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This is not what you want in general. Normally, you want lexical binding, so you must define the variable explicitely with LET, LET* or LAMBDA. 02:39:26 tritchey_ [~tritchey@c-98-213-213-26.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:39:43 I'm trying to write some association list like this (ie. without making strings) ( ((bonjour) bienvenue) ((salut) salut) 02:39:52 naiv: also, there's the question of what value you would bind your variable with. DEFVAR and LET use NIL by default, but that wouldn't help in (+ a 42), you'd still get an error that NIL is not a number. 02:39:53 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-89-130.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:40:00 altsrid [~altsrid@S010678ca39ff0146.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 02:40:17 naiv: why use lists for the keys? 02:40:31 '((bonjour . bienvenue) (salut . salut)) 02:41:09 ((je vous ?A ?B *) je vous >A aussi >B) 02:41:24 ok. 02:41:37 I'm working with a pattern at left and an answer at right 02:42:17 I don't see the relationship with uninitialized variables. 02:43:51 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-213-213-26.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:43:51 -!- tritchey_ is now known as tritchey 02:43:54 how would you memorize the line I wrote, I think the normal way is to put some " everywhere (("je" "vous" "?A" "?B" "*") 02:44:16 Not at all. Lisp is a symbolic processing language. Just use symbols. 02:44:19 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:44:27 naiv: You should check out Gentle Intro 02:44:46 (defvar *patterns* '( ((bonjour) bienvenue) ((salut) salut) ((je vous ?A ?B *) je vous >A aussi >B))) 02:44:54 http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/index.html it's a free book, and it would help you a lot. 02:45:12 And then, you can read PAIP. 02:45:23 after reading PCL 02:49:05 topeak [~topeak@123.114.124.59] has joined #lisp 02:49:34 400 pages, I'll be back soon, thank you :) 02:49:50 :-) 02:52:17 -!- _a` [a@c-24-4-196-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:54:47 cam [~cam@unaffiliated/cam] has joined #lisp 02:55:53 kushal [kdas@nat/redhat/x-lfeimdremxkmiqgx] has joined #lisp 02:55:53 -!- kushal [kdas@nat/redhat/x-lfeimdremxkmiqgx] has quit [Changing host] 02:55:53 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 02:57:05 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl21-70-53.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 02:59:28 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-213-213-26.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 03:00:48 Kenjin [~josesanto@2.82.70.53] has joined #lisp 03:04:15 mindCrime_ [~chatzilla@cpe-076-182-089-009.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:06:33 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@c-67-180-54-112.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20:47 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 14:20:47 14:20:47 -!- names: ccl-logbot altsrid rme DelPuerto madnificent alvis pcavs realitygrill kpreid faust45 sonnym silenius_ urandom__ TristamWrk rmarianski Davidbrcz micro gffa replore Euthy ChibaPet mornfall pnq fortitudeZDY drl rins sykopomp algal manuel_ Yuuhi hajovonta Salamander tritchey BrianRice oudeis markskilbeck xyxu didi Odin- mishoo__ manjappa antifuchs peterhil Kryztof esden Kajtek mstevens ahinki Quetzalcoatl_ lnostdal_ Kenjin c_arenz kennyd killerboy jdz Athas 14:20:47 -!- names: djinni` trebor_dki attila_lendvai insomniaSalt blandest pavelludiq serichsen spacefrogg waaaaargh sdemarre kdas_ aerique mvilleneuve lnostdal ski_ anonchik Phoodus rtoym cyrillos mrSpec Jasko2 AntiSpamMeta Spion_ herbieB oGMo aoh yan_ j_king foocraft y3llow krl literal njan otwieracz a7p cmbntr_ rsynnott tty234 jsnell_ jrockway_ tomaw antoszka scharan clop jfletcher cnl freiksenet larva mtd morphling loke yroeht wtetzner fihi09`` cpt_nemo wormwood borkman 14:20:47 -!- names: ramus yahooooo Xach austinh tarmil galdor df_aldur kiooeht Mandus _krappie_ elliottjohnson neena Kovensky mgr quasisane albino maxm acieroid Bucciarati tempire jsoft ineiros bigjust stepnem gemelen schoppenhauer zbigniew xale ecraven vert2 s0ber Dodek Ralith ``Erik lonstein easyE EyesIsServer hlavaty syrinx_ lichtblau antgreen setmeaway nicdev_ fmu___ pchrist dmiles_afk wccoder Jasko sanjoyd araujo Tristam whoops sellout- gcentaur1 juniorroy Vivitron H4ns 14:20:47 -!- names: katesmith naiv daniel__1 surrounder martin_hex aperturefever limetree_ jeekl p_l|backup housel` pok_ johs derrida redline6561 fds mindCrime daedric tali713 Saeren frhodes nuba __main__ alanpearce ocharles Obfuscate mikejs shachaf C-Keen |3b| billitch lusory joshe __mal rotty ve Posterdati dfox cataska em CrEddy guther Intensity Yamazaki-kun joast McMAGIC--Copy pinterface _3b eno wormphlegm trigen nullman pkhuong cYmen zakwilson ilmari Zhivago fmu naryl 14:20:47 -!- names: bobbysmith007 guaqua hugod billstclair Euthydemus macrobat acelent JuanDaugherty The_third_man arbscht Patzy blumbri Oddity daimrod sirmacik schme nowhere_man clog cmm hyoyoung StrmSrfr quackv2 tychoish kloeri gkeith_lt setheus_ boyscared luis Borbus _root_ Xof froggey z0d blacktooth jasom kpal Khisanth eli elliottcable poet tic_ Pepe_ vpit3833 @fe[nl]ix mon_key churib cods flip214 prip mathrick deepfire phadthai msmith kleppari hyko Tordek nano- frodef 14:20:47 -!- names: sbryant MikeSeth msmith1 Adrinael sharpobject df DrForr felipe SpitfireWP phryk wivlaro sebyte kjellkt tetsu zvrba kanru churib__ MasseR egn pjb koollman foom reb dcrawford scode samebchase bfein Fade Axioplase adeht CallToPower erg rabite_ xristos levi finnrobi Jabberwockey felideon bege sshirokov Aisling rvncerr dostoyevsky rootzlevel Iceland_jack devhost PissedNumlock tvaalen klutometis spacebat 14:23:16 Gmind [~nevermind@123.16.111.217] has joined #lisp 14:26:05 -!- DelPuerto [~youguy@120.Red-88-30-182.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 14:27:23 spradnyesh [~pradyus@117.192.56.138] has joined #lisp 14:28:51 i looped by #'cddr a couple times 14:29:05 *Xach* has done that many times 14:29:13 -!- pcavs [~Adium@c-65-96-169-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:29:25 what'd you use maplist for? 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14:44:13 -!- kdas_ [kdas@nat/redhat/x-qttdypgxcfcjztmx] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:44:24 *sykopomp* wonders how long it'll take before we have Parendart. 14:45:28 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:46:29 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-dqtarnadywmtybsf] has joined #lisp 14:46:45 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.164.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:47:55 Xach: the quicklisp path is returned 14:48:03 ie. the one I don't want at the moment 14:48:28 flip214: What is the path to the system you do want? 14:48:35 #P"." 14:48:41 Doubtful. 14:48:51 hrm, why does read etc not parse "#\x"? 14:48:58 Do you mean #p"./"? 14:49:05 oh, ok 14:49:11 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 14:49:20 oGMo: If you mean a literal string, it would look like "#\\x" and have three characters in it. 14:49:48 flip214: the symbol *DEFAULT-PATHNAME-DEFAULTS* is what I usually use for that purpose. 14:50:07 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217131002.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 14:50:18 -!- msmith1 [~msmit297@adsl-98-92-214-155.asm.bellsouth.net] has left #lisp 14:50:19 ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has joined #lisp 14:50:20 Xach: err right, my bad 14:50:35 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.164.145] has joined #lisp 14:51:25 -!- Kryztof [~user@158.223.59.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:51:38 benny [~benny@i577A105D.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 14:52:00 Hrm, I've got #P"./" at the start and end of asdf:*central-registry* ... where is that cached? can I do (setf) of the system-directory? 14:52:18 scrimohsin [~cmsimon@static-50-43-53-7.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has joined #lisp 14:52:18 -!- scrimohsin [~cmsimon@static-50-43-53-7.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:52:18 scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has joined #lisp 14:52:19 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-218-0-98.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:53:00 flip214: does (probe-file #p"./") return what you expect? 14:53:06 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.181.1] has quit [Quit: Offline] 14:53:20 So, with PSETF one doesn't have to define a temporary variable to swap two values? 14:53:22 flip214: it's not cached. it's checked for every FIND-SYSTEM. 14:53:32 -!- scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has quit [Client Quit] 14:53:33 easyE: I'd use rotatef for two places. 14:53:49 no, it doesn't! thanks, that was the "old" sbcl with the wrong cwd. thank you! 14:54:04 oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-218-0-98.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 14:54:35 coyo [kvirc@pool-71-164-173-28.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:54:35 -!- coyo [kvirc@pool-71-164-173-28.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:54:35 coyo [kvirc@unaffiliated/bandu] has joined #lisp 14:54:54 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.181.1] has joined #lisp 14:55:05 Xach: oh, that's cool. 14:55:42 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 14:56:02 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217131002.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:56:44 Bike [~Glossina@69.166.35.233] has joined #lisp 14:56:58 Mandus [~aasmundo@oro.simula.no] has joined #lisp 14:57:10 scrimohsin [~cmsimon@static-50-43-53-7.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has joined #lisp 14:57:10 -!- scrimohsin [~cmsimon@static-50-43-53-7.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:57:10 scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has joined #lisp 14:59:44 -!- altsrid [~altsrid@S010678ca39ff0146.vn.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:00:58 mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has joined #lisp 15:03:35 jikanter [~Adium@66.146.192.96] has joined #lisp 15:06:00 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06:27 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.230.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:06:35 Amadiro [~Amadiro@1x-193-157-201-26.uio.no] has joined #lisp 15:06:56 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 7.0/20110824172139]] 15:08:14 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 15:09:33 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.206.69] has joined #lisp 15:09:46 milanj [~milanj_@178-223-172-125.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 15:10:24 Joreji [~thomas@83-013.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 15:10:26 -!- xcv [~xcv@dsl-225-28.hive.is] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10:38 seangrove [~user@c-71-202-126-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:11:46 -!- scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:13:35 -!- rins [~rins@c-76-24-27-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:14:27 -!- aerique [310225@xs8.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 15:15:00 kushal [~kdas@114.143.165.209] has joined #lisp 15:15:00 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.165.209] has quit [Changing host] 15:15:00 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 15:15:13 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:15:25 -!- sirmacik is now known as k1ch4w4 15:15:27 -!- gkeith_lt is now known as georgikeith 15:16:01 lanthan [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 15:16:17 -!- k1ch4w4 is now known as sirmacik 15:17:30 -!- lanthan [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:18:36 lanthan [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 15:19:26 drl [~lat@110.139.230.255] has joined #lisp 15:22:17 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 15:22:30 ISF [~ivan@201.82.134.98] has joined #lisp 15:23:13 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.164.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:23:33 i must be blind: given a pathname of a file, what is the easiest way to get the pathname of the directory that contains it? 15:23:46 i.e. #p"/etc/passwd" => #p"/etc/" 15:23:50 pathname-directory? 15:24:33 (make-pathname :directory (pathname-directory "/foo/bar/baz")) is my official submission. 15:24:35 that gives me the directory path, but if i use make-pathname with that, i'll not be carrying over device and host and the other fields. that'll piss of $youknow 15:24:45 ohh 15:24:56 *sykopomp* didn't know it dropped device info. 15:25:15 it does not drop it, it just does not contain it. 15:25:41 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 15:26:09 meh 15:26:24 so I guess you need to use pathname-device, pathname-host, etc, in combination? 15:27:01 does cl-fad have something that returns the info? 15:27:03 right. i'll not do that and risk being yelled at for now. :) 15:27:05 Fade: no. 15:27:05 H4ns: I've used (make-pathname :name nil :type nil :default pathname) in quicklisp with cross-platform success. 15:27:19 Xach: ah, nice! 15:27:25 err, :defaults. 15:27:29 Xach: *verbeug* 15:27:39 *achtung* 15:27:48 *strammsteh* 15:28:06 1+ xach 15:28:46 H4ns: fwiw $youknowwho uses :device+:directory. 15:29:04 -!- Euthy [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:29:06 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.164.145] has joined #lisp 15:29:22 *Xach* does not know who :( 15:29:24 *H4ns* likes teh cool xach version 15:29:55 I'm also confused, but I guess if you sub $MSFT it makes sense.. 15:30:11 Fade: don't forget VMS!! 15:30:11 heh 15:30:15 -!- algal [~anonymous@78-86-30-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: algal] 15:30:17 =) 15:30:29 gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 15:30:38 algal [~anonymous@78-86-30-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 15:30:44 HG` [~HG@p5DC051CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:30:47 btw, if anyone ever runs across dec common lisp for vax/vms, please share! 15:31:07 what kind of vms machine do you have? 15:31:27 Fade: i have a vax 4000/60, just for sentimental reasons 15:31:49 I recently picked up an alphaserver 4100, but it needs some work. 15:31:51 Fade: i used to have truckloads, but got rid of all that, thank god! 15:32:18 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:32:54 I haven't seen a VMS on vax installation since I was in the Yukon. it was still running the 911 service. 15:33:01 anaumov [~anaumov@opensuse/member/Alexander-Naumov] has joined #lisp 15:33:34 Fade: it has been a while for me, too. sadly. although the fading memories probably make me glorify the stuff even more! 15:34:41 my first multiuser login was on a VMS system, but I haven't thought much about vms since a long long time. 15:34:57 -!- gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:35:37 my 12 year old self was pretty titilated by the vms 'phone' utility. :) 15:35:44 -!- blandest [~blandest@85.204.33.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:35:52 Fade: phone was rather cool 15:35:59 Fade: i also liked the debugger. 15:36:03 Try #oldnerds, you old nerds! 15:36:12 *sigh* 15:36:15 *Fade* laughs 15:36:20 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:36:38 i'm not _that_ old. I had a glancing blow from vms when I was a child. ;) 15:36:50 Fade: blow of death! 15:37:51 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:39:49 acelent: Thanks for the pointer to package-local-nicknames. 15:41:17 It appears to be a patch for SBCL only at this point. 15:41:45 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:41:47 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-218-0-98.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:41:53 -!- Bike [~Glossina@69.166.35.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:42:18 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 15:44:37 pcavs [~Adium@63.139.127.6] has joined #lisp 15:45:29 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 15:46:30 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-dqtarnadywmtybsf] has left #lisp 15:47:16 -!- sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:48:46 sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 15:50:49 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 15:52:11 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:53:15 dabd [~dabd@kdbio13.inesc-id.pt] has joined #lisp 15:54:05 /clear 15:55:15 -!- dabd [~dabd@kdbio13.inesc-id.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:18 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:57:41 killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 15:57:53 -!- fortitudeZDY [~fortitude@123.103.66.135] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:58:30 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:01:44 drl: Can you post that FASL error again? 16:02:03 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA2EA62.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:03:31 redline6561, # {100292B961}> is a fasl file compiled with SBCL 1.0.50.31-20db73f, and can't be loaded into SBCL 1.0.51. 16:03:50 drl: Deleting stale fasls is one option but I wouldn't think you should have to in this situation...and this happens when you try to quickload swank? 16:05:24 kruth [~chatzilla@c-76-20-179-83.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:05:25 redline6561, after (ql:quickload "quicklisp-slime-helper") 16:05:31 Bike [~Glossina@69.166.35.235] has joined #lisp 16:05:31 slickuser [~slickuser@66.225.1.132] has joined #lisp 16:05:55 drl: where did you get sbcl 1.0.51? 16:06:08 it is not fully installed. 16:06:25 Xach: archlinux currently ships sbcl 1.0.51 16:06:26 Xach, archlinux package. 16:06:52 To where does it install? 16:07:00 Xach: /usr/bin/sbcl is the arch binary 16:07:08 drl: What version from git did you compile? 16:07:15 One easy fix is to ditch the arch package. 16:07:35 -!- ChibaPet [~mason@c-68-58-147-105.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:07:44 ChibaPet [~mason@c-68-58-147-105.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:07:47 Just remove it, you mean? Sure. Bootstrapping done. 16:08:04 redline6561, 1.0.50 16:08:31 .31 as listed, I'll assume. 16:09:09 sudo pacman -R sbcl was a good suggestion. Give it a shot, drl. 16:09:22 Or use pak -R sbcl if you feel like using a Common Lisp AUR helper. ;) 16:09:36 16:10:33 -!- gcentaur1 [~gcentauri@76-85-193-191.cable.inebraska.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:10:37 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.164.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:11:14 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-162-253.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:30 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-213-213-26.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:34 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.181.1] has quit [Quit: Offline] 16:11:40 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-213-213-26.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:12:08 -!- martin_hex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:12:12 redline6561, is pak your creation? 16:12:19 MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-224-68.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 16:12:35 gcentauri [~gcentauri@76.85.193.191] has joined #lisp 16:12:40 pakthan 16:12:43 -!- lnostdal_ [~lnostdal@ti0030a380-dhcp0111.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:12:44 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-162-253.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:12:44 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:14:11 drl: It was originally lpolzer/skypher's but I'm the maintainer now, yes. :) 16:14:13 martin_hex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 16:14:14 -!- martin_hex is now known as martinhex 16:14:38 redline6561, now I have no sbcl binary as I deleted the 1.0.50 binary. I still have clisp installed. 16:15:07 drl: There's not a binary in /usr/local/bin/? 16:15:37 Also what version of CLISP is installed? 16:15:52 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 16:15:53 redline6561, pak is great. Makes life much easier for archlinux users. 16:16:31 drl: Oh, are you a user? Awesome. Thanks. :) 16:16:32 redline6561, clisp 2.49 16:16:56 drl: Do you have a git checkout of SBCL? 16:17:56 redline6561, no. But I'll try to figure out how to get one now. 16:17:57 I would "sh make.sh --xc-host='clisp --no-init'" and see if that works. 16:18:12 git clone http://github.com/sbcl/sbcl.git is one way. :) 16:18:14 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483AD2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:18:46 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:19:16 gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 16:19:35 I admit to being a little confused though, how/why did you start having problems in the first place drl? 16:19:53 Was sbcl 1.0.51 just not new enough for you? ;P 16:20:03 altsrid [~altsrid@remote.activestate.com] has joined #lisp 16:21:11 -!- ChibaPet [~mason@c-68-58-147-105.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:22:08 There was a bug in sbcl 1.0.50 of arch package which prevented stumpwm from loading. So I installed the git version which had fixed it. 16:23:12 Gotcha. 16:24:53 redline6561, Where was the git version deposited. I have to run make in what directory? 16:25:30 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 16:26:19 drl: Where did you run git clone? It should be there/sbcl and that's where you run sh make.sh etc 16:27:01 -!- ocharles [u411@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-loinxrnbubjwdehh] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:27:01 -!- whoops [u549@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lwbmggocdvdfovki] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:27:01 -!- fmu___ [u89@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-adgcoeqbkpobiftd] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:31:42 -!- c_arenz [~arenz@nat/ibm/x-hobybuzmcxwekltc] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:31:46 SegFaultAX [~mkbernard@173.228.45.162] has joined #lisp 16:31:49 ChibaPet [~mason@c-68-58-147-105.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:36:51 fmu___ [u89@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pgskarzpgjxlldsu] has joined #lisp 16:39:14 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:39:43 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@1x-193-157-201-26.uio.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:41:39 Soulman [~knute@175.80-202-238.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 16:42:11 ocharles [u411@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-csrslxbttlxrxfkz] has joined #lisp 16:42:38 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:43:11 -!- algal [~anonymous@78-86-30-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: algal] 16:45:38 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.47.106] has joined #lisp 16:48:44 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-213-213-26.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 16:48:56 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-213-213-26.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:50:11 whoops [u549@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcubddeprsdyubok] has joined #lisp 16:51:38 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 16:52:02 -!- Phoodus [~foo@68.107.217.139] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:53:49 Yuuhi [benni@p5483AD2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:57:43 Dear lispers, I have a lisp app using drakma/usocket that encounters DNS failure conditions when I commute/switch network connections. How should I resolve this condition? 16:57:55 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 16:59:24 HG`` [~HG@p5DC0556F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:00:08 usocket:ns-condition, that is. The relevant code: https://github.com/redline6561/cl-scrobbler/blob/master/src/scrobble.lisp 17:01:32 Phoodus [~foo@68.107.217.139] has joined #lisp 17:02:21 -!- tfb [~tfb@80.238.0.145] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 17:02:58 -!- HG` [~HG@p5DC051CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:04:23 oudeis [~oudeis@85.65.166.236.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #lisp 17:05:32 Let me put that differently: I need to reacquire net connection/IP in a running app. How would I do that? 17:05:35 -!- sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:06:25 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:11:05 Clearly, my brain is failing. Ignore me. 17:11:30 I don't see your network handling code there, but... Open new sockets on failure? 17:12:09 ChibaPet: Right. Thanks. 17:12:32 -!- Joreji [~thomas@83-013.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:12:33 i wish there was a source-comprehending sort of sed/awk for lisp 17:13:25 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.134.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:17:17 If I'm using backquote and comma inside a function, should I make it a macro? 17:17:46 Kenjin: no. 17:17:50 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:17:59 -!- mishoo__ [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has quit [Quit: (save-lisp-and-die)] 17:18:03 Kenjin: backquote and comma are generic template-like constructs. they are very handy in macros but not exclusive to them. 17:18:03 Xach: is there w 17:18:18 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:18:29 is there a way to expand a function? something similiar to macroexpand-1 17:18:47 Kenjin: what would you expect to get as the result? 17:19:10 oGMo: Maybe you can do that with a code walker? 17:19:42 Xach: see the backquoted expression expanded 17:20:28 Kenjin: I guess I can't figure out how you're thinking about it, sorry. Paste the code? 17:21:32 Kenjin: Think of it as a convenient way of writing stuff quoted and unquoted. You could just as well achieve a similar result with plain quote, possibly with less readability. 17:21:44 Kenjin: So there isn't much to expand looking at it that way. 17:23:36 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 17:24:31 -!- lanthan [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:25:01 I might be going about this the wrong way 17:25:02 http://paste.lisp.org/display/124661 17:25:10 first its the experiment I made 17:25:28 after is the function where I want to use it 17:26:09 pardon the identation 17:26:21 FreeArtMan [~FreeArtMa@93.177.213.54] has joined #lisp 17:26:57 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 17:27:01 it looks like you should just be able to use LIST there, since you're comma-ing everything anyway? 17:27:17 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:27:23 (list x (logior 1 2)) 17:27:23 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 17:27:48 I see 17:28:19 thanks, cleaner this way 17:28:21 You could do that with macros, too, e.g. (list 'let (list (list 'foo 42)) ...) 17:28:34 It just looks way nicer to have it look mostly like code except in a few bits. 17:28:39 or even: (let ((ior-1-2 (logior 1 2))) (lambda (x) (list x ior-1-2))) 17:28:55 -!- anaumov [~anaumov@opensuse/member/Alexander-Naumov] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:29:06 But if you want to see what a backquote expression becomes, you can just try it on the REPL with some LETs 17:29:33 Bike: thats what I did in my experiments in the first part of the paste 17:30:52 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has joined #lisp 17:35:36 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has quit [Client Quit] 17:37:33 Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-185.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:39:11 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:40:34 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.47.106] has quit [Quit: Offline] 17:42:17 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 17:42:34 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:43:39 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has joined #lisp 17:43:43 redline6561 and Xach, I'm back in business. Many thanks for the help! Also, Quicklisp and Pakthan are both great programs which make my life a lot easier.. 17:44:42 -!- Daev is now known as MeanWeen 17:46:53 Younder [~john@238.202.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 17:47:05 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.181.1] has joined #lisp 17:47:24 Amyn [~abennama@cac94-2-87-91-21-215.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 17:48:22 welcome to lisp the channel where you can hear me relate sloppy and incoherent drivel. All according to our all loved Zach (I thought it was zeus for a while) 17:48:54 not just Xach 17:49:31 I sem to have forgot hos henchemen 17:49:49 anyhow.. Hi all 17:49:56 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Xach 17:49:59 -!- Xach has set mode +b *!*john@*.202.34.95.customer.cdi.no 17:50:03 -!- Younder [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has been kicked from #lisp by Xach (Bye, all.) 17:50:04 It'd be more accurate to call it independent review 17:50:10 -!- Xach has set mode -o Xach 17:50:10 *snap* 17:50:14 -!- katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:50:56 dlowe: that was a... snappy comeback! 17:51:04 groan 17:51:05 katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has joined #lisp 17:54:53 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:57:12 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 17:57:39 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has quit [Quit: (save-lisp-and-die)] 17:57:40 -!- pcavs [~Adium@63.139.127.6] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:58:32 Glad to hear it drl. 18:00:09 pcavs [~Adium@63.139.127.6] has joined #lisp 18:01:11 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.115.118] has joined #lisp 18:02:28 -!- spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Quit: spacefrogg] 18:02:53 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 18:05:40 -!- tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:08:35 Where is asdf:*central-registry* ? 18:08:50 drl: It is a symbol defined by ASDF. 18:10:00 Xach, I put the wrong path in for my project. How do I correct it? 18:10:34 So quicklisp can load it. 18:10:39 drl: It's a list. You can use list-related functions to change it, or you can reinitialize it with a fresh value, or whatever else you want. 18:12:21 drl: Just a suggestion. What I like to do is have a ~/projects/systems/ directory. I symlink the .asd files of any lisp stuff I'm working on in that directory. Then I (push "/path/to/projects/systems/" asdf:*central-registry*) in my .sbclrc and ta-da, pain free hacking. 18:12:47 Simple, maybe wrong but it works for me. YMMV etc 18:13:02 I like the :tree option for asdf for that. Then you don't even have to do the symlink. 18:13:16 *Xach* doesn't like symlinking very much, and puts all his lisp projects in ~/src/lisp/ and has asdf scan it on startup. 18:13:49 austinh: What's the tree option? 18:13:51 *madnificent* uses a script which lays simlinks to the relevant directories 18:14:07 redline6561: You can setup a config file for asdf... 18:14:26 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-176-25.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:14:30 cat ~/.config/common-lisp/source-registry.conf.d/asd-files.conf 18:14:30 Ah...I think I've heard about that. 18:14:35 drl: so you can use (push "/path/to/your/asd/folder/" asdf:*central-registry*) 18:14:39 (:tree "/home/austin/projects/") 18:15:14 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-176-25.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:16:19 It'll automatically add any system definitions it finds at startup, and you can eval (asdf:compute-source-registry) in the REPL to update it, if you add more definitions later. 18:16:28 Ooh... 18:16:36 *redline6561* is tempted 18:17:13 austinh: you can add multiple trees as well, i assume. if so, how? can you filter certain subtrees from the list? 18:17:16 You could also add another line like: (:directory "/home/austin/systems/") to manage that directory w/ symlinks or whatever, too. 18:17:40 You can add as many lines as you want, but I don't know anything about filtering. 18:17:57 sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-69.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:18:14 *madnificent* does kind of like configuration to be done in normal lisp forms, but still, tempting... 18:19:01 -!- xale [~xale@2001:4b98:dc0:51:216:3eff:fef2:58dd] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:19:09 Xach, note what happens when I push a new value: (#P"/l/i/" #P"/l/i" #P"/home/lat/quicklisp/quicklisp/") 18:19:17 redline6561: http://common-lisp.net/project/asdf/asdf/Configuring-ASDF.html#Configuring-ASDF 18:19:43 drl: Note? 18:21:00 Xach, #P"/l/i/" #P"/l/i" 18:21:16 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:29 drl: What do you want me to note? 18:22:14 Xach, the old value is not deleted. 18:22:35 drl: Not a problem. 18:24:32 drl: (setf asdf:*central-registry* '("/home/lat/quicklisp/quicklisp/")) if that concerns you 18:24:53 Xach, when I try to load my project, I get: While searching for system "lat-il": #P"/l/i" evaluated to #P"/l/i" which is not a directory. 18:25:05 drl: Do you know how to remove elements from lists? 18:26:34 Zach, no. I've forgotten. But I'll look it up. 18:26:35 -!- gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [] 18:27:18 -!- FreeArtMan [~FreeArtMa@93.177.213.54] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:27:33 marsell [~marsell@120.18.211.80] has joined #lisp 18:28:18 There are many ways. 18:31:11 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 18:31:30 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@85.65.166.236.dynamic.barak-online.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:31:42 Kenjin: Try (prog1 nil (write '`(backquoted expression ,comma ,@backquote) :pretty nil)), it will show you the expanded backquote. 18:31:51 blackwolf [~blackwolf@ool-43568cfa.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 18:32:22 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:32:49 is there a simpler way to read a 4-byte unsigned long int from a file other than reading byte-by-byte and shifting? 18:32:53 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:33:16 READ-SEQUENCE? 18:33:40 tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:34:56 blackwolf: Reading byte-by-byte and shifting is what I do. 18:35:08 Hexstream: close - I'd still have to do the shifting part 18:35:09 I guess it depends what your element-type stream you have... 18:35:10 Xach: CommonQT from QL builds, but doesn't run, on current Smoke 18:35:30 p_l|backup: I wish I knew what to do with that knowledge. 18:36:09 Xach: just notification that the package doesn't work - I'm sending the fix upstream, unless you want to hotfix it in QL? 18:36:16 Soulman1 [~knute@175.80-202-238.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 18:36:21 I can wait. 18:36:25 You're the first to mention it. 18:36:38 Xach: hrmm ... 'k. would really prefer something that would do a block read into an alien 32-bit int, but I guess this will have to do. fwiw, anything that will read/write directly to a block of memory (for use later with FFI)? 18:37:04 blackwolf: I don't know, sorry. 18:37:16 Xach: np - thx 18:37:33 -!- Soulman [~knute@175.80-202-238.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:38:20 mmap and things like memref would do this (: 18:38:29 but nothing standard will, I believe 18:38:44 Hexstream: cool :) thanks 18:39:05 Kenjin: np :) 18:39:06 antifuchs: another option would do everything using FFI (open/read/etc0 18:39:16 -!- alvis [~alvis@tx-71-2-122-27.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:39:21 yeah 18:39:22 blackwolf: What is the overall project? 18:41:30 Xach: one file contains offsets into another file. need to read an 8-byte unsigned int from the first and use it as an offset into the second to read a block record. easy enough to do in C, was hacking around on it in lisp. 18:42:42 I do that all the time, but don't really mind writing the assembling functions and hiding them behind things like (read-uint64 stream) or whatever. 18:42:59 lichtblau: here-p 18:43:01 I haven't run into a case yet where the speed mattered, or I noticed it. 18:43:09 just make sure you get the endianness right (: 18:43:31 *Xach* never forgets the endianness 18:43:43 got a multi-gig file, concerened about the byte-by-byte reads. 18:43:54 blackwolf: my advice would be "try it and see" 18:44:01 p_l|backup: what's the fix? 18:44:09 lnostdal_ [~lnostdal@ti0030a380-dhcp2618.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 18:44:16 blackwolf: there's buffers all the way down 18:44:22 esri shapefile headers have values of both endianness (right and wrong) 18:44:45 lichtblau: Smoke abi v3 needs -lsmokebase (just like windows with smokebase.lib) 18:45:22 antifuchs: heh, yeah - but i'm guessing byte-by-byte copies would be slower than a memcpy of a multibyte chunk. then again, there's knuth's warning about premature optimization and all. 18:45:36 (comes with KDE 4.7 if I understood pacman correctly) 18:45:52 read-sequence is usually a bit faster than reading one by one, true 18:46:07 but it mostly manifests when you read large amounts of them (: 18:46:11 lichtblau: otherwise it will build, but fail on loading library due to not finding symbols 18:46:21 working in a java shop and everything is done byte-by-byte. would be nice to have a chunk of lisp code that blew the doors off the java i/o packages they have. 18:46:25 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 18:47:07 Maybe you could try to compete on writing it faster rather than running it faster :) 18:47:37 heh. reminds me that I have this big chunk of binary file reading in CL to do :D 18:47:50 Xach: that would entail IRC avoidance :) 18:48:11 -!- anonchik [~anonymous@88.80.28.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:48:27 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 18:48:35 `READ-UINT64' it is then. thanks -- 18:48:47 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 18:48:49 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:49:52 blackwolf: If you have a known-ish number of offset records you want to read at once, you could slurp a big octet vector with read-sequence and assemble out of that vector. But really, probably easiest to just try the first thing that works and see if it's fast enough. 18:49:54 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 18:50:14 Xach: agreed 18:51:41 p_l|backup: I'm not in a position to test ATM. Can you either send a mail to the list, or file a bug report on github? stassats and ivan4th will see it there, too. 18:52:39 Thanks Xach, redline6561, and everyone else that helped. I have it working now. 18:53:54 and I don't really understand it... What does ldd libcommonqt.so look like for you if you link without the extra -l flag? 18:54:58 -!- altsrid [~altsrid@remote.activestate.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:55:04 -!- Bike [~Glossina@69.166.35.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:55:22 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.181.1] has quit [Quit: Offline] 18:57:53 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.181.1] has joined #lisp 18:58:50 Bike [~Glossina@69.166.35.233] has joined #lisp 18:59:12 -!- jikanter [~Adium@66.146.192.96] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:59:30 lichtblau: without it, I'm not seeing libsmokebase.so.3, but it fails loading due to a symbol not being found (but which gets defined by smoke.h) 19:00:36 basically, without it, libcommonqt.so has few symbols in .dynsym that aren't linked in any library 19:01:05 Harag [~phil@iburst-41-213-25-191.iburst.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:01:13 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 19:01:53 I'll send stassats a pull request to his repo (his seems to be in-sync with gitorious) 19:02:47 alvis [~alvis@tx-71-2-122-27.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 19:04:55 bayesian [~MLPFiM@gateway/tor-sasl/frendshipismagic] has joined #lisp 19:05:06 hi 19:08:18 -!- pcavs [~Adium@63.139.127.6] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:08:46 oconnore [~Eric@75-150-66-254-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 19:08:56 -!- replore [~replore@ntkngw133234.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:09:02 -!- katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:09:25 katesmith [~katesmith@97-89-229-3.static.snfr.nc.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:09:25 -!- katesmith [~katesmith@97-89-229-3.static.snfr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:09:25 katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has joined #lisp 19:11:30 lichtblau: https://github.com/stassats/commonqt/pull/4 <--- with error message attached 19:11:55 pcavs [~Adium@63.139.127.6] has joined #lisp 19:12:02 -!- milanj 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[~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 19:30:59 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:31:31 Abelson vs Sussman who would win? 19:32:16 graham! 19:32:18 lol 19:32:22 :) 19:32:36 Zuse 19:32:38 lol 19:32:52 -!- Gmind [~nevermind@123.16.111.217] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:33:16 OliverUv [fuckident@valkyrie.underwares.org] has joined #lisp 19:33:26 bayesian: go away. 19:33:46 but im lonely and I want to chat 19:34:17 hmm, what happened to icq ? 19:34:21 lol 19:37:49 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.206.69] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 19:38:24 Xach, so whats new in lispo 19:38:33 -o 19:38:38 Gmind [~nevermind@123.16.111.217] has joined #lisp 19:39:08 i met a true workaholic today...... 19:39:11 lol 19:39:31 oh? 19:39:36 -!- Gmind [~nevermind@123.16.111.217] has quit [Client Quit] 19:39:47 Why don't you guys take it over to #lispcafe? 19:40:13 it's 21:40 it's closed! 19:43:49 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 19:46:10 xach are you still angry at me 19:46:53 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.181.1] has quit [Quit: Offline] 19:48:34 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.206.69] has joined #lisp 19:51:16 is lisp really any better than the avreage language 19:51:49 -!- esden [~esden@repl.esden.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:52:15 bayesian: that's a pretty boring question 19:52:34 ok 19:52:42 what do you want to talk about 19:52:58 too busy hacking lisp 19:53:04 esden [~esden@repl.esden.net] has joined #lisp 19:53:17 I wish I was 19:54:10 what's stopping? 19:54:35 no problems to solve with lisp 19:54:52 no drive to do it for thge sake of it 19:55:17 Try using Emacs, that will give you problems to solve 19:55:44 i use emacs already 19:55:56 its like my second home 19:56:31 And you know elisp? 19:56:33 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:57:42 basics 19:57:44 i dont use it 19:57:48 except configuration 19:58:04 bayesian: go away. 19:58:18 wow what do you have against me 19:58:24 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 19:58:38 You are writing nonsense. 19:59:06 wr0jg 20:00:08 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 20:01:41 jewel [~jewel@196-215-114-61.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:01:54 Qworkescence: you were asking awhile back how to make *slime-compilation* not open a new window in your code frame? 20:02:07 or not appear in, rather 20:02:10 Yes 20:02:43 Qworkescence: if you didn't figure it out already, add "*slime-compilation*" to special-display-buffer-names 20:02:50 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:02:50 -!- OliverUv [fuckident@valkyrie.underwares.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:02:50 -!- Soulman1 [~knute@175.80-202-238.nextgentel.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:02:50 -!- whoops 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22:04:22 sonous [sonous@a88-113-0-233.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 22:06:47 Is it common or acceptable to export a symbol that is only used for its uniqueness, such as using +failure+ to test if a function failed (as opposed to returning nil)? 22:07:06 vpit3833 [~user@203.111.33.203] has joined #lisp 22:07:30 If so, is there a usual convention for defining that symbol? ie., (defvar *foo* (gensym)) 22:08:09 What's common and accepted, is to use nil or to signal a condition. 22:08:10 I don't think I've seen that style before. If NIL is inappropriate, usually I use conditions. 22:08:11 -!- kloeri [~kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:08:20 kloeri [~kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri] has joined #lisp 22:08:43 -!- rins [~rins@c-76-24-27-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:09:00 Ok, thanks! I've, of course, seen using a secondary value to indicate if the function was successful, but my particular case already uses multiple values. 22:13:33 -!- oconnore [~Eric@75-150-66-254-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:13:40 -!- trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:13:45 -!- kloeri [~kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:13:52 kloeri [~kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri] has joined #lisp 22:13:53 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@2.54.254.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:14:03 -!- tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:09 -!- rme [~rme@50.43.128.22] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:26 rme [~rme@50.43.128.22] has joined #lisp 22:14:27 tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:15:01 oconnore [~Eric@75-150-66-254-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 22:15:14 oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-79-183-218-10.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 22:17:47 Mococa [~Mococa@189.115.252.217.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 22:18:28 anvandare [~anvandare@78-22-148-184.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 22:19:18 -!- kloeri [~kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:19:25 kloeri [~kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri] has joined #lisp 22:19:47 -!- kloeri [~kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:20:18 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-88.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:20:45 austinh: you could always add an nth value to indicate success/failure. (Or use conditions) 22:21:38 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: zzz] 22:22:15 -!- waaaaargh [~waaaaargh@agsb-4d055664.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:23:08 I think what might work best for my particular case is to function like Hunchentoot's dispatch behavior, although how that relates may not be obvious. 22:23:18 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@189.115.252.217.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:24:43 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:26:38 replore [~replore@ntkngw133234.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 22:27:19 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:27:31 kloeri [~kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri] has joined #lisp 22:30:48 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:31:59 *Xach* builds up a quicklisp-global apropos mechanism 22:32:21 \o/ 22:33:37 scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has joined #lisp 22:42:28 -!- Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:43:55 -!- whoops [u549@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dmgwskekrzrirqnr] has quit [Quit: Updating details, brb] 22:44:05 whoops [u549@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oqmkgofzlzyefheu] has joined #lisp 22:44:35 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:46:16 -!- dlowe [dlowe@nat/google/x-neokqlicacwsbakh] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:51:00 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:52:58 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ei1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:53:02 -!- replore [~replore@ntkngw133234.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:56:02 so slow 22:57:13 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Quit: good night] 23:01:46 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 23:01:50 needs more nosql (-; 23:06:26 jtza8 [~jtza8@41.56.29.229] has joined #lisp 23:06:44 -!- EyesIsServer [~eyes@unaffiliated/eyesismine] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:07:49 building up the symbol metadata is slow 23:07:52 haven't tried querying yet 23:09:32 EyesIsServer [~eyes@unaffiliated/eyesismine] has joined #lisp 23:11:05 -!- Vivitron [~user@pool-108-7-56-243.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:11:18 Vivitron [~user@pool-108-7-56-243.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:11:30 haha, ok, that building it up is slow is to be expected, I guess (: 23:11:36 do you compile & load each project? 23:11:43 austinh: it depends on the design of your library, I've seen some return a keyword symbol as a status as second value at times too, which is similar to what you were describing but doesn't require pre-defined constant enumerations 23:12:21 also, are you counting only exported symbols or interned ones, too? 23:12:24 Xach: and of course, you have to compile each project on each target plateform, since with #+/#-, there may have significant differences in apropos results. 23:14:25 APIs that alter their external interface based on the platform they run on deserve to lose 23:14:31 (or rather, deserve bug reports) (: 23:14:47 Quadrescence [~quadbook@71-212-165-176.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:14:52 -!- Quadrescence [~quadbook@71-212-165-176.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:14:52 Quadrescence [~quadbook@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 23:15:39 -!- pavelludiq [~pavelludi@87.246.58.193] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16:17 austinh: often CL implementations of exceptions is efficient, and if the error conditions are less likely than success, an exception will avoid all the C-like status checking after every library function call, that's also to take in consideration 23:18:15 -!- housel` is now known as housel 23:18:30 phadthai: what is an exception? 23:18:40 a signal, a condition :) 23:18:51 ah, a condition :> 23:20:02 -!- tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:35 thanks, padthai 23:21:11 -!- tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 23:24:08 naiv [~quassel@AAnnecy-651-1-75-230.w86-209.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 23:25:03 am0c [~am0c@222.235.56.83] has joined #lisp 23:26:48 -!- pcavs [~Adium@63.139.127.6] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:28:30 How do I convert a list into I don't know what. I wrote a function (defun foo (&rest blist)), and I'd need to call it like that (foo (? alist)), I think I need a macro no ? 23:28:37 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:29:12 -!- oconnore [~Eric@75-150-66-254-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:29:17 No. 23:29:21 (defun ? (x) x) 23:29:28 pcavs [~Adium@63.139.127.6] has joined #lisp 23:30:12 > (? '(a b c)) => (a b c) 23:31:59 -!- Soulman1 [~knute@175.80-202-238.nextgentel.com] has left #lisp 23:32:04 > (+ 1 2) --> 3 23:33:49 -!- slickuser [~slickuser@66.225.1.132] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:34:14 tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:37:30 naiv: My crystal ball tells me you need apply. But it may be wrong. 23:38:48 I needed cons, I'm sorry. (foo (cons 'a '(b c d)) is evaluated? in (foo a b c d). I suck 23:39:48 HG` [~HG@p5DC0556F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 23:41:18 -!- HG`` [~HG@p5DC0556F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:41:57 Actually, (foo (cons 'a '(b c d)) is (foo '(a b c d)). 23:43:50 pjb: I don't have to do any such thing. 23:44:47 naiv: If you want (foo a b c d) given '(a b c d), you want (apply #'foo '(a b c d)). 23:44:54 -!- pcavs [~Adium@63.139.127.6] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:45:36 antoszka: let me try that 23:47:33 pcavs [~Adium@63.139.127.6] has joined #lisp 23:47:53 -!- ChibaPet [~mason@c-68-58-147-105.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:48:16 antoszka: hmm yup! 23:48:26 -!- pcavs [~Adium@63.139.127.6] has quit [Client Quit] 23:49:22 thank you (both 23:59:46 -!- tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]