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Don't know if you've applied them upstream or not yet. 01:04:25 -!- Phoodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:05:08 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-33-155-94.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:05:46 Vutral [~ss@vutral.net] has joined #lisp 01:05:55 lol 01:06:05 someone saw chemistry apps in lisp ? 01:09:49 why not ? 01:11:09 -!- ASau` [~user@89-178-12-27.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:11:35 no idea 01:11:36 ASau` [~user@89-178-12-27.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 01:11:48 i just wondereed if someone knows libraries or so 01:12:09 i remember there were some 01:12:17 don't know if they are maintained... 01:13:00 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 01:14:01 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-244-180.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 01:15:04 I remember some as well... possibly on mastenbrook.net? 01:15:49 Something about a generic graph library, SMILES parsing, 2d-rendering of chemical structure, and so on. 01:16:04 don't know where, but i at least remember something in elisp or so, it was about the periodic table or so.... 01:16:22 hrmm, remembering incompletely it seems..... 01:16:22 Or there was that "knowledge operating system" thing. 01:17:05 Somewhat web based, had a bunch of gene ontologies loaded, along with some reckoning software (SNARK?)... 01:17:42 biolisp project ? 01:17:47 erm 01:18:07 it's not free i think... 01:18:08 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@58.62.106.238] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:18:16 Vutral: I have some chemistry/bio stuff in CL 01:18:22 Might have been called "biobike", and then changed it's name... 01:18:29 gaidal [~gaidal@58.62.106.238] has joined #lisp 01:18:33 ah yes biobike i think yes 01:19:00 slyrus, can you give me something ? 01:19:07 what are you looking for? 01:19:14 https://github.com/slyrus/chemicl 01:19:28 https://github.com/slyrus/cl-bio 01:20:33 I was thinking at one point about writing something to do old-school LCAO in lisp. 01:21:31 -!- gigamonk` [~user@cpe-76-167-161-98.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:23:10 slyrus: Did you see what I said earlier about CMUCL and CLX? 01:26:29 LCAO ? 01:26:37 -!- nikodemus [~Nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:27:09 Linear Combination of Atomic Orbitals. 01:27:46 I have a couple of the classic references on the approach, and it seems kindof interesting. 01:29:30 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:30:11 Unfortunately, some parts seem to be disgustingly empirical, such as the bits about attempting to predict internuclear distance from bond order, and anything to do with... was it delocalization energy? Might not have been DE, but introduced at about the same time in one of the books. 01:31:27 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:32:46 I seem to recall that one of the things I wanted to do was to use it to produce 3d models from the chemical formula for a compound, then turn around and use opengl to render the models, preferably in a CLIM frame. 01:33:31 ... Throw in a frame system for keeping track of the various elements, compounds, and whatnot, and a reckoner of some sort... 01:33:48 Anyway, never followed through. 01:33:49 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@58.62.106.238] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:42:23 Ah. Resonance integrals. 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Little things, like making it possible to open a socket to the X server. 03:49:52 sacho [~sacho@46.10.23.97] has joined #lisp 03:51:05 kami`` [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has joined #lisp 03:52:59 -!- kami` [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:55:27 -!- sacho [~sacho@46.10.23.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:56:18 rtypo [524de735@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.77.231.53] has joined #lisp 03:57:07 -!- antifuchs [~foobar@care.boinkor.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:57:44 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.190.39.231] has joined #lisp 03:58:09 I think that's already in the clx sources. I updated the cmucl sources from portable clx, and I don't think there many changes. But I guess I need to verify that to be sure. 03:58:21 Er, were many changes. 03:58:29 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 03:58:44 antifuchs [~foobar@care.boinkor.net] has joined #lisp 03:59:37 sacho [~sacho@46.10.23.97] has joined #lisp 04:03:49 -!- el-maxo [~max@p5DE8EA44.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:06:20 syrinx__ [~syrinx_@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has joined #lisp 04:06:56 el-maxo [~max@p57A5665B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 04:07:04 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 04:08:25 -!- drks [~drks@76.73.16.26] has quit [Quit: .] 04:09:48 -!- syrinx_ [~syrinx_@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:13:14 -!- syrinx__ is now known as syrinx_ 04:20:43 Okay, I need some sleep. 04:20:47 -!- nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-144-138.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 04:25:22 -!- CaZe [~CaZe@unaffiliated/y354c] has quit [Ping timeout: 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Well, I don't know what happens if you're running a threaded lisp with slime, though. 07:10:23 it interrupts repl-thread, I think. 07:10:56 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 07:23:38 cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.194] has joined #lisp 07:25:13 -!- stickycake [~stickycak@ool-ade56349.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: stickycake] 07:35:20 mobydick [~textual@burong3.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #lisp 07:39:52 -!- mobydick [~textual@burong3.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Client Quit] 07:44:49 -!- otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:45:09 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 07:48:40 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 07:49:12 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.181] has joined #lisp 07:49:31 quek [~read_eval@router1.gpy1.ms246.net] has joined #lisp 07:53:42 -!- markskilbeck [~Mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Ping timeout: 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I have a VPS with a Hunchentoot Web Server running, but so far it is only serving the default Hunchentoot page. On my local machine I use (create-folder-dispatcher-and-handler) to serve static content, but this does not seem to work on the VPS. Can someone please tell me how to tell Hunchentoot where to look for static web pages to serve? 13:00:24 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@92.40.254.234.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:02:05 quek [~read_eval@router1.gpy1.ms246.net] has joined #lisp 13:02:05 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@58.62.106.238] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:02:14 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 13:02:34 gaidal [~gaidal@58.62.106.238] has joined #lisp 13:03:03 madrik [~user@122.168.19.48] has joined #lisp 13:03:03 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@58.62.106.238] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:03:32 lutok [~user@ip98-169-240-101.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 13:08:20 mobydick: are you sure you have the same version of hunchentoot on both? 13:09:04 how can I check? 13:12:35 i don't know if hunchentoot has a version designator 13:13:08 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-40-35.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:13:14 why not just (1) make sure both have up-to-date quicklisp (2) make sure you're using the quicklisp version 13:14:34 entrix [~entrix@128.68.58.224] has joined #lisp 13:15:09 yep im doing that now 13:15:22 the version on my local machine might be a bit old 13:15:38 but even then i'll have to figure out a new way to solve the problem 13:16:31 use the source, luke 13:16:40 or docs, for that matter 13:17:59 yea thats what ive been trying to do but having trouble without seeing it used in context, i.e. an example 13:19:11 -!- entrix [~entrix@128.68.58.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:19:12 -!- quasisane [~sanep@c-24-218-184-186.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:19:14 gaidal [~gaidal@58.62.106.238] has joined #lisp 13:22:39 Bahman [~user@2.144.214.67] has joined #lisp 13:22:39 -!- Bahman [~user@2.144.214.67] has quit [Client Quit] 13:23:32 oudeis [~oudeis@92.40.254.234.threembb.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:28:00 -!- peddie [~peddie@repl.esden.net] has quit 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G'morning all. 15:20:47 Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 15:20:48 -!- pferor` [~user@119.Red-2-137-149.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21:56 gaidal [~gaidal@58.62.106.238] has joined #lisp 15:22:08 pferor` [~user@119.Red-2-137-149.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 15:23:34 morning 15:25:07 leo2007 [~leo@114.247.10.66] has joined #lisp 15:25:51 xorola [~xorola@180.151.87.6] has joined #lisp 15:26:50 Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.20.173] has joined #lisp 15:27:39 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31:05 kpreid [~kpreid@pool-71-187-231-220.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:32:49 -!- hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39:13 ThomasH [4b1349ad@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has joined #lisp 15:39:25 Greetings lispers 15:40:09 why, why, why must jochen schmidt write something very interesting 53 weeks since his last post? 15:40:51 lol 15:40:53 Xach: Sounds like your criteria are flawed. 15:41:27 Yes; I should go with 53 weeks, not 52 15:42:06 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:42:28 Xach: I was thinking more along the lines of a XachBot that would evaluate lisp related posts and then repost them on Planet Lisp regardless of some arbitrary temporal criteria. ;-) 15:43:07 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 15:43:11 that's a thought... 15:43:20 *Xach* actually did write a XachBot in 1997 for #gimp irc 15:45:08 ... using script-fu, and running in a gimp instance? 15:45:35 Xach: If you developed a bot that reliably processed posts for Planet Lisp, you'd be uber-marketable. 15:45:38 nope, perl...i always thought gimp's scheme was very opaque and both user- and developer-hostile 15:46:00 Xach: Not implying that you're not uber-marketable now. 15:46:06 now that i know a bit of scheme i think i was right 15:46:50 the scripts in gimp are good examples of "you can write fortran in any language" 15:47:07 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:47:50 Xach: why remove blogs at all if they don't write anything else? or are you concerned about polling to many empty blogs? 15:47:54 wow 15:49:41 eMBee: I think it looks bad if there are a bunch of inactive blogs listed. one option is not to list the blogs at all, but i prefer to keep active blogs and remove inactive ones. 15:49:41 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@58.62.106.238] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50:08 the inactive metric doesn't always work, as in the jochen schmidt case just now. 15:50:08 gaidal [~gaidal@58.62.106.238] has joined #lisp 15:50:45 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@58.62.106.238] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:51:02 gaidal [~gaidal@58.62.106.238] has joined #lisp 15:52:07 hmm, i don't know how the planet code works, could you include blogs without listing them? (ie they are not in the list, but if they do have a post it will show?) or make a second planet with all the inactive blogs (and include that in the main planet, then it would only be one entry in the listing :-) 15:52:25 gavinharper [~gavinharp@dyn3-82-128-186-148.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #lisp 15:52:36 eMBee: i like your first thought. i'll look into it. 15:54:33 entrix_ [~entrix@128.68.58.66] has joined #lisp 15:54:43 teggi [~teggi@123.20.58.106] has joined #lisp 15:55:13 Phooodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 15:55:59 -!- pferor` [~user@119.Red-2-137-149.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:56:55 -!- Phoodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:58:26 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.166.109] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:58:50 I wrote a endless recursive function due to error in limit cond;this results in my kill inferior lisp buff and restart slime,I try C-c C-c that 15:59:15 doesnt works,is there any better method? 15:59:32 Xach: I like the idea of including-without-listing -- call the sidebar "Featured Members" or something 15:59:38 xach: is the code for planet lisp available somwwhere? 16:01:41 eMBee: an old snapshot is at http://xach.com/lisp/newscluster.tgz i think. 16:02:46 i think i would do it differently if writing from scratch these days 16:02:55 -!- gavinharper [~gavinharp@dyn3-82-128-186-148.psoas.suomi.net] has quit [] 16:02:58 Xach: Perhaps the list could be automatically managed, showing the most active blogs over the last year 16:03:28 Or the last ; then people might be incited to post by not wanting to drop off :-) 16:03:41 (whereas if you do it manually it's bothering Xach on their part) 16:04:53 ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 16:05:03 Xach: what about not listing the blogs directly, except for "most active" list, and a full one somewhere else? 16:05:03 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@58.62.106.238] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:05:41 gaidal [~gaidal@58.62.106.238] has joined #lisp 16:06:23 I think something like that could work nicely. 16:06:42 then the same manual process would be to manage that 'active' list, instead of managing subscriptions, so it would not be any extra effort at least... 16:07:01 other than the effort to set it up and add new blogs in two places... 16:07:42 dlowe_ [~dlowe@digital.sanctuary.org] has joined #lisp 16:08:04 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 16:08:13 -!- chenbing [~user@218.72.95.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:08:15 Listing the blogs by order of activity is much too simple. I prefer a NLP based solution that emulates Xach's blog reading preferences. 16:08:20 no, no manual process other than adding it initially and removing the most moribund 16:08:37 on the code: i am interested in how you tie the python feedparser into lisp. 16:09:36 eMBee: the feed parser emits files with sexps 16:09:45 xach: that's what i mean: adding blogs would become : add to subscriptions and to active list, removing moribund would become: remove from active list (instead of remove from subscriptions) 16:09:54 ah, nice 16:10:20 eMBee: no, the "active" list would be automagic. moribund would then mean totally, irrevocably dead (like if they switch from CL to Scheme) 16:11:01 ah, well, that is even better 16:11:09 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d855949.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 16:11:58 i would be more inclined to do it all in lisp these days 16:12:06 there's much less "creativity" when it comes to feeds now 16:12:34 and i understand the available lisp tools more 16:14:29 chenbing 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I have the option of sticking with CL or finishing a php rewrite I started. 18:19:57 I really want to stick with CL, and things have really improved, like with QL and other libraries. 18:20:22 Is there likely to be anything I'll run into that I can't do with CL on a web app? 18:20:51 I'm considering a proxy in case I need to route some requests to php, but I've only used 'pound'. 18:20:52 jmckitrick: you are much less likely to find an existing library for an arbitrary thing in CL 18:21:18 -!- nikodemus [~Nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:21:18 -!- nikodemus` [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:21:49 like an rss/atom feed parser for example... 18:21:49 Xach: yes, I'm pretty aware that can be a challenge. Though the core functionality I needed is all there. 18:21:59 -!- anvandare [~anvandare@78-22-144-56.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:22:19 I've found CL to be a very pleasant environment for actually writing new software. 18:22:59 I really like it as well, though the project could use a bit of a facelift. And it turned out the hunchentoot upgrade was painless after all. ;-) 18:23:06 -!- gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:23:24 phew 18:23:32 I want to be able to tell my partners I can pretty much do anything we need to with CL. 18:23:45 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-244-180.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 18:23:51 But if I run into something I cannot do, it seems to me that a proxy server with apache/php could fill in the gaps, right? 18:23:57 Is that reasonable, or a stretch? 18:24:49 Reasonable. 18:25:01 -!- situ [~quassel@223.191.91.161] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:25:07 jmckitrick: Your question has too few constraints. You can do anything in CL, it's simply a question of how quickly. 18:25:37 ThomasH: Point taken. My favorite answer to that question is 'everywhere is walking distance if you have the time.' 18:25:44 You then also have the option of building parts of the system in other languages, and gluing the whole thing together with web service interfaces. 18:25:51 jmckitrick: i use that for my site. i use nginx on the frontend and selectively handle resources directly (for image and javascript and plain html files), proxy to php (for some old stuff i don't want to rewrite), or proxy to lisp (for new stuff i've made) 18:26:13 In a nutshell, I'm pretty much the CTO, so it's my call, but I want to make sure I make a rational decision, not just for my passion for CL. 18:26:16 nikodemus` [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 18:26:56 http://xach.com/nerd-name/ is PHP but http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/search?q=rhodes&sort=of is lisp 18:27:11 Xach and nyef : that's pretty much the approach I probably going to take. I've seen scripts for daemonizing hunchentoot and ngenix is a big win as well. Wasn't around when I started the project. 18:27:32 jmckitrick: If you had a CL implementation of 0MQ -> http://www.zeromq.org/ , you could use whatever language is most convenient for each task. 18:27:41 I don't bother daemonizing. I just kick off a screen session from rc.local. 18:28:06 I used detachtty before. 18:28:21 ThomasH: there's one 18:28:21 Assuming it doesn't crash and need to be restarted.... 18:28:31 p_l: Sweet, hadn't seen that. 18:29:27 What do you guys know about coretal, made with CoreServeR, by a CL developer in Turkey? It seems very advanced, but quite unconventional as well. 18:29:53 p_l: Hadn't looked at that site for a while, that's awesome that there is a zmq package now. 18:30:10 jmckitrick: a rather weird UCW spinoff, afaik 18:30:39 p_l: yes, that's what I gather as well. 18:31:00 jmckitrick: i couldn't persuade them to merge or rename their forks of thirdparty libraries. that was a roadblock to including it in quicklisp. 18:31:55 Xach: I took a look at it, and you can either join the site and link in their 'services' or d/l and build the entire package. It looked like an amazing body of work. But not sure how much of it is necessary. 18:32:03 ... for what I need. 18:32:37 Though RESTAS might be worth checking out as well. 18:33:39 Well, with a support community like CL, I think I'll take the plunge and stick to CL. 18:34:12 And if I must, I can use nginx to handle exceptions. 18:37:36 -!- am0c [~am0c@222.235.56.158] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:37:47 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-103-172.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:37:49 ikki [~ikki@189.247.143.98] has joined #lisp 18:38:31 gotta run, guys. ttyl, and thanks! 18:38:32 -!- jmckitrick [~user@108-77-157-187.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38:41 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d855949.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: benkard] 18:39:30 -!- dlowe_ [~dlowe@digital.sanctuary.org] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 18:39:52 anvandare [~anvandare@78-23-213-129.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 18:39:57 -!- BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:42:12 stratobacker [~user@c-98-202-137-87.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:43:33 RomyEatsDrupal [~stickycak@ool-ade567c0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 18:43:37 The_third_bug [~The_third@ram94-12-78-234-200-168.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:43:37 -!- The_third_man [~The_third@ram94-12-78-234-200-168.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:46:13 dlowe_ [~dlowe@digital.sanctuary.org] has joined #lisp 18:46:47 katesmith_ [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has joined #lisp 18:47:03 rme [~rme@50.43.151.225] has joined #lisp 18:47:50 -!- katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:48:27 ThomasH: there are two, actually. 18:48:34 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.194] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:48:53 galdor made a new set of bindings, because the original author of cl-zmq was MIA. 18:49:49 -!- alvis [~alvis@tx-71-2-120-116.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:50:43 he also wrote m2cl which is a lisp->mongrel2 interface. 18:50:45 I think galdor also wrote m2cl, a cl back end for the mongrel2 webserver, I have a toy project in it and enjoy it 18:50:57 I've used both, and they work well. 18:51:15 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:52:33 lutok [~user@ip98-169-240-101.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 18:54:37 nonduality [~nondualit@chello084114039189.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 18:55:53 -!- lutok [~user@ip98-169-240-101.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:01:25 entrix [~entrix@95-25-92-218.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 19:04:00 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 19:04:36 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 19:04:47 -!- osa1 [~sinan@141.196.58.223] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:06:44 -!- pchrist_ [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:07:19 -!- EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@host63.190-31-135.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:10:16 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d855949.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 19:12:10 -!- entrix [~entrix@95-25-92-218.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:11 BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has joined #lisp 19:14:17 -!- The_third_bug [~The_third@ram94-12-78-234-200-168.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:22:38 drks [~drks@76.73.16.26] has joined #lisp 19:22:42 hello. is it possible to call lamba recursively, and if it is how? 19:22:54 yes, using the y combinator. 19:23:44 drks: but in practice, in CL, you'd use LABELS. 19:24:18 instead of recursion? I want to recursively iterate a tree 19:24:28 clhs labels 19:24:57 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.20.58.106] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25:48 ah ok, thanmks 19:25:50 thanks* 19:26:05 or just a defun 19:26:20 eg.: (mapcar (labels ((f (x) ...)) (function f)) list) 19:27:06 Fade: Thanks, stepped out for a minute. 19:27:12 -!- nikodemus` [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:28:02 drks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaphoric_macro#Defining_anaphoric_macros 19:28:09 Check out the alambda 19:28:20 entrix [~entrix@128.68.91.68] has joined #lisp 19:29:14 interesting! 19:29:19 drks: :) 19:29:56 It basically does what pjb suggested: only provides a (in my opinion) more elegant way of going about it 19:31:00 -!- anvandare [~anvandare@78-23-213-129.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:32:06 yes, I like the look 19:32:16 are aif alambda etc part of any commonly used library? if not I'll put them in my own 19:32:35 drks: there is a library called anaphora 19:32:51 ... Why, oh why, do people keep reinventing anaphoric macros? 19:32:54 *Xach* almost always prefers explicit binding 19:33:30 I believe Clojure has some middle ground, lambda functions where you can specify a name 19:33:52 (fn [x] (* x x)) and (fn self [x] ...) 19:34:24 cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.194] has joined #lisp 19:34:51 Also if anyone is good with Wikipedia, do add to the article 19:36:18 why would you use alambda over labels? 19:36:50 -!- benny [~benny@i577A115F.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:37:00 (nlambda f (x) (if (zerop x) 1 (* x (f x)))) could expand to (labels ((f (x) (if (zerop x) 1 (* x (f x))))) (function f)); it's a trivial macro. 19:37:38 Fade: matter of taste 19:37:44 I note that you can't declare such a macro to be dynamic-extent. 19:37:49 Err... such a lambda. 19:37:53 well, labels is built in. 19:39:22 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.190.39.231] has joined #lisp 19:41:57 I never remember to us IT when looping. 19:42:50 The main problem of anaphoric, is that they don't embed well. 19:43:10 pjb: Just like in linguistics ;) 19:44:26 anvandare [~anvandare@78-23-215-167.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 19:45:05 when I first came to lisp, I thought iterate was the business, but dragging that dependency everywhere prior to quicklisp quickly taught me to stop worrying and love loop. 19:46:33 I periodically look at iterate and decide that it is nice, but I can get by with LOOP. 19:50:00 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-70-21.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 19:50:26 benny [~benny@i577A2EEF.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 19:57:11 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:57:26 -!- Bahman [~Bahman@2.144.214.67] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:57:37 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-103-172.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 19:58:14 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 20:01:15 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:02:06 nikodemus [~Nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 20:03:32 -!- entrix [~entrix@128.68.91.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:07:03 klltkr [~klltkr@dsl78-143-210-29.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:11:27 -!- pterygota [~me@cpe-76-188-7-196.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:17:38 -!- RomyEatsDrupal [~stickycak@ool-ade567c0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: RomyEatsDrupal] 20:17:38 -!- stickycake [~stickycak@ool-ade567c0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: stickycake] 20:20:37 -!- nikodemus [~Nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:25:01 nikodemus [~Nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 20:29:04 petercoulton [~petercoul@cpc1-midd16-2-0-cust160.11-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 20:29:08 -!- petercoulton [~petercoul@cpc1-midd16-2-0-cust160.11-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:15 jmckitrick [~user@108-77-157-187.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:32:34 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:46 -!- ThePawnBreak [~quassel@94.177.108.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:34:43 cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.194] has joined #lisp 20:35:39 dnolen_ [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:35:59 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:35:59 -!- dnolen_ is now known as dnolen 20:36:41 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:37:14 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 20:38:30 -!- dlowe_ [~dlowe@digital.sanctuary.org] has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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I mostly don't use FFI, and even then rarely to anything other than libc, SBCL runtime, or a DSO that I've built myself, so I don't know enough to care either way. 21:44:31 Fade: e.g. you install as dependency and compile a CL library that loads (:or "libfoo.so.3" "libffi.so.2") while having libfoo2 installed 21:45:20 some time after, you run a system update that installs libfoo3 and removes libfoo2, and your CL bindings start segfaulting 21:45:56 what is the solution for that particular problem? 21:46:11 because now CFFI loads libfoo.so.3, but the code was compiled against libfoo.so.2 and ASDF can't detect this dependency change 21:46:16 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:46:58 Wait, wait... The ABI changes in some fashion? 21:47:15 yes, happens often 21:47:27 But the API remains the same? 21:47:56 not necessarily 21:47:59 libffi just changed from 5 to 6 21:48:25 and LiamH just hard-coded libffi.so.5 into CFFI, which I don't have locally 21:48:29 LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-166-81.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:48:39 speaking of the devil 21:49:03 so... what is the correct way to handle that situation? 21:49:56 Surely you need a different set of bindings if the API changes? 21:49:58 the correct way would be to resolve libfoo.so to libfoo.so.X at CL compile-time, but that can't be done portably 21:50:35 ... You can't get a handle on the library and ask for the soname? 21:50:40 so the least annoying thing is to load libfoo.so and remove all fasls every time you "apt-get update" or equivalent 21:50:59 nyef: nope, not in POSIX 21:51:00 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 21:51:32 Fade: at least that way you avoid maintaining an ever increasing list of SONAMEs 21:51:41 with libssl it would be pure madness 21:51:50 the SONAMEs around are dozens 21:52:12 Mmm... Okay then. 21:52:21 hrmn 21:52:37 -!- nikodemus [~Nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:53:07 (iter (for x ...) (cond ... (t (maximize x))) <- this is suppose to work right? for some reason my iter returns nil 21:53:09 oconnore [~Eric@68-116-172-147.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #lisp 21:53:21 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-11-115.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 21:53:26 paste the actual code 21:53:28 ( maximize is nested in cond ) 21:53:32 What about grovelling for the possible SONAMEd libraries over the LD_LIBRARY_PATH? 21:54:12 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:54:27 ("Oh, we're looking for libssl, and here is libssl.so.57, which matches the soname-pattern for libsssl...") 21:54:46 nyef: LD_LIBRARY_PATH is an optional linker feature 21:54:47 *Fade* stumbles across Jochen Schmidt's IOlib article 21:54:55 Fade: what ?? 21:55:06 http://blog.codeartist.org/2011/11/iolib-considered-harmful-to-lisp-today.html 21:55:08 nyef: the default list is somewhere in /etc and varies by OS 21:55:13 Okay, so there's also no portable way to determine what the library search path? 21:55:16 nope 21:55:18 ... is. Forgot an is. 21:55:31 Lovely. 21:55:43 gack 21:55:53 it's amazing that ffi code ever works at all... 21:55:55 the way the linker works is quite unspecified 21:56:03 So, anybody written an implementation of SSL in CL? 21:56:56 the crux of his point seems to be that iolib is biased to the free CL implementations. 21:57:03 I could, of course, write such a thing, but I'd have to start reading the sources of libc implementations 21:57:07 I guess he likes lispworks. 21:57:15 haahaha 21:57:44 nikodemus [~Nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 21:58:59 ah, lispworks on OSX 21:59:31 many people seem fond of it, from what I've seen at past conferences 21:59:46 i've heard many people speak well of lispworks 22:00:09 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 22:00:21 petercoulton [~petercoul@cpc1-midd16-2-0-cust160.11-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 22:00:44 but it seems a little odd to say that IOlib is bad for lisp because its biased toward lisp implementations that are available freely to everybody, and excludes the kids paying for the proprietary lisp full of stuff that excludes everybody else. 22:01:47 -!- Phoodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:02:02 Phoodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:04:03 benkard_ [~benkard@mnch-4d04e672.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 22:04:03 -!- Phoodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04:14 nyef: one could make a small helper that compiles a dummy program & links it to said library, then reads the ELF headers looking for the relevant entry 22:04:33 but sooner or later that will break somewhere 22:04:50 ... like on some system that uses MACH-O instead of ELF? 22:05:07 precisely 22:05:09 :D 22:05:37 wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-154-15.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:05:49 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-154-15.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:06:54 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04c63b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:06:54 -!- benkard_ is now known as benkard 22:07:07 *Fade* wanders off to become inebriated at a party 22:07:12 have a good evening, folks. 22:07:19 cheers 22:07:22 Have fun. 22:07:48 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-159-209.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:08:05 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-159-209.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:09:43 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-154-15.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 22:09:57 -!- wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-154-15.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:10:59 ok why isn't this work. I am recursively iterating through the tree, and trying to find biggest integer. 22:12:43 http://paste.lisp.org/display/126090 22:12:46 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-154-15.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:12:52 http://paste.lisp.org/display/126090 22:12:56 sorry for repeating 22:13:04 marijn` [~user@p5DDB374C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 22:13:19 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:14:07 (MAXIMZE (MAX-INT X)), surely? 22:14:27 Alternately, move the MAXIMIZE to outside the COND. 22:14:29 ah right 22:14:37 yes, thanks 22:14:40 -!- katesmith_ [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:15:02 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@iburst-41-213-41-64.iburst.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:15:19 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-154-15.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:17:48 -!- nikodemus [~Nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:32 If that's not it, by the way, I'm going to bow out, as you're using some ITER thing that I'm unfamiliar with. 22:18:33 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 22:18:46 that was it 22:19:00 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:19:39 you can use maximize, collect etc at any depth in iterate, if that's what you meant 22:20:26 on the upside, jochen schmidt is the first one to say that iolib is "well documented" :D 22:20:51 No, I meant "you're using ITERATE, which I've never even LOOKED at". 22:20:58 nikodemus [~Nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 22:21:38 fe[nl]ix: Does that mean it isn't, or that he's the first to actually comment about it? 22:22:14 it's not, I can't immagine how he came to that conclusion :) 22:22:16 nonduality [~nondualit@chello084114039189.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 22:23:13 katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has joined #lisp 22:23:25 Maybe he has a version from the future, in which there actually IS good documentation? 22:24:20 :D 22:24:47 And, if so, would he mind forwarding it to the rest of us...? 22:25:33 maybe he just looked at the roc, iirc it looks pretty impressive :) 22:25:40 toc, even 22:26:58 hahaha 22:30:29 -!- petercoulton [~petercoul@cpc1-midd16-2-0-cust160.11-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:31:19 maybe he meant the tutorial by Peter Keller 22:32:57 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:38:30 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.190.39.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:40:16 alvis [~alvis@tx-71-2-120-116.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 22:44:39 -!- marijn` [~user@p5DDB374C.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 22:50:16 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:50:28 any conferences in jan 2012? 22:50:51 nope 22:50:55 either spring or autumn 22:51:11 ok. 22:51:58 usually either april-may or october-november 22:54:12 oconnore1 [~Eric@68-116-172-147.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #lisp 22:54:54 Special Issue on "Stream Ciphers" in the journal CCDS, Springer (Stream Ciphers), Kolkata, India, December 31-December 31, 2011 22:55:04 hm looks interesting, i've got an open ticket. 22:55:50 yet again its in march 2012 22:56:30 -!- oconnore [~Eric@68-116-172-147.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:57:59 pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has joined #lisp 23:00:08 is (declare (ignore)) legal? 23:01:40 duomo [~duomo@cpe-69-204-168-90.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:01:47 empty list in ignore. it works sbcl, but maybe it would break on other implementations 23:07:47 jbalint [~jbalint@173-203-201-241.static.cloud-ips.com] has joined #lisp 23:07:54 hi 23:08:20 drks: the syntax allows zero or more 23:08:27 see http://l1sp.org/cl/ignore 23:08:27 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:08:40 thanks 23:08:49 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:08:59 lutok [~user@ip98-169-240-101.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 23:09:39 -!- nikodemus [~Nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:11:36 -!- Bahman [~Bahman@2.144.214.67] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:12:59 resu [~resu@97.72.154.166] has joined #lisp 23:15:09 ramusara [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 23:15:59 ... "clos du bois"? 23:16:53 ... and, while I think of it, is there anything going on in relation to BLM next month? Or later this month? 23:20:36 -!- entrix [~entrix@89-178-88-122.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:43 Cloud_ [~cbp@187.193.246.90] has joined #lisp 23:21:41 clos du bois? 23:21:52 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 23:23:07 nikodemus [~Nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 23:23:23 Saw it on a wine bottle, was amused by the first bit. 23:23:53 *slyrus* prefers Les Clos 23:24:02 I'm sure someone can come up with a suitable backronym for the rest to make a decent project name. 23:24:21 -!- nonduality [~nondualit@chello084114039189.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:24:44 Umm... That almost sounds like you're advocating the use of DEFSTRUCT. d-: 23:25:24 rtypo [~rtypo@unaffiliated/rtypo] has joined #lisp 23:28:56 -!- elliottcable is now known as mr_fuggles 23:33:11 benkard_ [~benkard@mnch-4d04f8a4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 23:36:05 -!- rtypo [~rtypo@unaffiliated/rtypo] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:36:14 -!- nikodemus [~Nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:36:40 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04e672.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:37:15 nikodemus [~Nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 23:38:01 -!- benkard_ [~benkard@mnch-4d04f8a4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:38:31 -!- mr_fuggles is now known as ec 23:42:24 fe[nl]ix: does iolib.syscalls::parse-name-and-options need updating? It looks like it calls cffi::foreign-name with a string argument. 23:44:18 ... why are they called "strings", anyway? 23:44:44 knuth knows but he ain't saying 23:45:56 *nyef* has this mental image of characters encoded as knots on a piece of string... In ASCII. 23:46:29 nyef: that sounds like some kind of synaesthesia thing 23:47:09 As if braille isn't? 23:48:08 i wonder what proto-language had the first string literals 23:48:37 nikodemus: Akkadic ;) 23:48:43 A REVOLUTIONARY ADVANCE 23:49:42 -!- drwho [~drwho@c-68-81-125-196.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:53:13 The_third_man [~The_third@ram94-12-78-234-200-168.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 23:53:56 ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 23:54:38 drwho [~drwho@c-68-81-125-196.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:57:34 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 23:58:53 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-237-231.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp