00:03:50 Ralith: sign extension is easy. Just logior in an appropriately shifted -1 (or, (logior x (- (logand x (ash 1 sign-bit))))) 00:04:09 -!- benny [~benny@i577A7DF4.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:07:07 pkhuong: What SBCL-related thing am I forgetting to do? 00:08:02 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 00:11:01 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 00:11:03 recently? How are backtraces now? 00:11:17 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:11:56 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 00:12:59 Hrm... I'm fairly sure that wasn't it. 00:14:01 OS X/CoreFoundation & posix thread mismatch? 00:14:05 The only unmerged tree I have in my current local tree is disassembler fixes, and I distinctly remember there being at least one bug there... relating to sign extension. 00:14:29 Mmm... 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02:08:04 |3b|: "17:38:52 <|3b|> are 'accessors' in clhs specified to to be functions or not?" <-- Yes, they're specified as being functions: clhs 1.4.4.14 (pretty weird that you're asking this because I seem to remember it was you who originally pointed me to this part of the spec ;)) 02:08:11 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 02:09:04 They're two functions, the reader and the writer, (function name) and (function (setf name)). 02:12:55 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:13:26 insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-10-79.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 02:13:26 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-10-79.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Changing host] 02:13:26 insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has joined #lisp 02:13:44 ... That's in direct conflict with the specification for (SETF LDB). 02:16:15 I agree that it says that the writer part of an accessor is a function, but LDB is an accessor, and (setf ldb) is unsupportable as a function, because it takes a PLACE as an argument. 02:19:45 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: "Object-oriented design" is an oxymoron] 02:22:00 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 02:28:14 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483A04B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:28:25 Yuuhi [benni@p5483DC4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 02:31:15 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has joined #lisp 02:32:35 Right, time I got some sleep. 02:32:38 -!- nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-155-234.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 02:34:40 -!- realitygrill_ [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-132-175.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill_] 02:34:58 realitygrill 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I mean what to do, what to avoid... 05:47:29 the simpler approach is to simply ask advice for whatever you're doing at the moment, and integrate that into a gestalt over time 05:47:33 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:48:14 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 05:49:28 cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.194] has joined #lisp 05:52:51 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:56:40 xi4oyin [~xi4oyin@59.56.205.246] has joined #lisp 06:01:12 <_6502_> ralith: I just realized that I didn't understand how it works because I found it extremely annoying but more experienced lispers told be it's not that bad. Therefore I was searching a tutorial about how to get the usage right from the beginning... 06:01:31 <_6502_> I'll go back to practical common lisp... may be I just misunderstood sometthing... 06:01:37 how much do you understand? 06:01:42 I'd be happy to give a summary 06:01:55 (though I may mangle subtleties) 06:02:30 <_6502_> ok... I'll try to use it properly once again and I'll come here when I find a problem then :-) 06:02:31 wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-185-189.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 06:02:50 <_6502_> now it's breakfast time.... 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Does anyone by chance know what library I'm talking of? 12:17:51 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-048-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:23:38 em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 12:23:44 sepisultrum: xarray? 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Abuse either ROOM or the GC internals. 13:29:47 Didn't someone post a link to some code for this a few days ago? 13:30:13 xiaohao [~user@180.118.236.241] has joined #lisp 13:30:14 francogrex: you can't figure it out for real, but any sensible implementation will take size+(some-constant) bytes for an array specialized to '(unsigned-byte 8) 13:30:34 -!- coderdad [~coderdad@ip72-200-211-242.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:32:19 (let ((data (alexandria:read-file-into-string "/etc/fstab"))) ...) ;; what's so hard about locals, anyway? 13:32:19 Almost. You need (+ size-with-some-rounding some-constant-overhead), and then the overhead will depend on the array creation options... 13:32:39 akovalenko: Sometimes you want the data to stick around longer. 13:33:35 gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 13:33:45 I've been known to read up a file into an octet vector, stash it into a global variable, and then just poke around and develop whatever parsing functions I need incrementally. 13:34:06 -!- brnhck [~hrk@219.117.195.167.static.zoot.jp] has left #lisp 13:35:07 -!- xiaohao [~user@180.118.236.241] has left #lisp 13:36:18 locals are fine, but as nyef said. I'm kind of experimenting with algorithms (two pass algo based on sorting) for dbms 13:36:25 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 13:36:28 brb 13:37:01 ... Ah, DBMS files. Fun stuff. 13:37:20 Typically block-oriented, with a header. 13:37:41 francogrex: Do you need a hexdump function, btw? I'm fairly sure I have one somewhere. 13:37:58 *akovalenko* too has a hexdump somewhere 13:38:59 -!- waveman [~tim@124.170.43.134] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:39:47 -!- SsvRrwQ [~user@50.92.213.174] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:40:53 hypno [~hypno@impulse2.gothiaso.com] has joined #lisp 13:51:03 -!- gko [~gko@42-73-176-216.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:51:26 gko [~gko@111.81.87.92] has joined #lisp 13:51:37 yes sure, it'll be useful 13:52:45 ... Now, of course, I have to find the damned thing... 13:54:05 -!- djanatyn|afk [~user@173-13-139-236-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:57:50 Hrm. It's not in any of the obvious places, I'm afraid. I might have to dig through my archives, and I don't have time to do that right now. :-/ 13:58:50 -!- Martiini [~martin@88-196-141-145-dsl.rpl.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:59:04 ... this machine hibernates when the lid gets closed?!? That's new... 13:59:51 At least if it gets woken up quickly enough it doesn't seem to drop the network connections. 14:03:40 it's ok, I'm still way behind in my tests.. 14:06:09 djanatyn|afk [~user@173-13-139-236-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 14:06:13 -!- froggey [~froggey@unaffiliated/froggey] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:06:43 froggey [~froggey@unaffiliated/froggey] has joined #lisp 14:07:34 Kron [~Kron@98.143.102.22] has joined #lisp 14:08:00 -!- Kron is now known as Guest26942 14:11:04 gensym [~user@dslb-088-071-149-049.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 14:11:45 I also keep losing pieces of code i'd written; I think i'll need to implement a search engine with indexing and keywords for that. Now I use grep it helps sometimes 14:12:13 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 14:13:17 Montezuma 14:14:24 codelurker [~codelurke@c-98-227-187-219.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:14:26 francogrex: my hex-dump is at http://paste.lisp.org/+2OSM 14:15:18 oh, and it depends on babel-streams in addition to alexandria mentioned in the top comment.. 14:16:11 akovalenko: ok thanks. (cffi is autoloaded in my .rc anyway so babel and alexandria automatically) 14:16:33 Is there something similar to Python's `enumerate' in Common Lisp? I have a list of windows and I want to assign their window position according to the number they appear in the list 14:16:41 francogrex: babel-streams should be loaded separately, though it's a component of babel 14:18:09 Iceland_jack: ALEXANDRIA:IOTA generates a list for range 14:18:23 ... My hexdump depended on... common-lisp, I think. 14:18:36 *nyef* never did like dependencies. 14:19:06 meh 14:19:10 nyef: and probably on code-char being ascii-compatible :) 14:19:24 Knowing me? Probably. 14:19:33 well, mine depends on it too.. 14:19:33 I think I'll just use something like (dotimes (i (length list)) (let (window (nth i windows)) #| code |#)) 14:19:44 Then again, I might just have done something like (aref "0123456789abcdef" digit). 14:19:55 Which doesn't depend on ascii at all. 14:20:43 Iceland_jack: (LOOP FOR I FROM 0 FOR WINDOW IN WINDOWS DO ...) 14:20:51 Iceland_jack: (let ((top windows)) (dotimes ... (pop top))) is better (though performance difference may be negligible, wanton waste of time isn't good style) 14:21:28 hm, I think the loop construct works well 14:23:30 (do* ((head windows (rest head)) (i 0 (1+ i)) (window #1=(first head) #1#)) ((endp head)) ...) ;; specially for loop-haters 14:23:50 akovalenko: haha.. I think I'll stick with nyef's solution 14:23:54 nyef: isn't the 0 implicit though? 14:24:16 so (loop for i for window in windows do ...) would do the same 14:24:19 Iceland_jack: you have to give some idea that it's for-as-arithmetic 14:24:38 I have no idea, and I'd probably end up checking the spec if I ever ran into a bare "for ". 14:25:02 nyef: (it works for me but I'll leave it in for clarity) 14:25:29 nyef: for alone doesn't work in SBCL, btw 14:25:30 just like people that rely on C's default static value of 0: static i; 14:25:58 *nyef* winces. 14:26:10 nyef: apologies 14:26:12 You know, some environments don't clear the BSS segment. 14:27:18 clhs 6.1.2.1.1: "...At least one of the prepositions must be used", so SBCL is right in rejection of for alone.. 14:28:41 but (loop repeat 3 sum 2 count 1) ;; macroexpansion error in SBCL is still there :( 14:29:12 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.114.52.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:29:29 Mmm. And there's still the PUSH-to-VALUES-place thing. 14:31:05 (Not LOOP-related, but still a recent sore point.) 14:31:35 Heh. I can even think of a semi-plausible use for push-to-values-place. 14:31:41 it's across the board all implementations... 14:32:35 luis: around? 14:32:37 *francogrex* wonders if those small issues really affect the performance of any written programs 14:32:48 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-d9bdd485.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:33:45 francogrex: which small issues? what's currently discussed here mostly affects whether something will succed or crash :) 14:34:13 "If the program doesn't have to work, it can be as fast as you want." 14:38:18 what's the way to refer to the :clos package in sbcl ? 14:38:25 is it :sb-pcl instead ? 14:39:01 is :clos a nickname for :sb-pcl ? 14:39:04 homie: what do you need it for? maybe MOP (which is SB-MOP) is what you really want? 14:39:13 oh hmmm 14:39:14 ok 14:39:29 i just got an error loading some file, which tells me it can't find clos package 14:39:30 homie: then there is a portability layer (closer-mop) 14:39:35 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:39:36 i have that 14:39:49 i have closer-mop moptilities and clos-diff installed 14:40:32 i have to look for sb-mop .... 14:41:09 you have to look at that file for references to clos:something (or if :clos mentioned in package use list but not in fully-qualified references, removing it altogether may help) 14:42:07 -!- derrida [~derrida-f@unaffiliated/deleuze] has quit [Quit: I quit, yo.] 14:42:09 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.109.63] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:42:13 derrida [~derrida-f@unaffiliated/deleuze] has joined #lisp 14:42:22 Compatibility amongst multiple implementations for anything remotely clever is a pain. 14:42:53 I'm so glad I can just pick one implementation and mostly not worry about the rest. 14:42:59 ..and no less pain for anything _locally_ clever as well :) 14:43:21 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.136.204] has joined #lisp 14:43:27 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:44:33 Heh. 14:44:50 benkard [~benkard@mnch-d9bdd485.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 14:45:03 rexim [~rexim@91.204.184.177] has joined #lisp 14:51:36 -!- hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:53:21 ignas [~ignas@user-46-112-14-240.play-internet.pl] has joined #lisp 14:54:35 akovalenko: substituting :clos with :sb-mop did help tho 14:56:11 ska` [~user@ppp-110-169-40-228.revip5.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 14:57:09 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:58:44 -!- loke [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:58:59 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 15:00:21 paul0 [~user@189.26.135.61.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 15:01:23 -!- c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:02:29 -!- Brendan_T [~brendan@46.105.251.111] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:45 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-161-223.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 15:06:46 francogrex [~user@109.130.109.63] has joined #lisp 15:07:17 -!- sellout [~Adium@12.232.236.2] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:08:34 loke [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 15:10:02 -!- ramus [~ramus@c-50-132-91-53.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:14:51 Blkt [~user@dynamic-adsl-62-10-9-201.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 15:15:54 cesarbp [~cbolano@187.193.233.252] has joined #lisp 15:16:41 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-d9bdd485.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: benkard] 15:18:09 dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 15:18:59 -!- mogs [~mogs@119.64.49.14] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:20:23 -!- cesarbp [~cbolano@187.193.233.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:23:55 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 15:24:29 -!- rexim [~rexim@91.204.184.177] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:24:38 -!- fmu____ [u89@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ssquwhdcsyzckbix] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 15:25:49 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@wbs-41-208-207-226.wbs.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:26:25 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 15:27:38 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.136.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:27:50 homie: Ohh, that looks sweet :) 15:28:11 knotpliny [~cmsimon@c-98-246-47-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:30:01 sellout- [~Adium@98.158.124.115] has joined #lisp 15:34:11 i get some bounding box errors, some vectors are out of bound, but which package ? 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16:35:27 sbcl 16:35:35 Perhaps you have a reader macro for { and }? 16:35:42 oh 16:35:57 hmmm, that maybe from lol.lisp or so 16:36:13 Admitedly, the source is not conforming, since {} are reserved for user defined reader macros. 16:36:24 It would be better if it used \{ and \} as slot names. 16:36:52 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 16:42:00 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 16:42:18 -!- Martiini [~martin@88-196-141-145-dsl.rpl.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:46 antifuchs [~foobar@care.boinkor.net] has joined #lisp 16:48:57 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 16:51:54 sellout- [~Adium@conference/djangocon/x-itdmjdsvdslrlxew] has joined #lisp 16:56:47 -!- duomo [~duomo@cpe-69-204-169-245.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:58:18 -!- djanatyn|afk is now known as djanatyn 16:59:54 -!- ramusara [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 17:02:30 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@90-156-22-132.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:03:50 ok i changed all appearances of [ and { to backslashed versions 17:04:23 in the defclasses and parse-tree things in prolog-syntax 17:04:31 now the error is gone 17:05:11 Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.212.118] has joined #lisp 17:05:31 it was acl2.lisp which defined a reader macro 17:05:40 with { and ['s i think 17:08:34 passionke [~Administr@122.233.0.229] has joined #lisp 17:12:23 drdo [~drdo@85.207.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 17:12:25 -!- knotpliny [~cmsimon@c-98-246-47-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:21:38 mindbender1 [~chijioke@41.203.64.129] has joined #lisp 17:23:04 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Quit: As a wild ass in the desert go I forth to my work] 17:25:20 pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has joined #lisp 17:27:14 chturne [~chturne@2.26.61.222] has joined #lisp 17:30:41 please how can I get help regarding emacs slime errors... I have been struggling with a particular error for days? 17:32:13 Dare we ask what error? 17:33:26 regarding slime-require(swank-arglists) returning (cl-assertion-failed ((keywordp module))) 17:35:41 I added a paste to the paste service 17:35:56 mindbender1: nothing like that seems to be possible in current slime. What version are you using? 17:36:34 slime-20110730-cvs 17:37:32 -!- passionke [~Administr@122.233.0.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:38:09 That does seem a little odd. What lisp implementation are you using? 17:39:13 nyef: actually I'm trying to connect to a clojure project with slime-connect 17:39:22 Ah. 17:39:25 nyef: are there any CL that insists on keywords for module names? 17:39:30 ahh, I see. 17:39:32 Have you tried asking the clojure people for help? 17:39:43 no 17:40:13 I thought it was only slime related 17:41:22 At the point where you're talking to SWANK, you're dealing with your lisp implementation. 17:42:00 The one thing I might try is to change swank-arglists to be :swank-arglists, but I don't know if that'll help at all. 17:42:01 ok 17:43:48 I didn't think it would be clojure because when I click on the link to the source file it didn't point at the clojure files but I'm on clojure now asking for help 17:44:10 Good luck. 17:46:24 ramus [~ramus@c-50-132-91-53.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:46:40 thanks a lot 17:46:45 duomo [~duomo@cpe-69-204-169-245.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:48:20 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:49:40 Martiini [~martin@88-196-141-145-dsl.rpl.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 17:51:28 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-69-201-186-74.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:51:59 -!- mindbender1 [~chijioke@41.203.64.129] has left #lisp 17:52:30 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 17:53:48 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:06:23 mathrick [~mathrick@90-156-22-132.internetia.net.pl] has joined #lisp 18:06:27 -!- dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.193.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:08:01 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:08:42 anvandare [~anvandare@dD5770F55.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 18:10:53 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 18:12:38 -!- gensym [~user@dslb-088-071-149-049.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:21:16 any idea when/if there will be videos from the eclm2011 talks? 18:21:37 There won't be so as to punish all who didn't go. 18:22:20 -!- emma is now known as em 18:23:48 ISF [~ivan@201.82.133.10] has joined #lisp 18:25:05 wtetzner [~wtetzner@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:26:47 pjb: :_( 18:30:13 anyone know a good lisp group in nyc? 18:30:35 gavinharper [~gavinharp@dyn3-82-128-184-2.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #lisp 18:30:46 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:34 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has joined #lisp 18:31:56 -!- Martiini [~martin@88-196-141-145-dsl.rpl.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:35:39 -!- gavinharper [~gavinharp@dyn3-82-128-184-2.psoas.suomi.net] has quit [] 18:39:19 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:40:12 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-96-233-185-29.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:40:12 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-96-233-185-29.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:40:12 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 18:42:49 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42:59 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-96-233-185-29.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:42:59 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-96-233-185-29.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:42:59 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 18:44:20 fisxoj: what about the www.lispnyc.org/ ? 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Well it is in demand again 20:23:23 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 20:23:49 A bit of a antique by now I would think.. 20:27:27 LiamH [~healy@pool-108-45-22-54.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:27:52 -!- lutok [~luckystok@ip98-169-240-101.dc.dc.cox.net] has left #lisp 20:27:58 -!- _danb_ [~user@124-149-162-79.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:28:34 -!- sellout- [~Adium@12.232.236.2] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:29:12 -!- pavelpenev [~pavelludi@83.222.166.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:32:24 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:32:26 sellout- [~Adium@conference/djangocon/x-gmdqmybymktnixpe] has joined #lisp 20:36:03 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.133.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:37:50 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A48F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:39:23 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-168-29.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41:22 p_l [plasek@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/x-uwxtgcjptyyhuxxh] has joined #lisp 20:41:57 pavelpenev [~pavelludi@83.222.166.206] has joined #lisp 20:42:10 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 20:42:51 -!- FreeArtMan [~FreeArtMa@93.177.213.54] has quit [Quit: 1/0] 20:46:02 nicodemus had a screamer port to a fairly recent sbcl iirc. 20:46:37 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20:46:51 -!- yroeht [~yroeht@yroeht.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:47:43 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 20:48:56 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@wbs-41-208-207-226.wbs.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:48:59 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:50:24 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.11.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:51:38 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d855527.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: benkard] 20:51:57 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 20:52:18 yroeht [~yroeht@yroeht.eu] has joined #lisp 20:56:52 hi 20:57:20 -!- p_l is now known as p_l|amsterdam 21:00:43 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 21:00:44 _danb_ [~user@124-149-162-79.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 21:01:59 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 21:04:51 s0ber_ [~s0ber@111-240-167-159.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:05:23 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@111-240-176-79.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:05:30 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 21:05:35 vpit3833 [~user@203.111.33.203] has joined #lisp 21:08:31 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 21:09:38 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 21:10:44 -!- _danb_ [~user@124-149-162-79.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:17:13 jtza8 [~jtza8@wbs-41-208-207-226.wbs.co.za] has joined #lisp 21:17:30 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ei1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 21:18:45 -!- Guest11288 [~Kron@129-97-120-252.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:19:16 Guest11288 [~Kron@129-97-120-252.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 21:19:26 Martiini [~martin@88-196-141-145-dsl.rpl.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 21:21:38 Guthur [~user@212.183.140.50] has joined #lisp 21:23:57 when does aver failed messages appear ? 21:24:20 in sbcl in context of linedit or so... 21:26:18 -!- SegFaultAX [~SegFaultA@c-98-248-241-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26:50 i don't get them when i start sbcl with the command name sbcl on the konsole, but when i try to use a script for making documentation of mcclim in the Doc directory of mcclim i get that error, so when i use the makefile script it fails somehow.... 21:27:07 -!- ngz [~user@201.144.80.79.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:29:17 and my --eval lines for something like (ql:quickload :cl-ppcre) on the command-line won't get evaled truly either, it breaks at (:EVAL . (ql:quickload)) 21:29:30 and the rest is chewn.... 21:30:22 -!- hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:34:27 -!- ISF_ [~ivan@201.82.133.10] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 21:37:30 something todo with linedit-backend and sb-debug invoke-debugger-hook 21:37:36 -!- pavelpenev [~pavelludi@83.222.166.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:38:21 jep, ok, confirmed, when i start sbcl normally i don't have that problem, only when i try to build the documentation via the make script..... 21:38:51 maybe it has something wrong..... 21:39:09 it used to work tho.... 21:39:56 xcv [~xcv@dsl-225-28.hive.is] has joined #lisp 21:40:00 pjb: do those that _couldn't_ go need to be punished too? :P 21:40:17 -!- xcv [~xcv@dsl-225-28.hive.is] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:40:49 homie: WHen you use sbcl like this, your sbclrc is not loaded. And your .sbclrc probably loads quickload 21:41:37 homie: Or so my tired brain suggests :) 21:41:40 no it is loaded 21:41:43 Anyway, good night 21:41:50 the problem is something todo with docstrings.lisp 21:42:02 ISF [~ivan@201.82.133.10] has joined #lisp 21:42:04 since i added moptilities etc.... 21:42:43 to the package list to be loaded.....and i got pcl error on the way too..... 21:43:04 -!- Guest11288 [~Kron@129-97-120-252.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:43:06 so i suspect the error to stem from there.... 21:43:44 docstrings uses alot of clos and pcl stuff.... 21:43:59 maybe incompat things are causing problems...or so.... 21:44:24 xan_ [~xan@30.Red-79-150-223.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 21:44:57 well nvm good night 21:48:04 doritos [~joshua@c-76-118-155-244.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:49:43 pavelpenev [~pavelludi@83.222.166.206] has joined #lisp 21:55:43 -!- paul0 [~user@189.26.135.61.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit 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joined #lisp 23:40:54 Kenjin: yes, doubly so, because they wanted to go! >:-} 23:43:03 -!- alexgordon is now known as drparse 23:43:41 -!- Sulimo [~angel@host133-226-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:45:03 At Scheme workshop "Snow [ed: their CPAN] is taking some ideas from Quicklisp " 23:45:27 pnathan [~Adium@76.178.165.160] has joined #lisp 23:45:28 Also, "R7RS-large will be bigger than the CL standard." 23:45:33 -!- juniorroy [~dima@212.36.228.103] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:45:48 Hrm. Remind me to avoid R7RS-large, then. 23:46:12 The CL standard is bad enough. 23:46:17 nyef: You can use R7RS-small  which will be smaller than R6RS :) 23:46:25 I can use CL? 23:46:32 I can use MFTL? 23:46:35 nyef: Not according to these guys. 23:47:05 Actually, a few times during this talk, "And we're taking [feature] from CL " 23:47:22 Has anyone asked why they don't just use CL instead? 23:47:51 nyef: I think I may be the only one in that camp  but I've been sniggering. 23:49:41 -!- sellout- [~Adium@conference/djangocon/x-wlsrdfsuhfljqpbd] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:50:06 Then again, with some six major implementations demonstrably not conforming to the CL spec, I guess nobody uses CL. 23:55:42 pjb: eheh ;) 23:55:52 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 23:59:29 -!- pavelpenev [~pavelludi@83.222.166.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:59:57 pjb- [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp