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(the point of using a semaphore was to get rid of it, so :thread nil will be enough) 00:08:33 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-161-45.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:09:07 Vivitron [~user@pool-108-7-56-243.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:11:28 -!- dwim [~dwim@242.Red-81-32-229.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: dwim] 00:18:08 -!- krzysz00 [~user@pool-71-170-109-124.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 00:20:27 xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.14.46] has joined #lisp 00:22:08 <3 rotatef 00:22:36 akovalenko: yes, that was still with :thread t 00:23:57 akovalenko: I just got the error running a (sleep 0.1) poll loop and no timers, so there you go 00:27:08 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:28:26 superflit_ [~superflit@71-208-214-113.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 00:29:01 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-208-218-28.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:29:01 -!- superflit_ is now known as superflit 00:30:22 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl20-201-190.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 00:31:42 -!- wormwood [~wormwood@pdpc/supporter/student/wormwood] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:31:48 -!- fluffycms [~cmsimon@98.246.47.184] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33:21 Hilbert__ [~Hilbert@86-45-172-79-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net] has joined #lisp 00:35:30 Hilbert___ [~Hilbert@93.95.87.130] has joined #lisp 00:36:31 -!- Hilbert_ [~Hilbert@93.95.87.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:36:32 -!- Hilbert___ [~Hilbert@93.95.87.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:36:54 -!- drewc [~user@PC687f74269abb-WM0003D709793f.wbb.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:39:28 -!- xan_ [~xan@modemcable210.225-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:39:35 -!- Hilbert__ [~Hilbert@86-45-172-79-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:40:46 Hilbert_ [~Hilbert@86-45-172-79-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net] has joined #lisp 00:41:17 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@wbs-41-208-219-19.wbs.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:45:20 is there a COLLECTING macro that is recommended for use? (: 00:45:42 I found tfeb referring to his version on his hax page, but there's no source, and there's no COLLECTING in alexandria 00:46:10 (and I'd really like to readably cons up a list in a non-nice iteration construct 00:46:21 or let's say hostile iteration construct 00:48:45 antifuchs: SBCL's got one. 00:49:19 ah. yeah, I was hoping there is something in a canonical quicklisp library 00:49:37 I was pretty much convinced alexandria had one, but it doesn't 00:51:33 -!- plainas [~p@31.44.230.79] has left #lisp 00:52:24 Hilbert__ [~Hilbert@93.95.87.130] has joined #lisp 00:54:29 LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-161-45.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:54:55 -!- Hilbert_ [~Hilbert@86-45-172-79-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:57:25 -!- am0c [~am0c@222.235.56.83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:58:32 -!- tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:01:04 Hilbert_ [~Hilbert@93.95.87.130] has joined #lisp 01:02:58 -!- Hilbert__ [~Hilbert@93.95.87.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:03:53 asdf has one, unexposed 01:11:22 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:19:26 Anyone know about this with Slime? http://paste.lisp.org/display/125188 01:22:23 Quadrescence: I don't know about it, but it sounds like Gray streams do not have to implement that function. 01:23:53 It seems to be stopping me from being able to compile UTF-8 encoded files with SBCL. 01:24:09 well that doesn't seem to be especially likely. 01:24:31 Err, let me rephrase. That problem seems to be related to ... 01:25:17 In emacs, what value do you have for slime-net-coding-system? 01:25:52 I did (setq slime-net-coding-system 'utf-8-unix) 01:26:41 When did you do that? 01:27:08 It's in my .emacs file. I am putting it in my slime-hook now insteadff\ 01:27:11 -ff\ 01:27:29 (no, that did not work) 01:27:40 What error do you get when you try to compile the file? 01:30:17 Xach: http://paste.lisp.org/display/125189 01:31:16 What does del2.lisp look like? 01:31:38 -!- marsell [~marsell@120.22.43.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:32:36 Xach: http://paste.lisp.org/display/125189#1 01:34:30 Quadrescence: how did you go from that to "utf-8 and encoding" as the problem? 01:34:44 I don't get it. 01:39:11 Because, when the encoding is ISO-LATIN-1-UNIX (sbcl) and the file is mac-roman-unix, I got no compilation errors. 01:39:49 What does the file look like? 01:39:54 Top secret? 01:40:14 scratch that...i don't have time to continue. night! 01:40:21 It's under a NDA. Thanks. 01:40:58 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-213-213-26.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:41:53 Quadrescence: are you sure that isn't just a matter of loading it twice? 01:42:12 Quadrescence: you reference the specials before you define them. does rearranging the file make a difference? 01:44:51 Quadrescence: the suspense is killing me! i can't sleep until i know what happens! 01:44:52 Xach: That seemed to make it not croak. But it doesn't croak either on a fresh SLIME session with mac-roman-unix and ISO-LATIN-1. Would you agree this might indicate an issue with determining when 01:45:03 there's a compilation error or not? 01:45:34 Quadrescence: what do you mean by "croak"? how are you doing it in slime? c-c c-k? 01:45:40 Yes 01:45:47 Doesn't croak ==> all is well 01:45:55 did you declare it special, or you just wait for the defvar to take? 01:46:08 Compilation finished okay when I moved the DEFPARAMETERs above where they're used. 01:46:23 Quadrescence: I don't know. If I write a file with forward-referenced specials, slime "croaks" for me, too, and I would expect it to. 01:46:23 yes, I've dealt with that exact same thing 01:46:54 something like (defun foo () ..*var*) (defvar *var* ...(lambda () (foo)) 01:46:59 Xach: I understand the warnings, but why would that cause compilation to fail? 01:47:22 Quadrescence: sbcl interpretation of the spec regarding warnings during compilation 01:47:38 And even more, why would it not fail when the encoding is different? 01:47:53 That's an interesting question but I am not all that interested in exploring it, sorry :) 01:48:01 *Xach* really zzzs now 01:48:08 Neither am I. ;) Thanks Xach. 01:48:36 Phoodus: What did you do to resolve? 01:49:15 I needed to have the function first, with a (declare (special *foo*)), then the defvar below 01:49:31 the defvar actually used #'foo, not (foo), so it wanted compile-time determination 01:50:47 of course, I have no idea how that will affect/be affect by your encoding issue 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character is normally encoded with two octets. 09:12:27 I can't find the right encoding, when I ask (sorry for this mention) 'MS-word'. to find the encoding, it works only when I select 'arabic auto-select' 09:12:46 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 09:13:05 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 09:13:22 francogrex: the 255 254 at the front is a strong hint. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_order_mark#UTF-16 09:13:28 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 09:15:51 Xach: Yes! only when I print (write-byte 57 str) (write-byte 6 str) then it outputs 1 arabic letter 09:16:33 how can I make it so one byte corresponds to one letter? 09:17:14 -!- hakzsam [~hakzsam@64.120.44.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:17:17 the element type is always (unsigned-byte 8) ? 09:17:56 hakzsam [~hakzsam@64.120.44.106] has joined #lisp 09:18:10 MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-230-232.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 09:18:43 ehu 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I had the file initially, then I read it as characters 09:28:42 anvandare: depends on implementation 09:29:08 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 09:29:26 it read something like (#\9 #\Ack #\/ #\Ack #\F #\Ack #\ #\Nul #\' ... didn't make sense that's why I then read as bytes and got the octets 255 254 67 6 ... 09:29:45 sbcl I'm using 09:32:51 as you can see I'm trying to solve the middle east crisis using lisp 09:34:31 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 09:35:00 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 09:35:07 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 09:35:07 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 09:35:21 gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 09:35:53 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@103.246.106.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:36:30 dmiles_afk [dmiles@dsl-72-19-50-180.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 09:36:37 BlankVerse [~pankajm@103.246.106.35] has joined #lisp 09:36:43 francogrex: you must choose the right external-format 09:37:01 -!- dmiles [dmiles@72.19.53.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:37:09 for sbcl, try :utf-16le 09:38:24 ah ok. 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Since we don't know what it should do, it can do anything it wants. 14:30:44 pjb: is there paste.lisp.org-support for emacs? 14:30:48 powerstone [~NAM@adsl-68-125-51-86.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 14:30:50 -!- pnq [~nick@172.162.0.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:30:58 pjb: i.e., i got a blank page in response w/o any indication that something relevant happened. 14:31:05 gensym: I never had any difficulty using paste.lisp.org with w3m in emacs. 14:31:49 -!- powerstone [~NAM@adsl-68-125-51-86.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has left #lisp 14:32:01 w3m is a good idea! i hate to cut trailing spaces when selecting in emacs an pasting in firefox/whatever... 14:32:14 s/an/and 14:32:25 zvrba: i've seen that behavior of paste.lisp.org too. pasting works, but there is an empty response page. 14:32:31 there: http://pastebin.com/EYzJ1cCk 14:32:48 zvrba: if you happen to really want to please the channel, you can just go to paste.lisp.org again and find your paste there. 14:32:55 H4ns: and no usable URL in return that I could provide here. 14:32:55 there is a lisppaste mode for emacs, but I've never used it. 14:33:24 zvrba: there is your paste: http://paste.lisp.org/display/125192 14:33:30 would be pretty awesome to be able to post a region direct to paste.lisp.org 14:33:36 H4ns: yes, I found it. but the new pastebin.com paste contains a docstring ;) 14:33:37 zvrba: your code is certainly not running because it contains a typo. 14:33:45 H4ns: ya, I corrected that. 14:33:57 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:34:21 pjb: http://paste.lisp.org/display/125194 14:34:45 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 14:34:54 try as I might, this is the cleanest non-recursive merge I could come up with :/ 14:35:16 Guthur: I had some code to do that, when you C-y in the channel buffer more than two lines, it would send it to lisppaste. But since lisppaste changed adding capcha, etc, it doesn't work anymore. 14:35:42 anyhow, said mode is in elpa. 14:35:56 zvrba: i find the code hard to read, but that may be because i never use do. the common idiom for consing up lists is to push to a list and nreverse it for returning. that often makes code much more reasonable 14:36:17 ISF [~ivan@201.82.136.131] has joined #lisp 14:36:23 zvrba: if you really don't want the push/reverse thing, you could factor out the appendable list handling so that your merge function is clearer. 14:36:34 zvrba: when null f1 or f2, you can finish immediately, there's no need to loop over the remaining elements. 14:36:37 pjb: that sounds even more cool than what I had in mind, shame it's not compatible now 14:36:43 brnhck [~hrk@219.117.195.167.static.zoot.jp] has joined #lisp 14:37:13 Guthur: you can update it http://paste.lisp.org/display/20015 14:37:14 pjb: oh! :-) 14:37:41 H4ns: yes, I wanted to play a bit with manipulating linked lists. 14:37:55 -!- lnostdal_ [~lnostdal@124.80-203-136.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:38:17 lnostdal_ [~lnostdal@124.80-203-136.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 14:38:38 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-67-201.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 14:38:51 H4ns: what do you use instead of do? 14:39:30 zvrba: dolist, simple loops, complex loops in that order 14:39:55 what are "simple" and "complex" loops? loop macro? 14:40:16 zvrba: yes. 14:40:41 (loop) is a simple loop. (loop :named x) is a complex loop. 14:41:12 pjb: otherwise, I wanted to copy the remaining elements, that's why I didn't short-circuit the loop. 14:41:33 ok. 14:41:56 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 14:41:57 but now it strikes me that the code would be more complicated with short-circuiting 14:42:13 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-183-3.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 14:42:26 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-183-3.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:42:29 or, the two null tests would come after the loop 14:43:32 H4ns: how to use loop for iterating over a pair of lists of unequal lengths? 14:44:14 H4ns: it doesn't seem possible with iterate, its manual says clearly that whichever for-clause ends first exits the whole construct 14:44:45 zvrba: i'd probably use a simple loop for this. 14:44:46 nyef [~nyef@ip-64-134-64-76.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 14:45:00 Hello all, I'm just here briefly. 14:45:13 H4ns: can you please provide a skeleton? (just drop all the merging stuff, show just how would you iterate over elements) 14:45:15 zvrba: it is debatable whether that is better, but i find the order of evaluation of do clauses hard to follow. 14:45:43 Was just checking logs, and saw a mention of lisppaste's nasty habit of showing a blank page when someone tries to enter a paste directed to a channel (as opposed to for channel "None"). 14:45:58 (loop (when (end-test) (return (nreverse result))) 14:46:12 nyef: indeed. i got some answer for the other paste I made, and I didn't bother choosing the channel. 14:46:24 H4ns: ok! 14:46:29 zvrba: If you set it to not paste to a channel, you should get a response page. 14:46:42 nyef: yeah. but I do not. 14:46:49 oh, sorry. 14:46:58 i DO get a response page when i do NOT set a channel. 14:47:05 Yeah, exactly. 14:47:33 Bogus error handling when trying to send the new-paste announcement to an IRC channel and the bots aren't connected. 14:48:03 why does it even bother with errors? i.e., just ignoring them would be fine.. 14:48:27 There's ignoring errors and there's ignoring the possibility of errors. 14:48:36 :) 14:48:44 The former would give a better result, the latter is what we have now. 14:48:57 am0c [~am0c@222.235.56.83] has joined #lisp 14:49:27 And excellence would be to actually do something reasonable about telling the user that the channel notification isn't happening when an error occurs there. 14:49:31 nyef: does each cgi run in a separate process then? 14:49:44 It's not CGI, and no. 14:49:59 what is it if not cgi? 14:50:15 but if it's not a separate process, and it ignores the possibility of errors, why doesn't it hang in debugger limbo? 14:50:34 It's a single-threaded lisp, running the website (using araneida, not recommended), something like four or five IRC bots (currently offline), and maybe an xml-rpc server. 14:50:57 so there's some higher-level error handling? 14:51:02 Oh, the toplevel handles errors fairly well, at least in the web server, but... 14:51:03 jewel [~jewel@196-209-248-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:51:10 Is there a simple text-mode text editor in CL? 14:51:12 mm, that's what I wondered about 14:52:25 Honestly, I'm kindof surprised that the system holds together as well as it does. 14:52:45 naryl: i had the impression that climacs could be run in a terminal. or maybe that was hemlock. 14:53:05 Xach: Probably hemlock, given that climacs backs onto McCLIM. 14:53:11 pjb: the image text of the capcha might provide an easy solution 14:53:17 nyef: yes, but there's always tty-clim. 14:53:25 heh, the insight from the "merge-eq" exercise: recursion can be the most elegant, if not most efficient, solution to a problem. heh. 14:53:31 Really? Neat... And news to me. 14:53:33 it's of the format 'what do you get when you multiple x by y' 14:53:40 calliostro [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-38-68-221.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 14:53:43 let me finish: ...in my head 14:53:51 naryl: (ql:quickload :com.informatimago.common-lisp.ed) (com.informatimago.common-lisp.ed.ed:ed) 14:53:56 Of course, neither climacs nor hemlock (even portable-hemlock) strike me as being particularly "simple". 14:53:58 and that finding even somewhat readable iterative solution can be rather... hard. 14:54:07 naryl: an alternativev is portableHemlock. 14:54:24 but hemlock uses X... 14:54:36 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@212.71.14.133.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:54:37 there *is* a hemlock.tty system 14:54:42 ... Why is it called "hemlock", anyway? 14:54:48 Good. Should try it... 14:54:50 pjb: Thanks 14:55:19 pjb: Does INFORMATIMAGO editor use its own terminal lib? :D 14:55:48 it's an ed(1) like editor, so it only uses line printing and input. 14:56:22 ok 14:56:27 I'm slowly working on an emacs like editor, but it's not ready for consumption... 14:57:02 What I'm looking for is nano with *all* optional features disabled. And as a CL library. 14:57:10 naryl: most implementations can be configured so that (cl:ed) calls emacsclient... 14:57:10 theBlackDragon [~dragon@79.132.235.102] has joined #lisp 14:57:41 naryl: Is there a good reason that you can't just RUN-PROGRAM nano? 14:58:08 nyef: yes 14:58:18 Fair enough. 14:58:21 mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has joined #lisp 14:59:12 naryl: what's worse, depending on nano(1), or depending on ncurses(3)... 14:59:20 I just quickloaded hemlock.tty and hemlock:hemlock does something. 14:59:33 Seems to save files. 14:59:40 Kinda cute, too, so far. 15:01:11 does it work with sbcl? 15:02:02 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:02:15 zvrba: yes. that is what i am using on mac os x. 15:02:17 superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 15:02:37 Xach: ok. i know hemlock is originally from cmucl. 15:02:43 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Client Quit] 15:02:49 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:03:49 wol [~wol@67.174.222.215] has joined #lisp 15:05:16 Xach: Hemlock.tty is perfect. Thank you. 15:05:57 -!- lbc [~quassel@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06:29 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 15:06:38 lbc [~quassel@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #lisp 15:06:38 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 15:08:35 -!- npoektop [~npoektop@213.141.130.13] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:11:17 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 15:13:10 -!- lnostdal_ [~lnostdal@124.80-203-136.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:16:31 Okay, my time's up for now. I'll be back again later... probably. 15:16:35 -!- nyef [~nyef@ip-64-134-64-76.public.wayport.net] has quit [Quit: Bye all.] 15:17:02 -!- Hilbert_ [~Hilbert@93.95.87.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:18:56 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 15:28:08 hi 15:31:10 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 15:32:21 ZabaQ [~john.conn@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 15:42:43 ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 15:43:21 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:44:39 http://coding.derkeiler.com/Archive/Lisp/comp.lang.lisp/2006-04/msg01556.html 15:44:42 what is it? 15:45:44 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:46:09 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 15:47:31 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-89-130.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48:31 -!- lanthan_ [~ze@p54B7BFF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:48:33 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:48:38 dwim [~dwim@128.Red-79-156-39.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 15:48:55 Obsolete bullshit. 15:49:07 -!- Martiini [~martin@88-196-141-145-dsl.rpl.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:49:33 it came out looking on google for STYLE-WARNING: Implicitly creating new generic function ... 15:50:02 why would you look in google for that? 15:50:17 for the error, not for the bullshi 15:50:17 for the error, not for the bullshit 15:50:31 Martiini [~martin@88.196.141.145] has joined #lisp 15:50:35 Posterdati: It's not an error. 15:50:52 http://www.sbcl.org/manual/#Style-Warnings 15:51:29 in fact I didn't use so much defgeneric 15:51:47 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 15:54:39 Now you know why you got the warning. 15:54:43 style-warning, that is 15:55:01 lol 15:55:06 STYLE-WARNING: redefining SEXPIFY in DEFGENERIC 15:55:17 ;; 15:55:17 ;; Generic functions 15:55:17 ;; 15:55:17 (defgeneric sexpify (object)) 15:55:21 i don't see what's lol about it 15:55:35 leo2007 [~leo@123.114.47.200] has joined #lisp 15:55:35 Maybe Posterdati is just a naturally happy person and can't help lol at random times. 15:55:53 Posterdati: when defgeneric precedes defmethod, there will be no style-warnings. 15:56:18 I wrote defgeneric before defmethod 15:56:38 (defmethod sexpify ((object element)) ...) 15:56:38 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 15:57:57 -!- karswell [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:58:07 Posterdati: Did you restart lisp? 15:58:13 not yet 15:58:46 Then the textual position of the forms is not as important as the temporal 15:58:51 codelurker [~codelurke@c-65-96-210-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:59:02 Xach: I noticed it 15:59:03 -!- Martiini [~martin@88.196.141.145] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:00:01 I have to fix my little project problems, because I have to implement diakoptic :( 16:00:57 ok 16:01:01 it works now 16:02:42 Martiini [~martin@88-196-141-145-dsl.rpl.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 16:05:47 zmv [~daniel@c95339f3.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 16:06:23 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06:45 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 16:08:49 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:09:20 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 16:10:25 Xach: fixed! 16:12:28 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has left #lisp 16:13:24 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-131-40.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:14:56 why is (climacs:climacs :new-process t) always getting non-responsive after a while ? 16:15:02 in sbcl 16:15:15 wbooze: whta is climacs? 16:15:29 Posterdati: an emacs written in cl, using the mcclim gui library 16:15:35 wbooze: what platform are you running on? 16:15:38 editor like emacs, but a very primitive one as of now 16:15:52 x86 16:16:00 bsd 16:16:03 slack 16:16:11 ah cl-emacs :) 16:16:16 -!- xan_ [~xan@132.207.221.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:16:19 is that a bsd with a gnu userland? 16:16:19 lol 16:16:31 err, i think so 16:16:31 -!- grouzen [~grouzen@ip21-159.200.109.crimea.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:16:42 wbooze: CLX? SBCL? 16:16:48 sbcl 16:16:50 well, you win 'the most peculiar platform' award. 16:16:50 kslt1 [~karl.sier@netblock-208-127-156-245.dslextreme.com] has joined #lisp 16:16:55 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.165.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:17:33 wbooze: adding :serve-events nil into SBCL-specific CLX code may help 16:17:53 hashtable test eql, on some parallel access error i get with climacs 16:17:57 -!- calliostro [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-38-68-221.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:18:03 Does SBCL ever move objects during GC? 16:18:08 don't know where it happens 16:18:13 loke: sure. 16:18:53 wbooze: (make-hash-table :synchronized t) 16:19:14 Xach: How does the references to those objects become changed then? (I read in the docs that SBCL uses a conservative GC, which as far as I know means that the runtime can't actually tell the difference between an object pointer and random data) 16:19:16 akovalen`: where to put all that ? 16:19:34 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.165.167] has joined #lisp 16:19:36 wbooze: where the hash table is created 16:19:36 loke: it's mostly precise. 16:19:56 "mostly"? 16:19:57 grouzen [~grouzen@ip21-159.200.109.crimea.com] has joined #lisp 16:20:00 you probably need sb-ext:with-locked-hash-table as well as :synchronized t 16:20:25 loke: only conservative for a few things (registers, stacks and register context from interrupts). 16:21:22 So if a register holds a something that looks like a reference to an object, that object can't be moved during GC? 16:21:31 loke: right. 16:21:35 I see 16:21:42 thanks for the quick and clear answer 16:21:49 npoektop [~npoektop@213.141.130.13] has joined #lisp 16:22:06 /and/ things that that object refers to must be considered live 16:22:18 (but can be moved) 16:22:36 -!- kslt1 [~karl.sier@netblock-208-127-156-245.dslextreme.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22:53 Krystof: the registers are very dynamic things though. I'd expect it be moveable next GC in that case. 16:24:44 Now I need to go to sleep. Thanks a lot for your help guys. 16:25:51 -!- setmeaway [setmeaway@119.201.52.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:26:13 dwim_ [~dwim@128.Red-79-156-39.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 16:27:57 -!- dwim [~dwim@128.Red-79-156-39.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:28:03 -!- dwim_ is now known as dwim 16:29:02 I was taking a look at Symbolic Introduction to blahblahblah and I've got a question. Is ED still in CL implementations? 16:30:04 zmv: it's part of the standard. not guaranteed to do anything useful. 16:30:12 I see. 16:30:21 Bike [~Glossina@71-214-98-150.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:31:52 -!- Kajtek [~nope@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:32:16 -!- akovalen` is now known as akovalenko 16:32:40 cesarbp [~cbolano@189.139.180.200] has joined #lisp 16:33:19 heh, ED in clisp calls the editor in the $EDITOR shell variable. 16:35:07 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-236-179.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:36:22 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.165.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:36:24 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@75-032.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:36:46 -!- brnhck [~hrk@219.117.195.167.static.zoot.jp] has quit [Quit: brnhck] 16:37:19 -!- Joreji [~thomas@75-032.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:39:39 -!- alvis [~alvis@tx-71-2-123-220.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:39:50 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 16:41:46 ikki [~ikki@189.139.232.243] has joined #lisp 16:46:29 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:47:27 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:50:04 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:50:47 -!- Martiini [~martin@88-196-141-145-dsl.rpl.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:51:13 karswell [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 16:52:53 Hilbert_ [~Hilbert@93.95.87.130] has joined #lisp 16:53:19 -!- zmv [~daniel@c95339f3.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:54:20 alvis [~alvis@71.2.123.220] has joined #lisp 16:57:19 Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 16:57:48 Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:59:24 setmeaway [setmeaway3@119.201.52.182] has joined #lisp 17:01:43 Vivitron [~user@pool-108-7-56-243.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:05:05 superflit [~superflit@71-208-214-113.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:06:08 dbushenko [~dim@146-241.vpn.aichyna.com] has joined #lisp 17:06:33 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:06:58 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 17:08:32 FreeArtMan [~FreeArtMa@93.177.213.54] has joined #lisp 17:10:27 -!- FreeArtMan [~FreeArtMa@93.177.213.54] has quit [Client Quit] 17:10:39 FreeArtMan [~FreeArtMa@93.177.213.54] has joined #lisp 17:12:03 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-131-40.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 17:13:10 wormwood [~wormwood@pdpc/supporter/student/wormwood] has joined #lisp 17:16:53 triliyn [~desmond@76-206-56-151.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:24:34 xan_ [~xan@132.207.221.199] has joined #lisp 17:26:47 -!- ZabaQ [~john.conn@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:27:22 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:29:00 -!- paul0 [~paul0@177.16.110.25] has quit [Quit: paul0] 17:29:46 paul0 [~paul0@177.16.110.25] has joined #lisp 17:30:06 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 17:30:07 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 17:30:07 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 17:32:58 Joreji [~thomas@75-032.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 17:33:26 urandom__ [~user@p548A4709.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:33:33 pavelludiq [d4e98687@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.233.134.135] has joined #lisp 17:34:55 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 17:38:30 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:39:10 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has quit [Quit: (save-lisp-and-die)] 17:41:53 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has joined #lisp 17:43:02 -!- setmeaway [setmeaway3@119.201.52.182] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:43:52 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 17:47:08 pnathan [~Adium@76.178.165.160] has joined #lisp 17:48:58 setmeaway [setmeaway3@118.45.149.50] has joined #lisp 17:50:58 ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 17:51:29 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:52:02 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 17:54:32 -!- setmeaway [setmeaway3@118.45.149.50] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:55:21 setmeaway [setmeaway3@118.45.149.50] has joined #lisp 18:03:05 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:03:31 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has joined #lisp 18:06:20 why all dirty ? 18:06:34 eheh, all git sources of sbcl version have the dirty flag.... 18:06:51 sbcl-1.0.52-dirty...blah 18:07:06 SBCL is a DIRTY compiler :O 18:07:11 lol 18:07:15 You should use ccl, heathen! D:< 18:07:41 *triliyn* uses ccl because she could never figure out how to set up alternate lisps with slime :$ 18:07:46 Got it working now though! :3 18:08:12 My problem before was stupid windows shortcuts not having the same functionality as symlinks =/ 18:08:13 -!- Hilbert_ [~Hilbert@93.95.87.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08:40 bleh bleh bleh 18:10:23 Temp [~quassel@223.180.46.123] has joined #lisp 18:10:23 -!- Temp [~quassel@223.180.46.123] has quit [Client Quit] 18:10:40 Wow, that was pretty temporary D: 18:10:44 Kron [~Kron@69.166.20.161] has joined #lisp 18:10:51 Temp [~quassel@223.180.46.123] has joined #lisp 18:10:51 -!- Temp [~quassel@223.180.46.123] has quit [Client Quit] 18:10:59 triliyn: less noise please. 18:12:33 the_next_degener [~quassel@223.180.46.123] has joined #lisp 18:14:29 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.64.179] has joined #lisp 18:14:39 -!- Guthur [~user@host86-148-186-28.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:15:59 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-208-214-113.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:16:08 -!- ChibaPet [~mason@c-68-58-147-105.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:16:11 superflit [~superflit@71-208-214-113.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:17:36 dlila [~dlila@72.53.74.234] has joined #lisp 18:17:39 -!- the_next_degener [~quassel@223.180.46.123] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17:56 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Quit: rpg] 18:18:27 Hilbert [~Hilbert@93.95.87.130] has joined #lisp 18:19:26 ChibaPet [~mason@c-68-58-147-105.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:19:35 srolls [~user@c-76-126-212-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:20:34 -!- benny [~benny@i577A2363.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:23:01 -!- codelurker [~codelurke@c-65-96-210-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 18:23:07 -!- Posterdati [~tapioca@host104-230-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:24:10 Posterdati [~tapioca@host104-230-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:27:25 Guthur [~user@host86-148-186-28.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 18:34:01 benny [~benny@i577A3FA0.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 18:34:11 Hi! I get "The name "FIVEAM" does not designate any package." even thought I added (asdf:defsystem matlisp-test .. depends-on: ("matlisp" "fiveam") ..) and have (defpackage "MATLISP-TEST" (:use "COMMON-LISP" "MATLISP" "FIVEAM") ..) 18:34:53 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:34:59 The definitions for the test system and package are in the same asd and packages.lisp files as defs for matlisp. Should I move them to separate files? 18:35:29 Who told you the package name was "FIVEAM"? 18:35:44 The names of systems and packages are not necessarily the same. Check it. 18:35:55 Odin- [~sbkhh@193.109.18.92] has joined #lisp 18:35:56 Oh, that might be the reason... 18:35:58 I'll check 18:36:28 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-214-98-150.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:36:34 (list-all-packages) or (com.informatimago.common-lisp.interactive.interactive:lspack) may come handy. 18:37:06 Of course, for the later, you would rather put in your rc file: (ql:quickload :com.informatimago.common-lisp.interactive) (use-package :com.informatimago.common-lisp.interactive.interactive) 18:37:16 hmm, but there _is_ a "FIVEAM" nickname.. 18:37:35 So that should be good... 18:38:28 Martiini [~martin@88-196-141-145-dsl.rpl.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 18:39:53 -!- Joreji [~thomas@75-032.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:40:27 I had a similar problem with fiveam on other project, and moving the package definition int oanother file helped 18:40:47 me345 [~me345@adsl-75-15-232-163.dsl.bkfd14.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:41:56 -!- Vivitron [~user@pool-108-7-56-243.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42:01 peterhil: of course you must have separate package definition files for your "test" system and your "main" system, if the former depends on fiveam and the latter doesn't. 18:42:52 kenjin2201 [~kenjin@218.235.8.175] has joined #lisp 18:43:28 kenjin2202 [~kenjin@218.235.8.175] has joined #lisp 18:43:34 -!- kenjin2201 [~kenjin@218.235.8.175] has quit [Client Quit] 18:46:04 Davidbrcz [~david@193.54.120.175] has joined #lisp 18:47:11 -!- dbushenko [~dim@146-241.vpn.aichyna.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:47:35 Ok, it seems the problem was asdf didn't know about quicklisp installed fiveam 18:47:49 It didn't show up with (list-all-packages) 18:48:20 When I symlinked the fiveam.asd file to a location where I have .asd files for my projects, it worked 18:48:54 -!- dwim [~dwim@128.Red-79-156-39.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: dwim] 18:49:43 Bike [~Glossina@71-214-98-150.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:51:43 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:51:46 Jasko3 [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:53:50 -!- help_ [~y3llow@111-240-174-11.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:57:51 -!- nanoc [~conanhome@186.157.182.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:59:01 -!- nuba [~nuba@pauleira.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:01:02 nuba [~nuba@pauleira.com] has joined #lisp 19:01:17 -!- Hilbert [~Hilbert@93.95.87.130] has quit [Quit: Hilbert] 19:01:43 -!- me345 [~me345@adsl-75-15-232-163.dsl.bkfd14.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:07 Vivitron [~user@pool-108-7-56-243.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:07:37 -!- xan_ [~xan@132.207.221.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:17:43 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18:57 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has joined #lisp 19:19:52 -!- kenjin2202 [~kenjin@218.235.8.175] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:20:22 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 19:21:13 firefly_ [~Fire@81.24.89.14] has joined #lisp 19:22:19 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: mstevens] 19:23:38 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has joined #lisp 19:24:01 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25:44 peterhil`: asdf doesn't know about it unless quicklisp is loaded. 19:26:35 -!- FreeArtMan [~FreeArtMa@93.177.213.54] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:27:08 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 19:32:51 pjb: hi 19:35:12 Xach: Ok. 19:36:05 peterhil`: there is a way to export quicklisp's list of systems, and then use that to inform asdf independently of quicklisp 19:36:12 *Xach* tries to find the paste 19:36:42 ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 19:36:50 There is some other strangeness on how Matlisp defined a logical path for packages. It only works by using (load #P"/path/to/matlisp/build/start.lisp") on SBCL now. Maybe it used to work interactively too, because makelogicalpath defun was changed with a comment hoping it will still work on SBCL. 19:36:57 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.64.179] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:37:25 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.64.179] has joined #lisp 19:37:28 I mean...by using the load from a file. 19:37:56 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.64.179] has quit [Client Quit] 19:38:04 Anyway, I'm not going to fix that now... 19:38:55 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.64.179] has joined #lisp 19:39:29 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:39:39 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has joined #lisp 19:39:51 manuel_ [~manuel_@p5792183B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:43:09 -!- manuel__ [~manuel_@p579203AA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:45:03 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A4709.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:45:28 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@193.54.120.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45:55 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 19:46:20 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 19:46:26 -!- H4ns [5b3d5877@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.61.88.119] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:48:37 Euthydemus` [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #lisp 19:49:02 -!- wormphlegm [~wormphleg@c-50-131-44-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:37 -!- manuel_ [~manuel_@p5792183B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: manuel_] 19:50:55 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:51:05 Fumpful [4e226d91@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.34.109.145] has joined #lisp 19:53:29 urandom__ [~user@p548A44DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:57:07 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.1.208] has joined #lisp 19:57:09 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@103.246.106.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:00:08 wormphlegm [~wormphleg@50.131.44.231] has joined #lisp 20:01:06 Kajtek [~nope@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:04:16 xan_ [~xan@132.207.221.199] has joined #lisp 20:07:27 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.114.47.200] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 20:08:04 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-183-3.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 20:09:05 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 20:10:41 dwim [~dwim@128.Red-79-156-39.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:15:07 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:12 -!- Fumpful [4e226d91@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.34.109.145] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:18:20 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 20:22:28 -!- moah [~gnu@dslb-188-109-202-223.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #lisp 20:25:51 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-209-248-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:26:10 dwim_ [~dwim@128.Red-79-156-39.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:26:54 -!- dwim [~dwim@128.Red-79-156-39.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:26:56 -!- dwim_ is now known as dwim 20:33:10 ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 20:35:25 firefly_1 [~Fire@81.24.89.14] has joined #lisp 20:35:25 -!- firefly_ [~Fire@81.24.89.14] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:22 -!- paroneayea [~user@fsf/member/paroneayea] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:39:32 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 20:40:18 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 20:40:37 -!- fluffycms [~cms@c-98-246-47-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: 'bye.] 20:45:21 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:45:38 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:46:05 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 20:48:28 -!- jdz [~jdz@host220-104-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Byebye.] 20:53:03 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.1.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:55:05 freetard [~proba@cpe-67-244-127-222.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:55:07 hei 20:55:17 is there a lisp graphical toolkit? 20:55:33 A particularly Lispy one would be CLIM. 20:55:43 -!- gensym [~user@dslb-088-071-149-049.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:56:01 There are bindings/wrappers to your everyday GUI libraries in varying degrees of usability/completeness. 20:56:39 why not a pure lisp based? 20:56:57 22:55:33 < antoszka> A particularly Lispy one would be CLIM. 20:57:25 #\trollfeed 20:57:25 This one is pretty pure, talking pure X protocol (via clx) on unices, afaik. 20:57:41 Oops. 20:57:59 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 21:04:47 -!- tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:05:34 Kovensky [kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has joined #lisp 21:06:07 -!- am0c [~am0c@222.235.56.83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:12 are there any WM's based on this? 21:06:17 I need a live example 21:06:31 stumpwm 21:08:29 "There are no window decorations, no icons, and no buttons." < not exactly something showing CLIM's graphical abilities or potential. 21:08:50 -!- duomo [~duomo@cpe-69-204-169-245.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:09:29 vjacob [~vjacob@78-105-184-157.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 21:10:39 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 21:11:08 akovalenko: oh do you mean because of my neck? I was trolling m$$ channel. 21:11:18 -!- freetard is now known as dontbehero 21:11:58 dontbehero: nothing very visually interesting has been done with the lowest-level CL X libraries. 21:12:34 oh, clim doesn't have its own libraries? 21:12:50 like qt or e17 etc... 21:12:51 clim is not the same as clx. 21:13:02 I was thinking a lisp oriented paradigm 21:13:07 Guthur` [~user@host86-147-205-137.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 21:13:18 clim is a lisp oriented GUI system that can use different backends. nothing has really come of it yet. 21:13:56 but that just sounds like bindings 21:14:09 I was looking a full GUI lisp toolkit. 21:14:22 Why? 21:14:34 why not? 21:14:39 dontbehero: there's Garnet. 21:15:12 dontbehero: Just wondering if there's a good reason for the qualification. 21:15:28 dontbehero: As in, do you need it to be only Lisp for some practical reason, or is it just random wankery? 21:15:59 -!- Guthur [~user@host86-148-186-28.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:16:04 Having something really advanced with great examples in just Lisp would be a cool hack that as far as I know nobody has done. 21:16:11 mm... Xach I was wondering if there was something better than java for tablets. 21:16:26 Garnet provides a demo application... 21:16:52 pjb: for some reason I can't read that as Garret 21:16:57 anything but, I mean. 21:17:00 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-208-128.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:44 dontbehero: objective c seems to be a popular alternative 21:19:36 pjb: Is garnet still being maintained, or is it bitrotting? 21:19:51 antoszka: it's free software. 21:19:58 antoszka: the latter 21:20:33 :) 21:21:22 -!- Martiini [~martin@88-196-141-145-dsl.rpl.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:21:24 mainly the latter 21:21:37 there was some work towards making it easier to load ;-) 21:21:51 is mcclim bitrotting ? 21:22:02 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:22:03 is climacs bitrotting ? 21:22:39 DaDaDosPrompt [~DaDaDosPr@184.99.13.214] has joined #lisp 21:22:44 -!- wol [~wol@67.174.222.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22:45 frozencemetery [~frozencem@CMU-786527.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has joined #lisp 21:22:54 wbooze: both of those are updated towards modern infrastructure (things like portable system definition in form of ASDF, etc) 21:23:00 why does mcclim come with it's own gl like clx ? 21:23:15 why does it have to i mean ?! 21:25:36 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 21:26:01 -!- frozencemetery [~frozencem@CMU-786527.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Client Quit] 21:27:46 is there a list and descriptions of slime modules anywhere? 21:28:48 the slime info page is not very informative 21:29:12 ltriant [~ltriant@110.174.168.43] has joined #lisp 21:30:21 alkoma [~alkoma@c-98-207-166-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:33:31 Martiini [~martin@88-196-141-145-dsl.rpl.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 21:33:33 -!- firefly_1 [~Fire@81.24.89.14] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:33:52 firefly_ [~Fire@81.24.89.14] has joined #lisp 21:34:13 I onced read that a bug fix was applied to a satellite many thousands of kilometers away without rebooting the program. 21:36:59 pcl mentions it 21:37:36 that got stuck in my mind ever since. 21:39:02 dontbehero: http://ti.arc.nasa.gov/m/pub-archive/176h/0176%20(Havelund).pdf may interest you 21:39:05 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:40:58 -!- hagish [~hagish@87.164.122.249] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:43:46 -!- Guthur` [~user@host86-147-205-137.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:11 -!- firefly_ [~Fire@81.24.89.14] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:44:29 -!- hakzsam [~hakzsam@64.120.44.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:45:30 firefly_ [~Fire@81.24.89.14] has joined #lisp 21:45:48 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:46:12 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 21:48:45 -!- alkoma [~alkoma@c-98-207-166-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:48:45 tali713 [~user@c-75-72-221-163.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:49:51 -!- pavelludiq [d4e98687@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.233.134.135] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:50:27 -!- elurin [~user@85.99.35.200] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:53 Shaftoe_ [~memet@46.196.29.0] has joined #lisp 21:52:22 is there a stock function that turns a list into a plist ? 21:52:35 a list of symbols 21:52:51 e.g. (:a :b :c) => (:a nil :b nil :c nil) 21:53:12 blah. just saying that I realize it's trivial. 21:53:16 thank you and good night =) 21:55:13 elurin [~user@85.99.35.200] has joined #lisp 21:58:58 wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-134-36.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:59:13 -!- Shaftoe_ [~memet@46.196.29.0] has quit [Quit: Shaftoe_] 21:59:25 -!- xan_ [~xan@132.207.221.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:59:54 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-134-36.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:01:27 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-196-235.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:01:45 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:01:45 -!- homie [~levgue@87.79.196.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:03:52 am0c [~am0c@222.235.56.83] has joined #lisp 22:05:35 Guthur [~user@host86-147-205-137.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 22:05:47 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-134-36.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:05:50 -!- wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-134-36.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:06:11 I bet the guy who introduced the error was summarily fired from nasa. 22:06:44 It was a complicated and rare fault due to multiprocessing. No one person introduced it. 22:08:20 ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 22:11:13 If anyone cares to see what the problem might be with Matlisp start.lisp on SBCL, see https://github.com/peterhil/Matlisp/blob/numpy/start.lisp.in I guess the problem seems to be that (load-time-value *load-truename*) is nil when loading the file interactively. Using load from a file works. 22:12:34 That files ends up processed by automake in the build directory under this dir, from where it is used. 22:12:56 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:14:08 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-208-214-113.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:14:16 that's crazy, how can a bug wait to messe up after 300 hours testing?? 22:14:37 you could read the paper... 22:15:09 superflit [~superflit@71-208-214-113.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:15:10 I am 22:15:33 -!- vjacob is now known as Ewy 22:15:37 -!- Ewy is now known as vjacob 22:16:52 Jasko [~tjasko@209.74.44.225] has joined #lisp 22:16:53 Multiprocessing bugs can be profoundly subtle. 22:17:02 -!- vpit3833 [~user@203.111.33.203] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:19:02 fluffycms [~cms@c-98-246-47-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:19:05 -!- elurin [~user@85.99.35.200] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:17 -!- Jasko3 [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:20:14 ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 22:21:16 lol 18 months testing for a craft that flights a straight path?? 22:21:53 AR.Drone does more complex manouvers. 22:22:53 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-208-214-113.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:23:05 superflit [~superflit@71-208-214-113.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:24:41 oh, race condition. 22:24:47 -!- Guthur [~user@host86-147-205-137.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:25:00 that's mostly fixed nowadays, right? 22:25:12 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba_@adsl-99-156-26-174.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: ] 22:25:42 -!- triliyn [~desmond@76-206-56-151.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:25:45 at the language level such as the developer dosent' have to do ugly hacks. 22:26:08 elurin [~user@85.99.35.200] has joined #lisp 22:27:03 -!- tali713 [~user@c-75-72-221-163.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:27:11 -!- Martiini [~martin@88-196-141-145-dsl.rpl.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:27:25 -!- alvis [~alvis@71.2.123.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:29:35 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 22:31:43 vpit3833 [~user@203.111.33.203] has joined #lisp 22:33:27 wow, fascinating a daemon written in lisp 22:33:42 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:34:31 Martiini [~martin@88-196-141-145-dsl.rpl.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 22:34:55 tali713 [~user@c-75-72-221-163.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:35:45 -!- Kajtek [~nope@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:37:45 -!- Martiini [~martin@88-196-141-145-dsl.rpl.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:38 -!- gcentauri [~gcentauri@76-85-192-184.cable.inebraska.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:40:33 -!- tali713 [~user@c-75-72-221-163.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:41:23 gcentauri [~gcentauri@76-85-192-184.cable.inebraska.com] has joined #lisp 22:42:25 alvis [~alvis@tx-71-2-123-220.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 22:46:45 triliyn [~desmond@76-206-56-151.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:48:25 -!- firefly_ [~Fire@81.24.89.14] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:49:05 firefly_ [~Fire@81.24.89.14] has joined #lisp 22:50:28 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-208-214-113.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:50:41 superflit [~superflit@71-208-214-113.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:51:28 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-208-214-113.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:51:36 dwim_ [~dwim@114.Red-83-61-35.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 22:51:36 -!- dwim_ [~dwim@114.Red-83-61-35.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:52:16 dontbehero: and the system had been "verified" formally even! 22:53:39 dontbehero: there's nothing magical to daemons or lisp. 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