00:00:02 unknown LOOP keyword: YES 00:00:03 :D 00:00:46 :) 00:03:08 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@wbs-196-2-106-67.wbs.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:03:45 -!- jaminja [~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:03:49 -!- hagish__ [~hagish@pD9FBE0C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:05:33 jaminja [~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja] has joined #lisp 00:06:22 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:07:19 ISF_ [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has joined #lisp 00:08:44 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.155.220] has joined #lisp 00:09:28 -!- gensym [~user@dslc-082-082-099-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:12:39 -!- astalla [~alessio@dynamic-adsl-94-36-53-10.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Sto andando via] 00:13:20 loz [~user@87.226.216.218] has joined #lisp 00:13:24 hi 00:13:51 i have problems with compiling swank for sbcl-1.0.51 00:13:55 http://paste.lisp.org/display/125689 00:14:38 That doesn't look very good. That's pretty unusual. 00:15:21 yeah, at home it works with same sbcl, os, and emacs 00:15:58 Don't really know what to suggest, sorry. 00:16:08 I get my swank from quicklisp, but that shouldn't make a difference. 00:16:36 ok, maybe someone already saw such bug 00:18:47 loz: what distribution are you using ? 00:18:55 -!- Phooodus [~foo@68.107.217.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:19:44 fe[nl]ix: gentoo linux 00:20:50 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 00:20:51 loz: it's a good sign of bad ram on linux. 00:21:39 kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 00:21:40 bad ram, really? i haven't any troubles with ram yet.. 00:22:07 that, or gentoo is shipping something strange. 00:22:27 hm 00:22:48 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 00:22:58 i'm compiling texlive packages now, and ram and cpu usage near 90% 00:23:16 loz: try deleting all fasls and recompiling 00:23:23 -!- jaminja [~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:23:27 ok, one min 00:24:11 jaminja [~jaminja@76.76.24.43] has joined #lisp 00:24:11 -!- jaminja [~jaminja@76.76.24.43] has quit [Changing host] 00:24:11 jaminja [~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja] has joined #lisp 00:24:59 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A25EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:25:23 urandom__ [~user@p548A25EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 00:25:28 loz: faulty RAM tends to manifest itself on a small range of physical addresses, and non-deterministically, at that. 00:25:41 -!- kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:26:04 kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 00:26:36 fe[nl]ix: same thing 00:27:15 pkhuong: shouldn't os make such memory unreachable for user applications? 00:27:36 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 00:27:42 loz: this may happen, when you have ECC memory. 00:28:02 ecc? 00:28:06 But otherwise, checking if the memory keeps valid data would be very expensive. 00:28:08 loz: only if it has a list of bad addresses. ECC can help; otherwise, you have to run a program to detect them. 00:28:13 ecc = Error Correction Chips 00:28:15 rvirding [~chatzilla@c213-89-147-188.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 00:28:15 yeah, btw, has anybody seen notebooks with ECC ram ? 00:28:32 No. Only expensive servers have ECC ram. 00:29:01 not so expensive nowadays. 00:29:09 how expensive ? 00:29:11 fe[nl]ix: I don't think mobile chips have the circuitry enabled. 00:29:12 Since it uses one or two more bits per octet, it's 12.5% or 25% more expensive than normal RAM. 00:29:27 I've a 3k notebook but no ECC 00:29:40 Also, some motherboards can support ECC RAM, but don't use it. I once bought such a motherboard with the expensive ECC RAM, and it was useless :-( 00:29:43 my hardware ~5 years old, so i'm sure it has no ECC mem) 00:29:58 loz: it's not a question of age, but of price and high end servers. 00:30:05 -!- kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:30:12 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.126.76] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30:29 it's an ordinary desktop pc 00:30:37 therefore no ecc. 00:30:51 therefore no OS online check of bad RAM 00:31:16 loz: the best you can do is to reboot your system and run MEMCHECK for the night. 00:31:27 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.126.76] has joined #lisp 00:32:47 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@111-240-175-225.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32:58 -!- lutok [~user@ip98-169-240-101.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:33:16 s0ber_ [~s0ber@111-240-175-225.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 00:33:20 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 00:33:37 ok, thanks everybody 00:36:40 msponge [~msponge@18.189.103.48] has joined #lisp 00:38:27 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.126.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:42:23 kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 00:42:45 http://paste.lisp.org/display/125690 00:42:46 ;) 00:43:41 lol, it works :) 00:44:07 looks like problem really was in texlive compiling in background 00:44:44 yeah, so bad RAM 00:44:52 or disk 00:45:42 ehine1 [~ericyoda@rrcs-72-43-70-106.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:46:29 -!- kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:46:53 kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 00:48:06 Connected. Your hacking starts... NOW! :3 00:48:43 -!- blumbri [~blumbri@c-67-181-176-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:50:53 -!- kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:51:13 kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 00:51:37 mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has joined #lisp 00:52:21 -!- arstoien [~user@c-98-229-29-223.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:52:45 -!- SegFaultAX|work [~mkbernard@173.228.45.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:53:16 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 00:54:44 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-136-247.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:55:06 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-136-247.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:55:14 lutok [~user@ip98-169-240-101.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 00:55:17 -!- kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:55:38 kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 00:58:51 Sysop_fb [fb@67.99.44.210] has joined #lisp 00:59:41 -!- kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:01:31 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:01:54 coderdad [~coderdad@ip68-97-195-24.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:02:01 -!- rvirding [~chatzilla@c213-89-147-188.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 7.0.1/20110928134238]] 01:02:13 blumbri [~blumbri@c-67-181-176-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:03:06 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 01:07:03 -!- jaminja [~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:11:02 -!- lutok [~user@ip98-169-240-101.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:12:10 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 01:13:14 -!- Matt_S_G [Matt_S_G@46.152.66.148] has quit [] 01:15:24 ybit [~ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #lisp 01:15:26 so... 01:15:32 how do you handle all those parens? 01:15:39 s/handle/keep up with 01:15:50 ybit: editor support makes it irrevelant 01:15:58 how so? 01:16:00 how do the parens keep up with me 01:16:14 Quadrescence: you are right 01:16:17 i'm looking at my .emacs right now 01:16:25 i don't see how it helps me 01:16:28 ybit: by automation - we don't see parens much, we look at indentation 01:16:30 not trolling, considering lisp 01:16:45 dmiles [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-44-148.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 01:16:48 ybit, how do you keep up with {} in C? 01:16:52 And...on separate lines even? 01:16:54 http://programmingzen.com/2007/11/30/more-on-fibonacci-oops-sorry-lisp-haskell-runs-it-5-times-faster/ 01:16:59 i'm looking at the lisp code there 01:17:05 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-44-148.cascadeaccess.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:17:13 -!- oconnore [~Eric@75-150-66-254-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:17:14 ...oh crap 01:17:23 there are multi-line paren wraps 01:17:35 okay, I see what's going on here 01:17:41 Quadrescence: i don't write c 01:17:55 sb-int:with-float-traps-masked is broken. 01:18:09 on x86-64 01:18:19 *Ralith* builds testcase 01:18:55 at some point i will return to learning c++, but not anytime soon 01:19:19 (defun printfib-trec (start end) 01:19:19 (format t "n=~D => ~D~%" start (fib-trec start)) 01:19:19 (if (< start end) 01:19:19 (printfib-trec (+ start 1) end))) 01:19:29 ybit: use paste.lisp.org to paste code. 01:19:42 aha, i see how emacs helps you to keep up with those... 01:21:24 -!- Sysop_fb [fb@67.99.44.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:21:49 -!- omgz0r [~matt@wnpgmb0909w-ad01-72-143.dynamic.mtsallstream.net] has quit [Quit: omgz0r] 01:22:22 jaminja [~jaminja@76.76.24.43] has joined #lisp 01:22:22 -!- jaminja [~jaminja@76.76.24.43] has quit [Changing host] 01:22:22 jaminja [~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja] has joined #lisp 01:23:31 ybit: equivalent programs have more parentheses in C or C++ than in Lisp. The problem is more complex in C or C++ since you have to match [ with ], { with }, and ( with ). In Lisp, it's simplier, since there's only ( to match with ). 01:24:04 Otherwise, emacs with paredit is a great help, you really don't have to bother much with parentheses when you use emacs. 01:24:16 why the lack of libs? 01:24:28 And, and in C++, it's even worse a problem with < and >... 01:24:33 lisp has been around long enough.. 01:24:42 ybit: you've been misinformed. Have a look at http://cliki.net 01:24:43 kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 01:25:01 ybit: If I were you, I wouldn't go on hearsay. Try it yourself and see if these things are real problems for you. 01:25:16 nice resource pjb 01:25:41 ybit: have a look at http://common-lisp.net too, and http://quicklisp.org/ 01:26:09 ybit: Many people use and enjoy Common Lisp. If you can use it and enjoy it, hooray! 01:26:38 ybit: when did you stop beating your wife? 01:26:46 when is lisp.org going to return back to its pre-mccarthy interface? 01:26:58 pre-mccarthy death 01:27:06 *Fare* spent an hour or two chasing some papering over a bug I fixed. Gah. 01:27:17 when there's a bug, don't paper over it, fix it! 01:27:27 pkhuong: i'm sorry, but i don't have a wife 01:27:34 i will probably be single my entire life 01:27:42 Xach: is asdf 2.018.7 good for you? 01:27:51 -!- jaminja [~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:27:58 ybit: get a life, get a wife 01:28:12 some people would think the opposite of wives :) 01:28:48 anyway 01:28:49 http://www.quicklisp.org/beta/releases.html 01:28:53 -!- kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:28:56 these are the cl libs? 01:29:13 kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 01:29:15 Fare: no. 01:29:17 No, not THE CL Libs, only SOME popular CL libs. 01:29:23 :( 01:29:27 okay, this is very strange 01:29:33 Xach: what would satisfy you? 01:29:52 I'm here to serve, but I don't understand the request. 01:29:55 pjb: is quicklisp the cabal equivalent or is it lispy? 01:30:06 It's lispy. 01:30:08 Fare: The internal functions should return the full list, and the internal clients should remove-if-not 'existsp fsvo existsp. 01:30:14 quicklisp is the no-bullshit get-me-going system 01:30:33 Fare: but it doesn't matter much to me at the moment. I won't use the functions anyway. 01:30:51 Maybe at some point in the future their available will mitigate someone else's frustration. 01:31:09 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-44-148.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 01:31:35 buhman [~zack@unaffiliated/buhman] has joined #lisp 01:31:41 I'm looking for strong opinions: is Scheme better than CL? (or vice-versa?) 01:31:47 buhman: no. 01:31:49 Apologies for the frustration. 01:31:50 cl-couch-20101207-darcs 01:31:51 hmm 01:31:55 Here, CL is better than scheme. But ask on #scheme. 01:31:59 coucdb and darcs with cl? 01:32:01 okay, good, no SBCL bug apparently 01:32:03 I was just trying to do the right thing on all platforms. 01:32:12 ^tortuguito [fulltin@186.205.15.120] has joined #lisp 01:32:52 Xach: what was the use case? Note: there are also the functions user-configuration-directories and system-configuration-directories that should return you lists. 01:33:17 -!- kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:33:19 ybit: there's a couple of couchdb libs in quicklisp. cl-couch, clouchdb, and chillax (disclosure: I wrote the last one) 01:33:20 and you can mapcar on them. 01:33:21 Fare: extend the source registry with CL code. 01:33:28 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 01:33:31 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-44-148.cascadeaccess.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:33:36 -!- dmiles [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-44-148.cascadeaccess.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:33:38 kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 01:33:48 Xach: sounds fair. If you propose an interface, I can implement it. 01:33:51 pyro- [~pyro@unaffiliated/purplepanda] has joined #lisp 01:33:57 Or if you implement one, I can merge it into asdf. 01:34:13 Or I'll happily offer you the commit bit if you don't have it. 01:34:17 ybit: and the bit that says 'darcs' means that that version of the library was taken from its darcs repository, not that it's used to interact with both couchdb and darcs. 01:34:33 -!- ISF_ [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:34:42 Fare: No, thanks. 01:34:50 ASDF is a turd, and I don't want shit on my fingers. 01:34:56 fair enough 01:35:16 I don't like it either. 01:35:20 cesarbp [~cbolano@187.193.232.190] has joined #lisp 01:35:27 It shows! 01:35:39 but I tried to make it better and portable. 01:36:05 I hated it much more before. 01:36:28 jaminja [~jaminja@76.76.24.43] has joined #lisp 01:36:29 -!- jaminja [~jaminja@76.76.24.43] has quit [Changing host] 01:36:29 jaminja [~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja] has joined #lisp 01:36:53 -!- EyesIsServer [~eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:37:41 -!- kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:38:03 kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 01:39:44 what's so bad about ASDF, anyway? 01:40:04 now at least it's portable to all maintained lisps and offers some portable pathname interface. 01:40:21 Ralith: for one, it's not declarative enough. 01:40:34 .asd files contain arbitrary lisp code, and some systems abuse that 01:41:22 that makes manipulation of software as objects tricky, as even find-system may cause arbitrary side-effects 01:41:38 (2.018.6 now exposes a locate-system that doesn't have side-effects) 01:42:05 -!- kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:42:26 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-44-148.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 01:42:45 then, there was a horrible pathname mess, that made it extremely hard and verbose to specify in a *portable* way that you want to refer to a file in a subdirectory of the source code. 01:43:51 it used to be that each implementation had and sometimes required its own slightly incompatible asdf. 01:44:12 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:44:12 at least I solved those last two problem with asdf2. 01:44:15 -!- jaminja [~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:44:28 but asdf grew to a somewhat bloated size 01:44:48 Fare, you'd hate the ASD file at my work. It's full of non-system-defining code 01:44:49 configuration used to be a mess. I made it a different mess. I believe a better one. 01:45:12 but I don't love it either. 01:45:34 Quadrescence, bad bad bad. Move it out of .asd 01:45:57 Fare, I would if previous people didn't make it so ingrained into the system and how it functions. 01:46:00 You know, it's OK for a .asd file to load some lisp code, or :defsystem-depends-on some build system. 01:46:31 that's a good first step 01:46:44 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:47:08 kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 01:47:29 that's how I started dealing with asdf at ITA: moving lots of ugly pathname stuff from .asd files and condition handling from a huge build script into a qres-build system. 01:48:40 we also fixed bugs whereby asdf1 wasn't dealing with cross-module dependencies correctly. asdf2 still doesn't deal with cross-system dependencies, but at least it's better known and should be less of an issue. 01:48:59 dmiles_a1k [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-44-148.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 01:49:13 omgz0r [~matt@wnpgmb0909w-ad01-72-143.dynamic.mtsallstream.net] has joined #lisp 01:49:47 I still want to kill asdf and replace it with something better, but my proposed replacement, xcvb, doesn't yet provide a smooth enough transition path. 01:49:55 and doesn't work well with quicklisp 01:50:10 dmiles [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-44-148.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 01:50:43 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.136.130] has joined #lisp 01:51:17 -!- kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:51:38 kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 01:53:22 lutok [~user@ip98-169-240-101.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:53:22 -!- kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:53:30 kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 01:53:38 -!- kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:54:05 but asdf is much better than its CL predecessors, so let's give that to it: it's still the sad state of the art 01:54:10 chp [~chp@c-68-45-180-238.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:54:19 Which implementation of CL requires the fewest dependencies/has the smallest footprint? ECL or CLISP? 01:55:03 -!- coderdad [~coderdad@ip68-97-195-24.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 01:55:08 ecl is packaged with all its dependencies, iirc. 01:55:22 npat [~npat@77.49.152.215.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr] has joined #lisp 01:57:08 jaminja [~jaminja@76.76.24.43] has joined #lisp 01:57:09 -!- jaminja [~jaminja@76.76.24.43] has quit [Changing host] 01:57:09 jaminja [~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja] has joined #lisp 01:58:07 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-120-203.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:00:37 knob [~knob@66.50.243.24] has joined #lisp 02:00:45 Good evening everyone! =) 02:03:16 -!- nanoc [~conanhome@186.12.27.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:03:46 Xach: if you know what you want from a build system, I'd be delighted to implement it for you, in either asdf, xcvb, or something else 02:05:00 -!- cyygni [~cyygni@cm145-159.resnet.csumb.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:05:47 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-106-91.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 02:06:39 (though hopefully, I'll come up with something that satisfies you without you having to think) 02:07:55 -!- xan_ [~xan@65.Red-95-122-110.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:08:44 coderdad [~coderdad@ip68-97-195-24.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:11:22 -!- coderdad [~coderdad@ip68-97-195-24.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:11:31 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:11:41 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:11:56 setmeaway2 [setmeaway3@118.45.149.92] has joined #lisp 02:12:10 -!- setmeaway [~setmeaway@118.45.149.92] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:12:13 cyygni [~cyygni@cm145-159.resnet.csumb.edu] has joined #lisp 02:12:56 petter`` [~user@217.118.44.36] has joined #lisp 02:12:58 -!- petter` [~user@217.118.44.36] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:17:36 nanoc [~conanhome@186.12.180.26] has joined #lisp 02:19:30 cfy [~cfy@122.228.131.76] has joined #lisp 02:19:30 -!- cfy [~cfy@122.228.131.76] has quit [Changing host] 02:19:30 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 02:19:59 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@c-67-180-54-112.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:24:45 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 02:24:54 rtoym [~chatzilla@c-67-180-54-112.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:25:15 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:25:28 -!- Jasko3 [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:26:25 Administrator [~quassel@bas2-toronto61-2925399640.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 02:26:51 -!- Administrator is now known as Guest58275 02:27:58 superflit [~superflit@71-33-148-136.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 02:30:24 http://common-lisp.net/project/movitz/files/los0.img 02:30:34 I am getting a 403 error. 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04:00:56 Just a Common Lisp REPL. 04:01:02 hll on xen is common these days 04:01:02 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:01:51 see azul systems and their jvm, or ocaml or haskell on "bare metal" 04:04:04 -!- el-maxo [~max@p57A563F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:05:36 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.54.87] has joined #lisp 04:07:01 -!- EyesIsServer [~eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:07:03 el-maxo [~max@p5DE8DA64.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 04:07:57 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.212.88] has joined #lisp 04:08:49 EyesIsServer [~eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has joined #lisp 04:08:50 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.212.88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:08:58 -!- tsuru` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-29-234.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:09:17 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.212.88] has joined #lisp 04:09:33 Quadrescence: I think there's an x86 compatible CL kernel out there somewhere. 04:09:45 Ralith, movitz 04:09:46 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.212.88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:09:48 Ralith: that's movitz 04:09:54 yeah 04:09:55 and well, SBCL-OS 04:10:00 oh, there's two? 04:10:09 technically 04:10:16 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.212.88] has joined #lisp 04:11:34 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-129-142.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:14:44 if -fomit-frame-pointer is default in GCC now, how do I go about manually compiling a SBCL that doesn't do it? 04:14:44 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.212.88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:15:16 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.212.88] has joined #lisp 04:16:25 *Ralith* really needs some decent backtrace 04:16:26 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.212.88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:16:27 s 04:16:52 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.212.88] has joined #lisp 04:17:25 -!- EyesIsServer [~eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:17:25 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.212.88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:17:54 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.212.88] has joined #lisp 04:18:39 Ralith: the default build script gets that right since august first. 04:18:48 sweet 04:18:48 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.212.88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:19:10 EyesIsServer [~eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has joined #lisp 04:19:17 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.212.88] has joined #lisp 04:21:10 pkhuong: still getting missing backtrace entries... 04:22:03 Ralith: foreign code? 04:22:15 is at the bottom of the callstack, yes, but a few layers of lisp are missing too 04:22:36 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-129-142.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 04:22:36 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.212.88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:22:39 daniel [~daniel@p5B326D74.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 04:22:44 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-129-142.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:22:57 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.212.88] has joined #lisp 04:23:51 -!- knob [~knob@66.50.243.24] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:23:52 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.212.88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:23:58 Ralith: how is the error triggered? 04:24:04 What's the dynamic context like? 04:24:04 knob [~knob@66.50.243.24] has joined #lisp 04:24:13 the error is a FP divide by zero in the C code 04:24:15 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.212.88] has joined #lisp 04:24:17 -!- daniel_ [~daniel@p5B326735.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:24:21 not sure what else you want to know 04:24:43 Ralith: so there is foreign code involved. 04:24:43 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.212.88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:24:47 yes 04:24:55 that's what I said above 04:24:59 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.212.88] has joined #lisp 04:25:09 quasisane [~sanep@c-24-218-184-186.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:25:13 We have different definitions of bottom of stack, but sure. 04:25:22 yeah, guess I misspoke 04:25:22 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.212.88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:25:25 innermost 04:25:46 The C code must be compiled with frame pointer as well if you want backtracing to work. 04:25:53 oh. 04:25:54 damn. 04:25:58 that explains a lot, thanks 04:26:05 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.212.88] has joined #lisp 04:26:18 I don't see how compiling the runtime with or without frame pointer would help or hinder backtracing through third party code. 04:26:26 I don't want to backtrace through third party code 04:26:27 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.212.88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:26:31 I want to backtrace through the lisp code. 04:26:37 I don't care about the foreign stack. 04:27:12 Ralith: the foreign code is between the top of stack and the lisp code. 04:27:23 yes 04:27:39 I guess that's what you meant by through? 04:27:41 There's some code to make sure we can resume backtracing around foreign calls, but that's not enabled at high speed setting. 04:28:02 I'm fairly sure there's no optimizer declarations at all 04:28:04 *Ralith* doublechecks 04:28:21 yeah, none in this codebase 04:28:30 tvaalen [~r@67.217.170.35] has joined #lisp 04:28:38 is the default speed setting too high, then? 04:28:50 no. 04:29:13 well, if none of my code changes it, what's going on? 04:29:28 I do have a backtrace, it just skips a few functions 04:29:40 Without code I can't help you. 04:30:11 https://github.com/Ralith/glop/tree/devel 04:31:08 I'm definitely not building a project. FWIW, C code usually expects to run with all FP traps disabled. 04:32:06 I'm aware of that. I'm trying to hunt down all the C calls which break so I can wrap them in FP trap disabling code. 04:32:23 That's made rather hard when the backtrace stops at a rather high-level function. 04:32:25 Ralith: all of them. 04:32:33 no, they don't all break 04:32:45 all of them expect FP traps to be disabled. 04:32:50 I know. 04:33:10 I don't understand the issue then. Just disable traps around all of them. 04:33:39 :/ 04:34:06 fair enough 04:37:42 mm. 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Should simplify directions for libraries that aren't or won't be in quicklisp. 10:20:11 You just unpack/checkout code there and it is available to load. 10:20:33 No more "put it somewhere, then reconfigure asdf, then you can load" 10:20:57 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 10:21:00 Xach: that's cool! 10:21:33 benkard_ [~benkard@mnch-4d04e039.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 10:21:42 Xach: it'd be great if one could symlink the project directories there and have quicklisp scan them for asdf files. 10:21:55 I think it will. Haven't tried it. 10:21:59 *Xach* tries it now 10:23:37 it does 10:23:44 prip [~foo@host11-131-dynamic.47-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 10:23:51 great! i love it already :) 10:24:03 one downside, at the moment, is the magic only works when the structure is shallow 10:24:30 *p_l* will keep doing ASDF re-inits then 10:24:39 though you can add more auto-scanned directory 10:24:43 directories, rather. 10:25:03 and you can also manual-scan for deep stuff, like with asdf already. 10:25:09 Xach: well, but then i can also add my directories to asdf:*central-registry* as before. 10:25:12 krrrcks [~user@p4FFF6B45.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:25:18 yes. 10:25:24 well, maybe that is the way i'll continue to work anyway. 10:25:27 what already works continues to work. 10:25:27 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04e039.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:25:27 -!- benkard_ is now known as benkard 10:25:49 but i hope this will make the situation easier for those who do not have an established practice. 10:26:34 Xach: that's really cool 10:27:34 *madnificent* joined too late to get the actual clue 10:28:22 and it sounds like something i could use 10:29:22 benkard_ [~benkard@mnch-4d04e039.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 10:29:38 benkard__ [~benkard@mnch-4d04e039.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 10:29:40 -!- krrrcks [~user@p4FFF6B45.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:29:54 madnificent: if you put a lisp project in ~/quicklisp/local-projects/, you can load it with ql:quickload without any additional configuration commands. 10:30:46 and you can link a directory structure to there and it'll traverse recursively, if i understood correctly. 10:31:25 i wouldn't need to configure each lisp implementation then, that'd be cool 10:31:48 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has joined #lisp 10:32:03 ... I guess not many people use ASDF2 modular configs? 10:32:05 will asdf:load-op and (under sbcl) require work on it as well? 10:32:10 Yes, though it is only scanned recursively when the toplevel directory is modified in some way. It doesn't automatically detect a deeper subdirectory change. 10:32:17 p_l: haven't heard of them, so no... 10:32:28 madnificent: yes. it works via asdf's system search mechanism. 10:32:53 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04e039.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:32:53 -!- benkard__ is now known as benkard 10:32:54 p_l: i do, but it requires a few steps to set up initially and to reconfigure at runtime when you add a project. 10:33:03 sounds very usable (and you can just touch an empty file in that directory to reload, that's not too much of a burden) 10:33:03 it doesn't do automatic rescan, but it handles deep nesting easily 10:33:18 -!- cesarbp [~cbolano@187.193.232.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:33:38 *p_l* has single :tree directive describing his general ~/projects directory 10:33:41 -!- benkard_ [~benkard@mnch-4d04e039.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:33:41 Anyway, this is a new system and i think it will be helpful. Waiting to see what issues & problems arive. 10:33:54 arrive, rather. 10:34:43 ok. Time to go make the banks give me overdraft. Give them paper evidence. B****** love paper evidence 10:35:09 too many stars for "Banks" 10:35:14 Xach: can you somehow make it *not* scan a certain directory? in case i have some library i'm developing which i don't want to be used when working on a different project? 10:35:27 Xach: cause it wasn't "Banks" 10:35:39 madnificent: one option is to not put it in that directory. 10:35:47 *p_l* has a rather annoying relationship with banks in UK 10:36:31 Xach: the most straight-forward way would be to link the top folder for all code projects in there and be done with it. 10:39:45 *prxq* has never heard much good about being a bank customer in the UK 10:41:35 ZabaQ [~johnfredc@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 10:41:45 krrrcks [~user@ip-2-205-251-23.web.vodafone.de] has joined #lisp 10:41:48 i have a little tool called addasdf that creates a link into one dir that's in the asdf:*central-registry*. So installing a package consists in unpacking the tarball or cloning the archive, and running addasdf on the .asd in question 10:43:05 -!- drwho [~drwho@c-68-81-125-196.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:43:06 -!- csdserver [~csd@unaffiliated/csddesk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:44:30 prxq: I think *central-registry* is deprecated now, actually 10:46:25 It is not. 10:46:31 oh? 10:47:03 iirc the ASDF2 docs emphasized the desirability of switching to modular configs pretty heavily 10:48:10 -!- krrrcks [~user@ip-2-205-251-23.web.vodafone.de] has left #lisp 10:48:50 That's a case where if the ASDF2 docs say that, it doesn't matter. 10:49:07 The new config system is incomplete and doesn't enough functionality to fully replace the central registry. 10:49:21 "doesn't cover enough" rather. 10:50:11 if it cannot replace the central registry, then it must be rather pathetic 10:50:16 -!- wivlaro [~bill@craftsmanltd.co.uk] has left #lisp 10:50:37 prxq: I think everyone has their own little local setup that is easy enough for each person, but hard in aggregate when you want to give someone directions for how to add a library to their lisp source registry. 10:51:11 prxq: it is better in some ways and worse in others 10:53:21 krrrcks [~dbr@ip-2-205-251-23.web.vodafone.de] has joined #lisp 10:57:39 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:59:13 -!- ngz [~user@83.131.77.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:28 -!- waveman [~tim@124.170.43.134] has left #lisp 11:08:00 -!- krrrcks [~dbr@ip-2-205-251-23.web.vodafone.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:12:23 ngz [~user@83.131.77.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 11:12:59 -!- prip [~foo@host11-131-dynamic.47-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:12:59 Xach: I was just commenting on "modular configs" that cannot replace the central registry. That sounds odd. 11:13:03 benkard_ [~benkard@mnch-4d04e039.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 11:13:13 benkard__ [~benkard@mnch-4d04e039.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 11:13:20 Xach: I agree with you on the point of giving directions 11:14:24 the central registry is not sound incredibly fancy 11:14:47 prxq: one shortcoming of the new scheme is that it is difficult to extend the registry at runtime with CL functions. 11:15:17 of the asdf2 scheme? 11:15:34 yes. 11:15:41 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-182-185.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:15:56 that sounds strange. 11:17:08 i may be wrong of course, but that sounds as if something relatively simple is being converted to rocket science. 11:17:09 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04e039.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:17:09 -!- benkard__ is now known as benkard 11:17:31 -!- benkard_ [~benkard@mnch-4d04e039.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:23:00 -!- ZabaQ [~johnfredc@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:23:17 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04e039.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:23:38 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-106-91.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:23:56 -!- loke [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:24:49 -!- anvandare [~anvandare@78-21-51-209.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:25:44 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d857bdb.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 11:25:59 prip [~foo@host214-124-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 11:26:05 -!- mtd_ [~martin@chop.xades.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:27:18 kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-181-138.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 11:29:08 -!- replore [~replore@ntkngw304073.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:29:43 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.167.59] has joined #lisp 11:30:54 loke [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 11:32:57 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 11:37:21 Guest87448 [~martin@chop.xades.com] has joined #lisp 11:40:30 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-134-149.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:42:41 anvandare [~anvandare@78-22-154-123.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 11:42:53 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 11:43:06 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-134-149.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:43:09 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-219-108.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 11:43:50 -!- Guest87448 [~martin@chop.xades.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:48:28 The fasl file segregation has been a real boon to me. 11:48:38 The rest has not been as easily detectable as a boon. 11:48:49 It emits very few boonyon particles and my detector is weak. 11:49:51 As long as it isn't reading bunion particles. 11:50:22 chenbing [~user@218.72.95.67] has joined #lisp 11:50:36 -!- MrMc [~user@brln-4db9e123.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:51:25 MrMc [~user@brln-4db9e123.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 11:53:00 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 11:54:16 -!- whoops [u549@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-frlregqmysierdqx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:54:44 *emitting 11:55:08 gensym [~user@dslc-082-082-099-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 11:55:10 troydm [~troydm@unaffiliated/troydm] has joined #lisp 11:55:41 is there any functions that finds element in alist and returns list with this element removed 11:55:46 something like remove assoc 11:55:48 ? 11:57:52 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 11:57:52 troydm: just a combination of remove and assoc should do it 11:58:07 troydm: remf 11:58:13 oh, sorry, alist. 11:58:28 (remove (assoc 'key *alist*) *alist*) 11:58:29 troydm: REMOVE with a :key of 'car should do the trick. 11:58:53 thx 11:59:13 ok, that's nicer 11:59:18 mtd [~martin@chop.xades.com] has joined #lisp 12:01:22 Xach: like (remove 'key *alist*) ? 12:01:46 in assoc there is :test #'equal 12:01:56 how should i specify that too? 12:03:09 troydm: like (remove 'key *alist* :key #'car :test #'equal) 12:03:47 Xach: ohh yup missed that key thx 12:04:12 -!- mtd [~martin@chop.xades.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:05:19 leyyer_su [~user@118.114.136.116] has joined #lisp 12:07:10 -!- chenbing [~user@218.72.95.67] has left #lisp 12:08:23 krrrcks [~dbr@ip-77-25-40-100.web.vodafone.de] has joined #lisp 12:09:17 benkard_ [~benkard@mnch-5d854ffe.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 12:10:27 no problem 12:10:28 whoops [u549@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-znnenajhocnrogzq] has joined #lisp 12:12:05 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d857bdb.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:12:05 -!- benkard_ is now known as benkard 12:15:24 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.126.76] has quit [Quit: (save-lisp-and-die)] 12:17:32 Guest83193 [~martin@chop.xades.com] has joined #lisp 12:24:41 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.126.76] has joined #lisp 12:27:36 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.126.76] has quit [Client Quit] 12:28:25 -!- leyyer_su [~user@118.114.136.116] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28:41 Xach: is there an advantage to using a concatenated-stream rather than a broadcast-stream when one wants to use with-open-stream but have the stream remain open? 12:32:45 H4ns: input vs output 12:32:55 Xach: ah! thanks! 12:33:16 i should mention that 12:33:22 *Xach* had a particular use in mind 12:37:10 finally! more useful C-y M-y behavior https://raw.github.com/lewang/le_emacs_LRU_yank/master/LRU-yank.el 12:42:11 nicdev [~user@c-76-24-21-219.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:44:46 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 12:45:18 centipedefarmer [~centipede@68.91.203.34] has joined #lisp 12:51:25 -!- anvandare [~anvandare@78-22-154-123.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:52:53 -!- krrrcks [~dbr@ip-77-25-40-100.web.vodafone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:56:12 -!- centipedefarmer [~centipede@68.91.203.34] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:57:07 Xach: did you added the issue about path names to myweb git repository? 12:58:26 I did 13:00:34 -!- hagish [~hagish@pD9FBE0C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:00:47 troydm: If you fix that, you can change your directions a bit 13:01:12 they can be: check out myweb in ~/quicklisp/local-projects/ and use (ql:quickload "myweb") to load it 13:01:15 or similar 13:01:21 Xach: i'm doing that now, i'll upload the fix in a minute, could you review it? 13:01:46 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:01:58 troydm: i'll try. 13:02:47 Xach: ok i'll let you know 13:04:52 Xach: shold i add defparameter inside .asd definition 13:05:22 Xach: defparameter of *base-directory* ? 13:06:15 -!- MrMc [~user@brln-4db9e123.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:06:30 MrMc [~user@brln-4db9e123.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 13:06:35 anvandare [~anvandare@78-22-147-133.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 13:06:47 troydm: that is what i prefer lately, yes. 13:06:51 -!- MrMc [~user@brln-4db9e123.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:07:47 centipedefarmer [~centipede@68.91.203.34] has joined #lisp 13:11:46 drake01 [~drake01@unaffiliated/drake01] has joined #lisp 13:12:58 Xach: ok i think i fixed it, can you try it out? 13:14:01 *|3b|* wonders if opticl writes .png files it doesn't want to read, or if i messed with the ones it doesn't like with something else 13:14:31 troydm: worked nicely! 13:14:54 Xach: ok, i'll close the issue then 13:14:54 troydm: i did this: cd ~/quicklisp/local-projects ; git clone git://github.com/troydm/myweb.git ; (ql:quickload "myweb") 13:15:24 *|3b|* supposes it might, since it seems to be using different libs to read and write 13:16:44 newbiest of questions: how do I do comments? :( 13:17:04 nialo-: ; comments until the end of a line 13:17:20 nialo-: #| ... |# can span multiple lines 13:17:53 <|3b|> Xach: does writing empty IDAT chunks sound like something zpng shouldn't do? (or something that has been fixed and i should pull newer code?) 13:18:23 hmm 13:18:25 thanks! 13:19:01 |3b|: sounds possible that it shouldn't do that 13:19:13 |3b|: i don't remember changing or fixing it 13:19:40 ngz` [~user@232.12.99.84.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 13:21:07 <|3b|> ok, looks like i have current version 13:23:19 wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-176-174.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:23:31 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-176-174.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:23:41 -!- ngz [~user@83.131.77.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:23:46 hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 13:24:00 *|3b|* notes that GETF doesn't do quite as good a job of putting things into a hash table as SETF :/ 13:24:01 lutok [~user@ip98-169-240-101.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 13:25:39 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-134-149.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:25:57 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-134-149.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:26:14 Xach: i'd have to create local-projects myself, right? 13:26:48 i'd suggest for quicklisp to make it if it isn't there already 13:31:39 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:35:12 <|3b|> Xach: or i guess it could be that salza2 shouldn't call the callback with 0 octets of data 13:36:05 agumonkey [~agu@34.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 13:40:13 superflit_ [~superflit@71-208-211-246.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 13:40:25 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-33-148-136.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:40:25 -!- superflit_ is now known as superflit 13:43:26 klassy [~classylad@184-13-44-67.dr01.clbg.wv.frontiernet.net] has joined #lisp 13:43:43 -!- Guest83193 [~martin@chop.xades.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:44:59 prxq: not if you upgrade the client 13:45:08 prxq: when you upgrade the client the directory is created 13:48:01 -!- klassy [~classylad@184-13-44-67.dr01.clbg.wv.frontiernet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:48:27 gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 13:49:04 *Xach* is getting the urge to hack on a manual 13:49:36 What's the proper way to update all quicklisp stuff? First (ql:update-client), reload quicklisp and (ql:update-all-dists)? 13:50:09 antoszka: yes 13:50:22 there will be a new dist today 13:50:22 Xach: Thx. 13:50:28 Cool. 13:50:50 <|3b|> oops, guess i missed another one :/ 13:51:21 Xach: I'm not sure about the terminology, though. Should I understand the dist as the current set of all available packages? 13:51:37 Xach: And is there a technical possibility of having numerous dists in parallel? 13:51:54 antoszka: yes and yes 13:51:59 ok 13:52:04 *|3b|* needs to remember to move that code to master branch one of these days 13:56:01 Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.22.207] has joined #lisp 13:56:13 <|3b|> hmm, that wasn't a bottleneck i'd have expected to find, yay for profiling :) 13:57:29 *|3b|* wonders if SBCL should optimize subseq a bit more... something like 5x speed up loading small .png with opticl 13:58:30 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:59:07 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has joined #lisp 14:01:21 oconnore [~Eric@c-66-31-125-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:01:45 -!- kovolvo [~user@p549767E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:02:10 very slightly less newbie question: I have some code in an emacs buffer with a function definition, what's the easiest way to make it so I can call that function in the emacs repl? (or I guess some other one, but that seems like it'd be harder) 14:02:48 nialo-: are you talking about a common lisp or an emacs lisp function? 14:03:34 intended to be common lisp 14:03:43 <|3b|> assuming SLIME, C-c C-c or C-M-x on the defun form, or C-x C-e immediately after it 14:03:49 nialo-: Do you mean the slime repl by emacs repl? 14:03:54 yes 14:04:00 So yeah, that's the way. 14:05:25 -!- drake01 [~drake01@unaffiliated/drake01] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:05:27 -!- ngz` [~user@232.12.99.84.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:06:55 -!- anvandare [~anvandare@78-22-147-133.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:08:09 Guest91595 [~martin@chop.xades.com] has joined #lisp 14:10:31 worked :) discovered that I've been putting things in the wrong buffer till now, oops 14:11:19 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 14:12:22 -!- Guest91595 [~martin@chop.xades.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:17:41 FreeArtMan [~FreeArtMa@93.177.213.54] has joined #lisp 14:18:07 puchacz_ [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 14:18:46 -!- lutok [~user@ip98-169-240-101.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20:26 mdl [~mdl@96.25.7.37] has joined #lisp 14:20:43 anvandare [~anvandare@78-22-153-200.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 14:20:54 -!- oconnore [~Eric@c-66-31-125-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 14:21:10 -!- mdl [~mdl@96.25.7.37] has left #lisp 14:21:52 lutok [~user@ip98-169-240-101.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 14:22:15 mdl2 [~mdl@96.25.7.37] has joined #lisp 14:22:16 LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-168-34.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:23:31 nicdev_ [~user@static-72-74-85-37.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:29:41 -!- nicdev_ [~user@static-72-74-85-37.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:32:37 mtd_ [~martin@chop.xades.com] has joined #lisp 14:35:23 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@wbs-196-2-106-67.wbs.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:36:03 jtza8 [~jtza8@41.213.32.66] has joined #lisp 14:37:00 troydm: now you can update the README :) 14:37:59 -!- lutok [~user@ip98-169-240-101.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:38:31 Xach: regarding? :) 14:38:39 Xach: I upgraded the client, and it didn't create the directory 14:38:53 "Updating from version 2011073100 to version 2011110400." 14:39:03 prxq: what else does it say? 14:39:16 gah 14:39:18 hee hee 14:40:02 That's what it said here: http://wklej.org/id/620962/ 14:40:33 the important bit is that it doesn't take effect until restart. 14:40:49 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@222.126.197.129] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:40:53 indeed. I restarted, and naturally it worked. 14:41:19 Xach: what directory is it supposed to create? 14:41:30 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has quit [Quit: Bah.] 14:41:56 Xach: maybe a prompt with "Needs restart to take effect~%hit enter to continue" would be a good idea :O) 14:42:08 or so 14:42:12 antoszka: ~/quicklisp/local-projects/ 14:42:17 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:42:26 It did, indeed. 14:42:59 you can put project directories in there and it will be automatically quickloadable 14:43:28 -!- rainyrhy_away [~rainyrhy@bb119-74-142-101.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:44:34 rainyrhy_away [~rainyrhy@bb220-255-70-69.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 14:44:34 gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 14:45:20 Xach: Will they take precedence over what's in the dist (if there's a name clash)? 14:45:42 As in, say, a locally patched version of foo. 14:45:46 -!- mtd_ [~martin@chop.xades.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:45:53 antoszka: yes 14:45:57 Great. 14:46:14 they actually take precedence over everything, currently, even things in the asdf source registry and central registry 14:46:20 not sure if i will keep it that way 14:46:22 ql will load from your asdf tree before it's libraries too 14:46:40 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181056239.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 14:46:41 The order is local-projects, asdf registry, quicklisp 14:47:22 I personally like it that way, it's a relief to me to not have to try to remember asdf's library loading syntax 14:47:26 killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 14:47:57 me too. i never use anything but ql:quickload in the repl now. 14:47:59 (asdf:load-op ... /cringe /reach-for-manual 14:48:35 Well, I used to use (require 'foo), because that worked ok in SBCL. 14:48:35 :) 14:48:44 Then I used (asdf:load-system 'foo) when that was added 14:48:49 but now it is always (ql:quickload 'foo) 14:50:16 even for local systems not part of ql? 14:50:26 Do I have to fill in the system-index.txt file manually? 14:50:36 antoszka: no. 14:50:46 LiamH: yes. 14:50:49 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 14:50:53 Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has joined #lisp 14:50:56 I symlinked my project dirs to local-projects and that didn't seem to work. 14:51:04 Any other steps I need to take? 14:51:09 lolsuper_ [~super_@pool-173-65-194-148.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:51:09 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@pool-173-65-194-148.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:51:09 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 14:51:29 antoszka: hmm, i would expect it to work. can you show me ls -l ~/quicklisp/local-projects/ and ~/quicklisp/local-projects/system-index.txt? 14:52:02 err 14:52:03 -!- wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-176-174.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:52:05 -ld on the directory 14:52:06 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-176-174.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:52:17 Xach: http://wklej.org/id/620975/ 14:52:26 oudeis [~oudeis@120.196.99.13] has joined #lisp 14:52:47 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 14:52:48 drwxr-xr-x 2 antoni antoni 4096 Nov 5 15:49 /home/antoni/quicklisp/local-projects// 14:52:52 Xach: That's the -ld 14:53:07 *Xach* scratches chin more 14:53:11 system-index is empty, as you can see. 14:53:40 antoszka: does it fill up if you do (ql:register-local-projects)? 14:53:43 Isn't there some magical (populate-local-system-index) I need to run :) 14:53:44 ah. 14:53:47 let's see 14:54:11 lutok [~user@ip98-169-240-101.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 14:54:21 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-176-174.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:54:27 Returns NIL, file still 0. Let me check one thing. 14:54:43 hmm 14:54:50 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-176-174.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:55:03 i'll have to investigate more in a bit, leaving now. 14:55:07 Xach: I removed the czolgi thing, it's not properly asd-ified. 14:55:11 Xach: But still, same effect. 14:56:05 Xach: When I moved the directory there it worked as expected. So the symlink seemes to have been the problem. 14:56:16 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:57:04 (for now I'll symlink *to* quicklisp local-projects from where the directory originally was, fine with me) 14:57:24 -!- rainyrhy_away is now known as rainyrhy 14:57:27 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@94.144.63.5] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:57:34 antoszka: what lisp do you use? 14:57:44 Xach: sbcl 1.0.52. 14:57:57 ok, thanks. i would like symlinks to work. i'll see what's up. 14:58:03 Thx. 14:59:54 Xach: Also, ql-dist:system-apropos doesn't seem to return matches for the stuff in local-projects. 15:05:10 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:14 DamienCassou [~cassou@fibz10.fh-potsdam.de] has joined #lisp 15:05:22 hi 15:05:48 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.167.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:07:32 how can I print to a stream a list that represents a defun? I would like the list to be printed using standard CL conventions 15:08:10 (...) 15:08:22 (format stream "~Z" '(defun f (x) "blabla" (* x 2))) 15:08:26 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:08:30 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:08:50 something like this, but the Z formatter parameter does not exist obviously :-) 15:09:04 DamienCassou: there is no such thing. 15:09:15 H4ns: thanks :-) 15:09:19 DamienCassou: emacs can (re)format your source code. 15:09:34 DamienCassou: you're doing it wrong. and if you're teaching, you're teaching the wrong things. 15:09:42 Use the pretty-printer? 15:10:00 H4ns: I'm writting a DSL to create the slides for my presentation 15:10:18 DamienCassou: then copy and paste from emacs. 15:11:11 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:11:15 I would like to do something like: http://pastebin.com/40tGw3Fg 15:11:29 rtoy: which pretty-printer? 15:11:39 rtoym: which pretty-printer? 15:12:08 (pprint '(defun f (x) "bla" (* x 2))) 15:12:39 Or (write :pretty t) 15:13:04 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 15:13:31 mtd [~martin@chop.xades.com] has joined #lisp 15:14:53 Well, that only helps with making the lisp part pretty. 15:14:55 the printer control variables may be useful too (*print-right-margin* and friends) 15:14:55 rtoym: doesn't work as the function parameter is on a new line (as in http://pastebin.com/40tGw3Fg) 15:15:33 If you want the function parameter on a new line, you can tell the pretty printer to do that too. 15:16:03 The pretty-printer is customizable. 15:16:22 DamienCassou: why is slide a macro? 15:16:52 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:16:54 rtoym: it is the opposite: it's on a new line and I want it on the same line 15:17:17 prxq: because I want to print things before, after, and what is in the middle can be multiple expressions 15:18:47 DamienCassou: You can tell the pretty printer to do that too. 15:20:26 rtoym: do you have a link to some documentation about that please? 15:20:33 ehine1 [~ericyoda@rrcs-72-43-70-106.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:20:48 DamienCassou: do you know the hyperspec? 15:21:09 prxq: that's the only thing I know :-) 15:21:26 tsuru [~charlie@adsl-74-179-29-234.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 15:21:28 prxq: I meant: is there any thing higher level than the hyperspec? 15:21:41 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has joined #lisp 15:22:02 well, there are a couple of books. WRT the pretty printer, you can also try CLtL2 15:22:42 chenbing [~user@218.72.95.67] has joined #lisp 15:22:46 rtoym: something like http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/22_ced.htm 15:22:55 I'm not aware of any book that talks about customizing the pretty printer. Look for set-pprint-dispatch and then dig through pprint.lisp in cmucl or sbcl. 15:23:09 thanks 15:23:10 what's the most popular web framework for cl now? 15:23:19 clanck ? 15:23:46 -!- lutok [~user@ip98-169-240-101.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:23:48 *clack* 15:24:18 ttt-- [~ubuntu@94-225-100-177.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 15:24:54 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-131-187.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:27:03 -!- nanoc [~conanhome@186.157.169.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:29:47 troydm: it depends on what you'd consider a framework, but hunchentoot's easy-handlers are probably the most popular one. 15:33:15 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@120.196.99.13] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:33:16 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:35:31 lbc [~quassel@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #lisp 15:35:59 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:36:26 H4ns: no i mean something like jsf is for java 15:38:16 -!- ramusara [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:38:51 troydm: there have been multiple attempts to create some higher-level web platform, but none of them really gained traction beyond the initial projects, afaik. 15:39:00 -!- anvandare [~anvandare@78-22-153-200.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:39:29 troydm: like H4ns says, hunchentoot is probably the most popular, but it's pretty minimal. Of the web -frameworks-, weblocks and ucw get mentioned a lot. 15:41:00 and what's all that talk about PLT Racket 15:41:00 there's also restas, but I didn't get the impression that it provides much more than what hunchentoot already gets you. 15:41:11 (and what you'd inevitably develop for your own project in relatively little time) 15:41:11 is it worth spending time to ? 15:41:28 troydm: Racket is a different language than Lisp. 15:41:42 you'd need to go ask #racket about it :) 15:41:43 sykopomp: yes but it seems not too different 15:42:13 troydm: you wouldn't go into #ruby and ask them about #python just because they don't seem too different. 15:42:25 or maybe you would 15:43:01 or maybe going to ##javascript and asking for advice about java is more accurate. 15:43:38 sykopomp: that's a nice idea you have there 15:43:50 sykopomp: i'll start from ruby channel 15:43:53 :) 15:44:03 glhf 15:44:32 thx 15:47:15 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.114.83] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:47:19 sdemarre1 [~serge@91.176.114.83] has joined #lisp 15:48:19 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has joined #lisp 15:49:57 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@41.213.32.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:49:59 wildnux [~wildnux@68-191-210-76.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has joined #lisp 15:53:41 k9quaint [~k9quaint@c-50-131-165-108.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:53:47 anvandare [~anvandare@78-22-144-171.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 15:54:11 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:59:42 morphism [~Nevermind@123.16.109.80] has joined #lisp 16:03:19 -!- Euthy [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 16:03:36 Euthy [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #lisp 16:04:23 tarmil [~user@business-178-48-18-229.business.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 16:06:08 cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.194] has joined #lisp 16:06:09 Euthy` [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #lisp 16:07:26 -!- Euthy [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:09:10 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-168-34.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:10:53 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181056239.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:10:55 xzhaoyang [~xzhaoyang@118.114.42.49] has joined #lisp 16:12:09 nanoc [~conanhome@186.123.185.60] has joined #lisp 16:13:26 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.194] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:14:30 cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.194] has joined #lisp 16:18:29 wws [~billstcla@p-69-195-58-96.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 16:18:57 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:19:01 -!- wws is now known as billstclair 16:19:12 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@81.211.133.54] has joined #lisp 16:19:12 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@81.211.133.54] has quit [Changing host] 16:19:12 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 16:19:15 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-69-195-58-96.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:19:15 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 16:19:33 Maybe this is a bug in SBCL! 16:20:00 Xach: the symlink problem? 16:20:17 yeah. looks like clisp behaves the same way so i'm not off the hook. 16:20:25 -!- billstclair is now known as wws 16:20:35 *Xach* digs 16:20:42 -!- DamienCassou [~cassou@fibz10.fh-potsdam.de] has left #lisp 16:21:30 -!- manuel_ [~manuel_@p57920490.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: manuel_] 16:26:10 oudeis [~oudeis@222.126.197.129] has joined #lisp 16:28:24 bleh, divergent behavior. some lisps do what i want, others don't. oh well. 16:29:34 Everyone switch to ECL or LispWorks, ok? 16:30:19 what problem is that? 16:31:40 zenlunatic [~justin@c-68-48-40-231.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:31:55 -!- centipedefarmer [~centipede@68.91.203.34] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:33:08 nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p4FE33ADE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:34:56 krrrcks [~dbr@ip-2-205-230-81.web.vodafone.de] has joined #lisp 16:35:40 -!- FreeArtMan [~FreeArtMa@93.177.213.54] has quit [Quit: 1/0] 16:37:14 prxq: I have a directory entry foo/bar that is a symlink to src/bar, and src/bar/baz.asd exists. i want (directory "foo/*/*.asd") to return baz.asd. 16:37:30 Bike [~Glossina@71-214-110-173.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:37:30 it does in ecl and lispworks, does not in ccl or sbcl or clisp 16:38:47 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 16:39:31 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-004-204.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 16:41:07 cesarbp [~cbolano@187.193.232.190] has joined #lisp 16:42:27 -!- nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p4FE33ADE.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 16:44:28 chenbing` [~user@218.72.95.67] has joined #lisp 16:44:32 ECL can make standalone executable app ? 16:44:46 morphism: yes 16:44:49 not a shink of image ? 16:45:14 jtza8 [~jtza8@iburst-41-213-19-180.iburst.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:46:40 -!- chenbing [~user@218.72.95.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:47:42 -!- xzhaoyang [~xzhaoyang@118.114.42.49] has left #lisp 16:48:07 a shink? 16:48:16 FreeArtMan [~FreeArtMa@93.177.213.54] has joined #lisp 16:49:28 Isn't that where you go out to eat? 16:50:05 centipedefarmer [~centipede@68.91.203.34] has joined #lisp 16:50:49 -!- FreeArtMan [~FreeArtMa@93.177.213.54] has quit [Client Quit] 16:51:45 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@iburst-41-213-19-180.iburst.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:51:49 sorry I mean a "Shrink" 16:52:16 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 16:52:41 morphism: did you check the manual? 16:54:17 lutok [~user@ip98-169-240-101.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:54:52 *prxq* discovers that osicat's manual and its source did diverge 16:55:44 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 16:57:24 -!- puchacz_ [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:57:27 If I ever used ECL, I must haven't asked 16:58:47 can someone fix ] for ~ in mcclim ? 16:58:50 lol 16:59:24 or climacs if you want..... 16:59:51 (caddr '(a b (c . d)));=>(C . D I feel it should oupput C 17:01:03 chenbing`: what do you feel cddr should return? 17:01:12 jtza8 [~jtza8@wbs-41-208-218-110.wbs.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:01:44 in Paul Graham book ,he said "car of cdr of cdr" 17:01:58 chenbing`: try cddr on that form 17:05:12 LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-168-34.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:06:12 (caddr '(a b (c . d)));(C . D)(cddr '(a b (c . d)));((C . D)) 17:06:37 maybe this word should not be suggested,haa 17:06:39 haha 17:06:40 if that didn't clear it up for you try these (caddr '(a b . (c . d))), (caddr '(a b (c . d) . nil)) 17:08:25 -!- nanoc [~conanhome@186.123.185.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:08:26 and (equal '(a b (c . d)) '(a b (c . d) . nil)) 17:08:48 Vivitron: seems so odd,I really doubt if necessary,but i will try fist 17:10:29 -!- chenbing` [~user@218.72.95.67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:10:37 -!- mtd [~martin@chop.xades.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:10:42 chenbing` [~user@218.72.95.67] has joined #lisp 17:13:44 -!- cesarbp [~cbolano@187.193.232.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:14:46 (caddr '(a b . (c. d)));=>C. oh my god 17:14:58 this break my knowledge 17:15:12 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has joined #lisp 17:15:37 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-004-204.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:18:07 -!- ljos [~mozzyb@login1.uib.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:18:56 what is (code-char 732) on yours ? 17:19:00 is that tilde ? 17:19:02 ~ 17:19:26 the fonts are so small in mcclim i can rarely read it correctly...... 17:19:27 I get #\SMALL_TILDE 17:19:40 hmmm 17:20:48 iwillig [~ivan@pool-173-77-70-167.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:22:10 nanoc [~conanhome@186.123.81.106] has joined #lisp 17:22:13 ljos [~mozzyb@login1.uib.no] has joined #lisp 17:22:42 -!- ruediger_ is now known as ruediger 17:23:55 -!- rainyrhy is now known as rainyrhy_away 17:24:21 HaltingState [~HaltingSt@unaffiliated/haltingstate] has joined #lisp 17:24:40 how do i execute a list of statements, in order? such as inside of the body of a let statement? 17:25:05 lisp has only expressions 17:25:20 -!- centipedefarmer [~centipede@68.91.203.34] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:25:22 but what you wanted to know was progn 17:25:42 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:26:18 Error: eval: unbound variable: progn 17:26:24 this is in gimp 17:26:45 i have a list of expressions i need run; in the body of a let statement 17:26:49 progn does not exist 17:26:52 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has joined #lisp 17:27:21 you should probably join another channel for gimp lisp debugging 17:27:33 i have no idea what that channel might be. this channel is for common lisp 17:27:54 I think GIMP uses Scheme, so #scheme? 17:28:17 or possibly #gimp? 17:28:55 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-019-091.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:29:01 they dont answer questions in gimp 17:29:04 i think i figure it out 17:29:14 if you add additional body statements, it will just execute them 17:29:47 I read SICP years ago; really should remember this -_- 17:30:46 Then #scheme is probably best if you have more questions. 17:31:50 -!- HaltingState [~HaltingSt@unaffiliated/haltingstate] has left #lisp 17:32:48 homie: Well, the variant of Scheme GIMP uses if probably guile, do there might be a #guile somewhere. 17:33:08 -!- morphism [~Nevermind@123.16.109.80] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:12 homie: And what you want is (begin forms) 17:33:25 (afair) 17:35:16 HaltingState: you are welcome 17:35:17 mtd [~martin@chop.xades.com] has joined #lisp 17:35:29 -!- nanoc [~conanhome@186.123.81.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:36:43 Hm. Tabfail. 17:38:08 lol 17:38:09 np 17:38:29 my problem is mccmlin not havint ~ 17:38:37 when i press the key for ~ i get ] rather 17:38:54 and i wonder what to edit in order to get that right...... 17:39:00 bleh 17:39:21 nanoc [~conanhome@186.123.81.106] has joined #lisp 17:39:24 am trying to change the listener background color now 17:39:37 success 17:40:13 -!- mtd [~martin@chop.xades.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:40:16 homie: that's weird (th ~ ] issue) 17:41:36 -!- gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:43:52 hmmm, i don't know..... 17:44:17 Sounds like a keyboard layout issue 17:44:53 mtd [~martin@chop.xades.com] has joined #lisp 17:44:54 "~" is in the ASCII character table. You don't even need iso-8859-1 for it. 17:45:09 (i.e. latin-1) 17:45:18 X issue. 17:45:49 -!- krrrcks [~dbr@ip-2-205-230-81.web.vodafone.de] has left #lisp 17:46:34 its defined as (define-keysym :|~| #x7e) in clx backend 17:48:36 What do you get when you press "[" 17:48:43 ... er, 17:48:47 "]" 17:49:17 9 17:49:25 AltGr+9=9 here 17:49:47 Well, sounds like the keyboard mapping is off. :) 17:50:07 Shift-AltGr+9 is ( 17:51:37 -!- iwillig [~ivan@pool-173-77-70-167.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:51:54 You'll have to identify the keysym codes and re-wire them. 17:52:25 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:52:35 I tried running something clx-based, within hemlock I got [] OK. 17:52:47 Can't enter ~, though, cause it doesn't react to shift :) 17:53:09 Unless there's a way to change mcclim's keyboard layout. 17:53:25 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-218-248.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:54:56 homie: In other words, (1) ensure you've got the right keyboard map. (2) If you do, and they keys are messed-up for no reason, you'll have to adjust the keymap bindings. 17:55:12 homie: In climacs ~[] work just fine for me. 17:55:58 *the 17:56:16 i got the right keyboard map, what else ? 17:56:28 i wouldn't be able to input ~ in here .... 17:57:13 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75dc37.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:57:40 state 0x11, keycode 49 (keysym 0x7e, asciitilde), same_screen YES,  same keysym passed from my X environment. 17:57:56 homie: do you get the same keysym when pressing ~? 17:58:30 well it works in other apps all the same just not in the mcclim-listener and climacs...... 17:58:57 EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@190.244.27.236] has joined #lisp 17:59:40 There's an app that will tell you the keysym for an X key, forgot its name. 18:00:11 xev ? 18:00:44 xev is what I posted the output from, yes. 18:01:11 akovalen` [~anton@95.73.218.140] has joined #lisp 18:01:47 The clim-listener works as expected, too. 18:01:53 -!- akovalen` [~anton@95.73.218.140] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:56 homie: What X keyboard layout are you running? 18:02:05 -!- akovalenko [~anton@95.72.168.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:02:24 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.176.225.75] has joined #lisp 18:02:30 homie: when you run xev, and you press "~", what keysym value does it have? 18:02:31 keycode 108, keysym 0xfe03, keysymtokeycode:92 18:02:48 iso-level3-shift 18:02:48 Ok 18:03:37 -!- loz [~user@87.226.216.218] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:46 loz [~user@87.226.216.218] has joined #lisp 18:03:56 If you need the ~ right now, just change the keysym value in the backend. 18:04:32 Kron [~Kron@69.166.22.207] has joined #lisp 18:04:38 -!- gensym [~user@dslc-082-082-099-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:04:51 homie: That explains it. What layout is that? 18:04:58 -!- Kron is now known as Guest20995 18:05:04 keycode 35 (keysym 0xfe53, dead_tilde), same_screen YES, 18:05:04 XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (7e) "~" 18:05:04 18:05:07 ups sorry 18:05:16 the first one was only for altgr i think 18:05:26 (btw, my clim-listener errors upon encountering any non-ascii character) 18:05:35 urandom__ [~user@p548A4A66.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:05:41 Hmm... 18:05:45 homie: Yeah, a dead-tilde is not the same as tilde. 18:05:54 homie: Different purpose, different keysym. 18:06:13 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.22.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:06:27 hmmmm 18:06:30 ok what now ? 18:06:45 should i get rid of the dead mappings ? 18:07:04 ie. not load latin-no-dead-keys keymap ? 18:07:27 or wait is that dead-keys what i have, thats why ? 18:07:57 iirc, a dead-key works like this: 18:08:09 dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 18:08:31 akovalenko [~anton@95.73.218.140] has joined #lisp 18:08:32 On windows " in the international keymapping is a dead-key 18:09:28 when followed by e or something, you'd get ëë 18:09:29 on X my input device for keyboard has only driver kbd, and no options... 18:10:44 If you could disable dead keys on your X keyboard layout, then I suppose clx should work. 18:10:57 it is generated from default 18:12:03 Which OS are you using? (Linux probably, if so which distro?) 18:13:27 centipedefarmer [~centipede@68.91.203.34] has joined #lisp 18:14:47 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:15:31 -!- paul0 [~user@177.16.150.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:15:48 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:18:07 slackware 18:18:09 iwillig [~ivan@ool-ad03c1a0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 18:18:17 puchacz_ [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:18:32 And ~ works in all other apps? 18:18:38 yes 18:19:06 i think ~ is mapped to the dead one, and i have the standard keyboard layout for german ..... 18:19:48 i changed to dead-keys variant now and try to load the listener again.... 18:20:01 i'll see if there's any change.... 18:20:20 or do i have to restart kdm ? 18:20:47 hmm, seems i have to give the variant in xorg.conf and not only in kdms env.... 18:23:39 hmm... any way to interrupt a thread at specified time without actually putting any checks in the thread? SIGALARM style, that is 18:24:39 homie: This link could be handy http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/X11Keymaps 18:24:50 ... for minor keymap adjustments. 18:25:02 lnostdal_ [~lnostdal@124.80-203-136.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 18:25:07 (e.g. making ~ non-dead) 18:28:08 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-18-242.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:30:14 paul0 [~user@177.16.150.178] has joined #lisp 18:30:30 homie: Working now? 18:30:58 situ [~quassel@223.180.36.93] has joined #lisp 18:31:28 -!- duomo [~duomo@cpe-69-204-169-245.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 18:31:38 -!- jaminja [~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:32:48 -!- EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@190.244.27.236] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6-rc2] 18:35:23 -!- situ [~quassel@223.180.36.93] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36:01 -!- iwillig [~ivan@ool-ad03c1a0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:36:37 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-019-091.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:37:59 dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 18:39:53 -!- H4ns [5b3d5d05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.61.93.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:40:50 dnolen [davidnolen@nat/google/x-anbslzpgdqdnnorj] has joined #lisp 18:44:34 Shaftoe [~Moe111@modemcable037.54-22-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 18:44:54 hi all.. 18:45:17 should I care that defmacro will sometimes expand full function names (including package), and other times just use the simple symbol name without package? 18:45:55 This is a case of "it works, but my OCD is unhappy" 18:46:00 Shaftoe: it's the same symbol either way. 18:46:06 The only difference is due to the printer. 18:46:53 pkhuong: you are right. 18:47:02 so what's making the printer behave differently? 18:47:11 *package* 18:48:29 well, I've done rudimentary first tests, and even when I'm cl-user, I Get different behaviour. and I'm fairly certain I didn't give a use directive 18:48:36 in any case, my OCD doesn't feed the kids. 18:48:40 thanks for your time anyways =) 18:48:44 drake01 [~drake01@unaffiliated/drake01] has joined #lisp 18:49:07 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@94.144.63.3] has joined #lisp 18:49:52 -!- drake01 [~drake01@unaffiliated/drake01] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 18:50:37 drake01 [~drake01@unaffiliated/drake01] has joined #lisp 18:53:02 -!- puchacz_ [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:54:34 H4ns [57bd6f31@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.189.111.49] has joined #lisp 18:55:29 -!- mdl2 [~mdl@96.25.7.37] has quit [Quit: mdl2] 18:58:36 -!- Hydra-MPP [~Hydra-MPP@pool-108-5-120-252.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59:07 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:00:18 Administrator [~quassel@bas2-toronto61-2925399640.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 19:00:44 -!- Administrator is now known as Guest96517 19:01:15 -!- wildnux [~wildnux@68-191-210-76.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:03:10 Phoodus [~foo@68.107.217.139] has joined #lisp 19:03:14 -!- lbc [~quassel@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:03:18 -!- Guest96517 [~quassel@bas2-toronto61-2925399640.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:03:33 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ei1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 19:03:53 -!- mtd [~martin@chop.xades.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:06:19 wildnux [~wildnux@68-191-210-76.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:06:20 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:07:33 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has joined #lisp 19:11:29 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has joined #lisp 19:12:48 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:16:18 -!- easyE [gUYCcRSeM3@panix2.panix.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:17:35 kokonero [kokonero@caj3.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 19:18:07 -!- Phoodus [~foo@68.107.217.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:18:31 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 19:23:00 jtza8: sorry i was away 19:23:08 -!- cnl [~cnl@95.106.27.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:23:40 jtza8: if anything has to be changed it's to be changed in mcclim i think not in my global keymap or so... 19:24:02 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@222.126.197.129] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:24:05 Shaftoe: i'd be interested in seeing a paste of the different behavior. 19:24:22 jtza8: yes the dead-keys don't work as i press `a i don't get the grave accent or so 19:24:59 jtza8: (code-char 126) in :cl-user gets me #\~ 19:25:24 jtza8: but in mcclim i think the same code-char for #\~ is 732 19:25:36 jtza8: so i don't know what's wrong 19:26:06 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-32-140.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 19:26:17 jtza8: i'm just going to find the font size option in clim-listener and set it to larger or so 19:26:27 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-32-140.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has left #lisp 19:26:37 jtza8: that way i could be sure that code-char 732 is really #\~ in :clim-user 19:27:10 cnl [~cnl@95.106.27.202] has joined #lisp 19:27:26 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.181] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:27:31 jtza8: on the listener i get a iso-level3-shift is unbound message on the lower pane 19:27:39 jtza8: when i press ~ there 19:27:59 jtza8: maybe the problem is elsewhere ? 19:28:01 -!- benny [~benny@i577A2A0E.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:29:15 (define-dead-key-combination (code-char 126) (:dead-tilde #\space)) maybe that's the problem ? it's in dead-keys.lisp in mcclim 19:29:29 Guest85157 [~martin@chop.xades.com] has joined #lisp 19:29:46 i don't know 19:31:25 keycode 35 = plus asterisk bracketright braceright asciitilde macron <- that's my current xmodmpa -pke telling 19:31:38 and keycode 35 is what i got with xev for ~ too 19:31:50 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-18-242.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 19:31:52 so the asci version is 35 not 126 19:33:36 (1) keycode is not ascii (it never has been). (2) code-char doesn't depend on current package (if it looks like it does, that's likely a font issue). 19:37:30 akovalenko: (loop for i from 125 to 127 do (print (code-char i))) gives me the tilde both in :cl-user and in :clim-user yes ok confirmed, it was a font issue or my eyes..... 19:37:38 dnolen_ [davidnolen@nat/google/x-zglgbnpkonnikbrc] has joined #lisp 19:37:53 akovalenko: ok so why is iso-level3-shift unbound and where ? 19:39:04 benny [~benny@i577A30CE.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 19:39:09 sorry, I'm not really interested. Iso-level3-shift is not bound /anywhere/, obviously (iirc, for MCCLIM it means "unbound in all active ESA command tables").. 19:39:10 -!- dnolen [davidnolen@nat/google/x-anbslzpgdqdnnorj] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:39:11 -!- dnolen_ is now known as dnolen 19:40:54 -!- Guest85157 [~martin@chop.xades.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:42:36 mindCrime_ [~chatzilla@24.106.207.82] has joined #lisp 19:45:47 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 19:54:29 -!- hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:56:08 DualDetroit [4c76594d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.118.89.77] has joined #lisp 19:56:15 Oh, you know it baby!!! Dual Detroit be in da Motor City tonight! 19:59:02 well if i switch to dead-keys or no-dead-keys layout doesn't make any difference for clim-listner i still get ] for ~, but in cmucl i get now a \340 instead 19:59:18 -!- centipedefarmer [~centipede@68.91.203.34] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:00:09 for à 20:00:43 the same in sbcl so having or not having dead-keys is not the issue definetely 20:01:50 chp [~chp@c-68-45-180-238.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:01:54 i just wonder why i have to press AltGr+*+Space in order to get a ~ in my system 20:02:09 without the space it does not work 20:02:30 the space means to input the combining character by itself. 20:02:55 ah ok 20:04:43 homie: switch to a US QWERTY layout. 20:05:04 ah 20:05:14 i'm on qwertz 20:05:31 That's why you have those problems. 20:05:48 pjb: but switching to qwerty will make the other apps behave differently then ....! 20:05:55 No. 20:06:12 Changing the keyboard layout only change where you have to put your fingers to get the characters. 20:06:22 Can you bind ~ to an AltGr+*+Space macro? 20:08:21 homie: you want to get #\~ when you put your finger on the key marked ~/`; The way to do that is to use the US QWERTY layout. 20:08:28 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:09:39 -!- nanoc [~conanhome@186.123.81.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:09:39 Have you ever seen the character ~ in the German literature? That's why it's not easy to type it on a German layout, because it's not used often, it's not optimized to a single key. 20:09:51 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-131-187.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 20:10:27 On the other hand, in computer systems, which were developed by americans, ~ occurs often enough, so it's optimized on a single key. 20:10:42 (in the US QWERTY layout). 20:10:50 ok i changed the layout to qwerty and my z and y are changed now and am now restarting cmucl and mcclim 20:11:27 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d854ffe.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:11:30 heh, still no go 20:11:46 Administrator [~quassel@bas2-toronto61-2925399640.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 20:12:05 still the same ] in clim-listener, it's not qwerty/qwertz issue 20:12:12 -!- Administrator is now known as Guest337 20:12:13 You may also want to buy a keyboard like this: http://www.getdigital.de/products/Das_Keyboard_Model_S without markings, so that you are not misled by any markings when you change layouts... 20:12:44 pjb: i'm not mislead and mz kezboard is fine 20:12:49 Ok :-) 20:12:49 zou see 20:13:12 that's because of querty now 20:13:33 So in a terminal, shift-` gives ~ and in clim it gives ] ? 20:14:08 in terminal, in emacs all elsewhere it gives a ~ just not in the clim-listener and in climacs.... 20:14:37 i get both a ] for ~ in mcclim clim-listener and climacs 20:14:41 Yes, then clim is definitely doing something bad. It should not translate it to ]. 20:15:01 where does the translation happen, if i only knew 20:15:16 Have you modified dead-keys.lisp in mcclim as indicated above? 20:15:30 and the message iso-level3-shift is unbound still appear in clim-listener 20:15:43 Comment out the line (define-dead-key-combination (code-char 126) (:dead-tilde #\space)) you saw. 20:15:44 tho clx-backend has the keysym defined for it 20:15:59 knob2 [~knob@66.50.243.24] has joined #lisp 20:16:00 ok next i'll delete that line 20:16:03 homie: Dead-keys 20:16:15 n.m 20:16:54 *jtza8* was a few pages back. 20:17:06 (of irssi output) 20:17:30 -!- knob2 [~knob@66.50.243.24] has quit [Client Quit] 20:18:07 pon1980 [~pon1980@h195n2-haes-a12.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #lisp 20:19:06 nanoc [~conanhome@186.13.114.227] has joined #lisp 20:19:17 -!- knob [~knob@66.50.243.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:20:21 pjb: still no go 20:20:51 pjb: maybe it's a clx issue itself not the backend or mcclim ? 20:21:09 iwillig [~ivan@ool-ad03c1a0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 20:21:09 pjb: or why would iso-level3-shift be unbound ? 20:21:35 knob [~knob@66.50.243.24] has joined #lisp 20:24:41 crassus [~crassus@96-42-254-21.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 20:24:42 homie: (define-keysym :|~| #xfe53) 20:24:52 That would give you ~ 20:24:58 tortuguito [fulltin@186.205.15.120] has joined #lisp 20:25:01 With your old keyboard layout 20:25:18 danishman [~kvirc@0xbcb095dd.ngnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 20:25:45 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-18-242.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:26:10 That's a guess, still, if you'd like to get dead-keys working properly you'd need to know how clx handles them. 20:26:49 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-18-242.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 20:27:38 Since I don't really know anything about clx, I can't help any more than that. 20:28:07 I'm guessing clx doesn't support non-QWERTY keymaps. 20:28:42 So you'll have to add support for that first, and then define a QWERTZ map. 20:28:47 (define-keysym :|~| #x7e) in keysymdef.lisp in clx backend of mcclim 20:29:07 so that would not match anyway ? 20:29:12 -!- tortu [fulltin@186.205.15.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:30:07 It could be that key #x7e results in ~ 20:30:13 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-18-242.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:30:19 I don't think it's a clx problem, since it doesn't occur in other clx programs. 20:30:30 homie: You should track the processing of keycodes in mcclim. 20:30:59 keycodes and characters, since it seems mcclim plays trick with characters (too late a stage IMO). 20:31:00 clx asks X server for mapping, so all simple, xmodmap-level, one-key-per-char stuff should work. Group shifts, dead keys, etc. can be problematic, as we see, but there's nothing special about QWERTZ (after all, I have no problems with dvorak). 20:31:50 *clx asks Xserver for keycode->keysym mapping 20:33:01 -!- paul0 [~user@177.16.150.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:33:38 Hi, I keep reading about how in Lisp, data and code are the same thing. I'm trying to understand this and I don't quite follow what is meant. 20:33:43 Could any of you all explain? 20:34:33 Not quite "the same thing". 20:34:53 Code can easily be represented in terms of data structures within the programming language. 20:35:04 And no, strings aren't representations of the code. :p 20:35:25 Easily represented and manipulated 20:35:54 Lisp code is data, in that it's lists of symbols, lists and numbers basically. 20:38:36 oconnore [~Eric@75-150-66-254-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 20:38:50 so lisp is basically lists, lists of symbols, and lists of numbers? 20:39:02 how do macros fit in then/ 20:39:17 crassus: no. lisp syntax is lists. 20:39:49 crassus: a macro takes lisp source code in list form (usually) and returns new source code in list form. 20:40:09 how is that useful then Xach ? 20:40:16 like, why would I want to use a macro? 20:40:44 -!- drake01 [~drake01@unaffiliated/drake01] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:40:45 You can define new control structures with it, for one thing, e.g. ... 20:41:01 mtd_ [~martin@chop.xades.com] has joined #lisp 20:41:35 crassus: To write some otherwise tedious code automatically for you. 20:41:47 Ok, I'll see if I can read more on the topic to understand and pop in here if I have any questions. 20:41:55 Thank you all for your patience! 20:42:04 -!- crassus [~crassus@96-42-254-21.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: adieu] 20:42:08 crassus: you become a peer, in some respects, with the language designer if you can introduce new syntax via macros. 20:42:48 ZabaQ [~johnfredc@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 20:43:13 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:44:04 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d854ffe.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 20:45:10 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 20:45:17 -!- chp [~chp@c-68-45-180-238.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:45:45 pspace [~andrew@adsl-75-10-158-45.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:46:21 centipedefarmer [~centipede@68.91.203.34] has joined #lisp 20:49:57 Noticed this morning, in the Portal 2 sound track, Volume 2, the song called Bots Build Bots is named (defun botsbuildbots () (botsbuildbots)) in it's ID3 tag. 20:50:23 -!- H4ns [57bd6f31@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.189.111.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:51:06 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-18-242.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 20:51:23 jtza8: :) 20:52:24 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 20:58:01 How hard was it to show to crassus: (eval (list '+ 3 4)) (funcall (compile nil (list 'lambda (list 'x) (list '* 'x 'x))) 2) 20:58:07 -!- DualDetroit [4c76594d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.118.89.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:59:11 so hard 20:59:17 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-168-34.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:03:42 -!- tortuguito is now known as Namorado_da_Swee 21:04:05 -!- Namorado_da_Swee is now known as tortu 21:04:15 -!- quackv2 [~quack@vps-1058467-4367.manage.myhosting.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:04:15 -!- tortu is now known as roedor 21:04:22 -!- roedor is now known as esquilinho 21:04:55 -!- drdo [~drdo@85.207.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:05:17 EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@190.244.27.236] has joined #lisp 21:05:51 *Xach* updates quicklisp, waits for the flood of hatemail 21:05:51 quackv2 [~quack@vps-1058467-4367.manage.myhosting.com] has joined #lisp 21:08:30 oudeis [~oudeis@222.126.197.129] has joined #lisp 21:09:33 -!- wildnux [~wildnux@68-191-210-76.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:25 coderdad [~coderdad@wsip-70-182-68-199.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 21:13:26 Xach: why? what did you change? 21:13:56 We're willing to hate, but we must know why! 21:16:29 -!- nanoc [~conanhome@186.13.114.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:17:44 nanoc [~conanhome@186.13.114.227] has joined #lisp 21:19:57 hunchentoot changes 21:20:05 http://blog.quicklisp.org/2011/11/word-of-warning.html 21:22:35 Namorado_da_Swee [fulltin@186.205.15.120] has joined #lisp 21:25:14 The following format (format nil "~A" (quote (list 1 2 "test"))) outputs "(LIST 1 2 test)", but can I have some version of it where it outputs with quotes included for strings, like (list 1 2 "test")? 21:25:45 trigen: use ~S instead of ~A 21:25:49 -!- esquilinho [fulltin@186.205.15.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:26:27 ah great, thanks. 21:28:07 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.176.225.75] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 21:28:12 Xach: back from outside world affaires. It was a pebkac situation. 21:28:18 Shaftoe: phew 21:28:21 My defpackage had a use statement 21:28:45 Xach: =) 21:28:51 trigen: Or just (print ), depending on your needs. 21:32:20 -!- nanoc [~conanhome@186.13.114.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:33:25 -!- agumonkey [~agu@34.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:34:05 drwho [~drwho@c-68-81-125-196.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:34:47 Daditos [~kvirc@unaffiliated/daditos] has joined #lisp 21:35:54 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p54839AB3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:36:29 unknown tar block payload code 120 ? 21:36:31 wtf 21:39:40 there are so many different tars... 21:39:58 that's one that's easy to fix 21:40:01 *Xach* thought he did already 21:43:08 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:47:01 nanoc [~conanhome@186.157.189.250] has joined #lisp 21:48:49 -!- Namorado_da_Swee is now known as tortu 21:49:44 -!- 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from the server.... 22:18:53 pjb: or something fails in the backend itself.... 22:22:16 -!- cyygni [~cyygni@cm145-159.resnet.csumb.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:30:53 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 22:31:36 chp [~chp@c-68-45-180-238.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:32:02 pjb: since it's failing both in cmucl and sbcl......... 22:32:42 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-219-108.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:32:44 pnathan [~Adium@76.178.165.160] has joined #lisp 22:32:47 -!- quackv2 [~quack@vps-1058467-4367.manage.myhosting.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:33:10 homie: I suppose the clx code is more or less the same (with version granularity), so it doesn't matter which implementation you run it in. 22:33:27 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 22:33:29 -!- centipedefarmer [~centipede@68.91.203.34] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:36:03 ok, i got the fonts bold and background black with white text, at least the minibuffer and the main pane are now that way tho the (describe 'blah) info things are still not bold.... 22:36:32 -!- ttt-- [~ubuntu@94-225-100-177.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:37:04 and i found climacs:climacs-rv 22:37:06 lol 22:38:14 the only thing is there's no central config thing in climacs and mcclim it seems.... 22:38:23 -!- drwho [~drwho@c-68-81-125-196.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:38:46 -!- tortu is now known as tortuguito 22:38:47 or maybe i could have used my .sbclrc or so for that purpose but i didn't even know where all those variables are defined etc.... 22:39:18 i don't know if i can override them.....seems sometimes it's not possible as climacs-rv warns 22:41:01 -!- ace4016 [~ace4016@99-120-69-226.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: When 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My attempt ("bruteforce" method to find the factors of a given number and sum them) is already to slow to find the fifth pair... 22:52:50 superflit_ [~superflit@71-208-211-246.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:52:57 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-208-211-246.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:52:57 -!- superflit_ is now known as superflit 22:55:30 pjb: http://picpaste.com/Bildschirmfoto6-1YUWnSXc.png, that's how it looks like now 22:56:42 rosario: It looks like a dynamic programming style problem. I would suggest memoization of the factors as a first order cut at optimization 22:56:43 pjb: don't get confused i got the ~ with emacs in there not with climacs 22:56:48 lol 22:57:19 -!- sdemarre1 [~serge@91.176.114.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:01:15 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-208-211-246.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03:15 -!- GrayMagiker [~steve@c-174-56-88-247.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:03:18 -!- nanoc [~conanhome@186.157.189.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:04:55 superflit [~superflit@71-208-211-246.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:05:09 -!- kokonero [kokonero@caj3.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 23:05:38 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 23:05:49 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:06:49 -!- frozencemetery [~frozencem@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:07:37 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-66-65-55-75.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:07:55 rosario: you could save yourself some work by generating the numbers from a bag of prime factors. That way you can use a dijkstra-style search to generate numbers in ascending order, and you could use a dictionary to map each number to its sum of factors. 23:08:02 frozencemetery [~frozencem@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU] has joined #lisp 23:08:28 -!- frozencemetery is now known as Guest5843 23:09:35 -!- anvandare [~anvandare@78-22-144-171.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:10:13 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:13:10 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 23:14:10 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:14:35 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-208-211-246.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:17:34 realitygrill [~realitygr@c-76-112-35-247.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:22:07 anvandare [~anvandare@78-22-149-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 23:24:29 -!- naryl [~weechat@213.170.70.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:24:45 -!- chenbing` [~user@218.72.95.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:24:54 nanoc [~conanhome@186.123.156.86] has joined #lisp 23:24:58 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25:43 -!- Guest5843 [~frozencem@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:26:07 frozence1etery [~frozencem@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU] has joined #lisp 23:28:36 -!- cesarbp [~cbolano@187.193.232.190] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:28:48 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 23:29:04 -!- danishman [~kvirc@0xbcb095dd.ngnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:30:26 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:04 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 23:31:30 -!- pjb is now known as Guest43247 23:32:16 -!- Guest43247 is now known as pjb` 23:32:32 -!- pjb` is now known as pjb 23:37:17 -!- juniorroy [~dima@212.36.228.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:38:31 naryl [~weechat@213.170.70.141] has joined #lisp 23:44:37 -!- nanoc [~conanhome@186.123.156.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:46:27 nanoc [~conanhome@186.123.156.86] has joined #lisp 23:48:05 am0c [~am0c@222.235.56.83] has joined #lisp 23:48:31 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@c-76-112-35-247.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:48:58 realitygrill [~realitygr@c-76-112-35-247.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:50:45 juniorroy [~dima@212.36.228.103] has joined #lisp 23:53:41 -!- chp [~chp@c-68-45-180-238.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:54:46 chp [~chp@c-68-45-180-238.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:56:18 zmv [~zmv@c95339f3.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp