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10:15:33 hi 10:15:45 is anyone working with gnu clisp? 10:16:11 I often do. 10:16:26 is it only a compiler? 10:16:38 -!- ignas [~ignas@217067203062.itsa.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:16:47 -!- akovalenko [~anton@95.73.125.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:16:49 No, it also has an interpreter. 10:17:12 It doesn't compile by default, you have to request it. 10:17:33 ok 10:17:37 like sbcl? 10:17:55 sbcl compiles by default. You have to enable the interpreter in sbcl to have it. 10:18:04 ok 10:20:20 pjb: hmm. you know if the interpreter support runtime macro expansion? 10:21:01 Yes, it does. But IIRC, it expands macros at defun time. 10:21:20 In any case, IIRC, it expands macros only once. 10:21:42 err, so if you have a macro call in a defun, and re-evaluate the macro, the defun running interpreted will still use the old macro? 10:22:15 I'm not sure. Let's try it. 10:22:49 H4ns [d4b9ef0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.185.239.15] has joined #lisp 10:22:53 hypno: your inference is correct. 10:22:54 -!- waveman [~tim@124.170.43.134] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:23:02 You must redefine the function to take into account the new macro. 10:23:07 pjb: ok, thanks. 10:34:29 -!- lnostdal_ [~Lars@ti0030a380-dhcp0111.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:37:37 -!- ihyoyoung [raster@enlightenment2.osuosl.org] has quit [Quit: quit] 10:38:09 lnostdal_ [~Lars@ti0030a380-dhcp0111.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 10:39:02 X-Scale` [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #lisp 10:39:26 -!- X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:44:00 ihyoyoung [raster@enlightenment2.osuosl.org] has joined #lisp 10:44:12 -!- replore [~replore@203.152.213.161.static.zoot.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:46:58 -!- katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:47:30 katesmith [~katesmith@75-138-199-162.static.snfr.nc.charter.com] has joined #lisp 10:47:30 -!- katesmith [~katesmith@75-138-199-162.static.snfr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 10:47:30 katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has joined #lisp 10:49:17 ehu [~ehuels@109.33.239.123] has joined #lisp 10:52:30 -!- vervic [~vervic@84.114.246.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:52:47 vervic [~vervic@p238-144.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #lisp 10:58:09 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.165.38] has joined #lisp 11:07:46 mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has joined #lisp 11:12:47 -!- Joreji [~thomas@94-036.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:13:27 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:13:55 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 11:14:12 peterhil [~peterhil@gw.maxisat.fi] has joined #lisp 11:14:21 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has joined #lisp 11:23:53 -!- xan_ [~xan@183.Red-81-32-69.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:34:11 Neronus [christian@heraklit.ayous.org] has joined #lisp 11:37:11 Jasko3 [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:40:40 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:44:08 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-157-89.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:45:39 -!- billitch [~billitch@88.183.33.86] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:46:31 wolfpython [~walter@58.213.12.188] has joined #lisp 11:47:30 -!- wolfpython [~walter@58.213.12.188] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:48:15 wolfpython [~walter@58.213.12.188] has joined #lisp 11:50:10 killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 11:52:13 -!- Vutral [~ss@vutral.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:54:09 -!- vervic [~vervic@p238-144.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has quit [Quit: vervic] 11:55:11 Vutral [~ss@vutral.net] has joined #lisp 11:57:49 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:00:12 tsuru [~charlie@adsl-98-87-25-188.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 12:00:24 replore [~replore@ntkngw304073.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 12:00:26 -!- replore [~replore@ntkngw304073.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:28 -!- yroeht [yroeht@server5.tonbnc.fr] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 12:02:14 -!- X-Scale` [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:02:39 X-Scale [email@89.180.146.19] has joined #lisp 12:03:04 -!- X-Scale is now known as Guest19006 12:07:11 yroeht [~yroeht@ks387600.kimsufi.com] has joined #lisp 12:10:18 -!- skorpia [~proba@cpe-67-244-127-222.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:11:09 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 12:12:24 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.165.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:13:47 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-1-147.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:17:16 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 12:18:53 klltkr [~klltkr@dsl78-143-205-241.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has joined #lisp 12:23:00 aerique: that virtualbox is giving me retro good feelings 12:23:36 Xach: wonderful :) 12:23:47 the remapping of [] and () confused me though. 12:24:16 right, there's patch number one. thanks, i totally forgot about that 12:27:06 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.160.74] has joined #lisp 12:27:07 xan_ [~xan@64.Red-79-151-59.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 12:27:19 -!- yroeht [~yroeht@ks387600.kimsufi.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 12:28:35 ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.46] has joined #lisp 12:30:46 yroeht [~yroeht@ks387600.kimsufi.com] has joined #lisp 12:34:24 Xach: hmm, I assume CTRL is still swapped with CAPS as well? (can't check since I'll still be at work for a couple of hours) 12:35:55 hmm, not sure, the host machine has that too 12:37:35 -!- am0c [~am0c@112.149.169.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:39:05 Are you running OpenGenera on a vbox host somewhere? 12:39:43 *Xach* isn't 12:39:50 -!- wolfpython [~walter@58.213.12.188] has quit [Quit: ] 12:39:54 *Xach* has little interest in lisp machine nostalgia 12:44:11 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 12:46:18 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:46:27 *Xach* has called all his banks and credit carders and what-not alerting them to his travel 12:47:02 err, wrong channel 12:48:33 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 12:48:34 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has joined #lisp 12:48:44 Yeah, i don't suppose #lisp will be stealing your cards when we meet you in Amsterdam. 12:51:37 hopefully they will be giving me cards ... of appreciation! stuffed with euros! 12:52:30 also, jerseys of their national bandy teams 12:55:15 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@wbs-41-208-201-192.wbs.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:55:50 Xach: if you have ambitions to be doing signed / verified quicklisp, it might be worth your while having a bunch of things with your gpgpgpgpgp key on 12:56:32 Yeah, perhaps we should organize a keysigning party in whatever bit of the lisp community gets to amsterdam. 12:56:58 -!- yroeht [~yroeht@ks387600.kimsufi.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:57:25 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:57:46 Krystof: "things"? 12:58:11 Slips of paper, like? 12:58:13 -!- Vutral [~ss@vutral.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:58:38 Vutral [~ss@vutral.net] has joined #lisp 12:59:13 yes. Or business cards :) 12:59:28 *Xach* once had a failed pgpgp party in boston, found antifuchs's key info 2 years later in a bookmark 13:00:01 that's what brought it to mind -- I had a certain amount of trouble convincing $work[0] to allow me to have "that funny string of numbers" on my business card 13:01:15 If only they knew that most of your life would be a funny string of numbers... 13:01:25 cheezus [~Adium@70.50.58.10] has joined #lisp 13:02:30 ah, but it is so distracting from the visual identity 13:04:28 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:04:46 Krystof: If I wanted you to sign my Quicklisp key, what information should I bring for you? 13:04:47 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-33-189-212.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:06:40 *flip214* guesses two bottles of wine and a few females 13:06:52 hmmm... I wonder if a signature could fit in a QR code... that might be a work-around in the future 13:08:17 tsuru: QR has more than enough capacity... the textual visual representation as picture (like SSH does) is simpler to verify, though 13:08:28 Kron [~Kron@129-97-120-44.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 13:08:33 simpler for humans, at least 13:08:50 ruud_s [~ruud@210.56.223.184] has joined #lisp 13:08:55 -!- Kron is now known as Guest26568 13:09:08 -!- juniorroy [~dima@212.36.228.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:13:31 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 13:13:33 Xach: that is a good question. I don't know what I'm meant to do about keys for organizations 13:13:43 mikecsh [~mikecsh@203.145.92.117] has joined #lisp 13:14:35 -!- djanatyn [~user@173-13-139-236-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:14:42 djanatyn [~user@173-13-139-236-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:16:32 -!- ruud_s [~ruud@210.56.223.184] has left #lisp 13:16:45 hmm 13:16:59 I'll bring my regular info too. 13:17:48 dlowe [~dlowe@50-77-31-237-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:19:31 if signing a key means "I believe that this key is truly associated with the uid/e-mail address published", then you need to bring something that's clearly you-as-quicklisp (e.g. a presentation :-), publish within it (ideally) the key fingerprint and contact e-mail, and then just let nature take its course 13:19:45 *maxm-* always feels like linking http://xkcd.com/538/ when people are insisting on using pgp encrypted email and such :-) 13:20:00 ramusara [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 13:21:05 oh? And will you also stop using https for Internet banking, too? 13:21:40 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21:41 of course not, I was talking about regularly signing / encrypting normal email 13:22:37 juniorroy [~dima@212.36.228.103] has joined #lisp 13:23:05 plenty of large corporates use Blackberry for essentially audit trail and encryption of digital communication 13:23:08 there is imho no protection if you screw with the goverment, thats why that wiki leak guy will be in jail being friend of bubba forever, despite being a geek and using pgp and stuff 13:23:39 -!- cheezus [~Adium@70.50.58.10] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:24:33 -!- aerique [310225@xs8.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 13:24:57 cfy [~cfy@218.75.17.76] has joined #lisp 13:24:57 -!- cfy [~cfy@218.75.17.76] has quit [Changing host] 13:24:57 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 13:25:04 maxm-: that is legal craziness, and iirc the case was still unfinished 13:25:28 yes, it's worth noting that the wiki leak guy is not currently in jail 13:26:04 it is basically true that if a government want to get you, they can make your life pretty unpleasant 13:26:13 just enforcing the tax code to the letter is usually enough :-) 13:26:38 what was it with the leakyleaks guys posting the key to their military grade encrypted material to the net, accidentially? 13:26:53 and that he cannot be extradited to USA on the charges they have against him... and that politicians in those countries would be crucified if they push too far (their citizens might consider them US lapdogs...) 13:27:09 H4ns: he got a copy of some material damning USA 13:27:11 Krystof: I meant the other guy, the original leaker one 13:27:28 oh, Bradley Manning? 13:27:28 and the leaker is basically a political prisoner 13:27:49 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:28:06 anyway, sorry. I can see the value of signing over e-mail, at the very least 13:28:30 "did you send that message saying that you were mugged abroad? It didn't look like it, because it didn't have that mess of letters and numbers at the end" 13:28:45 but I will go back to work now 13:29:55 yeah 13:30:06 paranoid people would think that given that only like %1 of inet emails are signed, the begin pgp block tagline is probably one of the more reliable markers for whoever data mines it to pay special attention to that email 13:30:41 *maxm-* can code and have discussion at the same time, sometimes its nice to give a brain to chance to work out stuff in the background :-) 13:31:05 if only my work involved more code and brain 13:31:24 maxm-: as for Manning, afaik they decided to screw the law and hold him in style similar to good old soviet... dunno why, there's a legal way to put him in prison 13:34:05 wolfpython [~walter@58.213.12.188] has joined #lisp 13:35:00 -!- djanatyn [~user@173-13-139-236-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:35:28 maxm-: signing emails is fine, that's just proving your identity. it's encrypting emails that is the issue. sending secret messages without hiding who you are sending those messages to. 13:36:19 for most investigations it does not matter what the content of the message is, it is the who you are talking to that is interesting, because then one knows who to watch 13:36:56 djanatyn [~user@173-13-139-236-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:39:31 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.212.194] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 13:39:55 cheezus [~Adium@70.50.58.10] has joined #lisp 13:40:04 -!- cheezus [~Adium@70.50.58.10] has quit [Client Quit] 13:41:20 troydm [~troydm@unaffiliated/troydm] has joined #lisp 13:42:05 when i do (bordeaux-threads:make-thread (lambda () (funcall #'test arg1 arg2))) 13:42:22 were arg1 and arg2 are arguments i want to pass to a new thread 13:42:29 is this right way to do it? 13:42:47 cheezus [~Adium@70.50.58.10] has joined #lisp 13:44:06 troydm: you could just do (lambda () (test arg1 arg2)) 13:44:08 -!- setmeaway2 [setmeaway3@118.45.149.199] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:44:48 Xach: thx 13:44:54 setmeaway [stemearay@118.45.149.199] has joined #lisp 13:45:54 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@dsl78-143-205-241.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:46:25 hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 13:48:43 klltkr [~klltkr@dsl78-143-225-63.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:49:31 i'm trying to do this (usocket:socket-stream socket) and then (princ "hello" stream) 13:49:37 in a seperate thread 13:49:42 aliao [~user@123.5.159.199] has joined #lisp 13:49:52 however i don't see anything when i connect using telnet to this socket 13:49:59 -!- gienah [~mwright@ppp121-44-44-207.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:50:15 it connects without problem 13:51:07 -!- aliao [~user@123.5.159.199] has left #lisp 13:51:12 troydm: you might need to (finish-output stream) or (force-output stream) 13:51:21 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.109.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:51:25 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 13:52:27 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.127.243] has joined #lisp 13:52:34 Xach: thx that worked 13:56:31 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:58:01 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-125-89.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:58:47 -!- Guest26568 [~Kron@129-97-120-44.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:59:43 -!- sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-69.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:03:11 maxm-: encrypting normal e-mail has the potential positive effect of creating a habit and annoying the echelons. 14:04:39 maxm-: if lot's of uninteresting everyday email will be encrypted, it will be much more difficult for the authorities to bully those actually interesting for them. 14:04:45 s/lot's/lots/ 14:05:14 antoszka: yes lead by example and all that, but its been 20 years and still no one does it.. Short of Steve jobs coming back and making it iPopular, there is just no way general public will do it 14:05:23 xyxu1 [~xyxu@222.68.160.74] has joined #lisp 14:05:56 maxm-: Unfortunately, this option has been iBuried in an iGrave foriEver. 14:06:39 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.160.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:08:18 -!- coyo [kvirc@unaffiliated/bandu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:09:42 -!- xyxu1 [~xyxu@222.68.160.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:09:56 ikki [~ikki@219-externo-1p5ec.vxn.itelcel.com] has joined #lisp 14:09:56 peterhil` [~peterhil@GZYYYMKDCCCLVI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 14:12:07 Kron [~Kron@129-97-120-44.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 14:12:21 is anyone working on next google ai contest? 14:12:33 -!- Kron is now known as Guest99163 14:13:25 Posterdati: Do you read Planet Lisp? 14:13:34 no 14:13:52 Posterdati: http://aerique.blogspot.com/2011/10/virtualbox-common-lisp-environment-for.html has some info about CL and the AI contest. 14:13:58 ok 14:14:07 You should follow lisp planet. 14:14:09 I downloaded the virtualbox image 14:14:19 http://planet.lisp.org/ 14:14:21 and found an error :) 14:14:45 nyef [~nyef@c-174-63-105-188.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:14:56 G'morning all. 14:15:08 virtual hd and virtual machine are packed in the same directory, but virtual machine looking for hd in ./HardDisks/Gogle....vdi 14:15:08 hi nyef 14:17:37 pnathan [~Adium@76.178.165.160] has joined #lisp 14:18:39 Posterdati: Open up the virtual machine file and hack in a full path for the disk image? 14:20:03 if I remove the hd from the virtual machine and add back it complains about duplicated disk id 14:20:12 -!- Guest99163 [~Kron@129-97-120-44.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Quit: Kron awayyy!] 14:25:18 then I need root password for it and to change keyboard layout :) 14:26:39 -!- ikki [~ikki@219-externo-1p5ec.vxn.itelcel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:29:40 yroeht [~yroeht@yroeht.eu] has joined #lisp 14:31:59 -!- cheezus [~Adium@70.50.58.10] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:32:30 next time, choose a password that types the same on both layouts. 14:37:41 pjb: I don't have the password for the image :) 14:38:19 superflit [~superflit@71-208-223-163.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 14:38:33 pnq [~nick@ACA21917.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 14:40:20 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@50-77-31-237-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 14:40:56 MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-8-147-185.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 14:42:23 billitch [~billitch@bastille.ma3.tv] has joined #lisp 14:43:27 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-232-122.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:45:26 ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has joined #lisp 14:46:17 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:49:10 sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-72-43-20-246.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:51:21 Posterdati: Mount the image as a secondary drive on another VM, chroot, and change the root password? 14:51:35 You don't have to do any of that stuff. Just move the file to the right place. 14:51:37 -!- SpitfireWP [~spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has quit [Quit: It's getting dark, too dark to see] 14:51:48 Hey, or that. 14:51:56 Maybe a symlink would do the trick? 14:51:57 For me, that was ~/.VirtualBox/HardDisks/ 14:52:53 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@freiksenet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:53:44 -!- micro [~micro@www.bway.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:56:41 Bike [~Glossina@69.166.35.233] has joined #lisp 14:56:42 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-176-66.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:57:17 I definitely remember involving a symlink in virtualbox disk image relocation games. 14:57:18 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 14:58:36 jtza8 [~jtza8@iburst-41-213-50-78.iburst.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:00:21 -!- pnathan [~Adium@76.178.165.160] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:02:03 cesarbp [~cbolano@189.247.126.160] has joined #lisp 15:02:42 there's an xml file controlling the machines and their attached disks. modifying it by hand should be the easiest way. the xml schema is pretty wordy and the interesting parts should be easy to identify 15:03:11 SpitfireWP [~spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has joined #lisp 15:04:13 -!- wolfpython [~walter@58.213.12.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:04:40 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 15:07:37 dlowe [dlowe@nat/google/x-ylawigbebdodfdqw] has joined #lisp 15:09:12 mon_key: Dragons? Are you calling us old or extinct? 15:10:32 pnathan [~Adium@76.178.165.160] has joined #lisp 15:10:37 -!- pnathan [~Adium@76.178.165.160] has quit [Client Quit] 15:11:46 -!- hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-112-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:12:10 hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-112-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 15:16:46 rpg [~rpg@206.117.31.188] has joined #lisp 15:17:32 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-176-66.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:17:49 totzeit [~kirkwood@204.15.3.100] has joined #lisp 15:18:20 alexgordon [~alexgordo@host-2-97-43-32.as13285.net] has joined #lisp 15:18:25 probably something related to reddit insanity wolf meme or something 15:19:48 I am having an odd interaction with SLIME. A call to READ-FROM-STRING seems to somehow start reading from a SLIME string... 15:19:55 s/string/stream/ 15:21:33 When I trace read-from-string it makes a recursive call to read-from-string with "swank::background-message" as its argument. Anyone see anything like this before? 15:22:56 is this on allegro? I'm grepping slime sources and only see this in swank-allegro.lisp 15:22:57 rpg: that seems pretty odd. i sometimes see garbage in internal buffers if things get reused. 15:23:14 in frame-restartable-p 15:23:15 maxm-: Yes, it is in allegro. I'll take a look at swank-allegro, thanks. 15:23:17 rpg: but that's usually just something to ignore, implementation detail that doesn't leak into the return values. 15:23:30 imho it probably tries to invoke the debugger 15:23:34 which uses frame-restartable-p 15:23:44 which uses (read-from-string) which you have traced 15:24:05 so I would say you are erroring out before your own read-from-string is even reached 15:24:47 maxm-: Mine is actually being reached. The error seems to occur inside my READ-FROM-STRING.... 15:24:49 make a wrapper (defun my-read-from-string (&rest args) (apply #'read-from-string args)) and use the wrapper, then trace the wrapper 15:25:22 I tried to lisppaste the trace data, but got an error from lisppaste; will try again with pastebin. 15:25:56 -!- Blkt [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26:27 http://pastebin.com/bRU6hiTq 15:26:37 Looks like I'm getting an error inside the recursive call, as well. 15:27:35 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.127.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:28:42 -!- xan_ [~xan@64.Red-79-151-59.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:28:57 No, sorry. The call to slime is fine. OK, it's just a confound. Thanks, maxm- 15:29:00 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:29:05 The bug is not SLIME-related. 15:30:21 -!- alexgordon [~alexgordo@host-2-97-43-32.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 15:33:02 Interesting bug. 15:34:43 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.107.193] has joined #lisp 15:35:47 -!- hypno [~hypno@impulse2.gothiaso.com] has left #lisp 15:36:13 milanj [~milanj_@109-93-193-219.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 15:39:36 Xach: Yes, the oddity is that when I simply execute the READ-FROM-STRING from the REPL it's fine. So the SLIME message misled me into thinking this was slime-related. But now I see it's still just MY bug. 15:39:51 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 15:40:23 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:40:33 sellout1 [~Adium@c-98-245-162-253.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:40:48 if you running it from a thread or such, then maybe *readtable* or some realted vars needed by reader are not bound? 15:41:03 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 15:41:10 Xach, maxm-: I think it's a problem with the package I'm reading into. 15:41:29 yea or *package* being unbound would do it too 15:41:40 jtza8_ [~jtza8@iburst-41-213-70-189.iburst.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:41:52 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@iburst-41-213-50-78.iburst.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:42:48 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-162-253.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:43:18 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:45:31 rpg: do (defun my-read-from-string (s) (handler-case (read-from-string s) (error (e) (format t "got error ~s" e)))) 15:45:50 then use it instead of (read-from-string) and see what error it prints 15:45:56 -!- mikecsh [~mikecsh@203.145.92.117] has quit [Quit: mikecsh] 15:46:11 altho its weird that slime does not pop up a debugger 15:47:59 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.107.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:48:25 wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has joined #lisp 15:49:26 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.118.251] has joined #lisp 15:50:00 maxm-: I don't understand the debugging issue, but yes, it was the binding of *package* being wron. 15:50:06 s/wron/wrong/ 15:50:26 To what was it bound? 15:50:57 -!- markskilbeck is now known as kceblikskram 15:51:02 Blkt [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 15:51:41 *Xach* thinks about naming his next CL project kceblikskram 15:51:50 -!- kceblikskram is now known as markskilbeck 15:53:40 *flip214* thinks that xach should start hcax, to stay compatible with this naming convention ... no need going around, stealing others' names! 15:55:29 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA21917.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:56:31 flip214: the main goal is to have people discuss it at all hours of the night 15:58:00 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 15:58:28 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 15:58:34 -!- akovalen` is now known as akovalenko 16:00:44 alexgordon [~alexgordo@host-2-97-43-32.as13285.net] has joined #lisp 16:01:26 -!- naryl [~weechat@213.170.70.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:01:48 ... didn't we have someone with the nick "eval" in the channel at one point? 16:03:06 *maxm-* is finishing his dialogs protocol 16:04:17 Xach: aw, that gpgpg thing cuts deep! 16:04:20 kind of seems trivial ie text-from-slot-value, slot-value-from-text, etc 16:04:37 but I don't think I have the key anymore (and neither do I think I have a revocation key. oops) 16:04:57 but it extracts data type from :type of clos slot and creates appropriate control automatically, so its just layout -> and bam any clos object can be nicely edited 16:05:44 maxm-: Can you also hide slots so that they can't be edited? 16:05:46 now I need to come up with Ok/Apply/Cancel protocol, need to make a copy of the model before starting editing, do cancel/reset/apply 16:06:08 nyef: you specify slots to edit explicitly, lemme make screenshot 16:06:15 Fair enough. 16:06:37 -!- Bike [~Glossina@69.166.35.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:06:40 francogrex [franco@grex.cyberspace.org] has joined #lisp 16:09:03 I am reading on the "semi-practical" details of how to make efficeint DB table searches... the book mentions reading blocks of tubles from a relation R into memory... 16:09:19 would tuples in lisp be quivalent to lists? 16:09:58 Possibly, possibly not. 16:10:03 common lisp does not have tuples 16:10:05 and the relation could it be a flat file? then the blocks I have no idea how to... 16:10:15 http://i.imgur.com/Ubpwo.png 16:10:15 16:10:36 it doesn't have, but are they close to lists or would one need to create structs 16:11:08 Bike [~Glossina@69.166.35.233] has joined #lisp 16:11:27 francogrex: I think tuples in that context just refers to a associated set of data 16:11:55 -!- katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:56 any kind of effient search you'll end up with binary search or b-trees 16:11:59 francogrex: the implementation of the set doesn't matter 16:12:06 just reuse, there are plenty of libraries... well or hashes 16:12:17 ok; then lists, vectors, structs all are fine 16:12:20 maxm-: ... I don't know if I should be impressed, horrified, or both. The result looks neat, though. 16:12:34 francogrex: sure 16:12:44 katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has joined #lisp 16:13:11 nyef: what is it to be horrified about? critique welcome as to make it better 16:13:15 and don't say XML 16:13:15 dlowe: andthe so-called "blocks"? what would be a practical eqsuivalent? 16:13:24 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:13:43 because sexp is basically equivalent of XML... All the :grid etc stuff is actually eql-specialized methods, so its easy to add / change new ones 16:13:58 Nonstandard definition forms, what the heck is going on with the use of curry on make-instance... And those are the first two things that leap out at me. 16:14:04 maxm-: XML is a lot more complicated than sexp 16:14:10 its just a test 16:14:21 Seriously, why curry make-instance? 16:14:29 (not saying that it's a good thing, but the two definitely aren't equivalent) 16:14:42 francogrex: it's just a collection of tuplse 16:14:44 honestly its the first thing my fingers typed 16:15:18 -!- nurv101 [~nurv101@2001:690:2100:2:4687:fcff:fe91:9c05] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:15:22 Just use APPLY, only the last argument is spread, and the compiler can still do all of its optimization magic with a constant classname. 16:16:33 but yea apply is more appropriate there 16:16:34 -!- Blkt [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: going home] 16:16:35 maxm-: Came to this discussion late: what's the toolbox you are building this on? 16:16:42 commonqt 16:17:27 with some syntax sugar (the q flag to def is my dumb (with-qt) expander that handles dotted calls, no codewalking just brute force) 16:18:08 naryl [~weechat@213.170.70.141] has joined #lisp 16:18:16 maxm-: Very interesting. We've been trying various not-completely-satisfactory attempts to build GUIs. 16:19:09 yea it does not look like much, but you have to build protocols up unless you going to write tons of repeating code for each dialog 16:19:29 Yuuhi [benni@p5483B3F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:19:39 -!- e-user [e-user@nat/nokia/x-tzbfskrzlwpzijgl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:47 right now I have basically gui controls <> clos object slots mapping (with direct updatig, validators etc) 16:20:24 maxm-: Qt has been forbidding because it seems like you have to know the C++ version before you can use it. We've been using ltk some because the learning curve is shallower + unpleasant cross-process solutions like Java GUIs that talk to CL programs, web UIs, etc. 16:20:26 Soulman1 [~knute@175.80-202-238.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 16:20:38 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:20:43 -!- Soulman [~knute@175.80-202-238.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:20:50 next I'll be making the whole ok/apply/cancel protocol, with two sub-protocols, direct editing (initial model is copied to backup, controls attached to original model and change it directly, there are Ok, reset and cancel buttons, cancel and reset restore original model from backup) 16:21:51 and other model is more standard copy-edit, (initial model left alone, copy is made and gui controls are attached to copy, Ok/Apply buttons copy the edit-copy into original model) 16:23:49 rpg: Well to me at least Qt is much more understandable / logically consistent then Tk... Layout model is very similar, but basically its layouts v2.0 comparing to tk layouts 16:24:51 -!- scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:19 SegFaultAX [~mkbernard@173.228.45.162] has joined #lisp 16:25:26 maxm-: Right. No criticism of the framework intended. Just the learning curve because it seems to pass through the C++ version. Tcl is wildly simpler than C++, so the learning curve for Tk is much easier. 16:25:43 (but my knowledge of qt is pretty stale by now0 16:25:46 s/0/) 16:25:59 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 16:26:46 |3b| [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:26:58 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has joined #lisp 16:27:13 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 16:28:57 -!- francogrex [franco@grex.cyberspace.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:29:21 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@gw.maxisat.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:32:06 -!- alexgordon [~alexgordo@host-2-97-43-32.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:35:40 scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has joined #lisp 16:35:42 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:39:10 antifuchs: the failure was all mine! 16:39:31 Xach: aw, I'm sure losing the key is all on me (: 16:41:46 Well, we can make up for it at ECLM. 16:42:28 -!- 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names with the same SYMBOL-NAME but different SYMBOL-PACKAGE 18:36:58 (possible package problem) for class #: 18:37:00 (ZPNG:HEIGHT CL-PCG::HEIGHT) 18:37:03 (ZPNG:WIDTH CL-PCG::WIDTH) 18:37:08 Ah. 18:37:34 That's kindof neat. 18:38:19 I can kindof see why the compiler would bitch about it, but I can also see where you might want the situation and would prefer the compiler to STFU. 18:38:45 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:38:48 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-112-252.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:38:50 Krystof added that because he puzzled over an error that would have been clearer with the warning. 18:39:04 yep, has seemed to cause any problems thus far 18:39:09 That's why it's a style-warn but not a full warn. 18:39:15 peterhil [~peterhil@GGGMKCCCXXXIII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 18:39:23 Right, it's legal, so a full warning is contraindicated. 18:39:42 need to go afk for a bit, 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szia :) 19:34:26 somebody with experience using cxml to parse from a network stream? 19:35:24 fe[nl]ix, szia 19:35:47 X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #lisp 19:36:01 I'm trying to parse an XML request using cxml directly from an iolib network stream 19:36:44 unfortunately cxml:parse-stream closes the stream after it finished parsing 19:37:12 Levente: a perfect use for (make-broadcast-stream network-stream)! 19:37:23 No, wait, something else... 19:37:44 Xach, will that prevent closing the underlying stream? 19:37:48 make-concatenated-stream! 19:37:54 Levente: I believe so. 19:38:02 let me try 19:38:05 Rob Warnock pointed it out not too long ago. 19:38:31 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:38:36 Levente: I think lichtblau would accept a patch that would allow keeping the stream open 19:38:57 seems a reasonable addition to the API 19:40:11 fe[nl]ix, another problem with network streams is that I had to set the buffer size to 1 19:40:11 :( 19:40:20 why ? 19:40:37 otherwise it waits for input indefinitely even though the XML request has arrived 19:40:51 that's odd 19:41:03 are you using read-line, perhaps ? 19:41:04 -!- Jasko3 [~tjasko@209.74.44.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:41:07 I guess the buffer will not be filled up 19:41:26 wget (or the browser) does not close the stream after sending the request 19:41:27 -!- Guthur` [~user@212.183.128.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:41:41 Xach, that did work, thanks! 19:41:46 -1 kludge 19:42:31 Levente: bite your tongue, friend 19:42:31 fe[nl]ix, me not, looked into cxml, but quite complicated stuff 19:42:50 hmm 19:43:35 this sounds like a bug in cxml, and a bad one because a buffer size of 1 causes a large amount of reads 19:43:58 the issue came up on the cxml ml recently 19:44:06 Levente: do you have a short test case ? 19:44:20 after the closing tag more parseable elements might come 19:44:31 fe[nl]ix, unfortunately not, because I can reproduce this only with network streams 19:44:36 and for that I need quite a lot 19:44:43 FreeArtMan [~FreeArtMa@93.177.213.54] has joined #lisp 19:45:01 schaueho, this is different, not even a single start-element is called on the SAX handler 19:45:06 unless I set the buffer size to 1 19:45:16 in which case everything works fine 19:45:24 ah, okay 19:46:25 Levente: can you use wireshark to peek at the network traffic and see if the xml data ends in a #\newline ? 19:46:28 schaueho, on the other hand I think it would be nice to have a function that just parses a single XML element from a stream and just stops there 19:48:15 fe[nl]ix, I can if you need that, but is wget --post-file not enough? I mean the file does contain a newline at the end 19:49:03 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-20.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:49:40 Levente: I'm not sure, try it 19:49:51 maybe I should have used S exprs instead of XML to communicate between lisp and android :) 19:50:25 msponge [~msponge@31-33-212.wireless.csail.mit.edu] has joined #lisp 19:50:28 -!- FreeArtMan [~FreeArtMa@93.177.213.54] has quit [Quit: 1/0] 19:51:19 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-002-156.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:54:44 fe[nl]ix, two 0xA at the end 19:55:12 Levente: I've been using JSON to communicate between lisp, android, and iOS. 19:56:11 Levente: http://jigsaw.w3.org/Doc/Programmer/api/org/w3c/tools/sexpr/package-tree.html 19:56:13 nyef, yes that was another option, but I guess I will just stick to this because it's already done 19:56:15 Most of the stupid problems have been deficiencies in either the android library being used for rfc2388 handling, or the lisp library being used for rfc2388 handling... or hunchentoot. 19:56:36 But, generally, it's been pretty good so far. 19:57:46 Levente: then something else must be going, but I can't imagine what 20:03:07 is http://paste.lisp.org/ supposed to work? 20:03:43 Levente: To an extent, yes. But there are a couple of problems with it that I'm aware of. 20:03:51 Levente: Blank page when you tried to paste? 20:04:20 nyef, yes 20:04:31 Reload the base page and look for your paste, it should be there. 20:04:32 -!- dl [~download@chpcwl01.hpc.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:04:32 bpalmer [user@unaffiliated/bpalmer] has joined #lisp 20:04:43 Unless there've been a number of other pastes in the meantime. 20:04:49 Known bug with the IRC integration. 20:05:07 there have been... all of them made by me :( 20:05:16 -!- kirkwood [~kirkwood@c-24-17-10-251.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:05:18 Hit up the per-channel paste history? 20:05:25 fe[nl]ix, apart from that, here is a stack trace: http://paste.lisp.org/display/125396 20:06:13 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:52 Jasko3 [~tjasko@209.74.44.225] has joined #lisp 20:07:08 -!- antgreen [user@nat/redhat/x-isqqkqocewrkunqc] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:07:25 nyef: there's some bug where a paste causes a blank page over and over, even if I load the main page and paste immediately 20:07:30 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:07:30 that trace tells where reading blocks with the default buffer size (which is oddly called speed in CXML:MAKE-STREAM) 20:08:06 nyef: my guess would be that the syntax highlighter signals an error 20:08:25 fe[nl]ix: When posting, or when viewing? 20:08:34 when posting 20:08:39 fe[nl]ix: If it's when posting, it's the IRC integration playing up. 20:08:53 Hrm. 20:09:00 Unless you're pasting to no-channel. 20:09:10 *nyef* sighs. 20:09:12 yes, I sometimes do that 20:09:21 I really am going to have to spend some time sorting lisppaste out, aren't I? 20:10:00 Amyn [~abennama@m328eth.crans.org] has joined #lisp 20:10:04 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:10:08 -!- Guest19890 [~Kron@129-97-120-212.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:10:57 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:11:46 nyef: I've started to write a paste-like thing which I'd like to replace lisppaste 20:11:51 my new hobby project 20:12:38 -!- Bike [~Glossina@69.166.35.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:12:44 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@193.54.120.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:13:10 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 20:13:16 -!- Jasko3 [~tjasko@209.74.44.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:14:12 thanks for your help guys, I have to go now... 20:14:22 -!- Levente [~Levente@apn-94-44-30-176.vodafone.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:15:36 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 20:17:37 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-121-21.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:18:00 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-125-89.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:18:00 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 20:18:37 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 20:20:12 -!- dlowe [dlowe@nat/google/x-ylawigbebdodfdqw] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:08 waveman [~tim@124.170.43.134] has joined #lisp 20:22:49 rpg [~rpg@206.117.31.188] has joined #lisp 20:25:42 -!- turnipseed [~cms@c-98-246-47-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:25:47 -!- cheezus [~Adium@70.50.58.10] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:25:49 lain_ [~lain@f052167222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 20:27:22 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:27:30 huangho [~vitor@187.81.112.134] has joined #lisp 20:28:44 algal [~anonymous@78-86-30-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:28:52 -!- huangho [~vitor@187.81.112.134] has quit [Client Quit] 20:29:37 cheezus [~Adium@70.50.58.10] has joined #lisp 20:35:33 Guthur [~user@212.183.128.44] has joined #lisp 20:36:10 -!- msponge [~msponge@31-33-212.wireless.csail.mit.edu] has quit [Quit: msponge] 20:38:45 msponge [~msponge@31-33-212.wireless.csail.mit.edu] has joined #lisp 20:39:50 -!- easyE [LzMV9xbunS@panix2.panix.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:39:55 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-157-89.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 20:40:06 Farzad [Farzad@46.225.117.254] has joined #lisp 20:40:32 hello 20:41:07 anyone here? 20:41:17 -!- algal [~anonymous@78-86-30-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: algal] 20:41:52 Nope. 20:42:07 -!- nyef [~nyef@c-174-63-105-188.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 20:42:25 oh 20:42:27 hi 20:42:40 got a question here 20:42:55 do u use hunchentoot? 20:44:32 some people do. If you have a specific question, maybe you should just ask it. 20:44:37 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:44:49 -!- bpalmer [user@unaffiliated/bpalmer] has left #lisp 20:45:18 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 20:45:36 sry im slow messin with this mirc, i need to use it with arabic, but i get some errors :/ 20:45:57 -!- sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-72-43-20-246.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:46:08 like letter x is not a latin-1 letter 20:46:41 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:47:08 Bike [~Glossina@71-214-103-231.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:47:25 -!- msponge [~msponge@31-33-212.wireless.csail.mit.edu] has quit [Quit: msponge] 20:47:47 is there a way to use it with unicode chars? 20:48:09 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 20:49:53 anyone? 20:50:01 Fade: as far as I know, yes. 20:50:15 Farzad: I meant you, not Fade 20:50:29 kk 20:50:33 how? 20:50:48 just use it, I guess. 20:51:00 are you having trouble with it? 20:51:07 yes 20:51:31 when i use any arabic letter in it 20:52:06 it says #/arabic_letter_seen is not a latin-1 letter 20:52:35 -!- alexgordon is now known as notquitemicahjoh 20:53:08 -!- notquitemicahjoh is now known as alexgordon 20:53:08 stipet [~user@c83-253-27-173.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 20:54:15 Farzad: which lisp are you using? And are you sure the error is from hunchentoot? 20:54:24 -!- Vivitron [~user@pool-108-7-56-243.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:54:33 Farzad: you need to bind or set hunchentoot:*hunchentoot-default-external-format* to an appropriate external format 20:54:41 the default is iso-8859-1 20:54:52 sbcl, and actually no its from some other package it uses 20:55:05 -!- tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:55:15 what could be that format? 20:55:23 im a new lisper 20:55:47 (flex:make-external-format :utf8) 20:56:16 thanks, this should do it :) 20:56:17 that would be (setf hunchentoot:*hunchentoot-default-external-format* (flex:make-external-format :utf8)) 20:56:21 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-157-89.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:56:38 Farzad: try it first :-) 20:57:02 umm i'm on windows atm need to switch to ubuntu for that :P 20:57:23 is cusp not maintained anymore? 20:57:26 Farzad: ok, from there you can use xchat 20:58:02 what's that? 20:58:16 eclipse pligin for lisp 20:58:22 plugin* 20:58:29 -!- jdz [~jdz@host127-57-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:58:35 no idea. Most people here use emacs+slime 20:59:19 thats too hard for a newbie, and i really need the intellisence of eclipse to get started 21:00:12 emacs + slime support autocompletion 21:00:24 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.40.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:00:42 and intellisense 21:00:45 kwertii [~kwertii@ResNet-33-19.resnet.ucsb.edu] has joined #lisp 21:01:03 Farzad: it's hard for the first couple of hours. Then it gets easy very rapidly 21:01:12 yes but its not auto and no quick doc window beside where u type, i'm really used to that, i come from c# 21:01:23 -!- madalu [~user@unaffiliated/madalu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:01:49 Farzad: quick doc is not a problem. no idea what auto is, though. 21:02:16 arguments the function accepts is automatically echoed in the minibuffer area when you type the function name 21:02:30 if that's what you mean 21:02:50 slime does that 21:02:56 i mean there is no popup window that shows all the possible completions 21:03:04 yroeht [~yroeht@yroeht.eu] has joined #lisp 21:03:06 yes of course 21:03:23 you'd have to hit alt-tab, but you get it. 21:03:55 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: zz] 21:04:25 Farzad: how did you find lisp? 21:04:26 yes and the choose one from the lower buffer, thats too much work for a completion :[ anyway i might well someday use emacs but not just now 21:04:41 ericparent [~ericparen@out-pq-140.wireless.telus.com] has joined #lisp 21:04:42 was reading AIMA 21:04:59 saw it mentioned there a few times and got interested 21:06:53 oh jasco is here! 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22:37:59 hah 22:38:16 I must check my backups - that private key must be on there somewhere. 22:38:24 -!- oconnore [~Eric@75-150-66-254-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:38:55 oconnore [~Eric@75-150-66-254-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 22:47:29 Harag: you around? :) 22:50:26 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 23:02:48 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:02:51 -!- sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-69.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:04:11 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.38.98.102] has joined #lisp 23:04:38 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 23:07:45 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-113-141.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:07:45 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-69-201-186-74.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:09:36 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-121-21.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:09:36 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 23:10:47 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 23:11:46 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:12:29 -!- Guthur [~user@212.183.128.44] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12:39 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ei1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 23:13:27 DaDaDosPrompt [~DaDaDosPr@184.99.13.214] has joined #lisp 23:17:35 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-17-204-30.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:18:45 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ei1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:19:07 -!- alexgordon [~alexgordo@host-2-97-43-32.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 23:19:35 -!- turnipseed [~cms@static-50-43-55-69.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:20:13 -!- oconnore [~Eric@75-150-66-254-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:21:19 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 23:23:59 -!- benkard [~benkard@141.84.69.67] has quit [Quit: benkard] 23:24:39 turnipseed [~cms@static-50-43-55-69.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has joined #lisp 23:32:25 nicdev [~user@c-76-24-21-219.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:39:01 Vivitron [~user@pool-108-7-56-243.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:42:01 triliyn [~desmond@76-206-56-151.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:42:35 -!- H4ns [d4b9ef0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.185.239.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:43:00 rukubites [~user@d211-30-71-32.meb9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 23:46:26 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:47:45 I'm writing a password entry facility for a piece of software. I want to get the password and I'm currently using readline. However this echoes the password to terminal (undesirable). I tried binding *standard-output* to an empty broadcast stream. Also tried binding *terminal-io* and *query-io* to (make-two-way-stream *standard-input* (make-broadcast-stream)). No luck. Any hints? 23:49:32 rukubites: ... you need to learn about controlling Unix terminal i/o 23:49:40 rukubites: do direct io and disable echo or use getpass() 23:49:41 rukubites: the first step is to disable echo 23:51:16 Okay, thanks. I didn't realise that it was hopeless to do it from lisp side. 23:51:32 Might callout to getpass, since I am using cffi anyway. 23:51:38 some dependency somewhere. 23:51:41 that should be 2-3 lines of code 23:53:04 Yep, of course. Just the right lines of code is the trick. :D 23:54:21 (cffi:defcfun "getpass" :string (prompt :string)) 23:54:23 <3 man. "This function is obsolete, do not use it." 23:57:38 Thanks xristos, that worked.