00:00:59 or rather (not (macro-function symbol)) (not (special-operator-p symbol)) instead of FDEFINITION 00:03:12 heh only problem is there is a bit of lag between slime and emacs (like 0.5 to 1 second) so stepping is not as enjoyable as it could be 00:03:30 in edebug i can basically rapid-step and it mostly keeps up 00:03:42 -!- El_Diablo [~Aaron@adsl-68-88-193-53.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:05:02 1 second sounds like a lot 00:05:17 how do you display the source? 00:05:48 -!- nicdev_ [~nicdev@209-6-50-99.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: nicdev_] 00:06:03 press v 00:06:12 I have an slime hack that does it automatically 00:06:34 and hides the "restarts" by default, so its kind of like source-level debugger, except each step takes 1 sec 00:06:46 and after 3 steps ldb> maximum interrupt nesting depth (1024) exceeded 00:06:49 if the file is already open, it should be instantaneous 00:06:49 lol 00:08:30 no the lag is from you pressing s (sldb-step), then emacs signals to SBCL to select "STEP-INTO" restart, it executes the form, signals STEP-FORM-CONDITION from SBCL to emacs, emacs displays SLDB window, does synchronious (swank-rex) call to retreive stack, then displays source 00:08:38 whole process takes around 1 second 00:09:22 maybe it's just your computer 00:09:28 due to restarts/conditions being used for stepping, whole stack being re-read on every step.. This is where majority of lag comes from IMHO 00:09:53 nah, its quad 2.4g opterons, 16g ram...slime can be modified 00:09:53 *_3b* would suspect whatever is causing that LDB first 00:09:53 you can use ELP for profiling 00:10:19 to be smarter and not to re-request entire stack when doing a step 00:10:36 the number of cores and memory doesn't matter 00:10:52 yea I'm just playing with it.. somehow beign able to see arithmetic ops in the stepper made me all exited about it again 00:11:41 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:16:28 -!- corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 00:20:38 Joreji [~thomas@83-096.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 00:22:07 -!- kslt1 [~karl.sier@netblock-208-127-156-174.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:29:29 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:38:04 -!- srid [~srid@unaffiliated/srid] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:41:57 replore [~replore@ntkngw133234.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 00:42:40 pnkfelix [~Adium@pool-74-104-168-64.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:42:53 -!- timepilot [~timepilot@c-24-91-16-174.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: timepilot] 00:43:06 upwardindex [~upwardind@modemcable016.209-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 00:48:20 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA226C8.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:48:51 BountyX [~erhan@46.104.208.39] has joined #lisp 00:49:44 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.219.8] has quit [Quit: eventually IE will rot and die] 00:54:53 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: "Object-oriented design" is an oxymoron] 00:56:54 ISF [~ivan@187.106.54.41] has joined #lisp 00:57:03 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-74-67-199-254.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:04:51 -!- Joreji [~thomas@83-096.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:08:28 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@pool-74-104-168-64.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:12:38 RenJuan [~juan@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:13:41 -!- replore [~replore@ntkngw133234.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:17:52 -!- SegFaultAX [~mkbernard@VEROXITY.ipcolo1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:22:56 Evanescence [~chris@122.237.30.173] has joined #lisp 01:27:12 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-177-187.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:31:35 -!- sbalousek [~sbalouse@ip174-67-214-212.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:32:38 sbalousek [~sbalouse@ip174-67-214-212.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:34:09 serichse` [~user@hmbg-4d0688ef.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 01:36:21 -!- serichsen [~user@hmbg-5f764bb9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:40:09 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-6-95.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 01:41:45 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:42:45 pnq [~nick@ACA28B25.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 01:43:36 -!- littlebobby [~bob@unaffiliated/littlebobby] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 01:48:09 Mococa [~Mococa@187.58.183.236] has joined #lisp 01:52:41 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@187.58.183.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:03:20 leo2007 [~leo@58.22.114.138] has joined #lisp 02:05:29 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:08:43 -!- pearle [~pearle@2.112.215.24.scpe.seaside.ns.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:14:21 -!- Yuuhi` [benni@p5483CCFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:15:56 fortitudeZDY [~fortitude@123.103.66.136] has joined #lisp 02:20:26 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-177-187.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 02:22:35 -!- fortitudeZDY [~fortitude@123.103.66.136] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:23:01 fortitudeZDY [~fortitude@123.103.66.136] has joined #lisp 02:23:16 -!- fortitudeZDY [~fortitude@123.103.66.136] has quit [Client Quit] 02:23:36 fortitudeZDY [~fortitude@123.103.66.136] has joined #lisp 02:24:59 pnkfelix [~Adium@pool-74-104-168-64.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:28:13 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:37:29 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 02:38:54 is there a way in SBCL to say "free the memory for this particular [cons cell|structure instance]" to help out the GC? 02:39:08 no 02:39:19 I know it was mentioned before that you can create separate allocation contexts, but I'm looking right now at a point where I can easily say that for something that gets called a lot 02:39:38 to help the gc: just don't leave references to it 02:39:44 ie, temporary lists that are consed up purely as #'equal lookup keys 02:41:00 SBCL has a generational garbage collector, short-lived objects will be collected easily 02:41:02 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.230.76] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 02:41:42 yeah, I know that. I'm trying to find simple ways to lessen the frequency & duration of GC pauses 02:42:01 Make less garbage. 02:42:14 make less live data! 02:42:15 especially when they're occuring (according to (time)) when far less memory has been allocated than the nursery size 02:42:27 -!- BountyX [~erhan@46.104.208.39] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:45:09 genieliu [~genieliu@59.78.62.120] has joined #lisp 02:45:54 kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-36-179-251.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:58:18 mikewadhera [~mikewadhe@c-98-210-165-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:58:34 daniel [~daniel@p5082BF1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 02:58:59 can someone please help me understand this madness: 02:59:03 (and 'f 't) 02:59:03 T 02:59:31 mikewadhera: nope. Are you sure that's a common lisp? 03:00:11 -!- daniel_ [~daniel@p5B326F3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:00:30 mikewadhera: which madness are you talking about? 03:01:08 i don't know any lisp which has false as 'f 03:02:15 mikewadhera, maybe that's Qi? 03:02:22 or typed-racket? 03:02:59 weirdo: i would expect it to have #t and #f 03:03:09 hmm 03:04:51 sbcl 03:05:02 -!- cheier [~amedueces@c-76-107-19-58.hsd1.ms.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:05:19 mikewadhera: that madness is that you don't know Common Lisp 03:05:39 thats what I was hoping, can you enlighten me? 03:06:01 'f does not denote false boolean value 03:06:01 there is no false literal in clisp? 03:06:10 there is, it's called NIL 03:06:30 ah yes - nil 03:06:35 mikewadhera: clisp is an implementation of common lisp. 03:07:04 and nil and () are equal correct? 03:07:12 mikewadhera: correct 03:07:31 Rather, () and nil are both syntax for the same thing. 03:07:36 thanks 03:07:42 makes sense 03:09:07 (sorry if that question came off with any unattended arrogance, new lisper here :-) 03:10:29 -!- mikewadhera [~mikewadhe@c-98-210-165-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: mikewadhera] 03:15:48 -!- leo2007 [~leo@58.22.114.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:19:11 Zhivago: you again misled the newbie. nil is read as () only when *package* is NIL, and the readtable case is :upcase or :invert, and when #\( is the standard list reading reader macro, or when the programmer otherwise as set the things up so that they both read as the symbol CL:NIL. 03:19:41 and you confused the newbie 03:19:52 srid [~srid@S010678ca39ff0146.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 03:19:53 -!- srid [~srid@S010678ca39ff0146.vn.shawcable.net] has quit [Changing host] 03:19:53 srid [~srid@unaffiliated/srid] has joined #lisp 03:21:43 Good morning everyone! 03:26:44 -!- xxxyyy [~xyxu@222.68.153.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:27:27 tali713 [~tali713@c-75-72-220-197.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:27:49 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@pool-74-104-168-64.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:27:58 cheier [~amedueces@c-76-107-19-58.hsd1.ms.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:32:30 Vicfred [~Vicfred@189.228.23.138] has joined #lisp 03:34:46 pearle [~pearle@blk-224-181-222.eastlink.ca] has joined #lisp 03:36:10 ISF_ [~ivan@187.106.54.41] has joined #lisp 03:38:41 -!- ISF [~ivan@187.106.54.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:39:35 Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 03:43:45 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:54:32 nicdev_ [~nicdev@209-6-50-99.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 04:06:24 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:12:10 -!- cheier [~amedueces@c-76-107-19-58.hsd1.ms.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:14:31 -!- Amadiro_ [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:15:08 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 04:18:16 -!- ahriman [~ahriman@109.123.146.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:27:56 -!- upwardindex [~upwardind@modemcable016.209-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: upwardindex] 04:32:55 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: 4] 04:41:09 sacho [~sacho@90.154.219.54] has joined #lisp 04:42:51 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-74-67-199-254.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:47:43 -!- genieliu [~genieliu@59.78.62.120] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:49:23 paprika [~paprika@p2155-ipbf1015osakakita.osaka.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 04:52:13 Hun^60 [~Hunden@e180100104.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 04:52:41 Hun^06 [~Hunden@e180100104.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 04:53:27 hello.i want to convert an integer ASCII code into a proper CL character. actually i have an integer from Lispbuilder-SDL that represents a unicode character. but those <128 map onto ascii. I do use unicode-capable fonts with lispbuilder-sdl-ttf, but for now how can I just convert this? 04:53:31 i'm looking around 04:53:45 oh, code-char? 04:53:48 clhs code-char 04:53:48 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_code_c.htm 04:54:06 <_3b> many lisps use unicode code points for character codes, most use ascii for the range below 127 04:54:22 this Lisp, with its unintuitively named functions 04:54:41 (mapcar #'ql-dist:ensure-installed (ql:system-list)) ;; For when a lisper goes away from internet :) 04:55:32 -!- Hunden [~Hunden@e180102151.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:55:33 -!- Hun^60 is now known as Hunden 04:55:42 i'd love to be able to use the Unicode parts of the dejavu fonts that i include with my app 04:55:58 -!- Hundenn [~Hunden@e180102151.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:56:57 *_3b* would expect converting from characters to be something lispbuilder-sdl should deal with 05:02:10 Frozenlock [~Frozenloc@modemcable146.242-161-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 05:03:20 Is there a minimum lisp implementation for microncontroller? 05:04:15 depends on how micro the ucontroller is. 05:04:39 picolisp is pretty tiny & fast, but it's not common lisp 05:05:07 In this case I might choose the ucontoller in function of lisp, not the other way around :P 05:05:09 I think ecl is supposed to have a relatively small footprint 05:06:06 *Frozenlock* googling now 05:08:26 -!- pearle [~pearle@blk-224-181-222.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:15:33 -!- Vicfred [~Vicfred@189.228.23.138] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:17:46 -!- plage [~user@81-231-234-224-no56.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:19:32 <_3b> is it correct that sigalarm is handled by an arbitrary thread? (on linux if it matters) 05:19:55 According to pthreads, I believe so. 05:24:39 dto: cesarum has an ASCII package with functions to convert byte vectors of ascii codes into strings and vice versa. You can also use BABEL for full unicode. If you want to write conforming code, you will have to use them (you can test the current implementation and if you confirm it uses ASCII or Unicode for char-code/code-char, you mayuse it, but if not, you will have to use one such library). 05:25:17 pjb: thanks. right now it works but I'll be sure to change it 05:26:13 i'm going to switch machines. back soon 05:26:17 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:34:42 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-216-129.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 05:39:53 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 05:40:33 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 05:40:39 -!- srid [~srid@unaffiliated/srid] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 05:45:30 slyrus [~chatzilla@99-28-163-38.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:46:15 evening folks 05:47:12 -!- Evanescence [~chris@122.237.30.173] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 05:48:35 Evanescence [~chris@122.237.30.173] has joined #lisp 05:53:50 -!- z1l0g [jgw@sverige.sdf.org] has quit [Quit: That's it for today] 05:55:25 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:58:32 -!- srolls [~user@c-76-126-212-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:03:14 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:03:30 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-110-93.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:04:27 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@99-28-163-38.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:04:47 slyrus [~chatzilla@99-28-163-38.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:06:09 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-100-161.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 06:06:25 m4dnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 06:06:50 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:07:50 -!- weirdo [~sthalik@d135-185.icpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:10:14 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 06:10:23 weirdo [~sthalik@d135-185.icpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 06:10:39 cfy [~cfy@125.123.46.186] has joined #lisp 06:10:39 -!- cfy [~cfy@125.123.46.186] has quit [Changing host] 06:10:39 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 06:12:49 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has left #lisp 06:12:55 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 06:14:02 xxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.14.212] has joined #lisp 06:18:07 -!- syrinx_ [~syrinx_@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:19:02 syrinx_ [~syrinx_@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has joined #lisp 06:21:07 leo2007 [~leo@58.22.114.152] has joined #lisp 06:21:30 -!- ISF_ [~ivan@187.106.54.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:39:06 paprika_ [~paprika@p2155-ipbf1015osakakita.osaka.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 06:40:29 -!- paprika_ [~paprika@p2155-ipbf1015osakakita.osaka.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:41:06 paprika_ [~paprika@p2155-ipbf1015osakakita.osaka.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 06:41:10 -!- paprika [~paprika@p2155-ipbf1015osakakita.osaka.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:45:15 cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.130] has joined #lisp 06:51:07 paprika [~paprika@p2155-ipbf1015osakakita.osaka.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 06:54:17 -!- paprika_ [~paprika@p2155-ipbf1015osakakita.osaka.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:56:48 HG` [~HG@p5DC05C4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 06:59:09 -!- HG` [~HG@p5DC05C4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 07:01:21 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 07:01:55 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.119.222] has joined #lisp 07:06:30 z1l0g [jgw@sverige.sdf.org] has joined #lisp 07:06:39 Vicfred [~Vicfred@189.228.23.138] has joined #lisp 07:07:10 -!- z1l0g [jgw@sverige.sdf.org] has left #lisp 07:07:58 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA28B25.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:15:54 nha [~prefect@5-74.104-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 07:21:27 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has joined #lisp 07:21:29 -!- Vicfred [~Vicfred@189.228.23.138] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:28:35 ZabaQ [~john.conn@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 07:37:04 El_Diablo [~Aaron@adsl-68-88-193-53.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 07:42:03 Frozenlock: ECL and CCL run on arm - it's just the question of RAM and ROM available 07:42:35 Frozenlock: definitely not that micro, though. For a device that can stomach a more powerful SoC, yeah, they fit. 07:42:37 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.119.222] has quit [Quit: (save-lisp-and-die)] 07:43:13 Maybe on STM32 (or was ST32?) with big memory (64MB? maybe 32 for ECL) 07:43:20 anyway, afk, vacation time :) 07:46:46 -!- __class__ [~class@99-105-57-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:48:17 -!- nicdev_ [~nicdev@209-6-50-99.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: nicdev_] 07:56:00 insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-59-227.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 07:56:00 -!- insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-59-227.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Changing host] 07:56:00 insomnia1alt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has joined #lisp 07:59:21 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:59:21 -!- insomnia1alt is now known as insomniaSalt 08:00:22 beach [~user@81-231-234-224-no56.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 08:05:01 arideden [~chatzilla@cpc3-newt6-0-0-cust967.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 08:08:25 dacoda [~user@gate.cdc.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 08:08:41 -!- nha [~prefect@5-74.104-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:08:43 Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.230.76] has joined #lisp 08:09:00 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.230.76] has quit [Client Quit] 08:17:17 Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-13-92.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:19:27 -!- beach [~user@81-231-234-224-no56.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:21:36 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 08:23:07 *nikodemus* blinks rapidly 08:23:12 this is insane 08:23:21 $8k?! 08:25:10 -!- dacoda [~user@gate.cdc.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Quit: #asm] 08:33:36 woo good job ! 08:34:23 nikodemus: getting scared of the amount of work? 08:34:58 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-13-92.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:35:25 ghoffmann [~user@gate.cdc.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 08:35:33 -!- ghoffmann [~user@gate.cdc.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:36:00 dacoda [~user@gate.cdc.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 08:36:26 #lisp 08:36:40 -!- dacoda [~user@gate.cdc.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Client Quit] 08:39:00 m4dnificent: not as such, but hoping i can live up the what people expect 08:39:06 -!- m4dnificent is now known as madnificent 08:39:48 nikodemus: check sbcl's source and take a look at your commits: instant confidence boost 08:40:18 ok, quick poll: would you be more interested in SB-PORT (think acl-compat) or more threading related stuff? 08:40:57 gh1001 [~gh1001@clientssh2.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 08:41:00 Frozenlock: did you find anything in particular for the lisp & microcontroller? 08:41:23 -!- gh1001 [~gh1001@clientssh2.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Client Quit] 08:41:48 nikodemus: I only remember threading stuff for windows appearing on some linkedin threads. Those threads also included a request for a lisp which ran on arm (but i don't think sbcl would be the best option for that) 08:41:57 Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-13-92.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:43:33 neither windows nor arm is really in scope :) david, anton, and dmitry seem to have windows well in hand, and i'd need to scope out doing an arm port before offering it as a goal 08:45:35 oh, about threading there was some post about threaded allocation of space for variables as well, IIRC. 08:45:43 there's a lock in there now 08:45:57 nha [~prefect@5-74.104-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 08:46:08 besides that: I don't know much about what others would like and I'm quite happy at the moment 08:47:11 dacoda [~gh1001@clientssh2.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 08:48:21 -!- dacoda [~gh1001@clientssh2.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Client Quit] 08:49:40 tarmil [~user@catv-89-132-119-197.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 09:00:25 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: "Object-oriented design" is an oxymoron] 09:01:10 dacoda [~Gerhard@clientssh2.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 09:04:35 Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . 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At some point the world will notice how much a GBP is actually worth 13:04:09 lol 13:04:40 pnq [~nick@ACA21A2B.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 13:04:47 -!- pavelludiq [~pavelludi@87.246.58.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:05:13 vervic [~vervic@178-165-145-077.dyn.orange.at] has joined #lisp 13:05:33 -!- tsanhwa [~user@61.129.42.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:06:47 -!- lotr2 [~lotr2@195.20.194.140] has quit [Quit:     (xchat 2.4.5  )] 13:08:16 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 13:09:41 -!- xxxyyy [~xyxu@222.68.167.219] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:11:13 -!- drdo` is now known as drdo 13:11:32 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-6-95.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:12:18 Indecipherable_ [~IceChat7@41.29.26.17] has joined #lisp 13:13:28 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 13:13:36 urandom__ [~user@p548A4A08.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:13:37 -!- rfg [~rfg@dsl78-143-206-87.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:14:11 did anyone here enter the google ai contest? 13:14:36 current? 13:14:43 Yes 13:15:08 None of the 2 starter bots run on my Win machine 13:15:08 will Lisp be the winner again this year? 13:15:42 The guy who won it last year works for Franz 13:16:33 sellout! he used to work on SBCL 13:17:38 -!- Indecipherable_ [~IceChat7@41.29.26.17] has quit [Quit: Pull the pin and count to what?] 13:18:59 pavelludiq [~pavelludi@87.246.58.193] has joined #lisp 13:19:09 sellout works on CCL! 13:19:40 he uses an appropriate name 13:20:35 rfg [~rfg@dsl78-143-206-87.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:24:47 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA21A2B.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:25:38 upwardindex [~upwardind@modemcable016.209-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 13:26:20 pnq [~nick@ACA21A2B.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 13:31:31 ramusara_ [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 13:31:56 corni [~corni@node-cqqc8osv7xm40ku.camp.ccc.de] has joined #lisp 13:31:56 -!- corni [~corni@node-cqqc8osv7xm40ku.camp.ccc.de] has quit [Changing host] 13:31:56 corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has joined #lisp 13:35:03 hi 13:40:19 xxxyyy [~xyxu@222.68.167.219] has joined #lisp 13:42:12 mcstar [~mcstar@adsl-89-132-46-13.monradsl.monornet.hu] has joined #lisp 13:42:48 hey guys! 13:43:00 i will be a bit off topic 13:43:09 nooooo! 13:43:19 can somebody give me a brief comparison of c++ templates to lisp macros? 13:43:36 lisp macros are sane 13:44:00 i basically want to use them(if possible) to generate code, to use a bit of an abstraction 13:44:36 i know that lisp macros are better, what im interested in, is this possible at all with cpp templates? 13:45:31 in lisp, i could assemble what i want easily, i give arguments to a macro, it assebles to code, the way i want it 13:45:49 so can i do this in cpp? (im not interested in preprocessor macros) 13:46:56 -!- rfg [~rfg@dsl78-143-206-87.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:47:33 anyone? i dont need precise instructions on how to do it, but a confirmation if its possible or not 13:47:38 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@2.149.6.78.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:47:42 i will read up on it if it is 13:48:43 'morning 13:48:55 a'noon 13:49:03 hello Fade 13:49:45 nikodemus: I don't know how much this is 'do the work' and how much research, but the work on threads is going to underline the garbage collector. 13:49:50 heya, fe[nl]ix 13:52:42 -!- Evanescence [~chris@122.237.30.173] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 13:52:58 rfg [~rfg@dsl78-143-206-87.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:55:13 Fade: i'm not sure what you mean 13:55:33 well, improved threading support is going to foster more multiprocessing applications. 13:55:41 oh, sure 13:55:43 so 'stop the world' will get noticed more. 13:56:05 Indecipherable_ [~IceChat7@41.31.62.212] has joined #lisp 13:56:21 -!- xxxyyy [~xyxu@222.68.167.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:56:58 So.... ANyone managed to install the starter pack (google ai) if you joined? 13:57:13 Indecipherable_: I assume at least aerique has. :) 13:57:41 I mean 13:57:56 Did you manage to make it run locally 13:58:12 I haven't looked at the ants thing yet at all. 13:58:55 oh 13:59:05 Indecipherable_: there are over 200 participants already 13:59:16 and yes, we all managed 13:59:50 Mune works only online 14:00:05 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 14:00:06 back to my question: is this really soo off-topic that i cant deserve an answer? 14:00:30 What't the question 14:00:33 i know some guys here secretely program in cpp too 14:01:08 Indecipherable_: regarding cpp templates vs. lisp macros 14:01:13 lisp macros and C++ templates are different enough not to be usefully compared, imo 14:01:19 I'm going to learn ASM 14:01:21 -!- fortitudeZDY [~fortitude@123.103.66.136] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:02:47 http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?CeePlusPlusTemplatesCommonLispMacrosComparison 14:03:01 -!- Indecipherable_ [~IceChat7@41.31.62.212] has quit [Quit: Clap on! , Clap off! 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Now to write docs (and, eventually, make it work in SBCL, at least, instead of just CCL). 15:37:03 leo2007 [~leo@58.22.113.178] has joined #lisp 15:37:15 pchrist_ [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 15:38:33 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 15:39:40 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 15:39:41 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:39:58 -!- jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.3.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:41:45 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:42:52 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:43:41 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:44:41 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:44:51 -!- cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:44:57 cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has joined #lisp 15:45:13 -!- ocharles [u411@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vdxikswolgicmyvw] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:45:26 ocharles [u411@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tudexczfxxuksgvb] has joined #lisp 15:45:42 -!- hyko [~toby@my.unixuni.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:45:42 -!- Pepe_ [~ppjet@anderith.bouah.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:45:48 Pepe_ [~ppjet@anderith.bouah.net] has joined #lisp 15:46:41 jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.3.9] has joined #lisp 15:46:48 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 15:47:27 ISF_ [~ivan@187.106.54.41] has joined #lisp 15:47:54 hyko [~toby@my.unixuni.com] has joined #lisp 15:49:34 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:50:05 -!- barryfm [~barryfm@fl-71-2-133-215.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:53:05 what is it? 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I'm getting an error that i think means i forgot to do something... but i cna't find any info on what 17:00:40 (STRING-EQUAL ASDF-INSTALL::URL "http://" :END1 7) failed. 17:00:59 i followed notes on this page: http://common-lisp.net/project/asdf-install/tutorial/setup.html 17:01:08 have you considered using quicklisp instead? 17:01:09 lnostdal [~lnostdal@248.80-202-59.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 17:01:19 oh no not really but i guess i don't know the options either 17:02:59 quicklisp is more of a canned system, but it's less quirky than asdf-install 17:03:45 i see well i guess i could try it out, but i would like to know why my asdf-install isn't working 17:03:59 -!- pearle [~pearle@blk-224-181-222.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:04:02 since im trying to get a package from it 17:04:39 just forget about asdf-install 17:05:09 haha okay 17:05:34 macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h88-206-143-215.vokby.se] has joined #lisp 17:06:48 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:07:04 pnq [~nick@ACA32EAC.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 17:09:20 -!- nonduality [~alex@chello084114039189.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [] 17:10:07 asdf-install isn't maintained anymore, is it? 17:10:13 Fade, well, you could click on the link and find out. Lisplog is a blogging system. 17:10:20 YABS 17:11:23 What happened to cl-pro? Did it shut down? 17:13:23 oh i see 17:14:39 -!- mcstar [~mcstar@adsl-89-132-46-13.monradsl.monornet.hu] has left #lisp 17:14:46 hmm, then is clwiki still a good resource? im just starting out and have been browsing around 17:15:17 pnkfelix [~Adium@pool-74-104-168-64.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:17:09 by clwiki, you mean cliki 17:17:10 ? 17:18:14 yea sorry cliki 17:18:25 add^_^ [~add^_^@h145n1c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 17:19:21 yes, cliki is ok 17:19:41 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@h145n1c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:19:41 -!- add^_^ is now known as add^_ 17:19:55 do you have a recommended resource for looking for packages? 17:20:11 Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-43-157.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 17:20:12 quicklisp maybe 17:20:16 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 17:20:27 -!- sacho [~sacho@90.154.219.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:21:11 (ql:system-apropos substring) 17:21:22 or common-lisp.net 17:22:11 okay cool thanks 17:22:58 -!- paprika [~paprika@p2155-ipbf1015osakakita.osaka.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22:59 -!- ymas [~ymas@unaffiliated/ymas] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:23:51 well thanks for thelp 17:23:54 stuff is installing 17:24:49 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@h145n1c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:25:00 add^_ [~add^_^@h145n1c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 17:26:09 Joreji [~thomas@83-096.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 17:26:10 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-184-104.vologda.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:29:10 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-43-157.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:31:41 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@pool-74-104-168-64.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:34:07 zenbalrog_ [~chatzilla@adsl-98-86-71-106.tys.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 17:35:08 dabd [~dabd@a79-169-214-13.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 17:35:46 cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.130] has joined #lisp 17:36:09 -!- zenbalrog [~chatzilla@adsl-98-70-123-157.tys.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:36:17 -!- zenbalrog_ is now known as zenbalrog 17:37:45 nicdev_ [~nicdev@209-6-50-99.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 17:42:33 -!- Vivitron [~user@pool-71-174-61-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:48:14 -!- leo2007 [~leo@58.22.113.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:48:46 paprika [~paprika@p2155-ipbf1015osakakita.osaka.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 17:53:58 -!- nipra [~nipra@122.170.33.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:55:25 -!- paprika [~paprika@p2155-ipbf1015osakakita.osaka.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:58:26 -!- corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:00:04 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@h145n1c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Quit: add^_] 18:07:14 leo2007 [~leo@58.22.113.178] has joined #lisp 18:09:31 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:09:49 pnkfelix [~Adium@pool-74-104-168-64.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:09:57 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@pool-74-104-168-64.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:10:11 -!- Jubb [~ghost@68.34.79.50] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12:40 corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has joined #lisp 18:17:21 -!- zeroish [~zeroish@135.207.174.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:21:46 -!- BrianRice [~water@174-21-120-48.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: BrianRice] 18:27:37 -!- corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:28:38 mstevens [~mstevens@ceres.etla.org] has joined #lisp 18:28:38 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@ceres.etla.org] has quit [Changing host] 18:28:38 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 18:29:59 corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has joined #lisp 18:30:08 I've always wondered why authors of CL DSLs often name write their macros def- (as opposed to some less lispy prefix or no prefix at all). TIL that apparently etags --language=lisp finds pretty much anything "def-" or "(pkg:def-" at BOL. 18:30:09 18:30:46 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA32EAC.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:35:25 -!- corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:35:40 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl12-41-148.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 18:35:56 hello 18:36:47 ISF [~ivan@187.106.54.41] has joined #lisp 18:38:27 -!- leo2007 [~leo@58.22.113.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:38:36 -!- ISF_ [~ivan@187.106.54.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:39:31 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@248.80-202-59.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:39:34 mon_key: it shouldbe def or define-. 18:40:45 mon_key: for "lisp extensions", depending on what the macro does, indeed, there are some conventional prefixes such as "def" or "define-", "with-", "do-". "make" would be a function prefix. 18:41:16 pjb: how did you know i had "make" in mind? :) 18:41:23 mon_key: but of course, those conventions are to be used only when applicable. If you have a domain language, you would use the domain lexicon. 18:41:37 mon_key: defpackage vs. make-package. 18:42:10 Is there a common cause for an error of this kind http://paste.lisp.org/display/124019 ? 18:42:44 Kenjin: you gave an object of a bad type to some function. 18:42:49 pjb: w/r/t the domain lexicon hence my conundrum. I would think that more DSL's would use other than "def-" if only to distinguish the lispy from DSL 18:42:58 it wanted either nil or a string, and you gave 33. 18:43:04 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-179-39.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:43:37 or maybe it wants a null terminated string 18:43:38 mon_key: that said, in all formal domain language, you can "define" things. This is kind of a universal declarative operator. 18:44:20 mon_key: no, it wanted a NULL (there's only one, it's nil) or a string: 33 fell through ETYPECASE expression. Wanted one of (STRING NULL). 18:44:37 pjb: oh, I see. 18:44:45 pjb: its calling into foreign 18:44:49 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-184-104.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 18:45:55 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:46:06 *sykopomp* wonders if the database is called 33. 18:46:54 sykopomp: its not :P 18:47:04 Kenjin: what is your encoding? 18:47:26 corni [~corni@node-i7l.camp.ccc.de] has joined #lisp 18:47:26 -!- corni [~corni@node-i7l.camp.ccc.de] has quit [Changing host] 18:47:26 corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has joined #lisp 18:47:44 slash_ [~Unknown@mnch-4d0444cc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 18:47:46 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-179-39.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:48:09 Just pass "33" instead of 33 ! What's complicated in passing a string when a string is wanted??? 18:48:39 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 18:48:39 BrianRice [~water@174-21-120-48.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:49:40 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-179-39.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:50:03 I'm calling "(list-databases '("ken3" "" "") :database-type :odbc)" 18:50:49 Kenjin: well check the doc of list-databases, but it probably wants something like (list-databases '(("ken3") "" "") :database-type :odbc) 18:51:22 Kenjin: sometimes library authors defer type checking to lower level functions. This is not agreable to the user of the library... 18:51:31 -!- katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:51:58 what are the 1 and 2 elements of that list? 18:52:17 pjb: I'm using the correct connection-spec according to the manual 18:52:22 -!- rfg [~rfg@dsl78-143-206-87.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has quit [Quit: rfg] 18:52:35 http://clsql.b9.com/manual/odbc.html#idp15001472 18:52:39 Kenjin: then there must be a bug. Trace the call graph, and see what happens. 18:53:12 rosario [~rosario@fsf/member/rosario] has joined #lisp 18:53:27 pjb: will do. thanks 18:55:11 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-179-39.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:55:50 katesmith [~katesmith@97-89-229-3.static.snfr.nc.charter.com] has joined #lisp 18:55:50 -!- katesmith [~katesmith@97-89-229-3.static.snfr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 18:55:50 katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has joined #lisp 18:56:59 Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-43-157.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 19:01:51 -!- pavelludiq [~pavelludi@87.246.58.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:02:08 mon_key: notice that in scheme, there's a single define operator, used for everything. It always binds a name to a value, in the same name space. In CL, there are several name spaces, so we have different defining operators: defvar, defun, defclass, deftype, etc. Additionnal objects can be named in additionnal namespaces. (defcolor blue 0 0 255) blue --> unbound variable ; (color blue) --> # 19:02:52 mon_key: but conceivably, if you design your DSL to have a single name, you can define a DEFINE operator, and do things like in scheme. 19:03:15 And even when there aren't -- such as let, let*, flet, labels, etc. :) 19:04:12 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-43-157.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:04:36 Indeed. In general you will have operators to instanciate objects, so you could also be more lispy and just use (defvar *blue* (color 0 0 255)). 19:05:04 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-79-179-204-64.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:05:49 pjb: not necessarily what i am getting at. Why in a DSL define a defcolor procedure (macro, function, labels, flet, etc.) when make-color-construction or construct-clolor may indicate more clearly that the the procedure is targeted for domain. 19:06:42 convention. define or a def* operator associates a name with a new object. A make-* function instanciates a new object. 19:07:21 pnq [~nick@AC812661.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 19:07:35 define or a def* operator also instantiate new objects :) 19:07:43 mon_key: there are different kinds of DSL. I'm speaking for embedded DSL, which are usable smoothly in lisp programs. 19:08:06 mon_key: for a meta-linguistic DSL, which would be entirely separate from Lisp, anything could go. 19:08:37 mon_key: yes, but the important distinction between a def and a make, is that the def defines a new name. 19:08:45 while the make makes a new object. 19:09:33 -!- vervic [~vervic@178-165-145-077.dyn.orange.at] has quit [Quit: vervic] 19:10:20 Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-187-250.w2-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 19:10:50 ISF_ [~ivan@187.106.54.41] has joined #lisp 19:13:11 -!- hugod [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279441813.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: hugod] 19:13:41 -!- ISF [~ivan@187.106.54.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:13:56 pavelludiq [~pavelludi@87.246.58.193] has joined #lisp 19:14:51 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-209-224-179.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:17:01 pjb: OK. I see your point. I guess the conventions are more than just convention though -- in so much as the range of reasonable words for describing define/make operations is rather limited, e.g. magically-associate-name-in-spellbook and frobnicate-from-thin-air are certainly no better than def*/make* :) 19:20:08 Indecipherable_ [~IceChat7@41.29.86.152] has joined #lisp 19:20:37 I think Ill have to migrate to python 19:20:43 for the ai contest 19:26:44 -!- rosario [~rosario@fsf/member/rosario] has quit [Quit: Bye.] 19:29:21 Good idea, it is a very high-quality CL compiler. 19:30:17 joshe: apparently it runs circles around some byte-coded languages :) 19:30:25 dmiles [~dmiles@dsl-216-155-215-126.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 19:32:01 -!- Joreji [~thomas@83-096.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:32:04 I'm frustrated 19:32:29 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-48-076.cascadeaccess.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:33:05 Davidbrcz_ [~david@ANantes-151-1-187-250.w2-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 19:33:49 ZabaQ [~john.conn@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 19:33:50 dlila [~dlila@CPE0014d1c9243c-CM001bd71cede2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 19:36:26 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-187-250.w2-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:36:26 oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-218-0-98.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 19:38:14 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-74-67-199-254.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:39:59 -!- macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h88-206-143-215.vokby.se] has left #lisp 19:45:05 -!- davazp [~user@238.Red-88-18-3.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:48 Joreji [~thomas@83-096.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 19:53:17 Kryztof [~user@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #lisp 19:57:51 rfg [~rfg@dsl78-143-206-87.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:01:43 -!- Davidbrcz_ [~david@ANantes-151-1-187-250.w2-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:01:48 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 20:02:19 -!- replore [~replore@ntkngw133234.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:20 pearle [~pearle@blk-224-181-222.eastlink.ca] has joined #lisp 20:02:40 dnolen [~davidnole@pool-68-161-130-48.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:05:18 Davidbrcz_ [~david@ANantes-151-1-212-220.w2-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 20:06:31 macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h88-206-143-215.vokby.se] has joined #lisp 20:06:55 -!- EarlGray [~dmytrish@inherent.puzzler.volia.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16:42 -!- Indecipherable_ [~IceChat7@41.29.86.152] has quit [Quit: Don't push the red button!] 20:21:25 -!- macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h88-206-143-215.vokby.se] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 20:22:01 lnostdal [~lnostdal@248.80-202-59.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 20:23:30 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@111-240-166-189.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:25:10 s0ber_ [~s0ber@111-240-172-99.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:25:14 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 20:26:35 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@248.80-202-59.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 259 seconds] 20:26:57 PuffTheMagic [~PuffTheMa@unaffiliated/puffthemagic] has joined #lisp 20:27:05 -!- PuffTheMagic [~PuffTheMa@unaffiliated/puffthemagic] has left #lisp 20:28:41 -!- upwardindex [~upwardind@modemcable016.209-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: upwardindex] 20:29:57 upwardindex [~upwardind@modemcable016.209-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 20:31:11 -!- dabd [~dabd@a79-169-214-13.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:32:15 rosario [~rosario@p4FCDDBB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:32:15 -!- rosario [~rosario@p4FCDDBB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:32:15 rosario [~rosario@fsf/member/rosario] has joined #lisp 20:32:54 -!- upwardindex [~upwardind@modemcable016.209-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 20:34:13 -!- ZabaQ [~john.conn@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:35:37 -!- ISF_ is now known as ISF 20:36:24 Hi, is there any obvious reason why the second functions should be slower than the first one? http://paste.lisp.org/display/124022 20:36:42 *function 20:36:54 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@pool-68-161-130-48.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 20:39:28 because it has bad indentation 20:39:36 sorry for that 20:39:36 lnostdal [~lnostdal@248.80-202-59.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 20:40:21 -!- Davidbrcz_ [~david@ANantes-151-1-212-220.w2-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:40:31 that was my fault (copy-and-pasting from one emacs buffer to another and doing it wrong... ) 20:40:47 Davidbrcz_ [~david@ANantes-151-1-230-95.w90-54.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 20:41:40 in any case, you should use bit-vectors for the sieve 20:43:58 true but it still doesn't explain why using somewhat "more lispy" macros (i. e. not loop) make it almost 10 times slower... (5 to 6 seconds vs. 50 on the same machine) 20:44:15 *makes 20:46:16 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:46:36 they run the same here 20:46:45 blame your compiler 20:47:33 thank you for testing 20:47:53 what implementation are you using? 20:48:00 SBCL 20:48:13 on which platform? 20:48:20 Debian GNU/Linux 20:48:39 which cpu architecture? 20:48:54 sorry, amd64 20:49:21 so, are you sure that you're measuring the right functions? 20:49:39 because SBCL on x86_64 here produces the same reuslts 20:51:13 oh, that's strange, time tells me 7 seconds of real time... wondering what he's doing the rest of the time 20:52:26 they both take about 1.5 seconds here, with sieve-2 being slightly faster 20:53:18 are you sure that you don't have old definitions being invoked? 20:54:13 I am, I restarted slime and compiled the current version again, too. 20:54:55 oh 20:56:15 I used the load function on the compiled version and that's the problem but why? 20:56:51 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-218-0-98.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:57:15 rosario: see http://paste.lisp.org/display/124022/1 the code generated by clisp compiler is almost identical. 20:57:24 In the loops it's the same. 20:57:28 and a version using bit-vectors takes 0.150 seconds, 10 times faster 20:57:54 thanks pjb 20:57:56 thanks stassats 20:58:17 (ql:quickload :com.informatimago.common-lisp.arithmetic) (com.informatimago.common-lisp.arithmetic.PRIMES:COMPUTE-PRIMES-TO n) 20:59:53 So what's the reasons loading the file with load causes time to print such a strange result here (meaning 47 seconds doing... nothing?!) 20:59:57 *reason 21:00:17 you're loading something else 21:01:11 rosario: loading a source file doesn't (necessarily) compile it. 21:01:26 pjb: I loaded a compiled version. 21:01:27 (load (compile-file "source.lisp")) 21:01:30 ok. 21:01:44 rosario: when did you compile it? 21:02:14 just now 21:02:17 trying again... 21:02:55 do you have some else heave computation running along the side? 21:03:42 No and now it's working -- but what the hack was that? I didn't change anything except for the indentation. 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23:58:51 Anyone read 'Common Lisp' by Steele?