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provide input, what am I missing? http://paste.lisp.org/+2P9G 01:56:31 One of finish-output or force-output 01:56:34 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 01:57:07 oh, ok 02:02:49 tic [~tic@c83-249-198-162.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 02:05:00 mathslinux [~user@119.255.44.227] has joined #lisp 02:08:07 kenjin2201 [~kenjin@163.152.84.68] has joined #lisp 02:14:14 You'll want finish-output here -- force just kicks off the flushing process. 02:14:27 stratobacker [~user@c-98-202-137-87.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:15:13 cmpitg [~cmpitg@113.190.230.249] has joined #lisp 02:17:35 -!- entrix [~entrix@95-28-126-215.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:17:43 sty [~quassel@bas2-toronto61-2925081417.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 02:18:25 kevin_ [~kevin@178.160.38.119] has joined #lisp 02:18:26 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:19:03 -!- kevin_ [~kevin@178.160.38.119] has quit [Read error: Connection 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has joined #lisp 04:03:49 -!- cmpitg [~cmpitg@113.190.230.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:04:23 -!- el-maxo [~max@p57A56093.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:04:29 qeed [~qeed@adsl-98-85-39-183.mco.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 04:04:32 cmpitg [~cmpitg@113.190.230.249] has joined #lisp 04:04:47 -!- iDespera` [~user@219.137.208.229] has quit [Client Quit] 04:05:05 is there a short one liner to remove the last element of a list? 04:08:29 qeed, reserve, cdr, reverse? .... 04:09:05 butlast/nbutlast? 04:09:16 thanks 04:10:21 thats standard across all lisp right? 04:11:21 butlast 04:13:11 -!- Deathaholic [~Mococa@189.115.254.243.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:13:14 You can find it in the hyperspec, yes. 04:13:25 ok thanks 04:14:12 Cloud_ [~cbp@187.193.195.90] has joined #lisp 04:14:22 -!- cmpitg [~cmpitg@113.190.230.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:14:51 cmpitg [~cmpitg@113.190.230.249] has joined #lisp 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[~qsun@66.220.3.138] has joined #lisp 05:22:55 chrnybo [~user@148.122.202.244] has joined #lisp 05:23:46 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.4.64] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:25:07 -!- anvandare [~anvandare@78-23-212-26.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:25:25 Good morning. Do you usually have a form for doing an assert on a recently let'ed var? 05:26:25 -!- antgreen [~user@bas3-toronto06-1177890206.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:26:34 sellout- [~Adium@75-25-126-88.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:27:58 e0 [sub@ink.os.sg] has joined #lisp 05:30:09 rvrebane [~rvrebane@valjapaas.vkhk.ee] has joined #lisp 05:33:08 -!- wws [~billstcla@p-74-209-19-10.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:33:20 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 05:38:17 anvandare [~anvandare@78-22-149-144.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 05:40:05 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-148-239.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:40:07 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-148-239.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:40:22 -!- peddie [~peddie@repl.esden.net] has quit [Quit: peace!] 05:42:26 (let ((var (or thing (error "Awwww.")))) ) 05:43:53 peddie [~peddie@repl.esden.net] has joined #lisp 05:47:26 Shaftoe [~Moe111@modemcable037.54-22-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 05:47:51 is there a function or an idiomatic way to merge two p-lists 05:48:05 append? 05:48:17 so that (merge '(:a 1 :b 2) '(:b 1)) => '(:a 1 :b 1) 05:48:33 kinda overwrites if exists, appends otherwise. 05:48:41 that is just a space optimization over append 05:49:00 Phoodus: yeah, I'm trying to avoid ending up with lists litered with many many duplicates 05:49:04 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 05:49:33 unless, maybe it's futile to try and do that? 05:50:06 I haven't done a little one-liner to do that, but it should be easy enough 05:51:13 take the newer list, and destructively modify the old list if the key is found, else append it 05:51:32 -!- chp [~chp@c-68-45-180-238.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:51:38 would be a pretty easy way to go about it 05:51:50 it should, yes. 05:51:54 a function would be easy. 05:52:02 a single liner would be epic =) 05:52:27 You would have to handle merging of the values though. What if they are different? 05:52:39 second list overwrites. 05:52:49 my example above shows. 05:52:55 (setf (getf plist symbol) new-value) will overwrite the old value in plist, or append a new key if needed 05:53:17 Sorry, didn't see the example. Saw the question and jumped to the end. 05:53:54 jacius: that's what I'm talking about. 05:54:09 I wrote a merge-plists function, but it's embarrassingly bad. I'm still pretty new to CL. 05:54:19 cfy [~cfy@218.75.17.75] has joined #lisp 05:54:19 -!- cfy [~cfy@218.75.17.75] has quit [Changing host] 05:54:19 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 05:56:40 -!- rvrebane [~rvrebane@valjapaas.vkhk.ee] has quit [Quit: time to go..] 05:57:13 Here's my version, though I'm sure it can be improved a lot: https://gist.github.com/1390715 05:58:12 chp [~chp@c-68-45-180-238.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:59:56 -!- mcox [~user@140.253.50.113] has left #lisp 06:02:36 -!- dru1d [~lukasz@ip-82-177-172-217.net.azartsat.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:04:13 wws [~billstcla@p-69-195-49-19.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 06:04:17 -!- billstclair [wws@clozure-468AA503.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 06:06:26 cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.194] has joined #lisp 06:07:21 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:07:21 -!- qeed [~qeed@adsl-98-85-39-183.mco.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:16:56 as programmers, we really need to create a new lingo that puts the word "framework" on the same connotation as "tool" 06:17:05 so that I can say things like "that guy is such a framework" 06:17:12 and have it mean "that guy is such a tool" 06:17:31 and that, folks, is how much I dislike frameworkitis 06:18:14 jacius: this is a case where loop would be much clearer than do*. i'd even argue that do* and do are the worst of common lisp's iteration idioms, but that is certainly a matter of taste. 06:19:10 H4ns: I agree, loop would be much clearer. But I didn't know how to use loop yet, when I wrote that code. :) 06:19:36 jacius: where did you learn about do* before loop? 06:20:34 I don't recall. It was either On Lisp or PCL. 06:22:12 -!- lusory [~bart@bb115-66-195-54.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:22:47 -!- ASau [~user@89-178-95-171.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:23:19 jacius: (loop for (key value) on plist by #'cddr do ...) is one of the good use cases for loop. 06:23:50 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 06:24:05 H4ns: Yes, I just updated my gist with that :) 06:24:06 jewel [~jewel@196-209-248-92.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:24:07 jacius: there is alexandria:doplist, for later. 06:25:15 jacius: that looks much better. 06:26:42 it may be useful to know that for duplicate keyword /arguments/, the first one prevails (thus eliminating a common potential use case for plist merging) 06:29:36 or use a hashtable instead of a plist if it's just to hold data :-P 06:29:43 akovalenko: yes, also getf conveniently ignores duplicates after the first one. 06:29:52 so functionality wise, it already works. 06:30:07 it's just that working with code that passes around ever growing p-lists can be an eye sore when debugging. 06:31:16 benkard [~benkard@141.84.69.67] has joined #lisp 06:31:56 nicdev [~user@c-76-24-21-219.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:34:45 Phoodus: Is there a merge-hash function somewhere? 06:35:36 lusory [~bart@bb115-66-195-54.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 06:37:55 (defun nmerge-hash (destination &rest sources) 06:37:55 (dolist (new sources destination) 06:37:55 (maphash (lambda (key value) 06:37:55 (setf (gethash key destination) value)) new))) 06:38:16 -!- zenlunatic [~justin@c-68-48-40-231.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:38:37 zenlunatic [~justin@c-68-48-40-231.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:38:45 akovalenko: (dolist (new (reverse sources) destination) would be right 06:40:10 Xach: the github project feed is bomb 06:40:12 well, it depends on what you expect, and when some hashes are destructively merged into first one, I would expect later ones to have priority. Maybe it's just me 06:40:22 akovalenko: you came late to the party :) 06:40:53 ah, and i can't read 06:40:59 i rest my case. 06:41:00 :) 06:41:47 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.204.209] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 06:43:05 it's a good illustration how an utility function can be easy to implement but hard to get right (so its contract is obvious from its name, it brings no surprises etc.) 06:45:58 *jacius* waves. Bed time. 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11:35:25 -!- drdo [~drdo@85.207.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:36:28 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.165.195] has joined #lisp 11:37:32 -!- Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:44:09 H4ns: in the southern california sense or the middle eastern sense? 11:45:07 Xach: in the california sense. :) 11:45:57 Xach: sorry for the bad picture. it is great! 11:48:13 quek [~read_eval@router1.gpy1.ms246.net] has joined #lisp 11:50:03 Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #lisp 11:56:00 hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 11:57:15 -!- Cloud_ [~cbp@187.193.195.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:00:04 thanks, i really like it too 12:00:34 i used to use the clnet new projects feed the same way, except for clnet, the projects always said "this is a placeholder page" at first 12:05:57 agumonkey [~agu@139.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 12:06:10 -!- hakzsam 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(not flaming) 12:36:40 madnificent: because zsh has "ls **/*.lisp" 12:36:50 madnificent: /msg H4ns 12:37:04 pjb, H4ns: thanks 12:37:12 But of course, **/*.lisp is not entirely off topic :-) 12:38:25 juniorroy [~dima@212.36.228.103] has joined #lisp 12:38:33 Joreji [~thomas@93-034.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 12:41:26 zsh has a potential to become on-topic eventually: (1) programmable zle, (2) zsh/net/tcp and socket modules together make it possible to have a constantly running Lisp image integrated into your shell, without intermediate processes and with full support in line editor 12:42:30 -!- benkard [~benkard@002608dc9535.dfn.mwn.de] has quit [Quit: benkard] 12:43:39 akovalenko: actually, that *would* be awesome... being able to write lisp scripts at the prompt could really help me from time to time. well not help, but make me less angry ;-). at least, if both could easily communicate with each other. shelisp was an approach for that, but it continously failed to work here. 12:44:39 zlime looks like a good name for such a project :-/ 12:45:00 it'll likely use swank as a backend, i guess 12:45:48 madnificent: there's clash for that. 12:46:05 Writing a swank protocol client in shell/zsh is not something that looks right to me... 12:46:47 -!- tarmil [~user@business-178-48-18-229.business.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:46:55 OTOH, many things from swank are useful for Lisp side 12:48:43 nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-144-138.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 12:48:57 G'morning all. 12:49:50 -!- agumonkey [~agu@139.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:50:13 -!- juniorroy [~dima@212.36.228.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:50:29 juniorroy [~dima@212.36.228.103] has joined #lisp 12:54:49 benkard [~benkard@002608dc9535.dfn.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 12:56:47 -!- otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:00:14 -!- markskilbeck [~Mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 13:03:20 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@94.116.98.4] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:06:52 arauko [~araujo@190.73.44.29] has joined #lisp 13:07:00 -!- arauko [~araujo@190.73.44.29] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:54 *Xach* is super excited 13:08:42 oudeis [~oudeis@94.116.98.4] has joined #lisp 13:08:52 Xach: Turkey day? 13:09:01 (Lamb day here, apparently.) 13:09:24 qrcode day 13:09:38 *Xach* is helping cl-qrencode author work out portability kinks 13:09:41 Ah. 13:09:53 ... what about a decoder? 13:10:11 Or should we not go there? 13:14:51 pjb: if you're talking about clisp as a shell: i think it's best to ensure that everything from the shell normally works, but that you can escape to lisp when wanted. using lisp instead of a normal shell language will likely require writing some libraries to make work easier. 13:15:23 madnificent: it's the opposite: everything's lisp unless you escape it to the shell. :-) 13:15:53 pjb: yes, i don't want it that way 13:15:53 But otherwise, I agree, nothing can't be solveed with the right amount of libraries. 13:16:52 MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-154-188.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 13:17:23 *Xach* is going to write a system tool in CL today 13:17:41 What system tool? 13:17:41 what kind of tool? 13:17:59 -!- benkard [~benkard@002608dc9535.dfn.mwn.de] has quit [Quit: benkard] 13:18:26 I have a bunch of projects that need new formal releases, and I am going to write something that makes the process I used in the past easier. 13:18:42 One step instead of six. 13:19:00 Six is ok when it's done once every two months but I need to do ten releases this weekend. 13:20:18 a general repository of scripts which lisp users have used for administration purposes would be cool 13:20:45 hmm, once every to months seems to be a local optimum, after longer time i might forget what those steps are and then a tool would be useful too :-) 13:21:02 lnostdal [~Lars@ti0030a380-dhcp0111.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 13:22:34 All other open-source projects may use quicklisp's release cycles as a "clock signal for orderly hacking". But Xach himself has a dangerous power to postpone quicklisp updates :-) 13:23:48 yes, we should blame Xach, he has too much power. death to quicklisp! 13:24:00 (please don't kill quicklisp) 13:24:41 Xach: thank you for taking care of chipz (bzip2 decompression works on SBCL now), but it seems that "taking git head just this time" won't be enough. I don't see anything past 0.7.4 on chipz page... 13:26:27 on a different topic: would someone be willing to criticize this small program and point out where i could do things better or different? http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Simple_database#Common_Lisp 13:27:31 -!- spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:27:40 eMBee: (cdr (assoc should be something more descriptive 13:28:02 eMBee: First thing that comes to mind is the (defvar db nil) should probably have earmuffs on db. 13:28:14 *akovalenko* would be tempted to have (defun make-episode (&rest args &key ...) args) 13:28:18 eMBee: the logic in compare-date seems convoluted 13:28:36 benkard [~benkard@002608dc9535.dfn.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 13:28:59 ok 13:30:17 eMBee: putting then/else clauses of an if into the same line as the if is unreadable. 13:30:58 Not always unreadable, but it's rarely done in practice. 13:30:59 silenius [~silenius@i59F766E6.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 13:31:15 no, only (if <> ) is really unreadable 13:31:29 on (cdr (assoc you mean something like (defun get-value (key alist) (cdr (assoc key alist))) ? 13:33:05 I see an (rplacd (assoc ...) (cons ...)), shouldn't that be a PUSH? Further, you can then define (SETF GET-VALUE)... 13:33:30 (format t "~{...~}" (sublis episode '(series season episode title date tags))) ;; hmm 13:33:40 akovalenko: if the condition is not an atom, putting the then clause onto the same line also is hard to read. in general, i'd recommend not doing it ever. 13:34:35 Whatever happened to --help? 13:35:31 Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 13:35:48 nyef: which --help, sbcl's? then --help is a runtime option, so it won't work after --no-userinit, for example 13:36:11 otherwise, nothing seems to have happened. 13:36:27 Cloud_ [~cbp@187.193.195.90] has joined #lisp 13:36:28 But that's perfect! It'd then get passed to the user program in *posix-argv*... 13:37:38 *eMBee* is busy implementing the sugestions... 13:39:41 akovalenko: your suggestion on make-episode, &rest args puts all the arguments into args, right? but will that look like an alist? 13:39:47 H4ns: I find (if (a mildly short form) :foo :bar) readable enough. 13:40:27 eMBee: that wasn't really a suggestion, sorry. And it would make a plist (which I have a reason to prefer here, btw) 13:40:28 akovalenko: fair enough. that's the "in general" thing. 13:42:12 spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 13:42:22 well: i looked at plists too, and at least from reading PCL, alists seem to be more flexible 13:43:36 i have been looking for a way to get all the arguments in a list though, so the thought is helpful. with that i could walk the list and convert it into an alist... 13:43:59 eMBee: or you could just make episode a class with proper accessors. 13:44:14 eMBee: what I like in plists over alists is that I can (apply (lambda (&key ..)) alist) to destructure it.. 13:44:35 ..adding &allow-other-keys or :allow-other-keys t when needed 13:45:13 eMBee: i understand that this is a sample only. still, using lists as a substitute for structures or objects is not a good example usage of lisp. 13:46:47 well, actually one of the points of using lists is that i can easely save the whole data as a text file, and manipulate it. with a class that becomes harder. but i will probably try that when i learn more about clos 13:47:20 eMBee: it may be harder, but not hard. use make-load-form/make-load-form-saving-slots. 13:47:28 there is also defstruct, which has an advantage of being printable readably without extra effort. 13:48:39 *eMBee* nods. i'll keep that in mindfor sure 13:53:58 H4ns: on the logic in compare-date, that's an attempt at comparing two lists like (1 2 3) (1 2 4), i got that snipped from stackoverflow. would be happy to improve that 13:54:01 eMBee: doing (defstruct episode (series season episode title date tags)), we get (1) printability, (2) readability, (3) make-episode -- for free, all at once 13:54:43 No, you'd get an error. 13:54:55 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@94.116.98.4] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:54:55 pjb: yep 13:54:56 You'd have to do (defstruct episode series season episode title date tags) for your expected results. 13:55:55 akovalenko: indeed, defstruct is simple enough. i'll look into it, thanks 13:56:23 -!- spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:57:45 -!- aliasxerog [~mveety@plns-66-33-248-181-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:01:10 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-33-157-58.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:01:11 eMBee: why does compare-date check the type of the arguments in the way that it does? is it ever getting passed non-dates? if so, why? 14:01:28 superflit [~superflit@71-33-157-58.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 14:01:40 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-jbrumuzozqbwzoiw] has joined #lisp 14:01:51 -!- naryl [~weechat@213.170.70.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:02:51 ramusara [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:03:14 gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 14:03:31 no, it should not get non-dates 14:03:40 eMBee: if compare-dates was to operate on dates only, maybe could it be written as (some #'< date-a date-b)? 14:04:09 eMBee: if it should never get non-dates, it is better not to cater for that case. 14:04:32 true, however dates may be non-numeric, such as month names... 14:04:49 so just < would not do 14:04:50 DD.MM.YYYY is worse than yyyy-mm-dd (ISO 8601) 14:05:41 yead, if the year is at the end, it's not possible to tell if it's dd.mm.yyyy or mm.dd.yyy 14:05:42 y 14:05:48 heh, format-ymd should be named format-dmy, right? 14:05:51 right, but for that i need to rotate all the dates in the current data, although that is doable 14:06:06 eMBee: well, then parse the dates and store a parsed, unified representation rather than deferring the problem to the comparison function. 14:06:16 indeed :-) 14:06:21 -!- gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:06:43 that was for akovalenko 14:06:55 eMBee: FYI, multiple-value-bind discards extra values silently, so day-of-weeks and the rest may be dropped 14:07:15 H4ns: i want to keep the data mostly human readable, so i like the month names in there 14:07:46 akovalenko: yes, i put that there as documentation formyself so i know what else i can do with that 14:07:57 eMBee: how does compare-date work with month names in your implementation? 14:07:59 humans are diverse enough in their preferred date formats, but I suspect that anyone is able to read month numbers 14:08:34 akovalenko: 0 meaning january? 14:09:16 H4ns: unfortunately, it's too late to make humans relearn to zero-based numbering of /everything/ 14:09:47 ..otherwise I would encourage that (together with exclusive-upper-limits) 14:09:47 gko [gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 14:09:49 Which is the month and which is the day for 11/5 ? Or 5/11? 14:09:56 H4ns: it doesn't, that's in a version that i haven't published yet. i added a lookup function that takes a string and returns an appropriate number 14:10:02 nyef: ask your fellow americans :) 14:10:19 H4ns: no, never consult americans on that topic! 14:10:20 H4ns: As a British citizen, I can't. d-: 14:10:22 11/11/11 was a great day of Date Format Reconciliation :) 14:10:48 akovalenko: that was a very long time ago, though 14:10:49 eMBee: you are asking us to review stuff, then tell us that we are reviewing something outdated. thanks. 14:10:57 S1am [~guest@eth-209.20-homell.natm.ru] has joined #lisp 14:11:22 LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-166-81.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:11:37 the date thing is the only other change, sorry, forgot about that one, you are right, should have updated first 14:11:57 spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 14:14:25 updated now 14:14:59 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-jbrumuzozqbwzoiw] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:15:06 more type checks. bah. 14:15:24 heh 14:15:53 well, one extra check for int 14:16:04 right. sucks. 14:16:13 suggestions? 14:16:19 don't do it. 14:16:38 parse your dates when they are entered rather than storing then and then trying to cope with invalid dates when it is too late. 14:18:18 well, the problem started with the initial data in that format before the program was written 14:18:56 are you dealing with a data format that you cannot change? if not, write a program that migrates it for you. 14:19:36 markskilbeck [~Mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 14:19:37 i could migrate, just explaining why the code is written that way 14:20:05 you could just write a good program, too. that especially makes sense if you want to show how a language is properly used. 14:21:01 spradnyesh [~pradyus@117.192.59.79] has joined #lisp 14:21:11 i mean, you can do whatever you want, but you asked for reviews, so here you are. if i'd be your teaching instructor or co-worker, i'd ask you to fix the data. 14:21:12 rvrebane [~rvrebane@valjapaas.vkhk.ee] has joined #lisp 14:21:56 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:21:59 right, exactly, thank you. especially for this case it makes a lot of sense, so i'll work on that. but just for arguments sake, asuming the data could not change, would there any better way to handle the date? 14:23:05 convert it to something sane when reading it, rather than try to deal with it at run time. 14:24:08 *eMBee* nods 14:25:25 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@117.192.59.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:25:36 actually, any new date already needs to be numeric otherwise (parse-date) will be unhappy 14:26:58 akovalenko: what was your thought on (format t "~{...~}" (sublis episode ... ? 14:35:14 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:35:16 or was that related to using alists vs something else? 14:36:37 splittist [d417faa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.23.250.166] has joined #lisp 14:36:47 morning 14:37:09 Hello, splittist. 14:38:31 nyef: Hi!. What impossible things are you trying unsuccessfully not to work on today? 14:39:12 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-33-157-58.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:39:25 superflit [~superflit@71-33-157-58.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 14:42:02 Getting a 3.2GHz PPC Linux box. 14:42:49 eMBee: (sublis episode '(series ...)) is for alists, and it turns it to list of episode's fields without repeated (cdr (assoc...)). there's only aesthetical difference here... 14:43:01 -!- Cloud_ [~cbp@187.193.195.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43:40 Currently looks doable, but not doable today. 14:43:46 and ~{..~} in format string is useful when you go from a lot of format arguments to a single argument holding the list of their former values.. 14:44:33 -!- H4ns [5b3d5496@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.61.84.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:44:35 akovalenko: ah, i seel, well, i like the aesthetics, especially if it makes the code more readable 14:44:59 eMBee: but I expect many people to find sublis version less readable than repeated (cdr (assoc...)) 14:46:00 it's uncommon to have a literal list of symbols as a "tree" argument for sublis; and using sublis is pretty uncommon by itself.. 14:46:04 tugosavi [~tugosavi@203.187.209.107] has joined #lisp 14:47:02 am0c [~am0c@222.235.56.158] has joined #lisp 14:47:38 oh, hmm 14:47:42 Cloud_ [~cbp@187.193.195.90] has joined #lisp 14:48:41 well, when i use a structure then the whole thing changes anyways. and i am using a selfdefined function (get-value) now 14:48:59 -!- froggey is now known as doggey 14:49:36 eMBee: (sublis '((jan . 1) (feb . 2) (mar . 3) (apr . 4) (may . 5) (jun . 6) (jul . 7) (aug . 8) (sep . 9) (oct . 10) (nov . 11) (dec . 12)) 'jan) ;; also works 14:49:52 -!- doggey is now known as froggey 14:50:02 readers of your code will hate you for using sublis twice, but they will get educated! 14:50:56 heh 14:52:48 well, this being on rosettacode, H4ns has a good point about doing this well 14:53:33 http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Simple_database#Common_Lisp is now updated, with a few of the easy suggestions, will work on others like date and structure later. thanks you all so much 14:53:35 -!- Cloud_ [~cbp@187.193.195.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:53:39 akovalenko: exactly! 14:53:58 hi splittist 14:54:47 Xach: I hope you managed your time in Erp without having to buy a beer 14:55:30 (there are also other small things that i forgot to post earlier (like the use of *load-truename* to find the datafile) 14:56:16 ..is there any portability wrapper for dumping images, startup hooks, that kind of thing? trivial-save-lisp-and-die or something? 14:58:20 aliasxerog [~mveety@plns-66-33-248-181-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net] has joined #lisp 14:58:33 happy thanksgiving guys 14:59:42 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 14:59:58 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-xnhvroozcffzjcwz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:00:04 splittist: i did. just a few heinekens. 15:04:26 waltwhite [~waltwhite@113-9-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr] has joined #lisp 15:04:43 -!- waltwhite [~waltwhite@113-9-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 15:05:45 antgreen [~user@bas3-toronto06-1177698358.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 15:06:48 -!- benkard [~benkard@002608dc9535.dfn.mwn.de] has quit [Quit: benkard] 15:07:54 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.165.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:09:59 ymas [~ymas@unaffiliated/ymas] has joined #lisp 15:10:34 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:10:37 ccorn_ [~ccorn@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has joined #lisp 15:12:07 -!- ccorn_ [~ccorn@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:12:22 ccorn [~ccorn@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has joined #lisp 15:17:29 bozhidar` [~user@93-152-182-45.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has joined #lisp 15:17:29 -!- bozhidar [~user@93-152-182-45.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:18:06 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:18:52 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.204.209] has joined #lisp 15:20:33 -!- aliasxerog [~mveety@plns-66-33-248-181-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:23:42 -!- elliottcable is now known as notelliottcable 15:27:50 -!- xan_ [~xan@155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:27:50 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-33-157-58.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28:02 superflit [~superflit@71-33-157-58.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:29:37 hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 15:31:26 theBlackDragon_ [~theBlackD@77.109.98.120] has joined #lisp 15:32:45 -!- silenius [~silenius@i59F766E6.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: bbl] 15:34:30 fmeyer [~fmeyer@200-170-114-39.user.ajato.com.br] has joined #lisp 15:38:01 -!- theBlackDragon_ [~theBlackD@77.109.98.120] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 15:40:37 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@72-255-120-241.client.stsn.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 15:43:55 -!- rvrebane [~rvrebane@valjapaas.vkhk.ee] has quit [Quit: time to go..] 15:44:52 ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has joined #lisp 15:45:50 -!- lnostdal [~Lars@ti0030a380-dhcp0111.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:47:07 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:49:19 lnostdal [~Lars@ti0030a380-dhcp0111.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 15:50:18 X-Scale [email@2001:470:1f14:135b::2] has joined #lisp 15:50:28 -!- chenbing [~user@115.205.0.36] has left #lisp 15:51:00 lnostdal_ [~Lars@ti0030a380-dhcp0111.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 15:51:00 -!- lnostdal_ [~Lars@ti0030a380-dhcp0111.bb.online.no] has quit [Client Quit] 15:51:44 -!- lnostdal [~Lars@ti0030a380-dhcp0111.bb.online.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52:00 lnostdal [~Lars@ti0030a380-dhcp0111.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 15:52:03 -!- setmeaway [~setmeaway@119.201.52.190] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:52:12 ivan4th [~ivan4th@smtp.igrade.ru] has joined #lisp 15:52:31 chenbing [~user@115.205.0.36] has joined #lisp 15:54:01 is there a few turkeys in Thanks given day? 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16:27:37 -!- chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-31-250.lns2.dea.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:29:11 madnificent: Constructing finite state systems from specifications. The idea is to analyze them (in the next 2 years). The thing I like most is that I can use macros in my specifications. The whole stuff is then compiled to MTBDDs. 16:30:20 nonduality [~nondualit@chello084114039189.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 16:33:12 nicdev [~user@c-76-24-21-219.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:34:08 Neronus: yeah, it's nice to adapt an interface to the problem you're having :) the specifications will be in an s-expression syntax then? 16:34:24 Neronus: or do you convert the specs to s-expressions and work from there on? 16:34:34 madnificent: The first 16:34:39 cool 16:34:41 former 16:34:59 And the idea is to use the normal lisp REPL to actually see what your specifications mean. Writing specs is hard 16:35:22 khubiab [~khubiab@119.152.166.136] has joined #lisp 16:36:07 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:36:11 it could be a helpful tool, indeed 16:36:36 Joreji [~thomas@93-034.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 16:42:33 aliasxerog [~mveety@plns-66-33-248-181-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net] has joined #lisp 16:43:19 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@2.129.121.203] has joined #lisp 16:43:27 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@78-1-162-132.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:44:47 -!- markskilbeck [~Mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:45:23 -!- pon1980 [~pon@195-67-88-105.customer.telia.com] has left #lisp 16:45:34 ignas [~ignas@85-206-22-190.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 16:48:20 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 16:48:20 urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-214-16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 16:49:58 -!- splittist [d417faa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.23.250.166] has quit [Quit: Nighty night] 16:50:49 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-170-75.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 16:54:00 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 16:54:37 -!- aliasxerog [~mveety@plns-66-33-248-181-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:54:54 kami [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has joined #lisp 16:55:12 Hello 17:01:43 hello 17:03:19 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 17:03:46 ThomasH [46822acb@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has joined #lisp 17:03:58 Greetings lispers, Happy Thanksgiving! 17:04:12 jewel [~jewel@196-209-248-92.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:04:12 bsod1 [~sinan@88.242.137.91] has joined #lisp 17:04:23 well, i haven't been given anything...... 17:04:41 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:04:55 lol 17:05:26 -!- hagish_ [~hagish@p5DCBD72D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:05:33 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 17:05:37 ThomasH_ [46822acb@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has joined #lisp 17:05:43 Connection fail. 17:06:07 well you didn't miss my joke...... 17:06:15 -!- ThomasH [46822acb@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:06:16 hagish_ [~hagish@p5DCBD72D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:06:20 -!- ThomasH_ is now known as ThomasH 17:06:48 homie: Joke fail? 17:07:02 jep, now in 1000 pieces...... 17:07:06 lol 17:08:24 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@200-170-114-39.user.ajato.com.br] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:08:56 fmeyer [~fmeyer@200-170-114-39.user.ajato.com.br] has joined #lisp 17:09:01 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:09:51 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 17:11:11 -!- trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:13:52 -!- anvandare [~anvandare@78-22-149-144.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:17:29 -!- hagish_ [~hagish@p5DCBD72D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:17:49 rme [~rme@50.43.151.225] has joined #lisp 17:20:44 Indecipherable [~IceChat77@41.27.26.159] has joined #lisp 17:21:11 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@58.62.106.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:21:20 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:21:43 Prolog is interesting... 17:22:16 Lycurgus [~juan@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:22:40 markskilbeck [~Mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 17:23:24 anvandare [~anvandare@78-22-149-144.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 17:23:41 -!- khubiab [~khubiab@119.152.166.136] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23:54 khubiab [~khubiab@119.152.166.136] has joined #lisp 17:24:50 swi-prolog ? 17:24:55 edinburgh ? 17:25:04 gprolog ? 17:25:29 edinburgh is a standard. Swi is an implementation... 17:25:34 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 17:25:41 Any prolog 17:26:05 ah 17:26:36 i missed that one, that edinburgh is a standard, i always thought it was the first implementation or so..... 17:26:41 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:27:03 in the context of this channel "prolog" would generally have one of two connotations 17:27:11 "pure prolog" or an implementation 17:27:17 the former could be in lisp 17:27:28 s/former/latter 17:27:28 Let's focus on SWI-prolog then 17:27:29 there is one in on-lisp 17:27:48 but i'm not sure i could get it to work, neither tried it actually.... 17:27:57 it seemed like something was broken ... 17:28:04 there are probably more than a 100 lisp implementations of prolog 17:28:08 jacius [~jacius@c-24-13-89-230.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:28:13 at varying degrees of development 17:28:15 ok, then i just saw one 17:29:11 swi's oop is mixed with smalltalk not ? 17:29:25 no 17:29:47 hmmm 17:29:48 it uses a GUI XPCE but doesn't have an object system as such 17:29:56 the GUI is OOP 17:30:21 well that's it, and the xpce is either based on or imitates some smalltalk like interface 17:30:33 a standard CS object system doesn't really make sense in prolog 17:31:14 but there are various attempts to render something like one 17:31:18 I saw a little example of an implementation of lisp in prolog 17:31:25 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 17:33:44 gaidal [~gaidal@58.62.106.238] has joined #lisp 17:34:08 Lycurgus: well, an OO system doesn't really make sense in a lot of programming languages either. 17:35:07 -!- anaumov [~anaumov@opensuse/member/Alexander-Naumov] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:28 -!- spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Quit: spacefrogg_] 17:38:51 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 17:39:16 Why isn't there a regex in Prolog? Or won't it make sense? 17:41:03 -!- e-user [e-user@nat/nokia/x-fjfmjcghyspdsngl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:41:35 -!- stickycake [~stickycak@ool-ade56352.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:43:47 tbatchelli- [~user@c-71-198-214-67.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:44:04 -!- tbatchelli- [~user@c-71-198-214-67.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:44:16 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 17:44:55 -!- ignas [~ignas@85-206-22-190.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:47:19 -!- markskilbeck [~Mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 17:47:49 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-71-187.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 17:50:37 -!- Pip [~Pip@unaffiliated/pip] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:51:00 Pip [~Pip@unaffiliated/pip] has joined #lisp 17:54:50 -!- khubiab [~khubiab@119.152.166.136] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:55:10 khubiab [~khubiab@119.152.166.136] has joined #lisp 17:55:11 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:55:29 Indecipherable: there are regexp libraries written in Prolog. 17:55:51 Like? 17:58:52 chp [~chp@c-68-45-180-238.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:00:59 coyo [~unf@pool-71-164-238-90.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:01:00 -!- coyo [~unf@pool-71-164-238-90.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:01:00 coyo [~unf@unaffiliated/bandu] has joined #lisp 18:01:12 -!- bsod1 [~sinan@88.242.137.91] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:42 bsod1 [~sinan@88.244.9.28] has joined #lisp 18:01:54 -!- Joreji [~thomas@93-034.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:02:18 stickycake [~stickycak@ool-ade56043.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 18:04:54 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@151-91-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:05:25 Indecipherable: you'd have to ask on #prolog. I don't know its ecosystem. 18:05:30 I only know probabilities. 18:06:04 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.81.252] has joined #lisp 18:06:29 -!- Blkt [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:09:15 Only 29 people on #prolog. lol 18:09:25 -!- setmeaway [~setmeaway@119.201.52.190] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:04 setmeaway [setmeaway3@119.201.52.190] has joined #lisp 18:11:36 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-166-81.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:12:07 oudeis [~oudeis@92.40.254.71.threembb.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:14:10 -!- Indecipherable [~IceChat77@41.27.26.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:14:11 -!- bozhidar` [~user@93-152-182-45.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17:42 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:23:38 -!- c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-jobjopbfiwrljaek] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:24:54 scottj [~scott@206.212.250.58] has joined #lisp 18:26:24 markskilbeck [~Mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 18:28:35 drdo [~drdo@85.207.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 18:28:50 pnathan [~Adium@dsl231-034-016.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 18:30:32 pjb, acknowledged. 18:33:46 and regex can and has been done in prolog, it's just kina stupey to do so on anything other than an incidental basis 18:34:25 should say char pattern recognition, rather than regex per se 18:35:44 *Lycurgus* didn't see till he went to #prolog that Indecipherable war verschwunden. 18:37:23 bsod1_ [~sinan@88.244.231.13] has joined #lisp 18:38:13 -!- bsod1 [~sinan@88.244.9.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:39:55 -!- sellout- [~Adium@75-25-126-88.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:40:07 sellout- [~Adium@75-25-126-88.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:40:31 holycow [~holycow@host-64-151-208-2.bchsia.in2net.net] has joined #lisp 18:40:53 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 18:41:00 regex and prolog in the same sentence always becomes a hot debate 18:41:48 Harag [~phil@wbs-41-208-196-101.wbs.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:42:57 not in the case where I'm required to keep it going it doesn't 18:43:14 so mehbe almost always 18:43:23 hehe :) 18:44:45 i started googling i have a prolog chatbot that users want to use perl regex.. so i was putting off writing one.. so started googling for one.. and can find only myself and others debvating the merits of such heresy 18:45:29 minus first three word of that 18:47:09 hey awesome! "SWI-Prolog's XPCE library has a regex object that you can use to process regular expressions." now i know 18:48:36 -!- holycow [~holycow@host-64-151-208-2.bchsia.in2net.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:49:56 Indecipherable [~IceChat77@41.28.173.234] has joined #lisp 18:49:59 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-209-248-92.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:50:59 pferor` [~user@119.Red-2-137-149.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 18:51:35 -!- pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:53:59 pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has joined #lisp 18:54:47 -!- pferor` [~user@119.Red-2-137-149.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:54:51 -!- pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has quit [Client Quit] 18:55:09 pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has joined #lisp 18:59:59 -!- bsod1_ [~sinan@88.244.231.13] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:00:01 acml [~user@217.131.182.227] has joined #lisp 19:00:19 bsod1 [~sinan@88.244.231.13] has joined #lisp 19:02:34 ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 19:02:45 mmauryc [~mmmau@cpe-69-201-143-154.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:04:25 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181056239.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:07:45 -!- xan_ [~xan@155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:13:04 khubaib [~khubiab@119.152.166.136] has joined #lisp 19:13:49 -!- khubiab [~khubiab@119.152.166.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:16:53 -!- tugosavi [~tugosavi@203.187.209.107] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18:58 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 19:22:05 sacho [~sacho@92-247-246-203.spectrumnet.bg] has joined #lisp 19:28:14 nikodemus [~Nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 19:29:49 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:31:21 superflit_ [~superflit@71-33-157-58.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:31:34 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-33-157-58.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:31:35 -!- superflit_ is now known as superflit 19:32:29 LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-166-81.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:35:08 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 19:35:27 has anyone here gotten cl-webkit running on ubuntu? i'm running into issues with glibconfig.h not being found, even though it exists (but probably not where it wants it to be) 19:35:35 -!- benny [~benny@i577A3895.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:35:37 the problem isn't exactly lisp-related, the library is 19:40:13 madnificent: if it uses cffi-grovel, try setting cffi-grovel::*cc-flags* to something like ("-I/path/to/header") 19:44:23 -!- nikodemus [~Nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:44:32 killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 19:48:22 -!- rgrinberg [~rudi@24.52.246.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:48:43 cpc261 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has joined #lisp 19:49:57 -!- cpc261 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has quit [Client Quit] 19:50:01 akovalenko: that worked, though i'll need to do it for many libraries it uses, it uses a different directory naming scheme. is there, perhaps, a function i could alter to make it search in a correct path? 19:50:52 it searches in /usr/include/libname/ where ubuntu seems to store it in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libname/include 19:51:11 -!- cpc26 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:51:18 madnificent: there is a pkg-config executable that should be able to print all needed compiler flags when asked 19:52:24 akovalenko: i have less knowledge of this than you're currently assuming, what? 19:52:58 If I were to hack several lisp libraries which should rely on pkg-config, I would add a subclass of cffi-grovel:grovel-file that would capture pkg-config's output and bind *cc-flags* in its :around method appropriately 19:53:35 *madnificent* hasn't used cffi-grovel (nor cffi) 19:53:45 pkg-config glib-2.0 --cflags ;; that's how it's supposed to be run 19:53:56 nikodemus [~Nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 19:55:06 akovalenko: they didn't :) but the remark right above saying "this should be auto-generated" is a hint :) 19:56:05 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-136-207.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:56:48 well, running an external program and *capturing its output* is hard enough to do portably across all cffi targets. It would be a good start; it has to be done before pkg-config can be used, anyway 19:57:00 wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-179-221.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:57:04 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-179-221.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:57:37 tirinim. 19:57:56 any lisp conferences in near future? 19:58:50 akovalenko: thanks for helping me out :) i now have an error in a c file, that seems more like it :) 19:59:05 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-136-207.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:59:23 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.204.209] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:59:35 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:59:38 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.204.209] has joined #lisp 20:00:21 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:01:51 v0|d: http://european-lisp-symposium.org/ 20:01:57 -!- stickycake [~stickycak@ool-ade56043.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02:05 stickycake [~stickycak@ool-ade56043.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 20:03:25 fe[nl]ix: hey fe[nl]ix! 20:03:34 fe[nl]ix: thnx, hope you'r doing fine. 20:03:40 -!- wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-179-221.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:03:43 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-179-221.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:04:15 -!- khubaib [~khubiab@119.152.166.136] has quit [] 20:04:17 akovalenko: guess it uses a different webkit version than what ubuntu gives me, i get errors which seem related to the functions the api exports (but i don't know enough of it to be sure), thanks though 20:04:40 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.204.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:05:35 -!- daimrod [~daimrod@sbrk.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:06:39 -!- Indecipherable [~IceChat77@41.28.173.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:07:06 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-142-11.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:08:03 -!- pnathan [~Adium@dsl231-034-016.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:08:16 qeed [~qeed@adsl-98-85-59-217.mco.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 20:08:25 is mapcar evaluation left to right? 20:08:42 milanj [~milanj_@178-223-149-21.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 20:09:29 qeed: (cons (f (car a)) (mapcar f (cdr a))), left associative i suppose. 20:09:50 pnathan [~Adium@dsl231-034-016.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 20:09:51 s0ber_ [~s0ber@114-36-232-74.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:09:57 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-179-221.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:10:10 -!- SidH_ [~SidH@203.101.61.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:10:21 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-234-121.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:10:27 qeed: the clhs doesn't say anything special about it, so it should be left to right 20:10:29 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 20:10:31 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-179-221.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:10:56 ok thanks, in this case i need the ordering 20:12:25 -!- pnathan [~Adium@dsl231-034-016.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:13:04 mishoo__ [~mishoo@79.112.111.6] has joined #lisp 20:13:07 ASau [~user@89-178-201-27.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 20:13:41 all function's arguments are evaluated left to right. see CLHS 3.1.2.1.2.3 "The subforms in the cdr of the original ..." 20:13:57 good 20:15:00 -!- acml [~user@217.131.182.227] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:15:07 -!- resu [~resu@97.72.154.166] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:37 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.111.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:17:45 Does anyone know how to run MCL from the terminal? 20:19:30 -!- sellout- [~Adium@75-25-126-88.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:21:46 pnathan [~Adium@c-76-104-155-253.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:21:50 -!- gko [gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:24:16 nialo- [~nialo@pool-74-106-122-193.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:25:49 -!- pnathan [~Adium@c-76-104-155-253.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:25:50 -!- hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:26:14 Stupid questions: I know about Google, still do we have anything for Android? 20:29:10 ASau: check planet.lisp.org, top post :) 20:29:59 in other words: we don't really have something top notch, but if you want to spend time on it, then ccl on android will likely gain traction. 20:31:06 -!- sacho [~sacho@92-247-246-203.spectrumnet.bg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:32:59 -!- nonduality [~nondualit@chello084114039189.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:33:21 There's also the possibility that some SBCL maintainer might get their paws on an android device and decide to do a port... 20:38:59 -!- stickycake [~stickycak@ool-ade56043.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39:38 stickycake [~stickycak@ool-ade56043.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 20:40:40 nyef: non-ECL implementations are rather unwieldly on android 20:40:48 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 20:41:16 (well, theoretically LW and ACL would work fine, as they can be used to make DLLs. But Android environment isn't nice to code that doesn't fit) 20:41:22 daimrod [~daimrod@sbrk.org] has joined #lisp 20:41:37 SidH_ [~SidH@203.101.61.7] has joined #lisp 20:42:28 -!- nikodemus [~Nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:42:40 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.111.6] has joined #lisp 20:42:46 -!- daimrod [~daimrod@sbrk.org] has quit [Client Quit] 20:42:49 sellout- [~Adium@75-25-126-88.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:43:37 -!- gensym [~user@dslc-082-082-099-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:43:37 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@2.129.121.203] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:44:13 -!- mishoo__ [~mishoo@79.112.111.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:44:51 nikodemus [~Nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 20:45:05 daimrod [~daimrod@sbrk.org] has joined #lisp 20:46:34 -!- ThomasH [46822acb@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:48:07 superflit_ [~superflit@71-208-212-67.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:49:01 -!- fridim_ [~fridim@78.250.226.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:50:44 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-33-157-58.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:50:44 -!- superflit_ is now known as superflit 20:51:47 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 20:52:20 -!- milanj [~milanj_@178-223-149-21.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:58:15 -!- __class__ [~class@99-105-56-217.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:02:30 *Xach* wonders about the latest github project 21:03:05 -!- Pip [~Pip@unaffiliated/pip] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:03:51 Pip [~Pip@unaffiliated/pip] has joined #lisp 21:04:47 -!- Pip [~Pip@unaffiliated/pip] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:27 sacho [~sacho@90-154-150-53.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 21:07:30 gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 21:07:43 is there something like return from C? where it just exits the existing procedure with a value? 21:07:57 -!- anvandare [~anvandare@78-22-149-144.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:08:00 qeed: check out return-from 21:08:02 im trying to return from a loop by doing (return nil) but it doesnt seem to return from the function 21:08:04 and block & return 21:08:13 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/s_ret_fr.htm 21:08:32 qeed: loops set up an implicit block named NIL, which RETURN returns from 21:08:45 oh 21:08:47 to return from the function, you can use its name in return-from 21:10:18 thanks 21:10:20 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-71-187.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 21:10:22 you're welcome (: 21:11:55 pnathan [~Adium@c-66-235-46-34.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 21:12:47 -!- sacho [~sacho@90-154-150-53.btc-net.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:13:04 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:13:59 -!- nialo- [~nialo@pool-74-106-122-193.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:14:42 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 21:15:22 -!- stickycake [~stickycak@ool-ade56043.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: stickycake] 21:20:26 anvandare [~anvandare@78-21-50-76.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 21:20:52 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 21:21:25 turko [turko@190.186.37.84] has joined #lisp 21:22:31 -!- turko [turko@190.186.37.84] has left #lisp 21:22:47 -!- nicdev [~user@c-76-24-21-219.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:23:35 luis: around? 21:23:51 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 21:24:52 Somewhat off-topic: but for those who haven't seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1sXuHnf_lo , there you go 21:26:44 Quadrescence: diaf 21:26:56 CaZe_ [~CaZe@unaffiliated/y354c] has joined #lisp 21:27:09 gabnet [~gabnet@245.23.67.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 21:27:35 -!- CaZe [~CaZe@unaffiliated/y354c] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:27:38 -!- CaZe_ is now known as CaZe 21:27:51 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 21:29:48 lutok [~user@ip98-169-240-101.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 21:30:43 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@200-170-114-39.user.ajato.com.br] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:31:29 Tharem [~sabayonus@dsl-213-233-192-219.solcon.nl] has joined #lisp 21:31:30 __class__ [~class@99-105-56-217.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:32:16 /clear 21:32:27 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-163-225.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:55 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 21:34:16 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@92.40.254.71.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:34:57 Snaffu [~Snaffu@oh-69-34-16-39.sta.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 21:35:42 -!- pnathan [~Adium@c-66-235-46-34.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:37:04 Is someone else here having trouble getting slime to play nice with el-get? 21:37:25 For me it chokes when trying to build the documentation 21:37:32 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:39:26 -!- scottj [~scott@206.212.250.58] has left #lisp 21:39:42 What is el-get? 21:39:56 oudeis [~oudeis@92.40.254.71.threembb.co.uk] has joined #lisp 21:40:27 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:41:04 A kind of package manager that automatically downloads packages for emacs from repositories, keeps them up to date etc 21:41:25 It should get the sources directly from the git mirror of the CVS that Slime uses 21:41:42 But even if I tell it to use the CVS I get the same problem 21:42:20 And building the documentation by calling make also fails 21:43:28 pnathan [~Adium@c-66-235-46-34.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 21:43:47 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:55 The point at which it fails is when the makefile invokes texi2pdf on slime.info 21:44:29 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-208-212-67.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:44:44 Tharem: do you have any trouble if you get slime directly? 21:45:17 I haven't tested that yet. Be back in a moment 21:45:32 slyrus: you wait years for clx users to pop out of the woodwork, then four of them come at once 21:46:09 -!- coyo [~unf@unaffiliated/bandu] has quit [Quit: Heaven isnt a place, Bartleby, it's being with people who love you.] 21:47:01 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.28.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:47:23 Yep, getting it fresh from the CVS repository also yields the same problem 21:47:39 -!- chp [~chp@c-68-45-180-238.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:48:47 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 21:52:23 benkard [~benkard@141.84.69.67] has joined #lisp 21:52:35 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #lisp 21:55:20 The problem seems to be either in texi2pdf or in lisp.info. I altered the makefile to call texi2pdf in debug mode, but I absolutely cannot read the resulting trace 21:55:54 DaDaDosPrompt [~DaDaDosPr@75-163-225-197.clsp.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:01:56 puchacz_ [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 22:03:42 -!- pnathan [~Adium@c-66-235-46-34.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:04:07 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:04:13 -!- antifuchs [~foobar@care.boinkor.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 22:06:03 Bike [~Glossina@71-214-98-190.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:06:07 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:06:43 antifuchs [~foobar@care.boinkor.net] has joined #lisp 22:09:11 Cloud_ [~cbp@187.193.195.90] has joined #lisp 22:09:46 -!- gabnet [~gabnet@245.23.67.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 22:10:25 -!- Tordek [tordek@supporter.blinkenshell.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:14:30 Tordek [tordek@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-oczahanyaxiasbfc] has joined #lisp 22:14:47 Tharem, what kind of machine was this? Debian? 22:15:09 Sabayon 22:16:50 fmeyer [~fmeyer@201.87.5.103.user.ajato.com.br] has joined #lisp 22:17:46 pnathan [~Adium@c-66-235-46-34.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 22:18:39 Rpg, I do have slime running, but I'd like to have a local copy of the documentation as well, and that's giving me headaches 22:19:23 I had a problem building SBCL on Debian that sounds similar: the texi2dvi was not properly configured, so it couldn't find texinfo.tex, and the make target for the manual failed. 22:19:30 -!- Snaffu [~Snaffu@oh-69-34-16-39.sta.embarqhsd.net] has left #lisp 22:19:59 I took a copy of texinfo.tex and put it in the SBCL manual directory with the sources, and then it built correctly. 22:20:22 I was too lazy to figure out how to fix the underlying texi2pdf configuration problem. Maybe this would work for you, too? 22:23:16 -!- ramusara [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 22:23:43 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@201.87.5.103.user.ajato.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:25:57 -!- Harag [~phil@wbs-41-208-196-101.wbs.co.za] has left #lisp 22:28:52 Hmm I'll try that tomorrow, Thanks for the idea 22:28:59 -!- Tharem [~sabayonus@dsl-213-233-192-219.solcon.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:32:45 drdo` [~drdo@85.207.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 22:34:23 -!- drdo [~drdo@85.207.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:34:27 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.157.149] has joined #lisp 22:36:51 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-170-75.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40:28 -!- benkard [~benkard@141.84.69.67] has quit [Quit: benkard] 22:42:28 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 22:43:35 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 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