00:00:38 ha ha, I got the style warning from loading cffi-fsbv itself! 00:01:28 *LiamH* fixes definition of prep-cif 00:01:31 oh, yeah, loading cffi-tests results in 100+ style warnings 00:02:04 All of a sudden, CFFI has declared itself to be unstylish. 00:04:02 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:05:52 -!- tetsu [~halliburt@pool-173-78-27-149.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:07:26 LiamH: I should go. Anything I can help you with before I go to bed? 00:07:56 luis: No, good night. I'm about to eat, then I'll try to get this working for a simple case. 00:08:18 Thanks for the parser updates. 00:09:02 zardoz8 [~redmundia@84.122.73.141.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 00:09:25 -!- gonzojive [~gonzojive@178-83-238-199.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:09:51 I'll let you know what I come up with. 00:09:52 hello. are there any usable portable GUI frameworks? linux/win. I'm looking at common qt right now. does anyone has experience with it on both platforms? or with some other library 00:10:02 have* 00:10:36 -!- pavelludiq [~pavelludi@87.246.58.193] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:27 zardoz8: CAPI 00:15:51 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-161-45.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:17:37 CAPI seems to be the king, so far 00:20:39 Lispworks library? 00:21:40 it's my hobby project so I can't afford lispworks 00:23:32 -!- optikalmouse [~user@bas1-toronto07-1176122586.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:26:13 zardoz8: what does your project do? 00:27:24 georgikeith [georgekeit@nat/google/x-kzgrkypklsenfiqf] has joined #lisp 00:28:04 jpop [~jpop@93.159.82.44] has joined #lisp 00:28:13 hi 00:29:55 can someone remind me i cant recall, how can i have a slot thats shared by all the instances? 00:31:31 -!- Kajtek [~nope@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:31:39 :allocation :class 00:31:40 :allocation :class 00:31:51 Kajtek [~nope@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has joined #lisp 00:31:56 There seems to be a concensus. 00:31:57 -!- Kajtek [~nope@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:32:09 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.156.77] has joined #lisp 00:32:51 thanks. and how do i access it by class name? 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02:26:43 Always. 02:26:52 tempire: have you read the installation instructions? 02:26:58 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-1-147.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:27:14 yesmaybe I misunderstood something. 02:27:41 http://www.quicklisp.org/beta/ 02:27:49 "To get started with the Quicklisp beta, download and load http://beta.quicklisp.org/quicklisp.lisp." 02:28:05 There's nothing else to it. 02:30:43 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.156.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:31:21 pjb: the software that generates the archives and indexes is not public 02:32:01 Oh, right. 02:32:31 How is it called? 02:33:18 yeah, that's what I'm referring to. was looking through quicklisp/{software,installed} to make sure I knew what I was talking about first. 02:35:05 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-105-65.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:38:50 I'm not quite sure how it works. I suspect wherever defpackage :ql is, it's only compiled. 02:39:02 but my lisp-foo is weak. I may be missing something. 02:40:07 -!- zardoz8 [~redmundia@84.122.73.141.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #lisp 02:41:26 tempire: seriously? 02:41:34 quicklisp/quicklisp/package.lisp 02:42:05 Xach: any particular reason the admin stuff is private? 02:42:21 arg. my bad. I was looking at the wrong directory level. 02:42:25 It's written in perl. 02:42:46 oh dear 02:43:22 http://xkcd.com/224/ 02:43:57 -!- SpringheeledJake [~Spring-he@74.sub-75-204-48.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:44:02 SpringheeledJake [~Spring-he@74.sub-75-204-48.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 02:44:15 tempire: pjb Ralith ^ :) 02:44:26 Perl's metacpan directory is written in python served by app engine. 02:44:29 it happens. 02:44:31 I know what that is without even clicking the link :P 02:45:12 at any rate, I vote for opening it up 02:45:26 I'd like to have my own repository 02:45:34 *tempire* votes 02:46:36 pjb: where you serious, or joking? 02:46:56 tempire: it's not, check https://github.com/CPAN-API/metacpan-web 02:47:16 tempire: give that the sources are not public, that's the only conclusion I can reach. 02:48:11 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 02:48:41 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.163.150] has joined #lisp 02:48:43 nuba: that's the web interface. not the source of information. https://github.com/miyagawa/cpanmetadb 02:48:55 *nuba* checking.. 02:49:20 though that app engine may just be a proxy 02:49:25 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:49:46 -!- SpringheeledJake [~Spring-he@74.sub-75-204-48.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:49:59 I'm not 100% on that. Either way, it doesn't matter. The comment was based on pjb's comment not being a joke. 02:50:25 SpringheeledJake [~Spring-he@108.sub-75-203-25.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 02:50:32 tempire: how would I know, since I'm not the author, and the source is closed? 02:50:44 kdas_ [~kdas@114.143.165.209] has joined #lisp 02:50:50 I thought maybe you had some insider's info. 02:50:54 Ralith: I want to write a new version. 02:51:06 pjb: how would *we* know that you're not the author or somehow involved? :P 02:51:29 Because it's Xach's baby. He gets flower from strangers in the streets for it. 02:51:33 -!- blacktooth [~blacktoot@pi.nipl.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:51:44 *tempire* gives Xach a flower 02:51:52 pjb: we thought perhaps you read his standardization document 02:52:18 *nuba* not feeling flowerly-powerly today.. :/ 02:52:35 -!- neena [~neena@pi.nipl.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:52:40 neena [~neena@pi.nipl.net] has joined #lisp 02:52:51 altsrid [~altsrid@S010678ca39ff0146.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 02:52:51 tempire: I recall Xach mentioning multiple dists in the future. Meanwhile, making one without Xach's tools is probably not so hard. 02:53:28 understood. 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quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:57:36 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has joined #lisp 04:57:37 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:57:49 goodevening/morning everyone 04:57:58 gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has joined #lisp 04:58:13 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:58:13 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:58:46 gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has joined #lisp 05:00:38 your too 05:01:35 quick question if you will... I have recently found emacs and fallen in love. I'm no programmer but I am familiar with web scripting etc. I'm currently working through "little schemer", which I think is brilliant btw, and I wondered if its possible we will see Lisp used for web applications/development? or do people use it with success now? 05:03:32 techquila: yes of course you can 05:03:49 insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-76-109.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 05:03:49 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-76-109.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Changing host] 05:03:49 insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has joined #lisp 05:04:39 -!- rme [rme@45CC2C80.80B03224.699BA7A6.IP] has quit [Quit: rme] 05:04:39 -!- rme [~rme@50.43.135.89] has quit [Quit: rme] 05:04:40 techquila: If you're referring to Common Lisp, there are some great libraries for web programming (cl-http, hunchentoot, etc). If you're talking about Scheme, then the same is true, especially with (in my experience) Racket and Chicken Scheme 05:08:16 techquila: and if you want to write you web application in emacs lisp, the same exists for emacs too: http://elserv.sourceforge.net/ 05:08:20 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 05:11:36 altsrid [~altsrid@S010678ca39ff0146.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 05:11:37 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:11:57 gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has joined #lisp 05:12:58 wow cool! I'll have to check them out. as i say i've only recently found emacs... had quite a huge learning curve over the past couple of years, moving to a completely open-source environment, teaching myself drupal cms, and now emacs and lisp. I have a new project i'm conceptualising at the moment and I'm wondering now whether I should just drop drupal altogether, save myself more time and focus on Lisp. I think now I have 05:12:58 my answer 05:13:04 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has joined #lisp 05:13:27 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-113-90.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:13:39 For a serious web app, I would definitely write it in Common Lisp. 05:14:28 thanks pjb. I think that's the route I'll head down 05:14:43 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.200.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:14:43 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 05:15:08 nicdev [~nicdev@c-98-217-188-86.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:18:48 -!- altsrid [~altsrid@S010678ca39ff0146.vn.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 05:24:29 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 05:24:30 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:24:50 gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has joined #lisp 05:27:02 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 05:28:14 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.135.186] has joined #lisp 05:28:55 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:33:59 refactoring shmefactorign... My new code is elegant and understandable but 4 times slower then ugly old one 05:34:54 techquila: good luck! I've recently started the same myself, and have found it rewarding. 05:35:52 Ralith: thank you. its funny i've never been interested in programming until finding Lisp 05:36:04 techquila: start with quicklisp, hunchenhoot? toot? I'm always mixing it up 05:36:13 its a pretty descent web server 05:36:31 maxm-: who cares about performance anyway 05:37:23 techquila: Lisp can have that effect, as it does away with a lot of the drudgery 05:37:38 stassats`: you fund hunchentoot's performance unsatisfactory? 05:37:40 find 05:37:44 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.135.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:37:53 stassats`: well I'm doing numerical stuff, so its kind of critical.. But I actually did the refactoring to make code much cleaner in order to prepare for massive caching rework, (basically memoizing a lot more then I did before), so hopefuly I'll gain that 4x slowdown back and then some 05:37:55 maxm: thank you I'll have a squizz now 05:38:18 Ralith: you got the wrong context 05:38:36 stassats`: now I'm confused. 05:38:57 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-165-188.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:39:00 I have 200 gig of tick data to run evolutionary algorithm on, so efficient number crunching is kind of critical 05:41:27 -!- zorun [~zorun@lns-bzn-51f-62-147-192-231.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:41:27 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:41:56 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.111.33] has joined #lisp 05:41:57 gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has joined #lisp 05:42:03 . o O ( http://xahlee.org/sex/blog.html ??? ) 05:42:54 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:43:19 but its static data, so using memoization techniques should produce order of magnitude speedups.. Just need to make sure its correct, so writing tons of tests now 05:44:33 insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-115-204.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 05:44:33 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-115-204.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Changing host] 05:44:33 insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has joined #lisp 05:45:39 stassats`: clarify? 05:46:01 Ralith: we are not talking about hunchentoot 05:46:12 he was referring to my comment about "i refactored my code, and now its slower" 05:46:17 oh, thanks. 05:46:49 on irc ppl often respond to staff someone said 10 minutes before, so you have to be careful to follow conversations, as there can be several going at the same time 05:47:19 (insert smartypants observation to how it teaches you to think about concurrency) 05:47:32 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-113-90.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:47:36 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-113-90.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:49:03 maxm-: is your trading code single-threaded? 05:49:08 maxm-: the problem is when one person is holding multiple conversations simultaneously. 05:49:26 stassats`: for now that I'm developing and not running it yes, but it will be multi-threaded 05:50:19 my underlaying C++ lib has 1 object per "market world", and has a simulator that you attach to market data provider, (either real or simulated), and you can have unlimited instances of that 05:51:04 the tick by tick simulator does market depth and basically full L2 book simulation, and I adjusted parameters until it agrees with teh real execution on my provider.. 05:51:28 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@ool-44c7008f.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:52:20 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.135.186] has joined #lisp 05:52:33 ie when I submit simulated order, it sits in a queue for 1 second (simulating the latency to the broker, then gets into the L2 order book, and remembers how many orders were before it in the book, then from the tick stream simulator can fiugre out based on sale ticks, when it gets filled) 05:52:49 which is kind of slow, but very accurate 05:54:12 so I'm working on memoizing all of that aggressively, as my thinking is I can simply run simulation once, submitting orders with 10 pip spread every 0.5 seconds, and remember their execution time and price, and then use that in a "faster" version of the simulator, to be used in actual optimization 05:54:23 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-223-210.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:59:33 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:02:50 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 06:03:02 -!- realitygrill_ [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-113-90.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:03:07 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-113-90.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:03:52 *maxm-* sometimes wondering that if there is a real high-frequency quant in the channel, he probably laughing quietly at my efforts, but oh well. You never know until you try, and its a fun project to try to tackle 06:03:55 cfy [~cfy@218.75.27.172] has joined #lisp 06:03:55 -!- cfy [~cfy@218.75.27.172] has quit [Changing host] 06:03:55 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 06:06:50 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-35-223.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 06:07:43 insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-9-117.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 06:07:43 -!- insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-9-117.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Changing host] 06:07:43 insomnia1alt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has joined #lisp 06:09:13 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:09:23 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-113-90.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 06:09:26 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:10:01 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-113-90.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:10:05 gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has joined #lisp 06:10:09 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 06:10:49 hikoki [~topo@f053044145.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 06:10:52 hello 06:10:53 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:10:53 -!- insomnia1alt is now known as insomniaSalt 06:10:55 anybody here? 06:11:16 no 06:12:23 ? 06:12:29 indeed 06:12:38 hello, can i make a question? 06:12:49 you already did 06:13:02 stassats`: why are so rude? 06:14:43 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:14:47 <_3b> hikoki: the idea is that you should just ask a question, rather than worrying about whether anyone is here, or if you are allowed to ask questions 06:15:12 cfy [~cfy@218.75.27.172] has joined #lisp 06:15:12 -!- cfy [~cfy@218.75.27.172] has quit [Changing host] 06:15:12 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 06:16:06 ok 06:16:41 how can i install alexandria? 06:16:51 using quicklisp 06:16:59 i downloaded the sources, but where should i put the files? 06:17:17 manually installing things is so passe 06:17:30 hikoki: take a look at http://www.quicklisp.org/ 06:17:38 ok 06:17:48 but the problem is that is always looking here: 06:18:05 "/Users/hikoki/" 06:18:11 hikoki if you install quicklisp you download and install alexandria (and other libraries hosted by quicklisp) just by typing (ql:quickload "alexandria") 06:18:12 but i have the files here 06:18:15 cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.130] has joined #lisp 06:18:24 "/Users//hikoki/alexandria" 06:18:37 ok 06:18:41 im gonna try 06:18:48 but i use sbcl 06:19:13 quicklisp is another type of lisp? 06:19:13 yes, that's good 06:19:17 i use sbcl 06:19:59 <_3b> quicklisp is a tool for downloading and loading lisp libraries, you can use it with sbcl 06:20:15 oh ok 06:20:18 thanks im gonna try it 06:20:30 jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.2.125] has joined #lisp 06:21:59 ok i just downloaded, but where should i write this? 06:22:01 (ql:add-to-init-file) 06:22:23 in sbcl 06:22:34 in the REPL 06:22:43 ok 06:22:45 sbcl 06:25:34 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:25:35 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:25:57 gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has joined #lisp 06:26:11 cfy [~cfy@218.75.27.172] has joined #lisp 06:26:11 -!- cfy [~cfy@218.75.27.172] has quit [Changing host] 06:26:11 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 06:26:52 ok readya 06:26:54 ready 06:26:58 i installed quicklisp 06:27:01 and now? 06:27:13 (ql:quickload "alexandria") 06:27:59 :O 06:28:28 but it is looking in my root folder 06:29:12 "failed to find the TRUENAME of ~A" 06:29:12 #P"/Users//hikoki/package.lisp" 06:29:12 2) 06:29:32 and i have here /Users/member:hikoki/alexandria/package.lisp" 06:31:20 what is looking in your root folder? 06:31:43 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-35-223.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:32:08 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:33:09 cfy [~cfy@122.228.131.84] has joined #lisp 06:33:09 -!- cfy [~cfy@122.228.131.84] has quit [Changing host] 06:33:09 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 06:34:02 i need to put myself in the folder where alexandria is? 06:34:03 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.111.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:34:22 What are you trying to do? Did you quickload alexandria? 06:34:33 -!- holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:34:33 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-113-90.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:34:36 YES 06:34:43 you don't need to do anything, forget about the alexandria you downloaded manually 06:34:45 but i get errors 06:35:01 quicklisp will do everything for you 06:35:16 hikoki: errors when doing what? 06:37:38 oh it worked 06:38:30 does quicklisp have a way to unload a package? 06:38:46 no 06:39:30 does it works also for babel? 06:39:38 hikoki: it does 06:39:39 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:39:49 (ql:system-apropos "babel") 06:39:58 gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has joined #lisp 06:40:38 okay thanks stassats` 06:40:38 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:40:57 why not (ql:quickload "babel") in this case? 06:40:58 gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has joined #lisp 06:41:11 hikoki: yes, that's what you should do 06:41:32 i get this 06:41:33 * (ql:system-apropos "babel") 06:41:34 # 06:41:34 # 06:41:34 # 06:41:34 NIL 06:41:38 -!- waaaaargh [~waaaaargh@agsb-5d87e68e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:41:58 but when i do: (ql:quickload "babel") i get errors 06:42:05 system-apropos is a search. You can see what systems have "babel" in the name. 06:42:15 What errors? 06:42:27 this one 06:42:28 debugger invoked on a SB-INT:SIMPLE-FILE-ERROR: 06:42:28 failed to find the TRUENAME of /Users/topo/src/tf-sbcl.lisp: 06:42:28 No such file or directory 06:42:51 you messed up your asdf registry 06:43:01 whats that? 06:44:26 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-128-48.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 06:44:33 what can i do to make it work? 06:44:35 any idea? 06:45:12 what's in your ~/.sbclrc ? 06:45:53 DataLinkDKT [~DataLinkD@1.152.233.21] has joined #lisp 06:46:47 -!- DataLinkDKT [~DataLinkD@1.152.233.21] has quit [Client Quit] 06:47:24 i dont have that file 06:47:54 -!- scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:48:27 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.110.176] has joined #lisp 06:48:40 but i have .zshrc 06:48:42 and .emacs 06:49:22 that's irrelevant 06:50:01 wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-155-244.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 06:50:06 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-155-244.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 06:50:20 do you have ~/.config/common-lisp/ directory? 06:50:49 im on mac 06:50:58 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:50:58 that's not what i asked 06:51:02 i dont have /.config folder 06:51:37 ~/ not / 06:51:50 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-211-175.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:51:52 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 06:52:20 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-211-175.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:52:42 i dont have ~/.config folder 06:52:50 s/you messed/quicklisp messed/ :) 06:52:58 i have sbcl folder in ~/ 06:53:37 ? 06:54:12 waaaaargh [~waaaaargh@agsb-4d049102.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 06:56:15 do you have a quicklisp directory there? 06:56:26 there --- in ~ 06:56:26 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:58:05 insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-22-242.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 06:58:05 -!- insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-22-242.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Changing host] 06:58:05 insomnia1alt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has joined #lisp 06:59:47 yes 06:59:57 i have ~/quicklisp/ 07:01:23 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:01:23 -!- insomnia1alt is now known as insomniaSalt 07:02:54 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-89-130.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 07:03:44 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:05:44 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 07:05:57 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-213-57.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 07:07:01 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-38-158-245.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:07:40 insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has joined #lisp 07:10:48 superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 07:11:13 ? 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09:37:22 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:37:29 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: superjudge] 09:37:37 -!- MoALTz_ is now known as MoALTz 09:37:48 gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has joined #lisp 09:38:03 <|3b|> try printing the expansion with *print-circle* set 09:38:23 superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 09:38:24 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:38:30 leo2007: how do you know they are distinct? 09:38:48 gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has joined #lisp 09:39:12 ehu: I assume it. 09:39:30 <|3b|> the actual expansion probably has the same symbol, it is only when you print it and READ it back in that you get different symbols 09:39:39 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:39:58 leo2007: The assumption is probably wrong. What 3b says. 09:40:03 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 09:40:30 leo2007: when compiling the macroexpansion, the same symbol is used everywhere. 09:40:40 |3b|: ok, does that mean the expansion I see from slime using C-c C-m is not the real expansion? 09:40:58 <|3b|> it is, it just isn't printed to be READ by the lisp 09:41:09 leo2007: otoh, it's not hard to create multiple different uninterned symbols with the same name. 09:41:18 I see. 09:41:42 <|3b|> *print-circle* would make the shared structure more obvious 09:42:17 exactly. it'll show references to other values which are the same. 09:42:18 <|3b|> or you can just s/#:// if you want to evaluate the expansion by hand for debugging 09:42:48 <|3b|> (usually at least, as ehu said, there could be different uninterned symbols with the same name) 09:42:50 |3b|: I see no difference setting *print-circle* to t 09:42:52 try reading "(#:G1 #:G1)" from string: it returns 2 different symbols with the same name 09:43:12 <|3b|> hm,. slime might be overriding it 09:43:25 I see 09:43:26 but "(#'1=#:G1 #1#)" 09:43:35 returns two references to the same symbol 09:43:58 but "(#1=#:G1 #1#)" 09:44:00 <|3b|> yeah, looks like swank:*macroexpand-printer-bindings* 09:44:13 or print inside a let binding 09:44:26 swank:*swank-pprint-bindings* has (*PRINT-CIRCLE* . T) 09:44:30 already 09:44:30 (let ((*print-circle* t)) (print )) 09:46:29 <|3b|> (push (cons '*print-circle* t) SWANK:*MACROEXPAND-PRINTER-BINDINGS*) 09:47:03 <|3b|> and then C-c C-m should show shared structure 09:47:08 |3b|: I see the difference now. 09:47:38 -!- nicdev [~nicdev@c-98-217-188-86.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: nicdev] 09:47:47 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47:56 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has joined #lisp 09:49:32 Whitesquall [~notwhites@94.242.143.143] has joined #lisp 09:54:34 drdo [~drdo@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 09:54:34 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:55:05 gaidal [~gaidal@113.119.25.198] has joined #lisp 09:56:07 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-181-148.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 09:56:26 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 09:56:32 nha [~prefect@5-74.104-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 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18:11:20 -!- gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:13:01 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:13:25 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:13:27 Hello 18:13:30 whats QL? 18:13:49 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 18:14:12 quicklisp, probably 18:14:40 I get this: 18:14:40 package "QL" not found 18:15:21 You probably don't have quicklisp loading in your init file. 18:16:17 ZabaQ [~john.conn@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 18:18:50 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 18:19:39 ummm 18:19:43 and what does it means this? 18:19:44 "failed to find the TRUENAME of ~A" 18:19:45 #P"/Users/topo/src/tf-sbcl.lisp" 18:19:45 2) 18:20:28 What are you trying to do? What code are you running that results in this error? 18:20:38 ok 18:20:40 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 18:21:09 i want to program common lisp and opengl with emacs 18:21:26 so i installed sbcl 18:21:27 then slime 18:21:28 -!- d0tZ [~user@c-24-118-48-38.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:31 then cl-opengl 18:21:33 then cffi 18:21:56 then i need babel , alexandria and trivial-features for making cffi work 18:22:09 hikoki: that's what quicklisp handles for you. 18:22:14 yes 18:22:24 yesterday i came to this channel and somebody told me that 18:22:27 so i installed it 18:22:33 -!- benny [~benny@i577A71E4.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.1] 18:22:44 hikoki: cat ~/.sbclrc 18:23:10 cat: /Users/topo/.sbclrc: No such file or directory 18:23:26 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.135.186] has joined #lisp 18:23:51 so, you didn't install the quicklisp snippet in your init file, so it's not loading on startup. 18:23:53 maybe .zshrc? 18:23:56 im on mac 18:24:10 you installed quicklisp, correct? 18:24:15 yes 18:24:19 -!- ZabaQ [~john.conn@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:24:23 i think so 18:24:27 know im doubting 18:24:34 *now 18:24:39 hikoki: (load "~/quicklisp/setup.lisp") (ql:add-to-init-file) 18:24:43 benny [~benny@i577A2C0C.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 18:25:09 what does this does? (ql:add-to-init-file)? 18:25:28 I don't know. Maybe if you try it, you'll find out. 18:25:42 ok 18:26:00 hikoki: it adds some lines to you .sbclrc 18:26:15 i dont have that file 18:26:20 You will 18:26:29 :) 18:26:30 oh, it creates that file 18:26:30 ^ 18:26:33 i see 18:27:06 hikoki: does it work now? 18:27:19 hikoki: you will need to restart your lisp. 18:27:24 hikoki: The init file initialises your lisp. 18:27:25 (to check that everything went well) 18:27:35 seangrove [~user@c-71-202-126-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:28:55 yes 18:28:59 cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.130] has joined #lisp 18:29:00 it works know with alexandria 18:29:09 but when i try to install babel i get an error 18:29:17 *it works now with alexandria 18:29:26 which says? 18:29:33 failed to find the TRUENAME of /Users/topo/src/tf-sbcl.lisp: 18:29:33 No such file or directory 18:30:23 Very odd. 18:30:39 * (ql:quickload "babel") 18:30:39 To load "babel": 18:30:39 Load 1 ASDF system: 18:30:40 babel 18:30:40 ; Loading "babel" 18:30:40 debugger invoked on a SB-INT:SIMPLE-FILE-ERROR: 18:30:40 failed to find the TRUENAME of /Users/topo/src/tf-sbcl.lisp: 18:30:41 No such file or directory 18:30:58 hikoki: please use paste.lisp.org for things like that. 18:30:59 Hey all, where can I read more about swank? 18:30:59 im on macosx 18:31:04 I'd like to understand a bit more 18:31:06 hikoki try installing some other package you don't have yet. say (ql:quickload "iterate") 18:31:12 <|3b|> you seem to have a broken install of trivial-features 18:31:19 to see if the issue is babel specific 18:31:30 ok 18:31:44 *sykopomp* wonders if hikoki manually messed around with sources. 18:31:48 <|3b|> seangrove: source, slime mailing list, #lisp logs? 18:31:57 oh i think i need tribial features 18:32:26 kennyd: ive installed iterate and it worked fine 18:33:00 is it fine this if i wanna load trivial features? 18:33:01 (ql:quickload "tribial-features") 18:33:29 <|3b|> hikoki: depends on what you did to break it in the first place 18:33:44 <|3b|> since it wouldn't try to load that file if it didn't have some of it already 18:33:54 hikoki: Just so you know, pasting more than one line into an IRC channel is bad manners, as it inerrupts the conversation. 18:34:11 ok sorry jtza8 18:34:13 |3b|: I suppose I was looking to get just a higher-level view of what it is 18:34:22 And http://www.cliki.net/SWANK is a bit bare ;) 18:34:43 trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 18:35:02 <|3b|> approximately, an RPC server that slime talks to, + a bunch of random introspection utilities, etc 18:36:08 And it's included as part of slime, or as part of the individual lisp implementations? 18:36:19 <|3b|> it is part of slime 18:36:39 <|3b|> though it uses lots of implementation specific features 18:36:41 im trying to install trivial-features but i get the same error as babel 18:36:48 please check , ive uploaded here: 18:36:49 http://pastebin.com/zVtHVNcr 18:37:50 If you'd like I could help you one-on-one with this problem via pm. 18:37:54 <|3b|> hikoki: do you have a bunch of .asd files in ~ ? if so, try moving them somewhere else, restart lisp, and then use quicklisp to load babel again 18:38:07 ok 18:38:15 yes i have a bunch of .asd 18:38:55 i putted them because i was trying to install alexandria, babel and trivial features by hand before knowing quiickload exists 18:38:55 -!- seangrove [~user@c-71-202-126-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:39:09 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@68-188-56-11.static.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:39:55 -!- markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:40:39 pchrist_ [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 18:40:46 hikoki: Works now? 18:41:22 markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 18:43:13 no 18:43:20 im getting now another error 18:43:25 check : 18:43:26 http://pastebin.com/56GpuxGN 18:43:43 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:45:09 hikoki: have you removed the copies of the systems (babel, cffi, etc) that you installed yourself? 18:45:28 no 18:45:36 io have a folder babel in ~ 18:45:40 and alexandria also 18:45:47 should i delete them? 18:45:48 quicklisp first looks for versions you have installed yourself, which is useful, but can easily lead to version mismatches. 18:46:10 yes, delete them. 18:46:14 ok im gonna delete 18:47:53 oh now it worked perfect and smooth 18:48:09 hikoki: yay! 18:48:17 ; ) 18:48:28 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:49:09 thanks for the help 18:49:11 hikoki: if all you need is cffi, you can quickload cffi directly, and all the transitive dependencies will also be installed. 18:49:24 oh yes? 18:50:07 so should i just do (ql:quickload "cffi") and it installs automatically everythin? 18:50:13 yes 18:50:32 cool 18:50:35 and glu? 18:50:38 and glut? 18:50:48 same, if they're in quicklisp. 18:51:09 it seems they arent 18:51:11 * (ql:quickload "glu") 18:51:12 debugger invoked on a QUICKLISP-CLIENT::SYSTEM-NOT-FOUND: System "glu" not found 18:51:26 maybe they're not named like that. 18:51:28 <|3b|> cl-opengl has glu and glut as well 18:51:48 There's at least cl-opengl in quicklisp. The interesting thing about sticking to quicklisp-provided systems is that they're minimally checked to work together. 18:51:49 If you look at (ql:system-apropos "glu") you'll see several candidates. 18:51:56 dnolen [~davidnole@68-188-56-11.static.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 18:52:05 (ql:quickload "cl-opengl") 18:52:48 it install opengl 18:53:00 but it seems it doesnt install glut neither glut 18:53:24 hikoki: try cl-glut and cl-glu instead. 18:53:44 im trying to load a .lisp file 18:53:50 and i get this 18:53:51 debugger invoked on a SB-INT:SIMPLE-FILE-ERROR: 18:53:51 Couldn't load "glut.lisp": file does not exist. 18:54:14 That means the file glut.lisp doesn't exist. :) 18:54:32 ummm 18:54:44 hikoki: what .lisp file are you trying load? 18:54:47 why not? 18:54:54 and old code i made 18:54:58 in my old computer 18:55:06 wanna see it? 18:55:20 hikoki: well, is the file's name glut.lisp? 18:55:29 no 18:55:33 it is sponje.lisp 18:55:36 nerooth [~oskar@c83-250-221-98.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 18:55:48 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 18:55:50 hikoki: is your code trying to (load "glut.lisp")? Or perhaps (require :glut)? 18:55:59 yes maybe 18:56:01 let me check 18:56:28 Don't do that then. :-) (require :cl-glut) should work on SBCL, actually. 18:56:49 (load "glut.lisp") 18:57:08 i remembered that at that time there was a problem with cl-glut 18:57:17 i remember 18:57:19 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-181-148.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57:33 thats why i was using glut.lisp that a friend fixed 18:57:48 i think i have glut.lisp in my old computer 18:58:03 anyone know how to grab the session-id in hunchentoot? 18:58:07 Lesson learned: clearly comment hacks like that. Because you'll forget. :) 18:58:11 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:58:19 yes 18:58:25 good idea 18:59:09 hikoki: for me, it only takes a few days to forget details like that. 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20:36:43 any idea of what can be the problem? 20:37:13 ISF [~ivan@201.82.134.98] has joined #lisp 20:38:20 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:38:47 austinh [~austinh@c-67-189-92-40.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:40:47 -!- scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:40:51 hikoki: no. Do you? 20:43:44 HG`` [~HG@p5DC05C2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:44:39 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:46:14 hikoki, you'll have to provide a lot more information if anyone is to have a chance of working out what is wrong 20:46:53 -!- HG` [~HG@p5DC05392.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:48:11 -!- MeanWeen [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-185.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:48:19 you usually have to call a function for things to happen, though. 20:56:22 mahir256 [~mahir256@50.40.178.48] has joined #lisp 21:00:55 ok 21:01:01 i think you can see better here 21:01:04 http://pastebin.com/5NVT2GSY 21:01:23 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:04:20 better this one 21:04:22 http://pastebin.com/QPv4pta1 21:04:23 any idea? 21:05:17 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.130.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:06:05 rme [~rme@50.43.135.89] has joined #lisp 21:08:34 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.110.176] has joined #lisp 21:08:45 ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 21:09:18 ikki [~ikki@189.247.130.64] has joined #lisp 21:11:03 do anybody is working with cl-opengl and sbcl? 21:11:57 hikoki: try #lispgames :-) 21:13:26 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:52 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 21:15:36 -!- HG`` [~HG@p5DC05C2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: HG``] 21:16:50 -!- tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:16:51 ok thanks 21:17:42 <_3b> from that paste, it looks like you are still loading the wrong cl-opengl code 21:18:15 _3b i was trying to use my old version of cl-opengl 21:18:21 because the new doesnt work either 21:18:32 :( 21:18:37 <_3b> you might need old cffi too then :/ 21:18:48 ummm 21:18:53 <_3b> probably easier to fix whatever is wrong with newer versions 21:18:56 and the other dependencies, too. 21:19:32 yes but i have all my codes with other glut 21:19:40 im gonna upload my glut 21:19:43 baggito did it 21:20:10 did I miss the conversation about why there's a bunch of non-ql libraries getting loaded in the first place? 21:20:11 <_3b> are you sure it isn't intended to be used with his GL libs then? 21:20:33 *ZabaQ* has missed a lot of context, it seems.. 21:20:58 <_3b> sykopomp: originally due to leftovers of pre-quicklisp install attempts, now apparently due to wanting old libs to run with old code 21:21:16 this is the glut i was using in my old computer 21:21:17 http://pastebin.com/rthhm4Qh 21:22:10 glut.lisp 21:22:22 i dont know why baggito was using that glut 21:22:32 instead of the glut that comes with cl-opengl 21:23:09 maybe i should try the one that comes with cl-opengl, but how can i change my codes to make it work with the new glut? 21:23:11 *_3b* is more suprised by using cl-opengl with that glut... thought he didn't like cl-opengl 21:23:17 If you are talking about who I think you are, he gave up on glut and switched to glfw. 21:23:48 yes but that was long ago 21:23:58 whats the difference between glfw and glut? 21:24:06 cl-glfw can be used with cl-open-gl or it can be used with it's own auto-generated binding. 21:24:51 maybe i should try new glut 21:24:56 MeanWeen [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-185.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:25:01 mostly, glfw is not event driven. supports a few things glut doesn't. more game-oriented, glut is more app-oriented. 21:25:16 i see 21:26:07 sometimes getting external C libraries and lisp bindings is tricky as you have to find the version of the C library that the binding wants. but I don't see how it could be a problem with glut as it's very stable. 21:26:26 *sykopomp* thought glut was more quick-and-dirty-demo-oriented. 21:26:43 That, too :-) 21:26:50 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:27:11 do anybody have an example of cl-opengl and sbcl? 21:27:28 sure 21:27:42 aren't there examples in the cl-opengl base itself. 21:27:47 <_3b> cl-opengl is mainly developed on sbcl 21:27:47 there are 21:28:01 examples in cl-opengl dir itself 21:28:07 as well as in glut 21:28:12 and in ioforms etc.... 21:28:28 oh 21:28:32 some of which work, most of it actually.... 21:28:35 i thought there we general examples 21:28:43 and i need specific sbcl codes for make it work 21:28:48 im gonna try 21:29:02 the biggest problem with glfw was pursuading the maintainers to support shared libraries. there was one guy on #glfw who thought shared libs were the spawn of satan. might be a demoscene thing. 21:29:34 <_3b> dunno, i'd try to avoid shared libs if i was doing C too :p 21:30:03 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:34:24 -!- claint` [~user@88.242.7.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:34:57 everytime i try to use the glut.lisp i get this: 21:34:57 The symbol "ENUM" is not external in the CL-OPENGL package. 21:35:29 -!- nha [~prefect@5-74.104-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:35:45 <_3b> maybe replace gl:enum with %gl:enum in glut.lisp? 21:35:53 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.110.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:36:04 umm 21:36:25 what does %gl mean ? 21:36:43 yes, whats %? 21:37:31 means internal ? 21:37:32 <_3b> % is just a character like any other 21:38:16 now i get this: 21:38:17 The symbol "DOUBLE" is not external in the CL-OPENGL package. 21:38:52 i replaced all gl:enum in glut.lisp with %gl:enum and no i get that 21:38:59 *npw 21:39:02 *now 21:39:22 <_3b> how about if you replace all gl: with %gl: ? 21:39:30 ok 21:42:04 marw [~marw@178-223-2-239.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 21:44:09 hello. i downloaded and unpacked lispbox, but it seems not to work correctly: "Warning: arch-dependent data dir ... does not exist", also: "/tmp/lispbox-0.7/emacs-23.2/share/emacs/23.2/site-lisp' does not exist". any tips on how to solve this? 21:44:16 oh yes 21:44:17 -!- altsrid [~altsrid@S010678ca39ff0146.vn.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:44:21 _3b now it worked 21:44:35 now i can run my codes in my new computer 21:44:51 ah i was getting those stupid errors once too 21:44:51 _3b whats the difference between gl and %gl? 21:44:59 yeah what's it ? 21:45:07 <_3b> one has a %, one doesn't 21:45:18 but why now does it run? 21:45:21 C-x C-q is "not defined" 21:45:27 <_3b> %gl is the package containing the low-level ffi bindings used by gl: 21:45:38 oh 21:45:49 and gl? 21:46:01 no ffi in gl ? 21:46:07 <_3b> at some point years ago, cl-opengl was refactored, and the low-level stuff got moved to %gl 21:46:22 <_3b> right, gl is supposed to be lisp API 21:46:40 oh 21:46:48 good to know, didn't know that 21:47:10 i wondered thence about those errors and couldn't fix them... 21:50:10 last question: 21:50:28 everytime i want to program with common lisp i use a template file 21:50:54 the template has things that i dont understand and i only program inside the (defun draw() ) function 21:51:17 is it possible to hide all the code from the template and just have (defun draw() ) in my program? 21:51:40 :) 21:55:37 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 21:57:42 tali713 [~user@c-75-72-221-163.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:59:39 -!- solid_state [~dsh@60-241-93-167.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #lisp 21:59:43 hikoki: put the template stuff in a separate file and load that before your "program" 21:59:53 (ie the file with the draw function) 22:01:10 ok, im gonna try 22:01:29 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:01:29 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@adsl-89-134-3-121.monradsl.monornet.hu] has joined #lisp 22:01:29 -!- attila_lendvai1 is now known as attila_lendvai 22:01:29 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@adsl-89-134-3-121.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit [Changing host] 22:01:29 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 22:01:30 -!- marw [~marw@178-223-2-239.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:03:03 -!- mahir256 [~mahir256@50.40.178.48] has left #lisp 22:03:16 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: bonk] 22:04:23 yes it worked 22:04:30 and how can i change the colors of emacs? 22:04:42 is it possible to have black backroung and white characters? 22:05:32 hikoki: you need an extension color-theme.el 22:05:36 SteveG [~Steve@c-71-195-234-222.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:06:35 adam33147 [~user@ool-44c0fe65.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 22:09:44 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:09:58 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA37ED7.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:12:00 -!- manuel_ [~manuel@pD9FDD35D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: manuel_] 22:14:53 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@187.58.13.91] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:15:19 fantazo [~fantazo@178-191-170-189.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 22:19:09 hikoki, you can change just about anything with regards to emacs 22:19:30 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:20:28 altsrid [~altsrid@S010678ca39ff0146.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 22:20:40 -!- SteveG [~Steve@c-71-195-234-222.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:21:58 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@68-188-56-11.static.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 22:22:43 -!- Guthur [~Guthur@host86-148-25-3.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:23:49 how? 22:24:02 i added this to the .emacs file 22:24:24 (set-background-color "pink") 22:24:58 ah, the "C-x M-x fabulous" mode 22:27:25 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:30:13 Mococa [~Mococa@189.115.255.73.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 22:30:22 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-162-253.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:33:15 i was wondering: is it possible to create a package or frameworks with sbcl, supercollider, emacs, cl-opengl and all needed to program graphics? 22:33:29 Yes. 22:33:39 instead of donwloading everypart by yourself and installing it , it would be cool to just download one thing 22:33:53 its a pain 22:33:56 :( 22:34:04 What are you waiting to make this package yourself? 22:34:13 good idea 22:34:23 how can i call it? 22:34:48 The Hikoki Package. 22:34:57 cool 22:37:32 Go to godaddy.com and by the hikoki.org domain name. 22:37:50 do you think is good idea? 22:37:59 do you think it can be useful for others? 22:38:11 theres something like that called fluxus but with scheme 22:38:29 I don't know, I never used supercollider, and I download and compile stuff myself, I don't find it painful. 22:38:48 But if uou do, there are probably hundreds or thousands of others who do too. 22:38:50 http://www.pawfal.org/fluxus/ 22:38:56 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-168-218.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:38:58 but with fluxus you cannot make sound 22:38:59 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-168-218.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:39:14 the one i want to implement you can create live graphics and sound 22:39:35 You should probably talk about that in #lispgame, they might have already something. 22:44:37 drdo [~drdo@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 22:53:57 scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has joined #lisp 22:57:36 holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has joined #lisp 22:58:43 dnolen [~davidnole@68-188-56-8.static.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 22:59:10 -!- markskil1eck [~mark@host81-152-162-234.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:59:32 -!- altsrid [~altsrid@S010678ca39ff0146.vn.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:00:41 markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 23:05:28 markskil1eck [~mark@host86-136-163-145.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 23:05:33 -!- pavelludiq [~pavelludi@87.246.58.193] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:58 -!- martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:07:16 martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 23:07:23 -!- markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:10:06 pnq [~nick@AC8165CB.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 23:21:35 -!- _death [void@common.lisp.su] has quit [Quit: death] 23:21:47 _death [void@common.lisp.su] has joined #lisp 23:28:46 fantazo_ [~fantazo@178-191-170-3.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 23:32:35 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@178-191-170-189.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:39:06 -!- Kajtek [~nope@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:44:22 Yuuhi` [benni@p5483B8CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 23:44:23 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483B8CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46:17 -!- hugod [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279440183.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:49:12 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-214-102-215.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:53:01 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.130.64] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:53:02 ericklc [~ikki@189.247.105.185] has joined #lisp 23:54:25 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:54:38 -!- martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:55:34 -!- markskil1eck [~mark@host86-136-163-145.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:56:35 martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 23:57:14 -!- MeanWeen [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-185.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:57:23 -!- Yuuhi` [benni@p5483B8CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:57:27 markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 23:57:31 Yuuhi` [benni@p5483B8CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 23:57:34 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A3FB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:57:40 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@GZMMDCCLI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:57:53 urandom__ [~user@p548A3FB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp