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I have them both installed and working, I just don't know how to get anything returned. any thoughts? 01:55:57 I haven't heard of anyone using mod_lisp in years. 01:56:34 mod_lisp is super old and not a great idea 01:56:55 :-) I was starting to come to that conclusion 01:57:37 I'm using it with lighttpd, what would you suggest? I don't need to return html, just setting up a web service 01:57:59 msmith1: i use reverse proxying to hunchentoot 01:58:09 nginx in front, hunchentoot in the back 01:58:15 drake01 [~drake01@unaffiliated/drake01] has joined #lisp 01:58:18 I do the same, but with lighttpd. 01:58:47 cool, I try that. just had a hard time installing it with asdf 01:58:58 -!- H4ns [57bd6f41@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.189.111.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:59:02 msmith1: it's fairly easy with quicklisp 01:59:18 -!- xan_ [~xan@221.Red-2-138-190.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:59:23 Xach: i'll give it a shot, thanks 02:02:49 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:03:14 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 02:05:49 -!- crassus [~crassus@96-42-254-21.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:05:53 drake01__ 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[~jdz@193.206.22.97] has joined #lisp 07:51:41 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.210.70] has joined #lisp 07:51:50 chenbing: try: (eql 'ql:system-apropos 'ql-dist:system-apropos) 07:51:55 -!- ravster [~user@184.175.28.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:52:12 chenbing: and try: (values (symbol-package 'ql:system-apropos) (symbol-package 'ql-dist:system-apropos)) 07:52:12 07:55:03 Yes exaclty the same object,the specifaction in quicklisp has a little litteral differenct 07:55:11 -!- RomyEatsDrupal [~stickycak@ool-ade560d8.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: RomyEatsDrupal] 07:55:57 -!- bbsch [~bbs@c-67-173-0-18.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has left #lisp 07:56:10 replore [~replore@203.152.213.161.static.zoot.jp] has joined #lisp 07:56:47 I don't understand your second conjunction. 07:57:53 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-35.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 07:59:04 bbsch [~bbs@c-67-173-0-18.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:00:09 I mean the instruction in website of quickLisp is littly 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09:16:48 chenbing: (mapcar #'pprint (list 1 2 3 4)) => (NIL NIL NIL NIL) 09:17:32 and if you mapc anything with lambda, most of the time DOLIST is even better (sometimes it isn't) 09:18:34 em,exellent clearify by akovalenko 09:19:20 chenbing: you can also read clhs mapc 09:22:52 patience_ [~patience@101.161.148.5] has joined #lisp 09:22:59 pjb-: I already have a HyperSpec by lispworks,I am reading http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_mapc_.htm 09:24:16 I'd expect anyone to read clhs mapc /before/ asking, but with a strong enough language barrier, it isn't always easy to understand. In this instance CLHS is pretty clear, however, and the phrase "mapc is like mapcar except..." is very simple. 09:24:29 -!- LordPatience [~patience@CPE-58-168-73-247.lns4.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:25:50 some days ago ,with regards to sbcl and Hyperspec,I am not sure whether I haved download sbcl's source.How can I judge? 09:26:35 chenbing: why do you /need/ SBCL source? And if you need it and you're unsure if you downloaded it, just download it again and be sure. 09:27:45 akovalenko: when I was a javaer,it's useful read sun api's resource 09:28:18 chenbing: I seem to recall a discussion concerning logical pathname of "SYS:SRC;" and navigating to SBCL source. Was it with you?.. 09:29:21 I don't find SBCL sources too helpful to figure out how something works (but very useful to figure out why something fails :) 09:31:24 And for standard CL functions, SBCL sources of them can't tell you much on how it /should/ work, i.e. on its /contract/ -- only how SBCL developers decided to do it. CLHS is way better here. 09:32:49 Having a standard that is distinct from any particular implementation makes huge difference here -- that's why exploring the internals may be more frequently useful in java (though I don't really know) 09:33:37 Yes It's me .There should be a record ,let me check them 09:34:43 rvirding [~chatzilla@c-3c90e255.56-4-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 09:37:01 hagish [~hagish@pD9FBE0C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 09:37:47 patience__ [~patience@CPE-121-213-214-201.lns16.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 09:38:33 H4ns [5ce7de6d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.231.222.109] has joined #lisp 09:38:40 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:38:44 cesarbp [~cbolano@187.193.181.76] has joined #lisp 09:39:30 -!- patience_ [~patience@101.161.148.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:41:21 akovalenko: Your opion about fmapc in Hspec is accurate 09:42:53 -!- patience__ 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11:56:04 also, the book url does leave no doubt that this is the book everybody is talking about. 11:56:23 no need to be a lisp expert to determine that. 11:57:16 Posterdati: y dont u also use the spelling thats proper in teh age group that u like 2 belong 2? 11:57:46 H4ns: I'm 12 y.o. 11:57:52 -!- algal [~anonymous@82.132.210.15] has quit [Quit: algal] 11:58:50 Posterdati: and that is the age that you'd like to stay in? 11:59:40 only for technical matters 12:01:07 *markskilbeck* searches for IRC ignore command 12:02:23 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.157.230] has joined #lisp 12:02:38 H4ns: I know what sicp is just only want to know from bsod1 why scheme, may I? 12:04:02 Scheme is the language used in the book, 12:04:41 markskilbeck: yes, I know the question would been: "Why are you studying scheme and not Lisp?" 12:05:17 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Kryztof 12:05:27 -!- Kryztof has set mode +b *!~tapioca@host133-226-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it 12:05:38 -!- ChanServ has set mode -o 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13:52:57 heh, quicklisp amazon free tier expires this month 13:53:05 then we'll see where the bill goes... 13:53:12 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-25.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 13:53:35 francogrex [~user@109.130.75.24] has joined #lisp 13:53:36 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM1-114-133-172.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:54:24 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.176.215.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:55:01 (decode-universal-time (- (get-universal-time) (* 6 60 60.0))) sucks 13:55:25 because: The value 3.5299866e9 is not of type UNSIGNED-BYTE 13:55:32 nyef [~nyef@c-174-63-105-188.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:55:39 G'morning all. 13:55:55 hey nyef 13:56:13 Anything going on? 13:56:54 francogrex: what are you trying to do? 13:57:13 nyef: just the usual hacks and glory 13:58:04 Ah. And here it's just the usual gory hacks. 13:58:15 Xach: To see what time it was exactly 6 hours ago! and no i cant manually count backwards 13:58:33 (decode-universal-time (- (get-universal-time) (* 6 60 60))) 13:58:39 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:58:43 maybe i'm missing something obvious 13:58:51 but that works for me 13:59:04 is there a reason for 60.0 explicitly? 13:59:32 dsp_: no, it's a leftover mistake, no reason 13:59:52 ... But what if one of the minutes has a leap-second? 14:00:26 nyef: the standard mandates ignoring them 14:00:34 Fair enough, I guess. 14:01:09 nyef: do you think really I am into such details if I'm not even paying attention to decimals 14:01:36 Your candor is refreshing. 14:01:40 francogrex: No, I'm just throwing that out there to try and confuse the issue further. 14:03:25 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.176.233.24] has joined #lisp 14:04:08 -!- spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Quit: spacefrogg] 14:04:09 oh, if it's for confusing then no worries, I have a lot of confusing stuff going on, i just don't want to release them all at once, it will overwhelm the group here and get me burning & crashing 14:04:33 ... you burn before you crash? 14:07:39 like a f16 airplane hit by a sam rocket: burn -> crash -> burn some more 14:07:39 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181056239.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:08:45 missile 14:09:40 hit-ile, in that scenario. :-P 14:09:51 pin number 14:10:36 nyef: oh snap! 14:10:48 Okay, stupid git question time. How do I pull a branch from an arbitrary repository? 14:12:03 #git might tell you git pull /path/to/repo branch 14:12:19 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@41.56.47.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:12:33 nyef: make sure the remote is added to your repo, then just `git checkout -b / 14:12:41 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.205.204] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:12:58 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.205.204] has joined #lisp 14:13:11 nyef: do you want to start a brand new local repository, or do you just want to pull in changes from a different remote branch to your existing local repo? 14:13:50 felideon: Pull changes from a branch on a remote machine to a new branch on the current machine. 14:13:58 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 14:15:01 ska` [~user@203.146.146.169] has joined #lisp 14:15:20 nyef: ok, so new branch but existing repo? then j_king's command should work 14:17:04 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.205.204] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:17:08 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@77.109.119.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:17:09 Hrm. Can this reasonably be done without adding a new remote? 14:17:11 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.205.204] has joined #lisp 14:18:33 theBlackDragon [~dragon@77.109.98.120] has joined #lisp 14:19:24 Oh well, I guess I won't need to update the remote definition too often. 14:20:02 -!- catphive [~brenmill@nat/cisco/x-cbvtvueuhfabjinb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20:24 Hmm, yeah not sure how you could do an arbitray pull from a remote you haven't defined (added) 14:21:01 Yeah, that too. You can always just remove the remote if you want a clean .git/config 14:21:20 Well, it's more that both machines are on DHCP. 14:21:24 catphive [~brenmill@nat/cisco/x-kbjcvmhivqmxiwpv] has joined #lisp 14:21:42 nyef, I think you can just give a URL to git-pull 14:22:21 Adlai: how? my google-fu is failing me 14:22:56 oh wait, there it is in man git-pull :) 14:23:08 -!- ska` [~user@203.146.146.169] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:24:35 coderdad [~coderdad@wsip-70-164-198-85.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 14:26:57 Okay, I think I've got things working, at least once. Thanks. 14:27:40 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 14:30:50 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has joined #lisp 14:32:05 juniorroy [~dima@212.36.228.103] has joined #lisp 14:32:41 -!- parabolize [~gyro@c-75-71-247-61.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:32:57 rpg [~rpg@mpls.sift.info] has joined #lisp 14:34:03 -!- bsod1 [~sinan@141.196.94.132] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:34:45 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:35:10 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.205.204] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:35:28 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.205.204] has joined #lisp 14:38:32 hello rpg 14:38:46 fe[nl]ix: Hello. 14:38:57 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-33-144-170.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:39:48 -!- gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:42:18 cpc26 [~cpc26@66-87-4-155.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 14:44:16 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.176.233.24] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 14:45:52 parabolize [~gyro@c-75-71-247-61.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:46:16 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Changing host] 14:46:16 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 14:46:33 gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 14:46:42 -!- drake01 [~drake01@unaffiliated/drake01] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:48:46 duomo [~duomo@d90h40.public.simons-rock.edu] has joined #lisp 14:49:54 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.35] has joined #lisp 14:50:09 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.212.117] has quit [Quit: Offline] 14:50:10 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.157.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:50:41 https://market.android.com/details?id=com.itasoftware.android.airshop <-- ITA FTW 14:50:53 their lookup is *really* good 14:52:35 Cloud_ [~cbolano@187.193.181.76] has joined #lisp 14:53:04 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 14:53:14 I wonder if the Java/Android development was done in-house. 14:53:22 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-192-72.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:53:22 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-192-72.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:55:09 cfy [~cfy@218.75.17.76] has joined #lisp 14:55:09 -!- cfy [~cfy@218.75.17.76] has quit [Changing host] 14:55:09 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 14:56:58 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.157.230] has joined #lisp 14:59:07 KingNato [~patno@fw.polopoly.com] has joined #lisp 14:59:40 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.181.16] has joined #lisp 15:01:23 felideon: I think it was. 15:01:26 although "in-house" seems like a stretch now, since they are part of Google. 15:01:41 felideon: I think this was started pre-Google, too. 15:02:00 At least the iPhone version was. 15:02:01 it was 15:02:14 Ah gotcha. Cool to see they can keep the ITA branding. (Even though I just noticed the "by Google" bit in the splash screen.) 15:02:23 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85b479.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 15:02:28 *p_l* had the app before acquisition was official 15:02:35 -!- djanatyn [~djanatyn@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:02:53 it's a big house 15:03:00 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.157.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:04:03 even bigger now 15:04:20 djanatyn [~djanatyn@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has joined #lisp 15:04:44 -!- gensym [~user@dslc-082-082-099-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:05:46 trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 15:05:55 iwillig [~ivan@dyn-160-39-149-228.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 15:06:14 Are they doing anything cool, like cross-compiling a lispy language down to ObjC for the iPhone version? 15:06:30 -!- c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-zehttbxcokqeetoi] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:06:39 urandom__ [~user@p548A3EAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:08:09 or using ecl? :) 15:08:50 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-192-72.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:09:26 homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-192-72.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:10:00 -!- Cloud_ [~cbolano@187.193.181.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:10:07 nyef: I know they use Clojure for at least some of their Java stuff, but don't know if they did for the Android stuff. 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I read the chapter about DSL on LOL (barsky) but it manages a dsl to output svg files 15:35:59 Greetings lispers 15:36:40 Posterdati: No need to write a DSL, just use and existing library like ppcre or meta-sexp. 15:36:45 *an* 15:40:59 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-25.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 15:41:02 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM1-114-133-172.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:41:09 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM1-114-133-172.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:42:19 nikodemus [~nikodemus@87-93-20-23.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 15:42:27 <_-zo-_> herro 15:42:58 -!- _-zo-_ [~kathleen@hyperion.onshored.com] has left #lisp 15:44:42 drake01 [~drake01@115.246.238.111] has joined #lisp 15:44:42 -!- drake01 [~drake01@115.246.238.111] has quit [Changing host] 15:44:42 drake01 [~drake01@unaffiliated/drake01] has joined #lisp 15:45:16 -!- rvirding [~chatzilla@c-3c90e255.56-4-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #lisp 15:45:45 ThomasH: ok 15:45:58 -!- drake01 [~drake01@unaffiliated/drake01] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:47:05 -!- ThomasH is now known as ThomasH[tmh] 15:47:42 drake01 [~drake01@unaffiliated/drake01] has joined #lisp 15:50:18 madalu [~user@unaffiliated/madalu] has joined #lisp 15:51:01 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.181.16] has quit [Quit: Offline] 15:52:22 fmeyer_ [~fmeyer@c9518865.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 15:52:44 -!- xjrn [~chatzilla@c-76-21-48-114.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:52:58 -!- iwillig [~ivan@dyn-160-39-149-228.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:53:38 mysterious tmh 15:54:34 iwillig [~ivan@dyn-160-39-149-228.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 15:54:40 Xach: The tmh nick had developed such a bad reputation that I tricked someone into taking it and am trying anew with ThomasH :-) 15:55:04 Touches my heart 15:55:33 qizwiz [~user@64.244.149.252] has joined #lisp 15:56:44 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.181.16] has joined #lisp 15:56:52 -!- H4ns [5ce7de6d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.231.222.109] has quit [Quit: => home] 15:56:55 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85b479.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:57:52 superflit [~superflit@71-33-144-170.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:58:05 -!- udzinari [user@nat/ibm/x-hzkmtjqgucvsyxvq] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:58:07 -!- io-k [~user@h-205-141.a146.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:58:50 I was going through some elisp code and ran across "funcall". I remember vaguely what it is, but what's the advantage of using funcall vs evaluating the form as is? 15:59:39 Function name is dynamic. 16:00:05 I guess I could see a case in which you pass in a list at run-time that would have the arguments to funcall, but I can't think of concrete example 16:00:17 qizwiz: (funcall (elt '(+ * -) (random 3)) 41 17) 16:00:29 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85b479.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 16:00:32 -!- Blkt [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:42 or construct the function arguments and the function name from input, such as table lookups 16:00:55 qizwiz: I generally use APPLY. 16:01:05 -!- iwillig [~ivan@dyn-160-39-149-228.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:01:47 maybe you could use funcall to do some kind of dynamic dispatch? 16:02:40 qizwiz: you can use funcall to call a function, given a designator for it like a symbol or function object. 16:02:41 dl [~download@chpcwl01.hpc.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 16:02:54 PatrickMcLaren [~PatrickMc@c-98-217-184-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:03:01 qizwiz: that means you can pass the objects around and they do not need to be known in advance to the funcalling place. 16:03:24 bbsch [~bbs@128.135.100.102] has joined #lisp 16:03:35 fwiw, "funcall purpose" and "funcall advantages" as searches don't really yield very much that's useful 16:04:14 manuel_ [~manuel_@p579204EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:04:19 ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has joined #lisp 16:04:43 probably because the purpose is stated in the spec, and there are no advantages, just specified behaviour? 16:04:51 -!- manuel_ [~manuel_@p579204EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:05:04 manuel_ [~manuel_@p579204EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:05:35 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-33-144-170.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:05:38 -!- manuel_ [~manuel_@p579204EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 16:05:47 Amadiro [~Amadiro@1x-193-157-193-143.uio.no] has joined #lisp 16:06:05 jdz: I think there really are some advantages. Not having to know what you're going to get in advance and still being able to handle it is generally a big win. 16:06:16 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06:32 qizwiz: nobody really ever uses FUNCALL if they don't know what they're gonna get 16:06:52 qizwiz: You would use APPLY in that case. 16:06:53 qizwiz: at least i don't count that as an advantage 16:07:05 ThomasH[tmh]: which case? 16:07:35 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 16:07:36 (defun foo (arg &rest all-keys &key key1 key2 key3 key4) (apply #'other-foo arg all-keys)) 16:07:44
Xach: I'm fairly certian that the problem I saw with your survey is actually a problem with Mozilla: I also have problems (with Mozilla) looking at the lisp meeting calendar, but it works like a charm with Safari :P ... I just thought you might like to know... 16:08:16
And, the lisp meeting calendar *used* to work fine with Mozilla! :P 16:08:36 jdz: That snippet is especially useful with a constructor around MAKE-INSTANCE where you don't want to step on :DEFAULT-INITARGS 16:09:09 ThomasH[tmh]: oh really? 16:09:34 -!- PatrickMcLaren [~PatrickMc@c-98-217-184-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:09:50 dl: thanks 16:09:52 mensch [~mensch@c-98-217-184-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:22 ThomasH[tmh]: you stil have not convinced me that i have to cons up a list just to call a function with my data in variables 16:12:22 jdz: It's not just have your data in variables, the point is that only the keys that are passed to the constructor are consed up in the list and passed to the function. 16:12:54 ThomasH[tmh]: you brought the APPLY into the discussion where FUNCALL was discussed, not me 16:13:52 jdz: Are we having the same conversation? 16:14:00 ThomasH[tmh]: apparently not. 16:15:24 alright, studying it some more. with apply you have to know your operator in advance. with funcall, your operator could be passed in as the head of the list (pardon if my terminology is slightly off) 16:16:08 qizwiz: in both cases you must give a function [designator] 16:17:13 qizwiz: what reference are you reading, btw? 16:17:29 why not (funcall (something-that-returns-a-function with arguments)) 16:17:48 ? 16:18:15 qizwiz: because the first argument to FUNCALL (and APPLY) is a function [designator] 16:18:24 smilga [~user@exit.theconcept.ru] has joined #lisp 16:19:24 but you don't have to know what that first argument is! It can be passed in. Am I missing something? 16:19:30 -!- bbsch [~bbs@128.135.100.102] has quit [Quit: bbsch] 16:19:57 qizwiz: yes, you can pass in whatever you want, as long as it is a function designator 16:20:00 I'm reading some Paul Graham, some CLHS and some Siebel. but honestly, a lot of this is personal meditation 16:20:08 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:20:54 jacius [~jacius@c-24-13-89-230.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:20:57 _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 16:21:06 qizwiz: i might have misunderstood your last sample code 16:21:14 my overarching philosophy within this scope is "how to program without having to care *too much* what your data is" 16:21:38 qizwiz: good luck with that 16:21:41 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 16:21:52 _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 16:22:24 and admittedly I'm zooming pretty quickly between high level and low level details 16:22:38 -!- rtoyg [chatzilla@nat/google/x-rjzsscaviznwtzig] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22:44 jsn [~jsn@c-98-225-158-149.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:23:34 qizwiz: the thing to note is that FUNCALL and APPLY are both ordinary functions, so argument evaluation rules are the same as for any other function 16:24:15 qizwiz: you don't have any problems understanding why and how MAPCAR works, do you? 16:24:43
xach: no problem! (Thank *you*, if for nothing else than keeping track of my monthly ABQ Lisp/Scheme meetings! :) 16:25:07 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-25.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:38 jdz: you want me to put it in my own words? 16:25:48 coyo [~unf@pool-71-164-230-13.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:25:48 -!- coyo [~unf@pool-71-164-230-13.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:25:48 coyo [~unf@unaffiliated/bandu] has joined #lisp 16:26:42 qizwiz: no, it would be better if you used the terminology used in CLHS and the books you use 16:27:11 -!- mensch [~mensch@c-98-217-184-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:29:12 nikodemus` [~nikodemus@188-67-240-34.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 16:29:51 -!- smilga [~user@exit.theconcept.ru] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:32:15 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@87-93-20-23.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:33:39 ok, then I'll say sure, I know how mapcar works....even though you've taken away my ability to demonstrate it 16:33:41 sacho [~sacho@95-42-84-232.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 16:34:00 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-25.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 16:34:03 -!- cfy is now known as aoeuaoeuoeu 16:34:06 mensch [~mensch@c-98-217-184-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:34:13 ignas [~ignas@85-206-22-190.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 16:34:16 -!- sacho [~sacho@95-42-84-232.btc-net.bg] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 16:34:17 *dl* grumbles: Xach, it seems the "disconnect" add-on to mozilla is what was killing me! without that add-on, both the lisp meetings and the survey work just fine! :P 16:34:23 Cloud_ [~cbolano@187.193.181.76] has joined #lisp 16:34:29 -!- aoeuaoeuoeu is now known as cfy 16:34:34 sacho [~sacho@95-42-84-232.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 16:34:41 -!- sacho [~sacho@95-42-84-232.btc-net.bg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:16 qizwiz: the best way to understand the usefullness of FUNCALL/APPLY would be to write your own version of MAPCAR 16:35:51 -!- ramusara [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:35:53 ah! 16:35:58 -!- fmeyer_ [~fmeyer@c9518865.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:36:32 Using only special operators 16:36:51 that makes sense. unfortunately, I can't stay to discuss it 16:37:08 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.181.16] has quit [Quit: Offline] 16:37:24 ThomasH[tmh]: why? 16:37:50 jdz: Just to be difficult. 16:38:03 have a mandatory lunch with the CEO and am still wearing a tshirt. 16:38:24 bsod1 [~sinan@141.196.112.32] has joined #lisp 16:38:59 jdz: I'm not sure that it is possible. 16:39:02 -!- e-user [e-user@nat/nokia/x-tkcldvmfurozjkhf] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:39:15 ThomasH[tmh]: try your own medicine! 16:39:37 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Quit: Byebye.] 16:40:02 -!- gensym [~user@dslc-082-082-099-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:40:48 jdz: Eat my own dog food? I'm looking at Figure 3-2. Common Lisp Special Operators, I don't think you could do it, CAR is not special, for example. 16:41:13 hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:41:31 srolls [~user@c-76-126-212-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:41:43 -!- mensch [~mensch@c-98-217-184-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:42:20 bbsch [~bbs@c-67-173-0-18.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:42:25 locci [~Nessuno@unaffiliated/carlocci] has joined #lisp 16:42:49 -!- scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 16:43:51 Vivitron [~user@pool-173-48-170-228.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:44:05 -!- coderdad [~coderdad@wsip-70-164-198-85.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:44:19 Still, if you limit yourself to special operators for the control flow, it would make it a challenge. 16:44:19 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:45:08 -!- bbsch 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be great if we were safe for things that are inside local-projects (not symlinked or something!).. 18:11:42 akovalenko: hmm, i'll think about setting it up like that 18:12:08 hi 18:12:25 -!- sea4ever [~daniel@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:12:50 sea4ever [~daniel@64.28.141.5] has joined #lisp 18:12:50 -!- sea4ever [~daniel@64.28.141.5] has quit [Changing host] 18:12:50 sea4ever [~daniel@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has joined #lisp 18:15:29 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:17:47 mornfall [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has joined #lisp 18:17:50 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Changing host] 18:17:50 mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #lisp 18:19:00 akovalenko: they double as manifest files for buildapp 18:20:21 -!- hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:22:59 Ah gotcha. Cool to see they can keep the ITA branding. (Even though I just noticed the "by Google" bit in the splash screen.) <-- AFAIK, it was part of the approval deal 18:23:05 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-25.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:23:08 BrianRice: Are you Brian T. Rice, who lives in Portland, OR? 18:23:28 they're not allowed to drop the branding, and not allowed to drop or substantially alter the existing software offer and markets served 18:24:05 and generally have to keep ITA significantly independent within google 18:24:08 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:24:12 realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has joined #lisp 18:24:38 mornfall [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has joined #lisp 18:24:40 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Changing host] 18:24:40 mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #lisp 18:24:57 mathrick: altering it would be kinda hard... ;-) 18:25:22 being the only Lisp division in company this time works for them :) 18:26:56 p_l: *ahem*viaweb yahoo acquisition*ahem* 18:27:18 google has a fairly strict "no lisp" policy otherwise 18:27:28 it would be a lot harder to rewrite ITA's software than a web store 18:27:34 their in-house languages are ironfistedly managed 18:27:41 dlowe: of course 18:27:48 mathrick: It's not a "no lisp" policy, it's a policy about which languages are allowed, and it is rather ironfisted 18:27:49 but it wouldn't stop them from trying I bet 18:28:06 I trust Google to be more sensible about such things 18:28:33 mathrick: from what I know, that might have been the case few years ago - now they just bridge the software to be connected with their service architecture 18:28:50 but other new developements in Google are still on old language list 18:29:02 dlowe: I don't trust google at ll 18:29:10 I've used too much of their stuff :) 18:29:45 what I don't trust google on is customer support ;) 18:29:53 Seems like inside knowledge of any product makes people distrust it. 18:29:53 p_l: possibly, but you should take into account that ITA *have* rewritten many parts of their software in C++ themselves 18:30:02 rightly so 18:30:12 "don't be evil" is pure bullshit 18:30:22 mathrick: how so? 18:30:34 prxq: howso to which part? 18:30:50 how is "don't be evil" pure bullshit? 18:31:02 prxq: afaik it was never actually official 18:31:17 well, they could be a lot worse 18:31:27 http://xkcd.com/792/ 18:31:29 prxq: a lot of what they do is as evil/closed as they can get away with 18:31:35 android bein the prime example 18:31:36 I think 'dont be evil' might be a ploy for us to trust them. 18:31:55 It makes them sound like they actually have ethics. 18:32:13 i.e a PR move. 18:32:15 does anyone except for a few nerds care? 18:32:21 of course, trusting a company, any company, as if it were an actual person is stupid 18:32:26 -!- sea4ever [~daniel@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:32:28 it's taken very seriously internally 18:32:54 sea4ever [~daniel@64.28.141.5] has joined #lisp 18:32:54 -!- sea4ever [~daniel@64.28.141.5] has quit [Changing host] 18:32:54 sea4ever [~daniel@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has joined #lisp 18:32:57 i disagree with the claim that they are as bad as they could get away with 18:33:01 dlowe: do you have first/second hand experience to draw upon? 18:33:20 prxq: not any time, all the time, but a lot of the time they are 18:33:21 mathrick: um, yes. 18:33:23 mathrick: android, compared to the alternatives since Compaq's buyout of DEC is kind of an experiment... which manufacturers fail a lot 18:33:37 Tono [~tono@93-96-214-28.zone4.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:33:38 mathrick: /whois dlowe 18:33:39 prxq: android being positioned as the "open" player in the market for instance, it 18:33:43 -!- Tono [~tono@93-96-214-28.zone4.bethere.co.uk] has left #lisp 18:33:44 it's anything but 18:34:06 mathrick: compared to its alternatives... 18:34:06 dlowe: ah, well, I preferred to ask in person :) 18:34:07 -!- sea4ever [~daniel@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:34:27 p_l: sure, but let's be serious now, nobody is quite as evil as AAPL 18:34:37 sea4ever [~daniel@64.28.141.5] has joined #lisp 18:34:37 -!- sea4ever [~daniel@64.28.141.5] has quit [Changing host] 18:34:37 sea4ever [~daniel@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has joined #lisp 18:34:40 mathrick: I mean also the previous platforms 18:34:40 they have elevated it to the rank of art 18:34:56 mathrick: last really open attempt was killed before it shipped, by Compaq 18:34:59 dlowe: are you at ITA? 18:35:00 sea4ever: something wrong with your client? 18:35:02 eulyix [~charles@2.26.61.20] has joined #lisp 18:35:11 p_l: what was that attempt 18:35:12 prxq: Network here. 18:35:12 ? 18:35:17 It's like this for all of time, I swear. 18:35:18 mathrick: iPaq's original form 18:35:36 ah. WebOS was also quite open 18:35:37 mathrick: it was a Linux-based device 18:35:42 sea4ever: ok :-) 18:35:45 prxq: Also, konversation seems to be the only client that can maintain a connection for more than 1 minute, ERC from EMACS doesn't even connect! 18:35:51 mathrick: with all source available 18:35:53 wow 18:36:02 I liked a lot of its guts, but sadly it didn't exactly fare well 18:36:12 mathrick: yeah 18:36:29 Hmm..I have an image with Debian GNU/Hurd. I should try getting online from there and seeing if it disconnects as often. 18:36:48 mathrick: hah. iPaq only dropped from being one of the best around the switch from PDAs to smartphones. 18:36:52 p_l: android also has all of its source available! In theory at least, if you're willing to wait a year or three and skip insignificant small versions like 3.0 18:37:23 mathrick: there are markets that are strongholds of the old b/w ipaqs :) 18:37:34 heh 18:38:11 sorc [~frog@64.28.141.5] has joined #lisp 18:38:22 mathrick: I heard the rationale behind 3.x being closed... I might not like it, but at least it was more honest than some of the other reasons I could come up with which are current regarding "when ICS source will ship" 18:38:50 dlowe: anyway, I completely believe that *engineering* is very strongly committed to not being evil. There are even apple inc. engineers who really walk the talk on open/free. But externally it doesn't necessarily have to mean anything, because a company is not its engineers 18:40:25 hydralisk [~frog@64.28.141.5] has joined #lisp 18:40:28 -!- gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:40:39 -!- sea4ever [~daniel@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:40:39 toekutr [~user@50-0-50-134.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 18:40:42 -!- hydralisk is now known as sea4ever 18:40:45 -!- sea4ever [~frog@64.28.141.5] has quit [Changing host] 18:40:45 sea4ever [~frog@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has joined #lisp 18:40:54 and android is very, very much an example of being open in talk mostly, and then freely withholding stuff when google feels like it. Sure, I do love that it actually has a mechanism for replacing built-in parts of the system, and it's in no way comparable to say iOS in terms of closedness. But it's still not "open" the way I/O talks would have you believe, it's just less terrifyingly closed 18:42:21 mobile is a patent warzone, so some of that might have complex reasons 18:42:24 I like my android device, and it works with my infrastructure much better than my ipod touch, but I find myself frequently wishing that it wasn't java/dalvik for everything above the kernel. :P 18:42:30 Any chance this discussion be steered back towards Lisp? 18:42:36 -!- sea4ever [~frog@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has quit [Client Quit] 18:42:48 austinh: sure, I think Fade just started :) 18:43:05 dlowe: also I'd say that the way they hire new people (and the fact that its founders wouldn't have any chance of being hired through the usual screening process) is also somewhat telling 18:43:09 prxq: true, sadly 18:43:12 sea4ever [~frog@64.28.141.5] has joined #lisp 18:43:12 -!- sea4ever [~frog@64.28.141.5] has quit [Changing host] 18:43:12 sea4ever [~frog@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has joined #lisp 18:43:33 mathrick: it got better, they no longer ask stupid brain teasers 18:43:34 seem they could have had all the declared 'wins' from java with better runtime characteristics if they had gone with scheme or lisp. 18:43:47 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:43:49 -!- sorc [~frog@64.28.141.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:43:57 can't you run abcl on that then? 18:44:00 Fade: the real win was familiarity of language 18:44:06 back to lisp, I'm going to try the LinJ<->android thing soon, since I've secured a project which is going to be half android 18:44:19 prxq: until froyo it was pointless since dalvik had no jit 18:44:22 I've had some luck with KawaScheme too 18:44:22 mathrick: You'll have a lot of hacking to do on LinJ 18:44:23 -!- sea4ever [~frog@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has quit [Client Quit] 18:44:30 p_l: I know! 18:44:33 I was able to use it out of the box 18:44:37 prxq: dalvik is awful. I have a clojure repl on my phone, but it takes over a minute to eval (+ 10 12) and print the result. 18:44:41 sea4ever [~frog@64.28.141.5] has joined #lisp 18:44:42 -!- sea4ever [~frog@64.28.141.5] has quit [Changing host] 18:44:42 sea4ever [~frog@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has joined #lisp 18:44:42 Kawa Scheme is officially supported :D 18:44:50 and abcl is very heavy on introspection 18:44:51 p_l: really? didn't know that 18:45:00 Fade: that's very funny, actually 18:45:02 dlowe: AppInventor is Kawa Scheme 18:45:33 p_l: I might even end up rewriting it, but I was still waiting on linj to become officially opensourced, since that frees me up in many legal regards 18:45:57 I didn't even think to try abcl, given the clojure results. 18:46:00 Fade: Clojure sucks on Android partially because it lacks compilation, and partially because it's so CONS-happy, that before 2.3 it plain old spent most of the time in GC 18:46:23 also, without certain modifications, you get tons of code loaded on bootstrap 18:46:33 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:46:42 *akovalenko* wants to pester someone about . Any slime people here? 18:46:49 puchacz_ [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:46:50 flip214 [~marek@86.59.100.100] has joined #lisp 18:46:50 -!- flip214 [~marek@86.59.100.100] has quit [Changing host] 18:46:50 flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has joined #lisp 18:47:02 anyhow, java appears to me to be the fastest way to seize failure from the jaws of victory in just about any environment. 18:47:13 so, yes, let us get back to lisp. :) 18:47:26 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:47:27 p_l: linj doesn't really work OOTB, and it lacks a lot of plumbing to make it much more than just a syntax for java, but it has extremely valuable parts in the form of figuring out the lang spec and what it means for a lisp 18:47:40 mathrick: I know - I tried it :) 18:47:54 mathrick: the problem is that it doesn't do Generics 18:48:22 I'd say the problem is way before that, in that it doesn't actually do a lot of what it's supposed to get it to compile :) 18:48:23 -!- sea4ever [~frog@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:44 mathrick: that's where I got stumped 18:48:47 sea4ever [~frog@64.28.141.5] has joined #lisp 18:48:48 -!- sea4ever [~frog@64.28.141.5] has quit [Changing host] 18:48:48 sea4ever [~frog@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has joined #lisp 18:49:01 flip214 [~marek@86.59.100.100] has joined #lisp 18:49:01 -!- flip214 [~marek@86.59.100.100] has quit [Changing host] 18:49:01 flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has joined #lisp 18:49:13 back when I tried it (prior to open sourcing), the java introspection bridge was seriously borked 18:49:33 and once I got that to run, the compiler turned out to be borked in many places 18:49:38 *p_l* needs to finish his CV for Google application 18:50:09 I wouldn't actually want to work for google I think 18:50:30 mathrick: they had me at free food, but that's due to my personal history 18:50:33 not until it's allowed to do interesting things in !java 18:50:46 mathrick: Java is actually phased out, I heard 18:50:49 I have (ignore-errors ... (error "foo")), and the ... is quite a bit of stuff. It does not ignore the error, but lands me in the debugger. Any ideas what might be wrong? 18:50:57 p_l: free food sounds good, but from what I read, they cut a lot of that a while back 18:51:18 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:51:37 prxq: are you sure it lands you with that error in the debugger? 18:51:37 mathrick: according to my current info (a google SRE in dublin, where I'm applying), it's still on 18:51:38 Guthur [~user@host86-148-142-181.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 18:52:01 mathrick: i thought so, but i'll try again. 18:52:14 p_l: ah. Back when I checked, there were no interesting google depts in DK 18:52:27 and I don't want to move atm 18:52:38 mathrick: yes, I am sure 18:52:39 mathrick: yeah, the polish one is also quite small. the UK ones are... weird 18:52:55 though I remember I read something about them doing things in Aarhus recently 18:53:02 wasn't it dart? 18:53:08 though supposedly they expanded a lot recently in London from what was previously mainly bussiness 18:53:09 but dart is a joke right now 18:53:47 mathrick: Dart? that one is so far an experiment towards a replacement of JS in browsers 18:53:48 -!- sea4ever [~frog@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54:00 prxq: okay, could you paste the backtrace then, and as minimal an example to reproduce as you can get it 18:54:06 sea4ever [~frog@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has joined #lisp 18:54:11 p_l: yes, I know what dart is 18:54:14 and it's a joke 18:54:16 yeah 18:55:06 the weirdness in UK was related to how Google London was mostly advertising people, and Google Birmingham being a cafe operating at loss so it could be used as an office 18:55:07 mathrick: that's somewhere deep in a lot of code, and usually it works. I'll post a backtrace when I get it. 18:55:08 https://gist.github.com/1277224 18:55:15 prxq: k 18:56:15 -!- sea4ever [~frog@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:56:39 sea4ever [~frog@64.28.141.5] has joined #lisp 18:56:39 -!- sea4ever [~frog@64.28.141.5] has quit [Changing host] 18:56:39 sea4ever [~frog@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has joined #lisp 18:57:16 prxq: what I suspect is that something other than ERROR is actually (re)raising it. Which means one of three things: 1) it's done in a place where IGNORE-ERRORS is not in effect 2) what you're seeing is not ERROR, but *about* it or surrounding context 3) something is calling INVOKE-DEBUGGER & friends rather than signalling 18:57:23 -!- sea4ever [~frog@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has quit [Client Quit] 18:57:37 sea4ever [~frog@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has joined #lisp 18:58:05 INVOKE-DEBUGGER is free to sidestep any signalling machinery and in fact is explicitly specified to do so, so no amount of surrounding handlers will help you 19:02:35 benkard_ [~benkard@mnch-4d04c71a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 19:04:51 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-053-129.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 19:05:48 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85b479.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:05:48 -!- benkard_ is now known as benkard 19:07:15 mathrick: Are you counting BREAK in with INVOKE-DEBUGGER ? 19:08:43 coderdad [~coderdad@wsip-70-164-198-85.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 19:10:04 p_l: heh, similarly, my brother knows the head of Google in Colombia (south america) personally, but they obviously don't have engineers there, just the advertising stuff 19:11:00 -!- dwim_ [~dwim@250.Red-81-32-229.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: dwim_] 19:11:14 -!- sea4ever [~frog@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:11:27 sea4ever [~frog@64.28.141.5] has joined #lisp 19:11:27 -!- sea4ever [~frog@64.28.141.5] has quit [Changing host] 19:11:27 sea4ever [~frog@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has joined #lisp 19:12:07 felideon: why "obviously"? 19:13:06 prxq: engineers are mainly centered in Googleplexes and some smaller R&D labs 19:13:12 prxq: well, i would think the vast majority of Google engineers are hired through Mountain View, no? 19:13:20 felideon: they aren't 19:13:26 though MTV does have input 19:13:28 nyef: yes 19:13:37 in any case, I didn't want to pick up the OT, i was just backreading 19:13:38 which is why my lack of degree is ... considered harmful 19:14:20 OTOH, I can claim I have the equivalent of BSc with the end of this academic year :D 19:14:36 ahah 19:14:49 I know one degree-less googler. Granted, it took him 2 tries and lots of pressure from friends inside, but still 19:15:05 could the debugger get invoked just by events like mouse-over or so twice in succession maybe ?.... 19:15:23 cmm: in my case, I'm in the middle of doing a 5 year degree 19:16:00 cmm: and with this year, I'll have done the equivalent of BSc (3 years). Next year is supposed to be industrial placement :D 19:16:40 well, you are in luck if they have student intern vacancies :) 19:16:51 I don't like this degree thing. I might leave this university. 19:17:19 -!- RomyEatsDrupal [~stickycak@ool-ade5617b.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:17:35 cmm: the trick is to do student internship for summer, follow it with full-time employment during industrial placement, and do 4th year part-time :P 19:17:48 (part-time at university - full-time at google) 19:19:09 -!- alunihil [~chatzilla@111-252-214-247.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:19:59 -!- nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p4FE32B88.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:20:10 -!- sea4ever [~frog@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:20:31 sea4ever [~frog@64.28.141.5] has joined #lisp 19:20:31 -!- sea4ever [~frog@64.28.141.5] has quit [Changing host] 19:20:31 sea4ever [~frog@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has joined #lisp 19:21:54 -!- sea4ever [~frog@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has quit [Client Quit] 19:21:58 nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p4FE32B88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:21:58 akovalenko: i'm not all that familiar with windows. does enough-namestring do the right thing for relative paths on different devices? 19:22:09 sea4ever [~frog@64.28.141.5] has joined #lisp 19:22:09 -!- sea4ever [~frog@64.28.141.5] has quit [Changing host] 19:22:09 sea4ever [~frog@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has joined #lisp 19:23:12 Xach: it /should/ do the right thing, and in SBCL it does (mainline included..) 19:23:58 ok 19:24:03 Xach: for extra bit of robustsness, we can merge relative path with its base and verify the result. 19:26:22 and I advise /against/ "path relativism" for things outside local-projects/. That is, when I have ~/ql/local-projects/, and some ~/hackspace get there somehow (e.g. by symlinks -- whenever they start working :), having system-index referring to #P"../hackspace/" looks Wrong. 19:26:27 -!- gensym [~user@dslc-082-082-099-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:27:43 -!- sea4ever [~frog@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:27:50 hmm 19:28:07 sea4ever [~frog@64.28.141.5] has joined #lisp 19:28:07 -!- sea4ever [~frog@64.28.141.5] has quit [Changing host] 19:28:07 sea4ever [~frog@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has joined #lisp 19:28:35 *akovalenko* remembers using pathname-match-p together with enough-namestring to get some working "relativising" code. There is something strange in CLISP in that department, though I can't recall the details.. 19:28:57 senj [~senj@S01060026f323bcdf.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 19:29:12 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-33-144-170.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:29:19 benny` [~benny@i577A2679.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 19:29:20 superflit [~superflit@140.226.4.133] has joined #lisp 19:31:28 -!- benny [~benny@i577A318B.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:32:06 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-053-129.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:34:15 optikalmouse [~yaaic@bas1-toronto42-1279729471.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 19:38:15 drewc` [~user@PC687f74269abb-WM0003D709793f.wbb.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 19:39:42 -!- drewc [~user@PC687f74269abb-WM0003D709793f.wbb.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:40:19 -!- drewc` is now known as drewc 19:41:34 francogrex [~user@109.130.75.24] has joined #lisp 19:41:53 superflit_ [~superflit@71-208-200-173.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:41:59 heya, drewc 19:42:47 -!- benny` is now known as benny 19:44:34 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 19:44:45 I wrote a program to read a text file by line using read-line, saving each file line in a variable, how can I save the entire file in a string? 19:45:05 situ [~quassel@223.183.173.103] has joined #lisp 19:45:57 -!- superflit [~superflit@140.226.4.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:45:57 -!- superflit_ is now known as superflit 19:46:10 -!- situ [~quassel@223.183.173.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:46:39 Posterdati: (read-sequence (make-string (file-length file)) file) 19:46:59 concatenate 19:47:02 algal [~anonymous@188-223-115-153.zone14.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:47:03 Posterdati: Are you looking to just read the entire thing up at once, or to concatenate the strings? 19:47:16 And if you're concatenating the strings, don't forget the line separators! 19:47:37 linuxsable [~linuxsabl@c-98-210-64-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:48:16 nyef: I have to parse the file 19:48:24 nyef: and I'd like to use ppcre 19:49:56 algal_ [~anonymous@188-223-115-153.zone14.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:49:56 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-208-200-173.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:50:19 hey Fade :) I have decided I will spend more time at #lisp so you should see me here quite a bit. 19:50:40 cool :) 19:50:43 nyef: http://paste.lisp.org/+2P31 19:51:06 RomyEatsDrupal [~stickycak@ool-ade56004.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 19:51:31 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@1x-193-157-193-143.uio.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:51:45 superflit [~superflit@140.226.4.129] has joined #lisp 19:51:48 -!- algal [~anonymous@188-223-115-153.zone14.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:51:57 Posterdati: So, it's a line-by-line format, and you use a state machine. Just use cl-ppcre against each line as needed. 19:52:12 nyef: ah I was thinking the same! 19:52:21 nyef: using scan 19:52:55 nyef: but my state machine have to handle things like unmatched start conditions or nested start conditions 19:53:04 algal [~anonymous@188-223-115-153.zone14.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:53:16 ... so? 19:53:19 realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has joined #lisp 19:54:02 nyef: would be better to scan the entire file for regexp like "(START header)*(END header)" ? 19:54:18 -!- algal_ [~anonymous@188-223-115-153.zone14.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:55:04 I think I'd go with an FSM tied to per-state line-matching patterns. 19:55:27 nyef: ok it's my opinion too, thanks you were illuminating :) 19:55:27 All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster 19:56:41 With His noodley appendages, He touches all valid transition states 19:57:16 say i want to see definition of [] monad in ghci 19:57:21 how do i do that? 19:57:27 Join haskell channel, ask? 19:57:28 or in hoogle ? 19:57:30 dlowe: Could it affect my state machine' 19:57:32 dlowe: Could it affect my state machine? 19:57:33 ohhh 19:57:37 sorry wrong channel 19:57:39 :D 19:57:41 LOL 19:57:45 -!- algal [~anonymous@188-223-115-153.zone14.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:59:15 -!- optikalmouse [~yaaic@bas1-toronto42-1279729471.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org] 20:00:03 sorc [~frog@64.28.141.5] has joined #lisp 20:00:41 mensch_ [~mensch@c-71-232-44-219.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:00:58 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:02:42 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has joined #lisp 20:02:52 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02:52 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 20:03:24 -!- sea4ever [~frog@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:05:10 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@2.129.65.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:41 -!- sorc [~frog@64.28.141.5] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:05:53 sorc [~frog@64.28.141.5] has joined #lisp 20:06:06 does anyone know or has anyone seen the guy who calls himself fusss lately? 20:06:55 I used to hang out with him when he was in the states, but since he's moved back to Australia, I never hear from him 20:07:19 *homie* sends a bottle message to the kangooo's 20:07:31 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@2.129.65.196] has joined #lisp 20:08:13 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.212.154] has quit [Quit: Offline] 20:08:23 qizwiz: I recall seeing fusss here a long time ago 20:08:25 but not recently 20:08:29 fmeyer_ [~fmeyer@186.220.4.64] has joined #lisp 20:10:26 -!- toekutr [~user@50-0-50-134.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:11:21 xjrn [~chatzilla@c-76-21-48-114.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:12:04 gensym [~user@dslc-082-082-099-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 20:13:32 -!- nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p4FE32B88.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:13:47 nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p4FE32B88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:14:14 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@c9518865.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:15:02 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:15:17 realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has joined #lisp 20:16:05 -!- fmeyer_ [~fmeyer@186.220.4.64] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:16:22 fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.4.64] has joined #lisp 20:17:59 pnathan [~Adium@129.101.58.43] has joined #lisp 20:19:05 kpreid_ [~kpreid@128.153.181.16] has joined #lisp 20:19:42 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:20:02 -!- catphive [~brenmill@nat/cisco/x-kbjcvmhivqmxiwpv] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:20:20 Bahman [~Bahman@2.146.18.184] has joined #lisp 20:20:39 Hi all! 20:20:45 -!- levi [~user@c-174-52-219-147.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:20:47 hi 20:21:16 levi [~user@c-174-52-219-147.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:21:43 -!- sorc [~frog@64.28.141.5] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:21:52 fusss comes and goes 20:21:58 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:21:59 catphive [~brenmill@nat/cisco/x-adduikpslqbntjzq] has joined #lisp 20:22:03 apparently too busy to hang out on IRC ;-) 20:22:10 sorc [~frog@64.28.141.5] has joined #lisp 20:23:13 -!- pnathan [~Adium@129.101.58.43] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:25:24 -!- sorc [~frog@64.28.141.5] has quit [Client Quit] 20:25:48 sorc [~frog@64.28.141.5] has joined #lisp 20:25:52 -!- dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:26:43 dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has joined #lisp 20:28:52 -!- eulyix [~charles@2.26.61.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:28:54 -!- xan_ [~xan@221.Red-2-138-190.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:30:31 H4ns [57a9ed05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.169.237.5] has joined #lisp 20:36:42 pnathan [~Adium@129.101.60.234] has joined #lisp 20:36:53 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39:15 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has joined #lisp 20:39:42 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:47:14 -!- RomyEatsDrupal [~stickycak@ool-ade56004.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: RomyEatsDrupal] 20:48:05 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 20:48:49 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-44-107.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 20:49:15 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 20:50:09 realitygrill [~realitygr@204.38.4.80] has joined #lisp 20:51:48 -!- mensch_ [~mensch@c-71-232-44-219.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:51:57 Quaydon [~aaaaaaa@cpe-071-068-114-143.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:53:55 If I have a list of strings and I want to concatenate "XXX" to the end of each string can I do that somehow with mapcar? 20:55:01 My usual solution would be to do something like (mapcar #'(lambda (s) (concatenate 'string s "XXX")) my-sweet-list) 20:56:01 -!- iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-151-161.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:57:50 (mapcar #'(lambda (string) (concatenate 'string string "XXX")) '("one" "two" "three")) 20:58:13 which amounts to seconding pnathan's opinion. 20:58:24 Now I feel +1'd. 20:59:02 lol 20:59:08 rgrinberg [~rudi@24.52.246.61] has joined #lisp 20:59:11 why #' a lambda? 20:59:23 lol, thanks guys. It seems obvious now that I need to use a lambda function. 21:00:13 Stylistic equivalence with a non-lambda function. 21:00:20 Not the greatest reason ever. 21:00:40 benkard_ [~benkard@mnch-5d869c28.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 21:02:39 -!- sorc [~frog@64.28.141.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:02:58 <_3b> you don't "need" to use a lambda, it is just a convenient solution 21:03:17 HG` [~HG@tmo-110-254.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #lisp 21:03:50 <_3b> you could also use some curry or partial application function, or define a function (possibly locally), or define a function to generate functions like that 21:04:03 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.4.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:04:36 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04c71a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:05:05 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d869c28.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 21:05:13 -!- benkard_ [~benkard@mnch-5d869c28.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:07:51 yes, if it's part of, e.g., a protocol, you might defined an append function as an abstraction, i.e., (defun add-XYZ-packet (string) 21:08:09 am0c [~am0c@203.226.212.68] has joined #lisp 21:09:04 whism [~user@c-98-225-158-149.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:09:32 -!- whism [~user@c-98-225-158-149.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has left #lisp 21:10:42 vert2 [vert2@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-adbmxqdmugzehdix] has joined #lisp 21:11:37 -!- nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p4FE32B88.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:12:01 nikodemus [~nikodemus@188-67-240-34.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 21:15:05 drwho [~drwho@static-76-160-37-137.dsl.cavtel.net] has joined #lisp 21:16:04 So many hacks, so little time! 21:17:28 -!- gensym [~user@dslc-082-082-099-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:17:44 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-58.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 21:18:23 -!- catphive [~brenmill@nat/cisco/x-adduikpslqbntjzq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:19:22 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.75.24] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:45 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-44-107.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:23:38 mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has joined #lisp 21:25:14 earlgray [~Adium@inherent.puzzler.volia.net] has joined #lisp 21:26:09 -!- kpreid_ [~kpreid@128.153.181.16] has quit [Quit: Offline] 21:26:17 What's the idiomatic way to make a list of N items by calling the same function N times? 21:26:42 -!- superflit [~superflit@140.226.4.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:27:04 (loop repeat n collect (fun)) 21:27:29 thanks 21:29:31 am0c_ [~am0c@203.236.27.25] has joined #lisp 21:29:58 -!- dl [~download@chpcwl01.hpc.unm.edu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:30:28 wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-42.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:31:22 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-42.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:32:30 -!- am0c [~am0c@203.226.212.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:33:04 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-192-72.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:33:15 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-192-72.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:34:10 -!- Younder [~john@49.157.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:34:13 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 21:38:58 -!- coyo [~unf@unaffiliated/bandu] has quit [Quit: I need my meds... >.<] 21:39:22 -!- drwho [~drwho@static-76-160-37-137.dsl.cavtel.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:42:10 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:42:31 c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 21:43:08 -!- HG` [~HG@tmo-110-254.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:46:17 fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.4.64] has joined #lisp 21:48:54 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-60-107.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:49:50 drwho [~drwho@208.7.157.62] has joined #lisp 21:50:43 -!- dlowe [dlowe@nat/google/x-rxbnndipekdwpypc] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:51:26 Jasko3 [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:51:34 How can I find out which method combination woul be used for a given set of argument types? 21:51:56 compute-applicable-method, maybe? 21:52:56 the method combination is part of the generic function, not the argument types 21:53:11 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 21:53:42 -!- Vivitron [~user@pool-173-48-170-228.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:54:27 -!- bhaskara [~user@gw.willowgarage.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:39 OK, I admit, I want the effective method 21:54:40 :) 21:54:45 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@209.74.44.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:55:01 &REST eats up all the parameters after it use, right? 21:55:47 I mean something like ((&REST X) &body B) will result always in NIL for B, right? 21:56:15 Umm... In a macro arglist? No. 21:56:25 Yes...in a macro. 21:57:10 (DEFMACRO M1 ((&REST X) &BODY B) ...) 21:57:14 is it possible to have a recursive anonymous function defined with lambda? 21:57:28 (M1 ('(1 2 3) (...)) 21:57:30 djanatyn: Have a look for the "y combinator". 21:57:42 What will be the value of B in that call? 21:58:07 hmm, okay, thanks! 21:58:14 Bahman: Unbalanced parens. 21:58:46 Sorry...right...I mean something like (M1 ('(1 2 3) X Y)) 21:59:14 Then B will be NIL. But if it were ... X Y) FOO), B would be (FOO). 21:59:22 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-137-45.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 21:59:28 And if it were ... X Y) FOO BAR) then B would be (FOO BAR). 21:59:35 -!- duomo [~duomo@d90h40.public.simons-rock.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 22:03:21 nyef: Would you please explain this to me? nyef: But I'm getting something different...perhaps I'm missing something. 22:03:36 Bahman: Your arguments in your invocation don't match the arguments in your definition in the way that you think they do. It has nothing to do with &rest or &body. 22:03:42 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@204.38.4.80] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 22:03:48 http://pastebin.com/MPSSmQvb 22:05:37 austinh: That's right...I got the point. 22:05:40 -!- am0c_ [~am0c@203.236.27.25] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:05:42 Thanks austinh and nyef. 22:06:24 realitygrill [~realitygr@204.38.4.80] has joined #lisp 22:07:35 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@204.38.4.80] has quit [Client Quit] 22:09:58 GrayMagiker [~steve@c-174-56-88-247.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:10:40 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: "Object-oriented design" is an oxymoron] 22:11:13 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:12:14 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 259 seconds] 22:12:14 -!- ace4016 [~ace4016@99.120.69.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 259 seconds] 22:12:53 Guthur` [~user@host86-163-183-88.range86-163.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 22:13:08 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 22:13:47 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-137-45.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:30 -!- Guthur [~user@host86-148-142-181.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:16:30 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 22:18:43 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-58.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:20:15 -!- puchacz_ [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21:49 -!- c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:24:25 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:25:27 duomo [~duomo@cpe-69-204-169-245.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:26:06 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 22:27:27 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@188-67-240-34.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:29:53 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29:54 eulyix [~charles@2.26.61.20] has joined #lisp 22:33:03 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:34:00 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.213.33] has joined #lisp 22:37:44 -!- pnathan [~Adium@129.101.60.234] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:38:55 -!- jwd [~jwd@cable-118-42.sssnet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:39:25 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A3EAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:40:26 -!- nicdev_ [~user@static-72-74-85-37.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 22:44:32 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@135-84-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:45:01 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.67.117] has joined #lisp 22:45:12 is there something along the lines of doxygen for CL? 22:45:31 nefo [~nefo@58.37.47.197] has joined #lisp 22:45:33 -!- nefo [~nefo@58.37.47.197] has quit [Changing host] 22:45:33 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 22:45:35 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:45:40 gienah [~mwright@ppp121-44-166-114.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 22:46:03 Ralith: atdoc, maybe 22:46:10 For extracting anemic documentation from specially-marked-up source comments? 22:46:10 (quicklispable) 22:48:09 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.176.233.24] has joined #lisp 22:48:16 nyef: in this case, I just want something that can autogenerate an index and a bunch of decent-looking signatures for every exported symbol 22:48:24 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 22:48:32 knob [~knob@66.50.243.24] has joined #lisp 22:48:32 it would actually be more convenient if the docs came from elsewhere. 22:48:38 or were added manually 22:48:42 (the english text, that is) 22:48:45 Docstrings? 22:49:06 perhaps 22:49:16 I'd like to be able to generate something like hunchentoot's API docs 22:49:44 A good chunk of the SBCL manual is extracted from a running instance by some magic bit of lisp that produces texinfo or similar. 22:50:13 Oh well Edi has something that generates that. 22:50:14 nicdev_ [~user@static-72-74-85-37.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:50:15 http://weitz.de/documentation-template/ 22:50:29 *Ralith* is trying to remember this one project that had really nice docs that he contributed to recently 22:50:41 felideon: cool, thanks 22:50:46 the first paragraph is a little unmotivating though 22:51:10 but nice disclosure 22:51:25 yeah 22:51:44 ahah! it was postmodern 22:52:16 Marijn has one too? 22:52:43 pretty sure it's manually written 22:52:45 http://marijnhaverbeke.nl/postmodern/postmodern.html 22:52:51 in fact I am sure it's manually written 22:53:01 because I contributed to it and had to manually write it 22:53:08 but that's the general sort of thing I'd like to make 22:53:52 needs more LaTeX 22:56:05 *Ralith* doesn't much care when it's only going to be viewed in browsers 22:56:10 nyef: where can I find out more about that? 22:56:59 ... the SBCL source, or recentish messages on sbcl-devel. 22:58:19 um, okay 22:58:29 pnathan [~Adium@129.101.59.40] has joined #lisp 22:58:33 -!- coderdad [~coderdad@wsip-70-164-198-85.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:58:40 -!- Guthur` [~user@host86-163-183-88.range86-163.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:27 -!- alvis [~alvis@tx-71-2-120-116.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:00:09 actually, with a bit of thought html can be printed just fine. see http://code.google.com/p/wkhtmltopdf/ 23:00:26 and latex hasn't really improved much recently 23:01:17 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-137-45.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 23:03:31 I think that's a feature 23:03:36 LaTeX is more or less 'done' 23:04:32 ^ 23:06:22 wasn't latex deprecated & supposed to be replaced by xetex ? 23:07:04 first I've ever heard of that. 23:07:14 ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has joined #lisp 23:07:43 looks interesting 23:08:10 always bothered my how LaTeX overlaps with unicode 23:08:12 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has quit [Client Quit] 23:08:13 me* 23:09:21 -!- drwho [~drwho@208.7.157.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:09:58 tbh I'm not in love with the syntax either, but it's worth it for the output 23:11:20 -!- rpg [~rpg@mpls.sift.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:14:55 alvis [~alvis@tx-71-2-120-116.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 23:15:31 -!- earlgray [~Adium@inherent.puzzler.volia.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:15:36 ikarus- [~ikarus-@76.73.16.26] has joined #lisp 23:17:07 How can i print a new line? 23:17:27 -!- milanj [~milanj_@109-93-132-137.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:17:27 Using FORMAT? 23:17:42 milanj [~milanj_@109-93-132-137.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 23:17:56 Quaydon: TERPRI will open a new line on a stream 23:17:59 clhs terpri 23:18:06 (damnit, specbot!) 23:18:59 http://lispdoc.com/?q=terpri&search=Basic+search 23:19:13 -!- hagish [~hagish@pD9FBE0C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:19:53 -!- me345 [~me345@adsl-71-131-134-78.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:20:10 DaDaDosPrompt [~DaDaDosPr@75-163-225-197.clsp.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:20:18 hello. i need a static data structure, with only one set of values. someone recommended me to use a class with static values, or to create a single instance, but it seems to me that plist would be a better fit. what do you think? 23:20:47 ikarus-: defvar and however you prefer to represent your data. 23:21:02 antifuchs, pnathan, thanks 23:21:34 (defun clhs () (interactive) (save-excursion (backward-sexp) (insert "http://l1sp.org/cl/"))) 23:21:34 23:22:06 I wanted to have something like this. '((:slot foo :slot-type string :form-type "text" .. )) 23:22:09 sorc [~frog@64.28.141.5] has joined #lisp 23:22:14 a list of values like that 23:22:23 (defvar '(make-instance thing .)) is probably going to be the simplest way to solve your issue, ikarus. 23:22:30 -!- sepeth [~user@77.79.126.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:23:25 -!- parabolize [~gyro@c-75-71-247-61.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:23:32 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 23:23:42 not sure what I gain using a class in this case though? except complication 23:25:04 not sure I undertstand your situation. you have a data bundle, if you want to keep it static, you'd probably use defvar and values that were bound at the time of initial binding 23:25:15 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75d5a7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:25:34 who used to run specbot and minion? (and, does anyone know exactly what they are supposed to provide?) I might take a stab at fixing all of that in 2012. 23:25:37 I wanted to do something like this 23:25:51 moment 23:25:51 if the databundle is a class, then use a class, if it's an alist, use an alist. if it's a type T, use a type T. I have a simple mind and that seems to be a simple solution 23:26:32 the point of this data bundle is to describe relation between class slots and input from a form on a web page 23:28:01 -!- sorc [~frog@64.28.141.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:28:31 parabolize [~gyro@c-75-71-247-61.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:28:54 -!- DorkimusPrime [DorkimusPr@cpe-74-68-108-194.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:29:08 http://paste.lisp.org/display/125825 23:29:12 does this seem reasonable? 23:29:40 :form-type can be text, textarea, radio etc 23:30:37 -!- jimmyrcom [~fold@adsl-75-53-33-186.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:31:14 I'd like to autogenerate input forms, so when I add new slots I do it in just one place 23:32:36 I don't know a lot about CLOS so if there's a better way please tell me 23:35:10 jimmyrcom [~fold@adsl-75-53-42-35.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:37:53 drwho [~drwho@208.7.157.62] has joined #lisp 23:38:05 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:40:12 Vivitron [~user@pool-173-48-170-228.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:43:59 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 23:44:01 this is pretty ugly now that i think about it, i'm mixing data and representation. . should I just abandon autogenerating input forms and do them manually? 23:44:22 oconnore [~Eric@n230-114.mtholyoke.edu] has joined #lisp 23:44:45 No. 23:44:52 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.176.233.24] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 23:44:53 I'd suggest meditating on macrology. 23:48:31 frx [~frx@76.73.16.26] has joined #lisp 23:48:50 -!- pnathan [~Adium@129.101.59.40] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:49:19 -!- frx [~frx@76.73.16.26] has left #lisp 23:49:54 urandom__ [~user@p548A5E0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 23:51:12 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.210.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:54:10 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:54:16 -!- qizwiz [~user@64.244.149.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]