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(loop for (a b) in '((foo 10) (bar 20)) collect `(if ,a ,b)) gives me ((IF FOO 10) (IF BAR 20)), while collect instead of append gives (IF FOO 10 IF BAR 20) 01:21:55 shaggy-: generate a COND form 01:21:57 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl15-231-243.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 01:22:11 (let ((clauses '((foo 10) (bar 20)))) (loop for form = nil then `(if ,(first clause) ,(second clause) ,form) for clause in (reverse clauses) finally (return form))) 01:22:38 heh, actually im trying to write cond macro ad a practice 01:22:59 (let ((clauses '((foo 10) (bar 20)))) `(cond ,@clauses)) 01:23:03 shaggy-: then the classic way to do this is with recursion. 01:23:13 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl15-231-243.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 01:23:18 pkhuong: such as demonstrated by my loop above... 01:24:29 thanks pjb let me process that 01:25:23 btw about recursion, one would have to write helper function, or could macro recursively call itself? 01:25:39 no, yes. 01:25:52 -!- tarmil [~user@109.74.51.29] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:26:43 (defun gen-if (clauses) (if (null clauses) 'nil `(if ,(first (first clauses)) ,(second (first clauses)) ,(gen-if (rest clauses))))) (gen-if '((foo 10) (bar 20))) 01:27:34 But then, if you have a million clauses, it's better to use the loop, because the recursion is not terminal, so you could use more than the stack space available. 01:27:56 Then of course, you could write it also as a terminal recursion, using an accumulator, but it becomes hairy. 01:28:14 -!- frhodes [~frhodes@168-103-96-233.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:28:22 frhodes [~frhodes@168-103-96-233.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 01:28:25 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:28:37 -!- pnq [~nick@AC82EAA4.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:28:54 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 01:29:11 -!- scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has 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11:15:46 if you know it best, sure 11:15:55 tried to start with pythong but... uhm... dunno 11:15:58 qop_away: lisp is certainly better than c/c++ or ada in my opinion. 11:16:18 qop_away: but you know, these are just meta questions. you'll not know for sure until you start. 11:16:35 H4ns: yes :) 11:17:02 all right, I tried perl, then pythiong I shall go for lisp now 11:17:11 and see how it goes ty! 11:17:19 qop_away: enjoy 11:17:53 btw the tutorials in the motd are good for beginners? 11:18:35 -!- wolfpython [~walter@180.109.159.93] has quit [Quit: ] 11:18:55 wolfpython [~walter@180.109.159.93] has joined #lisp 11:19:07 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217131002.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 11:19:08 qop_away: i learned lisp with http://www.franz.com/resources/educational_resources/cooper.book.pdf and i liked that. 11:19:44 I learned lisp with Practical Common Lisp, among other things 11:19:49 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.159.103] has joined #lisp 11:20:02 awesome :) 11:20:54 -!- DataLinkDKT 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13:26:42 <_6502_> ibis at 120+ euro/night 13:27:45 Good to see the attendee count has gone up somewhat. 13:27:50 <_6502_> xach: italy... and the flight is going to cost 120 euros (roundtrip), the conference hotel is 150 (without breakfast) 13:28:02 leo2007 [~leo@59.60.43.99] has joined #lisp 13:28:27 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.159.103] has joined #lisp 13:28:39 <_6502_> i wanna see what lispers look like in real life :-) 13:28:45 _6502_: where in Italy? 13:28:59 <_6502_> jdz: vigevano (40km from milan) 13:29:14 _6502_: i'm in Trento 13:29:24 <_6502_> jdz: are you coming too? 13:29:27 *stassats* haven't decided on ECLM yet... 13:29:57 _6502_: can't go this year 13:30:12 _6502_: but at least i was at the first eclm back then 13:30:37 <_6502_> jdz: it's my first time at a lisp meeting 13:30:46 stassats: come, what's stopping you ? 13:30:48 if only there were videos of talks or something... 13:31:02 <_6502_> talks are not recorded? 13:31:02 You can throw rotten vegetables at a video 13:31:02 -!- 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Mine keeps freezing up. Why is that?" 13:37:19 <_6502_> i assume that on average each partecipant will have 2.5 programmable devices connected to the internet 13:38:05 <_6502_> i was at europython this year.... 600+ nerds and a non-working wifi connection in the first day 13:38:50 it's very convenient talking through irc/xmpp while sitting next to each other 13:39:34 stassats: we can sit further away if it helps 13:39:57 <_6502_> it's for tweeting and for people to download your stuff while you're talking about it 13:42:03 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-112-246.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:42:27 pcavs [~Adium@c-65-96-169-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:42:28 _6502_: providing wifi for 600 people is very difficult and expensive 13:44:04 -!- pcavs [~Adium@c-65-96-169-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:44:07 drdo [~drdo@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 13:44:09 kami [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has joined #lisp 13:44:18 Hello 13:44:30 pnq1 [~nick@AC82016D.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 13:45:58 <_6502_> fe[nl]ix: i know... and they were ready but there was a crosstalking problem that didn't show up during the tests. on the second day they got it fixed and after that worked fine. of course they had to use a separate connection from what the hotel provided (hotels wifi normally starts to suck bad at 20). 13:46:07 -!- pnq [~nick@AC81DA16.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:46:57 rme [~rme@50.43.128.22] has joined #lisp 13:47:34 -!- pnq1 is now known as pnq 13:48:03 <_6502_> kami: yo :-) 13:48:04 faust45 [~Adium@235-6-93-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 13:49:50 -!- markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:50:51 weirdo [sthalik@kronstadt.lain.pl] has joined #lisp 13:53:31 -!- weirdo [sthalik@kronstadt.lain.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:54:05 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-232-154-82.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined 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I want to store the date (in years) in a hash table 15:37:45 and let the values be the ids, so for one k entry there will be many ids 15:39:10 (loop for (id date) in list do (push date (gethash date hash-table)))? 15:39:21 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:39:24 ex: 1999 '(2 3 4 66 98 ...). But if a id is already stored anywheer in the values of the table, then I don't want it to be stored anywhere else (there are duplicates in the original data I want to avoid entering) 15:40:03 maybe it makes sense to remove the duplicates before hashing 15:40:07 s/push/pushnew/ 15:41:31 stassats: yes I understand, but that only works if the id and the dates as a list is a duplicate, my issue is I have ids with multiple dates 15:41:37 gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 15:42:02 (id1 1999) (id1 2004) etc... 15:42:06 -!- markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:42:20 (remove-duplicates list :key #'car) 15:42:34 markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 15:42:55 yes, I should do that,sort descending before and remove-duplicates 15:43:00 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:43:04 -!- pnq [~nick@AC81D8D7.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:43:08 why sort? 15:43:22 I want to keep the earliest date per id 15:43:30 sort ascending 15:43:41 sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 15:45:20 -!- Joreji [~thomas@83-013.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:45:39 remove suplicates keep the last value, so I guess it will be sort descending 15:45:46 -!- guidj0s [~gdjs@187.39.185.219] has quit [Quit: 0] 15:46:20 -!- markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Client Quit] 15:46:47 markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 15:46:51 oconnore [~Eric@75-150-66-254-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:46:55 or (loop with seen = (make-hash-table) for (id date) in list unless (nth-value 1 (alexandria:ensure-gethash id seen t)) do (push id (gethash date hash-table))) instead of remove-duplicates 15:47:44 -!- markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Client Quit] 15:47:46 /s/ t// 15:49:30 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:49:53 coyo [kvirc@pool-71-164-173-28.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:49:53 -!- coyo [kvirc@pool-71-164-173-28.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:49:53 coyo [kvirc@unaffiliated/bandu] has joined #lisp 15:52:08 superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 15:52:45 stassats: nice, I used it as is, don't I have so sort the list before? 15:52:53 you have to 15:52:58 ok 15:53:25 -!- rins [~rins@64.134.66.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:53:35 Bike [~Glossina@69.166.35.238] has joined #lisp 15:53:36 I guess I can sort ascending here instaed to keep the earliest date 15:55:41 "/s/ t//" stassats what did this refer to? I used the code as suuplied 15:56:00 it means "remove ' t'" 15:56:20 markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 15:58:16 setf always prints to the repl. We can toggle the printing on/off right? 15:58:45 setf never prints anything 15:59:05 -!- markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Client Quit] 15:59:30 manuel_ [~manuel_@p57921436.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:59:32 francogrex: the result of any form evaluated in the repl is displayed in the repl... 15:59:38 markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 15:59:48 (setf x 3), it echoes 3 in the repl 15:59:58 francogrex: it has nothing to do with SETF 16:00:05 oudeis [~oudeis@93-173-175-217.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #lisp 16:00:13 bobbysmith007: some forms have no results 16:00:14 See chapter 0 of every lisp book. 16:00:29 or rather "no values" 16:00:44 indeed 16:01:37 francogrex: for example (progn (setf x 3) (values)) does not display 3 in the repl 16:02:07 (1+ (setf x 3)) doesn't display 3 in the repl either 16:02:08 right what i'd like is to have a defparameter kind of echo, just the variable, because setfing a very large list is printing all in the repl, it's for practicle issues 16:02:24 why not just use defparameter then? 16:02:51 it is already a defined parameter, I'm only lmodifying its value 16:02:53 -!- markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Client Quit] 16:03:08 then why not just use defparameter? 16:03:08 francogrex: you can use the same form pasted above to not echo to the repl... (progn *form* (values)) 16:03:39 markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 16:03:59 -!- FreeArtMan [~FreeArtMa@93.177.213.54] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:04:03 i don't believe that it's easier to type than defparameter 16:04:28 stassats: I can but is it good style, I though after defparameter one time, setfing would be the later modifications. otherwsise I could use defparameter again. No, it's just a bit longer a few letters 16:04:47 -!- markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:04:54 there are no style in the repl 16:05:03 ok 16:05:06 markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 16:05:12 stassats: thats correct, sorry, I forgot that defparameter doesnt return the value set, but instead the variable name 16:05:19 You can also use *print-length* 16:05:54 Xach: sweet, hadnt seen that before 16:05:57 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has joined #lisp 16:05:58 which is quite limited 16:08:59 -!- markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Client Quit] 16:09:40 markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 16:09:57 -!- elfrosch [~Brnt@tmo-097-181.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:21 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 16:10:49 altsrid [~altsrid@remote.activestate.com] has joined #lisp 16:12:50 drdo` 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What a horrible primitive way to make a computer do its dance. 19:42:33 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 19:42:45 -!- manuel_ [~manuel_@p57921977.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 19:42:54 manuel_ [~manuel_@p57921977.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:43:32 You should write a Lisp program that writes the C program. 19:43:38 superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 19:43:54 ECL? 19:43:57 heh 19:44:01 Xach: well, sadly, the point is to actually write the C program. Because I'm trying to demonstrate horrible, primitive things. 19:44:44 gigamonkey: Will this be a public publication (surprised by pun)? 19:44:59 billstcalir [~billstcla@p-67-158-180-145.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 19:45:02 Why not let the lisp program demonstrate horrible primitive things, I am sure it won't mind. 19:45:36 associating horrible primitive code with lisp may defeat the point of the exercise 19:45:43 antoszka: someday. (See http://www.codequarterly.com/ if you haven't yet.) 19:45:53 gigamonkey: Thx. 19:45:57 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:46:13 jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.2.91] has joined #lisp 19:46:24 -!- billstcalir is now known as billstclair 19:46:28 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-67-158-180-145.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:46:28 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 19:47:21 gigamonkey: good C is lovely! 19:47:57 pkhuong: I'd like to believe that. 19:48:23 I like the idea of C. But the reality is tedious. Sure is fast though once you get it working. 19:48:48 As opposed to Lisp which is non tedious and Just Works. And sure is fast once you get make it fast. ;-) 19:50:10 can't we all just get along! :> 19:50:10 -!- OliverUv [fuckident@valkyrie.underwares.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:42 OliverUv [~gandhi@195.159.235.178] has joined #lisp 19:50:56 C is slow-to-write, and that seems like inherent premature optimization to me 19:51:20 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-180-12.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:51:50 pavelludiq [~pavelludi@87.246.58.193] has joined #lisp 19:52:08 -!- austinh [~austinh@c-67-189-92-40.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:53:06 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 19:53:19 -!- lnostdal_ [~lnostdal@ti0030a380-dhcp0111.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:53:51 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 19:56:10 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.212.185] has quit [Quit: Offline] 20:01:35 -!- Bike [~Glossina@69.166.35.238] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:02:02 Bike [~Glossina@69.166.35.238] has joined #lisp 20:02:33 -!- jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.2.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:04:57 -!- rmar|away is now known as rmarianski 20:07:39 -!- scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:08:08 jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.2.91] has joined #lisp 20:09:21 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-89-130.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:12:36 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: superjudge] 20:16:58 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.111.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:19:02 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:19:02 gigamonkey: don't you use boehmGC? 20:22:13 -!- jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.2.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:23:17 -!- sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:23:17 pjb: because I'm writing example code not real code. 20:23:45 Plus this shouldn't be so hard--it's a very simple program. Gotta stretch myself. ;-) 20:23:56 With boehmGC, and the right library, writing code in C could be feasible. 20:25:24 austinh [~austinh@c-67-189-92-40.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:25:53 gigamonkey: watch out for dashes, C wont compile with them in symbol names 20:28:02 jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.2.91] has joined #lisp 20:30:40 I can write C code faster than I can write Lisp code. But that's mainly because I haven't practiced writing Lisp in a long time. :( 20:32:22 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-18-20-94.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:35:06 gigamonkey: i hope you know it was just a joke, anyway, were there any candidates for the job you mentioned? 20:36:36 (maybe applicant is a better word) 20:42:21 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:42:49 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 20:48:36 -!- tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49:17 tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:49:56 -!- mindCrime_ [~chatzilla@rrcs-70-62-112-146.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:50:54 Springheeled-J [~Spring-he@64.sub-75-203-209.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 20:54:20 -!- marcux [marcoanton@nat/google/x-cxzddmmsyhxbtwqh] has quit [Quit: marcux] 20:54:47 -!- tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:56:01 tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:58:16 SpringheeledJake [~Spring-he@200.sub-75-204-114.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 20:58:41 -!- Springheeled-J [~Spring-he@64.sub-75-203-209.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:02:02 Hey, is the "secret alien technology" motif originally Barski? Or did someone else coin it? 21:02:26 marsell [~marsell@120.22.56.20] has joined #lisp 21:04:15 Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-185.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:04:42 scrimohsin [~cmsimon@c-98-246-47-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:04:50 -!- Daev is now known as MODERATORS 21:04:57 -!- scrimohsin [~cmsimon@c-98-246-47-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:04:57 scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has joined #lisp 21:05:07 -!- MODERATORS is now known as MeanWeen 21:05:15 y3llow_ [~y3llow@111-240-178-227.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:05:22 ChibaPet: I think it was someone else 21:05:28 s0ber_ [~s0ber@111-240-178-227.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:06:07 Google isn't helping me nail it down as yet. Ah, well. Doesn't really matter. Someone at work attributed it to ITA, but that didn't seem right. 21:06:07 -!- SpringheeledJake [~Spring-he@200.sub-75-204-114.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:07:01 -!- y3llow [~y3llow@111-240-172-124.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:07:20 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 21:07:32 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@111-240-172-124.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:07:34 -!- y3llow_ is now known as y3llow 21:07:39 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 21:10:37 SpringheeledJake [~Spring-he@215.sub-75-253-89.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 21:10:57 ChibaPet: I think it might be along the lines of someone coining the term first, and then Barski making a set of logos... there's possibility that someone else first made the alien 21:11:05 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has left #lisp 21:11:44 Mm. Difficult to say. Conrad might have a clear notion. I should ask. 21:12:47 ChibaPet: http://bc.tech.coop/blog/051028.html 21:13:16 Hm, thank you! 21:14:21 Hm. The Scheme logo ought to be a cartoonish Lambda character. 21:14:35 If we're on the topic  have any of you got the lizard logo available in vector form? I wrote to the author, but he seems to have lost the original and has only got bitmaps now. 21:15:00 Springheeled-J [~Spring-he@134.sub-75-204-66.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 21:15:18 -!- SpringheeledJake [~Spring-he@215.sub-75-253-89.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:16:04 Just seeing jpegs and pngs in Google. 21:16:15 Yeah. 21:16:31 Might have to trace/recreate it one one. 21:16:34 mcstar: I'm in discussions with the folks doing the hiring. 21:16:39 s/one/one day/ 21:16:43 -!- faust45 [~Adium@235-6-93-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:17:28 -!- katesmith is now known as katesmith-away 21:17:30 -!- kruth [~chatzilla@c-76-20-179-83.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 6.0.2/20110902133214]] 21:17:57 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18:04 -!- Springheeled-J [~Spring-he@134.sub-75-204-66.myvzw.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18:25 DelPuerto [~youguy@90.170.10.172] has joined #lisp 21:19:35 I assume you've seen this, antoszka: http://www.normal-null.de/lisp_logo.html 21:19:57 ChibaPet: Yes, that's where I got in touch with the author. 21:20:02 Ah, okay. 21:20:23 ChibaPet: Still, there are only png files, no SVG/EPS/PS/fig/whatever :) 21:20:39 Yeah, noted that. But at least it has a range of sizes, if you trace. 21:20:54 -!- manuel_ [~manuel_@p57921977.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: manuel_] 21:21:23 I'll try one day. Should not be that difficult. 21:21:24 mishoo__ [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has joined #lisp 21:22:00 sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-69.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:23:46 -!- DelPuerto [~youguy@90.170.10.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:24:58 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:25:01 -!- elfrosch [~Brnt@80.149.198.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:25:18 faust45 [~Adium@61-41-93-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 21:25:21 -!- faust45 [~Adium@61-41-93-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has left #lisp 21:25:46 elfrosch [~Brnt@80.149.198.58] has joined #lisp 21:27:32 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 21:29:35 MoALTz [~no@host-92-18-66-46.as13285.net] has joined #lisp 21:31:18 -!- GrayMagiker [~steve@c-174-56-88-247.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:31:23 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has joined #lisp 21:32:06 manuel_ [~manuel_@p57921977.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:32:07 -!- mishoo__ 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