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snarf a text file from disk as a string? 03:03:27 ah. 03:06:03 i'm having an issue where blank lines in a text input file are omitted in the output even though i don't process the lines. 03:06:08 i just pass them through. 03:06:46 ah, never mind, fixed it. 03:07:12 scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has joined #lisp 03:07:57 dto: alexandria:read-file-into-string/read-file-into-byte-string 03:08:05 if it still helps :3 03:08:10 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 03:08:43 thanks sykopomp :) 03:13:34 -!- techquila [~sodoscar@60-234-221-12.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:14:30 nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p4FE31AB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 03:34:19 -!- MeanWeen [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:34:37 Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:34:48 gcentauri [~gcentauri@76-85-193-191.cable.inebraska.com] has joined #lisp 03:37:58 -!- dto 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loderunner [~loderunne@adsl-074-229-197-048.sip.mco.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 04:04:55 oudeis [~oudeis@109.65.203.102] has joined #lisp 04:09:10 -!- RomyEatsDrupal [~stickycak@209-6-17-16.c3-0.nat-ubr1.sbo-nat.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: RomyEatsDrupal] 04:11:13 -!- cesarbp [~cbolano@189.247.135.245] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:11:39 cesarbp [~cbp@189.247.135.245] has joined #lisp 04:11:44 -!- nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p4FE31AB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:12:09 What's the best way to pass a list's elements to a function as discrete arguments? Just append the function to the list? 04:12:49 clhs apply 04:13:21 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-89-130.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:13:31 Xach: hey 04:13:33 loderunner: 04:13:57 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@58.62.107.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:14:09 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-wtaaxzvkcaraattl] has joined #lisp 04:14:37 ah right, thanks. 04:19:15 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:21:42 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 04:23:43 -!- altsrid [~altsrid@S010678ca39ff0146.vn.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 04:25:38 gaidal [~gaidal@59.42.113.34] has joined #lisp 04:25:51 mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-tzrdjriddqbzeoct] has joined #lisp 04:25:57 -!- alvis [~alvis@tx-71-2-122-27.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:30:58 -!- StrmSrfr [~user@208.72.159.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:33:00 StrmSrfr [~user@208.72.159.205] has joined #lisp 04:34:47 -!- MeanWeen [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:35:25 MeanWeen [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:37:35 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:38:42 alvis [~alvis@tx-71-2-122-27.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 04:39:16 -!- lusory [~bart@bb219-75-123-46.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:45:09 doesthiswork [~Adium@he190123.dsl.fsr.net] has joined #lisp 04:46:44 -!- alvis [~alvis@tx-71-2-122-27.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:46:53 if I want to set two places in an array respectively, to each of the two values returned by a function. how do I do this smoothly? 04:47:18 multiple-value-setf doesn't exist 04:47:27 and multiple-value-setq doesn't work 04:48:01 jixiuf [~user@60.209.94.66] has joined #lisp 04:49:13 SpringheeledJake [~Spring-he@211.sub-75-204-203.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 04:49:16 (setf (values (aref ...) 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I'm writing C code that wraps Objective-C code, so it would be handy not to have to reload my Lisp (SBCL) everytime. 07:22:42 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has quit [Excess Flood] 07:23:12 ... everytime I recompile my C dynamic library. 07:23:28 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 07:24:31 #'cffi:close-foreign-library might help. 07:25:01 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/] 07:26:47 Tried that, somehow it doesn't work (on OS X at least). Thanks though :) 07:30:26 yo 07:30:35 hi Lisper ! 07:32:48 drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has joined #lisp 07:33:34 aerique [310225@xs8.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 07:39:16 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-41-101.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:40:25 varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 07:44:15 ccorn_ [~ccorn@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has joined #lisp 07:44:36 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 07:46:10 -!- ccorn_ [~ccorn@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:46:40 ccorn [~ccorn@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has joined #lisp 07:46:51 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has joined #lisp 07:47:04 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:48:31 insomnia1alt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has joined #lisp 07:48:56 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:49:13 akovalen` [~user@95.73.220.203] has joined #lisp 07:49:52 one question 07:50:10 sometimes lisp interpret a function as a variable when is not suppose to do that 07:50:42 i remember that there was a character that you put before the function so it always interpret as function 07:50:47 any idea? 07:51:11 -!- akovalenko [~user@95.72.45.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:51:41 #' is the reader macro for (function ...) ... is that what you want? 07:52:13 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:52:14 -!- insomnia1alt is now known as insomniaSalt 07:52:25 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-213-161.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:54:28 -!- techquila [~sodoscar@60-234-221-12.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:54:59 misoczki [~misoczki@2001:660:3013:3:222:19ff:fe24:d155] has joined #lisp 07:56:13 -!- newcup [newcup@peruna.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:57:24 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 07:57:53 no flip214 07:57:57 its not working 07:59:10 here i posted the function and the error it gives me 07:59:12 http://paste.lisp.org/display/124798 08:02:08 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 08:03:27 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-213-161.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 08:04:45 ccorn [~ccorn@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has joined #lisp 08:05:21 ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has joined #lisp 08:11:32 jtza8: reloading a foreign library doesn't work on OSX 08:12:13 daedric [~daedric@2a01:e0b:1:124:ca0a:a9ff:fe03:3b99] has joined #lisp 08:12:13 cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has joined #lisp 08:12:13 jrockway_ [~jrockway@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe93:50b0] has joined #lisp 08:12:13 otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has joined #lisp 08:12:32 ZabaQ [~john.conn@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 08:12:34 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-213-161.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:12:45 due to SBCL, CFFI, or OS X itself? 08:12:57 OSX 08:13:27 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 08:15:20 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 08:16:08 -!- gko [~gko@27.53.35.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:17:26 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:17:37 ccorn [~ccorn@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has joined #lisp 08:19:27 insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-81-138.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 08:19:27 -!- insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-81-138.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Changing host] 08:19:27 insomnia1alt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has joined #lisp 08:19:51 -!- levi [~user@c-174-52-219-147.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:20:04 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:20:07 -!- insomnia1alt is now known as insomniaSalt 08:20:21 levi [~user@c-174-52-219-147.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:20:45 topo: just remove the #' ... glut:solid-Cube is a function, right? so why would you need anything here? 08:21:46 spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 08:22:28 flip214: it doesnt work either 08:22:30 i get this: 08:22:31 http://paste.lisp.org/display/124799 08:23:04 yes it is a function that draws a cube 08:23:12 if i do this i get a cube : 08:23:13 (defun render() 08:23:13 (glut:solid-cube 6.9d0)) 08:23:14 topo: i have annotated your first paste 08:23:55 :O 08:24:07 churib what does this "t" does? 08:24:13 i am not sure, but the default case of cond is t 08:24:30 i matches allways 08:24:38 s/i/it 08:24:46 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-213-161.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 08:25:07 hi 08:25:18 flip214: hi, sys64738:sys49152 08:27:56 yes churib that worked 08:27:58 thakls 08:28:04 *thanks 08:29:40 churin, are you churin churin fun flais? 08:31:22 topo: had to google that - no, i am not :) 08:33:19 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-213-161.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:33:44 gko [~gko@27.241.63.124] has joined #lisp 08:35:50 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:43:04 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 08:43:13 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 08:43:56 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-213-161.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 08:45:42 -!- Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:46:16 gaidal_ [~gaidal@59.42.113.34] has joined #lisp 08:46:37 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-213-161.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:47:17 Posterdati: AFAIR the reset won't initialize all of RAM, so the contents of 49152 is undefined ... that's likely to crash, right? 08:47:48 no 08:47:58 sys64738 doesn't clear the ram 08:49:14 if you a have a program at 49152 it remains 08:49:33 Amyn [~abennama@64.208.49.22] has joined #lisp 08:49:47 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@59.42.113.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:51:39 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 08:59:02 markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 09:09:55 -!- am0c [~am0c@222.235.56.83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:14:31 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:17:37 fe[nl]ix: Thanks. 09:25:29 ln5 [~linus@109.105.104.162] has joined #lisp 09:28:07 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 09:37:45 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 09:37:50 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@109.65.203.102] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:39:10 zmv [~daniel@c953332e.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 09:51:02 -!- kjellkt [~kkgt@223.81-167-109.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:51:41 kjellkt [~kkgt@223.81-167-109.customer.lyse.net] has joined #lisp 09:54:39 oudeis [~oudeis@46-116-54-219.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #lisp 10:01:09 bozhidar [~user@93-152-182-45.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has joined #lisp 10:06:08 -!- jixiuf [~user@60.209.94.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:07:12 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-199-91.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 10:08:55 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-18-18-50.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:09:34 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:15:54 drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has joined #lisp 10:16:32 -!- zmv [~daniel@c953332e.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:17:01 Kajtek [~nope@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has joined #lisp 10:18:07 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.212.185] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 10:19:13 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.14.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:23:27 firemanic [~redmundia@84.122.73.141.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 10:24:25 -!- Guest1061 [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #lisp 10:24:35 -!- H4ns` is now known as H4ns 10:24:54 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 10:27:47 -!- firemanic [~redmundia@84.122.73.141.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Client Quit] 10:30:25 DelPuerto [~youguy@31.Red-88-30-190.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 10:31:34 firemanic [~redmundia@84.122.73.141.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 10:32:29 lanthan_afh [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 10:34:35 xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 10:35:13 -!- firemanic [~redmundia@84.122.73.141.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #lisp 10:38:49 -!- gko [~gko@27.241.63.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:41:03 -!- DelPuerto [~youguy@31.Red-88-30-190.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - 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Does that stop the ELS organizers organizing the 2012 event :)? 12:09:49 fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-094-218-040-172.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 12:11:57 -!- nicdev [~nicdev@c-98-217-188-86.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: nicdev] 12:12:42 -!- Gmind [~nevermind@113.190.165.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:15:59 Xach: thy should get going to make more instead of complaining 12:16:19 dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:16:56 *they 12:20:50 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-41-101.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:23:31 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.136.127] has joined #lisp 12:23:51 Gmind [~nevermind@113.190.165.21] has joined #lisp 12:24:31 nicdev [~nicdev@c-98-217-188-86.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:25:39 nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p4FE33F2E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:29:29 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-199-91.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 12:30:00 c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-tucwizuasolwwqkg] has joined #lisp 12:33:11 -!- cheezus [~Adium@76-10-183-155.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:33:31 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:33:50 -!- sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-69.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:38:23 -!- lanthan_afh [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 12:39:28 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 12:40:36 pnq [~nick@AC82CB62.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 12:41:09 -!- nicdev [~nicdev@c-98-217-188-86.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: nicdev] 12:42:54 tsanhwa [~user@124.160.106.12] has joined #lisp 12:46:12 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 12:46:45 hi, is there something for macro like #'apply for functions, which splices argument list? 12:46:56 tsanhwa: no, not really. 12:47:04 tsanhwa: what you can do is write another macro that does the splicing. 12:47:20 (defmacro m1 (&rest arguments) `(m2 ,@arguments)) 12:47:21 then if I want something (and '(t t nil)) ? 12:47:29 Use every et al. 12:47:37 tsanhwa: you would use some, notany, every, etc. 12:47:51 o, thanks 12:48:10 that's just what I want 12:48:27 btw, is there any brief ref for this things ? 12:48:53 tsanhwa: Yes, the Hyperspec. 12:49:14 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Front/ 12:49:51 tsanhwa: there is a quick reference at http://clqr.berlios.de/ 12:51:15 thank you two ! 12:52:36 speaking of the hyperspec, is there any provision of the TeX draft standard that disallows distribution? 12:52:47 -!- Gmind [~nevermind@113.190.165.21] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:59:37 pjb: do you make mistake defining m1 above, I suppose it should be like: (defmacro m1 (arguments) `(m2 ,@arguments)) 12:59:56 As you wish. 13:00:10 (m1 t nil t) or (m1 (t nil t)) 13:00:52 dlowe: I don't think so. 13:01:23 what I want is (m2 t nil t) and (m1 (t nil t)) 13:01:32 ok 13:01:32 Xach: I didn't think so either, but http://users-phys.au.dk/harder/dpans.html seems to 13:02:05 superflit_ [~superflit@174-16-40-148.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 13:02:14 dlowe: which part? 13:02:55 Xach: "I won't distribute the converted files, as the draft doesn't grant me permission to do so." 13:02:55 (every 1 3) 13:03:05 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-33-159-240.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:03:05 -!- superflit_ is now known as superflit 13:03:07 oops.. sorrry 13:03:16 dlowe: That seems to talk about the distribution of a derived work, not distribution of the tex draft standard. 13:04:50 Xach: The Hyperspec is a derived work, too 13:06:24 I don't mean to take up anyone's time. Just thought it was an odd thing to say 13:07:29 dlowe: True. And LispWorks has/had a special relationship with the standard. And the Hyperspec is not freely redistributable and there is no explicit permission of derived works... 13:07:51 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:09:20 Yuuhi [benni@p5483D83F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:11:02 the ELS organizers are busy 13:11:04 at least I am 13:11:14 some small amount of that business is about organizing ELS2012 13:11:19 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 13:14:04 metasyntax|work [~taylor@fw-its-kt209a-2.dyn.ipfw.edu] has joined #lisp 13:14:17 misterncw [~misterncw@82.71.241.25] has joined #lisp 13:17:26 adam3314 [~user@ool-44c0fe65.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 13:18:25 -!- adam3314 [~user@ool-44c0fe65.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:19:41 cheezus [~Adium@76-10-183-155.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 13:22:23 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-199-91.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:23:52 There's no explicit permission for distributing the draft unmodified, either. 13:25:19 So I don't know. Shrugs all around. 13:25:21 *Xach* doesn't see any conflicts in anything said so far 13:26:47 *aerique* discovers #'search 13:27:11 These sorts of questions stand in the way of making a hyperspec competitor, though 13:27:15 Strange how I hadn't needed such a common function before in god knows how many years. 13:27:50 hash tables. 13:27:51 it is good for searching 13:28:19 I almost always want to search for a pattern instead of a straight sequence 13:28:50 dlowe: maybe that's it. it did need to look for a specific substring in a string this time 13:28:53 i've used search for apropos-like stuff. 13:28:58 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:29:11 e.g. ql:system-apropos! 13:29:18 aerique: if you're using strings, I bet using ppcre is still faster 13:29:22 i'm just surprised i hadn't used it before 13:29:32 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 13:29:53 dlowe: perhaps, it doesn't really matter in this instance 13:30:03 There was an option in sbcl to use BMH searching, too, so I'd be a little surprised if there wasn't rough parity when similarly configured. 13:32:18 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:32:23 -!- tsanhwa [~user@124.160.106.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:33:10 -!- pdo [~pdo@217.33.254.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:34:36 -!- whoops [u549@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wojjrhbilkkkitqu] has quit [Excess Flood] 13:34:45 whoops [u549@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjunukfrsgqzosmz] has joined #lisp 13:35:17 sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 13:35:53 oudeis [~oudeis@62.219.152.214] has joined #lisp 13:37:07 gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:37:08 -!- gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:40:51 is it possible to detect that slime is being used to load a file? i.e. i want a file to execute some code when it is loaded by slime, but not when it is loaded through e.g. asdf 13:40:55 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 13:41:36 slime-mode-hook? 13:42:04 H4ns: I guess you mean in CL. 13:42:08 pjb: yes. 13:42:09 or you mean a *features* thing? 13:42:09 if slime _presensce_ is enough, then #+swank 13:42:16 You could walk the call stack and see if SWANK:LOAD-FILE is active. 13:42:39 akovalen`: I assume H4ns wants to distinguish C-c C-l from (load "file.lisp") at the REPL. 13:42:45 pjb: eek. ok, that sounds like harsh, but straightforward. 13:42:51 pjb: thanks. 13:42:55 :) 13:43:14 H4ns: not really straightforward. There could be a (load "file1.lisp") in the file loaded with C-c C-l. 13:43:34 H4ns: the reasonable answer, is that you should not want to know it. 13:44:00 or at least, what are you trying to accomplish? 13:44:02 ChibaPet [~mason@38.104.6.150] has joined #lisp 13:44:41 pjb: this is really a workflow thing. i am working on, if you will, modules, each in one file. i need to try the modules often, and i want to still be able to load all modules without running the test code. 13:44:59 gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:45:01 H4ns: use asdf. 13:45:15 pjb: i could certainly configure a key to run a test in a file, but that'll quickly become bigger than i want 13:45:29 pjb: asdf is not the answer. the modules are not systems, but files all in one system. 13:45:55 Well, testing where you file is loaded from is not the answer either. 13:46:17 troydm [~troydm@unaffiliated/troydm] has joined #lisp 13:46:19 pjb: if it works, it is the answer 13:46:21 hi ppl 13:46:30 how can i change current working directory in lisp? 13:46:38 or how can i add load path 13:46:39 pjb: i'm afraid i'll just go with your suggestion :) 13:46:52 troydm: it's implementation dependant. The lisp way is to set *default-pathname-defaults* but it's not the same as what you're asking. 13:47:06 H4ns: define a different asd system for the tests. 13:47:17 i have a connected to remote machine with swank 13:47:17 and apparently cwd in sbcl instance in root 13:47:24 troydm: load paths too are implementation dependant. 13:47:29 pjb: the files are self-contained. one thing to test in one file. they are added on the fly. 13:48:16 but how can i load my lisp script than using slime? 13:48:20 H4ns: if you put the tests in the same file, put them as functions (I call them test/abc test/xyz), and call those functions when you want to run the tests. You can have a single test function calling them all. 13:48:25 i have it in separate file 13:48:35 and i've uploaded that file to my remote machine 13:48:35 H4ns: not the greatest organization, but you could possibly define a test suite with the same files, and a different feature 13:48:55 troydm: have a look at http://common-lisp.net/project/slime/doc/html/Setting-up-pathname-translations.html 13:49:10 or that, but it'd require editing two different files 13:49:13 pjb: i don't want to call the tests programmatically, ever. 13:50:29 H4ns: you can have a (defvar *run-tests* nil) somewhere, and (when *run-tests* (tests)) in the files so that when you want to run the tests, you only have to (setf *run-tests* t) and load the files. 13:50:29 i'm surprised defining tests inline hasn't lead to other issues 13:50:42 never mind i'll use slime-compile-and-load function then 13:50:42 -!- gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:50:55 Yes, defining tests inline is no good for big project. Only with toys it can be done. 13:51:13 RomyEatsDrupal [~stickycak@209-6-17-16.c3-0.nat-ubr1.sbo-nat.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 13:51:15 -!- RomyEatsDrupal [~stickycak@209-6-17-16.c3-0.nat-ubr1.sbo-nat.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Client Quit] 13:51:37 when i wrote test, i did not mean "unit test" or anything like that 13:51:58 pjb: thx 13:52:07 i meant "run function, visually inspect result, change code, recompile, repeat" 13:52:15 H4ns: If you want to run something conditionnally when loading a file, the best is to define a flag and test it. 13:52:25 H4ns: that's even worse 13:52:35 (...) 13:52:43 Krystof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #lisp 13:54:19 Yamazaki1kun [~bsa3@2001:ba8:1f1:f0ed:216:5eff:fe00:16b] has joined #lisp 13:55:00 -!- Yamazaki-kun [~bsa3@2001:ba8:1f1:f0ed:216:5eff:fe00:16b] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:55:11 -!- Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:56:25 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:56:48 RomyEatsDrupal [~stickycak@209-6-17-16.c3-0.nat-ubr1.sbo-nat.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 13:57:44 jikanter [~Adium@66.146.192.56] has joined #lisp 13:57:48 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ei1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 13:59:03 Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has joined #lisp 14:01:19 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:01:33 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@62.219.152.214] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:03:11 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 14:03:14 doesthiswork [~Adium@he190123.dsl.fsr.net] has joined #lisp 14:03:18 Whitesquall [~notwhites@94.242.149.180] has joined #lisp 14:06:29 Amyn1 [~abennama@62.23.212.21] has joined #lisp 14:06:30 -!- Amyn [~abennama@64.208.49.22] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:06:34 -!- Whitesquall [~notwhites@94.242.149.180] has quit [Client Quit] 14:06:38 -!- sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:07:27 sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 14:07:44 -!- doesthiswork [~Adium@he190123.dsl.fsr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:07:54 doesthiswork [~Adium@he190123.dsl.fsr.net] has joined #lisp 14:10:01 H4ns: well alternatively you _could_ do it from the emacs side, just have a slime hook dredge through a buffer for forms tagged in a certain way and send it to swank .. might be generally useful 14:10:02 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 14:10:43 -!- aerique [310225@xs8.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 14:10:44 H4ns: defadvice/setf-fdefinition around CL:LOAD and grab a backtrace ;) 14:10:55 oGMo: i'd prefer a solution that does not require emacs configuration 14:13:07 stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 14:14:16 oudeis [~oudeis@109.65.203.102] has joined #lisp 14:16:55 -!- misoczki [~misoczki@2001:660:3013:3:222:19ff:fe24:d155] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:18:55 -!- kdas_ [kdas@nat/redhat/x-yktpkrviotxerawj] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:19:12 alvis [~alvis@tx-71-2-126-82.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 14:22:43 yakov [~yakov@95-27-248-49.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 14:22:46 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 14:23:14 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ei1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:23:51 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ei1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 14:24:19 -!- cheezus [~Adium@76-10-183-155.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:26:08 Cam [~i@unaffiliated/cam] has joined #lisp 14:26:16 Hi.. is there somethign wrong with http://pastie.org/2579621 ? 14:26:23 cheezus [~Adium@76-10-183-155.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 14:27:12 yes. It's unreadable because you're dangling parentheses. 14:27:25 Where? 14:27:27 and using regular indentation levels. 14:27:33 Cam: a lot is wrong with it, but the most important error is your use of append 14:27:43 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ei1.unidsl.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:27:46 How do I use append? 14:27:49 Cam: append is not a destructive operation. your calls to append have no effect. 14:27:55 oh...? 14:28:01 Do I have to setq it? 14:28:14 (setq outList (append outList value)) 14:28:28 Cam: that would work if outList and value are lists, yes. 14:28:33 Oh great. ty 14:28:40 Also, how do I return something? 14:28:42 Just "outlist" ? 14:28:50 Cam: yes. 14:28:57 there's also reverse(inList outList) 14:30:02 I know :P 14:30:10 I just want to write it for myself... but it's not wroking right 14:30:24 -!- pnq [~nick@AC82CB62.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:30:27 bbl 14:30:28 -!- Cam [~i@unaffiliated/cam] has quit [Quit: leaving. now.] 14:30:36 -!- cheezus [~Adium@76-10-183-155.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:31:00 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@109.65.203.102] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 14:31:48 oudeis [~oudeis@109.65.203.102] has joined #lisp 14:33:19 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@109.65.203.102] has quit [Client Quit] 14:34:00 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@wbs-196-2-122-110.wbs.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:34:22 oudeis [~oudeis@109.65.203.102] has joined #lisp 14:34:24 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 14:41:53 cheezus [~Adium@76-10-183-155.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 14:42:28 drdo [~drdo@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 14:43:28 rme [~rme@50.43.174.141] has joined #lisp 14:45:04 gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 14:50:41 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 14:52:32 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.196.254] has joined #lisp 14:55:41 urandom__ [~user@p548A48F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:57:23 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@2620:0:2820:b03:214:22ff:fe45:5204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59:38 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@2620:0:2820:b03:214:22ff:fe45:5204] has joined #lisp 15:01:33 samlander [~a@wan1.dawatt.com] has joined #lisp 15:01:36 altsrid [~altsrid@S010678ca39ff0146.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 15:01:41 wow.. ton of you guys here!!! :D 15:01:47 anyone good with autolisp? 15:01:49 It is a Lisp party. 15:01:56 samlander: This channel is exclusively Common Lisp. 15:02:00 hm 15:02:11 nobody in #autolisp :( 15:02:29 samlander: this is "freenode" :) 15:02:41 -!- altsrid [~altsrid@S010678ca39ff0146.vn.shawcable.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:03:27 so being that it is exclusively common lisp, it's unforgivable to seek help for an icad script? 15:03:52 samlander: it is not unforgivable, but it is not likely to be successful either. 15:04:28 i see 15:04:50 my problem stems from the fact that im trying to manipulate the current selection in my script 15:05:07 the closest thing that comes close to what im trying to do is ssget("L") 15:05:23 but that will only get the last drawn entity, not the actual last selected entity 15:09:05 dlowe [dlowe@nat/google/x-mvvzssyjmtnxnhwd] has joined #lisp 15:09:42 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-213-213-26.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 15:10:17 fe[nl]ix: ok, the update-git-mirrors script acts up again 15:10:18 -!- c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-tucwizuasolwwqkg] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:10:22 fe[nl]ix: can you please fix it? 15:10:48 fe[nl]ix: right now, cron sends out an email every minute telling everybody that the script is still active. 15:11:54 -!- e-user [e-user@nat/nokia/x-zpsiklmmytkvnohe] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:14:45 -!- cheezus [~Adium@76-10-183-155.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:14:54 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 7.0/20110916091512]] 15:15:04 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:15:12 -!- markskil1eck [~chris@host81-132-125-16.range81-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:16:04 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-213-213-26.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:16:07 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:16:36 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ei1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 15:17:01 -!- jikanter [~Adium@66.146.192.56] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:17:12 H4ns: did it stop now ? 15:19:03 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-26-21.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:19:21 fe[nl]ix: it did stop because i put "exit 0" into the script. please re-enable once it is fixed. 15:20:13 the problem is with cron, it has no way to disable that warning 15:20:32 tsanhwa [~user@124.160.106.12] has joined #lisp 15:21:31 hi, how do you test for empty generic sequence if to avoid test the length 15:21:37 fe[nl]ix: well, you could always fork. or not use cron. or run less frequently. 15:21:53 I'll fork 15:22:18 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-79-17.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 15:22:46 -!- X-Scale [email@89.180.197.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22:51 fe[nl]ix: you want to do your own locking then, right? 15:23:11 fe[nl]ix: with a one-minute schedule, i don't quite see the point of using cron anyway 15:23:26 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:23:34 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 15:23:43 I'm already using the locking functions in /custom/conf/functions 15:23:48 fe[nl]ix: ok. 15:24:51 the scripts runs every 4 hours ATM, but I think cron start warning when a job runs for more than a few minutes 15:26:03 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.158.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:26:22 fe[nl]ix: it seems to run every 15 minutes. i kind of think that this cron is rather stupid if it sends out emails every minute if it finds a job to be hanging. 15:26:59 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 15:27:22 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 15:28:10 cesarbp [~cbp@189.247.135.245] has joined #lisp 15:28:49 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.158.34] has joined #lisp 15:29:56 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:29:59 antgreen [~user@12.232.236.2] has joined #lisp 15:36:24 -!- akovalen` is now known as akovalenko 15:37:06 -!- H4ns [~user@p4FFC82BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: headed to FLL] 15:39:29 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 15:39:59 srolls [~user@c-76-126-212-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:41:35 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:44:08 -!- ln5 [~linus@109.105.104.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:45:52 Cam_ [~i@unaffiliated/cam] has joined #lisp 15:46:23 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-tzrdjriddqbzeoct] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:46:54 Ok, I was in here earlier asking about a reverse function, this is what I have done so far... http://pastie.org/2579966 - can someone help me figure out why it isn't working? 15:47:58 cheezus [~Adium@70.51.114.70] has joined #lisp 15:48:00 you're APPENDing non-lists 15:48:06 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.158.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:48:39 that, plus you're only operating on the first element 15:48:58 What do you mean appending non-lists? 15:49:45 the CAR of a list is usually not a list. APPEND requires lists. try it out on the repl - (append (list 1 2 3) 4) will fail. 15:49:48 Bike [~Glossina@71-38-155-194.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:50:07 Oh... so how do I append it correctly? 15:50:11 list (list 4) ? 15:50:13 *just 15:50:15 Cam_: you append lists to lists. 15:50:24 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:46 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 15:50:51 Okay.. 15:51:19 francogrex [franco@grex.cyberspace.org] has joined #lisp 15:52:11 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.83] has joined #lisp 15:54:54 I got it! Thanks so much antifuchs and sykopomp 15:55:34 except that (append (list 1 2 3) 4) will _not_ fail :) 15:55:36 Cam_: (append a b) is roughly a non-destructive (rplacd (last a) b) 15:56:38 Gmind [~nevermind@113.190.165.21] has joined #lisp 15:56:39 -!- gaidal_ [~gaidal@59.42.113.34] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56:51 Alrighty.... is http://pastie.org/2580016 valid for a function? 15:56:56 Or is there a better way to do it. 15:57:05 gaidal_ [~gaidal@59.42.113.34] has joined #lisp 15:57:19 -!- tsanhwa [~user@124.160.106.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:58:08 -!- sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:59:21 Cam_: what is this function trying to do? 15:59:36 jasom: reverse a list 15:59:58 -!- HajoVonta [HajoVonta@54037699.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [] 16:00:02 LoL 16:00:02 Cam_: okay so you would call it like (rreverse foo nil) 16:00:06 so imperative 16:00:14 why don't you use recursion ? 16:00:20 jasom: no... (rreverse '(1 2 3) '()) 16:00:23 Gmind: it uses recursion 16:00:56 HG` [~HG@p579F72E6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:00:57 I mean 16:01:05 use recursion to construct a list 16:01:18 instead of setq 16:01:25 I'm not sure how to do that... 16:01:29 Cam_: your recursive case should probably be something like (rreverse (cdr inlist) (cons (car inlist) outlist)) instead of setq 16:01:50 -!- misterncw [~misterncw@82.71.241.25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:52 i don't know what cons does.. 16:01:57 jasom, you got my mind :P 16:02:03 and what line would that be on? 16:02:32 Cam_: If you don't know what cons does, you probably should read up on what a list is. It's the basic building block for all list stuff in lisp 16:02:37 Cam_: http://paste.lisp.org/+2OB0 16:02:56 exactly 16:03:02 -!- cheezus [~Adium@70.51.114.70] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:03:21 Gmind: but iteration is obviously the right thing to do here 16:03:22 akovalenko: I am banned from there :\ 16:03:57 (defun rr (list &optional accum) (if list (rr (cdr list) (cons (car list) accum)) accum)) 16:04:34 eh... 16:04:41 Cam_: better to use real REVERSE in real life 16:05:15 (defun rr (list &optional accum) (if list (rr (cdr list) (rplacd list accum)) accum)) <- Same thing but no consing 16:05:24 gavinharper [~gavinrhar@dyn3-82-128-188-242.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #lisp 16:05:45 though a good optimizer can turn the former into the later 16:05:47 latter even 16:05:48 Cam_: and I should've used ENDP for end test 16:06:18 (defun rr (list &optional accum) (if (endp list) accum 16:06:18 (rr (cdr list) (cons (car list) accum)))) 16:06:31 what's endp? 16:06:42 clhs endp 16:06:53 ? 16:07:04 What is clhs -.- 16:07:09 common lisp hyperspec 16:07:10 ENDP tests for empty list, but signals an error on dotted pair 16:07:24 http://www.cliki.net/CLHS 16:07:47 Thanks ;) 16:07:50 Cam_: it is a reference available online 16:08:04 akovalenko: http://pastie.org/2580016 16:08:08 Damn, I missed an opportunity to say this: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lisp+clhs&l=1 16:08:38 *Cam_* has a new idea! irssi plugin that changes lmgtfy to google 16:08:48 Cam_: but seriously, don't do any list stuff until you learn what a cons-cell is, or you won't understand things like why (endp foo) is good and (= 0 (length foo)) is bad 16:08:50 http://l1sp.org/cl 16:09:40 Cam_: you probably won't need append for some months -- just forget it temporarily 16:09:45 jasom: I plan on learning lisp for real this weekend. I come from a python background... so I iterate as opposed to recursing. And my teacher taught us lisp baiscs (obviously the wrong ones...) yesterday and said this was due for tomorrow. 16:10:00 Why? It's useful. 16:10:29 Cam_: append is useful, but you misuse it 16:10:34 ;( 16:10:53 I don't see how I mis-use it if it yields the results that I am looking for and doesn't give me an error. 16:11:10 Cam_, what made you change to Lisp ? 16:11:21 Gmind: the teacher requires it. 16:11:23 Cam_: sequences that you normally use in python are called 'vectors' here 16:11:28 And i've wanted to learn it eventually :3 16:11:30 Cam_: Well do you know what a linked list is? Because lists in lisp are that under the hood, whereas python lists are essentially arrays under the hood 16:11:45 jasom: not really :P 16:12:58 Cam_: do you know if your teacher requires Common Lisp or Scheme? 16:13:11 or just some abstract "Lisp"? 16:13:12 ha ha, you remind me of my 1st day welcomed here 16:13:28 altsrid [~altsrid@remote.activestate.com] has joined #lisp 16:13:43 -!- altsrid [~altsrid@remote.activestate.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13:43 Cam_: there are good books to recommend for first two cases 16:13:57 But in python I would do (if not mylist[::-1]) rr = lambda inList: [inList[i] for i in xrange(len(inList)-1,-1,-1)] 16:14:08 But erm. Regardless, I am not sure which he asks for. 16:14:11 Gmind: Me? 16:14:11 altsrid [~altsrid@remote.activestate.com] has joined #lisp 16:14:24 Cam_ ,yes, you. 16:14:48 Well, I plan on coming here often. When I joined #python a year ago I only asked questions, and it's nice to finally be able to give back. 16:14:51 Cam_: and I would do x.reverse() 16:14:54 Cam_: http://paste.lisp.org/display/124813 16:14:55 So hopefully i'll get to that point in lisp. 16:15:07 Cam_, because your python is currently imperative style, while Lisp is functional style 16:15:13 For the last time... I am banned from paste.lisp.org 16:15:19 It says "Naughty Boy" :\ 16:15:21 How so? 16:15:28 That's really strange. 16:15:44 Cam_: reimplementing built-in functions is not a good way to learn language 16:15:47 http://minus.com/mePPXiWHh 16:15:54 It's probably your local sysadmin who blacklisted paste.lisp.org. You should tell him it's a programming language. 16:15:59 akovalenko: that may be so... 16:16:06 pjb: maybe. 16:16:22 Or the website banned me. 16:16:42 I'd be surprised if there was such a feature there. 16:17:05 akovalenko: I somewhat disagree, I think learning how to reverse a list gives you a good idea for the plumbing of lists, which is good. I think reversing a list before you know what "cons" does is putting the cart before the horse though 16:17:08 Cam_: lisp-specialized sites are normally designed by people with some brain 16:17:22 Cam_: then you will have to do it yourself: (ql:quickload :COM.INFORMATIMAGO.COMMON-LISP.PICTURE) (COM.INFORMATIMAGO.COMMON-LISP.PICTURE.CONS-TO-ASCII:DRAW-LIST '(a linked list) :title "(A LINKED LIST)") 16:17:28 Cam_: so paste.lisp.org would have at least explain why you're a naughty boy 16:18:02 akovalenko: I can see one reason somebody would ban "lisp.org" on naughty accusations... 16:18:21 But that's only because they're ignorant. 16:18:27 There are no blacklisted websites for me. 16:19:18 killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 16:19:33 -!- hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-112-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:20:00 -!- Gmind [~nevermind@113.190.165.21] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:21:15 Edi Weitz site is blacklisted under 'downloads/freeware'. did not 16:21:15 *** even try to get into an argument with IT on this 16:21:46 -!- Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:22:04 Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:23:10 -!- alvis [~alvis@tx-71-2-126-82.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:24:17 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-213-213-26.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:24:44 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ei1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:25:11 -!- Cam_ [~i@unaffiliated/cam] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:25:57 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 16:27:06 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-56-34.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 16:28:03 *akovalenko* thinks of a subdomain like pasta.lisp.org -- specialized for spaghetti code 16:28:19 akovalenko: so, code using only tagbody and go? 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17:32:01 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.141.205] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 17:32:43 Yes. 17:32:50 ie. (defmacro foo (x) ``(insert xlist ,@x here)) 17:33:03 -!- ZabaQ [~john.conn@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:33:47 What are you actually trying to do? 17:34:33 (foo `(another list)) => (INSERT XLIST ANOTHER LIST HERE) 17:35:54 basically it's just to avoid having to quote each symbol in the list 17:36:31 I don't get it, sorry. 17:36:45 -!- cesarbp [~cbp@189.247.135.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:36:49 Where does quoting come in? What do you have to write if you can't do what you're asking about? 17:36:51 ZabaQ [~john.conn@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 17:36:56 Xach: Did you have a chance to pass judgement on my Google Spreadsheet code? :-) 17:37:09 loke: no, sorry. 17:37:13 Oh ok 17:37:15 Oh well 17:37:52 -!- samlander [~a@wan1.dawatt.com] has left #lisp 17:37:53 oh - in the above example, .. `(list insert xlist ,@x here)) works 17:38:32 er, make that .. `(list 'insert 'xlist ,@x 'here)) 17:38:50 I just managed to get it to save properly. However, I'm not sure my idea of tracking all spreadsheet data and updates in a set of CLOS classes is considered good by everybody. 17:40:01 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.196.254] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 17:40:07 -!- ramusara [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 17:40:30 -!- yakov_ [~yakov@95-27-248-49.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:41:43 z1l0g: oh. not sure about your original question, but if it were me, i'd stick with the quoted version. 17:43:11 okay. I just thought it'd be cooler to use `` instead of `(list 'A 'B ... 17:43:26 It might be. 17:43:39 *Xach* is not cool 17:43:50 heh 17:44:21 right. well, about done with this old textbook; on to something more current 17:44:34 -!- Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:44:44 thanks for the feedback 17:44:50 -!- z1l0g [jgw@miku.sdf.org] has quit [Quit: cheers] 17:45:51 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-009-192.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:50:30 `(list insert xlist ,@x here)) == ``(insert xlist ,,@x here) 17:50:41 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-89-130.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:50:44 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:51:08 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 17:51:26 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-41.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:51:37 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-41.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:53:07 -!- RomyEatsDrupal [~stickycak@209-6-17-16.c3-0.nat-ubr1.sbo-nat.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: RomyEatsDrupal] 17:56:16 -!- Amyn1 [~abennama@62.23.212.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:59:24 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-007-019.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 18:00:01 mutenewt [~mutenewt@c-98-227-187-219.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:00:47 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A48F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:01:33 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-094-218-040-172.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:05:54 Euthy [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #lisp 18:08:07 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.83] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 18:09:08 -!- benny [~benny@i577A73E0.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.1] 18:13:01 benny [~benny@i577A2AA7.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 18:13:49 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:15:47 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:16:11 http://www.winestockwebdesign.com/Essays/Lisp_Curse.html 18:17:27 this was written before quicklisp, right? (: 18:18:09 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 18:19:12 lol 18:19:24 ...inability to finish things off properly. 18:19:39 it is related to people character not Lisp ! 18:22:32 -!- cheezus [~Adium@70.51.114.70] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:22:52 I wonder what things winestock has done with lisp that he can talk about social problems (: 18:24:46 Lisp is so powerful, that it encourages individual independence to the point of bloody-mindedness. 18:24:52 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:24:56 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-89-130.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:24:56 lol 18:25:30 -!- ngz [~user@80.105.193.77.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:25:43 attended an alu meeting perhaps 18:26:21 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 18:28:41 ngz [~user@80.105.193.77.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 18:28:58 I think that programming language are tools, not psychiatric prescriptions 18:29:26 Xach: in that case, I can understand essayarrhea 18:29:27 Posterdati: i think there's some element of "the way things ought to be" in the culture too though 18:29:46 look at E = mc^2 18:29:53 it may be not correct at all 18:30:10 it's close enough. gps devices, etc. 18:30:17 well every language has a culture/community around it - it's not synonymous with the language though 18:30:50 df: like old medieval writers? 18:30:56 amor cortese 18:31:24 certainly, but the culture and community build interest which can be critical to keeping projects alive 18:32:18 il dolce stil novo 18:32:25 il dolce lisp novo 18:33:29 Ralith [~ralith@d142-058-092-189.wireless.sfu.ca] has joined #lisp 18:33:57 oGMo: well lisp isn't really a 'project' 18:34:24 replore_ [~replore@ntkngw304073.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 18:34:30 but sure, it wouldn't exist if there was nobody who wanted to use it 18:34:41 df: no, projects _in_ lisp 18:34:55 ah, ok 18:35:04 df: Lisp is funny and amazing 18:35:24 df: it's a complete surprise to learn 18:35:29 but not all programming is about community projects 18:37:45 projects don't have to be community projects to benefit from the community .. a general atmosphere of interest, creativity, excitement, and similar 18:38:55 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 18:41:29 _main_ [~main@76-220-16-41.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:44:19 -!- __main__ [~main@adsl-99-173-15-158.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:45:18 -!- _main_ is now known as __main__ 18:46:01 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:46:19 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-007-019.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:48:56 rpg [~rpg@mpls.sift.info] has joined #lisp 18:50:13 -!- __main__ [~main@76-220-16-41.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:50:54 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51:20 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 18:55:13 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 18:57:17 -!- sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:03:33 steveg2 [~Steve@c-71-195-234-222.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:03:53 ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has joined #lisp 19:04:05 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-213-148.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 19:05:50 mishoo__ [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has joined #lisp 19:09:28 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:09:37 Cam_ [~i@unaffiliated/cam] has joined #lisp 19:10:02 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-38-155-194.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:16:25 -!- Cam_ is now known as Cam 19:17:51 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has joined #lisp 19:17:54 -!- mishoo__ [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:17:59 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:22:18 rpx__ [~rpx__@gate3.now.se] has joined #lisp 19:23:22 -!- Cam [~i@unaffiliated/cam] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:23:24 Cam_ [~i@unaffiliated/cam] has joined #lisp 19:24:34 Hi, I have a issue with read-line. I am really weak with error handling. If I do http://pastebin.com/4ZByPpHF and I get a SB-INT:STREAM-DECODING-ERROR. Is there a smart way to just return "". (I do not want to end up in the debugger) 19:25:11 rpx__: handler-case is one option 19:25:36 Xach: I was trying to read up in the gigamonkey text but I do not really understand how to put it together 19:25:38 http://l1sp.org/pcl/handler-case 19:26:18 marsell [~marsell@120.22.70.125] has joined #lisp 19:27:03 rpx__: something like (handler-case (sb-int:stream-decoding-error () "")) or similar 19:27:58 Xach: So you basically "catch" the error with the same name as the error, in this case sb-int:stream-decoding-error 19:28:18 rpx__: It's actually the type of the error. 19:28:36 -!- Soulman1 is now known as Soulman 19:28:39 apropos [~apropos@89-168-186-107.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lisp 19:28:39 Xach: Sorry, I am weak on the nomenclatur 19:28:41 <|3b|> isn't there a setting to tell it to just use replacement character? (or maybe a restart to call from that handler) 19:28:50 which is an important distinction, because then you can catch classes of errors if they share an ancestor in the type system. 19:29:22 Xach: Thank you for your help and I wish you a great week-end. I makes more sense now 19:29:40 -!- Cam_ is now known as Cam 19:29:56 cracauer [Adium@nat/google/x-ohpbtcmfrfjscniu] has joined #lisp 19:31:21 out of curiosity how would you catch all conditions? (handler-case .. (error ..)) doesn't catch all 19:31:33 <|3b|> T ? 19:31:34 jewel [~jewel@196-215-114-61.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:33:02 it's not catching this. (handler-case (10 10) (t () 0)) 19:33:23 -!- naryl1 [~weechat@213.170.70.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:34:14 <|3b|> seems to here 19:34:36 <|3b|> (compiler complains since it can tell it is broken, but it runs and returns 0) 19:35:13 ah true 19:36:02 Xach: Now my program runs!! haha. Thanks a lot again :) 19:36:24 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 19:36:31 varsågod 19:36:36 akovalenko: "08:34:57 oGMo: just realised we can have floating-point tags" <-- The clhs Glossary entry for "Go tag" thinks otherwise: "go tag n. the symbol or integer that, within the lexical scope of a tagbody form, names an exit point established by that tagbody form." 19:36:38 sabalaba [~sabalaba_@141.212.58.196] has joined #lisp 19:37:33 Hexstream: thank you for correcting 19:37:34 -!- churib` [~user@95.156.194.105] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:38:23 akovalenko: np. I'm relieved that float tags don't exist ;) 19:38:28 SBCL seems to get it wrong 19:38:35 (tagbody 1.5) 19:38:53 or is it right? 19:38:55 akovalenko: What version? 1.0.51 behaves properly. 19:39:10 (lisp-implementation-version) 19:39:12 I thought that (tagbody 1.5) should just return 1.5 19:39:15 Xach: (I am pretty sure you are not Swedish (because you once complaint that europeans write xarch instead of xarc) so I guess you check my ip haha) 19:39:19 Jasko3 [~tjasko@209.74.44.225] has joined #lisp 19:39:21 No, tagbody returns NIL. 19:39:30 oh my 19:39:56 xlq_ [~apropos@89-168-188-81.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lisp 19:40:05 -!- apropos [~apropos@89-168-186-107.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:40:11 thanks again. if constant values don't make sense, then SBCL is right 19:40:11 I am as swedish as torsby's own Sven-Göran Eriksson. 19:40:22 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217131002.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 19:40:55 -!- mishoo_ is now known as mishoo 19:41:08 akovalenko: The way tags and statements are distinguished in TAGBODY is that tags are atoms at the top-level of the TAGBODY. The rest are statements. 19:41:38 Xach: Alright, so here is a question that only a Swedish person would ever be able to answer. You are in a foreign country, you are dying for some Swedish food, which place will offer you meat balls, Swedish candy and knackebrod? 19:41:57 ikea? 19:42:03 sorry about the offtopic :( 19:42:19 *Xach* goes back to Lisp hacking 19:42:22 dlowe: You must be Swedish :) 19:42:32 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:42:47 rpx__: no, just been to ikea. (back to hacking) 19:43:06 <|3b|> 1.5 isn't a 'statement' in tagbody either 19:43:25 (heading home from work, 21:43 on a Friday night) 19:43:41 -!- rpx__ [~rpx__@gate3.now.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:46:40 naryl1 [~weechat@213.170.70.141] has joined #lisp 19:46:44 is it possible to draw fonts with antialiasing with CLX? 19:47:12 -!- replore_ [~replore@ntkngw304073.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:21 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@109.65.203.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:49:28 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 19:50:04 oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-79-177-201-220.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 19:51:04 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:51:04 mishoo: if you write them as bitmap and grab subpixel data from somewhere (if you want proper display at low sizes) 19:51:27 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 19:51:37 Sun's proposal for modern fonts on X server side was rejected, unfortunately 19:52:10 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:52:21 __main__ [~main@76-220-16-41.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:52:47 -!- spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:53:14 yeah, of course, to render in a bitmap there are various options.. 19:53:33 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-114-61.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:53:41 also (I only looked at it today for the first time)  it doesn't seem like CLX supports the "composite" extension, is that correct? 19:54:05 -!- ZabaQ [~john.conn@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:55:20 that sounds likely 19:55:54 sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-69.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:56:03 mishoo: you might look at the clx-glx stuff and add it .. clx looked fairly easy to extend 19:56:08 mishoo: Xrender is used by Xft2, not Composite 19:56:38 Composite is Something Completely Different 19:56:53 (composite is I think for doing window-managery stuff with special effects and cubes and stuff) 19:57:18 Composite let's you "catch" windows and do compositing of them 19:57:20 yep, /me knows it's different 19:57:22 iirc 19:57:31 -!- cracauer [Adium@nat/google/x-ohpbtcmfrfjscniu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:57:32 Krystof: composite is needed for alpha blending _between windows_ 19:57:48 yes, X composite/damage has nothing to do with fonts, but can be used for a variety of effects, window manager or otherwise 19:58:58 RomyEatsDrupal [~stickycak@209.113.207.227] has joined #lisp 19:59:01 I'd like to write a classical window manager (by classical I mean not tiling); so anyway, just pondering it for now 19:59:28 I'd definitely need to render antialiased fonts (I don't want it to look like 60'es) and I'd like to have a compositor built-in 19:59:37 anyway, it doesn't look difficult to implement client support for it, or even just to write the with-request-and-reply calls yourself. 19:59:47 <|3b|> have you seen eclipse (the wm, not the ide)? 19:59:51 yeah, for the composite it seems pretty simple 19:59:55 nope 19:59:59 is it usable? 20:00:24 mishoo: "floating window manager" 20:00:32 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 20:00:38 *|3b|* wasn't sufficiently motivated to actually try eclipse 20:00:50 or stumpwm? 20:00:59 (which I know is tiling but is still a wm) 20:01:34 O 20:01:39 -!- xlq_ [~apropos@89-168-188-81.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 259 seconds] 20:01:52 I've seen stumpwm but it's not for me :-\ can't get around these tiling WMs 20:01:59 xlq_ [~apropos@89-168-188-147.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lisp 20:02:11 but I'll probably dig a lot of StumpWm code ;) 20:03:07 CL-USER> (ql:system-apropos "eclipse") 20:03:07 NIL 20:03:07 stumpwm's code is not idiomatic lisp, unfortunately. There's stupid shit like commands represented as strings instead of just normal functions. 20:03:08 stump has a (rather basic) floating mode 20:03:16 *mishoo* thinks ..oO( meh, I'm not even tempted to try any further ) 20:03:30 mishoo: you'll have more problem getting AIGLX to work so you can have any serious Composite performance 20:03:43 p_l|backup: you don't need AIGLX these days 20:03:55 Hexstream: Not sure how that's unidiomatic. 20:03:59 mishoo: eclipse doesn't use asdf for loading itself 20:04:00 Hexstream: eh? stumpwm commands are functions 20:04:24 they're also in a separate hashtable, but there are underlying functions 20:04:28 mishoo: then what is being used? or did cpu power get cheap enough 20:04:36 *sykopomp* assumed Hexstream meant that command functions were indexed by strings in some lookup table. 20:04:38 what's the common way of branching in lisp? in OO-languages, there's polymorphism, in functional, there's pattern matching, in lisp? 20:04:53 Tasser: if 20:04:54 :) 20:04:56 Tasser: whatever works. 20:05:23 Well, Common Lisp, anyway. 20:06:08 Tasser: polymorphism != branch 20:06:17 Tasser: CL has both a polymorphic (generic) functions and there are libs that do pattern matching if that is your thing 20:06:25 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217131002.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:06:53 Hum... For instance, I have (define-key *top-map* (kbd "s-1") "gselect 1") in my .stumpwmrc 20:06:53 Tasser: There are also logic programming modules that use more advanced techniques (eg prolog, screamer) 20:07:02 branching is a component in some of it, but ssentially, you have IF 20:07:17 That ought to be (define-key *top-map* (kbd "s-1") (lambda () (gselect 1))) or something. 20:07:45 Hexstream: ah, yes, keybindings are strings 20:07:52 but gselect is a function 20:08:16 Anyway, stumpwm was written as a port of ratpoison by an Haskeller or something, so it's not surprising that the code style wouldn't be idiomatic lisp. 20:08:18 p_l|backup, well, you use polymorphism to run different code 20:08:37 p_l|backup: hm, I think I confused names. you're right, it's via AIGLX (and then I meant to say that you don't need Xgl days :) 20:09:01 df: All the more aggravating ;) 20:09:15 -!- ch077179 [~ch077179@unaffiliated/ch077179] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:09:19 Hexstream: (as 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to go with ON-START, for brevity, and making it clear that the client should specialize this method, not invoke it. 22:27:30 -!- katesmith is now known as danielsmith 22:28:04 *austinh* also had a migraine earlier and is only firing on half his cylinders 22:28:29 austinh: how about naming it at-start then? 22:29:03 madnificent: How is that better? "on" is pretty common. I've never seen "at". 22:29:06 -!- danielsmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:29:07 though on-start is correct as well. calling on-start as a user seems odd (on-start) ; not something i'd try to use if i saw the name published 22:29:20 katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has joined #lisp 22:29:37 madnificent: Users should not call on-start. They should extend it. 22:30:31 austinh: and i was saying that on-start would work for that as well. at-start seems even less appropriate to call, it seem sto indicate to me: do this at the start. thus it could be something you could extend or set. 22:30:40 jrockway [~jrockway@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe93:50b0] has joined #lisp 22:30:43 _3b: Sorry I didn't reply. I think what you suggested is too abstract for my case. 22:30:44 otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has joined #lisp 22:30:47 -!- katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:30:59 daedric [~daedric@2a01:e0b:1:124:ca0a:a9ff:fe03:3b99] has joined #lisp 22:31:03 katesmith [~katesmith@75-138-199-162.static.snfr.nc.charter.com] has joined #lisp 22:31:03 -!- katesmith [~katesmith@75-138-199-162.static.snfr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 22:31:03 katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has joined #lisp 22:31:28 madnificent: Oh, ok. I guess "at" has a temporal ring to it, but "on" has a more general event handling sound. 22:31:58 on-start sounds more conventional, that's a good thing 22:32:00 austinh: another approach is to provide some macrology over defmethod, if the latter seems weird 22:32:27 so users would do (define-handler (start ...)) or smth like that 22:32:59 I used to have a problem with writing, where I'd often mix tense. I feel like my symbols still suffer from all kinds of disagreement. 22:33:39 -!- cheezus [~Adium@76-10-183-155.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:33:56 -!- BrokenCog [~daniel@ip98-162-173-207.pn.at.cox.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:34:00 i use on-event and on-update and other such names when you're supposed to extend a method 22:34:15 <|3b|> austinh: yeah, still haven't decided if i actually like that style or not 22:34:34 I'm also doing this concurrent message passing thing, which is really causing me a lot of grief with naming. 22:34:43 -!- daedric [~daedric@2a01:e0b:1:124:ca0a:a9ff:fe03:3b99] has quit [Client Quit] 22:34:58 <|3b|> having specific methods makes it easier for them to have different arguments, without the user code having to grab them out of the object by hand 22:35:00 daedric [~daedric@2a01:e0b:1:124:ca0a:a9ff:fe03:3b99] has joined #lisp 22:35:01 realitygrill [~realitygr@67-194-87-97.wireless.umnet.umich.edu] has joined #lisp 22:35:11 Yeah, I'm going to 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