- Vivitron [~user@pool-173-48-170-228.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:40:27 pareidolia: Keywords are symbols, use the symbols -> http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_getf.htm 20:40:46 If you want to use only the symbol name, you could use (assoc 'key alist :test 'string=) 20:41:10 Package would not matter in that case. 20:41:25 Assoc, of course :) 20:41:28 *pareidolia* slaps forehead 20:43:16 Please do pardon me, I read Practical Common Lisp about 6 months ago, but I didn't get much practice in the meantime :'( Now I'm making a toy app with Caveman 20:43:57 Thank you, and thank you so much for Quicklisp :-P 20:44:08 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:45:42 No problem. 20:45:58 Vivitron [~user@pool-173-48-170-228.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:47:05 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has joined #lisp 20:49:14 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.179.224] has quit [Quit: Offline] 20:50:41 I remember spending three days on getting emacs, slime and sme packages to work on Gentoo. What a pain, portage is just not suitable for Lisp packages. Now I can just set up sbcl, quicklisp, emacs and slime-helper for friends within 5 minutes 20:51:41 That's the part I like best, too. I would take a long, painful time to get a comfortable environment for myself. It was hard to suggest other people do the same. 20:52:29 Well, I guess there are other parts I like best, too, like trying 5 different libraries to see which one helps me save a few minutes of writing my own. 20:52:54 or libraries i might otherwise never have tried 20:53:40 pareidolia: you're wrong 20:54:11 It does bum me out that I wasn't aware of the ECLM in Amsterdam last september... I live there, would have loved it to attend 20:54:42 pareidolia: Pity! I had a great time in Amsterdam and enjoyed meeting many Lispers. 20:54:46 (also, it was in October) 20:54:57 fe[nl]ix: I suppose you're a package maintainer? I'm sorry to offend 20:55:11 you're not offending, you're just wrong 20:55:44 Please do correct me 20:56:25 you can simply use the lisp overlay and everything just works 20:57:31 ilkmkgf [~chatzilla@2965.artic.edu] has joined #lisp 20:57:37 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 20:58:12 Except... the tests for cffi or uffi, output redirection didn't work for native objects if I recall correctly 20:58:14 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.212.211] has joined #lisp 20:58:21 -!- ilkmkgf [~chatzilla@2965.artic.edu] has left #lisp 20:59:10 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:49 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-028.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 21:01:52 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 21:02:05 -!- chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:02:07 Anyway, I feel much more comfortable keeping the package manager out of my dabbling. Maven (har har) for Java, RVM for Ruby, Quicklisp for CL. 21:03:04 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 21:04:09 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl21-70-54.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 21:04:59 chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:05:42 gglitch [~chatzilla@2965.artic.edu] has joined #lisp 21:06:23 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:07:03 pareidolia: it's rubygems for ruby (-: 21:07:14 (rvm is just an installer for ruby implementations (-:) 21:07:23 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 21:08:12 -!- hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:08:13 it's also almost like bundler, too? 21:08:36 urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-208-174.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 21:09:16 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-033-004.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:09:36 antifuchs: Yes, I know, but I can just do ruby -S gem and install something without messing up my filesystem 21:09:53 (Everying stays under ~/.rvm) 21:10:35 bundler is a wrapper around gems (: 21:11:12 (it's possible to think of it as an asdf-binary-locations that puts a project's dependencies in a subdirectory of that project) 21:11:15 I made a mistake :( I need to get the value from a Plist, not an alist with symbols as keys 21:11:36 pareidolia: getf will do that; or you can use destructuring-bind with &key 21:11:46 pareidolia: what are the keys? 21:12:02 Plain symbols, presumably from the caveman package 21:12:22 getf is a fine thing to use for that. 21:13:33 Then there must be an other reason why my getf returns nil 21:13:50 I'll experiment a bit 21:14:00 pareidolia: the most likely thing is that you are not using the same symbol 21:17:16 Do you mean a typo or a symbol from a different package? 21:18:20 Either cause would have the same effect. 21:20:20 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-127.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:20:25 I can't change the equality predicate for getf 21:20:52 Woudn't make much sense, geft is part of a bigger picture 21:22:49 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:22:57 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 21:23:07 -!- chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:23:27 -!- YuleAthas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:30:05 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:31:03 -!- HG` [~HG@dsbg-4db58225.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:31:52 -!- EarlGray^^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:32:06 EarlGray^^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 21:32:50 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 21:34:14 ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has joined #lisp 21:36:03 -!- syrinx_ [~syrinx_@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36:50 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-184-144.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36:53 syrinx_ [~syrinx_@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has joined #lisp 21:37:05 Yeah! I got it working! 21:37:07 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:38:37 I did try to dig through the source, but I'm not ready for that yet 21:39:38 It turns out Caveman maps query parameters to symbols like so: ?foo=bar (:|foo| "bar") 21:40:04 I think I remember the bars are for preserving case 21:41:11 -!- syrinx_ [~syrinx_@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has quit [Client Quit] 21:41:37 yeah |This is a symbol too!| 21:41:38 senj [~senj@S01060026f323bcdf.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 21:42:01 Cryotank2011 [~Cryotank2@c-24-17-62-152.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:42:58 -!- senj [~senj@S01060026f323bcdf.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:43:40 It all makes sense now. I made some progress, but I guess I should dig out PCL again... I seem to have forgotten many details 21:44:30 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.123.248.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:45:28 pareidolia: you can use ?FOO=bar and then you will have (:foo "bar") :) 21:45:53 *mrSpec* recalls to had similar problem with caveman 21:48:42 -!- jasom [~aidenn@ip72-194-213-200.sb.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 21:49:22 Thanks for your work on SBCL Threading (I guess I'm somewhere on the list) 21:50:07 Thanks, have a great day all! 21:53:11 -!- nyef [~nyef@c-174-63-105-188.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 21:53:42 agorecki [~quassel@207.81.94.156] has joined #lisp 21:53:49 -!- agorecki [~quassel@207.81.94.156] has left #lisp 21:54:36 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@188-67-206-250.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:55:05 zmv [~zmv@186.204.122.203] has joined #lisp 21:55:14 -!- EarlGray^^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:37 EarlGray^^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 21:56:27 -!- antgreen [user@nat/redhat/x-picubuexdngfkimq] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:58:17 acml [~user@217.131.161.178] has joined #lisp 21:59:09 jasom [~aidenn@ip72-194-213-200.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:01:26 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.111.6] has joined #lisp 22:01:33 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.111.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:05:35 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.114.38] has joined #lisp 22:07:46 i even found false wordings/misprints in lol 22:10:27 -!- Guthur [~user@212.183.128.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:12:24 -!- djanatyn [~djanatyn@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:12:26 -!- knobo [~bohmer@92.80-202-64.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:14:45 hrm, i have a literal UTF-8 string in a function, and when CCL returns it, it's broken .. must be a setting for source encoding? 22:15:05 literal string in slime etc works fine 22:15:08 -!- acml [~user@217.131.161.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:15:31 using all the documented settings for CCL in the "setting up slime" bit 22:15:51 oGMo: give -K utf-8 to ccl 22:16:50 akovalenko: did, unless ("/path/to/ccl" "-K utf-8") is not right 22:17:01 maybe each parameter is a separate string? 22:17:13 -!- rmarianski is now known as rmar|away 22:17:59 yes 22:18:23 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:19:13 -!- zmv [~zmv@186.204.122.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:19:46 djanatyn [~djanatyn@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has joined #lisp 22:20:34 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.194] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:21:57 hrmmm .. still no luck, cleared out fasls etc 22:23:32 silenius [~silenius@i59F7582B.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 22:25:51 doesn't work outside of slime either, heh 22:25:57 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.114.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:26:55 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-318120.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:27:26 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 22:27:53 codelurker [~codelurke@c-98-227-187-219.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:28:17 -!- codelurker [~codelurke@c-98-227-187-219.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:31:50 benkard [~benkard@141.84.69.67] has joined #lisp 22:32:42 -!- osa1 [~sinan@141.196.62.71] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:32:49 syrinx_ [~syrinx_@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has joined #lisp 22:32:51 -!- waltwhite [~waltwhite@113-9-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr] has quit [Quit: waltwhite] 22:41:01 -!- Nauntilus [~Benji@wsip-68-14-222-194.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:41:10 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:41:20 -!- akovalenko [~akovalenk@95.72.42.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:42:56 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:42:57 -!- iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-151-161.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:43:57 -!- am0c [~am0c@222.235.56.158] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:44:10 X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #lisp 22:44:19 -!- gglitch [~chatzilla@2965.artic.edu] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 3.6.13/20101203074432]] 22:47:32 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:51:27 -!- ch077179 [~ch077179@unaffiliated/ch077179] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:52:09 ch077179 [~ch077179@unaffiliated/ch077179] has joined #lisp 22:52:10 -!- ch077179 [~ch077179@unaffiliated/ch077179] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:53:50 ch077179 [~ch077179@unaffiliated/ch077179] has joined #lisp 22:54:19 akovalenko [~akovalenk@95.73.124.217] has joined #lisp 22:54:20 Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.20.102] has joined #lisp 22:54:48 ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has joined #lisp 22:56:54 does stefil not have any dependency or test ordering guarantee? 23:00:16 -!- ehu` [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:02:45 -!- SHODAN [~shozan@c-a1b5e253.011-86-73746f30.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:02 -!- lnostdal [~Lars@ti0030a380-dhcp0111.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:03:28 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 23:03:32 *jaimef* looks for a repl bot 23:03:52 I don't think there are any here. 23:04:39 mon_key [~user@unaffiliated/monkey/x-267253] has joined #lisp 23:04:48 Hello Dragons! 23:04:55 lnostdal [~Lars@ti0030a380-dhcp0111.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 23:05:08 bugger 23:06:02 I'm here to inform that today i feel like this is a suck bug/feature:` 23:06:06 (make-pathname :directory '(:absolute "" "bubba" "" "see_the_empty_strings!")) 23:08:06 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:08:14 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has joined #lisp 23:08:41 _nix001 [~Adium@116.228.89.171] has joined #lisp 23:10:21 -!- dl [~download@chpcwl01.hpc.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:10:49 -!- _nix00 [~Adium@116.228.89.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:13:32 cscolt [~cscolt@li166-102.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 23:13:51 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 23:17:13 SHODAN [~shozan@c-a1b5e253.011-86-73746f30.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 23:17:43 hmm lithp.com is taken 23:18:17 Speech impediment jokes are banalicious. 23:18:28 *jaimef* rereads amy's book 23:18:40 yes it is banality. not civility 23:21:21 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl21-70-54.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 23:25:35 jaimef: a repl bot? 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