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[~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:40:38 francogrex [franco@grex.cyberspace.org] has joined #lisp 08:45:18 pdo [~pdo@217.33.254.141] has joined #lisp 08:46:52 just to clarify (for those who read the logs afterwards), yesterday I remarked there was an issue with piping lisp output using format ~% compared to format ~a #\newline. The issue turned out as expected to be totally unrelated to CL. It's the application receiving the output that was problematic. It was always the first output that was abherrantly received whether it was ~% or ~a #\newline and since I was always trying the example in 08:46:52 the same order I though there was an issue with the format directive %. There is of course none. 08:47:23 good to hear 08:47:59 Amyn1 [~abennama@64.208.49.45] has joined #lisp 08:48:18 -!- Amyn1 [~abennama@64.208.49.45] has quit [Client Quit] 08:48:34 Has anyone here ever worked with OS X's CFArrayRef using CFFI? 08:48:57 'cause I'm having a hard time getting CFArrayGetCount to work correctly. 08:49:34 spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 08:52:23 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 09:05:31 -!- X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:05:42 X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #lisp 09:06:08 -!- X-Scale is now known as Guest79755 09:07:57 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-220-42.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 09:09:49 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 09:10:16 -!- Hun [~Hun@host-80-81-19-29.customer.m-online.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:11:23 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-123-53.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:11:39 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:12:12 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:12:24 Hun [~Hun@host-80-81-19-29.customer.m-online.net] has joined #lisp 09:13:08 -!- francogrex [franco@grex.cyberspace.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:13:15 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 09:13:43 -!- Amyn [~abennama@64.208.49.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:17:11 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-220-42.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:17:57 Amyn [~abennama@62.23.212.20] has joined #lisp 09:22:23 -!- Guest79755 [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:22:30 Guest79755 [email@89.180.197.133] has joined #lisp 09:25:24 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 09:25:52 Kajtek [~nope@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has joined #lisp 09:27:26 nefo [~nefo@221.238.99.251] has joined #lisp 09:27:26 -!- nefo [~nefo@221.238.99.251] has quit [Changing host] 09:27:26 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 09:29:24 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-94-237.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 09:30:00 Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 09:33:26 -!- replore [~replore@203.152.213.161.static.zoot.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:36:28 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:36:31 replore [~replore@203.152.213.161.static.zoot.jp] has joined #lisp 09:37:15 -!- Amyn [~abennama@62.23.212.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:39:01 -!- drdo`` [~drdo@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:39:32 superflit_ [~superflit@71-33-188-240.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 09:39:35 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-33-158-199.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:39:36 -!- superflit_ is now known as superflit 09:41:51 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:42:46 Yuuhi [benni@p5483DCB1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 09:43:20 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 09:45:58 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 09:53:34 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 09:54:08 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 10:05:25 edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 10:05:38 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:06:10 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 10:07:15 zmv [~daniel@c953332e.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 10:09:30 -!- topeak [~topeak@123.114.127.254] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:16:09 -!- udzinari [user@nat/ibm/x-snyngymhqqoglnmz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:23:52 -!- Guest79755 is now known as X-Scale 10:25:07 xcv [~xcv@dsl-225-28.hive.is] has joined #lisp 10:26:36 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.14.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:30:03 -!- xan_ [~xan@179.Red-83-32-85.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:31:40 -!- kellar [~kellar4@31.210.186.34] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:31:51 anddam [~anddam@151.70.116.102] has joined #lisp 10:31:53 hi 10:32:07 hi 10:32:07 does anyone know where to get mclide's source code? 10:32:20 I don't, I'm sorry 10:33:13 you tried, thanks anyway 10:35:43 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:35:50 akovalenko [~user@95.72.45.26] has joined #lisp 10:41:56 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:42:48 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 10:42:51 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:44:55 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has joined #lisp 10:48:45 ao1 [~Adium@59.78.43.13] has joined #lisp 10:49:44 -!- ao1 [~Adium@59.78.43.13] has left #lisp 10:52:34 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:53:06 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.137.164] has joined #lisp 10:56:35 varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 10:58:05 -!- Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:59:34 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:59:52 anddam: read the README.rft in the mcclide zip-file 11:01:01 correction: README.rtf 11:05:10 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:05:49 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 11:06:35 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-199-91.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 11:07:40 -!- marsell [~marsell@120.18.123.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:08:00 marsell [~marsell@120.18.234.48] has joined #lisp 11:08:56 xan_ [~xan@38.Red-80-25-35.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 11:11:31 fgump [~fgump__@host-89-241-234-120.as13285.net] has joined #lisp 11:14:27 orangesea [~xy@218.205.222.43] has joined #lisp 11:14:42 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.137.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:17:32 -!- fgump [~fgump__@host-89-241-234-120.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:20:02 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-hxdndlpyhzbskqnf] has left #lisp 11:21:14 -!- replore [~replore@203.152.213.161.static.zoot.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21:29 -!- ramus [~ramus@c-50-132-91-53.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:23:25 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-zcnhgzramgdoeimb] has joined #lisp 11:24:03 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-zcnhgzramgdoeimb] has left #lisp 11:30:48 -!- mishoo__ [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:31:43 hmm. cl-mongo seems happy on win32 with CCL. 11:32:02 although not sure if I approve of periods/fullstops in function names 11:32:15 gives me C++/Java trauma flashbacks. 11:33:49 happy with mongodb & hunchentoot server side..but client side, do I go for jQuery+stuff or parenscript? 11:34:06 hmm, seems like gratuitously making it look (superficially) like the JS console 11:35:03 -!- scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:35:28 pnq [~nick@AC82FC10.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 11:35:43 ZabaQ: Parenscript is just to generate javascript. It doesn't include all the good stuff that jquery&co bring 11:37:50 Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:40:30 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has joined #lisp 11:44:39 -!- H4ns` is now known as H4ns 11:45:41 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-44-241.cascadeaccess.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:45:44 Snaffu [~Snaffu@oh-69-34-16-39.sta.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 11:47:58 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:48:26 MeanWeen [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:49:18 edgar-rft: thanks 11:49:42 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.166.23] has joined #lisp 11:49:55 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-51-113.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:51:10 -!- xan_ [~xan@38.Red-80-25-35.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:51:53 -!- Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:53:40 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 11:54:20 -!- marsell [~marsell@120.18.234.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:57:49 mm. Parenscript looks handy, but potentially confusing, but then again ECL compiles to C 11:59:27 ECL is a real CL impl, though 12:04:31 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 12:06:57 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.62.2] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:07:27 True. 12:08:05 -!- am0c [~am0c@222.235.56.83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:09:01 -!- Adrinael [~adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:10:05 Adrinael [~adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has joined #lisp 12:11:45 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:12:39 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 12:14:17 -!- xcv [~xcv@dsl-225-28.hive.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:14:40 xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 12:17:10 churib` [~user@95.156.194.105] has joined #lisp 12:20:07 xcv [~xcv@dsl-225-28.hive.is] has joined #lisp 12:22:20 ngz [~user@80.105.193.77.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 12:22:30 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:24:29 -!- ngz [~user@80.105.193.77.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:32:59 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-199-91.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:33:30 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-199-91.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 12:35:45 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:36:44 gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 12:37:15 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 12:40:47 kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 12:44:16 -!- sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-69.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:47:02 -!- MeanWeen [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:48:50 -!- benny` is now known as benny 12:49:28 ramusara_ [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 12:49:28 ramusara [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 12:49:29 ramusa___ [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 12:49:29 ramusar__ [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 12:52:45 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Quit: Byebye.] 12:53:23 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:53:57 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 12:54:27 -!- ramusar__ [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 12:54:29 -!- ramusa___ [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 12:54:34 -!- ramusara_ [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 12:57:26 -!- pnq [~nick@AC82FC10.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:57:26 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@wbs-196-2-122-110.wbs.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:57:48 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:58:30 Deylen_t [50a5b1dc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.165.177.220] has joined #lisp 12:59:13 Hey guys does anyone what to use to find out which lisp interpreter is being used at runtime? 12:59:48 know? 13:00:00 MeanWeen [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:00:17 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:00:35 Know what to use ;) Yes 13:00:45 Deylen_t: (cl:lisp-implementation-type) 13:01:01 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 13:01:10 Thanks H4ns, thats awesome :) 13:01:38 kdas_ [kdas@nat/redhat/x-yktpkrviotxerawj] has joined #lisp 13:02:19 can I get REPL in clisp if I load a file on invocation? 13:02:29 clisp foo.lisp ; #and get a REPL after that 13:02:54 nvm, -repl in man clisp 13:03:20 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 13:03:49 vishesh [~vishesh@125.16.67.66] has joined #lisp 13:04:03 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-33-188-240.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:06:58 jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has joined #lisp 13:08:07 ngz [~user@80.105.193.77.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 13:08:29 hi Blkt 13:09:05 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-79-177-219-13.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:10:48 is CCL Clozure CL? 13:10:57 anddam: yes. 13:11:10 -!- zmv [~daniel@c953332e.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:11:16 I installed clisp, now I'm trying to load mclisp.lisp from MCLIDE and I get 13:11:17 *** - SYSTEM::%FIND-PACKAGE: There is no package with name "CCL" 13:11:30 I read about quicklisp and tried if it actually helped in installing library 13:11:53 (ql:system-apropos "ccl") gives a lot of results but no "ccl" 13:11:55 anddam: seems that mclisp.lisp uses clozure cl specific stuff. 13:12:15 anddam: ccl is a lisp implementation, not a library. you'll have to use it instead of clisp 13:12:18 consider that I don't even know what clozure is and I'm installing clisp and MCLIDE just to have a grasp at lisp 13:12:28 I see 13:12:36 anddam: http://ccl.clozure.com/ 13:12:46 openmcl 13:12:46 ChibaPet [~mason@38.104.6.150] has joined #lisp 13:12:58 I'm using macports 13:13:01 -!- EyesIsServer [~eyes@unaffiliated/eyesismine] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:13:15 anddam: i'd check out ccl using subversion. 13:13:21 openmcl is the very old name for clozure cl. 13:13:24 then I see all lisp sources for MCLIDE are using LF as line ends, is that normal? 13:13:33 anddam: as opposed to some simple implementation languages, common lisp has many implementations. clisp and ccl are two of them, and there are others. 13:13:43 oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-84-111-74-75.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 13:13:52 I see 13:13:58 -!- gko [~gko@27.52.83.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:14:10 s/simple/single 13:14:20 is there any difference with one or the other for a first timer? 13:14:30 anddam: yes. 13:14:55 -!- katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:14:57 Couldn't load lisp heap image from mclide.lisp 13:15:10 that's actually a better looking error 13:15:16 it's easier to get help from a group of people if you use the same software they do 13:15:27 dlowe1 [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:15:35 what do you use? 13:15:53 I'm reading Land of Lisp, that's why I went with clisp 13:16:08 I use SBCL and Emacs+SLIME 13:16:09 *H4ns* uses clozure cl, allegro, sbcl 13:16:19 (with emacs+slime) 13:16:27 -!- orangesea [~xy@218.205.222.43] has quit [Quit: ] 13:16:40 clisp has a low barrier of entry, that's why 13:17:15 right. runs everywhere, has friendly repl. 13:17:42 yes, I'm enjoying the friendiness 13:18:07 I haven't found that to be the case, actually! 13:18:19 I have a devil of a time compiling it - it always needs libraries I don't seem to have. 13:18:23 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:18:45 what OS? 13:19:17 Linux, Mac OS X 13:19:38 I don't have man page for ccl64 what's the syntax to load a lisp file and get REPL? 13:19:54 Xach: we fixed the port in MacPorts for clisp 13:20:01 I don't use MacPorts. 13:20:08 we fixed it anyway 13:20:51 Lucky MacPorts users! 13:21:26 Anyway, for a long time, even though I didn't use it, I thought "At least CLISP is easy to bootstrap from just a C compiler!" But it's not as easy as I thought. 13:21:56 pnq [~nick@ACA238F6.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 13:22:07 Xach: i've never compiled it myself, and the binaries that i tried just worked. 13:22:22 I wonder why I don't have ccl manpage 13:22:55 from http://ccl.clozure.com/manual/chapter2.5.html#Command-Line-Options I'd say ccl64 -l build.lisp 13:23:10 H4ns: that's how I usually get other CLs. 13:23:33 H4ns: however, I don't like getting distro binaries on ubuntu/debian because it pulls in a lot of other things I don't want with common-lisp-controller. 13:23:52 I've also found Clisp bearish to compile. 13:24:05 Xach: understandably. i think the usp of clisp really is that windows binaries are readily available. 13:24:23 once I read about the symbolics machine and how good they were as they could be debugged while running 13:24:28 those were LISP machines, right? 13:24:41 well, that and clisp runs in a lot of places where most other lisps don't. 13:24:44 and this is what the article meant, http://pastesite.com/26333 13:24:48 MIPS/Irix forex. 13:25:16 anddam: how did you install ccl? 13:25:23 sudo port install ccl 13:25:26 anddam: symbolics were lisp machines, right. 13:25:38 -!- xcv [~xcv@dsl-225-28.hive.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:25:41 anddam: i recommend checking out ccl using subversion. 13:26:22 I just did a `brew install clisp` to see how it goes. 13:26:46 it's taking its time 13:26:48 Joreji [~thomas@75-215.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 13:27:48 felideon: what OS X version? 13:28:03 I'm curious if it's broken in homebrew on Lion as well 13:28:26 abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has joined #lisp 13:30:09 seems to work fine :) 13:30:19 I'm still on Snow Leopard 13:30:25 any chance someone is familiar with MCLIDE? 13:30:32 felideon: SnowLeopard wasn't an issue 13:30:34 anddam: I installed in one time 13:30:38 s/in/it 13:30:45 felideon: because you're using apple-gcc 13:31:01 anddam: that's why I never upgrade OS X so quickly. need to give all the port maintainers time :) 13:31:06 xcv [~xcv@dsl-225-28.hive.is] has joined #lisp 13:31:22 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:31:41 felideon: I don't understand how to build it 13:31:42 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 13:31:56 the binary from May is PowerPC only 13:32:08 and that's "optimistic", at least 13:32:21 anddam: mcl is powerpc only. 13:32:32 zmv [~daniel@c953332e.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 13:32:44 anddam: to my knowledge, this means that mclide is powerpc only for the moment. 13:32:54 I don't even remember if Rosetta was still in SnowLeopard 13:33:02 anddam: the mclide maintainer seems to be energetic and enthusiastic. maybe he would help if you contacted him directly. 13:33:03 I think someone tweaked mcl to work on rosetta 13:33:10 Xach: I did 13:33:14 anddam: it is; it was Lion that they got rid of it 13:33:30 but it's not installed by default on snow leopard; it SHOULD install first time you run a PPC thing 13:33:38 yes, MCLIDE's maintainer emailed me once motivating me to try it :) 13:33:46 I've been not using ppc for a while so I wasn't sure 13:33:49 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.125.157] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:33:58 I loved the general registers while debugging, tho' 13:34:06 where does it say PPC only? 13:34:22 I'm installing it now. It said something about having to install Rosetta, whatever that is. 13:34:25 felideon: does mclide run in anything but mcl? 13:34:26 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.125.157] has joined #lisp 13:34:34 http://mclide.in-progress.com/ 13:34:35 file MCLIDE.app/Contents/Resources/mcl/MCLIDE 13:34:47 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.196.96] has joined #lisp 13:34:47 felideon: rosetta's the PPC->Intel JIT translator-y thing 13:34:52 H4ns: seems to run on ccl, lispworks, sbcl, clisp, and mcl 13:35:01 (According to the website) 13:35:08 uh 13:35:11 i stand corrected 13:35:36 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36:06 -!- redline6561_nop is now known as redline6561 13:36:15 mcl as the ccl ancestor? 13:36:16 codelurker [~codelurke@c-98-227-187-219.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:36:22 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 13:36:48 http://www.digitool.com/ ? 13:37:54 anddam: there's some terribly complex history there, but apparently mcl is a remote ancestor 13:38:20 *Xach* heard the story, it was so complex he forgot it 13:38:51 http://ccl.clozure.com/openmcl-overview.pdf 13:38:55 sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 13:39:07 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:39:08 the Release Notes in mcl/ dir talks about RMCL 13:40:53 There aren't many open-source projects which can claim both Apple and NASA as former maintainers :) 13:41:52 silenius [~silenius@p4FFC94E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:41:59 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 13:42:38 -!- cYmen_ is now known as cYmen 13:42:57 anddam: so I just installed MCLIDE and connected it to a swank server 13:43:23 felideon: atm I cannot, I'm on Lion 13:43:47 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 7.0/20110916091512]] 13:44:05 can't mcl be rebuilt for Intel? 13:44:14 rsynnott: reading the pdf meanwhile 13:45:04 ah gotcha. so yeah, you might want to ask the maintainer or the mailing list for help. 13:45:23 (it may just be that Lion is not currently supported) 13:46:39 what does an IDE provides? 13:47:20 Well, that's what I was going to ask you. :) 13:47:25 I installed slime.vim as I'm vim-used 13:49:17 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 13:49:26 ah I see, RMCL is Rosetta MCL 13:49:29 -!- sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:51:26 *felideon* needs a nickel for all the software he just installed 13:51:57 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:52:12 did you get it from quicklisp? maybe i paid a nickel for it 13:52:33 felideon: you're on a mac, though, right? You probably need $5 instead. 13:52:35 ;D 13:53:04 heh :) 13:53:33 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:53:56 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 13:54:08 there are ppc images, I'm too young for this lisp magic 13:54:17 http://code.google.com/p/mcl/wiki/BuildingMCL 13:54:23 I mean I'm not even sure what a lisp images is 13:54:25 image* 13:55:31 nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p4FE31AB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:56:33 eyes_ [~eyes@unaffiliated/eyesismine] has joined #lisp 13:56:34 is it like a Smalltalk image file? (about which I've got only a vague idea) 13:57:05 A little. 13:58:16 -!- Deylen_t [50a5b1dc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.165.177.220] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:58:24 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 13:59:30 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-199-91.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:00:19 how can I inspect an image? 14:01:00 ignas [~ignas@212.180.202.114] has joined #lisp 14:01:05 Usually you use the image to start your Lisp, and then the image consists of all the packages, symbols, objects, etc. 14:01:17 I haven't had the occasion to inspect an image "offline". 14:01:22 anddam: think core dump/memory image (an oversimplicfication of a sort) 14:01:43 of the native machine or of a lisp machine? 14:02:17 lisp machine - but it's an oversimplification 14:02:23 the whole point in mcl being ppc only is that it needs PPCCL, a PowerPC Executable 14:03:05 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03:05 this is not worth it, I'll wait if an Intel version will ever be available 14:03:36 replore [~replore@ntkngw304073.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:04:22 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 14:04:37 anddam: what is your goal? do you just want to learn Lisp? 14:04:45 yes 14:05:06 And you are used to a graphical IDE? 14:05:09 but being on OSX and reading "A common lisp IDE for Mac OS X" I wanted to give it a try 14:05:19 probably I spent more time on CLI 14:07:49 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-199-91.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 14:08:22 -!- vishesh [~vishesh@125.16.67.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:08:25 sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 14:11:43 You could try Emacs 14:13:15 CMUCL distribution has a kind of slime-like IDE, but Emacs is far better 14:13:30 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-199-91.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:13:43 look for a commercial distribution otherwise 14:16:33 -!- erg_ is now known as erg 14:16:50 are the commercial IDEs really better than emacs/slime? 14:17:22 oGMo: people who like them seem to really like them. 14:17:31 Xach: hm. 14:17:32 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 14:17:36 oGMo: that depends on what you consider "better". they are certainly more accessible. 14:19:19 -!- sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:20:20 doesn't Clozure CL have an IDE? 14:21:41 sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 14:21:57 at a glance, acl's ide appears to have more capabilities than sldb, i suppose 14:22:28 -!- daedric [~daedric@sd-22082.dedibox.fr] has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:23:25 cheezus [~Adium@76-10-183-155.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 14:23:26 cesarbp [~cbolano@189.247.135.245] has joined #lisp 14:23:52 rme [~rme@50.43.174.141] has joined #lisp 14:24:12 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-199-91.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 14:24:37 loke [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 14:24:41 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA238F6.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:27:32 daedric [~daedric@2a01:e0b:1:124:ca0a:a9ff:fe03:3b99] has joined #lisp 14:31:00 -!- markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:32:19 felideon: seems so 14:32:20 http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/wiki/CocoaIdeInternals 14:32:39 -!- MeanWeen [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:32:55 markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 14:32:59 -!- dlowe1 [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 14:33:20 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:42 considering the liberal development model of slime, no wonder it's staying behind... :) 14:33:59 Xach: and people who hate them really really hate them. 14:34:37 -!- hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-112-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:35:16 oGMo: I've been dealing with the ACL IDE for a while now. I have yet to find something that would make me say it has more capabilities. Is there anything in particular that makes you say that? 14:35:50 I wonder if if oGMo is talking about the stepper, since he mentioned sldb. 14:36:13 yes, stepping 14:37:28 dl [~download@chpcwl01.hpc.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 14:38:12 but it's the only thing i really see that slime/sldb is a bit thin on, obviously being implementation-dependent 14:40:29 -!- codelurker [~codelurke@c-98-227-187-219.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 14:41:33 misterncw [~misterncw@82.71.241.25] has joined #lisp 14:43:45 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-166-60.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:44:51 MeanWeen [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:46:13 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-166-60.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 14:46:37 mindCrime [~chatzilla@rrcs-70-62-112-146.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:49:11 -!- sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:49:18 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 14:50:40 -!- aerique [310225@xs8.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 14:51:11 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.212.168] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:51:22 sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 14:52:29 dfox [~dfox@2001:470:9d8f:0:4261:86ff:fe8e:8446] has joined #lisp 14:52:40 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-89-130.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:52:50 -!- quackv2 [~quack@vps-1058467-4367.manage.myhosting.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:52:59 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.212.168] has joined #lisp 14:53:30 quackv2 [~quack@vps-1058467-4367.manage.myhosting.com] has joined #lisp 14:53:43 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:54:10 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 14:54:35 -!- markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:57:01 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@GGYYYMMMDCCCXI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:57:51 peterhil` [~peterhil@GGYYYMMMDCCCXI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 14:59:47 hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-112-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 15:01:16 scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has joined #lisp 15:03:20 RomyEatsDrupal [~stickycak@209-6-17-16.c3-0.nat-ubr1.sbo-nat.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 15:03:44 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.196.96] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 15:03:51 markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 15:04:12 -!- xcv [~xcv@dsl-225-28.hive.is] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04:33 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:04:48 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-199-91.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:07:09 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:07:54 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 15:14:43 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 15:17:38 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-166-60.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:19:00 -!- sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:21:34 -!- Joreji [~thomas@75-215.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:21:35 sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 15:21:59 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:23:13 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-26-21.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 15:23:41 -!- ecraven [~nex@www.nexoid.at] has quit [Quit: brb] 15:23:44 jewel [~jewel@196-215-114-61.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:24:22 ecraven [~nex@www.nexoid.at] has joined #lisp 15:24:23 -!- bfein [~bfein@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26:48 well, step is defined in the spec. does allegro extend the specification? 15:26:56 -!- eyes_ is now known as EyesIsServer 15:28:15 Joreji [~thomas@69-134.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 15:28:47 a debugger is also defined in the spec, but the exact form is not specified 15:29:09 "The specific nature of the interaction, including which I/O streams are used and whether the stepping has lexical or dynamic scope, is implementation-defined." 15:29:22 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-26-21.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:30:27 -!- altsrid [~altsrid@S010678ca39ff0146.vn.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:30:30 lundis [~lundis@dyn56-31.yok.fi] has joined #lisp 15:30:41 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.212.168] has quit [Quit: Offline] 15:31:00 spradnyesh [~pradyus@117.192.35.37] has joined #lisp 15:36:06 realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has joined #lisp 15:37:25 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@117.192.35.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:39:15 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:40:01 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 15:40:47 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-26-21.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 15:41:58 -!- MeanWeen [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:42:19 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.166.23] has left #lisp 15:43:18 -!- markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:43:32 bye 15:43:36 thanks all 15:43:37 -!- anddam [~anddam@151.70.116.102] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43:39 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:44:27 bfein [~bfein@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 15:44:45 cheezus1 [~Adium@ottawa-hs-64-26-155-215.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #lisp 15:45:22 insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-51-20.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 15:45:22 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-51-20.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Changing host] 15:45:22 insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has joined #lisp 15:45:52 -!- cheezus [~Adium@76-10-183-155.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:47:10 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:47:19 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 15:48:02
hello! Is anyone aware of a multi-machine tool like xargs is for one machine? (MPI xargs?) 15:48:24 *dl* has to run a boatload of embarrasingly parallel jobs 15:48:43
... or, my users do, really ... 15:48:43 not one written in lisp 15:48:54 -!- sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:48:57 cheezus [~Adium@76-10-183-155.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 15:49:08 *dl* will have to consider writing one! 15:49:16
thanks! 15:49:35 though Xach had a pretty great one that he recruited #lispers to help process 15:49:46 -!- cheezus1 [~Adium@ottawa-hs-64-26-155-215.s-ip.magma.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:50:26 dl: check http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/parallel 15:50:40 sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 15:50:47 dl: this might be relevant, never used it: http://www.cliki.net/philip-jose 15:51:38
jdz: Thanks, but AFICT that is a single-machine tool 15:51:43 dl: the author is Fare, sitting here listening 15:51:45 dl: really? 15:52:12 dl: the first sentence of the description states differently 15:52:37 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-qhcrqfzzdeqwstuj] has joined #lisp 15:52:56 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-89-130.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:53:48
jdz: nope, you're right, there is at least *some* support for what I'm trying to do! (Thank you so much!!! :) 15:53:50 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-yzqjtdjfrkbdboyo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:54:19
attila_lendvai: philip-jose looks cool! Thanks! 15:54:29 MeanWeen [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:54:32 *dl* will have to read up on it 15:55:31 -!- Joreji [~thomas@69-134.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:55:35 ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 15:55:46 dl: of course, I have my own scripts... 15:57:11
pjb: I think we all do :) 15:57:14 http://paste.lisp.org/display/124783 15:57:16 for example. 15:58:00 dl: gnu parallel. 15:58:45 ahinki [~chatzilla@AAmiens-551-1-30-209.w92-131.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 15:59:37 somebody's reading logs top-down 16:01:53 good evening everyone 16:02:22 -!- Blkt [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04:04 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:04:05 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-qhcrqfzzdeqwstuj] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:04:32 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 16:04:47 araujo [~araujo@190.73.44.29] has joined #lisp 16:04:50 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 16:04:56 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.73.44.29] has quit [Changing host] 16:04:56 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 16:06:23 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:10:07 codelurker [~codelurke@c-98-227-187-219.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:23 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-114-61.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:10:43 -!- cheezus [~Adium@76-10-183-155.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:10:51 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:11:28 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.179.203] has joined #lisp 16:11:55 ericklc [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has joined #lisp 16:11:57 -!- MeanWeen [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:14:06 -!- ericklc is now known as ikki 16:15:40 pnq [~nick@AC8277C2.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 16:16:24 Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:17:01 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.136.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:17:15 Cloud_ [~cbolano@189.247.135.245] has joined #lisp 16:17:58 -!- misterncw [~misterncw@82.71.241.25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:18:42 -!- sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:50 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-216-155-214-070.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 16:20:06 Bike [~Glossina@69.166.35.238] has joined #lisp 16:20:28 -!- cesarbp [~cbolano@189.247.135.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:21:02 sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 16:23:44 jtza8 [~jtza8@wbs-196-2-122-110.wbs.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:24:31 gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 16:25:04 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-uvxhrbcrezmdnzlf] has joined #lisp 16:25:35 -!- xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:25:39 Amyn [~abennama@cac94-2-87-91-21-215.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 16:25:44 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.179.203] has quit [Quit: Offline] 16:27:07 -!- c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-kajdndeoqyhfrkmd] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:28:07 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 16:28:22 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 16:28:22 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-uvxhrbcrezmdnzlf] has quit [Client Quit] 16:29:13 -!- Cloud_ is now known as cesarbp 16:31:41 -!- zmv [~daniel@c953332e.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:34:23 rwiker_ [~rwiker@187.80-202-32.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 16:35:40 -!- pdo [~pdo@217.33.254.141] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:36:32 markskilbeck [~chris@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 16:37:44 fmeyer [~fmeyer@189.102.176.125] has joined #lisp 16:37:48 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.125.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37:49 jdz [~jdz@host122-90-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 16:37:50 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.179.203] has joined #lisp 16:39:53 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:41:16 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 16:41:18 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:46:39 altsrid [~altsrid@remote.activestate.com] has joined #lisp 16:46:51 -!- pnq [~nick@AC8277C2.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:47:57 SegFaultAX [~mkbernard@173.228.45.162] has joined #lisp 16:48:12 clhs 5.1.1.2.1 16:48:28 -!- sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:48:31 http://l1sp.org/cl/5.1.1.2.1 16:48:36 Joreji [~thomas@82-223.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 16:49:09 thanks. can someone tell me why the last expansions isn't http://paste.lisp.org/+2OA8 ? 16:50:09 *loke* screams and yells in pain 16:50:11 expansion* 16:50:12 sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 16:51:27 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.179.203] has quit [Quit: Offline] 16:51:34 iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-151-161.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 16:52:04 (the call car once only) 16:52:31 acelent: if the expansion uses rplaca, i'd rather the rplaca-ed value be in terms of a non-stale value of the car. 16:52:59 acelent: you can't (setf ldb) without separate load and store steps 16:53:08 pkhuong: but is that required? 16:53:37 akovalenko: i know, but in the second example i manufactured, i only call car once, no matter how many times you use the access form or write form 16:54:26 acelent: and regardless of whether the car is changed by any intervening form. 16:55:49 pkhuong: for instance, the subseq example caches the result of seq (which might be a form) 16:56:02 pkhuong: why shouldn't the ldb one do the same? 16:56:45 because the sequence is a value. 16:57:24 dpb can't change the value in the car itself; it must mutate the cons so that its car refers to a fresh value. 16:57:40 pkhuong: ok, but my second example does that too 16:58:00 but the car is updated in terms of a stale value. 16:58:20 -!- codelurker [~codelurke@c-98-227-187-219.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:58:35 pkhuong: is it required not to be a stale value? 16:58:39 (setf (ldb (byte 20 8) (car x)) (setf (car x) 17)) ; ? 16:59:20 acelent: I find that very sane behaviour. 16:59:47 is it possible to construct a case where it matters? Is it possible to construct a case where it matters withou threads? 16:59:56 Kryztof: I didn't have threads in mind at all. 17:00:02 Kryztof: ah nice, the cons might be altered by the side effects of the value form 17:00:09 blumbri [~blumbri@c-67-181-176-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:00:29 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.212.106] has joined #lisp 17:00:42 noname [~textual@c-67-171-131-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:00:47 superflit [~superflit@71-33-159-240.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:01:08 frhodes [~frhodes@168-103-96-233.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:01:09 -!- noname is now known as Guest54162 17:01:15 Kryztof: psetf, I guess. 17:01:45 -!- Guest54162 is now known as na[ii] 17:02:17 Kryztof: however, since right to left order matters, isn't it wrong to use the updated value? 17:02:23 :p left to right 17:03:07 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw51/CLHS/Body/05_aaa.htm point 2 17:03:12 incf then. 17:04:08 (let ((x 0)) (incf x (progn (incf x) 1))) 17:04:15 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:29 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:29 yes? There's no ldb in that. 17:05:20 -!- trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:05:53 acelent: hm, you may be right 17:06:34 the (car x) in the first form should be evaluated before the (setf (car x) 17) according to 5.1.1.1 17:07:07 it's a place here, though. 17:07:26 (let ((x 42)) (incf (ldb (byte 2 0) x) (setf x 1))) 17:07:59 oh, hm, yes 17:08:07 Ok my brain is too tired for this 17:08:44 Woohoo. My Google Spreadsheet library can now save cell content :-) 17:09:13 -!- scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:10:16 -!- akovalenko [~user@95.72.45.26] has quit [Quit: will be back after emacs-snapshot upgrade] 17:11:05 pkhuong: in order of evaluation, i'd guess that would take the current ldb of x, use 1 to increment, with the side effect of altering x to 1, then setting the ldb of x to 1 more than it was before, so the result would be 3, right? 17:11:13 pkhuong: i think you've shown the point :) 17:11:19 pkhuong: thanks 17:11:48 hm, wait, isn't that the same i'm talking about? 17:12:06 scrimohsin [~cmsimon@c-98-246-47-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:12:06 -!- scrimohsin [~cmsimon@c-98-246-47-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:12:06 scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has joined #lisp 17:12:18 if it'd use ldb of 1 as the source to increment, that'd go against the expected order of evaluation 17:12:56 so in fact, the ldb sample is wrong (at least in my thought line) 17:13:36 acelent: your way would base the dpb on 42, which, to me, is obviously wrong. 17:14:50 pkhuong: right 17:14:57 so mine is wrong :) 17:16:11 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:16:40 should the same happen in (let ((x 0)) (incf x (progn (incf x) 1))) ? i mean, is it expected to return 1 or 2? 17:17:04 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 17:18:20 -!- sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:18:33 all implementations i've tried return 2 because they evaluate x after the increment form, they probably call the access-form after. is this right? 17:18:35 probably 1. But not 43. 17:18:42 zmv [~daniel@c953332e.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 17:18:43 pkhuong: lol 17:19:14 s/probably call/must be calling/ 17:19:51 -!- ChibaPet [~mason@38.104.6.150] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:19:59 it's a place, not a value, and incf/setf are macros. The evaluation order rules are different. 17:20:52 sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 17:22:12 urandom__ [~user@p548A2736.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:22:15 pkhuong: you're right, i should have read 5.1.3 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw51/CLHS/Body/05_ac.htm 17:22:57 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 17:23:14 it still seems strange to not read right after evaluating the subforms 17:23:21 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@wbs-196-2-122-110.wbs.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:24:13 MeanWeen [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:24:48 well, at least it makes ldb not be an exception to this 17:25:05 i think 17:26:33 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:26:37 -!- gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:26:39 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 17:27:06 zmv_ 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18:36:55 i wouldn't really think much about it since the example is contrived 18:37:03 so the accessor form *of a place setf* must really be evaluated after to have essentially the same effects *of an object setf* 18:37:53 stassats: i know, but the contrived examples tend to happen not in human generated code, but in automatically generated code 18:38:06 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:38:24 kami` [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has joined #lisp 18:38:53 -!- markskil1eck [~mark@host86-143-14-30.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:38:56 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 18:39:16 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@freiksenet.com] has quit [Quit: karakulyaa] 18:39:21 -!- sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:39:27 freiksenet [~freiksene@freiksenet.com] has joined #lisp 18:39:38 -!- ramusara 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#lisp 19:04:51 Xach: I have reviewed the "Important Legal Notices" section of the clhs at http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Front/Help.htm . According to my layman's interpretation, there's nothing preventing quicklisp-slime-helper from downloading and installing offline clhs. (Of course you might want to contact LispWorks to ensure everything's 100% OK for them.) 19:04:57 It might be necessary to display some LispWorks legal/acknowledgement stuff during installation and prompt something like "Do you want to download the offline HyperSpec from LispWorks (ftp://ftp.lispworks.com/pub/software_tools/reference/HyperSpec-7-0.tar.gz) ? This would allow you to jump to a symbol's specification with C-c C-d h.", but not a show-stopper. 19:05:03 It would be really nice to be able to tell newbies: "If you got Slime via quicklisp-slime-helper (which you probably did or really should), then everything is setup so that C-c C-d h will let you jump to the definition of an arbitrary symbol in the Common Lisp specification, locally." 19:06:22 that would be nice 19:06:33 for anyone, forget about newbies! 19:07:32 *Xach* has not ever used the hyperspec like that 19:08:11 very useful for offline use 19:08:22 *antifuchs* writes up his recent NFS adventure for asdf-devel 19:08:53 sudo aptitude install hyperspec also works, not quite as handy 19:09:13 -!- jdz [~jdz@host122-90-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Byebye.] 19:10:29 Xach: I don't understand. You mean you don't use an offline copy? You always hit lispworks.com?... I thought using an offline copy was an extremely "standard" setup, as it's explained prominently in the Slime documentation, IIRC... 19:11:28 lolsuper_ [~super_@pool-173-65-194-148.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:11:28 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@pool-173-65-194-148.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:11:28 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 19:11:51 stassats: I assumed all old-timers had done the one-time setup long ago, which is why I'm thinking more specifically about newbies... 19:12:06 Hexstream: I use l1sp.org or "clhs foo" as a "smart" bookmark in my browser to bounce through xach.com/clhs 19:12:32 I don't know what other people do. 19:13:08 same here- but for offline, a local hyperspec is still best (: 19:13:11 I copied sykopomp and use `:t l1sp save-lisp-and-die` in pentadactyl (fka vimperator) 19:13:29 Xach: Ah, right, I used to use "clhs foo" in Firefox all the time, until some Delicious update screwed up that functionality or something, since that time I use C-c C-d h exclusively... 19:13:35 which is kind of or the same as a "smart" bookmark 19:15:12 Plus you don't have to leave emacs to do it. 19:15:55 Hexstream: old-timers sometimes have new computers 19:16:31 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:16:35 though i'm still not using quicklisp (because i like bleeding edge from VCS) 19:16:41 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:16:53 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 19:17:10 i'd be happy if Xach wrote implementations of all VCSs in lisp and integrated it into quicklisp 19:17:15 stassats: Right, true, my "I've always used only one computer and always the same one for the past 8 years" bias is showing through ;) 19:17:38 -!- sonnym1 [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:17:44 I'd be happy if anyone reimplemented just git in Lisp. 19:18:00 oudeis_ [~oudeis@bzq-84-111-74-75.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 19:18:20 Hexstream: yeah, though it's "the same home directory" for me 19:18:42 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-84-111-74-75.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:19:00 You can use bleeding edge from VCS and Quicklisp together, friend! 19:20:43 sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 19:21:53 https://github.com/billstclair/cl-autorepo seems like an interesting way to do it, too 19:22:55 -!- Ralith [~ralith@d142-058-092-127.wireless.sfu.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:24:06 Xach: i can, but i have to install every VCS known to mankind 19:24:23 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:24:32 true :( 19:25:58 there's not THAT many 19:26:28 well, it's easy on debian, not so on windows 19:27:56 If I had the bandwidth, it wouldn't be too hard to provide a $VCS->HTTP gateway 19:28:23 Quicklisp is a kind of VCS->HTTP gateway. 19:28:31 Very one-way, though. 19:29:02 that's only half good, i want to peruse the history and send patches easily 19:29:09 c0mrade_ [~c0mrade@94.187.20.115] has joined #lisp 19:29:16 WriteLn.Console("Hello"); 19:29:17 How can implement a 6-stage pipeline? Hardwired logical circuitry/gates or assembly/microcode? 19:29:59 what has lisp got to do with it? 19:30:32 A lot. 19:30:59 then use this thing called "programming" 19:31:47 c0mrade_: the 2nd answer is "yes" 19:32:02 But I would use HDL or Verilog (a Hardware Discription Language). I couldn't write code into a microchip with a HLL. 19:32:18 yes you can. Have the HLL create the HDL/verilog 19:32:27 -!- oudeis_ [~oudeis@bzq-84-111-74-75.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:32:35 directly from HLL statements/dsls 19:32:59 FPGA chips for instance wouldn't accept that. 19:32:59 c0mrade_: what's the lisp connection? 19:33:10 c0mrade_: yes they would 19:33:20 A special port on the motherboard for LISP interconnectivity. 19:33:22 because the HLL creates that which the chips/dev environment want 19:33:32 :P 19:33:41 -!- Kajtek [~nope@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:34:00 c0mrade_: What kind of Lisp? 19:34:12 The classical one. 19:34:12 lisp doesn't have a standard for interconnectivity; what sort of protocol are you talking about? 19:34:23 Serial connection. 19:34:27 c0mrade_: this channel is for Common Lisp, not lisp in the abstract. 19:34:49 i like folk lisp, for the commons 19:34:52 raw lisp repl-style text over that serial connection? 19:35:00 Heh. 19:35:06 Okay sorry for trolling. 19:35:10 I was messing around. 19:35:18 I don't even have a single tiny idea of what LISP is. 19:35:27 Really! 19:35:34 yeah, it's a pretty poor troll, because that which you bring up is quite feasible 19:35:45 I know. 19:36:01 Since the answer to my question was? "How is it related to LISP?" 19:36:15 I instantly knew I will be losing time asking this. 19:36:19 So I thought about trolling. 19:36:28 You can stop now. 19:36:55 I don't know. 19:37:10 oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-79-177-219-13.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 19:37:19 -!- ignas [~ignas@user-46-112-187-66.play-internet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:37:21 There's a hardware interrupt preventing. 19:38:57 First you make stage 1. Repeat until you have six stages. Then connect the outputs from every previous stage to the inputs to the succeeding stages. 19:39:04 -!- replore [~replore@ntkngw304073.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:39:36 -!- spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Quit: spacefrogg] 19:40:36 -!- zmv [~daniel@c953332e.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:41:14 Awesome. 19:41:21 I have an answer. 19:41:24 I think it's a miracle. 19:42:33 zmv [~daniel@c953332e.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 19:43:23 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 19:44:06 antgreen [~user@204.239.250.1] has joined #lisp 19:45:31 stassats: how would you send patches back without installing every vcs, anyway? 19:45:55 with the new common lisp uber-vcs he's going to write 19:46:02 stassats: Have you taken a peek at http://github.com/brown/slurp 19:46:02 Xach: by writing them (VCS) in lisp, of course 19:46:22 oh, you'll write them? phew 19:46:24 although, having a history and being able to diff would do as well 19:46:44 Xach: no! i was hoping you will write them! 19:46:50 You have to install git, svn, hg, etc. but there's a little bit of code in slurp to update your checked out repositories .... 19:47:13 -!- zmv [~daniel@c953332e.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:47:15 reb`: i can do that myself alright 19:47:28 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47:28 -!- sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:31 zmv [~daniel@c953332e.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 19:47:42 -!- ZabaQ [~john.conn@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:47:54 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 19:48:30 stassats: With hundreds of repositories of different types, I find it's easier to drive the process with code .... 19:48:43 well, i refer to my code as "myself" 19:48:52 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.212.106] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 19:48:52 i use https://github.com/stassats/lisp-config/blob/master/bin/sc 19:49:15 HG` [~HG@p579F740B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:50:30 sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 19:52:17 Is there a database of repositories somewhere in lisp-config? 19:52:32 https://github.com/stassats/lisp-config/blob/master/bin/data 19:53:35 https://github.com/quicklisp/quicklisp-projects has lots of repo data. 19:54:33 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:54:51 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-89-130.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:55:01 Thanks! I'll add to https://github.com/brown/slurp/blob/master/slurp.lisp 19:55:21 ... and feel free to grab repository info from that file for your own use. 19:55:49 *Xach* wonders how best to compare the two for differences 19:56:15 write a program! 19:56:25 It's all data. 19:57:01 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 19:59:02 My list has about 850 entries, so there's bound to be a ton of overlap. 19:59:16 Kajtek [~nope@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has joined #lisp 19:59:47 my list has 184 entries, you win 20:00:17 deke [~deke@fl-71-54-189-181.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 20:01:19 I'm just a compulsive hoarder. 20:06:05 MeanWeen [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:07:07 -!- zmv [~daniel@c953332e.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:07:32 markskil1eck [~chris@host86-141-74-189.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 20:08:57 zmv [~daniel@c953332e.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 20:09:00 -!- antgreen [~user@204.239.250.1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:09:46 -!- Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:13:46 -!- cheezus [~Adium@76-10-183-155.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14:08 cheezus [~Adium@76-10-183-155.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 20:16:47 -!- deke [~deke@fl-71-54-189-181.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:17:17 sea4ever [~daniel@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has joined #lisp 20:17:17 -!- sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:17:47 Hi all. Does anyone have any suggestions for a small but somewhat full-featured ANSI compliant lisp interpreter? (Common Lisp) 20:17:55 deke [~deke@fl-71-54-189-181.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 20:18:03 Small because I'd like to port it to one new architecture I have. 20:18:32 I've developed my own interpreter, but I'm having a few issues with garbage collection and I think that it would be faster to port an existing project than to reinvent the whole thing. 20:18:57 what architecture ? 20:19:10 sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 20:19:24 It's a little microprocessor I've made. It doesn't really have a name but it's a Von neumann architecture 20:19:39 sea4ever: well, clisp might be doable 20:19:46 I've been looking at clisp yes. 20:19:49 gcentauri [~gcentauri@76-85-193-191.cable.inebraska.com] has joined #lisp 20:19:52 sea4ever: ecl as well. 20:20:04 I just can't figure out how to work on porting clisp. There's no document on it. 20:20:18 start by porting gcc 20:20:19 you could also just hijack SBCL by providing VOPs that generate your bytecode, I guess 20:20:38 ECL will need just any ANSI C compiler 20:20:47 markskil2eck [~mark@host81-132-125-16.range81-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 20:20:53 p_l|backup: are you sure ? 20:20:59 fe[nl]ix: Well, I've got a cross compiler and I've tried making the clisp build process use that, but I end up with the error of: "can not run compiled executables" or something similar. 20:21:00 any ansi compiler ? 20:21:18 Any ANSI C compiler works, p_l|backup? Hmm, I think I'll look at ECL. 20:21:34 sea4ever: probably clisp's autoconf scripts don't support cross-compilation 20:21:35 fe[nl]ix: I successfully used it MSVC 20:21:47 sea4ever: at least ECL is not gcc-only 20:22:04 I wouldn't be surprised, autoconf can do cross-compiling but it's tricky 20:22:07 -!- markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:22:08 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:22:14 fe[nl]ix: and it's probably one of the few compilers out there that *don't* strive for GCC compatibility 20:22:28 and is still supported 20:22:30 p_l|backup: yes, the author specialized the code for gcc and msvc with many ifdefs 20:22:47 try using tcc or icc 20:22:58 If I get ECL to work then that would be great, I'd have my project half finished. 20:23:20 fe[nl]ix: still, it supposedly should work with little change. TCC afaik has issues with a lot of stuff, ICC has GCC compat mode 20:23:25 -!- markskil1eck [~chris@host86-141-74-189.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:23:44 sea4ever: How much RAM does your hardware have/address? 20:24:26 good question 20:25:42 Hmm, it can address 32MiB 20:26:09 Actually 32MiB is what it actually has. 20:26:13 It can address quite a bit more. 20:26:51 Is ECL resource hungry? 20:27:38 -!- rwiker_ [~rwiker@187.80-202-32.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:27:45 not really, but its GC isn't too good. Frankly speaking, your best bet might be implementing some primitives then stealing code from SBCL till you assemble something passing ANSI test suite ;) 20:28:02 -!- kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has left #lisp 20:29:16 I've got a working lisp interpreter right now. It doesn't do macros, but it does everything else. I've got my own 'standard library' but I can borrow code from anywhere, as long as it does not have macros. 20:29:17 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:29:36 My GC is a little bit iffy though. I suspect that it simply does not work. 20:29:38 fitting a CL in 32MB is really hard 20:30:37 Maybe it might be better to use my tiny interpreter then? It's already ported so that part of the work is done.. 20:30:44 Bah. MCL 2.01 runs on my 4MB Macintosh SE and includes an IDE. 20:33:10 -!- deke [~deke@fl-71-54-189-181.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:33:14 sea4ever: if you do a high-level-enough interpreter, I suspect it could be easy to port SBCL's compiler to generate the bytecode for it 20:33:18 -!- holycopralite [~ray.still@12.104.144.2] has left #lisp 20:33:47 then some system support and you could probably get a big amount of CL ported quite fast 20:33:51 deke [~deke@fl-71-54-189-181.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 20:34:22 clisp runs easily in 32mb 20:35:26 oudeis_ [~oudeis@bzq-79-177-219-13.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 20:35:35 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-79-177-219-13.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:36:06 So I'll look at ECL and if that does not work out I'll implement macros and fix my GC, then I'll grab someone's standard library and I'll have my interpreter. 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too (: 21:58:23 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-89-130.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:58:32 this doesn't work nearly well enough with reverse smileys 21:59:03 #|:-|# 21:59:45 (#'s are for beard and hair) 21:59:45 so pokerfaced dude with massive eyebrows, a mop of hair and a neckbeard? (: 21:59:51 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:00:21 -!- zmv_ is now known as zmv 22:00:36 sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-69.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:01:46 ..and it's easy to add support for more hairy smileys with reader macros #[:-) 22:02:12 (-: 22:02:55 antifuchs: where did you pick up your penchant for reverse polarity smileys? 22:04:34 ..hairy smileys 22:04:38 when I was typing on my (straight column-aligned) kinesis keyboard (: 22:05:11 way easier to type opening parenthesis with the ring finger then colon/semicolon 22:05:37 hah 22:06:07 -!- c0mrade_ [~c0mrade@94.187.1.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:06:11 anyway - that's why it stuck. I started doing it as a joke, then realized it's easier (: 22:07:43 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:10:01 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:10:06 c0mrade_ [~c0mrade@94.187.43.63] has joined #lisp 22:11:03 -!- dlowe [dlowe@nat/google/x-bpjddqnulefealuj] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:11:19 -!- Guest49767 [~xani@62.152.159.147.dsl.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:13:14 -!- tsuru` [~user@c-68-53-57-241.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:14 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 22:16:26 -!- dl [~download@chpcwl01.hpc.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:18:05 stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 22:21:18 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@189.102.176.125] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:21:27 -!- SpringheeledJake [~Spring-he@93.sub-75-202-219.myvzw.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:01 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:29:55 hi 22:30:17 in lisp everything is supposed to be a list right? 22:30:27 topo shut up 22:30:40 so is there any way of changing the order of list? 22:30:56 topo: there is a way, and no, not everything is supposed to be a list. 22:31:52 c0mrade___ [~c0mrade@178.135.6.76] has joined #lisp 22:31:59 for example in this function: 22:32:07 can i paste 3 lines of code here? 22:32:11 (please use paste.lisp.org) 22:32:14 ok 22:32:16 -!- c0mrade_ [~c0mrade@94.187.43.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:34:11 -!- c0mrade___ [~c0mrade@178.135.6.76] has quit [Client Quit] 22:34:42 c0mrade__ [~c0mrade@178.135.6.76] has joined #lisp 22:35:00 check 22:35:02 http://paste.lisp.org/display/124793 22:35:13 -!- c0mrade__ [~c0mrade@178.135.6.76] has quit [Client Quit] 22:35:32 some sort of random sorting 22:35:59 c0mrade__ [~c0mrade@178.135.6.76] has joined #lisp 22:36:28 i have a function that contains 3 functions in a specific order 22:36:52 -!- c0mrade__ [~c0mrade@178.135.6.76] has quit [Client Quit] 22:36:53 is there is a mechanism for changing the order of those 3 functions inside my function 22:37:29 topo: how is going through PCL working out for you? 22:37:50 whats PCL? 22:37:53 im using sbcl 22:37:57 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 22:38:46 c0mrade__ [~c0mrade@178.135.13.35] has joined #lisp 22:38:54 topo: http://gigamonkeys.com/book 22:39:01 -!- c0mrade__ [~c0mrade@178.135.13.35] has quit [Client Quit] 22:39:02 topo: PCL is what you should be reading, instead of typing. 22:39:14 c0mrade__ [~c0mrade@178.135.13.35] has joined #lisp 22:39:22 you could take a look at http://paste.lisp.org/+2OAH/1 and see if that makes sense (: 22:40:26 -!- c0mrade__ [~c0mrade@178.135.13.35] has quit [Client Quit] 22:40:32 (it uses the fact that closures are objects like anything else, not the fact that code is represented at lists on the syntax level) 22:40:41 c0mrade__ [~c0mrade@178.135.13.35] has joined #lisp 22:44:23 -!- c0mrade__ is now known as c0mrade_ 22:44:42 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-144-92.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:44:45 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-144-92.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:45:54 housel [~user@ip70-187-191-250.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:46:59 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:49:08 -!- deke [~deke@fl-71-54-189-181.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:50:07 deke [~deke@fl-71-54-189-181.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 22:50:15 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.141.205] has joined #lisp 22:53:43 peterhil` [~peterhil@YYMKL.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 22:54:35 bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 22:54:41 i get error : the variable list is unbound 22:54:52 -!- c0mrade_ [~c0mrade@178.135.13.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:57:19 -!- cheezus1 [~Adium@76-10-183-155.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:59:46 c0mrade_ [~c0mrade@77.42.175.15] has joined #lisp 23:00:00 -!- Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:00:18 -!- oudeis__ [~oudeis@109.65.203.102] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:02:09 -!- drdo [~drdo@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02:47 -!- holycopralite [~ray.still@12.104.144.2] has left #lisp 23:03:39 topo___: Well, look through and see where an unbound variable called "list" is used. 23:03:41 -!- hugod [~hugod@70.24.176.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:03:43 -!- deke [~deke@fl-71-54-189-181.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:04:16 i found it 23:04:31 how can i boynd an unbound variable? 23:04:39 :D 23:04:58 -!- nicdev [~nicdev@c-98-217-188-86.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: nicdev] 23:05:46 topo___: let unless it's special in which case defparameter 23:05:48 topo___: antifuchs forgot what the variable was called, is all, it should be a pretty simple fix 23:05:54 topo___: Read PCL. 23:06:05 holycopralite1 [~ray.still@12.104.144.2] has joined #lisp 23:06:56 bike is right. the (sort list ) form should be (sort operations ). 23:07:00 also, read PCL (: 23:07:10 sort operations 23:07:13 oh 23:07:26 (this is only a taste of what you can do with lisp when you really understand it) 23:08:25 people here seem to have a lot of love for PCL 23:08:42 hugod [~hugod@70.24.176.31] has joined #lisp 23:09:19 it's pretty nice. also, the author is here and answers questions 23:09:49 and it's free, so that's a pretty big barrier down for beginners 23:10:10 -!- Bike [~Glossina@69.166.35.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:10:42 yes it worked now 23:10:44 nice one 23:11:05 Pretty incredible that Linux + Emacs + SBCL + SLIME + CLHS + PCL is all completely free. 23:11:15 thanks 23:11:53 Bike [~Glossina@69.166.35.238] has joined #lisp 23:12:03 and Quicklisp Gold is only $4.99/month 23:12:10 Quicklisp blows 23:12:24 Yes, I should've included that, too. 23:12:46 Xach: you've got a subscription QL now? 23:13:00 yes 23:13:24 _danb_ [~user@203.38.189.126] has joined #lisp 23:13:47 Xach is like a drug dealer. 23:13:57 dealing dangerous lisp candy 23:14:11 topo___: http://paste.lisp.org/+2OAH/3 23:15:01 wow 23:15:14 akovalenko: which are the benefits in using macros for this? 23:15:15 topo___: my variant conses less, but generates O(n!) code for n forms 23:15:36 you mean your version is slower? 23:15:52 for three forms it should be faster 23:16:05 _significantly_ :) 23:16:13 but I've not measured yet. 23:16:29 and for big forms ? 23:16:48 for something like 10 forms it probably won't compile 23:16:58 why not? 23:16:59 :O 23:17:54 it generates every possible permutation, it seems. 23:18:29 yep. there will be 3628800 cases for 10 forms 23:18:54 Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:19:02 someone other's macro with fisher-yates wins in this case 23:19:15 *Bike's 23:19:29 cases? you posibilities? 23:19:37 deke [~deke@fl-71-54-189-181.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 23:19:48 you mean posibilities? 23:19:55 topo___: yep. 23:20:15 so more possibilities the more inneficcency with macros? 23:20:17 topo___: You should probably follow people's advice and read PCL. You'll understand enough to not have to ask these questions. 23:20:23 ok 23:21:07 i like dont understanding anything 23:22:44 -!- frhodes [~frhodes@168-103-96-233.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:23:06 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:24:18 -!- scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:25:27 -!- topo is now known as topobot 23:26:06 frhodes [~frhodes@168-103-96-233.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:28:43 -!- pavelludiq [~pavelludi@87.246.58.193] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28:47 -!- StrmSrfr [~user@208.72.159.205] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:28:53 StrmSrfr [~user@208.72.159.205] has joined #lisp 23:29:27 -!- altsrid [~altsrid@remote.activestate.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:30:37 -!- deke [~deke@fl-71-54-189-181.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:30:58 deke [~deke@fl-71-54-189-181.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 23:32:27 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 23:34:21 marsell_ [~marsell@120.20.90.103] has joined #lisp 23:34:28 -!- Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:34:57 Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:36:47 -!- marsell [~marsell@120.22.104.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:36:48 -!- marsell_ is now known as marsell 23:43:38 Vivitron [~user@pool-108-7-56-243.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:44:24 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:45:57 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:52:59 -!- c0mrade_ [~c0mrade@77.42.175.15] has quit [] 23:58:07 MeanWeen [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-179.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:58:37 -!- holycopralite1 [~ray.still@12.104.144.2] has left #lisp